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C
President
in
the
sixth
senate
district.
A
I
would
seek
a
motion
for
the
approval
of
the
october
5th
2021
meeting
minutes.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
I
those
opponents,
the
eyes
have
it.
The
meeting
minutes
are
approved
our
first
we're
going
to
go
a
little
bit
out
of
order
today
because
of
some
technology
issues
we
need
to
address
while
we're
having
this
we'll
go
with
the
first
we'll
go
with
boating
safety
bill
request,
351.
A
H
You,
mr
only
15
minutes,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
I'm
senator
ralph
alvarado
from
the
28th
district,
and
I
have
here
today
with
me
as
a
constituent,
miss
jennifer,
steger
who's
here
today,
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
boating
safety.
I
was
going
to
have
her
begin
her
remarks.
First,
if
it's
okay.
I
On
june
26
of
2021,
I
lost
my
partner,
my
best
friend
in
a
tragic
boating
accident.
Joey
was
43.
He
was
the
father
of
five
children
and
I'm
the
mother
of
four.
Together
we
had
nine.
I
was
interesting,
but
it
was
fun.
Fortunately,
on
that
day,
at
k
run
lake,
none
of
the
children
were
there
with
us.
It
was
a
perfectly
beautiful
sunny
saturday
morning
and
we
were
taking
the
houseboat
out
on
preparation
for
an
adult
weekend.
I
I
chose
a
spot
just
along
the
flats
and
20
feet
of
water
right
alongside
the
shoreline,
so
we
could
be
away
from
the
chaos
that
was
going
to
happen
for
sure.
On
a
beautiful
summer,
late
day,
joey
had
been
on
the
water,
his
whole
life.
The
lake
was
his
happy
place.
He
left
fishing
for
muskie.
He
was
an
experienced
boater.
He
could
drive
any
vessel
from
a
fishing
boat
to
a
jet
ski
to
a
runabout
or
a
houseboat.
I
He
was
very
cautious
on
the
water,
especially
around
our
children,
and
he
knew
the
rules
of
the
water
from
his
30
plus
years
of
being
on
it
late
that
afternoon,
after
the
most
perfect
day
with
friends,
joey
jumped
on
a
jet
ski,
he
took
it
out
for
a
spin
and
he
was
frolicking
around
in
the
water.
Beside
the
houseboat
he'd
only
been
on
the
jet
ski
for
a
couple
of
moments.
Before
the
wind
blew
his
hat
off,
he
stopped
right
outside
of
the
flats
and
turned
back
for
his
hat
after
retrieving
it.
I
He
darted
back
towards
the
houseboat,
not
looking
into
the
flats
before
he
took
off.
That
seems
like
a
rookie
mistake,
but
the
flats
were
only
four
feet
deep
at
that
time
of
year
and
the
only
boats
you
would
generally
see
out
there
during
that
time
were
fishing
boats
with
trolling
motors
kayakers
and
maybe
a
resting
pontoon.
I
I
Joey
was
an
experienced
boater,
but
the
other
party
was
not.
He
had
borrowed
his
friend's
cabin
cruiser
for
the
day.
He
did
not
know
that
he
was
in
four
feet
of
water.
He
had
just
bought
an
ice
cream
cone
and
he
was
enjoying
the
same
gorgeous
day
that
we
were
with
his
wife.
She
was
also
injured
in
the
accident.
I
The
accident,
however,
was
not
his
fault,
and
I
do
not
blame
him
and
here's
why
he
wasn't
required
to
know
how
to
plane
a
boat.
He
didn't
have
to
know
the
lay
of
the
lake
and
he
didn't
have
to
know
the
rules
of
the
road,
because
you
see
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
As
long
as
you
are
18
years
old,
you
can
literally
buy
yourself
a
boat,
stick
it
in
the
water,
and
you
can
call
yourself
a
captain
I'll
expand
on
this
in
just
a
moment.
But
first,
please
understand
that.
I
I
don't
come
in
front
of
you
today
seeking
sympathy
for
a
lost
loved
one
that
died
too
soon.
I
stand
here
as
a
mother
and
a
lake
enthusiast
asking
you
to
help
make
our
life
safer
for
our
families.
I
see
senseless
acts
on
the
water
every
single
weekend.
I
can't
count
the
times
that
a
jet
skier
has
jumped
my
way,
because
I
ski
my
nine-year-old
daughter
behind
me
or
the
times
that
boats
will
fly
through
areas
with
stick-ups
as
they
pull
their
own
children
behind
them
in
a
tube.
I
So
traffic
has
picked
up
tremendously
over
the
past
few
years
and
it's
time
that
we
place
an
emphasis
on
boater
education,
just
like
we
do
on
our
roads.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
according
to
the
recreational
boating,
statistics
of
2020
boating
activity
across
the
u.s
rose
significantly.
During
the
covet
19
pandemic,
fatality
rates
rose
by
25
and
registered
recreational
vessels
in
2020
compared
to
2019,
accidents
rose
by
26
percent.
I
This
is
not
entirely
a
surprise,
because
many
states
do
not
require
boaters
to
receive
any
type
of
educational
course
before
navigating
their
waters,
though
more
and
more
states
are
raising
the
age
limits
to
eventually
include
everybody
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
Only
12
to
17
year
olds
are
required
to
take
an
approved
voter
safety
education
course.
But,
according
to
these
statistics,
that's
not
the
age
range
that
we
need
to
be
focusing
on
12
to
18
year
olds
are
only
responsible
for
approximately
three
percent
of
the
fatalities
and
10
percent
of
injuries
on
the
water.
I
So
this
next
slide
talks
about
experience,
and
I
understand
that
this
is
where
you
probably
receive
the
most
pushback.
But
I
want
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
type
of
experience
these
numbers
actually
suggest.
So,
basically,
in
kentucky
you
have
three
months
of
boating
june
july
and
august,
a
2016
recreational
boating
participation
study
showed
that
on
average,
active
boaters
spend
about
71
and
a
half
hours
boating
per
season
and
first-time
boaters
spend
much
less
time
only
about
23
hours,
their
first
season.
I
I
So
I
do
understand
that
experience
does
matter,
and
I
really
love
the
ideas
that
senator
alvarado
is
going
to
present
to
you
to
accommodate
some
of
these
experienced
voters,
though
kentucky
would
be
the
first
landlocked
state
to
require
a
safety
education
course
for
all
boaters.
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
that
kentucky
has
more
miles
of
running
water
than
any
other
state,
except
for
alaska.
I
There
are
currently
seven
other
states
that
have
adopted
this
law,
and
many
more
are
are
following
suit.
By
raising
the
ages
of
those
required
to
take
the
course,
15
states
currently
use
ages
between
32
and
49
years
old
or
younger.
That
they're
required
to
take
the
course
with
a
plan
to
eventually
include
all
boaters
in
the
very
bottom
you'll
see
that
I've
included
ohio,
tennessee
and
west
virginia
are
neighboring
states.
They've
raised
the
limits
of
39,
32
and
35
years
of
age.
I
I
I
So
I
think,
obviously
you
should
probably
know
the
rules
before
you
get
on
here.
Joey
reed
had
1300
people
at
his
funeral.
He
left
behind
five
children
and
a
grieving
mother
and
a
brother
and
countless
other
people
who
adored
him.
He
was
best
known
for
being
the
friendly
ups
guy,
with
a
smile
on
his
face,
always
losing
him
so
senselessly
has
shaken
our
community
and
our
boating
community
as
well.
I
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'll
just
follow
up
quickly
and
obviously
I
don't
think
I
can
give
better
testimony
than
jennifer
just
did
so.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
and
talk
about
it.
I
know
it's
often
it's
in.
We
use
the
interim
to
talk
about
bills
that
can
sometimes
may
have
some
controversy.
We've
had
a
bill
like
this
filed
in
the
past
before
the
general
assembly,
and
we
often
talk
about
transportation.
H
There's
lots
of
accidents
every
year,
but
there's
currently
no
requirements
for
driving
a
boat
and
we've
had
a
young
lady.
I
want
to
say
her.
Last
name
was
otis.
She's
visited
us
here
in
the
past,
advocating
for
voting
under
the
influence
laws
to
be
stricter
and
has
had
an
amputation
as
a
result
of
an
accident
that
occurred
on
the
lake,
and
so
this
has
been
a
topic.
That's
been
out
before
us
for
several
years.
You've
just
heard
of
the
tragic
accident
that
happened
that
was
rather
dramatic
in
our
in
our
my
district.
H
In
particular.
In
my
neck
of
the
woods,
a
lot
of
people
are
missing
joey.
He
was
well
loved
and
a
well-liked
guy,
but
was
very
experienced
individual
in
terms
of
using
boats
and
experience
on
the
lake,
and
so
this
past
summer,
mustager
and
sarah
terry
came
by
my
office
and
wanted
to
talk
about
what
we
could
do
as
a
state
to
help
implement
appropriate
safety
standards
for
people
that
are
driving
boats.
H
The
first
thing
I
thought
of
is
the
resistance,
as
many
of
us
do,
and
we
try
to
file
a
bill
who's
going
to
be
opposed
to
something
like
this,
because
it
makes
sense.
We
want
to
be
safer
on
our
on
our
lakes
on
our
rivers,
and
actually
you
worry
about
people
that
are
out
there
that
are
currently
fishermen,
people
that
are
using
the
lake
for
recreation,
kayakers,
people
that
use
canoes.
They
even
use
pedal
boats,
perhaps,
and
the
worry
about
crafting
legislation
that
might
be
too
restrictive
for
a
lot
of
that.
H
So
I
put
together
a
bill
draft
before
you
that
I
haven't
pre-filed.
Yet,
although
I
was
planning
on
doing
so
in
the
next
few
weeks,
but
I'm
interested
in
feedback
also
for
members
of
this
committee
and
from
others
who
might
have
some
ideas,
it's
a
seven
page
bill
that
you
can
see
from
existing
law
currently
under
krs-235.080.
H
Basically,
the
bill
is
going
to
require,
as
of
the
effective
date
of
the
act,
that
a
person
operating
a
motorboat
or
personal
watercraft
will
carry
a
kentucky
safe
boating
certification
card,
a
recognized
equivalent
boat
operator
license
or
safe
boating
certification
from
another
state
or
country,
the
united
states
government
or
another
national
association
of
state
boating
law,
administrators
approved
course.
It's
got
to
be
present
at
the
time
of
registration
of
your
vehicle
and
really
after
after
the
july,
the
first
you'd
have
to
pay
an
extra
50.
H
If
you
don't
have
that
certification,
when
you
actually
buy
one
so
right
now,
if
you're
18,
you
could
buy
a
speed
boat,
put
it
in
the
water
and
go
without
having
really
a
lot
of
knowledge
or
having
any
kind
of
voting
safety
standards
or
anything.
As
far
as
understanding
of
what
the
rules
are
when
you
driving
a
lake,
this
would
require
at
least
the
registration
that
you
have
to
have
proof
for
that
there
are
a
couple
of
exemptions
in
the
bill.
H
If
you
look
at
page
four
under
subsection,
nine
there's
an
exemption
that
if
you
have
a
safe
boating
certificate
exemption
valid
for
14
days
from
issuance
for
voters
meeting
certain
requirements
is
available.
You
got
to
be
able
to
keep
thinking.
H
If
someone
comes
in
from
out
of
state
wants
to
use
a
boat
on
our
lakes
doesn't
have
the
appropriate
information
has
to
at
least
take
a
quick
course
online,
pass
an
examination
and
pay
a
fee
to
be
able
to
get
a
14
day
exemption
for
that
there's
also
an
exemption
for
boaters
with
proof
of
motor
boat
or
personal
watercraft
registration
in
their
name.
For
the
previous
five
years,
you
saw
by
the
data
that
jennifer
presented
that,
after
seven
years,
the
numbers
go
significantly
down.
H
There's
a
lot
of
people
who
have
been
driving
boats
in
our
lakes
and
said
hey.
This
is
just
the
government's
way
of
getting
another
fee,
adding
another
license
onto
us.
We
wanted
to
be
conscious
of
that,
so
that
people
that
have
been
experienced
out
there
and
have
five
years
or
more,
they
would
be
exempt
from
this
as
well.
There's
an
enforcement
people
often
say
we
put
bills
out
there.
H
What's
the
enforcement,
what
are
the
penalties
for
it
until
june
30th,
the
only
penalty
for
a
voter
operating
without
the
required
proof
would
be
the
issuance
of
a
courtesy
notice.
So
it
would
require
that
if
you're
on
the
lake
you've
registered
your
vehicle,
you
don't
have
the
proper
boating
certificate
and
fish
and
wildlife
pulls
you
over
and
asks
for
it,
and
you
don't
have
it
until
june
30th
2023.
H
It
would
just
be
a
courtesy
notice
to
try
to
get
people
and
encourage
them
to
go,
get
their
voting
safety
certificate
to
make
sure
they're
educated,
at
least
on
proper
boating
safety,
but
beginning
july,
the
first,
the
penalty
for
somebody
who
didn't
have
that
the
law
enforcement
would
require
documentation
would
be
a
fine
between
50
and
200
and
also
beginning
july.
1St,
at
the
time
of
registration,
voters
will
be
required
again
to
provide
proof
of
a
certification.
If
not
there's
an
extra
50.
That's
assessed
the
time
that
you're
registering
the
vote.
H
If
you
do
get
fined-
and
you
have
to
go
before
adjudication
for
that-
you
can
take
the
course
prior
to
your
moment
of
adjudication,
you
get
a
25
reduction
in
your
fine
as
well.
Because
again,
I
think
the
main
purpose
of
this
is
to
improve
to
education
on
this
and
to
help
save
lives.
We've
also
got
if
you
notice,
on
page
five
section
three
subsection
two
also
that
has
to
do
with
voting
under
the
influence
or
negligent
voting.
H
We've
added
right
now,
there's
currently
a
monetary
fine
or
you
can
be
detained
for
24
hours
on
your
first
offense,
a
fine
or
be
detained
for
48
hours
on
your
second
offense
or
up
to
30
days
on
your
third
offense.
If
you've
been
doing
that
on
the
water
we've
made
it
that
it
can
be
both
it's
an
option
before
the
judge.
H
If
they
here,
you
can
issue
a
fine
and
detain
you
as
well
on
both
of
those
that's
the
gist
of
the
bill,
I'm
sure
there
might
be
some
questions
or
people
that
are
curious
about
it,
but
we're
trying
to
again
get
get
folks.
You
know
people
that
have
been
experienced.
H
Who've
had
their
boats
out
there
for
a
while,
but
really
provide
them
an
exemption
for
five
years
or
more,
but
really
for
young
people
that
are
starting
to
come
up
just
like
many
times
when
we
started
talking
about
you
know:
seat
belt
laws
with
driving
our
cars
or
other
kinds
of
things.
It's
all
a
matter
of
habit
now
for
all
of
us
to
put
our
seat
belts
on.
We
don't
think
about
it,
because
an
entire
generation
has
been
raised
with
being
trained
that
way
when
they
get
into
a
car.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
the
testimony
by
miss
steger.
Miss
steger
is
a
constituent
of
mine,
as
was
mr
reed.
A
tragic,
tragic
loss
in
our
community.
Mr
reed
had
been,
as
she
stated,
had
been
employed
as
a
ups
driver
for
many
many
years
and
and
actually
run
the
route
that
delivered
to
my
personal
property
and
was,
and
was
an
outstanding
gentleman
in
our
community,
and
it
was.
F
In
my
opinion,
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
not
just
as
a
individual
that
knew
both
of
these
folks
over
the
course
of
several
years
in
my
life,
but
they
are
needed
because,
as
a
former
employee
of
fish
and
wildlife,
I
have
seen
tragically
events
like
this
before
and
and
and
many
many
instances
of
very
close
calls
of
things
happening
and-
and
ms
steger
was
very
prompt
and
saying
she
did
not
blame
the
individual
that
was
involved
in
the
accident.
F
F
But
here's
here's
my
quit.
I
just
have
one
question
and
I'm
going
to
follow
it
up
with
one
more
comment:
senator
alvarado,
the
you
you
were
you
mentioned
about
the
five
people,
a
five-year
experience
in
in
the
draft
that
you
have
right
there
and
we
had
me-
and
you
actually
talked
about
this,
but
could
could
you
just
real
quickly
explain
that
that
is
something
that
we
wanted
to
be
in
that
bill,
that
that
people
that
had
those
five
years
if
they
were
experienced,
and
so
that
would
kind
of
give
them
an
exemption.
H
Yes,
thank
you
representative.
If
you
look
at
page
three
at
the
bottom
of
that
there's
section
one
subsection,
eight
b4
there's
a
series
there
of
exemptions
to
the
actual
requirement.
One
of
them
is
having
you
have
to
have
one
of
the
following
kentucky:
safe
voting
certification
card,
but
also
proof
of
motor
boat
or
personal
watercraft
registration
in
the
person's
name
for
the
previous
five
years,
so
that,
if
you've
had
a
vehicle
you've
had
it
registered
for
five
years
in
a
row,
you've
been
boating
regularly.
H
We
know
there's
a
lot
of
I
thought
of
a
lot
of
people
like
a
lot
of
bass,
fishermen
or
folks
that
enjoy
going
out
and
fishing
regularly
to
say
boy.
I've
been
doing
this
for
10
12
15
20
years.
Do
I
have
to
go
out
and
prove
that
I
know
how
to
operate
my
boat
safely,
we're
going
to
say
if
you've
had
five
years
or
more
registered
under
your
name
that
you
can
be
exempted
from
this
requirement.
F
And
mr
chairman,
if
I
just
might
add
one
more
comment,
I'll
be
very
brief
and
it'll
be,
this
will
be
all
I
actually
have
spoken
to
fish
and
wildlife
and
their
officers
and
their
officers.
F
The
law
enforcement
officers
are
100
percent
on
board
with
this
legislation-
and
I
actually
spoke
to
the
commissioner
this
morning
and
and
spoke
to
him
about
this
specific
issue
and-
and
he
is
very
much
on
board
with
it
and
they
they
as
an
agency,
are
on
board
with
this,
and
they
actually
told
me
to
relay
that
anything
they
can
help
us
do.
They
would
be
glad
to
do
that.
F
So
thank
you,
senator
alvarado
and
ms
steger
again,
it's
good
to
see
you
with
us
today
excellent
excellent
presentation
that
you
gave
us,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
so
much
you're
welcome.
K
Yes,
thank
you
for
this
very
important
topic
and
I'm
just
so
sorry
for
your
loss,
very
tragic.
I
have
spent
some
of
my
most
memorable
delightful
hours
of
my
life
on
our
kentucky
lakes
and
rivers,
and
just
from
that
experience,
what
I
see
is
the
most
significant
concern.
Is
people
not
following
the
laws
we
already
have
in
place,
particularly
relating
to
driving
boats
under
the
influence
of
alcohol,
so
just
that
two
cents,
but
then
not
being
a
boater.
K
Unfortunately,
myself,
I
was
not
familiar
with
some
of
the
the
rules
for
boating
and
I
have
to
tell
you.
I
was
very
shocked
to
see
that
12
year
olds
are
legally
allowed
to
be
driving
boats,
and
you
know
we
kind
of-
I
laugh
a
little
bit
when
I
think
of
it,
but
you
could
ask
any
middle
school
teacher
what
a
good
idea
that
is-
and
they
would
say,
are
you
kidding
so
so
my
point
here
and
maybe
a
little
bit
of
an
understanding.
K
K
C
You
know,
I
think
it's
interesting
the
statistics
and
I
appreciate
bringing
up
the
statistics
from
the
deaths
and
injuries
and
so
forth,
which
is
more
than
I
really
imagined,
because
when
I
look
at
and
I
fly
for
fun,
you
have
to
go
through
a
very
laborious
process
to
make
sure
your
license
update
you
go
through
a
lot
of
safety
so
and
that's
their
less
deaths
that
occur
in
aviation
on
the
g,
a
side
than
that.
So
I
do
appreciate
appreciate
that.
C
I
wonder
if
you
can
jog
my
memory,
because
when
I
got
my
boat
license
some
some
years
ago,
I
thought
fish
and
wildlife
had
a
education
course,
and
I
have
a
little.
I
had
a
little
card
which
I
have
I
should
have
brought
it
today
and
I
forgot
I
thought
they
had
a
course
like
that
some
time
ago,
because
I
took
both
my
girls
to
it
before
they
become
familiar
in
case.
Something
has
to
be
when
I'm
driving.
C
Do
you
call
something
like
that
that
they
offer
that
either
they
do
they
do
so?
How
so
can
that
be?
Can
that
be
utilized
as
an
educational
vehicle
and
or
is
this?
Are
we
just
trying
to
codify
to
get
the
oops
to
get
the
public
out
there
to
go
through
that
and
make
it
more
force?
Because
I
can't
remember
as
a
mandatory
or
it
was
a
volunteer
that
I
did.
C
I
I
I
believe
it's
free.
If
you
go
in
person,
is
that
correct
and
then,
if
it's
online,
I
think
it's
a
35
course
test
can
be
taken
at
the
end.
You
have
60
days,
if
I
remember
correctly
from
start
to
finish,
if
you
take
it
online
to
take
the
test
at
the
end,
you
have
to
have
an
80
on
the
test
to
pass,
and
then
your
pat
you
pass
for
life.
M
I
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
ms
obviously
our
condolences
and
thank
you.
Sorry
for
your
loss.
I
grew
up
on
lake
cumberland,
it's
in
my
backyard
and
I
was
looking
at
the,
and
this
may
be
more
of
a
question
towards
senator
alvarado
on
lake
cumberland.
We
get
about
four
million
visitors
a
year.
G
The
lion's
share
of
them
are
coming
from
ohio
and
I
look
at
the
requirements
by
state
and
ohio
is
not
one
of
the
states
that
has
that
requirement
unless
I'm
missing
something,
and
so
my
concern
is
not
that
necessarily
against
having
motor
safety.
I
I
see
the
need
for
it,
but
if
we're
going
to
have
four
million
visitors
coming
to
kentucky
on
lake
cumberland
every
year,
and
you
listen
to
the
local
news,
you
know
drownings
boat
accidents,
most
of
them
are
coming
from
the
ohio
area,
at
least
from
the
local
news
standpoint.
G
From
what
I
hear.
So
how
will
we
have?
Will
there
be
some
reciprocity?
Will
these
folks
have
to
have
the
training
if
we
pass
it
in
kentucky?
How
would
we
address
you
know
those
folks
coming
into
kentucky
yeah.
H
Thank
you
representative.
I
think,
if
you
look
at
page
four,
I
don't
know
if
you
it's
a
copy
of
the
bill,
there's
on
line
10
there
there's
a
line
in
regards
to
people
being
able
to
have
an
exemption
for
a
temporary
license.
So
if
somebody
does
come
down-
and
let's
say
they
say-
hey
I
want
to-
I
want
to
operate
a
something
that
can
go
fast,
a
speed
boat
or
something
like
that.
They
want
to
rent
one.
H
You
can
get
an
exemption,
but
you've
got
to
take
a
kind
of
a
rev.
It
says:
you're
reviewing
a
department
website
or
printed
document
containing
essential
information
from
the
safe
boating
examination
and
you
take
a
10
question.
Exam
have
to
answer
eight
of
those
correctly
a
five
dollar
fee
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
operate
something
for
14
days
in
the
state
and
again.
The
basic
thing
here
is
not
so
much
to
try
to
punish
people
if
they
want
to
come
down
and
operate
a
vehicle.
Just
hey.
H
H
The
vehicle
has
been
registered
if
they've
had
it
registered
to
their
name
for
five
years
or
more,
they
could
yeah.
That
would
be
an
exemption
for
them
and,
like
I
said
it's
always
I
when,
when
we
talked
about
this
initially,
I
thought
we're
going
to
get
resistance
from
folks
who
don't
want
to
do
this,
we're
just
going
to
say
just
the
government
trying
to
get
another
fee
or
another
requirement,
and
I'm
trying
to
be
fair
and
trying
to
provide
more
of
an
educational
purpose.
H
And
again,
we've
got
a
kind
of
a
phase-in
for
this
that
by
2023,
if
they're
coming
down
every
year
and
using
our
legs
and
they
get
asked
and
they
don't
have
it
they'll
say:
okay.
Well,
here's
a
citation,
there's
no
penalty,
but
you
need
to
get
your
voting
education
done
and
once
they
get
that
and
get
their
certificate,
then
hopefully
it'll
it'll
start
getting
people
on
the
lake
more
educated
on
the
topic.
Sorry
missed
the.
G
One
more
question,
ms
stigger,
the
the
person
you
that
was
involved
in
the
accident
with
your
husband,
were
they
from
kentucky
or
were
they
from
out
of
state.
I
They
were
from
kentucky,
they
were
actually
from
a
neighboring
community,
okay
and-
and
I
have
not
gotten
to
speak
with
them-
that's
fine!
That's.
I
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
mrs
steger.
I
I
sincerely
grieve
for
you
and
sorry
for
your
loss
and
appreciate
your
attention.
You're.
Bringing
to
this.
I
I've
got
a
couple
of
houses
on
kentucky
lake
barkley
lakes.
15
minutes,
two
of
the
biggest
largest
man-made
lakes
in
in
the
country,
tourism
is,
is
really
tough
and
my
question
probably
going
to
senator
alvarado
my
concerns.
I
know
I
actually
rent
a
boat,
that's
commercially
licensed
and
our
insurance
requirements
do
require
boulder
safety,
all
that
preliminary.
P
So
I
you
know,
I
hate
duplication
of
things
so,
but
I
am
worried-
and
I
would
ask
senator-
maybe
give
us
some
information
on
tourism,
how
this
will
affect
the
the
tourism
market
and
and
how
out-of-staters
wanted
to
come
to
enjoy
our
waterways
and
everything
just
so
that
we're
we're
not
giving
kentucky
a
black
eye
where
they
move
on
to
another
state
on
something
like
that.
So
I
just
got
some
concerns
in
senator
alvarado.
I'd
be
glad
to
discuss
that
with
you
later,
but.
H
Welcome
those
discussions
and
happy,
I
haven't
talked
to
tourism
as
of
yet
I
have
reached
out
to
fish
and
wildlife,
and
I
said
representative
hill
and
I've
talked
about
the
bill,
but
more
than
willing,
I
don't
want
to
affect
tourism.
Obviously
people
come.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
beautiful
lakes.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
our
lakes
as
well,
and
we
want
to
keep
people
to
keep
coming
to
kentucky
and
enjoy
houseboats
and
enjoy
boating
and
recreation
fishing.
All
the
things
that
our
state
is
known
for.
H
I
don't
want
to
impact
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people
are
coming
and
that's
why
that
one
clause
I
included,
was
hoping
to
capture
that
that
they
could
at
least
take
a
quick
course
if
the
boat
is
registered
and
it's
under
someone's
name
that,
hopefully
becomes
almost
customary
to
say:
hey
look
you're
going
to
rent
the
boat.
I
need
you
to
read
this
material
real
quickly.
Take
this
quick
exam.
Five
dollar
fee
gets
incorporated
into
their
rent
of
the
boat
if
they
want
and
that
gets
sent
on
to
fish
and
wildlife.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
actually
co-chair.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
never
know
if
they
can
see
that
little
hand
in
the
top
left
hand
corner.
I
don't
ever
want
to
interrupt.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
D
One
of
the
issues
that
we
run
into
a
lot
is
the
requirements
of
to
operate
a
boat
in
kentucky.
There
is
no
insurance
requirement
like
it
is
automobile.
We
do
that
comparison
so
when
we
have
the
loss
of
a
loved
one
or
someone
injured
by
the
necklace
or
someone
else,
there's
no
requirement,
there's
that
there's
insurance
that
they
be
held
on
that.
I
think
that
really
only
thing
is
required
is
if
you're,
between
the
ages,
12
and
17
is
that
you
take
a
a
course
and
you
have
registration
so
senator.
D
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
forward.
I
appreciate
the
testimony,
but
that
may
be,
if
you're
open
to
it.
That
may
be
something
else
we
look
into
as
well
that
it's
just
another
level
of
accountability
and
making
sure
that
those
that
are
hurt
or
injured
by
the
negative
someone
else
can
be
taken
care
of.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
senator
yates,
central
alvarado
and
steger,
sorry
for
your
loss.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
hearing
from
you
again
as
we
get
into
session.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
Thank.
A
Next
up
is
our
representative
tipton
and
guests
from
the
national
transportation,
safety
board
and
representative
tipton.
If
you'll
get
your
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
get
your
guests
introduced
and
you
may
proceed
floor,
is
yours.
L
L
L
Okay,
okay,
I
know
I
appreciate
that,
but
you
know
recently
I
drove
down
to
nashville
to
attend
the
southern
legislative
conference.
L
Like
many
of
you
and
as
I
entered
the
state
of
tennessee,
I
noticed
that
there
was
a
sign
there
telling
about
a
new
state
law
in
tennessee,
their
phone
down
law
in
tennessee,
a
hands-free
law,
and
if
you
look
at
the
seven
surrounding
states
around
kentucky,
there
are
only
two
states
that
do
not
have
legislation
about
hands-free
of
a
device
and
those
are
missouri
and
ohio
and
ohio
has
pending
legislation
right
now
in
your
packets.
You
should
have
a
draft
of
bill
request
828.
L
It
is
very
similar
to
legislation
I
initially
filed
two
years
ago
that
was
house
bill
255.
There
are
some
revisions
in
this
year's
version.
Recently
the
national
incall
adopted
a
model
bill
on
hands-free
distracted
driver
legislation,
and
we
have
tried
to
incorporate
some
of
the
impl
of
the
components
of
that
legislation
into
our
current
draft.
L
L
L
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
address
you
today.
My
name
is
kathleen
sevilla
strack,
I'm
the
co-founder
and
ceo
of
an
organization
called
two
eyes.
Just
drive
wanted
to
share
a
story
with
you
driving
down
here
today,
I'm
from
just
north
of
cincinnati
ohio.
It
was
a
beautiful
day,
gorgeous
country
down
here,
and
it
reminded
me
of
january
29th
2015..
N
N
A
vice
commander
in
the
coast
guard
auxiliary,
a
brother
son
friend,
nephew
cousin.
He
was
also
my
only
brother
and
my
best
friend
mark
was
driving
on
71
south
near
verona.
Kentucky
that
day
he
had
a
brand
new
chevy
silverado
truck.
He
was
so
proud
of
this
truck.
He
especially
loved
the
fact
that
it
had
hands-free
technology
mark
was
the
best
driver.
I
knew
and
he
was
adamant
about
not
texting
and
driving.
N
N
He
was
looking
down
at
his
phone
reading,
one
when
he
veered
off
the
road
hit
a
broken
down
car
careened
across
the
median
and
hit
mark
at
over
70
miles
an
hour.
They
say,
mark
died
instantly.
I
pray.
That's
true.
I
can't
imagine
the
horror
that
filled
my
little
brother
as
he
saw
that
semi
hurling
towards
him.
N
N
N
N
Distracted
driving
is
100
percent
preventable,
just
like
drunk
driving,
the
difference
is
drunk
driving
has
become
socially
unacceptable
and
the
numbers
have
fallen.
That's
not
the
case
for
distracted
driving.
If
you
look
where
you're
on
the
road
you
can
see,
people
are
down
looking
at
their
phone.
All
the
time
and
distracted
driving
is
an
equal
opportunity
killer.
N
M
M
These
recommendations
represent
lessons
that
we've
learned
over
the
past
15
years
from
numerous
accident
investigations
about
just
regarding
distracted
driving
as
a
result
of
our
investigations
we've
seen
firsthand
the
distraction
is
a
growing
and
life-threatening
problem
to
reduce
the
crashes
and
injuries
and
deaths.
Drivers
completely
need
to
refrain
from
engaging
in
these
distractions.
M
M
M
However,
while
data
is
being
collected,
currently,
there's
no
reliable
method
to
accurately
determine
exactly
how
many
crashes,
indeed
involve
electronic
devices
or
other
distractions.
Therefore,
it's
impossible
to
know
the
true
scope
of
the
problem
that
percentage
that
10
percentage
is
almost
certainly
too
low.
M
M
Our
investigation
found
that
the
truck
driver
had
used
his
telephone
to
make
and
receive
calls
and
to
send
and
receive
text
messages
a
total
of
69
times
69
times,
while
driving
during
the
24
hour
period.
Prior
to
the
accident,
we
determined
that
he
failed
to
maintain
control
of
his
vehicle
because
he
was
distracted
using
his
cell
phone
at
the
time
of
the
crash,
given
the
accelerating
frequency
of
these
accidents
and
dangerous
habits
that
we've
discovered
from
our
investigations.
M
M
M
Recent
studies
by
the
aaa
foundation
for
traffic
safety
show
that
hands-free
is
not
risk-free.
A
driver's
level
of
cognitive
distraction
is
about
equal,
whether
they're
using
a
hands-free
or
a
handheld
cell
phone.
Even
voice-based
systems
may
not
eliminate
distractions
and
may
have
unintended
consequences
now.
Distractions
are
not
just
about
holding
a
device
in
the
hand
and
glancing
away
from
the
road.
It's
also
about
mentally
strained
from
the
driving
task,
because
driving
doesn't
require
100
of
a
driver's
attention.
100
percent
of
the
time.
M
We
may
think
that
multitasking
is
all
right,
but
research,
studies
and
statistics
and
the
lives
we've
lost
on
the
highways
show.
This
just
isn't
the
case.
Even
a
momentary
distraction
of
driver's
attention
from
a
driving
task,
such
as
reading
a
text
message
or
talking
on
a
phone,
can
have
catastrophic
consequences.
M
M
M
The
ntsb
believes
a
significant
number
of
lives
can
be
saved
and
injuries
avoided.
If
kentucky
strengthens
its
law
to
include
the
non-emergency
use
of
all
portable
electronic
devices,
we
must
establish
a
culture
of
safety
that
deems
distracted
driving
unacceptable,
just
as
we
do
for
impaired
driving
bill
request.
828
that
representative
higdon
has
presented
to
you
does
send
a
clear
message.
Distracted
driving
is
unacceptable.
M
O
Yeah,
I
am
sharing
my
screen
now.
Is
that
shared
it
is
okay?
Thank
you.
I
had
a
bad
experience
at
the
in
coil
meeting
that
it
wasn't
sharing,
but
I
thought
it
was
so
I
always
double
check
so
hello.
Thank
you,
chairman,
higman,
and
of
church
and
the
other
committee
members
for
having
us
here
today
to
discuss
this
very
important
life-saving
legislation.
O
O
These
families
have
worked
tirelessly
since
losing
their
loved
ones
and
having
their
whole
lives
changed
to
save
others
it
it
doesn't
help
anything.
It
doesn't
bring
our
loved
ones
back,
but
it
can
help
protect
yours.
As
mentioned.
There
are
24
states
now
that
have
hands-free
legislation
in
the
country.
O
Georgia
was
the
first
and
we
followed
that
with
minnesota
arizona,
tennessee
maine,
massachusetts,
virginia
indiana
and
idaho,
as
you
can
see,
michigan
pennsylvania
and
ohio
do
still
have
legislation
pending
this
session
in
2021,
when
looking
at.
Why
we
need
these
laws,
we
need
to
look
at
how
we're
using
our
phones
and
that's
why
we
need
to
change
the
the
laws
to
continue
to
work
with
the
evolution
of
the
technology,
we're
not
just
talking
on
the
phone,
we're
not
just
texting.
O
We
are
doing
so
many
other
things
through
data
transmissions
and
if
you
see
in
2020
our
data
transmission
skyrocketed
even
more
than
normally-
and
this
is
from
2019,
so
it
I
figured
these
numbers
are
up
too.
Drivers
are
seen,
manipulating
their
phones
up
to
57
more
drivers.
The
minutes
people
are
talking
on,
the
phone
are
actually
going
down
based
on
cell
phone
industry
data.
O
The
actual
number
of
text
messages
also
sent
is
also
going
down
based
on
that
industry
data
and
that's
because
people
are
using
messaging
services,
instant
messaging
snapchat,
you
know
doing
things
similar
to
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
any
children,
grandchildren
or
through
college
age,
those
people,
those
age,
people
don't
use
phones,
they
don't
call
they
facebook,
they
facetime
you,
they
virtual
call.
O
They
do
everything
live
so
they're
doing
these
while
they're
driving-
and
this
is
some
insurance
data-
that's
just
showing
that
even
since
covet
hit
with
the
pandemic
that
our
distractions
behind
the
wheel
have
really
skyrocketed,
we
were
seeing
decreases.
We
were
really
making
a
lot
of
progress
from
getting
laws
passed
and
the
public.
Knowing
we
had
an
issue
and
then
we
had
to
change
those
then
covet
hit,
and
it
changed
everything
I'm
gonna
skip
through
these
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
I
know
we
are
short
on
time.
O
O
With
this
law,
you
can
still
use
your
phone
it
just
it
needs
to
be
in
a
hands-free
mode,
because
what
law
enforcement
was
having
a
difficult
time
enforcing
texting
laws,
because
you
can
say.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
was
on
gps.
I
was
dialing
or
something
similar
and
it
makes
it
impossible.
So
the
results
of
hands-free
laws.
We've
got
a
lot
of
data
known
to
show
it.
The
american
academy
of
pediatrics
was
able
to
show
that
hands-free
laws
are
associated
with
the
greatest
reduction
in
motor
vehicle
fatality
fatal
crashes.
O
Recently,
another
study
was
just
point
put
out
from
the
center
of
injury,
research
and
policy
from
nationwide
children's
hospital
in
columbus.
That
also
showed
there
were
hands-free
laws
linked
to
fewer
deaths,
and
also,
if
you
look
at
the
bottom,
it
can
save
a
lot
of
money.
O
Georgia,
like
I
said,
was
the
first.
So
this
is
the
state
we
have
the
most
relevant
data
and
I'll
skip
through
this
quickly.
Within
that
first
year,
fatalities
were
down
3.4
percent.
Since
the
law
has
been
enacted.
We
have
seen
a
total
4.5
reduction
in
crashes
there
if
you
adjust
that
for
the
population
growth,
it's
about
a
12
reduction.
O
This
is
the
most
important
side.
This
is
the
telematics
data
from
the
state
of
georgia.
The
day
the
law
went
into
effect
was
july.
1St
of
2018..
You
see
there
was
a
huge
drop
in
drivers.
This
is
showing
drivers
typing
and
swiping,
so
these
are
drivers
that
were
typing
and
swiping
less
on
that
day
and
that
continued
to
trend
downward,
because
we
as
drivers
know
this
is
dangerous
and
we
shouldn't
do
it.
O
O
We
were
able
to
see
the
lowest
amount
of
distracted
driving
crashes
in
over
a
decade
in
indiana,
and
that
was
with
them
just
giving
warnings.
During
that
period
it
doesn't
cost
any
additional
money
money
for
constituents
to
comply.
You
can
get
a
mount
they're
low
cost.
You
can
get
them
one
to
five
dollars
anywhere
and
you
can
also
download
a
free
app
on
your
phone
that
works
with
voice
activation
and
the
main
points
of
these
of
a
hands-free
law.
O
Just
to
finish
it
up
is
that
this
is
going
to
enable
law
enforcement
to
enforce
the
laws
without
the
loopholes.
This
is
a
clear
interpretation.
The
driver
and
officers
know
if
you
have
the
phone
in
your
hand,
you
are
in
violation
and
that's
how
we're
seeing
results.
In
many
states,
law
enforcement
has
training
on
this
developed
in
many
different
methods.
They
have
for
a
long
time
and
the
public
is
overwhelmingly
in
support
in
a
lot
of
states.
O
A
L
Proceed,
these
are
wonderful
pieces
of
technology,
besides
being
in
the
legislature,
I'm
a
licensed
real
estate
broker.
So
I'm
on
my
phone
a
lot,
it's
important
to
my
business
and
many
others,
but
I
think
with
any
piece
of
technology
like
a
phone,
we
develop
bad
habits
and
myself
included
a
lot
of
drivers.
I
think
we've
developed
a
lot
of
bad
habits
over
the
years
with
how
we
utilize
this
piece
of
technology
and
it's
my
hope
that,
as
we
move
forward,
this
legislation
number
one.
L
I
want
to
make
people
aware
of
this
and
I've
had
other
people
say
you
know
what
I
hadn't
really
thought
about
it
that
way,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
move
forward
again.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
to
to
kind
of,
as
jennifer
mentioned
several
years
ago,
we
passed
laws
on
texting
this
law.
At
that
time,
we've
got
a
lot
more
apps
available
to
us.
Since
the
texting
came
forward.
L
Facebook,
twitter,
you
mentioned
it-
you
can
go
on
there
a
lot
of
things
that
can
distract
people
while
they're
driving.
But
I
think
this
is
an
important
step
forward
for
us
be
hope
to
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
A
L
I
have
seen
statistics
on
the
number
of
citations
that
have
been
issued.
I
think,
if
I'm
correct
over
that
11
year
period,
there's
been
like
a
little
over
ten
000
citations
issued
across
the
state
on
texting
a
couple
years
ago.
I'd
seen
some
statistics
and
I'll
certainly
look
up
that
and
get
that
to
the
committee
members.
I'm
sure
there
are
some
data
out
there
on
that.
B
L
L
L
This
is
a
little
earpiece
you
can
get
there
are
there
are
options
out
there
for
people
to
utilize?
What
this
says
is
you
cannot
hold
this
a
phone
or
other
electronic
device
in
either
hand
or
part
of
your
body.
It
does
not
eliminate
you
from
talking
on
the
phone
or
using
the
phone.
The
legislation.
As
you
see,
if
you've
got
a
phone
mounted,
it
would
allow
you
to
use
one
finger
to
initiate
a
function.
Somebody
makes
a
call
you
can
push
that
button.
L
It
would
not
prevent
you
from
using
the
maps
on
your
phone
now,
hopefully
you're
not
going
to
input
the
address
to
your
maps
function
while
you're
driving,
but
it
wouldn't.
It
would
not
prevent
you
from
using
the
phone,
but
it
would
set
limitations
on
you
having
having
that
in
your
hand-
and
I
think,
as
we
all
recognize,
these
things
are
addictive
and
I'll
share
a
story.
A
couple
years
ago
I
was
here
in
frankfurt
at
night
I
was
stopped
at
a
traffic
light
out
here
on
127.
L
two
lanes,
both
directions,
the
light
changed,
green
and
a
couple
of
vehicles
moved
and
the
vehicle
in
front
of
me
was
sitting
still.
So
I
finally
pulled
around
that
vehicle.
There
was
an
individual
just
sitting
there
in
traffic
for
several
seconds.
They
lost
all
sense
of
what
was
going
on
around
them.
So
again,
you
can
still
use
your
phone.
You
can
still
talk
on
your
phone,
but
it
does
set
some
limitations
on
actually
having
that
in
your
hand,
okay,.
B
And
this
law
would
basically
be
like
an
enhanced
penalty,
because
you,
unless
you
catch
it,
the
ideal
situation
is
a
cop,
goes
down
the
other
going
down
the
road
and
sees
somebody
with
one
in
the
hand
and
then
pulls
them
over
is
that
is
that
about
the
only
way
you'll
catch?
Somebody
doing
this
unless
there's
an
accident
and
then
you'd
investigate
like
like,
was
discussed
earlier
after
the
fact.
Is
that
so
that's
what
maybe
enhanced
penalty
type
of
bill
is
that.
L
Well,
as
was
mentioned
before,
a
lot
of
people
try
and
use
the
loophole
right
now.
The
statute
says
you
can't
text
and
drive.
So
if
a
law
enforcement
officer
sees
you
with
a
phone
in
your
hand
and
they
pull
you
over,
he
said
well,
I
wasn't
texting.
I
was
inputting
a
phone
number
or
or
whatever
and
again
the
way
the
legislation
is
written.
This
will
enable
law
enforcement
to
more
effectively
enforce
this,
because
if
they
actually
see
someone
with
a
phone
or
electronic
device
in
their
hand,
they
could
issue
a
citation
to
that
individual.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
looking
at
my
car
basically
tells
me
to
to
you
can't
go
anywhere
until
until
you
finish
inputting
the
information
on
where
you're
going
so
go
on.
So
that's
it's
like
a
total
idiot
proof
for
for
when
I
drive,
but
I
want
to
ask
you
questions
more
down
the
road,
and
that
is,
I
appreciate
the
statistics
in
terms
of
how
much
the
impact
of
this
law
has,
particularly
in
georgia
and
so
forth,
but
in
terms
of
getting
the
word
out
publicizing.
C
L
I
will
share
that
there
is
language
in
the
bill
that
the
actual
penalty
phase
would
not
start
till
october.
First
of
2022,
so
there'd
be
approximately
a
three
month
period
where
individuals
would
be
receive
a
warning
from
law
enforcement.
I
have
been
in
touch
with
the
kentucky
transportation
cabinet.
L
You've
probably
heard
a
lot
of
their
advertising
buckle
up
kentucky
phone
down.
That
is
something
they're
already
in
doing
and
trying
to
encourage.
So
there's
no
actual
provision
in
here
for
for
the
for
a
specific
group
to
do
that.
But
I
believe
there
are
enough
groups
out
there.
Our
insurance
industry
would
be
a
great
example.
They're
behind
this
we've
talked
about
safety,
there's
also
a
consideration
of
the
rising
cost
of
insurance
premiums
due
to
accidents
that
could
be
prevented.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
as
I
understand
it,
you're
saying
that
if
I've
turned
that
phone
on
and
I'm
talking,
I
can't
do
that
anymore
unless
I'm
written
stop
get
for
a
ticket.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
excited.
L
I've
had
this
discussion
with
other
people
before.
If
I
could
expand
on
this,
and
there
are
many
distractions
out
there,
you
see
a
deer
on
the
side
of
the
road.
You
see
something
that
distracts
you
temporarily
we're
talking
about
the
level
of
distraction,
and
I
know
we
could.
We
could
make
this
thing
and
include
all
those
other
things,
but
we're
talking
about
a
device
that
just
overwhelms
so
many
people
and
they
lose
track
of
where
they
are,
and
I
understand
the
point
you're
trying
to
make.
L
I
go
through
fast
food,
restaurants,
all
the
time
in
dry
freeze,
sometimes
that's
the
only
option
anymore,
but
what
we're
trying
to
prevent
is
we're
trying
to
make
people
think
about
what
they're
doing
while
they're
on
the
road
and
trying
to
this
is
a
habit
that
we
need
to
break
and
I
think
what
we're
doing
is
trying
to
encourage
people
and
and
unfortunately,
sometimes
the
way
you
do.
That
is
through
a
change
in
the
law
and
an
enforcement
in
a
penalty
phase.
L
B
I,
as
a
representative
of
hundreds
of
thousand
people,
have
to
consider
the
impact
this
will
have
and
I,
as
a
lawyer
that
do
this
regularly
turn
my
phone
on
and
talk
while
I'm
driving,
and
I
don't
think
my
brain
is
distracted,
I'm
just
listening
to
that
and
I'm
not
distracted,
no
more.
In
fact
less
than
anything
but
you're
telling
us.
I
believe
from
my
understanding.
I
apologize
if
I'm
wrong
that,
if
I
put
it
on
my
speaker
in
my
car
that
I
can
listen
to
that
and
drive,
is
that
correct.
L
That
is
correct
if
you've
got
if
you've
got
a
built-in
integrated
device
or
if
you
have,
you
could
actually
have
your
phone
on
a
holder.
You
can
have
an
earpiece.
If
you
don't
have
integrated
devices
the
way
the
legislation
is
written,
you
just
cannot
have
a
phone
or
device
in
your
hand
or
supported
by
any
part
of
your
body.
B
L
You'd,
be
you
don't
have
to
take
every
call
a
lot
of
calls.
I
don't
take,
but
what's
preventing
you
what
the
legislation
would
do
is
it
would
prevent
someone
from
holding
a
phone
or
personal
device,
that's
in
their
hand
or
supported
by
their
body?
That's
essence
of
what
the
legislation
would
do,
but
we
can.
L
It
does
not
address
anything
but
a
personal
electronic
device.
Sir.
A
Mr
miss
smith,
and
thank
you
for
being
on
online
with
us
today
and
miss
track,
so
sorry
for
your
loss
and
thank
you
for
being
here
today,
mr
blackstone.
Thank
you.
I
know
you
traveled
far
today
and
thank
you
for
being
here,
representative
tipton.
Thank
you
and
appreciate
you
bringing
this
issue
forward.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you.
If
you
don't
mind,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
the
floor
is
yours.
J
J
I
want
to
thank
chairman
of
church
and
chairman
higdon
and
members
of
the
transportation
committee
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
with
you
today
and
introduce
my
spell
and
introduce
myself
to
you
and
speak
to
you
about
kentuckians
for
better
transportation.
I'd
like
to
start
by
referring
to
the
document
that
you
have
in
your
packets.
J
It
has
been
provided
to
you
and
is
the
culmination
of
our
strategic
plan
that
occurred
in
2020.
a
little
bit
of
background
at
kbt
we
were
established
in
1977,
one
of
the
oldest
membership
associations
of
its
kind
in
the
united
states.
Members
represent
a
broad
and
diverse
network
of
professionals
focused
on
improving
transportation,
including
airports,
highways
public
transit,
rail
and
waterways.
J
Our
main
goal
is
to
achieve
sustainable
funding
for
all
modes
of
transportation
and
policies
that
ensure
mobility,
promote
economic
growth
and
an
improved
quality
of
life.
I
want
to
take
a
minute
to
focus
on
two
of
those
words
I
just
read:
sustainable
and
mobility
sustainable
because
we
believe
in
a
judicious
use
of
resources
and
resource
planning.
This
means
analyzing
resources
and
funds
in
a
region
or
within
a
budget
and
providing
equitable
distribution.
J
J
Mobility,
recognizes
integration
and
connectivity,
the
ability
to
move
or
to
move
to
be
moved
freely.
This
applies
to
a
person
commuting
to
work
on
the
roads
and
bridges,
cargo
from
one
of
our
international
airports
or
global
shipping
hubs.
Exports
by
rail
or
riverport
and
rural
kentuckians,
using
public
transit
to
visit
a
doctor,
mobility
and
sustainability
lead
to
a
prosperous
economy
that
functions
efficiently
and
provides
a
favorable
quality
of
life
for
our
citizens.
J
Moving
to
some
of
the
objectives
of
our
plan,
our
first
two
objectives
clearly
state
that
we
support
increases
in
transportation,
revenue
to
invest
in
our
infrastructure
and
thereby
our
people
and
our
economy.
I
go
back
to
the
word
sustainable
to
build
resilient
and
modern
transportation
systems.
This
does
not
always
mean
choosing
the
lowest
cost
solution.
Wise
investment
leads
to
effective
planning
and
a
well-built
safe
community.
J
Our
revenue
stream
must
keep
current
with
our
fast
pace
and
dynamic
times.
This
requires
the
modernization
of
user
fees,
allocating
funds
in
perpetuity
for
planning
purposes
and
sound
policy
decisions
and
a
holistic
approach
to
our
transit
system
to
create
a
synergistic
transit
system.
It's
imperative
that
we
take
a
multi-modal
approach,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there's
a
wealth
of
daily
examples
that
highlight
the
importance
of
each
transit's
moat
each
mode's
importance
in
the
well-being
of
the
greater
whole.
J
One
recent
example
that
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
is
the
paving
of
the
runway
at
the
bluegrass
airport
in
lexington
in
72
hours,
400
employees
and
12
12-hour
choreographed
shifts.
In
addition
to
months
of
planning
and
workshops,
nearly
a
half
a
mile
of
runway
was
paved
that
welcomes
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
to
the
bluegrass
each
year.
This
project
was
the
culmination
of
our
skilled
workforce
and
companies
across
rail,
air
and
roads
in
a
collaborative
and
cooperative
method
to
again
advance
the
greater
whole.
J
Our
fourth
objective
is
focusing
on
the
connection
between
transit
and
economic
vitality.
When
we
analyze
the
roi
of
transit,
we
can
do
so
qualitatively
and
quantitatively,
and
the
essence
of
both
are
one.
In
the
same,
when
we
discuss
the
attributes
of
site
selection
criteria,
transit
opportunities
often
tops
the
list
for
business.
This
means
this
may
require
an
analysis
of
their
tms
or
transportation
management
system,
such
as
the
cost
of
exporting
goods,
material
availability,
ease
of
access
for
the
workforce.
J
Also,
more
and
more,
we
have
seen
quality
of
life
as
a
prominent
factor
for
business
recruitment,
while
more
qualitative
companies
want
to
move
to
locations
that
have
safe,
accessible
and
sustainable
transit
systems
for
themselves,
their
families
and
their
employees.
This
may
include
bike
paths,
buses
and
less
congested
roadways.
J
Additionally,
access
leads
to
better
customer
service
and
increased
visibility.
Our
final
objection
is
to
focus
on
our
internal
operations
for
staff
and
board
members.
We
recognize
that
to
be
effective,
we
must
stay
in
touch
with
the
needs
of
our
state,
have
a
diverse
board
that
spans
all
modes
and
be
thought
leaders
to
encourage
innovation.
J
I
began
on
december
1st
and
came
from
a
career
of
economic
and
development
and
tourism
in
danville
boyle
county
in
my
previous
life,
and
what
kind
of
feels
like,
maybe
a
previous
la
my
previous
career.
I
was
a
research
scientist
and
I
worked
on
stem
cell
research,
vaccinations
and
cancer
therapeutics.
J
So
how
did
I
end
up
here
my
family
relocated
to
kentucky
in
2009,
and
I
took
a
break
from
research
and
development
to
stay
home
and
raise
my
young
boys.
As
I
returned
to
the
workforce,
I
became
an.
I
had
become
an
active
volunteer
in
many
different
organizations
and
developed
a
real
passion
for
community
development,
so
I
convinced
them
to
hire
me
and
throughout
my
10
years,
plus
in
development.
I
realized
that
much
of
the
tangible
change
we
are
trying
to
foster
relies
wholeheartedly
on
an
effective
transportation
network.
J
For
me,
it
was
the
common
denominator
and
the
foundation
of
the
progress
and
growth
that
follows
to
meld
kbt,
transit
leadership
and
economic
development.
I
want
to
point
to
an
example
from
our
mid-year
event
in
may,
where
I'm
sorry
in
june,
when
we
hosted
joby
aviation
they're,
a
globally
traded
aerospace
company,
developing
electric
vertical
takeoff
and
landing
aircraft
that
intends
to
operate
as
an
air
taxi
service
by
2023..
J
I
encourage
you
to
google
joey
aviation
because
seeing
is
believing
you
will
see
additionally
in
your
packets,
we've
included
a
synopsis
of
the
itinerary
that
we
created
for
their
visit.
We
greatly
expanded
on
what
it
means
to
host
a
speaker
and
turned
it
into
a
whirlwind
tour
of
our
avi
aviation
assets,
presentations
about
our
robust
aviation
education
programs
and
connected
the
dots
to
not
only
be
a
location
for
joby
to
provide
their
services,
but
as
a
manufacturing
site
as
well.
J
Specifically,
we
are
working
to
advance
opportunities
at
general
aviation
airports
for
future
development
and
revenue
generation
with
the
advancement
of
battery
technology.
The
possibilities
are
endless.
Advanced
air
mobility,
evitals
and
aviation
are
not
the
only
transit
sector
that
we
are
witnessing
the
electrification
of
transportation.
J
It's
imperative
that
we
embrace
this
technology
make
plans
to
utilize
the
federal
funds
and
capture
these
opportunities
for
kentucky.
We
are
a
state
that
is
advantageously
located
within
the
us
and
in
order
to
maximize
our
growth
and
logistics,
we
must
engage
in
this
movement
further.
We
must
explore
the
modernization
of
current
revenue
streams,
such
as
electric
vehicle
fees,
charging
station
locations
and
moving
to
a
true
user
system
of
measuring
vehicle
miles,
traveled
or
road
user
charges.
J
Kbt
is
an
unbiased,
non-partisan
voice
that
provides
facts
and
data
to
educate
and
advocate
for
transportation
issues.
Statewide.
We
intend
to
be
the
credible,
knowledgeable
voice
that
brings
these
ideas
for
discussion
and
works
towards
agreeable
outcomes.
We
are
here
to
be
the
resource
that
you
need
as
legislators
to
help
you
ask
questions
and
find
the
right
answers.
We
are
transparent,
ethical
and
collaborative
our
collaboration
is
across
modes
companies,
government
organizations
and
all
inclusive
of
the
citizens
of
kentucky
post
iija.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
I'll.
This
will
be
brief,
but
you
know
thank
you
for
being
here
jennifer
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
to
to
learn
more
about
what
you're
doing
and
what
the
the
the
kbt
does,
of
course.
But
obviously
infrastructure
is
big,
big
news
right
now
and
just
if
you
can
give
a
brief
explanation
of
how
the
kbt
might
be
tied
to
or
what
they
will
do
related
to
the
1.2
trillion
dollar
transportation
infrastructure
bill
and
specifically
about
the
roughly
10
billion
dollars
that
will
be
coming
to
kentucky.
J
First,
I
would
say
that
what
I
have
learned
in
this
position
about
the
iija
so
far
is
that,
while
it
is
a
welcome
and
much
needed
influx
of
funds,
it's
it's
going
to
only
chip
away
at
a
small
part
of
what
we
actually
need
to
accomplish.
So
we're
talking
about
a
budget
of
about
1.8
billion
and
the
iija.
J
The
last
numbers
I
saw
will
amount
to
about
137
million
dollars
additionally
per
year,
so
we
can
definitely
get
some
good
maintenance
and
repair,
but
my
fear
would
be
is
that
we're
still
not
capturing
the
advancement
and
the
modernization
that
we
require?
So
we
need
to
stay
steadfast
on
what
that
means.
I
think
in
particular
the
funding
available
for
electric
vehicle
charging.
We
must
utilize
that
the
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
now
that
I
think
is
most
relevant
is
that
a
lot
of
these
funds
will
require
a
match
to
draw
down
the
federal
funds.
J
And
what
we've
seen
in
the
past,
specifically
with
the
I-69
project
in
henderson,
is
that,
in
order
to
draw
down
the
federal
funds,
you
have
to
be
a
attractive
applicant,
a
competitive
applicant
and
so
often
the
competition
is,
it
may
require
a
20
match,
but
there's
our
competiting
states,
even
our
neighboring
states,
are
putting
in
35
to
40
percent.
So
in
order
for
us
to
realize
these,
I
ija
funds,
we
need
to
plan
and
work
together
in
kentucky
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
the
match
and
maximize
the
funds.
J
They're
not
just
going
to
be
directly
given
to
us.
So
I
think
we
have
to
keep
our
eyes
on
the
prize
of
what
a
sustainable
funding
system
looks
like
and
then,
of
course,
also
moving.
I
think,
ultimately,
to
a
vehicle
miles
traveled.
So
there's
research
opportunities
within
that
funding
bill
also,
but
there's
a
lot
to
learn
so
we'll
have
our
our
nose
to
the
grindstone
reading
and
keeping
abreast
of
the
different
types
of
policies
and
procedures
again.
So
we
can
maximize
the
funds.
B
And
we
certainly
are
hoping
that
anything
that
the
kbt
kbt
can
do
to
assist
us
in
moving
that
project
forward
and
we're
recognizing
that
the
the
grant
process
is
really
important.
J
B
J
A
I've
been
distracted.
Excuse
me,
we
had
a
sidebar
here,
we
had
a
sidebar
and
so
well,
we
do
have
we
thought
we'd
been
hacked.
We
look
on
the
monitor
here
and
obviously
it's
senator
wheeler.
A
That's
really
distracted
us,
but
senator
wheeler,
saint
wheeler.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know
one
thing
that
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
regarding,
I
guess
tracking
folks
mileage
of
some
privacy
concerns.
Yes,
particularly
with
electric
vehicles.
You
know
something
that
I
thought
perhaps
maybe
a
better
way
to
do.
It
would
be
to
base
the
tax
on
the
price
of
the
vehicle,
because
obviously
some
of
these
things
are
substantially
more
expensive
than
others.
J
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
would
say
first
and
foremost,
we
are
well
past
the
point
of
being
tracked.
As
we
heard
earlier,
everyone
has
one
of
those
little
phones
in
in
their
possession
and
in
their
car,
and
that
does
a
vast
amount
of
more
tracking
than
some
of
these
traveler
miles.
Traveled
systems
that
we've
seen
a
lot
of
the
technology
is
new
and
there's
more
questions
than
answered,
I
think,
with
the
iija
fund.
J
It
would
allow
us
the
opportunity
to
have
some
grants,
so
we
could
fit
how
that
is
measured
with
kentuckians
and
what
we
would
appreciate
in
other
states.
I
have
seen
it's
truly
no
more
than
your
registration
information
and
then
what
your
odometer
says.
So
I
have
not
seen
to
my
knowledge
anything
that
would
be
a
privacy
issues,
the
way
that
the
technology
is
developing
and
I
think
that
our
our
cell
phones
are
probably
more
of
a
concern
there
than
than
this
user
system
would
be.
A
Thank
you
and
jennifer
again
thank.
J
A
Being
with
us
today
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
again.
A
Andrew
identify
yourself
here
shortly
and
and
the
floor
is
yours,
but
I
do
want
to
give
you
credit
for
this
time
last
year
made
a
presentation
and
about
the
use
of
road
funds
for
other
things
other
than
the
building
roads
and
I'll
give
you
credit
for
bringing
that
to
us
and
senator
mcdaniel
and
chairman
petry
for
their
work
to
take
180
million
dollars
from
the
general
fund
direct
it
back
to
the
transportation
cabinet
and,
like
I
said,
I
think
that
was
a
a
good
move
on
on
our
part
and,
like
I
said
you,
you
had
brought
that
forward,
so
I
will
give
you
some
of
the
credit
for
that.
Q
Well,
thank
you
for
that,
mr
chairman,
and
the
credit
goes
to
the
general
assembly
for
making
those
decisions
in
the
process
of
evaluating
the
the
budget.
You
know,
as
you
know,
those
funds
were
road
fund
resources
to
begin
with,
that
had
been
transferred
to
the
department
of
justice
during
the
about
the
2009-2010
era.
Q
Yeah
and
it
was,
it-
was
just
correcting
a
historic
misallocation
of
the
resources
and
have
a
couple
of
more
ideas
for
this
session
of
looking
at
where
some
of
those
road
fund
resources
and
those
reallocations
could
be
opportunities
going
forward.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Setting
finding
my
presentation
do
I
find
it
on
this
laptop.
Q
So,
thank
you
again,
chairman
higdon
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
andrew
mcneil,
I'm
a
policy
fellow
with
the
bluegrass
institute
at
bowling
green
I've
worked
in
policy
in
frankfurt
for
about
20
years
now
in
in
various
capacities,
and
you
know
just
revealing
sort
of
my
point
of
view
on
issues
that
I
examine.
I
I
do
have
a
bias
if
you
will
towards
free
markets.
Q
Q
Over
time,
I've
learned
that
we
need
to
be
as
aware
of
efforts
by
business
seeking
favor
at
the
expense
of
taxpayers,
as
we
are
concerned
with
overreach
by
governments,
both
distort
markets
and
hurt
kentucky's
business
climate.
A
Q
Q
A
single
bid
means
exactly
what
it
sounds
like
only
one
bidder
for
a
particular
project,
a
single
big
contracts
that
exceed
the
engineers
estimates
are
contracts
awarded
to
bidders,
despite
the
fact
that
the
price
that's
proposed
exceed
the
cabinet's
cost
estimates
for
that
project.
It
happens
statewide
and
it's
overwhelmingly
related
to
asphalt,
paving
and
asphalt
resurfacing
contracts.
Q
This
slide
provides
more
detail
on
single
bid
awards.
This
year,
151
single
big
contracts
have
been
awarded
based
on
bids
that
were
higher
than
the
cabinet's
estimates.
Q
The
cost
is
actually
in
excess
of
that,
in
that
research
has
shown
that
if
you
can
have
a
second
bidder
in
for
a
contract
that
is
going
to
reduce
the
price
of
the
contract
by
about
10,
but
for
the
sake
of
comparing
it
against
the
cabinets,
cost
estimates,
7.8
million
is
the
amount
that
has
been
awarded
above
and
beyond
the
cost
of
their
internal
estimates.
Q
One
thing
to
stress
single
bids
are
a
symptom
from
stemming
from
a
lack
of
competition.
Now
I
know
that
that
is
overly
simplistic
statement,
but
the
goal
shouldn't
be
to
simply
prevent
the
cabinet
from
awarding
single
bit
contracts.
It's
a
band-aid
on
the
larger
problem.
The
goal
should
be
more
competitive
bidding,
especially
for
asphalt
projects.
Q
Why
is
there
a
lack
of
competition?
Well,
a
university
of
kentucky
economists
examined
this
question.
While
the
answer
is
multi-faceted.
One
clear
illustration
of
the
problem
is
in
the
lexington
region
examining
asphalt
contracts
from
2005-2007,
the
research
revealed
road
contractors
in
central
kentucky
appear
to
honor
another
company's
territory
which
are
defined
by
county
lines.
Q
The
quote
above
lays
it
out.
The
four
companies
would
bid
and
win
contracts
in
their
counties,
while
refraining
from
submitting
bids
across
county
lines
if
it
meant
competing
against
another
company.
The
authors
of
this
paper
call
this
tacit
collusion,
resulting
in
a
large
number
of
single
big
contracts.
Q
The
pattern
of
this
behavior
is
usually
explained
as
a
function
of
the
distance
of
a
project
from
a
company's
asphalt
plant.
The
research
by
the
university
of
kentucky
economist
explained
it
and
painted
a
different
picture
of
the
red
dots
on
these
maps.
Represent
contracts
won
by
a
contractor,
while
black
circles
represent
projects.
The
contractor
declined
to
bid
on.
Q
For
example,
a
bourbon
county
contractor
was
submitting
and
winning
bids
in
harrison
and
nicholas
counties,
projects
which
were
a
further
distance
from
opportunities
in
clark,
fayette
and
scott,
where
the
contractor
wasn't
bidding
of
the
three
other
companies
in
scott
fayette
and
clark
appear
to
be
following
or
have
followed.
The.
J
Q
Q
So
that
research
was
published
in
2015
from
data
covering
2005
to
2007.,
I
decided
to
evaluate
the
cabinet's
contract
awards
for
the
four
counties.
From
the
last
three
years.
I
chose
a
three-year
time
frame
to
show
that
this
isn't
a
partisan
exercise.
This
isn't
singling
out
the
current
administration.
Q
These
problems
have
existed
for
decades
and
I'm
not
the
first
person
to
raise
these
questions.
My
analysis
is
less
thorough,
but
it
does
reveal
enough
to
suggest
much
of
the
same
bidding
behavior
exists
today
of
the
59
contracts
awarded
in
the
four
counties.
I
found
only
four
times
that
any
of
these
companies
submitted
a
bid
across
county
lines.
Q
Each
of
the
four
companies
were
awarded
a
majority
share
of
the
single
big
contracts
within
their
respective
counties.
Most
of
the
single
big
contracts
awarded
were
for
asphalt.
Paving
fayette
county
is
especially
questionable
where
two
out
of
three
contracts
awarded
over
the
past
three
years
have
been
single
bitter.
Q
Q
That's
why
we
believe
we
need
a
thorough
examination
to
understand
why
this
lack
of
competition
in
fact
exists.
The
general
assembly
is
a
policy
making
body
for
the
commonwealth
and
should
direct
the
auditor's
office
to
examine
the
transportation.
Cabinet's
bidding
practices,
policy
makers,
taxpayers
and
the
cabinet
itself
can
benefit
from
an
objective
review
of
kytc's
bidding.
Q
Q
Competition
will
maximize
the
value
of
every
dollar
dedicated
to
investing
in
our
infrastructure
and
an
audit
of
the
transportation's
cabinet's
bidding
practices
will
both
improve
kentucky's
business
climate
and
show
the
taxpayers.
The
general
assembly
is
committed
to
being
good
stewards
of
the
tax
dollars
sent
to
frankfort.
A
Thank
you,
andrew,
and
the
wanted
to
ask.
I
think
you
showed
where
there
was
seven
million
dollars
over
on
the
no
via
contracts.
Did
you
ever
do
any
calculations
of
those
that
were
under
bid
the
the
balance
that
was
there
a
balance
where
there
was
contracts?
The
majority
of
contracts
were
either
right
at
the
the
amount
or
under
bid.
Q
What
you
see
in
other
parts
of
the
state
and
with
certain
road
contractors,
is
that
there's
this
pattern
of
submitting
bids
single
bids
that
exceed
the
engineer's
estimate.
So
to
your
question,
I
have
not
calculated
that
and
I
I
I
again
want
to
emphasize
that
the
award
of
single-bit
contracts
that
are
under
the
engineer's
estimate
is
obviously
a
preferable
outcome
to
single
big
contracts
that
come
in
above
the
engineer's
estimate.
But
what
we're
really
talking
about
here
is
how
do
you
design
bidding
processes
so
that
there
is
competition?
Q
Single
bids
that
continuously
come
in
under
the
engineer's
estimate?
Again
is
a
better
outcome
than
than
the
alternative.
What
we're
expecting
and
would
hope
from
a
examination
of
the
cabinet's
processes
is
just
more
competition
across
the
board.
Yeah.
A
And
you
made
you
brought
a
lot
of
these
same
points
up
last
year
and
I
know
center.
I
mean
representative
santoro
included
much
of
your
language
in
a
in
the
bill
that
he
proposed
last
year.
I
don't
remember
the
the
bill
number,
but
it
will
he
can't
either,
but
he
he
did
include
that.
So
we
have
a
question.
Representative
smith.
Has
a
question.
G
Could
the
lack
of
competition
be
because
of
the
cost
of
a
startup
companies
the
size
you
you
referenced,
ats
hinkle,
I'm
familiar
with
those
companies
and
the
size
of
those
companies
and
the
cost,
I'm
sure
that
they
have
for
fluctuation
in
employees
the
cost
of
goods?
Today?
How
would
you
estimate
what
it's
going
to
cost
you
tomorrow?
When
you
don't
even
know
the
cost
today,
because
it
was
bought
30
days
ago
and
the
cost
could
be
going
up?
G
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
statement
then
I'll.
Let
you
get
chime
in
what
I
don't
want
to
see,
and
I'm
not
I'm
just
one
of
a
hundred
on
the
house
side
is
for
encouragement
for
other
states
to
come
in
and
compete
against
our
companies,
not
saying
that's
a
bad
thing
for
pricing,
but
I
don't
want
to
see
other
companies
travel
across
our
borders
to
get
these
contracts
and
leave
our
companies
that
we're
not
talking
about
short-term
companies.
G
I
just
wanted
to
to
say
that
I
stand
with
with
our
companies
that
are
here
in
the
state.
That's
doing
a
great
job
in
my
area,
and
I
just
I
just
say
we
need
to
be
careful
how
far
we
go
with
this
on
and
not
be
a
punishment
because
we
need
we
need
those
companies
to
survive
in
our
area.
Q
Senator
hank
jones
respond
real
quickly.
These
are
kentucky
companies
that
are
not
competing
against
one
another.
J
Q
What
you
would
find,
if
you
had
a
more
competitive
environment,
would
actually
be.
B
On
chairman
higdon's
question
earlier,
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
in
the
with
poll.
I
would
ask
that
you
present
to
the
committee
accurate
data
that
would
include
the
correct
data
that
includes
the
single
bid
products
under
bid.
Two,
I
think
what
you've
presented
is
just
your
narrative
and
it's
important
to
have
all
that
data
that
were
over
bid
and
under
bid.
B
I
think
that
would
be
very
important,
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
the
next
interim
joint
committee
hearing
my
question
to
you
would
be
have
you
had
any
conversations
with
kytc
or
any
of
the
highway
contractors
about
this
process.
I
noticed
you
send
us
a
monthly
email,
but
have
you
had
con?
Have
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
andrew
on
page
three
of
your
presentation,
you're,
showing
the
single
big
contracts
and
you're
showing
in
excess
of
engineers,
estimates
and
my
question
is
there
was
a
a
small
bridge
project
in
in
wayne
county
just
this
past
year
that
the
engineer's
estimate
came
in
and
then
once
they
started
talking
to
contractors,
the
bid
came
in
significantly
higher,
and
so
they
got
together
with
the
contractors
and
looked
at
the
project
and
realized
that
actually
the
contractor
was
was
correct,
and
so
I
wonder
on
these
estimates
you
know
the
7.8
million
dollars.
G
How
many
of
them
have
we,
you
know
actually
looked
at.
You
know.
The
state
engineer
may
not
always
be
correct,
and
so
I
don't
want
you
painting
a
nefarious
picture
of
the
contractors,
because
you
know
they're
in
a
business
to
make
money,
but
you
know
there.
There
may
be
some
reasons
as
to
why
these
these
bids
came
in
over
the
estimate.
Q
There
there
may
be
reasons
as
to
why
that's
why
we
we
don't
necessarily
believe
that
the
language
was
included
in
representative
santoro's
bill
last
session,
which
is
prohibiting
a
strong
pro
prohibition
against
issuing
any
single
big
contract
that
comes
in
over
the
engineer's
estimate
is
the
way
to
proceed.
Q
Be
provided
with
the
information
that
allows
them
to
think
more
clearly
about
how
they
design
their
procurements
so
that
they
are
attracting
competitive
bids.
There's
no
question
in
my
mind
that
some
amount
or
some
number
of
competitive
bids
would
in
fact
continue
forward
if,
in
fact,
there
were
some
reforms
adopted,
but
what
you
would
likely
see
is
far
fewer
single
bids
being
made
in
the
first
place.
G
Yeah
and
I'm
not
too
sure
you
know,
with
with
the
data
that
you've
gotten
or
that
you've
provided
this
along
with
representative
heaven's
point,
you
know,
there's
a
reason.
You
know
that
these
contactors
may
not
want
to
bid
a
project.
I
mean
it
may
not
be
within
their
bottom
dollar
to
bid.
I
mean
they're
not
going
to
bid
something
that
they
know
they're
not
going
to
win.
G
G
You
know
we
know
have
increased
considerably
with
with
the
new
build
back
better
gas
prices
we
have,
and
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
variables
that
I
think
you
need
to
take
into
consideration
here,
whether
it
be
you
know
with
the
cabinet-
and
you
know
you
know-
I
just
don't
want
to
be
painting
in
the
nefarious
picture
with
the
contractors
or
the
cabinet
there.
I
think
you
need
to
dig
a
little
deeper
to
find
out.
You
know
the
actual
reasons
why
what
we've
got
here.
Q
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
thank
you
for
presenting.
I
think
that
this
is
a
an
issue
as
far
as
competition
that
people
face
at
all
levels
of
government.
When
I
was
in
louisville
metro,
council
and
president,
I
made
that
an
issue
to
increase
our
paving
one
of
the
problems
we
have
is.
Sometimes
we
would
have
these
single
bid
contracts
go
out.
There
was
the
same
two
or
three
people,
but
often
a
lot
of
times.
You'd
have
one
person
bid.
D
If
you
could
get
that
and
a
lot
of
times
it
was
because
of
government
rates
and
what
that
payout
is
and
sometimes
and
that
there's
a
lot
of
companies
that
don't
want
to
make
bids
with
the
commonwealth
or
with
the
state,
because
I
think
of
the
what
we
pay
the
rate
with
that
being
said,
I
think
we
all
need
to
be
good
stewards
of
taxpayers
dollars
and
make
sure
that's
the
best
we
can.
D
We
have
here,
though,
at
the
state
and
and
I'm
as
a
freshman
senator,
I'm
still
catching
the
much
as
I
can,
but
you
have
the
engineer's
bids
to
give
the
estimate
which
they
have
to
compete
against.
So
there's
always
that
I
don't
believe
the
transportation
cabinet
is
supposed
to
do
anything
to
like
either
incentivize
or
to
really
to
staffle
the
competition
there
are.
Are
you
suggesting
that
they
should
or
that
they
do.
Q
No
I'm
suggesting
that
from
the
data
or
from
the
information
that
would
be
gleaned
from
an
audit.
Q
D
And
when
they
have
the
single
bids
on
there
in
the
event
that
that
is
out
of
line
of
what
they
they
think
the
estimates
would
be,
it
looks
like,
and
my
understanding
is,
those
are
rejected,
often
as
well
right
if
it's
outside
and
then
is
it
rebid.
Q
Yeah,
the
rule
of
thumb
is
has
been
reported
that
bids
that
come
in
over
seven
percent
above
the
engineers,
estimates
are
typically
rejected
and
re-bid,
but
seven
percent
is
still
a
significant
expense,
especially
when
you
consider
the
existence
of
only
one.
Other
bidder
drops
the
bid
price
to
about
ninety
percent
of
the
engineer's
estimate.
So
it's
not
seven
percent.
A
Q
Well,
you
have
to
if
you,
if
you
lump
them
all
together.
Q
That
percentage
is
going
to
be
much
smaller
than
if
you
look
at
the
universe
of
asphalt
and
asphalt,
paving
contracts,
you
rarely
see
single
big
contracts
on
large
construction
projects,
bridge
reconstruction,
anything
that
is
dealing
with
much
larger
projects.
This
is
largely
confined
to
to
asphalt,
paving
senator
I'd,
be
happy
to
look
at
that
and
provide
a
percentage
from
an
asphalt
standpoint.
A
The
staff
just
showed
me
the
what
that
was.
There
was
1145
contracts,
150
of
them
were
rejected,
they
awarded
995..
Now
the
995
327
were
single
bid
contracts.
132
of
those
were
below
the
engineer's
estimate,
but
I.
A
Okay,
we'll
we'll
share
that
representative
westrom.
N
Q
So
that
they
are,
there
are
corporate
conglomerates.
If
you
will
that
may
own
separate
road,
paving
contract
companies
and
do
they
bid
against
one
another?
N
F
Representative
hale,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
westrom
up
church,
hevron
and
smith
brought
very
valid
points
to
this.
This.
F
Meeting
here
today,
their
questions
were
were
excellent.
Questions,
sir.
I
believe
you've
you've
brought
to
us
data
that
you've,
given
most
of
your
testimony
on
today,
based
on
the
data
from
2005
to
2007
16
years
ago,
15
16
years
ago,
we're
living
in
a
whole
different
world
in
2021
22
than
we
were
16
years
ago
and
and
to
to
representing
western's
point.
F
Q
You
do
have
if,
if,
if
that
is
correct-
and
I
haven't
seen
seen
that
I'd
assume
that
it
is
that's.
F
Q
Q
Q
Would
an
audit
provide
for
the
opportunity
for
that
question
to
be
evaluated
and
to
allow
for
an
answer
to
be
reached?
Yeah
I
mean
if
there
are
valid
reasons
for
why
these
single
big
contracts
exist
and
why
these
bidding
behaviors
exist.
Then
an
audit
will
demonstrate
that.
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
downside
to
evaluating
these
questions.
F
That
was
over
the
estimate
right
well,
I
have
looked
into
this
and
I
didn't
come
here
with
just
something
I
didn't
have
facts
to
to
back
up,
but
in
august
of
2021
we're
going
back
just
four
months
ago,
in
august
of
2021,
there
were
two
projects
that
were
led
here
in
this
state
single
bid
projects
that
led
to
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
savings.
They
were
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
under
just
the
two
projects.
F
Two
single
projects,
that's
two
and
a
half
million
dollars.
Now
I
don't
know
how
many
projects
you're
talking
about
the
7.8
million,
but
I
think
to
be
very
frank.
You've
come
to
us
today
with
some
with
some
flawed
information,
and
these
contractors
have
been
under
an
attack
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
in
the
community
that
I
live
in
a
small
rural
community.
F
These
contractors
employ
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people
in
my
district
that
pay
their
taxes,
pay
their
property
taxes,
and
here
you
are
here,
attacking
these
companies
and
there's
many
projects
that
only
have
one
bidder-
hundreds
there's
not
hundreds,
but
there's
many
projects
that
only
have
one
bidder.
So
I'm
I'm
really
concerned
today
that
we're
we're
really
allowing
somebody
to
give
us
information
on
this
committee
that
really
doesn't
have
the
correct
information.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
E
Just
want
to
say
a
few
things
kentucky
department
transportation.
They
are
the
most
transparent
organization
we
have.
They
are
open
all
the
time.
Even
if
you
get
a
bid
in
there
at
201,
you
don't
get
to
bid
it,
so
they
are
very,
very
transparent,
secretary
gray
and
the
past
secretary
thomas.
They
were
very,
very
open
to
all
this,
so
this
they're,
giving
you
information
and
I
think,
you're
looking
for
some
bad
people
and
we
don't
have
bad
contractors.
I
think
we
have
outstanding
contractors
right
now
in
my
area,
we're
lucky.
E
If
we
get
bidders
because
they
are
so
busy,
we
don't
even
have
snow
removal
across
the
state
because
we're
not
paying
enough.
We
don't
know
what
we're
gonna
do.
You
know.
Last
year
we
hit
our
contractors
that
went
out
there
to
work
and
they
said
we
will
not
invoice.
We
want
to
keep
our
people
just
like
representative
hale
said
over
there.
He
said
a
lot
of
things
that
I
was
going
to
say.
I'm
all
for
this
transparency.
E
Let's
make
sure
we
get
the
best
dollar
we
can
and
we
are.
I
really
believe
we
are
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
single
bidders.
We
had
an
emergency
situation,
there
was
one
single
bidder
you
contacted
me,
no
one
wanted
to
bid
it
because
it
was
very
hazardous
job.
E
Now
we
just
had
some
up
in
northern
kentucky
that
they
didn't
bid
because
they
were
over
bid
and
they
set
them
out
again.
So
you
know
do
we
need
to
look
at
it?
I
think
you
have,
but
I
think
we
have
some
great
contractors
and
these
people
to
give
us
a
good
dollar
for
what
we're
doing
thanks
for
coming
in
that's
all.
I
just
want
to
mention.
A
Thank
you,
andrew
and
appreciate
you
being
here,
and
I
will
say
this
about
the
representative
santoro.
The
the
this
cabinet
transportation
kit,
secretary
gray
and
secretary
thomas,
were
have
both
been
very,
very
open
to
anything
that
we
ask
them
for,
and
I
think
they've
been
open
to
you
to
any
information
that
you
needed.
So
I
will
commend
them
on
on
that,
and
so
and
I
do
know
the
contractors
you
know
they
it's
some
of
them
are
well.
A
I
live
in,
I
have
represent
a
rural
district
and
I
understand
some
of
the
issues
that
they
have
in
the
rural
district.
So
we
thank
you
thank
you
for
bringing
those
being
here
today
and
thank
you
very
much
thanks
the
next
thing
on
our
list.
We
have.
We
have
some
administrative
rigs
that
brought
forth
by
the
motor
vehicle
commission
for
consideration.
A
If
you
all
want
to
look,
those
over
feel
free
to
do
so.
There
also,
we
have
some
correspondence
item,
7
item
8,
our
correspondence
from
transportation
cabinet
about
one
is
driver's
license.
One
informer
one
that
now
there's
there's
four
ways
you
can
get
your
driver's
license.
We
do
have
a
mail-in
program
now,
where
you
can
get
your
driver's
license
by
mail,
you
can
print
those
forms
off
online
and
many
libraries
and
circuit
court
clerks
across
the
state
have
the
forms.
If
you,
if
you
need
them,
we
have
the
online
renewal.
A
A
They're
they've,
been
doing
using
that
in
a
pilot
project
and
they're
supposed
to
launch
that
statewide
and
very
early
in
2022,
and
then
also
you
can
go
to
the
regional
office
and
get
your
driver's
license
renewed.
The
only
thing
that
you
have
to
show
up
at
the
regional
office
is
to
do
if
you're
interested
in
a
real
id.
You
will
need
to
go
to
the
regional
office
for
that,
but
your
driver's
license
can
be.
You
do
not
have
to
go
to
the
regional
office
to
do
that.
A
State
police
are
very
active
in
doing
the
the
permit
test
and
driver's
test,
and-
and
hopefully
I
know,
they've
undertaken
a
big
job
and
we'll
we'll
look
at
that
as
we
go
forward.
A
So
if
you
have
issues-
and
you
want
to
call
me
about
them-
be
sure
to
call
me
and-
and
I
will
send
those
over
to
the
transportation
cabinet,
like
I
said,
they've
they've
worked
very
very
well
with
this
to
try
to
make
sure
that
this
rollout
to
the
regional
offices
is
as
smooth
as
it
can
be.
So
with
no
further.
A
We
got
one
okay.
B
Mr
chairman,
I
have
a
question
about
the
administrative
regs.
I've
noticed
that
the
automobile
dealers,
the
fees
have
doubled
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
who
decided
on
that
amount.
Why
double
and
is
there
any
discussion
on
the
matter
or
has
that
already
been
settled?
We.
R
Yes,
sir
chairman
higdon
and
the
chairman
of
church,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
and
present
the
kentucky
motor
vehicle
commission.
The
commission
itself
is
made
up
of
12
members
and
they
studied
the
cost
of
what
it
takes
to
operate.
The
commission
over
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
stability
issue,
as
well
as
sustaining
the
commission
for
at
least
10
to
20
years.
We
have
not
had
a
fee
increase
since
1982,
which
we're
approaching
40
years.
R
However,
the
buying
power
of
a
hundred
dollars
in
1982
would
be
more
like
268
dollars.
Today
we
have
cost
for
the
program
in
1982
we
did
not
have
widespread
use
of
copier
cell
phones,
tablets
for
the
employees
on
facility
inspections,
as
well
as
the
technology
that
we
utilized
for
doing
the
renewals,
as
we
had
under
the
previous
governor
matthew,
bevin,
the
pension
plan
was
increased,
176
000
to
us
annually
that
we
had
no
funds
to
offset
those
costs.
We
have
done
things
to
cut
our
costs.
R
R
The
only
growth
that
we're
hoping
for
out
of
this
is
from
the
dealers
themselves
have
requested
that
we
have
a
full-time
inspector
for
louisville,
there's
a
300
plus
dealerships
in
louisville.
They
feel
that
the
crime
in
louisville
is
such
that
on
loss
for
sales
without
titles
and
the
taxation
is
between
1.5
to
2
million
dollars
annually.
R
We
also
as
dealers,
we
regulate
ourselves,
but
we
also
do
consumer
protection
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
afford
the
legal
costs
for
consumer
protection
and
we
put
that
over
a
hundred
thousand
a
year
moving
forward,
and
we
also
need
to
escrow
to
have
a
small
nest.
Egg
of
maybe
three
hundred
thousand.
R
Hopefully
we
put
into
the
budget
that
you
will
see
in
january.
We
are
asking
for
a
position
for
it's
a
grade
13
and
we're
asking
for
a
person
that
their
only
work
is
fraud,
investigation
that
would
work
out
of
the
central
office
here
in
a
transportation
cabinet.
They
would
be
provided
transportation
a
vehicle,
but
they
would
be
assigned
fraud.
Cases
investigating.
R
As
we
get
complaints
about
40
calls
a
day.
Some
of
them
are
as
is,
and
we
can't
help
an
as-is
complaint
or
buyer's
remorse,
but
if
it's
something
where
they
really
felt
that
they
were
cheated
on
a
warranty
matter
or
something
we
want
to
do
deeper
drill
downs
to
to
fill
out
to
see
if
there
is
a
a
problem
or
an
isolated
matter,
or
if
this
is
a
mode
of
operation
that
has
to
be
corrected.
A
Thank
you,
carlos
representative
hub,
any
any
follow-up
on
that.
B
No,
I
just
wanted
to
apologize
for
holding
everybody
up.
No.
B
A
They
so
thank
you
for
your
explanation,
carlos
and,
if
no
further
questions
motion
to
adjourn.
Thank
you.
We
are
adjourned.