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00:00:00 Meeting Start
00:00:45 Roll Call Attendance
00:02:10 Pledge of Allegiance and Prayer
00:04:23 Distinguished Veteran
00:10:27 Kentucky Department of Veterans Affairs
00:46:30 USA Cares
01:12:03 Project Diehard
01:25:28 Disabled American Veterans (Department of Kentucky)
01:40:32 Check A Vet
02:18:56 Administrative Regulation 017 KAR 003:020
A
Members
might
have
to
run
off
and
and
go
to
another
committee
there
and
I
think
we
will
probably
pick
up
a
few
I
heard.
Another
committee
is
going
a
little
bit
long,
so
we
might
pick
up
a
few
members
as
as
we
go
on
today.
We
want
to
welcome
you
all
I
am
chairman
Walker
Thomas,
my
co-chair
is
not
here
yet
he
might
be
in
another
committee.
He
will
say
a
few
words
I'm
sure
when
he
gets
here.
A
This
is
the
first
meeting
of
our
interim
joint
committee
on
Veterans,
military
Affairs
and
public
protection.
We're
glad
to
have
so
many
faces
that
really
support
our
veterans
and
and
our
First
Responders
and
everything
out
in
the
audience
today.
So
at
this
point
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
have
roll
call
Mr
secretary,
please
call
roll
cinderberg.
A
D
Let
us
all
pray
gracious,
Heavenly
Father.
We
thank
you
today,
God
for
your
goodness
and
your
mercy.
We
thank
you
for
this
wonderful
day
that
we
have
gathered
together
and
Lord
I.
Just
ask
you:
Lord
I,
just
lead
God
and
direct
us
Lord.
How
you
would
help
us
to
direct
this
state
and
Lord,
not
only
that,
but
also
to
be
a
blessing
to
our
veterans
and
all
of
our
military
and
our
public
protectors,
God
and
Lord.
D
A
For
the
members,
if
you
haven't
served
on
this
committee
long,
we
always
honor
distinguished
guests
and
oh
here
come.
My
other
meeting
must
be
over
we'll
give
them
just
a
sec
here,
but
we
always
honor
our
distinguished
veterans,
First
Responders
people
in
your
communities
that
have
gone
over
and
Beyond
the
Call
of
Duty
on
different
different
things.
A
So
the
Senators
that
are
here
we've
we've
always
seemed
to
have
distinguished,
gets
from
some
of
the
house
members,
but
seeing
seen
or
centers
we'd
love
to
have
y'all's
input,
also
Brian
Alvey
over
in
the
corner
kind
of
wave
your
hand
there.
A
lot
of
you
all
know
him
and
have
his
phone
number,
but
if
you
have
a
disgust
in
your
District
or
or
a
military
honoree
that
you'd
like
to
honor,
please
Let,
Brian,
know
and
we'll
get
him
scheduled,
especially
for
this
interim.
We
got
six
meetings,
so
we
got
five
more
guests.
A
We
can.
We
can
honor
there,
so
that
leads
up
to
representative
maceroni.
If
you
would,
you
are
welcome
to
go
down
there
with
them
and
bring
your
guest
up
and
you're
going
to
bring
Cinder
handed
a
joint,
well
I
called
out
the
senders,
and
we
have
one
that's
right
here
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Please
introduce
yourselves
if
you
would
make
sure
the
green
mic's
on
for
the
record.
Thank.
F
E
Okay,
today,
I
want
to
honor
Richard
Nest.
He
is
a
very
important
member
of
our
community
in
Nelson
County
at
the
age
of
18,
Richard
went
to
Vietnam
and
within
six
months
he
had
boots
on
the
ground
in
Vietnam
within
Jordan
the
military
he
said,
Pirelli
with
the
with
the
173rd
airborne
Richard
has
two
bronze
stars
as
a
paratrooper:
richer
participated
in
operation,
Junction
City,
which
awarded
him
one
of
the
bronze
stars
to
his
jump.
Wings.
E
Richard
has
served
into
served
her
military
and
her
community
in
three
different
ways.
First,
he
was
an
enlisted
serger.
Then
he
went
to
be
an
officer
and
for
the
last
58
years
he
has
been
a
a
veteran
helping.
The
advocate
for
the
veterans
community.
He
served
on
in
her
American
Legion
post
as
post
commander
and
many
other
rows
within
that
Richard
is
a
currently
a
member
of
the
American
Legion
Post
Mo
Kentucky
Home
post
121
in
Bardstown,
and
we
just
want
to
thank
Richard
for
his
service
and
everything
he
does
for
communities.
E
G
Well,
well:
hi
I,
guess
I
want
to
thank
you.
It's
on
I
want
to
thank
you
for
candy
and
and
Jimmy
for
inviting
me.
I've
only
got
20
pages
to
speak,
but
I
I
brought
it
down
to
to
only
one
so
I'm
here
today
to
take
my
five
minutes
of
fame
to
thank
you
not
for
this
award,
but
for
what
you
do
and
can
do
for
Kentucky
active
duty
and
veterans.
My
special
thank
you
for
the
extra
help
for
your
extra
help
on
the
new
Bowling
Green
Veterans
Center
in
Bowling
Green,
so
I
I.
G
Personally.
Thank
you
all
very,
very
much
for
that
little
bit
of
help
and
push
on
it.
As
you
know,
it's
going
to
create
beds
for
60
other
veterans.
It's
going
to
create
a
hundred
and
twenty
jobs.
So
it's
a
great
thing
and
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
your
mission
statement
for
this
committee
and
the
mission
statement
for
the
501c19s
organizations,
which
is
the
VFW
American
Legion,
Vietnam
veterans
association.
We
are,
we
all,
have
the
same
common
mission
statement,
which
is
to
help
veterans
and
so
I
appreciate
it.
G
H
A
A
Thank
you
that
that
thick
folder
worried
us
for
a
sec
there.
We,
as
we
see
you,
we
have
a
pretty
robust
agenda
there.
So
at
this
time
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
We
have
a
report
from
and
and
what
you'll
see
is,
is
we
kind
of
have
have
focused
this
session
more
so
or
or
this
meeting
more
so
on
veteran
suicide
and
how
a
lot
of
these
groups
can
help,
so
that's
kind
of
it.
But
if,
if
it's
beyond
those
Scopes,
you
are
welcome
to
talk
about
that.
A
K
Is
yours
all
right?
Thank
you.
First
of
all
can
y'all.
Can
you
hear
me
pretty
good?
Okay,
on
behalf
of
commissioner
Allen
kdva
and
the
governor
challenge
team,
we're
thankful
for
the
opportunity
to
share
what
we're
doing
to
help,
deter
and
diminish
death
by
suicides
for
veterans
and
non-veterans
across
the
Commonwealth
for
several
hours
for
several
less
veterans
and
non-veterans
suicide
and
suicide
attempts
hit
close
to
home
in
particular.
K
For
me,
one
of
my
former
soldiers
who
actually
is
from
Louisville
suffers
from
substance
abuse
suicide,
ideations
PTSD
from
sexual
trauma
and
combat
discovering
one
of
our
soldiers
who
had
been
in
a
unit
dead
and
he's
been
fighting
for
his
life
for
10
years.
I
speak
with
him
at
least
twice
a
week.
I
I
tell
him
I'm
not
going
to
lose
you
I'm
not
going
to
give
up
on
you
I'm,
going
to
fight
with
you,
I'm
gonna
fight
for
you,
so
I'm
sure.
K
K
So
if
there
are
no
comments,
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
This
is
our
agenda.
We
will
share
some
unfortunate
numbers
to
frame
the
problem,
discuss
the
highlights
of
the
governor
challenge,
team
and
and
our
kdba
staff
and
close
with
a
list
of
resources
that
help
veterans
you
all
aware.
Kentucky
has
divided
into
15
Community
Mental
Health
Centers.
These
centers
are
posture
to
help
any
conduction
with
various
issues.
K
Active
duty
members
can
see
providers
on
military
installations,
but
many
seek
assistance
at
these
centers.
They
do
that
because
they
don't
want
to
disclose
their
military
connection,
sometimes
for
fear
of
stigma
that
may
affect
their
their
service.
The
stigma
is
getting
better,
but
it
takes
intentionality
to
continue
to
improve
this
I
want
you
to
reference
these
tables.
On
this
slide,
it
provides
stats
on
Mental,
Health
Services
from
2011
to
2022..
The
higher
numbers
coincide
with
a
nation
at
War
and
that's
in
the
time
period
of
2011
to
2016..
K
These
numbers
do
not
include
Federal
numbers,
but
nevertheless,
throughout
the
Commonwealth.
These
mental
health
centers
are
currently
serving
military
veterans
and
military
members
excuse
me
next,
please,
this
slide
depicts
suicides
by
death.
As
reported
by
those
Community
Mental
Health
Centers,
and
it
further
breaks
out
by
age,
race
and
military
service
between
the
years
of
2017
and
2022.
K
This
slide
Compares
veterans
on
the
left
and
non-veterans
on
the
left.
Excuse
me
on
the
right
fatal
overdoses
from
the
years
2010
to
2015..
If
you
notice
the
dashed
lines,
they
indicate
unstable
numbers,
which
means
that
the
numbers
are
very
small
and
less
likely
to
capture
true
picture
of
what's
happening
in
those
areas.
K
Next,
please
it's
easy
to
think
of
installations
such
as
Fort
Knox,
Fort,
Campbell,
Bluegrass,
Army
Depot,
but
there
are
military
members
in
the
National
Guard
and
Reserve
formations
across
the
state.
In
2012
there
was
a
study
concluded
that
National
Guard
members
have
been
found
to
have
higher
rates
of
suicide,
ideation
and
suicidal
behaviors
post-deployments
than
active
duty
members,
and
those
numbers
at
that
time
were
active
duty,
20.2
per
100
000
reservists
with
24
per
100
000
and
National
Guards
with
31
per
100
000..
K
There
are
over
300
300,
000
veterans
dispersed
across
the
state
and
unfortunately,
there
is
a
connection
with
Behavioral
Health
drug
use,
overdose
and
suicide
across
the
state.
This
is
why
the
governor
challenge
team,
our
staff
and
and
the
great
work
of
a
plethora
of
organizations
that
are
connected
to
the
governor
challenge
team
is
important.
K
The
team
was
established
in
2022
after
building
an
initial
team,
they
met
period
periodically
to
build
stratagem,
to
make
to
take
initial
steps
to
address
our
issues
with
suicide.
Outputs
from
our
planning
and
collaboration
include
participation
in
Crisis
Intervention
training,
creating
a
provider
directory
conducting
employee
training,
a
Yellow
Ribbon
excuse
me:
yellow,
ribbon
resiliency
training
and
the
purple
star
program,
just
to
name
a
few
August
22
members
of
the
governor
challenge
team
executive
team
attended
the
national
Summit
in
Washington
DC.
K
K
In
March
of
23
executive
director
Dr
sessions
and
Kentucky
National
Guard
surgeon,
major
Tim
Olson
represented
the
team
at
the
2023
National
Summit,
the
governor
challenge
team
has
been
meeting
spiritically,
but
in
May
this
past
May
the
team
is
established,
bi-monthly
a
bi-monthly
meeting
schedule
next
slide.
Please,
during
the
national
Governor's
challenge
team
site
visit,
our
team
collectively
decided
on
short-term
goals
for
our
short-term
goals
of
military,
cultural,
cultural,
competency,
training
for
providers
and
counseling,
and
access
to
non-lethal
memes
non-lethal
means
being
the
highest
ranking
method
of
death
by
Suicide.
K
Excuse
me
lethal.
Thank
you.
We
also
developed
long-term
goals
of
collaboration
with
Volunteers
of
America
for
safe
space,
branding,
create
stateswide
virtual
Summits,
engage
with
firearm
retailers
who
desire
to
help
decrease
death
by
suicide
by
firearms
and
training
school-aged
children
on
gun
safety.
K
As
for
the
next
steps,
the
team
will
continue
planning
our
Summit
and
will
distribute
Suicide
Prevention
materials
at
the
upcoming
veterans,
experience
action
center
on
27
and
through
29
June
next
week,
and
that
will
be
in
Louisville
and
partner
they're,
also
going
to
partner
with
our
with
the
kdba
State
programs
to
create
a
suicide
prevention.
Symposium.
K
Next,
please,
as
you
can,
as
you
can
see
by
this
slide,
kdvaa
has
been
engaged
regarding
suicide
prevention,
we've
hired
key
leaders
and
coordinators
focused
on
wraparound
Services,
wraparound
services
for
veterans.
We
explain
our
Pro
we've.
We
have
expanded
our
Partnerships
with
various
state
agencies
and
programs.
K
Our
way
ahead,
focus
on
formalizing,
our
Partnerships,
with
chfs,
establishing
wounded
and
disabled
veterans.
Outreach
activities
continue
our
Partnerships
with
the
Kentucky
judicial
Commission
on
mental
health
and
our
our
VA
Mid-South
Healthcare
Network
monthly
meetings
with
Kentucky
and
Tennessee
commissioners.
K
The
next
several
slides,
the
next
three
slides
are
basically
resources
that
are
available
to
assist
veterans
across
the
state,
not
just
across
state
veterans
period
with
regard
to
suicide
and
suicide
prevention,
and
we
can
provide
additional
information
on
those
resources
if
need
be.
But
that
concludes
our
our
presentation,
subject
to
your
questions
and
also,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
V
act
meeting
on
the
27th
through
the
29th.
That's
our
flyer
and
we
look
to
have
a
outstanding
event.
Thank
you.
A
I
M
Good
morning,
thank
you
so
much
for
presenting
today
my
additional
job
as
a
as
a
family
law
attorney
and
I
represent
part
of
Kenton
County,
which
is
in
Northern
Kentucky,
so
I'm
not
near
Fort,
Knox
and
I'm,
not
near
Fort,
Campbell
and
I
have
said
for
years.
We
don't
do
enough
for
our
veterans
when
they
return
or
the
whole
family
and
I
still
represent
veterans
or
their
spouse.
M
M
They
still
find
a
way
so
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
and
I
would
would
wonder
if
you
all
are
going
to
be
working
with
the
bar
associ
bar
association
as
well,
because
as
an
attorney,
sometimes
I,
don't
know
where
to
refer
them
or
the
spouse
that
actually
sees
that
they
have
the
problem,
because,
if
you're
relying
on
the
veteran
to
go
somewhere,
sometimes
that
doesn't
work
and
you
need
to
have
family
members.
Step
Up.
K
N
K
N
H
H
If
you
have
an
issue
a
veteran
issue,
it's
a
commissioner
Allen
and
his
folks
do
a
great
job
servicing
the
veterans
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
that
and
and
I
know,
you'll
keep
up
the
good
work,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
committee
members
understand
if
a
veteran
needs
assistance
kdva
is
there
and
they
will
do.
They
will
take
care
of
the
issue
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
that
and
commissioner
Allen.
So
thank
you.
P
Thanks
chairman
and
I
would
like
to
Echo
Senator
Higdon's
Praise
of
the
Kentucky
veterans.
Association.
I've
got
something
currently
going
through
and
they've
helped
me
a
lot.
But
my
question
to
you,
gentlemen,
is
you:
you
mentioned
the
suicide
rate
between
the
national
Garden
Reserve
or
the
National
Guard
and
active
duty.
What
was
that,
during.
K
P
L
So
that's
a
that's
a
very
a
good
good
question.
The
study
that
was
was
referenced
didn't
give
of
the
details
of
the
why
the
purpose
of
the
study
was
to
show
that
the
National
Guard
was
having
more
suicides
than
even
the
active
act
to
do
so.
That
was
the
purpose
of
it.
Some
of
the
reasons
could
be
National,
National
Guard
deployed
just
like
active
duty,
but
they
also
handle
natural
disasters
and
they
also
have
to
they
have
to
have
their
their
job
at
home
and
their
military.
L
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
this
this
to
our
attention
today
with
me.
Being
a
Nash
presently
serving
National
Guard
member
I.
Think
I
could
speak
on
some
of
these
issues.
There's
a
serious
issue.
Unfortunately,
in
our
unit
in
our
International
Guardian
this
past
year
we
had
two
suicides.
One
of
them
was
in
my
direct
unit,
so
he
was
a
seasoned
combat
veteran
and
he
had
a
tremendous
amount
of
experience
and
in
the
field
and
and
then
off
off
the
field.
F
But
unfortunately
we
didn't
recognize
the
red
flags
early
enough
to
stop
it
so
that
this
hits
really
home
to
me
and
then
you,
you
mentioned
that
the
and
there's
been
questions
of
why
National
Guard
is
a
more
serious
or
a
higher
level
of
incident
is
because
we
get
called
out
for
things
such
as
flooding
and
Hazard.
We
get
called
out
for
tornadoes
and
they're
searching
through
Rubble
to
find
cadavers,
they're
rescuing
people
from
floods.
F
Then
you
get
spit
on
when
you're
doing
riots
in
downtown
Louisville
and
then
you
do
covert
relief
efforts
and
you
see
people
suffering
there
and
then
you
get
activated
for
that
state
side.
And
then
you
come
back
and
you're
at
your
desk
or
work
two
days
later
and
they're
saying
well,
I
thought
you
were
one
week
in
a
month.
You
know
why
are
you
gone
so
much?
Why
are
you
gone
so
so
often
so
you
have
that
pressure
from
work
as
well.
Then
you
get
activated
for
for
going
to
Africa.
F
Are
we
in
Africa
I?
Don't
know
we're
in
Africa,
so
we're
you're
30
days
there
then
you're
back
at
work
after
you've
been
in
a
combat
situation.
So
all
this
we're
relying
more
and
more
on
the
National
Guard
to
do
a
lot
of
federal
and
state
requirements.
I,
don't
think
that
people
realize
the
challenges
that
it
takes
on
your
you
personally.
So
that's
why
you
probably
see
a
difference
in
the
amount
of
increase
in
suicides,
the
National
Guard,
they
do
reserve
and
active
duty.
F
Furthermore,
we
see
more
suicides
more
deaths
in
the
military
in
general
by
Suicide
than
we
do
combat
or
accidents.
So
it
is
an
alarming
alarmy
issue.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
a
as
you
go
forward
and
you
think
about
veterans,
benefits
and
and
National
Guard
benefits.
You
know
people
it's
it's
more
than
just
one
week
in
a
month.
F
You
know
especially
this
past
couple
years
with
Cohen
flooding,
all
the
things
we've
seen
and
then
you're
then
you've
got
the
federal
stuff
that
you're
working
on
too
so
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
and
then
also
the
other
thing.
I
think
is
that
sometimes
veterans
don't
know
where
to
go.
Get
service
they're,
afraid
that
you
know
you're
not
covered.
If
you're
in
on
active
duty
status,
you're
coming
from
active
duty
standpoint,
then
you
come
off
active
duty
status
and
then
you,
if
you
don't
have
insurance.
How
are
you
covered?
F
You
know
so
I
think
for
mental
health
purposes,
that
that
anywhere
in
the
state
that
you
should
be
able
to
walk
into
a
facility,
whether
it's
a
hospital,
mental
health
or
a
licensed
social
worker,
whoever
even
attorney
and
get
help,
and
not
not
worry
about
how
it's
going
to
be
covered
or
paid
for
so.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
Q
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
want
to
follow
up
on
something
Senator
Berg
said
I
think
that
maybe
at
some
point
in
the
future,
oh
you
could
get
those
numbers
for
us.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
as
we
look
at
these
numbers
to
see
how
these
numbers
do
compare
to
the
general
population.
A
certain
amount
of
people
in
our
country
are
going
to
get
cancer
certain.
Unfortunately,
it's
a
terrible
tragedy.
Q
A
certain
percent
of
the
people
in
our
country,
especially
after
covert,
are
committing
suicide,
and
we
need
to
obviously
try
to
do
what
we
can
to
help
all
this
population.
So
I
think
it'd
be
helpful,
going
for
me
personally
going
into
the
future
to
know
how
this
these
numbers
compared
to
the
general
population.
Q
Second
thing
is
I
I'm
new
on
this
committee,
so
I
guess
I'm.
A
little
interested
in
is
is
a
federal
government
who
they
are
the
general
the
the
I
think
in
the
employer
of
all
the
veterans.
Are
they
failing
to
do
these
things
that
why
we
are
are
having
to
implement
all
these
programs
here
in
the
state
of
Kentucky?
It's
a
federal
government
failing
to
provide
these
services
for
the
veterans
and
so
I
guess
I'm
I'm
needing
to
understand
it,
but
just
a
quick
Sinister
two
about.
K
Well,
sir,
the
the
federal
government,
the
federal
VA
they
have
these
types
of
programs
as
well,
so
the
attempt
is
to
to
provide
the
services,
the
mental
health
services
for
the
veterans
for
all
veterans,
so
that
effort
is
there
to
to
speak
on.
Why
it's
it's
a
growing
problem.
That's
that's!
Beyond
my
scope,
I
know
we're
trying
to
do
everything
we
can
to
help
mitigate
this,
not
just
for
veterans.
Q
A
R
Brigadier
General
retired
Steve,
Bullard
and
first
off
Center
for
Disease
Control
latest
statistics
2021
they
had
their
largest
increase
ever
in
National
suicides
U.S
in
2021
is
14.1
per
100
000.,
so
significantly
lower,
and
we
dealt
with
this.
Of
course,
I
was
Chief
staff
of
the
Kentucky
National
Guard,
and
this
has
been
very,
very
important
to
US.
R
Representative
bratcher
hit
it
right
on
the
head
when
a
Guardsman
reservist
comes
back,
you
your
active
duty,
you're
at
Fort,
Campbell
you're
for
not
sure
in
a
cocoon
and
you're
constantly
with
those
who
came
back,
it's
like
PTSD.
When
you
came
back
from
World
War,
II
or
Korea,
you
probably
came
back
on
a
troop
ship
surrounded
by
friends.
Talk
it
out
for
him
off.
Now
you
come
back.
You
jump
on
an
airplane
and
you're
back.
R
I
was
I,
went
from
come
back
commanding
a
combat
Squadron
and
during
Iraqi
freedom
to
being
with
my
family
at
Walt,
Disney
World
48
hours
later,
and
it
was
a
single
worst
experience.
I
ever
went
through
in
my
entire
life.
I
can't
tell
you
how
terrible
it
was
for
me,
but
the
you
come
back
as
a
Guardsman,
and
we
know
this.
R
We
try,
we
try,
we
try
but
you're,
released
back
into
your
community
and
then
maybe
hundreds
of
miles
away,
states
away
and
you're,
not
in
that
cocoon
any
longer
and
you're
with
people
who
just
don't
understand,
and
it's
so
difficult
to
control
and
I.
Think
of
Brian
Allah,
you
remember
Brian,
we
lost
him
and
we
we
we
recognize
the
signs,
we
got
them
committed
for
72
hours
and
they
released
him.
They
said:
okay,
he's
good.
He
goes
straight
home
commit
suicide
in
front
of
his
parents.
It's
it
is
such
a
challenge.
R
A
B
S
S
S
I
I
raise
red
flag
on
Protocols
of
the
current
VA
clinics
on
making
sure
that
our
veterans
not
only
get
their
appointments
set,
but
also
when
they
are
seen
in
those
clinics
they
have
a
debriefing
or
an
exit
meeting
with
a
registrar
or
somebody
there
that
can
ensure
they
know
when
their
next
meeting
is
and
appointment
is
where
their
prescriptions
are
are
coming
from.
I
see.
S
S
What
went
on
what
next
steps
are
sometimes
I
see
in
our
VA
clinics
that
that
exit
meeting
doesn't
happen
and
they're
left
out
there
to
kind
of
wonder
when
their
next
appointment
is
where
to
go.
Where
are
their
prescriptions
coming
from
whether
or
not
they
can
meet
at
their
local
Hospital
Regional
health
care
provider,
so
they're
they're
struggling
with
that
transfer,
I
guess
into
Community,
Care
and
settings
and
I'm
just
wondering?
S
K
Well
again,
I
concur
this
54
year
old
doesn't
like
using
the
apps
himself.
So
as
far
as
sway
with
with
the
the
clinics
we
don't,
we
can't
tell
them
how
to
operate.
We
can
actually
engage
them
or
or
ask
the
question
to
help.
You
know
try
to
improve
processes
as
a
doctor
session
and
I
both
live
in
the
Fort
Knox
area.
K
So
when
I
get
an
appointment
with
the
VA
and
I
go
through
that
appointment,
I
do
get
a
check
out
and
I
do
get
the
next
appointment
and
if
I
have
a
prescription,
that
provider
is
telling
me
your
prescription
will
be
mailed
to
you
and
here's
the
information
for
it.
So
that
is
given
to
you.
So
those
processes
are
improving.
We
have
miles
to
go
before
we
sleep
on
that
one,
but
they
are
improving
well.
S
I,
thank
you
for
that
now.
For
that
response,
I
would
like
to
see
those
and
More
in
action
and
and
I
do
see
those
improvements
being
made
just
not
on
a
consistent
basis.
We
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
caring
for
our
veterans
in
these
VA
clinics
that
have
hearts
of
gold
and
their
hearts
are
in
the
right
place,
and
it's
not
the
care
providers
that
that
are
struggling.
S
It's
sometimes
the
simple
step
of
a
protocol
or
procedure
that
might
help
those
veterans
get
where
they
need
to
be
and
to
follow
through,
with
with
any
recommendations
for
assistance.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
continue
to
have
those
conversations
with
those
VA
clinics
on
protocols
and
procedures,
especially
exit
meetings
with
patients,
to
ensure
that
some
of
our
older
veterans
understand
when
their
meetings
are
and
and
where
they
need
to
go
so
I.
Thank
you
for
your
service
and
I.
Thank
you
for
what
you
all
are
doing.
S
A
That's
a
good
segue
saying
that
we're
getting
ready
to
hear
some
further
other
presenters
here
in
a
sec.
So
if
we
could
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
acknowledge
else
to
questions,
but
let's
stop
there,
because
some
of
these
other
groups
that
are
trying
to
help
our
veteran
suicide
might
be
able
to
answer
some
of
your
questions.
Hang
tough,
representative
stalker.
If
you
would
and
then
Centerburg
and
we're
going
to
hold
it,
because
we
have
a
pretty
full
agenda
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
time
for
everyone.
C
K
So
our
Guardsmen
and
women
are
are
unique,
very,
very
unique
in
in
respect
to
their
mission
sets.
Typically,
you
have
a
reception
and
reintegration
process
that
most
soldiers,
most
service
members
I'll
say,
will
go
through
upon
redeployment
or
upon
coming
off
of
some
type
of
mission
and
that
helps
them
reintegrate
back
into
the
units
back
into
their
home.
K
Setting
again
that
uniqueness,
with
with
the
guards
Mission
having
to
get
pulled
out,
sometimes
you
don't
get
that
that
opportunity
to
have
in
place
a
reception
and
reintegration
piece
which
should
should
technically
be
there
at
one
time
we
had
the
warrior
transitions
battalions
that
were
placed
across
the
one
at
Fort.
Knox
was,
did
it
often
and
you
would
come
back
into
there
and
a
lot
of
times.
It
was
just
if
something
was
wrong
with
the
individual
Soldier.
They
would
come
through
that
process,
but
we
had
we
used.
K
L
This
is
a
very,
very
important
question.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
models
of
different
states
that
we've
been
able
to
see
where
they're
helping,
but
it's
more
reactive
to
the
problem
set
like
we're
talking
about
now,
the
as
far
as
the
federal
military
we
all
have
to
after
every
deployment,
I
mean
it's,
it's
mandatory,
the
the
reintegration
process
is
is
set
and
there
is
multiple
gates
for
mental
health
checks
and
things
like
that.
There's
questionnaires,
there's
you
you
meet
with
a
provider,
and
things
like
that.
L
L
It
doesn't
matter
how
good
the
program
is
so
part
of
it
is
we
have
to
as
a
as
a
team
federal
state,
all
of
you
leaders
all
of
us.
We
have
to
work
together
to
let
these
individuals
know
when
you
do
get
to
these
interviews
or
get
to
this
this,
this
actual
appointment.
You
have
to
be
open
and
and
honest
to
help.
So
the
the
federal
process
from
returning
to
from
a
deployment
is
a
good
process.
The
question
is:
how
am
I
as
a
soldier,
how?
L
I
K
I
L
L
I
didn't
I
found
out
at
the
last
call.
I
did
not
know
so
I'm
pushing
we're
trying
to
push
it,
and
that's
why
it's
in
it's
in
your
resources,
you
have
it
in
the
packet.
I
did
not
know
that
and
I
was
Tickle
Pink
when
I
heard,
when
I
heard
that
so
people
need
people
need
to
know
that
yes,
ma'am
yes,
ma'am
and.
K
That's
what
we're
doing
we're
we're
trying
to
push
that
information
out
with
our
with
our
conferences
for
women's
veterans,
our
state
conferences,
training,
the
veteran
service
organizations,
with
this
partnership
with
the
VA
for
the
veterans,
experience,
Action,
Center,
we're
trying
to
connect
to
our
veterans
and
and
get
that
information
out
to
them,
and
obviously
our
hardest
part
is
our
veterans
in
the
rural
communities.
But
we're
working
that
as
well.
K
E
A
Well,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
they
were
still
here
and
we
we
appreciate
it
and
everything
so
alrighty
Logan
is
loading
up
a
new
slide
presentation
and
Matt.
If
y'all
would
just
go
down
the
table
and
and
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record,
make
sure
those
green
lights
are
on
those
speakers
there
or
microphones.
There.
T
U
T
Mr,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
it's
really
an
honor
to
be
here
on
behalf
of
USA,
cares.
I
appreciate
everyone
who's
here
today,
who's
who's
concerned
with
this
issue.
It's
it's
something:
that's
not
a
military
issue,
it's
not
a
veteran
issue,
it's
an
American
issue
and
something
that
everybody
in
this
room
can
appreciate.
I'd
like
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about.
Usa
cares
and
the
work
that
we're
doing.
We
are
a
national
501c3
that
is
headquartered
in
Louisville
Kentucky.
T
We
can,
as
you
know,
as
we
progress
through
the
years
over
the
last
20
years.
Those
needs
have
transitioned
and
we
deal
now
with
more
of
the
invisible
injuries
of
post-traumatic
stress
and
traumatic
brain
injury,
and
as
we
do
that,
we've
realized
a
few
things.
We've
realized
that
we
can
step
in
with
some
of
these
families
who
are
coming
to
us
and
we
can.
We
may
not
be
able
to
stop
a
a
suicide
directly,
but
we
may
be
able
to
eliminate
the
factors
that
push
somebody
to
make
that
type
of
terrible
decision.
T
We
are
going
to
hear
a
lot
today
in
our
discussion
about
this
number
of
22
veterans
a
day,
and
we
can
debate
the
number
and
the
validity
of
that
number.
Some
say
it's
much
higher
some
say
it's
much
much
lower
I
think
we
can
all
agree,
though
it's
too
many,
regardless
of
what
the
number
is
at
USA
cares.
We
are
receiving
right
now,
more
than
100
calls
each
week
from
veteran
families
who
are
at
rock
bottom.
These
are
men
and
women
who
served
our
country
who
feel
as
though
they
don't
have
anywhere
else
to
turn.
T
T
I
I
appreciated
the
example
given
earlier
by
Mr
Bullard
about
coming
back
from
from
a
combat
situation
being
in
Disney
World
48
hours
later.
That
is
a
story,
a
common
theme
that
we
hear
through
many
people
and
one
that
we
try
to
address
and
try
to
help
them
transition
and
that
transition
isn't
just
preparation
for
the
veteran
themselves.
T
T
These
are
all
have
a
direct
and
profound
impact
on
these
families
that
if
we
don't
address
those
particular
issues,
then
this
this
rate
will
continue.
So
we
are
going
to
continue
to
take
on
the
issue
of
housing,
we're
going
to
continue
to
take
on
the
the
the
job
placement
program.
We
have
a
wonderful
partnership
with
Fort
Knox
and
a
senior
leader
career
transition
program,
where
we
have
a
an
eight-week
program
where
we
can
place
senior
Leaders
with
companies.
They
are
still
paid
by
the
Department
of
Defense.
T
During
that
eight
week
period,
they're
being
evaluated
by
the
Company,
the
company
is
evaluating
them
and
it's
a
way
to
more
slowly
transition
into
a
career
to
find
out
if
it
is
a
good
fit
or
if
it
is
not.
But
it's
it's.
What
we're
finding
is
it's
it's
allowing
the
employers
to
be
trained,
as
well
as
the
veteran
to
more
slowly
ease
into
a
permanent
position.
That's
going
to
give
them
that
sense
of
fulfillment.
T
It
is
important,
it
is
important
for
credibility
purposes
and
USA
carries
is
at
87
percent
of
our
money
goes
directly
towards
the
mission
and
that's
wonderful,
but
it
does
hinder
our
ability
to
promote
our
services,
and
it
does
hinder
our
ability
to
conduct
everything
we
need
to
so
that's
difficult
and
it.
It
causes
us
to
need
to
come
and
ask
for
assistance
from
the
state
of
Kentucky
to
to
get
some
additional
resources
in
order
for
us
to
continue
this
Mission
completely.
T
Usa
cares,
as
I
mentioned,
is
working
in
all
50
states.
We
have
started
the
process
in
the
last
few
years
of
opening
chapters.
We
have
38
chapters
active
across
the
country
and
this
model
is
proving
effective
in
a
couple
different
ways:
one
it
is
Raising
support.
It's
raising
financial
support
for
USA
cares
to
be
able
to
assist
more
veteran
families,
but
it's
also
creating
those
Community
groups.
T
It's
creating
ways
for
veterans
to
get
together,
I'm
sure
anybody
in
any
of
the
the
the
groups
that
are
here
today
present
would
tell
you
if
you
can
get
veterans
together
in
getting
them
talking.
There's
healing
that
takes
place
there,
and
we
want
that
to
be
the
case
with
each
one
of
these
chapters
around
the
country.
So
we'll
continue
to
open
up
more
and
to
hold
events
to
to
get
people
together
to
get
people
talking
and
to
bring
more
and
more
awareness
to
the
issue
of
Veteran
suicide.
T
This
is
a
question
I
get
quite
often
from
just
about
anyone.
I
speak
to
they'll.
Tell
me
hey,
I've,
never
heard
of
USA
cares.
Well,
there's
a
reason,
because
we
don't
advertise,
we
spend
no
money
on
Advertising,
we
spend
spend
no
money
on
promotion
and
the
people
who
do
hear
up
from
us
are
referred
to
us
by
other
services.
T
These
numbers,
you
see
on
the
screen,
were
last
year
alone
in
the
numbers
of
Veteran
families
referred
to
us
by
these
services.
In
many
cases,
with
no
funding
to
follow.
On
average,
it
cost
us
about
four
thousand
dollars
per
family
to
fully
assist
them
to
fully
keep
them
in
their
home.
Anybody
in
this
room,
who's
good
at
math,
can
go
through
these
numbers
and
realize
there's
no
way.
I
can
financially
cover
the
need
of
all
these
organs.
All
these
people,
these
represent
men
and
women.
These
represent
children.
T
These
are
these
are
families
and
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can
to
to
to
protect
them,
but
we
also
need
to
reach
out
to
every
one
of
these
organizations
and
say
we.
We
are
honored
that
you
believe
in
us
enough
to
send
us
veterans
to
assist,
but
we
also
need
you
to
come
alongside
us
and
help
us
fund
these.
T
So
our
our
what
we're
seeing
in
in
Kentucky
alone
last
year,
we
had
224
immediate
needs
for
assistance
here
which
reflects
about
896
thousand
dollars
at
that
average
of
four
thousand
dollars
per
family.
The
resources
simply
aren't
there.
Unless
we
can,
we
can
promote
unless
we
can
somehow
reach
out
and
and
do
more
there
there's
just
not
enough
resources
to
help
everybody
at
least
help
everyone
completely.
T
We
have
been
recognized
over
the
last
several
years
between
Newsweek
listing
us
as
one
of
eight
veteran
service
non-profits
that
arose
out
of
the
the
tragedy
of
September
11th
that
is
still
worthy
of
your
donations.
Today,
we've
been
named
non-profit
of
the
year
in
Louisville,
charity
Navigator
has
given
us
their
highest
rating,
and
we've
been
recognized
for
programs.
We
have
with
Hardee's
and
Carl's
Jr
nationally
on
Fox
news
on
multiple
occasions.
T
Simply
put
we
need
your
help,
we
are
we.
We
are
looking
at
the
highest
number
of
veterans
coming
to
us
this
year
than
we've
ever
had
in
20
years
and
we're
looking
at
with
the
economic
situation
it
costing
us
more
and
more
for
every
one
of
these
families
that
we
assist
so
I
I
appreciate
your
time
today.
I
appreciate
you
listening
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
Bill.
If
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
add
yeah.
U
The
crosses
state
USA
cares
is
their
corporate
headquarters
is
in
Jeffersontown
or
Metro
Louisville.
They
stayed
here
because
this
is
their
state,
and
this
is
where
they
began
and
Knox
is
where
they
started.
We
moved
them
to
Jeffersontown
in
order
to
get
a
wider
girth
suicide
amongst
everybody.
Right
now
is
growing
tremendously.
I,
don't
have
to
tell
you
all
that
we're
coming
out
of
covet
we're
coming
out
of
being
in
the
basement,
not
knowing
what
to
do,
and
our
vets
are
ones
that
are
absolutely
need,
our
help.
U
They
fought
for
our
freedom,
they
put
their
lives
on
the
line.
It's
time
we
put
the
money
to
help
them
to
make
sure
they
come
back.
How
many
times
do
we
have
the
honor
when
a
person,
a
man,
a
woman,
dies
overseas,
protecting
our
freedom?
But
what
about
those
who
have
passed
away
for
suicide
for
protecting
our
freedom?
U
It's
time
that
we
put
the
money
up
to,
let
somebody
like
USA
cares
or
one
of
these
organizations
I
can
contest
to
them
because
I'm,
the
one
that
got
them
to
come
to
Jeffersontown,
because
I
firmly
believe
in
them
and
I've
seen
them
grow.
As
a
National,
Organization
and
the
biggest
thing
I
can
say,
is
they
are
there
to
help
everybody
they?
Can?
They
don't
have
an
app?
U
They
have
a
person
that
answers
the
phone
that
says
we
are
here
to
help
they
want
to
help
every
single
person
and
they
will
take
the
money
you're
going
to
give
them
and
make
sure
it's
put
to
good
use.
We
do
not
know
the
number
that
we
save
the
do
not
commit
suicide.
We
only
know
the
number
that
we
did
not
reach
in
time
because
of
suicide.
U
So
by
having
a
live
person,
answer
the
phone
and
have
the
resources,
whether
it's
rent,
whether
it's
a
ability
to
help
them
from
becoming
suicidal
or
whether
it's
an
education
to
get
a
job
or
whether
it's
simply
to
help
them
make
a
car
payment
or
simply
to
have
somebody
to
talk
to.
If
anybody's
been
through
a
suicide
attempt
or
a
person
talking
to
them,
they
realize
many
times
that
person
needs
a
person
on
the
other
end
of
the
phone
to
talk
to
a
connectivity.
U
A
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
We
do
have
a
few
questions
and
y'all
have
already
we
we
met
with
chairman
Petrie.
He
is
aware
of
the
need
and
everything
but
where
the
committee
can
help,
as
as
the
budget
process
takes
place
over
the
next
well
session,
for
for
the
biennial
budget,
you
know
it
doesn't
matter,
it
doesn't
hurt
to
have
a
casual
mention
of
it
or
anything.
A
O
Yes,
thank
you.
What
an
honor
to
have
such
an
impactful
organization
in
my
city
of
Louisville
and
in
J-Town,
where
I
grew
up.
So
my
question
is
about
families
and
helping
families
to
know
what
to
do
to
support
their
family
members.
I'm.
A
teacher
and
I
did
a
full
day:
suicide
prevention,
training
and
I
learned.
You
know
you
asked
the
questions.
Are
you
suicidal
you
look
for
the
red
flags
like?
Are
you
giving
away
things?
O
T
Sure
well,
I
appreciate
your
question.
I
we
have
a
team
of
case
managers
who
are
who
are
well
trained
and
have
done
this
for
many
years
to
address
a
multitude
of
issues.
What
I'm
most
proud
about
them
is
probably
their
humility
to
be
able
to
say
sometimes
we're
the
right
organization
to
help
you,
and
sometimes
there
are
others
who
are
better
at
it,
and
so
in
the
case
of
they
can
assess
the
situation
very
quickly
and
determine
okay.
T
Is
this
something
that
we
can
address
right
now
or
is
this
something
maybe
that
a
professional
at
the
VA
is
going
to
be
a
little
better
for
so
I
like
to
think
of
them
as
that?
First,
that
first
line
of
contact
to
kind
of
triage
the
situation
and
then
and
then
move
them
through,
so
they
they
ask
the
questions
that
you
mentioned
they
go
through
and
and
assess
that
and
try
to
determine
the
immediate
need,
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
V
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
really
I
have
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question,
but
I
recently
got
to
visit
their
headquarters
at
USA.
Cares,
spend
some
time
with
them,
and
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
facility.
I
got
to
hear
some
audio
recordings
of
individuals
that
they
had
helped
and
the
impact
that
they're
having
on
these
families
in
Kentucky
is
huge,
and
you
know
like
he
said.
U
W
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
you
touched
on
my
question
a
little
bit
but
I'd
like
to
elaborate
the
budget
subcommittees.
The
review
budget
subcommittees
are
meeting
now,
and
it
would
really
be
helpful
if
we
knew
your
ask
I'm
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
you're
meeting
with
representative
Petrie
and
you're
on
on
the
job,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
what
it
in
what
you
need
in
terms
of
budget
request
and.
T
X
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
This
is
not
a
question
either.
It's
just
a
little
bit
of
an
echo
I
stumbled
across
your
guys,
like
seven
years
ago,
went
to
one
of
your
events
totally
impressed.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
how
much
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
and
I
would
just
Echo.
That
I
will
be
speaking
with
the
a
r
chairman
as
well
seeing
what
we
can
do
to
get
you
guys.
X
Y
Y
You
know
many
of
our
homes
were
flooded,
I
heard
from
some
folks
who
were
capable
of
reaching
out
to
Veterans
Services
organizations
such
as
your
own
as
well
for
help
in
situations
where
they
didn't
have
enough
money
to
repair
the
flood
damage.
But
then
something
else
happened
and
they
were
going
to
be
out
expenses
and
your
organizations
were
able
to
help
to
keep
those
folks
in
their
homes.
U
R
U
Y
Well,
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
point
that
that's
a
that's
a
great
idea,
I'm,
not
sure
who
filed
that
bill
here,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
I've
co-sponsored
that
bill
before,
but
also
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know,
for
instance,
those
property
taxes
are
other
things
that
impede
these
veterans
from
being
able
to
make
repairs
to
their
homes.
You
know
a
specific
situation
in
our
group
we
had
I
had
a
veteran.
His
basement
was
flood
which
took
out
his
entire
heating
and
cooling
system.
B
Y
He
has
to
use
the
money
that
he's
saved
to
repair
his
roof
on
on
repairing
the
flood
and,
of
course
you
have
to
pay
the
taxes,
because
you
don't
want.
You
know
the
you
know
the
home
to
go
into
default.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
help
that
you
offer.
Thank.
C
A
couple
questions
around
the
statistics
that
you
shared
regarding
the
amount
of
applications
that
you
get
as
well
as
the
kind
of
average
of
four
thousand
dollars
per
family.
That's
needed.
Do
you
all
have
any
data
that
you're
able
to
collect
on
the
families
or
individuals
that
you
have
to
turn
away
due
to
lack
of
funding.
T
It's
we
do.
We
do
I
think
we
can
look
at
it
from
a
couple
different
standpoints-
it's
not
quite
as
black
and
white,
because
they
will
they
will
receive
assistance
in
some
capacity.
So
there
are
very
few
all-out
rejections
in
many
cases.
Unfortunately,
there's
some
some
fraudulent
applications
of
people
who
aren't
even
veterans
who
try
to
receive
funding.
T
We
have
to
sift
through
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
other
issues
of
people
trying
to
to
get
money,
so
those
are
all
considered
in
those
those
rejections,
but
I
can
get
you
the
the
data
representative
stalker
as
far
as
the
number
that
are
coming
in
versus
what
we
can
afford.
I
can
tell
you
to
fully
assist
that
that
four
thousand
dollar
number
to
be
able
to
help
everybody
that
would
be
coming
to
me.
T
C
What
I
was
looking
for?
Thank
you
for
that.
That's
incredibly
helpful
and
then
do
you
have
any
limitations
as
far
as
the
assistance
that
you
can
give
times
that
you
can
provide
that
assistance.
I
know
frequently
with
food
banks,
for
example,
you
know
once
a
month
or
you
know,
there's
limitations.
Do
you
guys
have
any
restrictions
like
that,
so.
T
Initially,
we
offer
them
a
one-time,
what
we
call
a
one-time
assistance,
but
we
will
allow
them
to
reapply
and
we
don't
want
it
to
be
so
cold
and
black
and
white.
That
say
we're
all
going
to
help
you
once
and
then
you're
out,
but
in
many
cases
we
also
don't
want
to
be
an
organization
that
allows
somebody
to
not
get
back
on
their
own
feet.
So
we
want
to
assist
once
and
get
them
going.
T
C
And
then
I
just
would
like
to
close
with
a
comment,
so
my
background's
in
the
non-profit
sector
and
I
really
appreciated
the
fact
that
you
started
your
comments
off
with
the
amount
of
money
that
goes
to
actually
serving
right.
The
individuals
in
the
mission
and
I
think
it's
important
for
for
individuals
to
understand
that
it
costs
money
to
employ
highly
compassionate
skilled,
intelligent
people
to
do
this
work
because,
as
somebody
who's
worked
in
the
nonprofit
sector
for
years,
you're
competing
with
the
for-profit
sector
for
talent
and
that's
just
a
game.
C
A
A
AA
Project
DieHard
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
forward
operating
base
rush
in
beautiful
McCann
Illinois,
a
luscious
20-acre
piece
of
property
with
a
10
000
square
foot,
building
that
once
remodeled
will
house
up
to
12
veterans
and
their
families
to
help
them
get
back
on
their
feet.
Folks,
this
is
where
your
22
dollars
a
month
is
going
right
here
in
the
corner
you're
going
to
see
where
the
veterans
Ranch
will
have
a
forest
all
barn
and
provide
Equine
Therapy
Services
to
Veterans
and
families
staying
at
forward
operating
base
rush
around
the
pond.
AA
There
will
also
be
a
playground,
a
generic
classroom,
a
gym
and
a
pavilion
where
you
can
just
relax
and
enjoy
the
beautiful
scenery
behind
the
pond
are
Trails.
There
will
be
a
retreat
center
that
can
hold
up
to
24
people
for
a
weekend
event.
So
if
you
would
like
to
bring
your
veteran
non-profit
out
to
forward
operating
base
rush,
we
just
ask
that
you
do
not
charge
the
folks
staying
here
for
any
services
that
you
provide.
AA
Here's
another
beautiful
overview
of
what
you'll
see
when
you
come
in
to
forward
operating
base
Rush,
whether
you
want
to
ride
some
horses
drop,
a
line
into
the
pond
and
catch
some
bass
and
bluegill,
or
just
relax,
Under
The
Pavilion
and
enjoy
the
scenery
and
alleviate
some
stress
that
you
might
be
having
in
your
life
project
die
hard
and
forward
operating
base.
Rush
are
here
to
provide
those
services
for
you
and
we'll
be
here
as
long
as
you
need.
We
thank
you
for
your
time.
God
bless.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
I
had
to
do
something
right,
so
I
started
to
work
on
a
tribute
bike
with
a
plan
to
ride
it
Coast
to
Coast,
because
me,
and
some
of
my
brothers
that
were
Kia
had
that
planned
when
we
got
back
I'm
working
with
two
of
my
brothers
when
I
get
a
phone
call
from
the
wife
of
Sergeant
First
Class
Eric,
tempinski
she's
in
panic,
going
doc
doc.
What
do
I
do?
Z
2018
project
DieHard
was
formed,
the
name
everybody
asked
project,
we're
always
working.
It's
a
project
where
all
of
us
working
Die
Hard
comes
from
my
time
with
the
first
Infantry
Division.
First
Engineer
Battalion,
the
Die
Hard
battalion,
no
Mission
too
difficult
No
sacrifice
too
great
Duty.
First,
we
started
to
raise
funds
for
120
acres
in
Livingston
County
to
build
fort
hope,
our
national
headquarters
2019.
We
just
got
our
feet
under
for
us.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
With
file
brush
we're
still
opening
up
to
any
Veterinary
anywhere,
so
we're
in
Paducah,
but
I'm
three
miles
from
Illinois
veterans
can
come
I,
don't
care
where
they're
from
if
they
need
help
we're
here,
but
our
facilities
once
we
get
them
operational
bus
run
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
between
project,
Die,
Hard,
Fort,
hope
and
file
brush
we're
going
to
be
bringing
75,
full-time
and
28
part-time
jobs
representative.
You
were
saying
in
the
nonprofit
World
finding
them
people
I
got
them,
they
volunteer.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
So
people
understand
when
we
talk
about
the
number
look,
the
VA
report,
some
states
report-
some
don't,
but
the
VA
doesn't
determine
cause
of
death
and
I
understand
why
the
local
Corner
medical
examiner
says.
Oh,
that
was
an
accidental
overdose
or
it
was
a
car
accident
because
they're
trying
to
save
the
family
benefits,
because
if
it's
a
suicide
to
take
it
away,
anybody
that
gives
to
us
has
the
right
to
come
and
visit.
Any
facility
request
our
financials
to
see
where
your
blessing
goes.
A
A
A
AB
A
AC
AB
AB
AB
AB
2018
126
veterans
took
their
lives,
2019
103
veterans
took
their
lives,
2020
125
veterans
took
their
lives
and
in
2021,
when
the
study
was
completed,
111
veterans
took
their
lives,
I'm.
Also
a
state
Service
Officer
for
a
DAV
Department
of
Kentucky
and
have
been
for
years.
I've
interviewed
thousands
of
veterans
for
their
claims
to
file
claims
the
Veterans
Affairs
a
face-to-face
interviews.
AB
AB
Recently,
I
live
in
Brownsville,
which
south
of
here
population
about
700
I,
had
a
veteran
to
live
there
and
needed
help
for
probably
years
with
PTSD
is
an
Iraqi
veteran
Iraqi
War
veteran
I
filed
a
claim
for
him
make
a
long
story
short.
It
was
approved
for
70
percent
for
PTSD
and
20
percent
more
for
Associated
conditions
to
PTSD,
so
he
had
90
percent
service
connection,
disability.
AB
AB
Unfortunately,
with
the
short
session
this
year,
I
wasn't
able
to
get
on
the
floor
for
any
kind
of
a
vote,
but
I
I
would
appreciate
you
being
able
to
look
at
I
I,
believe
you
all
may
have
copies
of
the
drafts
that
I've
written.
It's
simply
written
dropped
by
a
simple
man,
it's
about
a
page
and
a
half
typed,
and
what
I'd
like
to
read
just
a
couple
of
highlights
from
the
draft
bill
section.
One
is
the
title.
AB
AB
Professionals,
willing
to
donate
time,
psychologists,
psychiatrists,
prevent,
put
a
database
together
of
providers
in
this
bill.
I
think
what
this
may
do
would
be
the
base
source
of
these
Partnerships
I.
Think
this
piece
of
legislation
can
bring
all
these
together
because
the
coin
of
phrase
from
someone
else
that
takes
the
village
and
I
believe
in
this
case
it
does.
AB
AB
A
Any
of
that
follow-up
information
if
you
could
get
that
to
Jessica
or
Logan
through
and
then
they
can
send
it
out
to
all
committee
members
and
same
same
with
you
too,
if
you
want
to
send
a
you
know
copy
of
the
bill
and
I'm,
not
sure
who
carried
it
representative.
Where
you
look
is
that
the
bill
from
last
year
or.
A
AC
To
do
yes,
sir
mentioned
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
have
a
brief.
A
brief
comment
here.
I'm
I'm,
proud
to
to
sit
here
beside
my
friend,
Michael's
stoyonovich.
He
is
a
former
chairman
of
the
joint
executive
Council
of
Veteran
organizations.
He
is
a
long
time
supporter
of
veteran
Suicide
Prevention
and
has
been
a
tremendous
advocate
for
that.
AC
You
may
not
also
know
the
fact
that
he
is
the
primary
person
that
was
in
charge
of
the
green
alert
bill
that
you
all
passed
just
a
few
sessions
ago.
Go
that
is
also
helping
a
veterans.
So
Mike
is
his
heart's
in
the
right
place,
his
head's
in
the
right
place.
This
is
a
good
start,
and
it
is
time
Mr
chairman
for
the
committee
in
both
Chambers,
to
take
a
very
serious
look
and
on
behalf
of
the
26
veteran
ORD
service
organizations
who
are
members
of
jackfo.
AC
AC
It
comes
from
the
heart
when
we
do
something
about
it.
If
the
general
assembly
in
your
wisdom
would
come
forth
with
a
substantial
piece
of
legislation,
dealing
with
suic
veteran
Suicide
Prevention
I
am
confident
that
jackfo
and
the
26
veterans
service
organizations
that
are
members
of
our
organizations.
We
will
be
strongly
behind
you
with
that
piece
of
legislation,
and
so
we
encourage
you
to
continue
to
do
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chairman
thank.
J
J
You
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
for
veterans,
I
myself
served
27
years
in
the
Air
Force,
and
what
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
do
is
to
hold
us
accountable.
We
can
pass
legislation
if
we
don't
pass
this
legislation
to
stop
veterans
from
killing
themselves,
then
all
we've
done
is
made
it
a
bumper
sticker.
We
support
veterans
and
my
question.
My
request
is
I,
know
you're
trying
to
be
respectful,
but
everyone
here
has
said
they
believe
in
what
you
said.
All
the
everyone.
J
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We'll
have
all
the
the
members
will
get
a
copy
of
what
you've
presented
we'll
have
that
sent
out.
So
if
any
of
you
all
want
to
work
with
Mike,
you
sure
can
and
trying
to
get
legislation
crafted
or
so,
but
we
appreciate
y'all
y'all's
time
and
being
here
we
are
getting
late
in
the
hour.
A
AD
AD
AD
So
my
name
is
Michael
Carmichael
I'm,
a
cw4
retired
out
of
fifth
Special
Forces
Group,
so
I
had
the
honor
of
starting
my
military
career
in
Fort
Knox
basic
in
AIT
I
was
17
years
old,
as
a
junior
in
high
school
and
I
had
the
honor
of
ending
my
career
after
18
years
straight
serving
fifth
Special
Forces
Group
I
had
a
combined
total
of
11
tours
in
combat
I
said
my
commanders.
Let
me
do
that
because
without
their
faith
and
confidence,
I
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
do
that
and
Lead
men
into
combat
next
slide.
AD
So
that's
me:
here's
our
mission
statement
check
event
will
prevent
veteran
suicide
by
raising
public
awareness
and
calling
upon
Americans
citizens
to
meaningfully
and
routinely
engage
veterans.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
have
to
build
a
base
of
support
around
our
veterans.
That's
our
families,
our
neighbors,
our
friends
and
our
fellow
veterans.
Who's
on
our
team.
First
guy
to
join
my
team
was
The
Honorable
Mr
secretary
Christopher
Miller,
who
was
president
Trump's
last
Secretary
of
Defense
didn't
hurt
the
20
years
ago.
AD
The
second
person
was
I
needed
some
subject
matter:
experts
on
suicide
prevention
and
mental
health.
This
is
psychiatric
nurse
practitioner
fig
run
she's
in
Ohio
next
slide
to
help
us
with
our
our
books
and
our
administrative
tasks.
I
got
Dave
Wilson.
He
is
a
former
commander
and
current
Regional
commander
of
the
VFW
and
I,
also
have
the
support
of
the
American
Legion
next
slide
keys
to
success.
AD
We
got
to
do
a
couple
of
things.
At
the
same
time,
the
state
has
to
have
our
efforts,
your
efforts
next
slide,
but
also
for
Success.
We
have
to
get
better
in
suicide
prevention
down
on
the
community
level.
Next
slide,
one
more
our
program
is
really
three-pronged:
at
the
national
and
Regional
level.
We
have
to
raise
awareness
of
Veteran
suicide,
I
guarantee
you
I'm,
going
to
show
you
things
in
this
briefing
that
you
haven't
seen
today,
or
you
haven't
seen
ever
to
raise
awareness.
The
second
thing
we
have
to
do
is
call
upon
Americans.
AD
We
have
to
call
upon
the
citizens
of
Kentucky
and
neighbors
and
Friends
to
have
a
meaningful
and
routine
relationship
with
the
veterans
in
their
lives.
That's
going
to
build
a
base
of
support,
that's
24,
7
365..
It's
the
base
of
support
that
our
veterans
need
in
that
time
of
need
for
that
phona
friend,
for
that
crisis
management.
Next.
AD
So
this
is
the
first
piece
that
I
produced
with
the
assistance
of
secretary
Miller
and
I
titled
it.
What
is
your
veteran
suicide?
This
needs
to
be
an
attention
getter,
because
people
failed
at
this
so
miserably
as
I.
Would
ask
these
questions
to
my
friends
and
neighbors
that
I
had
to
make
this
piece
go
ahead.
AE
Yeah,
hello,
everyone!
How
much
do
you
know
about
veteran
suicide,
I'm,
Chris,
Miller,
former
acting
Secretary
of
Defense,
but,
more
importantly,
Army,
veteran
and
I
would
like
to
see
how
much
or
little
you
actually
know
about
veteran
suicide.
Please
watch
the
following
clip
and
find
out
what
your
veteran
suicide
IQ
is
brought
to
you
by
check
event.
AE
AE
AD
AD
AD
But
then
I
was
so
angry
that
this
is
the
number
that
they
used
over
the
top
of
my
op-ed
and
as
the
first
thing
I'm
trying
to
do
is
raise
awareness
to
veteran
suicide.
The
first
thing
you
have
to
do
is
to
find
the
scope
of
the
problem.
How
bad
is
it
so
for
some
producer
on
Fox
News,
just
to
Google
it
and
then
post
that
as
the
fact,
it's
tragic?
AD
AD
So
hold
it
right
there
does.
The
VA
have
a
number
is
the
is
the
number
published
anywhere
it
took
me
18
months
to
actually
find
the
number,
but
the
VA
does
have
a
number.
It's
an
appendix
508
and
it's
buried
under
about
five
layers
of
web
pages.
That
I
can't
even
find
every
time
I
go
to
look
for
it.
It
takes
me
about
five
to
ten
minutes,
it's
difficult
to
find.
So
what
is
the
number?
We
just
saw
it
in
the
video
foreign?
AD
AD
AD
Yeah
big
time
we're
going
to
talk
about
operation
deep
dive
operation,
deep
dive
was
actually
by
the
American
warrior:
partnership
on
a
3.5
million
dollar
Grant
from
Bristol
Meyer
Squibb,
which
is
kind
of
interesting,
because
I
would
think
that
they
would
be
more
interested
in
selling
more
medicines
than
they
are
preventing
better
suicide.
But
it
was
very
generous.
AD
Awp
did
something
brilliant
in
that
they
kept
their
hands
clean
of
the
study
they
hired
the
University
of
Alabama
to
collect
all
the
information
and
Duke
University.
This
study
was
over
five
years
in
eight
different
states.
In
my
opinion,
born
and
raised
in
Montana,
the
most
thoughtful
state
that
awp
used
in
the
study
was
Montana
because
it
had
been
number
one
for
the
last
18
years
and
is
currently
number
two.
AD
So
what
they
found
is
the
va's
numbers
are
under
reported
by
a
factor
of
2.4
so
that
just
turned
127
000
into
306..
They
attribute
most
of
those
deaths
to
overdose
overdose
is
classified
in
mortician
and
medical
examiners
reports
ucd-10
codes
as
a
self-inflicted
mortality.
It
doesn't
matter
if
somebody
was
trying
to
get
high
according
to
their
blood
levels
or
if
they
were
swinging
for
the
fence.
Trying
to
check
out
it's
not
counted
as
a
suicide.
AD
AD
White
veterans
account
for
87
percent
white
veterans,
make
up
about
five
times
more
of
a
demographic
than
any
other
veterans,
currently
in
the
dod
or
the
VA
system.
Very
ironically,
to
me,
black
veterans
are
only
at
six
percent.
Which
is
less
than
half
of
the
nation's
average
of
13.5
percent
for
2020,
according
to
the
CDC.
So
I
want
to
know
what
that
Community
is
doing
right
and
learn
from
that
and
and
help
all
of
us
do.
Better
male
veterans
account
for
96
percent
of
Veteran
suicides,
wow
35
and
over
there
was.
AD
AD
Where
are
they
doing
it
they're
doing
it
in
rural
areas?
So
we're
talking
older
white
veterans
in
rural
areas,
kind
of
sounds
like
Kentucky
to
me
next
slide.
How
are
they
doing
it
this?
This
is
a
point
of
much
controversy,
but
the
facts
are
the
facts.
Next
slide,
66
percent
of
suicides
are
are
by
firearms.
AD
There
are
I
study
suicide
on
the
World
level
through
the
World
Health
Organization
I've
dedicated
my
life
to
this
through
the
CDC
and
samsa
I,
say
I.
Take
these
Lessons
Learned
and
I
wrap
the
camouflage
around
it
and
with
regards
to
firearms,
when
somebody
decides
to
hurt
themselves,
Firearms
is
just
a
convenient
mode.
AD
AD
AD
Special
circumstance,
two
years
ago,
we
saw
something
that
we
had
never
seen.
The
va's
vernacular
had
always
been
more
veterans
and
their
life
by
Suicide
that
are
outside
of
the
va's
Health
Care
system
than
inside
two
years
ago.
That's
the
first
time
we
saw
a
flip
where
veterans
who
are
in
the
VA
Health
Care
system
outnumbered
those
outside,
so
their
narrative
kind
of
changed.
When
that
happened,
then
their
narrative
became
well.
We've
got
the
harder
case,
veterans,
I,
I,
guess
I
would
have
to
come
up
with
something
as
well.
Next
slide
call
to
action.
AD
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
get
people
involved
in
veterans,
lives,
people
all
learn
in
different
ways.
Some
some
it's
an
easy
learn.
Some
you
might
have
to
startle
them.
Some
show
them.
What
right
looks
like
so
we've
prepared
a
couple
of
call
to
action,
videos
so
that
you
can
help
or
so
that
I
can
help.
You
understand
some
of
the
work
in
this
one
category
that
check
events
doing
man.
AD
AF
AD
AH
AG
AF
AH
M
AF
It
went
really
well,
he
got
lucky
and
right
when
he
got
out.
He
got
a
job
with
local
weather
station
taking
life
with
the
same
fire.
He
had
in
the
military
he's
getting
a
masters
in
civil
engineering,
rather
he
majored
in
business.
So
he
can
come
work
with
me,
but
you
know
how
that
goes.
He's
got
an
amazing
wife
gave
me
two
amazing
grandkids
and
he's
just
doing
amazing.
It's
great.
C
AH
AF
AD
AD
If
we
don't
decide
to
educate
ourselves
on
what
you
should
do.
If
your
veteran
is
an
immediate
crisis,
it
might
hurt
themselves
could
happen
how
many
people
are
susceptible
to
suicide.
In
this
piece
we
looked
at
for
each
suicide,
the
correlation
to
other
stressors
that
might
bring
somebody
to
Suicide.
Thankfully,
this
is
a
short
video.
AD
AD
The
the
next
Slide,
the
next
video
here
I
hope,
I
hope
you
guys
have
seen
it.
It
was
released
on
Memorial
Day
weekend.
It's
of
a
veteran
who's
extremely
stressed
out,
he's
sitting
in
his
car
in
the
parking
lot
of
the
VA
and
he's
he's
lamenting
about
continuity
of
care.
He's
lamenting
about
hafting
to
retell
his
story
over
and
over
again
he's
lamenting
about
his
medications,
an
unavailability
of
all
of
those
things.
AD
Our
approach
in
calling
to
action,
Americans
citizens
of
Kentucky
in
our
towns
builds
a
base
of
support
for
veterans
just
like
that,
so
that
they
have
a
24
7
Network,
so
that
when
they
struggle
they
can
they
have
somebody
to
call
they
don't
need
to
retell
their
story.
They
don't
need
to
wait
for
weeks
and
months
to
get
an
appointment.
It's
readily
available,
it's
next
door,
so.
AD
Do
you
know
what
to
do
if
you
walked
in
a
room
and
your
veteran
was
going
to
hurt
himself,
you
can
go
to
check
event.org
and
find
it
we're.
Not
writing
this
stuff,
I
capture
it
from
other
websites
that
I
find
to
be
credible,
engaging
and
and
realistic.
So
please
go
to
checkabet.org
and
you
can
re
you.
Can
you
can
see
all
of
these
education
pieces
suicide
safety
plan?
That's
the
Brown
suicide
safety
plan.
It's
a
real
thing!
It's
right
there,
where
everybody
can
use
it
engagement
strategies.
AD
Some
of
the
speakers
today
have
talked
about
how
they
engaged
the
veterans
in
their
lives.
They're
doing
the
right
thing,
I
get
people
who
approach
me
all
the
time
as
I'm
at
NASCAR
events,
Sturgis
the
biggest
cat,
the
biggest
fish
fry
in
in
America,
the
likes
I,
get
approached
by
people
who
want
to
do
the
right
thing
by
the
way
of
their
veterans,
but
they
don't
know
how
to
approach
them.
They
don't
know
how
to
engage
them.
AD
AD
You
got
to
start
simple,
and
this
is
how
I
got
started.
What
made
a
difference
for
me
as
I
got
out
of
the
army,
to
put
it
into
context,
26
years
in
the
army,
22
of
those
as
a
Green
Beret
and
a
ranger
near
the
end
of
my
career,
I
was
pulled
out
of
the
army,
given
a
blue
blue
badge
and
I
went
to
work
for
the
CIA
as
a
case
officer
after
that,
I
was
putting
the
dent
into
my
bed.
I
isolated
myself.
I
was
depressed.
AD
AD
We
have
to
learn
the
subtle
signs
of
of
Veteran
suicide
or
potential
suicide,
there's
lots
of
them,
and
these
are
suicide
risk
factors,
and
these
are
things
that
can
very
subtly
be
communicated,
because
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
most
people
who
are
considering
hurting
themselves
tip
their
hands.
So,
let's
all
learn
how
to
recognize
those
signs
and
symptoms.
AD
AD
We
talk
about
this
team
of
check
event.
We
talk
about
our
approach
and
strategies
as
the
key.
It
was
briefly
mentioned
earlier
that
the
lock
that
the
key
needs
to
open
is
the
Veterans
themselves.
They
have
to
be
open
to
this.
You
have
to
be
willing
to
know
that
it's
okay
to
not
be
okay
for
26
years
in
the
army,
all
I
knew
was
take
the
mountain
you
know
go
do
come
back
when
it's
done,
I
I
didn't
have
time
to
complain
about
it
or
raise
a
hand,
say
I'm,
hurt
or
I
need.
AD
AD
AD
This
was
one
of
the
most
interesting
things
for
me
to
learn
in
my
study
of
suicide.
This
was
the
only
study
that
I've
ever
seen
the
medical
community
do
didn't.
Have
a
control
group
really
didn't
have
much
of
a
scientific
Approach
at
all.
They
had
a
thesis
and
then
they
looked
to
the
data
to
prove
the
thesis
their
thesis
was
well,
it's
got
to
be
combat
veterans,
but
what
the
data
showed
them
was.
AD
AD
Nope
they're,
not
you
have
a
mental
illness,
If
you're
diagnosed
with
something
if
you
exhibit
signs
and
symptoms
of
a
mental
illness,
a
lot
of
veterans,
a
lot
of
people.
This
isn't
just
for
veterans.
This
is
for
people,
okay,
if
they,
if
they
unexpectedly
end
their
life
by
Suicide,
that
does
not
buy
them
a
diagnosis
of
mental
illness.
Okay,
mental
illness
does
not
always
drive
the
Train
on
suicide.
AD
This
leads
me
to
the
administration's
priorities:
to
prevent
veteran
suicide.
We
all
talk
about
lethal,
mean
safety.
That's
the
number
one
thing
in
my
opinion,
and
that's
one
of
my
favorite
things
to
say
because
whatever
comes
after
is
never
wrong.
At
least
to
me,
in
my
opinion,
that's
like
jumping
out
of
an
airplane,
with
your
parachute
standing
on
top
of
a
ladder
right
before
the
ground.
AD
You're,
never
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
to
that.
If
you
were
method
of
preventing
suicide
as
lock
up
guns,
one
you've
completely
lost
your
audience
of
veterans,
it's
part
of
our
culture,
but
two.
We
need
Upstream
education
and
engagement
so
that
we
never
even
get
to
the
suicide
I
hope
that
that
makes
sense.
I'll
say
it
again:
we
have
to
be
Upstream.
We
have
to
do
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
here.
His
second
priority
is
enhance
Crisis
Care,
so
once
they
hurt
themselves,
we'll
have
a
better
chance
of
saving
them.
AD
AD
This
is
the
first
of
its
kind
anywhere
for
free
we're
going
to
build
a
peer-to-peer
support
group
for
veterans
and
their
family
members.
What
makes
check
event
unique
is
Veterans.
Aren't
our
key
targeted
demographic,
it's
the
base
of
support,
it's
the
families,
the
friends.
That
way
we
can
enhance
what
the
VA
is
doing,
with
what
the
veterans
need
and
that's
a
web
around
them
of
Love
support
and
understanding
the
only
in
the
region.
There's
one
peer-to-peer
support
group
and
that's
a
Cornerstone
in
Clarksville
Tennessee.
AD
The
problem
with
that
is
they
build
the
insurance
and
the
capacity
is,
is
very
small
next
slide,
so
for
family
members
we
want
to.
We
want
a
meeting
that
looks
like
Al-Anon
and
that's
to
put
tools
and
toolboxes,
provide
education,
shared
experiences
and
help
each
other
to
do
a
better
job
at
engaging
and
protecting
our
veterans.
AD
What's
the
cost
to
develop
this
check
event
just
submitted
to
staff
sergeant
Fox
Grant
through
the
VA,
the
most
you
can
ask
ask
for
is
750
000..
We
tried
to
be
very
fiscally
responsible,
which
I
hope
resonates
in
this
room
and
we
just
support.
We
submitted
a
plan
for
six
hundred
thousand
I'm
going
to
be
brutally
honest
with
you
guys
right
now.
AD
The
other
problem
with
the
staff
sergeant
Fox
Grant,
is
it's
not
even
for
a
whole
year.
It's
only
for
10
months.
We
got
to
build
this
thing
for
a
year.
There's
a
misconception
that,
because
veteran
suicide
reported
data
is
two
years
old
by
the
time
you
see
it,
it
would
take
three
to
five
years
to
actually
see
an
effect,
a
palpable
effect
of
your
program
on
suicide.
AD
It's
not
true.
We
have
access
to
veteran
suicide
crisis
line
data.
We
have
access
to
County
and
state
level
veteran
suicide
data.
I
suggest
we
can
start
seeing
the
result
of
our
efforts
after
the
first
year
excellent
once
we
build
it.
I
want
this
to
be
just
like
Alcoholics
Anonymous
sure
for
the
first
few
years,
there's
going
to
be
overhead
to
collect
the
data,
analyze
it
and
improve
and
improve
the
program,
but
when's
the
last
time
you
saw
a
major
effort.
That's
only
going
to
cost
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
proof
of
concept.
AD
AD
Keys
to
success,
we
all
have
to
work
together
both
as
a
state
as
the
communities
as
neighbors
friends
and
people
who
care
about
even
a
veteran
who's,
a
stranger
we
need
to
get
back
to
the
days
of
World,
War,
One
and
World
War
II,
when
the
American
citizenry
love
their
veterans,
so
much
that
back,
then
the
suicide
rate
of
veterans
was
actually
less
than
the
civilian
rate
get
back
to
loving
your
veterans.
It's
going
to
make
a
difference,
amen.
AD
Let's
do
better
I
hope
you
guys
want
to
work
with
check
event.
I
hope
we
can
get
support
from
the
state.
Everything
we
want
to
do
with
this
peer-to-peer
support
group
is
for
Kentucky
I
want
Kentucky
to
lead.
The
way
in
the
nation
show
America
what
right
looks
like
then
they
can
have
the
program
too
I,
don't
even
frankly
care.
If
you
put
check
event
on
it,
let's
build
a
program
that
works,
spread
it
across
the
state
share
it
with
the
nation
question.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
your
testimony,
members,
any
questions,
or
so
you
know
what
we're
seeing
is
is
quite
a
few
great
organizations
out
there
that
are
needing
a
little
bit
of
funding.
So
so
maybe
that
is
the
case
where,
where
we
put
together
a
group
and
and
look
at
at
how
we
do
this,
you
know
we
there's
some
great
organizations
that
are
in
this
community
or
in
this
room
and
there's
probably
others
across
the
state
that
we're
not
even
seeing
right
now
so
representative
Johnson
had
a
had.
A
Y
Y
Because
I
know
those
are
very
in
our
rural
areas,
and
you
know
I've
even
already
spoken
with
I
want
to
also
applaud
you
on
your
encouragement
to
engage
our
veterans.
Recently
I
went
to
a
memorial
day
service
where
our
veterans
were
there
playing,
Taps
and,
and
my
six-year-old
I'm,
not
sure
who
was
more
excited,
my
six-year-old
to
see
the
presentation
or
whether
they
were
excited
to
see
how
excited
he
was
to
see
the
presentation
and
after
that
I
spoke
to
some
of
our
military
veterans.
Y
Who
told
me
that
they're
volunteering
to
be
there
there's
no
payment
for
gas,
their
dress
uniforms.
You
know
I
know
that
we
provide
for
funeral
services
when
they
play
Taps
and
things
of
that
nature
and,
of
course
those
also
need
to
be
increased
when
you
take
into
account
the
price
of
gas
and
things
that
have
increased
lately.
Y
But
if
we
want
our
veterans
to
keep
participating,
I
think
it's
important
that
everyone
realize
that
when
they
attend
these
events,
a
lot
of
times
they're,
depending
upon
donations
from
the
community
to
to
get
these
veterans
out,
get
them
in
a
vehicle
and
transport
them
to
and
from
and
I
think
that
we
should
appreciate
that
and
I
just
hope
that
I
wasn't
aware
and
I'd
just
like
for
everyone
else
to
be
aware
that
sometimes
these
veterans
organizations
they
do
it
on
a
volunteer
basis.
So
thank.
A
You
thank
you.
We
appreciate
Charles
testimony
and
everyone
else
says
that's
still
in
the
room
here.
I
know
the
meeting's
gone
a
little
long,
but
this
is
a
topic.
I
didn't
want
to
cut
short
I
mean
this
is
something
that
it
deserves
plenty
of
time
and
and
thank
goodness,
we
we
have
have
you
all
fighting
for
it,
and,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
in
that
fight.
Also
members,
there
is
a
administrative
regulation
in
your
packet.
If
you
all
have
any
questions
or
any
issues
with
it
or
anything
like
that.