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have
a
regulation
on
the
okay,
all
right,
we'll
we'll
talk
about
the
regulation
later,
so
that
what
that
all
said,
madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
B
A
E
A
Those
opposed
motion
carries
the
minutes
are
approved.
We
have
a
fairly
lengthy
agenda
today,
so
we'll
get
right
to
it.
First,
up
this
morning,
secretary,
jim
gray,
transportation,
cabinet
secretary
gray,
are
you
with
us.
H
Good
morning,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
me
to
join
with
you
all
today.
I
believe
what
I
was
asked
to
talk
about
today
is
the
is
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
act.
That's
the
iija
and
the
best.
The
best
way
to
start
this
out,
mr
chairman,
is
to
say,
as
you
and
I
have
talked
several
times,
is
that
that
this
is
still
about
speculation.
H
You'd
ask
me
to
talk
about
what
we
imagine
our
potential
revenues
might
be
and
how
that
might
impact
us
and
that's
what
I'm
gonna
do.
H
There's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
how
much
this
this
legislation
this
bill
might
represent
to
kentucky,
and
let
me
let
me
start
by
saying
that
what
we
have
to
do
is
look
at
what
we've
been
receiving
from
the
federal
government
in
terms
of
from
federal
highways
in
terms
of
our
revenues
annually.
H
That
number
annually
has
been
roughly
on
an
average
700
740
million
dollars.
In
the
last
year
we
received
780
million.
H
So
you
can
see
that
that
the
difference
between
3.9
and
4.6,
roughly
700
million
dollars-
and
that
would
represent
the
new
money
that
we
would
actually
be
receiving
over
the
next
five
years.
You
translate
that
then,
into
annual
annual
numbers
represents
about
135
million
dollars
a
year
in
actual
new
money
that
would
be
coming
into
the
state.
H
Now
you
compare
that
to
the
current
total
revenues
from
the
the
revenues
from
the
the
gas
tax
and
vehicle
sales
and
usage.
That's
roughly
1.6
billion
a
year
that
well
that's
been
1.6
billion
this
year
in
fiscal
21,
end
of
fiscal
21..
H
H
And
it's
not
such
an
enormous
number
that
it
satisfies
the
needs
that
we
have
the
pent
up,
demand
that
we
have
for
maintenance,
for
example,
that
many
of
you
all
on
this
committee
know
about,
because
you
hear
about
it
and
you've
talked
with
me
about
your
needs.
H
H
So
bear
in
mind
on
the
the
bridge
projects
of
regional
significance
we
have
to.
We
have
to
compete
for
that
money.
We
have
to
compete
just
like
we've
competed
for
infra
grants,
build
grants
before
that
tiger,
and
today
it's
called
the
today.
It's
the
raise
grants
before
in
the
trump
administration
was
called
build
grants
before
that
and
the
obama
administration
was
called
tiger
grants.
So
the
point
is
that
we
will
still
have
to
compete
for
a
project
like
the
companion
bridge
for
the
brent
spence.
H
I
mentioned
the
raise
program
formerly
build,
formerly
tiger,
that's
seven
and
a
half
billion
dollars
for
surface
transportation,
projects
of
local
and
regional
significance
and
3.2
billion
for
infra
grants
to
support
highway
and
rail
projects
deemed
regionally
and
nationals
nationally
significant
now
think
about
the
infra
grant.
We
got
for
the
mountain
parkway,
and
that
was
that
was
a
project
that
was
an
infra
grant
that
we
received
just
last
year
that
supported
the
current
project.
H
The
current
construction
of
the
mountain
parkway
now
also
bear
in
mind,
and
mr
chairman,
I
know
that
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
and
and
and
chairman
santoro
and
chairman
of
church
as
well.
H
We've
talked
about
the
need
for
our
state
matching
funds
of
about,
so
we've
projected
that
we'll
still
need
to
come
up
with
20
percent
on
those
state
matching
price.
We
don't
know
what
in
with
the
competitive
grants,
we
don't
know
yet
what
that
matching
number
might
need
to
be
in
order
to
to
win
those
grants,
it's
been
as
much
as
40
percent
in
the
past.
So,
in
order
to
get
in
order
to
compete,
we
may
have
to
dial
that
number
up
is
what
I'm
get.
What
I'm
trying
to
say.
H
So
everything
to
this
point,
what
I
said
earlier
when
I
started
out
of
the
gate
is
speculation.
It's
all
speculation,
we're
doing
our
best
to
back
into
what
those
numbers
might
be
once
that
they
were
once
they
were
released
in
its
current
form
and
despite
what
we
may
be
hearing-
and
I've
already
said
this
too-
that
it's
no
panacea.
H
It
would
not
replace
funding,
that's
being
lost
through
motor
vehicles,
the
motor
fuels
tax
and
I'll
dial
into
that
quickly.
To
say
that
we
are
up
just
nominally
for
2021
in
our
motor
fuels
tax.
That
number
went
from
741
million
to
748
million
and
that's
in
the
budgeted
the
budgeted
numbers
for
our
motor
fuels
tax.
H
So
all
of
this
comes
back
to,
as
I
said
earlier,
I
I
don't
want
to
wear
it
out,
but
as
good
as
it
might
be,
this
is
still
no
panacea.
H
We'll
tell
you
a
little
story,
mr
chairman,
that
I
was
at
what's
called
the
masto
meeting,
which
is
midwestern
states,
the
association
of
midwestern
state,
highway
and
transportation
officials
about
two
weeks
ago
in
chicago,
and
I
was
with
my
counterparts
in
other
states
that
surround
us,
and
I
felt
a
little
bit
like
I
was
being
picked
on
because
they
were
all
bragging
about
the
new
revenues
that
they'd
gotten
when
they've
raised
their
they've
adjusted
their
revenue
models,
which
is
something
that
I
know.
H
Many
of
you
all
have
talked
about
and
and
many
have
been
interested
in
and
actually
supported.
A
Mr
secretary,
we
hear
a
lot
about
inflation
and-
and
we
see
monthly
figures
on
consumer
price
index,
what
what
are
you
seeing
in
the
construction,
construction
and
road
building
industry?
As
far
as
inflation.
H
Well,
it's
very.
It's
really
unpredictable
right
now.
We've
seen
across
the
board
commodity
prices
really
rising
steel
prices,
concrete
prices,
wood
prices,
then
they've
settled
down
some.
So
it's
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
it's
highly
unpredictable.
It
has,
of
course,
affected
us
on
our
on
our
bids
and
on
our
contracts.
H
I've
seen
in
the
in
the
commercial
building
sector
in
the
what
in
the
transportation
world
they
describe
it
as
the
vertical
sector
of
the
construction
economy
in
that
sector,
some
projects
are
have
increased
as
much
as
30
percent.
We
have
seen
some
of
our
estimates
that
have
that
have
been.
Some
of
our
estimates
have
been
lower
than
the
bids
that
have
actually
come
in,
but
let
me
get
back
to
you
on
a
very
I
can
give
you
a
more
detailed
analysis
on
that.
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
do
that.
A
Thank
you,
mr
secretary,
we
have
representative
thomas,
has
a
question.
E
Thank
you
for
being
here,
secretary
gray,
it's
always
good
to
hear
from
you
down
on
the
I-69
bridge
there,
I'm
hearing
that
indiana
might
go
ahead
and
and
start
construction
on
the
roadway
that
would
lead
up
to
the
bridge
starting
towards
the
river.
Is
there
any
talk
that
we
might
try
to
do
the
same
thing?
So
during
the
when
it
we
federally
asked
for
the
bridge
and
that
big
chunk
of
money
that
we
might
actually
have
the
it
stubbed
up
towards
the
river.
H
Well,
we're
we're
actually
working
as
you
might,
as
you
may
know,
senator
we're
actually
moving
right
on
schedule
for
a
leading
in
november
of
the
roughly
eight
mile
section
that
will
come
up
to
the
that
will
be
an
approach
section
and
that
project
is
going
to
be
led
on
a
design
build
basis.
H
Three
contractors
have
been
pre-qualified
contractor
teams
and
arc,
and
engineering
teams
have
already
been
pre-qualified
and
the
estimate
for
that
project.
I
believe,
don't
hold
me
to
this,
but
well
I
I'm
we
budgeted
in
your
last
the
last
edition
of
the
road
plan,
the
highway
plan.
I
believe
it
was
180
million
dollars
so
that
work
on
the
kentucky
side
is
is
underway.
E
H
Very
strong
commitment
so
you're
seeing
the
two
states
working
together,
which
I've
I've
seen
in
a
short
time.
I've
been
in
this
role
that
that's
always
good.
When
you've
got
a
bridge
project,
the
two
states
are
working
together,
just
like
we're
working
together
on
the
on
the
brent
spence
with
ohio.
H
There's
good,
been
good
progress
made
in
the
early,
the
environmental
work,
that's
underway,
and
the
analysis
work.
That's
underway
for
the
brent
spence,
companion,
bridge.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
that
is
a
perfect
in
to
these
questions.
Secretary
gray,
thank
you
for
being
here,
and
I
know
that
the
brent
spence
companion
bridge
will
be
a
big
part
of
discussions
for
the
upcoming
years,
and
some
of
the
things
that
we
just
talked
about
with
the
cooperation
of
other
states
will
be
really
important
with
this
bridge.
So
a
couple
questions
as
far
as
the
the
infrastructure
act
that
still
needs
to
pass
the
house
and
has
that
consideration?
I
Do
you
know
who
will
be
submitting
the
grant?
Is
it
solely
one
state
that
submits
the
grant
and
related
to
that
question?
H
Okay,
mr
representative,
I
think
your
quote.
Your
first
question
was:
do
both
states
propose
for
the
grant?
Although
we
don't
have
the
specifics?
Historically,
that's
been
the
approach.
H
So,
let's
and
the
historically
the
approach
for
a
grant
project
like
this
would
be
that
that
the
two
states
would
cooperate,
cooperate
and
and
and
make
the
proposal.
I
All
right,
yes,
and
the
second
part
of
that
that
question
had
to
do
with
the
contribution
level
is
the
contribution
level
for
both
states.
Typically,
the
same.
H
You
know
it's,
it
can
be
a
50
50.
It
can
be
a
60
40..
In
this
case.
I
my
unders,
I'm
not
real
sure
on
this
representative
wheatley,
but
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
where
we
are
with
with
that
percentage.
With
those
ratios.
I
As
you're
probably
are
aware,
secretary
gray
in
in
my
district
there's
concern
about
the
footprint
of
the
current
plan
and
I'm
checking
in
to
see
if
there
has
been
any
reworking
of
a
plan,
any
other
additional
work
being
done
to
to
at
least
re
re-examine
that
footprint
and
how
it
could
affect
specifically
covington.
H
Yes,
sir,
and
the
answer
to
that
is
a
positive
and
affirmative.
I
know
we've
been
work,
we've
had
conversations
with
you,
representative,
wheatley,
also
with
mayor
meyer
and
others
in
the
covington
area,
and
the
work
that's
underway
today
is
examining
the
traffic
through
traffic
analysis
and
traffic
study
and
and
is
flexible.
H
The
engineering
team
has
made
it
very
clear
and
ohio
has
made
it
clear.
Kentucky's
made
it
clear
that
we
need
to
be
flexible
to
new
inputs,
which
would
in
in
a
hypothetical
situation.
Let's
say
that
the
traffic
study
suggests
that
some
adjustments
can
be
made.
That
would
reduce
the
footprint
of
the
bridge.
Then
we
are
both
ohio
and
kentucky
are
open
to
that.
I
Okay,
great
great,
to
hear
just
encouraging
the
perhaps
new
plan
to
be
prepared,
I
guess
as
quickly
as
possible,
so
we
are
ready
when
the
grant
opportunity
is
coming.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
H
You
that
work,
that
contract
was
just
recently
executed,
in
fact
with
by
ohio
who's
the
lead
in
the
project,
with
an
engineering
firm.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good
hearing
from
you
secretary
gray.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
number
one
we've
been
pretty
successful
in
the
past
on
these
build
grants,
mostly
we've
been
coming
up
with
a
20
match
or
something
lately,
I'm
understanding
that
we're
not
being
successful
in
the
raise
grants
because
of
our
match.
Could
you
elaborate
anything
on
that.
H
H
Then
it
makes
it
that
much
more
difficult,
of
course,
for
us
to
compete
and
that's
the
hazard
that
we
would
have.
That's
that's
the
competitive
hazard
and
caution
that
I
would
issue
as
it
relates
to
any
of
these
competitive
grants.
I'm
I'm
I'm
personally,
just
like
you
and
anxious
about
how
much
we
can
actually
contribute,
as
it
relates
to
or
vis-a-vis
other
states
who
have
more
revenues
from
their
state
side.
B
Thank
you
just
one
more
and
on
these
mega
projects,
which
is
the
I-69,
the
I-75
two
big
bridges
we're
going
to
be
in
competition
with
the
other
states
as
the
way
I
understand
it,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
lot
of
local
match.
Also
in
the
event,
if
we
want
to
be
successful
on
these.
H
Now
all
the
details,
all
the
details,
chairman
santora,
have
not
been
worked
out.
You
know
that's
that's
still
in
the
in
the
in
the
process,
but
we
we
have
no
reason
to
imagine
that
these
grants
would
have
any
other
requirements
than
the
previous
grants
have.
In
other
words,
state
match
will
be
required.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
secretary
gray,
good
to
hear
from
you.
As
always,
I
had
a
quick
question
here.
Obviously,
127
is
a
critical
road
for
my
area
and
getting
that
project
completed.
You
were
talking
about
some
of
the
bridge
projects
and
the
bridge
funding
in
the
infrastructure
act.
My
recollection
is
that
I
don't
believe
any
of
the
bridge
projects
in
the
127
are
over
that
100
million
dollar
threshold
there's
multiple
bridges,
but
I
don't
know
if
any
one
particular
is
over
100
million.
F
Do
you
know
my
understanding
is
that
there
could
be
that
that
project
is
seeking
some
some
potential
federal
funding?
Do
you
know
which
grant
that
is
coming
from,
and
also,
I
guess.
The
second
question
is
if
the
infrastructure
act
is
not
passed
federally,
what
are
the
implications
to
that
127
project?
If,
if
that
is
not
passed,.
H
Representative
branson
good
question,
thank
you
and
you
and
I
have
had
conversations
about
the
127
corridor,
the
project,
and
it
is
today
we
are
applying
for
a
raise
grant
for
the
127
project.
That
gives
us
a
better
leverage,
of
course,
a
better
opportunity
to
leverage
our
funds
and
that
project
is
scheduled.
Now
you
know,
based
upon
our
application
for
raise
funding
and
federalizing
more
of
the
funding
through
that
that's
project
is
scheduled
for
a
letting
in
the
spring
of
2022.
H
A
Mr
secretary,
thank
you,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
your
accessibility
and
and
all
your
staff's
accessibility
here
in
frankfort
anytime.
We
have
a
question
there,
always
there
to
take
care
of
it,
and,
and
the
district
offices
are
have
been
very
good
to
work
with,
and
we
appreciate
want
to
pass
that
along
our
appreciation
for
that.
A
H
A
We
do
have
it
another
question:
representative,
wheeler,
senator
wheeler,
I'm
sorry,
senator
williams,.
B
Secretary
gray,
to
what
extent,
if,
if
we
were
to
enact
a
proposal
similar
to
what
was
proposed
in
last
session
on
the
motor
vehicle
fuels
tax?
To
what
extent
would
that
bring
additional
monies
down
to
local
levels
like
county
governments?.
H
Well,
senator,
as
you
know
that
our
revenue
sharing
model
is
very
specific
and
it
it
would,
it
would
take
that
number
just
under
50
percent
right
into
the
right
into
the
coffers
of
our
local
local
counties
and
cities
and
towns.
H
So
it
would
have
a
substantial
lift,
which
is,
I
think
why
so
many
county
officials
and
local
officials
have
supported
an
adjustment,
an
improvement
in
our
in
our
revenues
because
they're
the
ones
you
know
I
have
the
routinely.
I
get.
I
counted
that
I
had
five
meetings
last
week
with
county
officials
who
were
needing
help
through
the
the
only
the
funding
that
they
were
looking
for
was
discretionary
funding,
because
these
these
particular
ones
had
so
much
they
had
roads
in
the
9
and
10
distress.
Category
so
answer
to
that
is
it.
H
A
H
For
being
with
us,
I
want
to
stay
on
with
for
jason's
presentation.
A
Okay,
next
up
jason
zuala,
but
the
kentucky
transportation
cabinet
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
highway
safety,
jason.
D
Thank
you
so
much
co-chair
higdon
and
co-chair
of
church
and
members
of
the
committee
for
having
us
today,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
share
a
few
slides.
I
know
that
I
know
that
these
were
distributed
ahead
of
the
meeting
here
today
and
so
just
can
a
share.
Can
everybody
see
those
as
well.
D
All
right,
thank
you,
sir.
Just
want
to
give
a
plug
before
I
get
started
here.
Please
don't
participate
and
drive
we're
getting
ready
to
talk
about
highway
safety
and
distraction
is
obviously
one
of
the
big
challenges
out
there
on
the
roadway
as
far
as
driver
behavior,
and
so
we
just
ask
you
to
not
do
that
if,
if
you're
with
us
this
morning
and
in
the
materials
that
you
were
given
for
this
meeting,
this
slide
was
in
there
with
statistical
information
accurate.
D
As
of
about
the
beginning
of
this
month,
I
wanted
to
share
just
a
couple
things
before
we
move
on
here.
You
know
we
continue
to
see
here
in
kentucky
over
50
percent
of
those
who
are
killed
in
crashes,
that
are
vehicle
occupants
being
unrestrained
or
improperly
restrained,
and
you
know,
obviously
that's
a
a
really
simple
thing
that
we
can
all
do.
Is
we
get
into
our
vehicle
every
day
as
we're
traveling
to
and
from
wherever
we're
going?
D
Make
sure
that
we
are
not
only
you
know,
buckled
in
as
our
as
drivers,
but
making
sure
that
all
of
our
all
of
our
passengers
and
anybody
that
should
be
in
child
restraint
are
doing
that
as
well,
and
so
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
few
of
these
things
kind
of
as
we
go
throughout
the
presentation
today
and
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
discuss
a
few
numbers
as
we
go
through
today.
But
obviously,
when
we
talk
about
highway
safety,
highway
safety
isn't
about
numbers.
Highway.
D
Safety
is
about
people,
and
when
we
talk
about
the
things
that
we're
going
to
discuss
today,
I
do
want
everyone
to
remember
that.
You
know
we
we
don't
do
safety
programs
or
projects
or
anything
else,
to
improve
statistics
or
anything
else.
D
We
do
it
because
we
care
about
people
and
each
one
of
those
numbers
or
statistics
represents
a
person
out
there
on
our
roadway,
and
so
I'm
going
to
share
quickly
just
a
couple
of
points
that
I've
shared
with
the
committee
before,
but
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
strategic
highway
safety
plan.
Our
strategic
highway
safety
plan
is
a
kind
of
the
umbrella
document
for
highway
safety.
That
kind
of
sets
forward
our
direction
and
what
what
we're
going
to
be
attempting
to
do
with
our
partners?
D
Bold
goal
for
this
five-year
period,
trying
to
prevent
enough
deaths
on
the
roadways
to
be
under
500
by
2024..
Now,
on
that
slide,
a
couple
previous.
You
noticed
that,
as
of
september
3rd,
we
were
already
over
500
for
this
year,
and
so
we
do
have
significant
work
to
do,
however,
working
together
and
some
of
the
things
that
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
here
in
a
few
minutes,
we
believe
that
we
can
get
there
and
so
just
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit.
You
know
we're
focused
on
prevention
in
this
plan.
D
Obviously,
when
we
talk
about,
you
know,
driver
behaviors,
or
we
talk
about
anything
else.
We
can't
change
what
happened
yesterday.
We
only
change
what
happens
today
and
and
from
here
forward,
and
so
we
have
six
emphasis
areas
within
the
strategic
highway
safety
plan
and
those
are
aggressive
driving.
D
You
know
things
such
as
feeding
tailgating
and
those
types
of
things
distracted,
driving,
whether
that
be
cell
phone
or
any
other
method
of
distraction,
impaired
driving,
whether
that
be
alcohol
or
under
the
influence
of
drugs,
occupant
protection,
so
again
making
sure
that
folks
are
properly
restrained,
while
they're
in
their
vehicles,
roadway
departure,
which
is
basically
trying
to
keep
people
in
their
lane
and
a
lot
of
those
are
infrastructure.
D
Countermeasures
that
you
see,
such
as
you
know,
signing
and
lines
on
the
pavement
and
rumble
strips
and
things
of
that
nature
and
then
vulnerable
road
users,
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
committee
asked
me
particularly
to
touch
on
today
was
bicyclist
safety,
and
so
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
that
vulnerable
road
user
area
just
a
little
bit,
and
I
included
this
just
for
just
for
the
members
to
have
in
their
packets.
But
this
this
slide
explains.
D
You
know
the
percent
of
deaths
and
serious
injuries
that
are
attributed
to
each
one
of
these
emphasis
areas.
So
I
also
placed
a
link
in
the
packet
for
anybody.
Who's
interested
in
looking
at
the
document
as
a
whole
just
wanted
to
kind
of
put
that
out
there
for
folks
so
that
they
could
see
that
as
well.
D
Now,
I'm
going
to
dig
in
a
little
bit
further-
and
I
know
this
is
a
little
bit
of
an
eye
chart,
but
within
that
strategic
highway
safety
plan-
and
I
don't
need
you
to
read
what's
on
the
screen
right
now,
but
within
that
strategic
highway
safety
plan,
there's
a
two-page
fold-out.
If
you
will,
for
each
one
of
those
emphasis
areas-
and
this
particular
one
that
I'm
showing
here
on
the
screen-
is
for
vulnerable
road
users,
now
a
vulnerable
road
user,
is
anybody
that's
using
the
transportation
system?
D
D
That's
been
going
on
since
1992,
trying
to
help
not
only
novice
riders
but
experienced
writers
alike,
improve
their
knowledge
of
how
to
keep
themselves
safe,
as
well
as
educating
others
about
watching
out
for
motorcyclists
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
it's
not
only
focused
on
motorcycle
riders.
It's
also
focused
outwardly
on
the
rest
of
the
driving
population
as
well.
D
So
one
of
the
exciting
things
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
the
vulnerable
road
user
task
force
and
a
lot
of
folks.
You
know,
as
we've
been
talking
about
this
concept,
have
said:
well,
you
know
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
and
motorcyclists.
They
have
different
types
of
challenges.
Well,
they
do,
but
a
lot
of
them
there's
there's
a
lot
of
common
ground
there
as
well.
D
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
opportunity
to
do
not
only
to
do
not
only
things
that
benefit
all
of
those
user
groups,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
say
is
also
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
you
know
those
with
disabilities
are
also
included
within
that
pedestrian
category
many
times,
and
so,
when
we
look
at
the
opportunities
that
we
have
before
us,
we're
going
to
focus
on
those
things
that
are
common
to
the
three
groups,
but
also
we're
going
to
be
working
with
each
of
those
groups
individually
again,
the
the
largest
ones
are
bicyclists
motorcyclists
and
pedestrians
to
look
at
opportunities
to
improve
safety
for
those
groups
and
prevent
crashes.
D
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
we
have
a
vulnerable
road
user
task
force
that
we
have
worked
to
form,
and
you
know
the
exciting
thing
about
this
is
not
only
is
this
officials
within
state
government
and
local
governments
and
things
like
that,
but
we're
also
able
to
reach
out
to
other
groups
like
nonprofits,
such
as
the
brain
injury
alliance,
or
excuse
me
advocacy
groups
such
as
for
the
folks
that
represent
tj's
law,
the
kentucky
motorcycle
association
and
bring
those
folks
together
to
have
a
conversation
about
what
we
can
do
to
improve
safety
for
all
of
those
groups.
D
D
D
This
is
something
that
nitsa
offers
to
states
as
an
opportunity
to
look
at
different
program
elements
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
work
together
with
others
to
improve
those
sorts
of
things
and
we're
also
working
with
the
transportation
center
at
the
university
of
kentucky
on
several
projects
related
to
improving
safety
and
access
for
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
alike.
D
So,
in
closing,
I
I'd
just
like
to
throw
out
there
to
everybody
that
I
think
that
everybody
has
a
role
to
play
in
improving
safety
on
the
transportation
system,
and
so
we
ask
for
folks
to
partner
with
us
on
the
three
eyes,
get
informed
about
safety,
get
involved
in
improving
safety
and
get
intentional
about
the
example
in
this
case
that
I
said,
or
that
you
set
related
to
highway
safety,
and
that's
certainly
something
we
appreciate,
and
with
that.
A
Thank
you,
jason,
and
certainly
appreciative
of
the
task
force
that
you've
put
together.
I
know
that's
important
issues
and,
and
also
these
the
talk
about
a
campaign
to
save
lives
on
kentucky
roads.
It's
good
good
to
hear
that,
and-
and
I
guess
each
of
us
on
this
committee
and
each
of
everybody
listening
today-
can
we
start
with
ourselves
and
and
do
these
three
things
and
that
that's
very
important?
I
don't
see
any
questions
so
jason.
A
A
Next
up
we
have
school
bus
safety,
alyssa
hanley,
with
the
kentucky
department
of
education.
Are
you
with
us
this
morning.
A
Good
morning,
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
J
All
right,
thank
you
good
morning,
I'm
alisa
hanley.
I
am
the
branch
manager
for
pupil
transportation
at
the
kentucky
department
of
education
and
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
this
morning.
This
morning
we
are
going
to
talk
about
school
bus
safety,
training
and
technology,
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
J
J
Okay,
so
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
morning,
as
I
stated
school
bus
safety
and
what's
involved
with
school
bus
safety,
we
have
the
federal
motor
vehicle
safety
standards
or
fmdss.
We
also
have
school
bus
driver
selection,
the
driver
training
program
and
technology.
J
So
first,
I
want
to
kind
of
go
over
the
safety
standards
that
we
have
in
place.
First,
here
you'll
see
that
there's
28
safety
standards
listed
for
the
school
bus.
These
are
the
minimum
requirements
by
the
federal
government
that
must
be
followed.
Kentucky
goes
above
and
beyond
in
several
of
these
areas,
and
each
year
a
member
of
my
team
goes
to
the
bus
manufacturer
to
do
what
we
call
a
pilot.
J
This
is
to
ensure
that
our
buses
are
built
to
kentucky
minimum
specifications
and
in
addition,
each
year
there's
a
committee
of
school
bus
drivers,
trainers,
technicians,
inspectors,
directors
and
at
least
one
superintendent
that
will
determine
what
the
minimum
specifications
should
include.
We
have
an
engineer
from
each
of
the
manufacturers.
J
J
A
couple
of
the
fmvss
requirements
that
you
can't
really
see
on
this
small
screen
are
fmbss
217,
which
establishes
the
minimum
requirements
for
bus
window
retention
and
release
to
reduce
the
likelihood
of
passenger
ejection
and
crashes.
Fm
dss
222
are
the
occupant
protection
requirements
for
school
bus,
passenger
and
seating
restraining
barriers.
J
This
is
to
reduce
the
number
of
deaths
and
the
severity
of
injuries
that
result
from
the
impact
of
the
school
bus,
occupant,
against
structures
within
the
vehicle.
During
the
crash
and
studying
driving
maneuvers,
we
also
have
fmvss
302,
which
lays
out
the
minimum
standards
for
flammability
for
the
interior
materials
and
kentucky
is
the
only
state
that
uses
kevlar
fabric
with
kevlar
jersey,
knit
and
kevlar
thread
to
sew
the
seats,
and
this
prevents
the
penetration
of
fire
into
the
foam
cushioning
and
will
self-extinguish
when
the
source
is
of
fire
is
removed.
J
We
also
use
compartmentalization
in
our
buses.
This
is
where
the
student
will
hit
the
seat
in
front
of
them,
where
the
padding
and
the
structure
of
the
seat
absorbs.
The
impact.
Nitsa
has
recommended
lap
shoulder
belts
for
all
school
buses
because,
unfortunately,
being
hit
from
the
front
or
back
is
not
the
only
type
of
accident
a
school
bus
has,
they
can
be
hit
from
the
side
and
roll
over,
which
is
where
most
injuries
come
from.
However,
kentucky
only
requires
the
compartmentalization
at
this
time.
J
As
you
can
see,
the
picture
on
the
top
left
is
a
rollover.
Had
your
car
rolled
over
the
roof
would
be
crushed.
Fmvss,
220
and
221
have
strict
requirements
to
ensure
the
roof's
integrity,
the
top
right.
Actually,
I
skipped
a
skipped
one.
I
apologize
fm
vss
220
is
our
rollover
protection
and
this
is
to
reduce
the
number
of
deaths
and
severity
of
injuries
that
result
from
the
failure
of
the
school
bus
body
structure
to
withstand
forces
encountered
in
rollover
crashes.
J
Fmvss
221
is
the
school
bus
joint
strength,
and
this
is
the
strength
of
the
body
panel
joints
in
school
bus
bodies
to
reduce
deaths
and
injuries
from
structural
collapse
of
the
school
bus
bodies
during
crashes
and
kentucky
buses
are
tested
at
the
heaviest
school
bus
that
we
have
at
1.5
times.
So
that's
36,
000
pounds
at
this
time
now
you
may
see
on
the
news
buses
have
rolled
over,
but
it's
not
often
you'll
see
a
bus
with
a
crushed
roof
damaged.
Yes,
but
crushed
not
often-
and
that's
where
we
go
back
to
this.
J
Fmvss,
220
and
221
have
strict
requirements
to
ensure
the
roof's
integrity
on
the
top
right,
you'll
see
where
the
bus
roof
moved,
but
was
not
crushed
to
the
point
where
children
couldn't
escape
through
the
many
exits
that
we
have
and,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
black
line
on
the
side,
that
is
a
kentucky
school
bus
and
at
the
bottom,
this
school
bus
is
upside
down
and
the
roof
is
still
kept
intact.
Students
transported
in
other
vehicles,
such
as
cars,
vans
or
even
coach
buses
are
not
afforded
these
same
safety
features.
J
So
therefore,
we
do
insist
that
our
students
ride
in
a
school
bus
whenever
possible.
We
know
that
if
something
happens,
they
have
the
weight
and
the
safety
of
the
school
bus,
and
this
is
actually
a
recent
accident
from
august
20th
of
this
year.
It
was
damaged
on
the
side
in
the
front
of
the
bus,
but
what
you
don't
see
is
the
creek
below
at
the
bottom
of
that
hill.
The
driver's
skills
helped
that
the
help
keep
the
bus
out
of
the
ravine.
J
So
with
that
being
said,
our
driver,
selection
and
safety
is
also
a
part
of
school
bus
safety.
The
process
of
hiring
a
school
bus
driver
can
take
weeks,
if
not
months,
and
we
don't
take
this
school,
we
don't
take
the
safety
of
our
children
lightly.
Some
districts
have
even
stricter
requirements
than
the
state
regulation.
J
We
provide
the
minimum
requirements
and
the
local
districts
of
boards
of
education
can
expand
on
them
if
they
wish.
It's
been
hard
to
recruit,
and
one
reason
is
due
to
all
that
is
involved
in
and
all
that's
involved
and
the
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
to
get
a
driver
on
the
road.
J
For
our
training,
once
a
driver's
chosen
has
gone
through
all
the
proper
checks,
they're
trained,
our
drivers
have
an
extensive
minimum
25
hour
training
program
that
includes
both
classroom
and
on
the
road
and
most
can
complete
it
all
in
around
40
hours,
and
I
say
that
because
they
get
behind
the
wheel
practices.
Ours
are
just
the
minimum
requirements,
but
most
of
the
districts
go
way
above
and
beyond,
to
ensure
that
these
drivers
are
ready
to
drive
with
students.
J
Many
people
don't
recognize
that
the
training
put
into
a
school
bus
driver
makes
them
professional
drivers
with
professional
drivers
license
that
we
entrust
with
our
children.
We
expect
them
to
follow
the
laws
and
regulations,
bring
safety
concerns
to
the
directors
and
to
the
state.
We
teach
them
to
properly
load
and
unload
our
most
precious
cargo
and
expect
them
to
follow
those
procedures
and
when
they
don't
unfortunate,
consequences
occur
and
just
as
important
to
driving
is
the
ability
to
control
the
60
plus
children
sitting
behind
them.
They're
taught
people
behavior
management
and
positive
behavior
management.
J
J
In
addition
to
what
we
currently
train,
the
federal
government
is
requiring
what
we
call
entry-level
driver
training
starting
february
2022..
J
So
this
is
for
anyone
getting
a
class
b
license
a
p
or
s
endorsement,
and
the
school
district
will
be
provide,
be
required
to
provide
specific
training
to
ensure
drivers,
understand
their
responsibilities
as
cdl
drivers,
not
just
school
bus
drivers.
Therefore,
additional
strains
are
being
added
to
the
district
which
may
cause
even
larger
shortage
of
drivers,
not
all
school
bus,
not
all
school
districts
pay
people,
while
they're
in
training
and
our
parents
and
communities
cannot
afford
to
go
through
four
to
six
weeks
of
training
with
no
pay.
J
Many
school
districts
provide
training
for
people
to
get
their
permits,
which
is
five
to
ten
days
of
training,
just
to
get
a
permit
and
then,
through
the
kentucky
curriculum
yield
and
the
eldt
requirement
at
the
state
education
level.
We
have
created
our
manual
to
include
what
is
required
for
eldt
to
help
eliminate
the
need
to
add
additional
weeks
of
training.
However,
we
had
to
include
certain
items
such
as
log
books,
cargo
handling,
hours
of
service
and
other
areas.
J
Excuse
me,
my
daughter
is
sick.
I've
been
home
from
school.
I
apologize,
but
other
areas
that
don't
apply
to
us,
we're
also
working
towards
creating
tests
for
those
needing
their
license
and
endorsements
to
be
able
to
prove
to
the
federal
motor
carrier
safety
administration
that
they
have
achieved
80
on
their
knowledge.
In
addition,
there's
road
and
training
and
testing.
J
Additional
responsibilities
other
than
kde
requirements
include
the
training
provider
registry
for
school
districts,
where
the
district
affirms
that
they're
complying
and
then
upload
the
documentation
certifying
a
driver
has
completed
the
training.
They
also
need
to
run
drivers
through
the
federal
alcohol
and
drug
clearing
house
to
to
verify
their
background
doesn't
include
cdl
violations
in
this
area.
This
is
an
added
cost
per
driver
initially
and
annually.
J
So
one
of
the
things
I
know
you
guys
were
really
interested
in
are
our
additional
safety
features.
One
of
those
items
is
a
gps
that
can
be
used
for
routing
school
bus,
location
and
maintenance
issues.
Unfortunately,
there's
a
cost
for
this,
and
most
districts
don't
purchase
it.
Also.
The
no
child
left
behind
alarm
system
is
on
all
of
our
buses.
The
drivers
when
turning
off
their
buses
are
to
walk
to
the
back
of
the
bus
and
turn
this
off.
In
the
time
doing
so,
they
should
be
checking
the
seating
areas
for
sleeping
children.
J
J
Stop
arm
cameras
every
day,
thousands
of
drivers
pass
school
buses
while
buses
are
stopped
and
are
loading
and
unloading,
our
children
by
catching
and
going
after
those
that
pass
stop
buses,
we're,
hopefully
preventing
that
person
from
doing
it
again
and
people
become
more
vigilant
because
they
understand
where
that
there
are
consequences
for
their
actions.
Unfortunately,
districts
have
fought
with
their
counties
to
prosecute
illegal
passing.
This
should
not
be
a
fight,
it
should
be
common
sense.
J
If
a
person
passes
a
bus
illegally,
they
should
be
fined
and
the
school
district
should
also
retain
some
of
that
funding
and
for
the
upkeep
of
their
systems.
These
systems
cost
money,
but
the
district
doesn't
receive
the
fund
for
their
upkeep.
It
costs
350
to
850
dollars
per
stop
arm
camera
depending
on
the
type
of
system.
J
J
School
bus
cameras-
this
can
be
the
best
friend
when
it
comes
to
critical
situations.
The
videos
are
used
during
an
accident
to
see
what
occurred
and
help
recreate
the
accident
and
with
students,
seating
districts
can
learn
a
lot
about.
What's
going
on
on
the
inside
of
the
bus,
both
good
and
bad.
Every
school
bus
should
be
equipped
with
cameras
and
the
cameras
maintained.
However,
again,
funding
is
a
barrier
for
them.
J
The
camera
systems
alone
can
range
from
1200
to
2600,
depending
on
the
system
and
how
many
cameras
that
they
have
these
and
the
systems
most
most
of
them
only
include
one
camera
for
the
base
cost
of
the
system
at
twenty
six
hundred
dollars.
That's
over
nineteen
point,
seven
million
dollars
for
all
of
our
buses
that
are
on
the
road
daily
many
districts
are
already
put
already
put
them
on
them.
However,
we
still
have
many
districts
that
don't
have
them
and
are
refusing
to
put
them
on.
J
You
know
as
buses
retire,
but
it
is
not
something
that's
currently
in
our
minimum
specifications.
Yet
we've
discussed
several
safety
options
that
are
already
allowed
on
our
buses.
Additional
options
include
fire
suppression
systems,
lap,
shoulder
belts,
traction
control
and
backup
cameras
with
view
in
the
mirrors
and
for
the
future.
J
I
know
this
is
also
a
big
item
for
you.
We're
always
always
looking
at
ways
to
improve
the
school
bus
while
not
making
it
so
difficult
for
the
driver
that
they're,
overstimulated
and
unable
to
watch
the
road
as
with
us
on
the
road
drivers
must
be
careful
that
when
they
look
somewhere,
they
see
where
they're
looking
they
see.
What
they're
looking
at
overstimulation
can
cause
them
to
miss
important
things
such
as
a
child
caught
in
the
door.
They
looked
because
they
were
trained
to
turn
their
heads,
but
did
they
actually
see
the
child?
J
There
are
many
new
items
on
the
market.
We
want
to
test
them,
however.
We
require
any
product,
that's
being
tested
to
be
no
cost
to
the
district.
Many
times
we
watch
what
other
states
are
doing
and
ask
questions
as
the
bus
manufacturers
add
items
to
their
buses,
we're
able
to
pilot
the
items
so
much
easier,
they
will
add
the
items
to
the
bus
and
when
it's
built,
the
dealer
adds
that
item
that
we
want
to
pilot
and
we
put
it
on
the
road
we'll
be
testing
the
reverse
door.
J
That
automatically
opens
if
something
is
in
the
door.
There's
a
concern,
though,
about
this
one
that
we're
working
with
the
manufacturers
on
we're
concerned
that
unwanted
persons
being
able
to
stick
their
hand
or
body
in
the
door
and
keep
the
door
open.
The
bus
manufacturer
has
agreed
to
add
an
override
switch
that
the
driver
can
utilize
and
we're
planning
on
testing
this
in
jefferson
or
knox
county.
This
month,
they'll
come
back
to
the
specifications
meeting
and
give
us
their
feedback.
J
J
This
system
shown
has
led
lights
and
will
be
able
to
turn
on
and
will
be
turned
on
for
the
driver
to
better
see.
What's
going
on
this,
in
addition
to
the
warning
lights
for
the
driver,
so
they
have
different
views
and
different
color
lights
that
the
driver
will
be
able
to
see
in
addition
to
a
tablet
where
they
can
see
what's
going
on
around
their
bus.
J
The
last
item,
which
I
have
a
video
for,
is
the
predictive
stop
arm.
This
is
an
audio
alert
system
that
tells
students
to
stop
if
a
car
is
about
to
pass
on
the
left
side.
Something
like
this
is
a
game
changer
for
our
industry.
It
costs
about
twenty
six
hundred
dollars
per
bus
and
that's
over
nineteen
million
dollars
again
if
it's
added
to
all
of
our
buses.
J
Or
had
bear
with
me
just
as
a
quick
overview
to
show
how
it
works
and
what
it
sounds
like
for
for
our
students,
and
let
me
move
that
over
here.
J
F
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
want
to
jump
back
real
quick
to
the
the
bus
driver
hiring.
I
know
this
is
an
issue
for
many
of
our
school
districts
across
the
the
commonwealth
and
and
the
lack
of
school
bus
drivers.
One
question
I
had
was
that
there
are
specific
requirements
that
have
to
be
met.
Background
checks,
while
those
are
ongoing
you
mentioned
this
is
a
time
consuming
process,
and
probably
rightfully
so.
It
probably
needs
to
be
very.
F
It
needs
to
be
very
thorough,
but
while
that
is
going
on,
can
a
potential
bus
driver
go
ahead
and
start
their
driver
training?
Is
there
some
overlap
there,
while
they're
awaiting
that
background
check.
J
They
absolutely
can,
and
it
really
depends
on
the
district
and
what
their
processes
are.
Some
districts
help,
as
I
stated,
the
the
applicant
get
their
cdl
okay,
so
there
is
training
for
that
that
they
can
provide
so
that
they
can
pass
their
permit
testing
you
know
to
in
order
to
get
their
cdl.
In
addition,
they
can
certainly
start
our
curriculum
if
they
wish
to
do
so.
J
What
some
districts
have
found,
though,
is
that,
while
they're
starting
that
they're
putting
them
in
the
classroom
and
then
they're
not
passing
their
cdl
portion
and
therefore
they've
wasted
their
time
as
well,
training
them.
So
there's
ups
and
downs
to
doing
that,
and
we
absolutely
give
that
freedom
to
the
school
districts
to
find
what
works
for
them
and,
depending
on
how
comprehensive
their
cdl
training
is
they
they
have
a
good
idea
of
how
many
people
are
going
to
make
it
through
the
class.
So
yes,
sir,
so.
A
Yes,
senator
yates.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
miss
hanley.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
This
one
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart.
E
I
recently
litigated
a
pretty
high
profile
case
involving
a
little
girl
that
was
drunk
a
quarter
mile
by
a
school
bus
when
she
attempted
to
exit
and
shut
the
door
and
for
well
over
a
minute
I
and,
and
I
spent
quite
a
time
a
little
bit
of
time,
traveling
around
the
countries
and
looking
at
best
practices
and
where
things
were
done,
and
I
did
notice
that
you
you
put
on
the
slide
originally
that
they
do
drug
testing
at
at
higher
at
random
and
after
accidents.
E
I
learned
through
litigation
that
that's
been
interpreted
in
some
districts,
don't
mean
the
drug
testing
after
accidents.
Only
when
there's
been
a
fatality
or
a
citation.
Is
that
your
understanding?
Or
is
it
just
any
accident
that
we
should
be
drug
testing.
J
So
they,
the
school
districts,
must
follow
the
fm's
csa
requirements
for
drug
testing
after
an
accident,
and
so
there's
very
specific
situations
such
as
the
fatality
if
the
vehicle
was
towed
and
that
they
must
be
drug
tested
for
they're
not
required
to
drug
test
after
every
accident.
However,
some
school
districts
do
that
they
have
the
option
to
implement
that.
E
Yes,
sir
one
one
thing
that
that,
as
far
as
the
safety
aspects-
and
it
looks
like
we're
looking
trying
to
follow
best
practice
from
around
the
country-
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
it
was
sensors
put
on
the
on
the
buses,
I'm
the
danger
zone,
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
the
danger
zone,
that's
what
they
train
all
our
bus
drivers.
That's
the
area
that
where
children
are
most
likely
to
be
hurt
getting
on
and
off
the
bus
placing
sensors
around
the
bus
during
that
danger
zone
seem
like
a
very.
E
Is
that
it's
the
entry
level
or
not
the
sensors?
I
did
not
notice
that
on
your
presentation.
Are
we
looking
to
do
that
with
kentucky
children
to
put
the
sensors
in
this
one.
J
So
the
video
that
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
didn't
show
up
actually
was
one
of
those
items
and
the
video,
the
the
sensors,
at
least
for
this
brand,
actually
has
an
alarm
sounding
that
tells
students
to
stop
when
a
vehicle
is
approaching.
And
so
not
only
is
the
driver
telling
the
student
to
stop,
but
there's
a
sensor
that
does
that,
and
so
it
is
something
that
we
are
looking
into,
and
one
of
the
counties
franklin
county
is
actually
utilizing
that
right
now
and
they
they
love
it.
J
So
it's
something
that
we
will
be
looking
at.
Unfortunately,
one
of
the
issues
that
we
have
is
we
can
put
these
items
on
new
buses,
but
there's
nothing
that
says
that
they
need
to
be
put
on
older
buses.
So
the
500
buses
that
we
get
that
are
new
buses
have
them.
And
then
the
technology
is
not
put
on
to
the
older
buses.
So,
but
we
definitely
open
up
the
door
for
districts
to
put
on
older
buses
as
well.
J
But
we
are
looking
at
sensors,
we've
tested
sensors
in
the
past
and
they
just
didn't
fit
the
bill.
And
I
say
that
in
in
aspects
to.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Two
two
questions
for
you.
Just
on
curiosity,
I
know
jefferson
county
is
short
around
150
bus
drivers.
Do
you
know
what
it
is
roughly
statewide.
J
C
Okay,
that's
fine!
That's
I
just
want
a
ballpark.
The
other
question
I
have
is
the-
and
I
was
talking
to
a
chairman
of
church
and
the
staff
john
about
the
seat
belts
and
my
understanding
seat
belts.
Some
districts
have
them
some
districts.
C
Don't
could
you
give
me
this
little
bit
of
a
background
on
why
wouldn't
this
be
included
in
all
the
buses
and
if,
if
not,
do
you
have
any
statistics
to
on
reducing
the
number
of
injuries
of
those
other
kids
in
the
buses
that
do
turn
over
or
going
inside,
and
I
do
like
you
know
all
the
parameters
and
requirements
you
put
into
the
infrastructure
of
the
of
the
bus
itself.
But
can
you
expand
on
that.
J
Okay,
I
don't
have
any
statistics
at
this
time,
but
we
can
definitely
see
if
we
can
find
some
for
you
regarding
the
the
injuries,
but
we
have
brought
up
seat
belts
several
times
at
our
committees
and
the
school
districts
just
are
not
comfortable
at
this
time
putting
seatbelts
on
the
buses
due
to
fear
of
bus
fires,
evacuations
for
bus
fires.
J
You
know
if
they
are,
if
they
have
accidents
that
occur
and
end
up
in
water,
and
so
we're
collecting
data
and
still
speaking
with
districts
around
the
country
that
have
had
accidents
and
so
forth,
with
those
situations
to
help
the
districts
feel
more
comfortable.
But
in
addition
to
that
is
the
cost.
There's
a
significant
cost
added
to
each
school
bus
as
seat
belts
are
added,
so
there.
Those
are
the
two
barriers
at
this
time.
A
E
Okay,
sorry,
I
had
it
on
mute
and
I
went
through
the
whole
question
I'll
go
quickly.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
on
the
on
substitute
bus
drivers.
Do
you
have
any
parameters
on
that?
I
mean.
Are
they
you
know
like?
Sometimes
the
school
won't
have
enough
bus
drivers
and
they've
got
to
get
the
kids
home
or
whatever,
and
they
they
get
some
substitute
drivers.
What
what
do
you?
What
do
you
have
on
that.
E
Yeah
just
can
it,
for
example,
can
a
teacher
just
go
out
there
and,
like
hey
we're
short
on
drivers,
we
got
to
get
this
bus
home?
Can
a
teacher
run
out
there
and
run
drive
the
bus?
Is
that
a
possibility
or
what?
What
is
the
protocol
for
when
you
don't
have
enough
drivers
that
show
up
one
day?
If
there
is
one.
J
Okay,
so
every
driver
that
drives
students
must
go
through
school
bus
driver
training
curriculum,
so
every
driver
on
those
buses
are
trained
the
same,
so
we
couldn't
just
pull
somebody
from
the
school
building
to
put
them
behind
the
wheel.
We
also
have
to
do
some
of
the
same
background
checks
like
mvrs
and
things
of
that
sort
to
ensure
that
they
have
the
ability
to
drive
and
they
have
to
have
their
cdl.
You
know,
and
so
we
have
to
make
sure
that
they're
legal
to
drive
in,
in
addition
to
the
training.
E
J
J
Of
things
that
districts
are
doing,
one
of
those
things
is
combining
routes.
Another
is
you
know,
going
once
they're
done
with
their
route
they're
going
back
out
and
picking
up
the
students
that
where,
where
their
drivers
are
unable
to
pick
them
up,
because
they've
called
in
and
unfortunately
as
you've
seen
in
the
news,
we've
got
districts
that
are
actually
canceling
routes.
So
there's
a
number
of
things
that
can
be
done.
It
just
really
depends
on
the
district
and
their
resources.
J
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you.
Miss
had
hanley.
I
appreciate
your
testimony
today
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
One
you
mentioned
the
cameras
and
the
cost
of
that
and
everything
I
believe,
there's
certain
companies
that
will
install
them
at
no
cost.
Have
you
is
that
true?
Are
you
aware
of
that.
J
For
the
stop
arm
cameras
there
are-
and
it
really
just
depends
on
what
the,
if
there's
any
type
of
regulation
or
put
into
place
for
them
to
receive
payment
back
for
those
they
receive
payment
through
the
through
the
fines
that
are
given
to
the
driver.
So
it
really
just
depends
on
what
type
of
funding
goes
back
to
them,
whether
they're,
willing
or
not,
to
put
the
cameras
on
the
buses.
B
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
and
I've
got
one
more
question.
Mr
chair.
A
Please
proceed
if
it's
we're.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
bus?
Stop
arm
cameras
so
that
just
fyi,
but
please
proceed.
B
Okay
on
the
on
the
training
for
bus
drivers,
it
is
separate
from
the
cameras.
I
know
you
said:
there's
some
school
districts
pay
for
it.
Some
don't
just
wonder
those
school
districts
that
pay
for
it.
Are
they
requiring
a
contractual
obligation
for
a
length
of
time
they
have
to
work
for
that
school
district,
but
you
know,
do
they
have
a
length
of
time
to
commit
to
it
and,
if
not,
I
think
that's
something
to
consider
to
where.
B
If
we're
going
to
pay
for
their
school,
you
know
their
training
and
everything
they
commit
to
a
certain
length
of
time
so
that
we're
not
just
training
drivers.
I've
talked
to
some
superintendents,
they
train
them,
they
work
a
month
and
they
quit
and
we're
actually
just
training
them
to
go
to
work
for
someone
else,
and
I
just
wonder
if
that's
in
place
or
if
it
should
be
in
place.
J
Good
question
and
some
school
districts
are
doing
that.
Not
all
school
districts
are
doing
that.
It's
easier
going
from
one
district
to
another.
You
know
where
they
won't
trans
transfer
their
their
training
documents,
but
when
they
go
out
to
the
community
and
work
for
someone
other
than
the
school
district,
they've
got
their
cdl
and
they've
earned
it.
You
know
so
that
cdl
goes
with
them
and
although
they
have
in
there,
you
know
that
they
they
may
have
to
pay
some
money
back.
I
don't
know
how
successful
they
are
in
getting
those
funds.
A
Miss
hanley,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation
today.
It
was
very,
very,
I
guess,
eye
opening
all
the
issues
that
the
importance
of
school
bus
safety.
I
will
add-
and
I
guess
let
you
most
of
the
legislation
that
I've
seen
in
the
past
on
seat
belts
for
for
school
buses.
They
always
mentioned
not
to
upgrade
current
fleet,
but
any
new
bus.
That's
purchased.
A
A
Next
up
representative
david
hale
we're
having
a
we'll
talk
about
the
bus,
stop
arm
cameras
and
representative
hale.
The
the
floor
is
yours.
G
Good
morning,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much
co-chair
higdon
and
co-chair
upchurch
and
members
of
this
transportation
committee
this
morning.
It's
my
honor
to
be
here
today,
and
I
want
to
certainly
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity.
I
am
state
representative
david
hale
from
the
74th
house
district
here
in
kentucky,
and
I
have
with
me
today
a
guest
and
I'll.
Let
him
introduce
himself
at
this
time.
B
My
name
is
roberto
rego,
I'm
vice
president
of
boss
patrol,
and
I
have
also
with
me
here
today
jean
soulier,
which
is
the
ceo
and
founder
of
boss
patrol.
Will,
you
will
be
testified
later.
G
Well,
mr
chairman,
again,
thank
you
all
so
much
today
for
allowing
us
to
come
in
the
the
previous
presenter.
Miss
hanley
touched
on
some
of
the
just
briefly
touched
on
the
item
that
I'm
here
today
to
discuss
with
you
and
talk
to
you
about.
Our
topics
today
have
been
centered
around
highway
safety
and
also
school
bus
safety,
and
certainly
I
don't
think
any
of
us
on
this
committee
or
any
any
member
of
of
the
legislature
would
argue
against
that.
G
I
think
that
would
increase
the
safety
measures
is
something
I
think
we
should
definitely
look
into
one
of
the
things
that
miss
hanley
mentioned
in
a
lot
of
in
her
presentation
of
some
of
the
things
that
she
was
speaking
of,
and
she
referred
to
several
times
as
to
the
cost
of
these
measures
and
and
the
the
expense
and-
and
there
was
there-
was
enormous
expense
to
some
of
the
things
that
she
was
mentioning
there.
G
But
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
is
somewhat
different
in
what
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
today,
and
that
is
stop-arm
cameras
that
would
be
mounted
on
our
school
buses
across
kentucky
and
one
one
of
the
the
things
and-
and
there
are
several
vendors
that
do
this,
but
vendors
that
we
have
contracted
or
talked
not
contracted
but
have
contacted
and
talked
to
are
willing
to
install
these
cameras
on
our
stop
arms
on
our
school
buses
at
absolutely
no
cost
to
our
school
districts.
G
Of
course,
these
companies
are
in
business.
We
know
to
make
money
from
that
and
make
a
profit
from
that,
but
the
way
that
their
their
costs
would
be
recouped,
of
course,
was
as
what
ms
hanley
stated
through
fines
that
would
be
implemented
and
things
that
would
be
collected
from
illegally
passing
school
buses
that
had
that
were
stopped,
and
this
is
a
this
is
really
a
passion
with
me.
As
of
last
last,
in
our
session
of
2021,
I
actually
filed
a
a
piece
of
legislation.
G
It
was
house
bill
189
which
discussed
this
and
and
talked
about
this,
and
and
we
were
able
to
get
this
passed
through
the
house
by
almost
a
a
unanimous
vote.
I
think
it
was
a
92-3
vote
and
unfortunately,
as
things
happen
in
in
sessions-
and
we
all
know
that
sometimes
time
constraints
catches
up
with
us
and
we're
not
able
to
get
it
to
the
to
completely
to
the
finish
line.
G
I
know
last
year,
of
course,
in
our
short
session
we
were
we
were
dealing
with
the
budget
issue
and
all
the
coveted
related
issues
and
those
were
very
important
and-
and
there
just
wasn't
time
to
complete
this,
but
I'm
hopeful
as
we
proceed
into
our
upcoming
session
in
2022,
that
we
will
give
this
some
consideration
and
co-chair
higdon
again.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
G
You
had
mentioned
to
me
at
the
conclusion
of
session
last
year
that
you
certainly
weren't
we're
not
against
this
measure
and
that
you
would
give
me
the
opportunity
to
come
and
testify
before
the
interim
committee
and
to
present
this,
and
so
today
again
I'm
just
here-
and
I
will
be
brief
as
I
can
be,
because
I
want
my
guests
to
share
with
you
what
their
company
does
and
how
they
operate.
G
But
one
of
the
things-
that's
that
is
very
important
here
is,
and
I
I
can't
really
give
you
the
statistics
of
how
many
violations
occur
every
day
or
every
year
I
can
go
to
statistical
information
and-
and
some
of
those
statistics
give
you
thousands
upon
thousands
upon
thousands
of
violations
that
occur,
and
that
may
be
correct,
and
I
I
really
can't
verify
that,
but
I
will
say
this:
if
there
is
one
violation
that
occurs
of
an
in
of
a
motorist
illegally
passing
a
school
bus-
that's
too
many
and
and
there's
if
there
are
measures
that
we
could
put
in
place
to
deter
that
or
make
it
a
penalty
to
do
that.
G
I
think
this
would.
This
is
something
that's
very
important
to
the
safety
of
our
children
and,
just
unfortunately,
very
unfortunately,
just
last
week
in
perry,
county
kentucky,
a
pedestrian
was
killed
as
he
had
taken
his
child
across
the
road
to
get
on
the
bus
and,
as
he
went
back
across
the
road,
a
motorist
passed.
G
The
bus
with
its
stop
arm
out,
stop
sign
still
on
red
lights,
flashing
and
hid
and
killed
this
43
year
old,
pedestrian,
our
47
year
old,
pedestrian
there
in
perry
county
last
week,
and
so
you
see
there
is
a
problem
and
I
think
we
all
realize
that
we've
seen
that
we've
all
witnessed
it
ourselves,
I'm
sure
we
all
have,
but
one
of
the
things
that's
so
hard
to
to
do
is
when
is
to
actually
catch
these
illegal
acts
in
progress
unless
there
is
a
law
enforcement
officer
that
happens
to
be
right
on
the
scene,
it's
very
hard
to
to
actually
catch
these
individuals
and
there's
very
few
prosecutions
or
convictions
that
even
happen
by
those
those
incidents
that
happen,
and
so
what
I'm
proposing
and
what
I
proposed
in
my
legislation
last
year
and
and
I
haven't
pre-filed
a
bill
yet
I'm
I'm
going
to
soon
pre-file
a
bill,
but
I'm
I'm
open
to
suggestions.
G
G
I
don't
want
to
do
things
that
would
alleviate
what
the
bill
is
intended
to
do,
but
I'm
definitely
open
to
suggestions
from
from
members
of
this
committee
from
the
chairs
of
this
committee
or
from
from
members
of
both
the
house
and
senate,
to
implement
this
and
to
get
this
hopefully
this
year,
if
we
can
across
the
finish
line.
G
So
basically
just
in
a
nutshell,
what
I'm
proposing
to
do
is
to
allow
whatever
vendor
that
we
would
come
in
to
a
contract
with
to
come
to
our
state
and
install
these
cameras
on
our
7600.
I
think
buses
that
we
have
in
kentucky
and
this
would
be
at
no
cost
to
the
school
districts,
absolutely
zero
cost.
But
this
is
not
something
that
I
want
to
make
mandatory.
G
G
The
bus
was
traveling
in
a
north
direction
on
the
road
between
my
house
and
her
house
right
directly
across
the
street.
The
bus
had
came
to
a
stop.
She
had
brought
her
second
grade
son
across
the
street
and
for
him
to
to
get
onto
the
bus
and,
as
she
walked
back
across
the
road
right
before
the
child
had
taken
the
first
step
up
onto
the
bus.
G
Just
a
little
bit
again,
I
won't
bore
you
with
a
lot
of
statistics
of
of
the
incidents
that
happen,
but
if,
if
we
could
save
just
one
life
or
protect
just
one
life,
it
would
be
worth
our
investment
there
and
these
monitoring
systems
that
record
these.
These
actions
and
I've
been
approached
by
people
that
says
that
have
actually
made
the
comment.
Well,
it's
like
we're
spying
on
people.
No
we're
not
spying
on
people.
G
We
are
recording
an
illegal
act
that
they
are
doing
by
passing
a
stopped
school
bus,
and
I
will
say
this
and
stand
on
it
firmly.
I
I
have
absolutely
no
sympathy
for
anyone
that
does
that,
regardless
of
who
that
would
be,
or
even
what
the
circumstance
would
be,
that
would
illegally
pass
a
stopped
school
bus
that
is,
that
is
in
the
process
of
either
loading
or
unloading.
Our
children,
one
of
the
things
in
my
proposals
again
that
we
will
have
to
work
out
in
details.
G
G
Would
then
go
back
to
the
vendors
to
pay
for
their
cost
of
the
installing
of
the
cameras
and,
of
course,
there's
there's
things
there
to
be
worked
out
and
again
I'll
not
go
into
the
details
of
what
my
bill
was
last
year,
and
but
I
I'm
sen,
I'm
I'm
passionate
about
filing
something
of
similar
legislation,
but
again
in
closing
today
and
I'll
let
my
guest
that
is
with
us
today
proceed.
G
I
think
this
is
a.
This
is
a
win-win
situation
for
everybody
that
it's
not
going
to
put
an
un
due
burden
of
expense
upon
our
school
districts
which
are
struggling
right
now.
Incredibly,
we
know
that,
and
this
just
the
last
presenters
that
have
the
last
presenter
that
sh
that
spoke
to
us
about
the
safety
measures
and
the
expense
of
all
the
things
that
they're
trying
to
do
to
protect
our
children.
This
is
something
that
I
think
we
could
move
forward
with.
G
A
F
Sure
I
will
do
that
quickly.
I
will
pass
on
to
jean
soulier,
which
is
on
online.
K
Thank
you
perfect,
hello,
everyone.
My
name
is
jean
stuller,
I'm
ceo
and
founder
of
bus
patrol.
First
of
all,
I'm
greatly
encouraged
by
what
I
heard
from
mrs
hanley.
The
focus
and
rigor
that's
going
on
at
the
state
level
in
kentucky.
K
Having
worked
with
states
across
the
country,
I
think
is,
is
amazing
and
I
think
you
guys
are
doing
a
great
job.
There
is
a
way
to
accelerate
how
you
provide
school
bus
safety
to
kids
and
that's
what
I'm
here
to
share
with
you
today.
First
off
we'll
start
off
with
some
of
the
stats
and
every
year
there
are
surveys
that
are
done
in
2019,
131
000
bus
drivers
were
asked
to
count
manually
how
many
times
their
school
buses
were
illegally
passed.
K
The
result
of
that
survey
was
almost
100
000
violations
over
that
day.
So
almost
one
per
bus
per
day,
the
problem
is,
is
very
real
in
2018.
What
really
shook
the
ground
in
the
country
and
and
accelerated
legislation,
which
I
was
part
I
participated
in
pennsylvania,
ohio,
michigan,
new
york
maryland
virginia.
K
There
were
six
kids
killed
during
student
safety
week
in
2018,
and
there
were
another
eight
that
were
put
to
hospital
and
what
that
did
is
it.
It
caused
the
national
transportation
safety
board
to
publish
a
report
which
is
available
for
all
you
folks
to
to
download
in
april
of
2020,
which
recommended
that
every
state
in
the
country
pass
legislation
to
enable
robust
stop
arm
enforcement
programs.
K
Since
then,
bus
patrol
is
deployed
on
by
far
the
most
buses
by
the
end
of
this
calendar
year,
we'll
be
on
25
000
of
them.
Next
year,
probably
50
000.
you'll
see
the
video
on
the
right.
These
are
just
cars
that
are
disrespecting
the
school
bus.
These
aren't
accidents,
these
aren't
distractions.
These
are
just
pure
disrespect
and
and
that's
the
kind
of
behavior
we're
here
to
change.
K
K
Our
process
is
very
simple:
we
use
ai
technology
in
order
to
gather
the
evidence
which
ultimately
gets
put
in
front
of
law
enforcement,
that
law
enforcement
officer.
It's
their
judgment
used
as
to
whether
to
issue
the
civil
citation
or
not.
Once
it's
issued
bus
patrol
then
mails
the
ticket
and
the
motorist
can
go
online
and
see
a
video
of
their
car
illegally.
Passing
a
stop
school
bus,
95
percent
of
people
pay
upon
viewing
that
video
for
the
very
first
time,
because
the
evidence
is
quite
compelling.
K
Now.
Ai
technology
is
the
core
to
this.
The
only
way
you
can
afford
to
put
it
on
every
single
bus,
which
is
what
we
pay
for
everything
is
100
paid
for
by
bus
patrol
and
and
what
the
way
we
get
paid
is
through.
The
recovery
of
a
percentage
of
fines
and
ai
technology
is
critical
to
being
able
to
offer
that
it's
the
only
way
to
be
able
to
effectively
enforce
the
law.
Here
is
an
example
of
ai
technology
at
work
you
see
the
top
left.
K
K
Now,
what
we
do
is
we
make
sure,
there's
an
equitable
distribution
of
technology.
100
of
kids
get
protected.
I
heard
in
mrs
hanley's
presentation
the
concept
of
we'll
put
stuff
on
new
buses
and
and
over
time,
get
through
well
bus
patrol
puts
it
on
every
single
bus,
new
or
old,
we're
actually
working
with
the
oem
manufacturers
right
now
to
pre-wire
our
technology
and
every
bus
off
the
line,
and
once
you've
wired
a
bus
for
enforcement.
K
We
also
deliver
all
the
internal
camera
features
where
our
ai
engine
is
capable
of
doing
further
monitoring
and
this
again
at
no
cost
to
school
districts.
So
the
vision
mrs
hanley
was
putting
forward
is
something
she
can
have
actually
today
and
that's
hd
quality
cloud
camera
cloud
connected
cameras
that
can
be
pulled
from
the
internet,
using
governance
and
safety
mechanisms.
K
K
Also,
these
programs
in
every
state
bring
jobs.
We
need
field
technicians
and
we
open
up
bus
patrol
academies
and
offices
around
the
world
or
sorry
around
north
america.
We've
got
offices
in
suffolk,
county
allentown,
pa
everywhere
we
go
we're
creating
50
high-paying
jobs
to
help
keep
people
safe
on
the
mission
and
using
data.
Once
you
have
all
these
cameras
on
every
single
school
bus,
it's
no
longer
a
guess.
K
We
can
see
what
routes,
what
stops
are
the
most
frequently
violated
and
we
can
put
up
signage,
we
can
move,
we
can
help
schools,
move,
stops
and
be
proactive
in
offering
safety,
and
the
other
thing
we
do
is
we
make
sure
we
build
robust
public
awareness
campaigns
and
that
is
critical
to
anyone.
Launching
these
programs.
I'd
like
to
show
you
a
quick
video
that
we
put
together
for
suffolk
county
that
was
on
all
the
major
cable
news
outlets.
Please
enjoy.
B
As
you
approach
a
stop
school
bus
when
driving
in
suffolk
county,
what
should
you
do
if
you
are
in
this
car
or
this
car
new
york
state
law
says
that
in
every
case
you
need
to
stop
cutting
edge
camera
technology.
Suffolk
county
is
launching
a
program
that
can
serve
as
a
national
model
for
school
transportation.
Safety
stop
for
the
bus.
It's
new
york
state
law
for
more
information
visit,
suffolkcountyny.gov
school
bus.
K
And
it
doesn't
stop
there,
the
advocacy
platform
using
social
media
to
educate
people
and
make
sure
these
drivers
understand
that
their
actions
do
have.
Consequences
is
very
important
where
we
can
actually
publish
the
law
and
make
sure
we're
educating,
because
they
know,
when
they're,
coming
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
that
they
have
to
stop
as
well,
because
that's
actually
one
of
the
most
dangerous
situations
and
then
building
education
content
is
another
thing,
that's
very
important
and
we
do
for
all
of
our
clients
at
no
cost.
K
B
B
Now,
children,
this
is
important
when
you
cross
the
road
you
all
need
to
follow.
This
code
stay
ten
big
hops
away
from
the
bus
where
the
bus
driver
can
see.
You
always
always
wait
for
the
driver
to
give
you
the
thumbs
up
to
let
you
know
when
it's
okay
to
cross
the
road
look
left
and
right
before
you
cross
and
walk,
don't
run
just
like
this.
K
K
Yeah
we're
running
out
of
time
just
wanted
to
point
out.
The
last
point
is
that
98
of
people
who
get
a
ticket
from
one
of
these
programs
don't
get
a
second
one,
and
and
that's
how
we
know
these
programs
are
working.
K
My
pleasure
and
I'm
open
to
any
questions
if
anyone
should
have
any.
G
One
more
quick
comment
and-
and
the
videos
have
been
very
eye-opening,
I
think
to
us
this
morning.
We
certainly
have
already
in
place
krs
statutes
that
prohibit
this,
but
again
we're
not
being
able
to
catch
these
individuals
in
the
act
of
doing
it,
and
I
believe
this
would
would
give
us
a
tool
that
we
could.
G
We
could
stop
this
or
deter
it
tremendously
from
what
we're
seeing
happen
today,
and
so
I
I
would
just
encourage
any
again
any
ideas,
suggestions,
I'm
certainly
open
to
that,
but
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
see
us
proceed
with
this
and
again.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
today.
I
appreciate
that
so
much
and
if
there
are
questions
for
myself
or
anyone
else,
we
will
try
to
answer
them.
Thank
you.
A
We
don't
have
any
questions,
but
that
is
interesting.
You
know
school
bus
safety
is
important
and-
and
you
know,
as
the
technology
improves
and
and
we're,
I
guess
the
issue
is-
is
how
how
we
we
deal
with
the
state
law.
A
The
way
we've
been
doing
where
law
enforcement
enforces
it
to
where
we're
moving
to
a
third
party,
where
we
have
third
party
involvement,
so
there's
the
gray
area
that
we
had
to
work
through
and
and
we'll
certainly
have
a
lot
of
conversations
about
that.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
also
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
have
administrative,
reg,
600,
kar,
1,
21,
5
e.
What
says
sets
forth
changes
in
the
motor
vehicle
commission
what
they
charge,
dealers
and
manufacturers.
A
This
is
in
response
to
senate
bill
131
that
we
passed
last
session
that
simply
gives
the
auto
dealers
motor
vehicle
commission
the
authority
to
change
fees
for
licenses
without
they
can
do
it
through
administrative
reg.
A
So,
if
no
questions
on
that,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
you
understand
that
that
passed
through
administrative
rigs
with
with
with
with
these
and
also
we
have
today,
we
were
going
to
talk
about
billboards,
but
we'll
probably
talk
about
that
in
another
meeting,
because
there's
some
currently
some
litigation
going
on
with
that
issue
also,
I
want
to
call
attention.
A
Okay,
yes
in
your
in
your
packet
today,
there's
updates
from
ksp
and
driver's
license
and
all
that's
going
on
with
driver's
license
and
and
we've
we've
certainly
been
working
with
them
and
they
have
at
the
end.
The
month
you
probably
saw
an
announcement
that
they
they
are
going
to
have
a
mail-in
version
for
the
driver's
license,
and-
and
that
is
a
a
big
big
plus
for
all
of
us
who
are
hearing
a
lot
about
driver's
licenses.
A
A
A
They
do
not
have
to
go
to
the
regional
office
unless,
unless
for
the
first
time
they
want
to
get
their
real
id,
so
everything
else
can
be
done
pretty
much
in
cdls
and
and
cdl
still
had
to
be
done
at
the
regional
office.
A
But
we're
getting
a
lot
of
questions
on
that,
and
I
know
that
the
kentucky
state
police
with
driver's
license
that
is
ongoing
and
if
you
have
any
problems
or
complaints
that
we
need
to
pass
along
to
the
state
police
or
to
the
department
of
transportation
about
driver's
license
and
issuing
of
driver's
license.
Please
let
me
know
because
they
have
worked
very
hard
to
make
this
a
smooth
transition.