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A
Morning,
everybody
I
want
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
interim
joint
committee
on
judiciary
I
apologize
for
starting
a
couple
minutes
late,
but
we
had
a
medical
emergency
representative
namis
and
his
finger
and
a
terrible
zipper
incident
with
his
folder
over
there
folder
zipper,
but
anyways
no
joke
he
needed
to
get.
He
was
bleeding
and
we
need
to
get
that
taken
care
of
and
I
wanted
to.
Let
members
that
were
still
trickling
in
come
in
all
right:
Madam
Secretary,
where
we
are
good
there.
You
are
call
the
roll
Centerburg.
B
C
A
Anybody
have
any
guests
or
anyone
they
want
to
recognize
before
we
jump
in
okay,
seeing
none.
It
gives
me
great
pleasure
to
welcome
back
to
this
committee,
the
Chief
Justice
of
the
Kentucky
Supreme
Court
John
D
Minton
Jr.
A
He
had
an
opportunity.
The
Chief
Justice
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
before
my
committee
back
during
session
and
that
didn't
go
so
swiftly.
I
wanted
his
last
time
to
to
come
before
the
committee
to
be
a
little
more
positive
and
upbeat
and
have
as
I
have
each
year
or
just
about
every
year.
I've
been
the
chair,
give
him
an
opportunity
to
give
a
state
of
the
Court's
address
and
tell
us
whatever
he
feels
he
needs
to
share
with
the
legislative
branch
about
the
state
of
the
court
system
here
in
Kentucky
Chief.
First
things.
A
D
D
All
right,
thank
you
all
right,
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
chairman
Westerfield
and
chairman
Massey,
en
route
and
members
of
this
committee
and
guests
I'm
a
good
good
morning.
D
My
name
is
John
Minton
I'm,
the
Chief
Justice
of
Kentucky
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
join
what
would
be
I
guess
my
last
appearance
before
this
committee
as
chief
justice
and
I.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
Mr
chairman,
if
you'd
allow
me
a
a
really
a
moment
of
very
personal
privilege,
of
course
today,
if
I
were
to
give
the
state
of
the
Judiciary
at
this
moment,
the
state
of
Kentucky's
Judiciary
is
sad.
We're
saddened
by
the
death
of
Judge
Tom
emberton
of
Edmonton,
who
passed
away
overnight.
D
D
I'm
sure
that
everyone
in
the
Commonwealth
will
join
me
in
in
saying
Kentucky
has
lost
one
of
the
finest
people
that
we've
ever
known
finest
public
servant
and
a
great
example
to
all
of
us,
and
so
I
wanted
to
begin.
My
remarks
by
by
calling
that
to
to
our
Collective
attention
and
expressing,
on
behalf
of
the
court
of
justice,
our
our
deepest
sympathy
and
condolences
to
Julia
Lee
his
wife
and
to
his
children,
Laura
and
Tom
and
grandchildren.
A
Chief,
thank
you
for
that
I.
You
shared
that
before
the
meeting
and
I
wasn't
aware
of
that
news,
and
that
is
a
terrible
loss
for
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention
and
we'll
certainly
keep
Laura
and
Tom
in
our
prayers
and
the
rest
of
the
family.
Thank
you.
Chief.
D
Yeah
since
I'm,
not
seeking
re-election
for
another
term,
my
days
as
head
of
the
judicial
branch
are
quickly
coming
to
an
end
and
that
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
it's
it's
a
Bittersweet
time
for
me
as
I.
Look
back
over
30
years,
plus
on
the
bench
as
a
Justice
on
the
Supreme
Court,
a
judge
on
the
court
of
appeals,
a
judge
on
the
Circuit
Court,
and
look
ahead
to
my
retirement,
which
is
kind
of
an
unknown
territory.
D
To
be
honest,
people
ask
me
what
I'm
going
to
be
doing
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
we'll
have
more
time
for
my
family
and
my
grandson,
who
lives
in
Nashville
and
for
my
gardening
I
guess:
it'll
take
up
a
little
time
and
the
bees
that
I
try
to
keep
and
for
the
opportunities
that
lie
ahead,
that
I
have
yet
to
to
Really
identify.
D
But
today
I
want
to
share
some
of
my
reflections
of
this
14-year
Journey,
leading
as
leading
the
judicial
branch
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
glimpse
of
what
I
predict
would
be
the
future
for
Kentucky's
court
system.
There
are
many
unknowns
when
one
takes
on
a
new
job,
and
that
certainly
was
true
for
me
when
I
was
sworn
in
as
Chief
Justice
in
June
of
2008.
I
could
not
have
imagined
what
lay
ahead
for
me
in
terms
of
unprecedented
challenges,
but
neither
could
I
have
anticipated
the
scope
of
what
we
were
about
to
accomplish.
D
The
first
challenge
that
I
encountered
would
be
addressing
the
what's
been
now
known
as
the
Great
Recession
I
hope
that
there's
not
another
recession
that
overtakes
it
is
greater,
but
a
Great
Recession.
The
early
days
of
my
administration
were
roiled
with
the
Great
Recession
considered
to
be
the
worst
economic
downturn
in
our
country's
history.
Major
budget
budget
cuts
left
all
three
branches
of
Kentucky's
government
reeling
and
by
2012
the
judicial
branch
was
forced
to
furlough
employees.
D
For
the
first
time
in
modern
history
of
the
court
system,
we
had
to
close
Courthouse
doors
for
several
days
in
order
to
balance
the
budget.
At
the
same
time,
there
was
no
pay
Equity
plan,
no
funding
for
the
pay
Equity
plan
to
make
judicial
branch
salaries
competitive
with
the
rest
of
state
government
or
for
the
capital
projects
that
we
felt
we
needed
to
replace
the
court
system's
obsolete
case
management
system,
which
was
at
that
time
at
Great
risk
of
failure.
The
Great
Recession
took
a
tremendous
toll.
D
D
If
any
good
came
out
of
that
Grim
experience,
it
was
this.
We
we
learned
how
to
quickly
react.
When
faced
with
a
crisis,
we
learned
how
to
streamline
operations
and
still
meet
our
constitutionally
mandated
responsibilities.
D
We
learned
collectively
how
to
to
gather
the
grit
that
would
come
in
handy
when
the
next
thing
being
Next,
Big
Thing
hit
in
March
of
2020,
and
that,
of
course,
was
the
covid-19
pandemic
on
March,
the
6th,
the
governor
declared
a
state
of
emergency.
After
we
confirmed
our
first
covid
case
here
in
Kentucky
as
Society
shut
down,
the
courts
were
forced
immediately
to
move
from
in
person
to
Virtual
operations,
really
turning
on
a
dime
to
reinvent
our
entire
way
of
doing
business.
D
You
know
I
can
think
of
no
other
event
in
my
professional
lifetime
that
has
created
more
prolonged
disruption
and
I'm
sure
you'll
hold
I'm,
really
I'm,
not
telling
you
something
you
are
not
very,
very
aware
of,
but
disruption
to
the
courts
than
the
covid-19
pandemic.
Despite
this
disruption,
and
despite
the
restrictions
of
in-person
traffic
in
court
facilities,
I'm
really
very
proud
that
our
courts
never
closed.
D
Court
proceedings
were
certainly
unconventional
as
judges,
you
know,
tried
to
find
a
way
to
hold
court
and
we
turn
to
zoom
really
a
word
I
had
never
heard
of
before.
We
quickly
not
only
learned
to
say
it:
we
learned
how
to
find
it
and
how
to
do
it,
and
but
the
hard
work
and
extreme
patience
of
our
judges,
our
Circuit
Court
clerks
and
our
court
Personnel
helped
us
to
weather
the
storm,
and
although
the
Supreme
Court
Has
Lifted,
all
the
restrictions
for
in-person
proceeding
it's
and
it's
back
to
business
as
usual.
D
D
I
remember
addressing
this
committee
and
describing
the
the
court
system
as
a
you
know,
a
Gutenberg
world
in
the
Modern
Age
of
Google
and
that's
kind
of
where
we've
we've
tried
to
bring
ourselves
into
the
Modern
Age,
we're
using
technology
to
improve
access
to
Justice
and
make
courts
more
user-friendly
and
a
lot
of
credit
for
that
goes
to
the
general
assembly.
D
I've
worked
for
years
to
bring
about
judicial,
to
bring
judicial
salaries,
Branch
salaries
up
to
the
level
of
the
other
two
branches
of
state
government,
so
that
our
dedicated
non-elected
employees
can
be
paid
fairly
and
we
can
compete
for
those
compete
for
and
retain
the
High
Caliber
Talent.
That's
needed
to
operate
the
kind
of
court
system
that
this
Commonwealth
deserves.
I've
also
worked
to
improve
compensation
for
our
underpaid
elected
officials.
In
the
judicial
branch,
our
judges
earn
over
20
percent
less
than
the
national
average,
and
that
continues
to
be
the
case.
D
Our
Circuit
Court
clerks
make
an
average
of
11
to
13
percent
less
than
their
counterparts
in
the
very
same
county
in
the
county
clerk's
office.
We've
made
another
big
push
for
our
salary
parity
plan.
During
this
year's
budget
session,
and
while
the
final
budget
fell
short
of
fully
funding,
our
proposed
increases
I
was
very
pleased
that
all
non-elected
employees
off
probation
received
salary
increase
of
two
thousand
dollars
and
eight
percent
for
all
justices
judges
and
circuit
court
clerks
received.
Eight
percent
increase
as
well.
D
We're
grateful
for
that
I'm
grateful
for
what
we've
been
able
to
achieve
this
last
session
and
I
appreciate
the
legislature's
support
in
improving
judicial
branch
compensation
across
the
board.
Any
salary
increases
we
can
provide
to
our
elected
officials
and
non-elected
Court.
Personnel
are
well
deserved
and
long
overdue,
and,
despite
in
spite
of
these
gains,
I,
must
sound
the
alarm
about
the
still
lagging
salaries
of
Kentucky's
judges.
D
Their
raises
have
been
exceptionally
small
and
infrequent
over
the
past
20
years,
and
their
salaries
remain
among
the
lowest
in
the
country.
In
some
instances,
Kentucky
ranks
below
all
the
states
and
the
territories
save
to
and
their
salaries
remain
at
that
level.
Inadequate
pay
is
not
only
disheartening
for
the
current
judges,
but
it's
a
hindrance
to
attracting
the
best
and
brightest
attorneys
to
leave
Private
Practice
and
enter
the
Public
Service
of
the
Judiciary.
D
In
November,
nearly
every
judge
in
the
can
in
the
Commonwealth
is
on
the
ballot
and
come
January
we'll
see
a
huge
turnover
as
these
newly
elected
judges
take
office
as
our
Judiciary
changes
and
evolves.
I
encourage
the
general
assembly
to
protect
the
quality
and
integrity
of
this
extraordinary
asset
by
making
improved
compensation
for
judges
a
top
priority
in
the
years
ahead.
D
Over
several
decades,
Kentucky's
counties
saw
substantial
shifts
in
population
and
caseload,
while
the
judicial
circuits
and
districts
remained
largely
untouched
and
unlike
legislative
redistricting,
revising
judicial
boundaries
can't
be
accomplished
by
simply
making
changes
based
on
population.
Our
process
is
much
more
difficult
because
it's
based
on
caseload,
not
population
and
that
caseload
demands
determine
the
workload
of
the
circuit,
family
and
District
judges
in
2014.
The
judicial
branch
took
on
this
immense
task.
At
the
request
of
the
legislature
to
produce
a
Judicial
workload
assessment.
D
D
The
Supreme
Court
adopted
its
first
open
records
policy
for
the
administrative
records
of
the
Courts.
We
also
created
the
aoc's
first
internal
audit
department
and
audit
oversight
committee.
We
now
require
biennial
audits
of
the
Court
system's
Financial
records
and
we
have
a
fraud,
waste
and
abuse
tip
line
to
facilitate
complaints
against
Court
personnel.
D
The
Kentucky
access
to
Justice
Commission
is
also
a
critical
partner
in
helping
us
provide
Innovative
self-help
resources
to
those
handling
legal
matters.
Without
the
assistance
of
an
attorney.
We've
also
changed
processes
and
perspectives
to
reduce
disparities
in
in
courts
through
our
racial,
ethnic
and
Equity
disparities
initiative,
and
we
developed
our
first
Statewide
family
court
and
juvenile
court
rules
of
practice
and
procedure.
A
move,
that's
helped
create
uniformity
in
these
important
cases.
D
Mr
chairman,
it's
been
a
gratifying
and
at
times
tumultuous
14
years
and
I
appreciate
you
allowing
me
this
time
to
spend
just
a
moment
further
to
reflect
now.
I
briefly
want
to
look
ahead
at
sharing
my
thoughts
on
how
several
current
issues
will
have
a
growing
impact
on
the
future
of
the
judicial
branch.
The
2020
Global
protests
against
systemic
racism
sparked
by
succession
of
high
profile
police
brutality
cases
involving
black
Americans,
have
highlighted
awareness
of
differential
treatment
by
race
and
ethnicity
and
renewed
calls
to
address
these
inequities
in
the
court
system.
D
D
Public
institutions
face
a
growing
demand
for
services
on
digital
platforms
that
are
easy
to
use
and
easy
to
access.
In
addition
to
our
Kye
courts
initiative,
we've
started
using
text
notifications
as
reminders
for
court
dates
and
jury
service,
our
website
to
provide
a
wide
array
of
resources
and
electronic
transactions
and
social
media
to
drive
the
public
to
our
website.
Our
technology
must
continue
to
evolve
to
meet
the
changing
needs
of
the
modern
society.
D
Substance
use
and
mental
health
disorders
already
prevalent
across
Society
have
increased
with
the
chronic
stress
associated
with
the
covid-19
pandemic.
The
number
of
opioid
deaths
has
tragically
increased
since
the
covid-19
pandemic.
The
economic
uncertainties
and
racial
and
social
inequities
complicate
this
matter,
and
we
must
do
more
as
a
court
system
and
as
a
state
to
address
these
issues.
In
August,
we
launched
the
Kentucky
judicial
commission
on
Mental
Health,
an
ambitious
undertaking
that
has
72
members.
D
The
fundamental
meaning
and
nature
of
work
is
evolving
rapidly
as
a
result
of
digital
and
augmented
intelligence
shifts
from
physical
to
Virtual,
workspaces,
multi-generational,
expectations
of
the
work
environment
and
job
satisfaction
and
the
need
for
new
and
different
skills
to
accommodate
the
jobs
in
the
future.
So
the
court
system
must
keep
Pace
with
these
changes
to
remain
competitive
in
a
challenging
job
market.
D
Climate
change,
who
would
have
thought
the
Chief
Justice,
would
be
talking
about
that
climate
change
to
effect
continues
to
affect
areas
such
as
human
health,
the
quality
and
quantity
of
water,
energy,
transportation,
agriculture,
forests
and
ecosystems.
Climate
change
is
also
behind
more
severe
and
more
frequent
natural
disasters
like
the
tornadoes
and
flooding
our
Commonwealth
faced
last
year,
snow
yesterday
in
Somerset
right.
D
D
Together,
we've
positioned
the
court
system
for
a
bright
and
viable
future
through
honest,
open
communication
and
a
relationship
based
on
Mutual
trust
and
I
really
say
that
in
most
sincerity,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
part.
The
role
that
you
have
played
in
others
who
are
sitting
before
me
in
making
that
happen.
D
I
also
appreciate
our
many
other
partners,
including
the
three
governors
under
whose
leadership
I
have
served
as
chief
justice,
the
state
agencies,
County
and
local
governments,
treatment
providers,
schools,
businesses,
Community
organizations
that
have
all
worked
alongside
us
to
tackle
tough
issues
and
Implement
solutions
to
enhance
the
lives
of
the
people.
We
serve
I've
been
fortunate
to
count
as
colleagues
and
friends
the
exceptional
justices
who
sit
on
the
Supreme
Court,
who
share
my
love
of
the
law,
and
it's
been
an
honor
to
work
with
the
judges.
D
I'm
privileged
to
have
had
a
hand
in
encouraging
our
court
community
to
find
the
middle
ground
as
much
as
possible
and
to
work
with
them
for
the
preferred
outcome.
As
Eleanor
Roosevelt
said
for
our
own
success
to
be
real,
it
must
contribute
to
the
success
of
others,
and
that
Mr
chairman
should
be
the
motto
of
the
court
system.
D
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
my
wife,
Susan
and
our
children,
who
have
indulged
my
desire
to
find
professional
and
personal
fulfillment
in
the
public
Arena
of
Judicial
Service
they've
made
a
great
sacrifice
to
make
my
life
complete
and
finally,
as
I
exit
the
stage
or
rather
as
I
step
away
from
the
bench.
I
want
to
leave
you
with
a
charge,
as
you
carry
on
your
important
work
of
governing
I
can
say
with
great
certainty
that
the
state
of
the
judicial
branch
in
Kentucky
is
strong
and
nothing
is
more
Paramount
than
preserving
its
independence.
D
I
want
to
thank
you
again,
Mr
chairman,
for
making
this
time
available
to
me,
allowing
me
to
share
my
thoughts
with
this
committee
and
with
the
through
you
with
the
entire
legislative
branch.
With
that
I
conclude
my
remarks.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
Thank
you
and
very
easy
for
us
to
talk
to
here
and
and
communicate
with
from
the
legislative
side.
So
good
luck
in
your
future
endeavors
and
thank
you.
This
is
this
deals
with
covid
future
spikes.
Future
events,
in
your
learned
opinion,
do
you
feel
that
Judiciary
is
ready?
If
we
have
another
covet
event,
is
the
technology
in
place?
Is
the
Judiciary
ready,
so
we
will
not
see
some
of
the
delays
we
saw
in
the
first
round.
You
know
criminal
trials
evictions.
Those
types
of
things
are
you
prepared
to
feel.
D
Well,
I
think,
yes
and
yes
much
better
prepared
than
we
were
before,
because
literally
we've
formulated
our
first
order
as
a
supreme
court.
First
of
all,
we
felt
that
it
was
needed
for
the
first
time
for
us
to
address
like
the
whole
system,
not
just
on
of
county-by-county
basis,
and
that
was
a
different
approach,
but
we
weren't
sure,
but
we
thought
that
first
order
this
this
will
take
what
30
days
60
days
and
things
will
be
back
to
normal
and
we
all
know
that
turned
out
not
to
be
true.
D
So
we
we've
learned
that
we've
also,
of
course
been
able
to
to
Tool
up
the
use
of
technology
in
ways
that
we
never
thought
and
I.
Think
we've
learned
a
lot
about
that
and
how
to
make
that
that
happen.
So
I
think
we're
much
much
better
position
Senator
than
we
were
before.
D
Certainly
we
are
I
I,
you
know
can't
predict
what
the
future
holds,
but
I
do
feel
that
that
has
been
a
tremendous
learning
experience
and
really
a
changing
experience
for
us.
But.
A
E
D
E
And
what
we
went
through
that
time
and
all
the
hard
work
you've
done,
especially
during
this
covert
time,
I
do
I,
do
respect
that
as
a
practitioner
of
40
plus
years
and
seeing
the
changes
in
the
court
system
and
hope
you
good
future
out
enjoying
the
rest
of
your
time
with
your
family
and
whatever
you
I
do.
E
She
didn't
die
until
1961
and
she
told
me
all
about
the
floods
they
had
dinner.
No
such
thing
was
gasoline
cars,
coal,
mining
or
nothing,
and
they
had
them
there
in
the
mountains.
They'd
even
wait
on
the
rain,
so
they
could
flood
the
rivers
would
flood
to
float
the
logs
down
the
stream.
So
climate
change
is
a
historical
thing
that
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
closer
look
at
all
right.
Thank
you.
Mr
senator
Senator,
wheeler.
D
I
guess
my
follow-up
beat
is
Senator
Turner's
comment.
There
I
mean
what
role
is
it
of
the
Judiciary
to
take
a
stance
on
climate
change?
I
would
think
that
would
fall
within
the
policing
powers
of
the
legislature
to
create
energy
policy.
G
D
If
legislature
can
can
control
the
weather,
you
know
more,
my
my
statement
only
has
to
do
with
our
ability
to
respond
to
the
emergencies
that
we
out
see
ahead.
We
we
had
to
pretty
move
pretty
quickly
and
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
to
react
to
the
to
things
like
the
situation
we
had
in
heinemann.
We
had
to
deal
with
it
pretty
quickly.
H
It's
been
such
a
pleasure
to
get
to
know
you
and
to
work
with
you
over
the
past
few
years
that
that
I've
been
here
and
I
really
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
about
your
response
to
to
the
substance,
use
disorder
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in
and
all
of
the
health
issues
that
we
are
trying
our
best
to
address
and
the
court
system's
response
really
is
is
looking
hard
at
the
intersectionality
of
the
court
system
and
treatment
for
individuals
with
a
substance,
use
disorder
or
mental
health
issue
or
developmental
delay
or
developmental
disability
intellectual
disability.
H
The
court
is
oftentimes,
the
first
place
that
these
individuals
are
identified,
and
so,
when
I
came
in
with
my
history
in
Healthcare
and
drug
policy,
I
was
keenly
aware
of
this
kind
of
cross-pollination
and
I've
loved
working
with
my
judges
in
Northern
Kentucky,
as
well
as
AOC
and
all
of
the
fine
folks
here,
and
especially
the
Supreme
Court,
on
finding
ways
to
intersect
with
the
individuals
who
need
help
and
I
I
just
want
to
really
applaud
your
efforts
and
congratulate
you
on
finding
a
way
to
to
bring
stakeholders
together
with
the
Kentucky
judicial
Commission
on
mental
health
and
just
to
say
what
a
privilege
it
is
to
be
a
part
of
that,
and
we
will
certainly
do
our
best
to
carry
on
your
legacy
in
this
space.
H
Congratulations
on
your
retirement
on
your
excellent
years
of
service,
and
and
thank
you
for
all
you
do
thank.
H
Don't
this
is
not
the
last
time.
D
We
see
well
I
hope
not
too
I
will
I
will
continue
to
pay
close
attention
to
the
work
of
that
commission.
The
work
is
huge.
We
we,
you
know,
we
announced
that,
with
with
the
understanding
the
reality
that
our
jails
and
our
prisons
are
the
largest
mental
health
institutions
in
the
Commonwealth
and
it
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
J
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you,
sir
I
I.
Unfortunately
haven't
gotten
really
to
know
you,
because
I
haven't
been
here
that
long,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
in
a
plug
real
quickly
10
15
years
ago,
when
we
started
doing
Telehealth
at
the
VA
I
thought.
Oh,
my
God
we've
lost
our
minds.
How
are
we
going
to
take
care
of
people
remotely
and
it
has
become
an
absolute
godsend
to
Medicine?
J
It
has
enabled
us
to
reach
more
people
more
efficiently
and
effectively
and
I
really
applaud
your
plug
and
and
our
Chairman's
position
that
we
have
a
way
of
of
actually
streamlining
and
improving
services
to
people
in
the
Commonwealth
by
utilizing
technology
in
this
way
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Well,.
D
That
that
make
thank
you
Senator,
that
the
availability
of
Telehealth
makes
makes
our
our
drug
court
our
our
treatment
courts
all
over
the
comma.
It
brings
resources
to
places,
even
though
that
resource
may
be
physically
located
many
many
miles
from
the
location.
The
virtual
access
makes
treatment
possible.
I
I
Hopefully
we
can
improve
upon
that
I
know
civil
actions,
all
toward
actions,
I
think
have
to
be
filed,
November
1st
electronically
and
and
hopefully
we
can
take
a
step
even
more
and
try
to
find
new
ways
to
utilize
Zoom
Court
more
uniformly
across
the
state
and
I
appreciate
all
your
efforts.
However,
I
must
say
that
I
find
it
very
concerning
that
you
believe
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
facing
the
courts
of
justice
is
climate
change
and,
and
that
very
concerning
that
you
would
even
insert
those
comments
in
this
form.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
chief
justice.
Wish
you,
your
retirement.
It's
been
a
pleasure
working
with
you,
sir
I'm,
going
to
put
you
on
the
spot
a
little
bit
you.
You
spoke
a
little
bit
about
the
the
balance
between
the
the
legislative,
the
executive
and
the
judicial
branch
in
recent
years.
From
from
my
perspective
and
many
others
in
the
legislature,
there
seems
to
be
that
often
judges
are
attempting
to
make
law
From.
K
The
Bench
we've
seen
the
executive
branch
overstepping
their
Authority
and
we've
seen
the
legislature
act
on
that
and
then,
as
a
result,
we've
seen
the
executive
branch
accuse
the
legislative
branch
of
overstepping
their
Authority
so
not
to
get
into
any
details,
but
in
general,
what
advice
do
you
can
you
give
for
us
to
main
help
us
maintain
that
balance
within
the
Commonwealth
and
and
to
to
ensure
that
we're
able
to
keep
that
and
that
political
motives
don't
overcome
what
the
purpose
of
each
branch
is
is
for
in
maintaining
the
Integrity
of
each
branch
and
and
we've
seen
that
in
question
in
many
times
over
the
past
few
years?
L
D
Complicated
question
and
the
sincerity
with
with
which
you've
asked
me
that
question,
because
I
can
I
know
you're
sincerely
looking
for
for
the
answer,
the
the
way
we're
built
this
has
been
said
over
and
over
with
the
way
we're
built
with
three
separate
branches
and
strong
commitment
to
the
separation
of
powers
in
those
branches
is
is,
is
has
been
said.
Many
times
is
not
built
for
our
comfort.
It
really
is
a
discomfort.
D
D
How
do
we
do
that,
and
you
know
it's
it's
it's
been
often
at
the
rule
of
the
courts
to
be
the
final
Arbiter
of
those
kind
of
questions,
and
that
puts
his
Crossways
most
of
the
time
with
one
or
other
or
both
of
the
other
branches,
and
that
uncomfortable
tension
is
built
in
the
and
and
as
I
suggested.
To
maintain
the
independence
of
all
three
branches
is
is
critical
to
the
success
of
of
our
Republic
I.
Think
that's
not
answered
your
question.
We
we
could
spend
a
college
course.
I
have.
C
C
I
have
a
question
now
that
you've
been
on
the
trial
bench
for
a
long
time,
a
court
of
appeals,
bench
Supreme,
Court
and
chief
justice
for
the
last
14
years
or
so
14..
So
my
question
is
about
the
structure
of
the
courts.
One
of
the
things
that
I
strongly
oppose
is
judicial
elections.
I
introduced
the
bill
a
number
of
years
ago
to
get
rid
of
judicial
elections.
I
think
it's
not
the
way
to
go.
C
I,
think
judicial
appointments
are
better
to
preserve
the
Integrity
of
the
Judiciary
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
getting
Democrats
or
Republicans
as
partisans
on
the
court
not
asking
if
you're
coming
on
that
particular
unless
you
want
to.
But
my
question
to
you
is,
if
you
were
to,
if
you
were
able
to
make
one
structural
change
to
the
Judiciary,
what
would
it
be.
D
That's
a
that's
again:
the
you
and
Senator
Carol
and
Iowa.
Would
the
the
college
class
you
know,
I
I,
I
I
would
comment
on
I
guess
begin.
My
comment
by
observing,
as
I've
said
to
you
all
before
Kentucky,
with
the
adoption
of
the
judicial
article
and
I,
know
you're
you're
familiar
very
familiar
with
that
process.
D
You
know
it
was
a
legislative
effort
that
became
a
constitutional
amendment.
That
became
the
law,
but
it
was
an
incredible
overhaul
of
the
of
the
historic
court
system.
In
Kentucky
we
went
from
a
county-based
system
to
a
unified
court
system
and
we're
we're
not
unique
but
they're
only
a
small
handful
of
systems
here
and
it
it's
it's
different
from
any
of
our
surrounding
states.
We
are
the
only
unified
system.
D
Maybe
Missouri
has
a
similar
system,
but
they
still
have
local
courts,
but
the
courage
and
the
foresight
and
the
wisdom
you
know
of
the
70s
that
brought
about
it
didn't
bring
about
the
appointment
of
Judges,
as
was
part
of
that
consideration.
D
That
was
rejected
over
the
idea
of
electing
judges,
but
I
think
we
we
have
over
the
past
50
years,
40
years
that
we've
been
in
exists,
40
plus
years
we've
been
in
existence,
been
learning
what
it
means
to
live
into
this
idea
of
a
unified
court
system
and
all
the
things
that
that
means
and
so
I
don't
know
that
this
doesn't
address
your
specific
question
about
the
structure
of
the
Judiciary,
but
I
would
say,
learning
more
and
more
how
to
better
serve
the
public
as
a
unified
court
system
is
a
challenge
that
we've
not
yet
fully.
D
C
C
I,
also
practice
law
in
Indiana
and
the
system.
There
is
much
different.
It's
not
unified,
it's
dispersed
and
and
I
want
to
impress
upon
the
people
of
Kentucky
and
especially
the
people
in
the
House
of
Representatives,
or
we
have
very
few
attorneys
in
the
legislature.
C
Our
court
system
in
Kentucky
is
an
absolute
gym.
We
get
frustrated
by
separations
of
powers,
issues,
nobody
more
than
me.
We
all
do
right,
but
our
court
system
structure
is
a
is
really
good.
I
do
think
we
need
to
get
rid
of
judicial
elections
and
appellate
judges,
but
our
structure
in
Kentucky
is
Far
and
Away
above
most
structures,
judicial
structures
across
the
country,
and
so
anyway,
thank
you
for
your
service
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
even
after
retirement.
Thank.
C
N
The
difference
between
us
is
you're,
leaving
voluntarily
and
I'm
not,
but
that
is
what
it
is,
and
but
you've
been
not
only
a
great
friend
here
in
the
to
the
legislature,
even
a
personal
friend,
and
you
know,
because
of
you,
I'm
not
licensed
in
the
state
of
Wisconsin,
which
I
appreciate
you
swore
me
in
over
the
phone,
but
it
was
nonetheless
appropriate.
So
we've
been
through
a
lot
of
different
matters
together,
we've
been
through
the
the
changing
of
the
different
family
courts
and
we've
been
through
some
discussions
about.
N
You
know
where
cases
should
be
heard.
Etc
and
even
though
we've
had
some
battles
at
times.
To
be
honest,
you've
always
been
very,
very
professional
in
that
engagement
and
I.
Very
much
appreciate
that.
That's
what
I've,
always
that's
what
I
dreamed
about
when
I
went
to
law
school?
That's
what
I
learned
about
in
law
school!
That's
what
I've
practiced
in
many
professionals,
because
the
civility
in
many
ways
has
been
lost
in
our
society
I've,
not
only
seen
it
in
capital
I've
seen
it
in
the
courtrooms,
I've
seen
it
between
practitioners
and
lawyers.
N
It's
it's
different
today
than
even
when
I
first
started
and
I
think
we
need
to
return
to
some
of
that
civility
that
professional
decorum
that
allows
us
to
get
something
done
rather
than
just
having
a
chaos
all
the
time.
So
I
appreciate
your
endeavors
to
make
that
happen.
I'm
very
appreciative
of
that
and
I
certainly
wish
you
the
best.
Maybe
we
can
go
fishing
together
since
I
won't
be
here
either,
but
we'll
see
what
happens
thanks.
Thank.
D
You
chairman,
Massey
I
I,
do
want
to
say
I'm
a
product,
I
guess
of
another
era
in
terms
of
the
law.
Practice
I
give
credit
to
having
been
a
product
of
the
Bowling
Green
Warren
County
Bar,
where
I
was
trained
by
my
mentors
to
to
respect
your
your
opponent
on
the
other
side
to
if
you
say,
you're
going
to
do
something
you
do
it.
D
If
you
make
an
agreement,
you
you
know,
if
you
need
you
accommodate
each
other
and
the
practice
of
law
was
was,
was
much
more
pleasant
and
and
and
and
workable
in
that
sort
of
environment.
That's
the
environment
in
which
I
was
raised
and
I
would
like
to
think.
I
have
encouraged
others
that,
when
I
speak
to
the
young
lawyers,
I
say
to
you,
your
integrity
is
the
most
important
thing
that
you
have
you
you.
You
try
to
cultivate
that
and
you
guard
that
throughout
your
professional
career
and
so
I.
D
C
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
chief
justice,
every
time
that
you've
come
before
this
committee,
I've
asked
you
the
same
question
and
I'm
still
not
satisfied
and
I've
asked
almost
every
lawyer
friend
I
know
of
why
it
takes
so
long
for
some
of
these
decisions
and
I'm
talking
from
District
Court,
where
I
can
give
you
neighborhood
issue
that
just
took
two
years
and
I
think
as
a
circuit
or
District,
Court,
level
and
I
would
ask
a
friends
in
the
appeals.
C
I
guess:
I
could
name
his
name
because
he's
retired
now
Irv
Mays
and
he
said
that's
just
the
way
it's
always
been,
and
then
some
have
said
that
you
guys
your
workload
is
so
burdensome
that
it
just
takes
two
years
to
say
finally
come
up
with
a
decision
on
House
Bill
563,
which
I
think
you're
getting
ready
to
do.
I
believe
that
was
past
18
months
or
plus
ago.
D
You
know
it's
always
been
a
criticism
when
I
went
to
judicial
College
back
in
the
30
plus
years
ago.
The
criticism
of
the
court
system
was
it
it.
It
cost
too
much.
It
takes
too
long
and
it's
never
over,
and
that
continues
to
be
the
question
you
say:
you've
asked
me
every
time
I've
come
before.
Why
is
it
that
way?
D
We're
doing
you
know
we're
trying
as
best
we
can
at
least
administratively
here
to
address
that,
with
with
adding
opportunities
for
efficiency,
the
decision-making
process
is
inefficient
in
and
of
itself
with
two
sides.
Disputing
two
sides
feeling
strongly
about
issues
and
as
a
judge,
you
want
to
make
sure
you've
heard
it
all
and
you've
read
the
law
and
you
understand
it.
So
it
does
take
time
it
shouldn't
take
so
long.
I
agree
with
that.
I
agree
with
that.
N
I've
practiced
in
front
of
you
way
back
when
yeah
interacted
with
you
through
the
Judiciary
Committee
and
interacted
with
you
in
Appropriations
and
revenue,
and
we
have
our
disagreements.
We
have
some
that
are
vehement,
some
that
are
minor
and
we
have
a
lot
of
agreements
in
each
of
those
three
contexts.
We've
had
those
I
simply
want
to
tell
you,
though,
thank
you
for
your
public
service.
N
It's
not
easy,
and
every
time
I've
interacted
with
you
in
each
of
the
easy
and
difficult
issues,
you've
always
been
consistently
professional,
showed
integrity
and
did
what
public
servants
should
do
think
through
things.
Thank
you,
I,
disagree
and
agree
when
you
need
to
and
keep
moving
and
I
wish
you
the
best.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very.
D
A
Chief
justice,
when
I
first
got
this
job,
Roberta's
predecessor
a
couple
of
robertas
ago,
John
great
suggested
and
I
didn't
know
who
John
great
was
everybody
in
here
knows
who
John
great
is
I,
didn't
know
who
John
Gray
was.
It
was
at
the
time,
but
he
suggested
hey.
A
You
ought
to
have
a
a
day
when
you
come
up
and
meet
all
the
folks
that
are
related
to
the
Judiciary
Committee
and
the
work
and
I
was
as
clueless
as
I
probably
sounded
and
looked
to
everybody
else
in
the
room
and
I
had
that
we
had
a
day
met
over
at
the
Capitol
and
then
I
had
a
meeting
early
on
with
you
in
my
office
in
this
building
and
I
still
remember
it
vividly
I,
don't
remember
any
other
first
meetings
like
that,
but
I,
remember
the
meeting
with
you
vividly
and
I
thought
to
myself
what
kind
of
an
idiot
am
I
that
I
managed
to
find
myself
in
this
spot
as
this
chair
speaking
with
the
Chief
Justice
of
the
Kentucky
Supreme
Court
and
I
felt
then
terribly
out
of
my
depth
and
an
unqualified
to
be.
A
There.
I
still
feel
a
smidge
of
that
today,
because
you
are
a
fantastic
Justice
and
a
bright
legal
mind
and
you
have
a
reputation
for
your
dedication
to
public
service
for
sure
and
you've
heard
that
spoken
to
already
by
my
colleagues,
but
you
are
well
regarded
in
the
Commonwealth
and
you
were
well
regarded
around
the
country.
Now
I've
met
your
counterparts,
a
number
of
your
counterparts
around
the
country
and
and
members
of
the
courts
and
various
places
around
the
country,
and
they
all
know
who
Justice
Minton
is
Chief.
A
Justice
Minton
is
it's
it's
a
respect.
That's
been
well
earned
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
be
sad
to
see.
You
go
I
feel
that
we've
always
gotten
very
much
along
and
I.
A
Think,
regardless
of
of
how
you
rule
or
how
I
legislate,
I
think
our
relationship
has
always
been
very
positive
and
and
I
have
found
it
very
rewarding
personally
and
professionally,
and
it's
a
much
you've
you've
dealt
with
all
kinds
of
people
and
positions
of
influence
and
significance
and
I'm
just
a
peon
in
the
mix,
but
I
get
to
consult
and
confer
with
the
Chief
Justice
of
a
supreme
court
and
and
that's
no
small
thing
and
it's
a
it's
a
Fetter
in
my
cat
and
I'm
honored
to
be
able
to
do
it.
A
This,
the
work
of
this
committee
is,
is
the
most
important
or
among
the
most
important
things
that
I
do
in
this
job
and
as
an
attorney
and
as
a
former
prosecutor
and
continuing
a
practitioner
in
the
courts.
The
work
of
the
court
system
is
always
near
to
my
heart
and
it's
something
I
think
about
quite
a
lot
and
so
I'm
glad
to
have
you
here
before
this
body
and
I'm
glad
that
you've
always
been
accessible
to
each
of
us.
A
All
of
us,
not
just
the
chair
of
either
Chambers
committee,
but
I'm
thankful
for
you
and
I'm
thankful
for
your
service
and
I,
won't
I,
won't
look
at
a
bottle
of
Honey
or
see
a
beehive
without
thinking
about
what
you're
going
to
be
doing
in
retirement
as
the
apiarist,
with
the
coolest
job
resume
I've
ever
seen,
and
and
I'm
thankful
for
your
service
as
well
to
the
people
of
Kentucky
Class
Act,
to
thank
your
wife
and
your
children
for
that.
A
A
A
Thank
you,
representative,
nemesh
reminded
me
and
I
see
just
over
your
shoulder
that
deputy
chief
justice
Hughes
is
with
you
and
I
should
have
recognized
you
before
or
recognized
you're
being
in
here
before,
but
I
didn't
we're
glad
to
have
you
thankful
for
your
service.
Your
reputation
is
also
Sterling
and,
and
you
also
are
retiring,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
keep
bees.
A
A
We
have
a
quorum
I
want
to
go
ahead
while
we're
changing
out
folks
and
Senator
Mills.
You
can
come
on
up
with
your
and
representative
Dixon.
You
can
come
on
up
with
your
folks.
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
a
motion
on
the
minutes.
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Senator
Kerr,
all
those
in
favor
of
of
approving
the
minutes,
please
vote
by
saying,
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
minutes
are
approved.
M
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
committee,
for
giving
us
a
little
bit
of
time
during
the
interim
and
I
apologize
for
my
horse
voice,
I'm
campaigning,
but
that's
not
why
I
had
been
yelling
at
anybody
here,
but
we
have
a
bill
that
we'd
like
to
put
before
you
and
just
kind
of
vet
it
and
get
some
feedback
on
it.
But
we'd
like
to
comment
on
it.
M
Just
10-15
minutes
here,
12
minutes
or
whatever
BR
161
creates
a
new
section
in
KRS
508,
which
deals
with
assault
and
related
offenses
br6
161
is
focused
on
the
act
of
hazing.
Currently,
hazing
is
addressed
only
in
one
part
of
Kentucky
law.
Krs
164.375
places
the
burden
on
universities
and
colleges
to
enact
anti-hazing
policies.
The
penalties
for
hazing
are
to
include
expulsion
or
suspension
of
a
student.
If
an
organization
sponsors
hazing,
it
may
be
expelled
from
operating
on
campus.
M
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
believe
you
had
the
draft
of
the
bill.
It's
on
there
it's
in
your
meeting
documents,
but
the
bill
is
very
simple
section
one
defines
hazing
and
who
a
student
and
organization
is
section.
Two
sets
out
that
intentional
and
wanted
participation
in
hazing
that
results
in
serious
physical
injury
or
death
to
a
student
is
hazing
in
the
first
degree
and
is
a
Class
D
Felony
Section
3
sets
out
that
Reckless
participation
in
hazing
shall
be
considered
hazing
in
the
second
degree,
and
is
a
class
A
misdemeanor
in
both
section
two
and
three.
M
So,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
today,
I
have
with
with
us
two
personal
friends,
Tracy
and
Kirk
Hayes
wood
and
Tracy
is
going
to
tell
her
story
about
her
son,
Lofton
Tracy.
O
O
Thomas
Lofton
Hazelwood
is
the
youngest
of
our
four
children.
Lofton
has
three
Elder
sisters,
so,
yes,
he
definitely
was
the
baby
of
the
family.
Lofton's
two
older
sisters
had
graduated
from
the
University
of
Kentucky.
The
youngest
sister
is
only
17
months
older
than
he
and
she
stayed
home
her
freshman
year
because
of
covid
and
virtual
classes.
O
So
she
went
to
the
Community
College
in
our
hometown.
They
both
wanted
to
go
to
the
University
of
Kentucky
like
their
sisters.
So
the
next
year
we
sent
two
at
once
to
the
school
in
Lexington.
Lofton
had
spent
as
much
time
as
he
could
working
on
a
working
for
a
local
farmer.
He
instantly
fell
in
love
with
farming
that
first
summer,
he
learned
so
much.
Lofton
was
pursuing
a
degree
in
agriculture.
Economics
Lofton
had
signed
up
over
the
summer
to
rush
fraternities.
O
He
started
getting
friend
requests
and
invites
to
different
events
immediately.
His
sisters
had
been
in
sororities
and
we
all
encouraged
him
to
go
through
rush.
We
believed
it
would
be
a
good
thing.
We
thought
it
was
a
good
way
to
get
involved
at
school,
make
Forever
Friends
and
make
contacts
all
over
the
country.
O
O
O
O
O
Then
there
were
different
activities
throughout
the
next
few
weeks
that
actives
told
them
that
they
were
going
on
a
camping
trip.
They
dropped
them
off
in
the
middle
of
a
cornfield
about
an
hour
and
a
half
out
of
town.
They
took
all
their
phones
and
they
left
them
in
the
night.
O
O
That
he
wanted
to
drop
out
of
pledging.
My
husband
and
I
were
both
so
adamant
that
he
was
not
dropping.
We
truly
thought
that
he
was
just
being
a
baby.
He
was
the
baby
of
the
family
that
he
told
me
he
couldn't
stand
the
way
that
they
talked
to
him,
but
we
had
no
clue
what
he
was
going
through.
We
told
him
it
was
almost
over
on
set
on
October
the
18th
2021
five
weeks
into
pledging
Lofton
passed
away
at
The
Farmhouse.
O
O
O
O
It
was
reported
that
he
had
about
18
pores
in
a
Solo
Cup
at
4
50.
He
was
so
intoxicated
that
he
could
barely
walk
and
they
ended
up
practically
carrying
him
to
a
bedroom
at
the
house.
They
laid
him
on
a
bed
and
took
Snapchat
pictures
of
him
while
they
messed
with
his
arms
and
his
body
at
five
o'clock.
They
all
left
to
go.
Serenading
somewhere
close
to
six
o'clock.
An
active
member
came
home
to
The
Farmhouse
after
he'd
had
a
class.
He
saw
often
and
went
in
the
room
to
check
on
him.
O
O
You
should
never
leave
a
brother
I
looked
up.
The
definition
of
Brotherhood
A
brotherhood
gives
you
perspective
about
what
is
important
in
life.
Further
enhancing
everything
you
learned
growing
up
when
you
are
part
of
a
Brotherhood.
You
learn
from
fellow
men
about
how
a
man
should
lead,
how
they
should
date
prepare
for
the
future
family
and
even
advancing
his
career
and
financial
life.
O
There
have
been
more
than
76
deaths
of
hazing
since
2004.
50
of
those
involved.
Alcohol
I
can't
understand
the
fascination
of
watching
your
brother
gets
so
intoxicated
that
they
can't
function
or
watch
them
get
sick.
This
is
just
a
few
of
the
incidents
around
this
country,
Adam
Oaks.
He
was
from
Virginia
Commonwealth
University.
His
very
first
pledge
incident.
He
had
a
.419
alcohol
level,
Max
groover
was
at
LSU.
They
called
it.
Bible
study
he
drank
190
proof,
alcohol
and
his
blood
alcohol
level
was
Point,
North
0.495.
He
died
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
O
They
waited
till
the
next
morning
and
took
him
to
the
hospital
after
they
cleaned
him
up.
Stone
folks,
Bowling
Green,
University,
.394
blood,
alcohol,
Danny,
centilli,
University
of
Missouri
blood,
alcohol
of
0.48,
486
Danny,
didn't
die.
His
mother
is
now
his
full-time
caretaker.
They
dropped
him
on
his
head.
While
he
was
severely
intoxicated.
He
is
now
brain,
damaged,
blind
and
confined
to
a
wheelchair,
Timothy
Piazza.
He
was
at
Penn
State.
He
was
severely
intoxicated.
He
fell
down
the
stairs
and
they
just
all
stepped
over
him.
O
O
You've
done
things
that
you've
probably
never
told
anybody
Kentucky
needs
a
law
against
hazing
Our
Hope
for
this
law
to
pass
Our
Hope
for,
for
this
is
for
this
law
to
pass
and
deter
these
fraternity
members
from
hazing.
It
needs
to
be
a
misdemeanor
and
a
felony
for
physical
bodily
damage
and
death.
Since
lofton's
death,
we
have
heard
so
many
horror
stories
from
parents
whose
children
they
actually
made
it.
No
parent
should
ever
have
to
go
and
experience
what
we
have
experienced
with
our
son
Lofton.
O
O
My
youngest
daughter
and
I
have
been
visiting
high
schools
throughout
our
area,
talking
to
seniors
about
hazing
and
alcohol
and
not
leaving
your
friends.
You've
got
to
make.
That
call
don't
be
scared
to
call
I
believe
in
my
heart
that
if
somebody
had
stayed
with
Lofton
that
night
he'd
still
be
here
today
up
on
closing
today,
I
beg
that
you
please
consider
this
bill.
O
I
Mr
chairman
Jonathan
Dixon
District
11.,
Lofton
hazelwood's
untimely
passing,
has
hit
my
community
of
Henderson
in
a
very
difficult
way,
as
you
can
only
imagine.
This
important
unfortunate
event
has
raised
concerns
about
our
youth
in
college
and
the
acts
that
they
are
performing
while
they
are
not
in
class.
In
my
opinion,
fraternities
and
sorority
organizations
are
great
ways
to
enjoy
and
experience
college.
I
They
are
very
beneficial
to
many
students
in
their
college
life
and
after
college,
but
I
hope
by
starting
this
conversation
today
about
the
risk
and
the
potential
outcomes
that
have
come
from
hazing,
we
can
potentially
add
a
stiffer
penalty
to
those
who
engage
in
that
behavior
and
result
in
Saving
many
many
lives.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
today.
We'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank.
A
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
First
of
all,
thank
you
to
the
Lofton
family
for
coming
telling
us
your
story,
my
sincere
condolences.
F
My
questions
is
for
the
senator
and
the
representative
not
trying
to
to
derail
by
any
means.
What
you're
trying
to
accomplish
here
but
I
have
concerns
with
the
the
verbiage
one
and
I
know.
Typically,
we
we
tend
to
revert
back
to
other
statutes
for
definitions
of
what
serious
physical
injury
is.
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
at
least
refer
you
to
the
statute
that
you're
using
the
definition
in
this
statute
or
lay
it
out
within
the
statute
itself.
F
Secondly,
I
I
think
your
intent
is
to
cover
these
groups
within
the
schools
like
fraternities
and
so
forth,
for
those
protection,
but
I
noticed
for
the
under
section
three
that
you
provide
a
defense
for
athletic
competition
events,
law
enforcement,
training
or
military
training.
F
F
My
actual
reading
of
your
definition
here
of
hazing-
it's
it's
just
not
clear
whether
or
not
this
could
pertain
to
law
enforcement,
training
and
or
military
training,
and
we
all
have
learned
that
our
intent
may
be
one
thing,
but
the
courts
May
interpret
that
differently.
So
we
want
to
be
very
crystal
clear
because
some
of
the
things
you
talk
about
is
elements
of
the
weather.
F
We
even
have
ROTC
in
our
high
schools
and
our
colleges
that
sometimes
they
go
out
on
On,
Maneuvers
and
different
things
or
elements
they
could
be
exposed
to
as
part
of
training.
It's
not
necessarily
intended
as
hazing
same
thing
for
for
law
enforcement,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
get
them
caught
up
in
what
you're
trying
to
do.
I'm
not
trying
to
prevent
you
from
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
crystal
clear
in
what
you're
looking
to
accomplish
and
that
it
applies
to
those
specific
groups.
M
Very
good,
thank
you,
representative
Blanton.
Those
are
the
exact
comments
that
we
were
looking
for
today,
to
be
quite
honest
with
you,
so
we
will
incorporate
that
in
and
we
will
run
it
by
you
to
make
sure
that
those
are
clear
for
you.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
first
to
the
lofta
family
I
was
unaware
of
this
event
and
I
know
it's
probably
very
difficult
for
you
to
come
and
share
what
has
happened
to
your
family,
but
it's
very
important
as
policy
makers
to
hear
these
stories
even
when
they
are
difficult
to
tell
so.
We
can
react
in
a
responsible
way
and
try
to
craft
policy
and
and
make
changes
to
our
law
to
hopefully
prevent
this
from
happening
again.
Senator
Mills,
representative
Dixon
appreciate
you
all
advocating
for
this
family
I.
I
Guess
one
comment
or
maybe
a
suggestion
on
what
what
I
personally
think,
just
my
one
lawyer's
take
on
this
and
a
former
prosecutor
I
think
most
of
this
type
of
behavior
could
fall
under
assault
and
and
most
likely
would
fall
under
what
an
endangerment.
Maybe
there's
some
changes
that
need
to
be
made.
I
I
guess
one
suggestion
I
would
have
is
to
if
you
really
want
to
prevent.
Maybe
we
need
to
consider
enhancing
this
to
a
class
C,
felony,
potentially
or
just
find
ways
to
you
know,
be
more
punitive
to
discourage
this
type
of
criminal,
Behavior
or
or
maybe
even
have
some
sort
of
aggravated
offense
if
it
involves
some
sort
of
sorority
or
fraternity
hazing
practice,
but
be
glad
to
talk
to
you
all
about
that.
I
That
I
do
appreciate
you
all
bringing
this
at
least
to
my
attention.
I
was
unaware
of
this
story
and
it's
an
important
story
to
tell
so
we
can.
Hopefully
this
won't
happen
to
any
more
Kentucky
families.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
I
will
be
brief.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
family.
I
keep
thinking
of
the
quote.
Growing
old
is
a
privileged
denied
to
many
and
so
I
I.
Thank
you
for
your
courage
today
to
come
and
to
speak
about
your
son's
story
and
turning
your
pain
into
helping
others,
not
other
families
not
having
to
go
through
that.
H
You
have
got
a
great
representative
and
a
great
Senator
on
your
side
to
advocate
for
you,
and
you
know
so
many
times
we
see
legislation
as
just
small
changes,
but
this
is
a
real
game,
changer
for
a
lot
of
people
and
so
I.
Just
can't.
Thank
you
enough.
H
I
know
it's
very
hard
for
you
all
to
be
here
today
to
share
this
and
to
be
so
vulnerable
and
in
front
of
a
group
of
people
across
the
state,
and
so
thank
you
all
for
what
you're
doing
and
I
look
forward
to
helping
you
all
get
this
across
the
Finish
Line
into
the
governor's
desk
during
the
2023
session
in
honor
of
your
son.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and,
and
thank
you
to
you
and
your
entire
family
for
Having
the
courage
to
come
up
here
and
speak
about
that.
This
is
not
not
easy.
My
question
is,
is
probably
not
for
the
family.
J
O
Yes,
for
simpler,
worse,
they
were
kicked
off
immediately.
I
mean
they
had
to
shut
everything
down
at
The
Farmhouse.
Actually
it
wasn't
completely
at
Christmas
I
guess
they
had,
they
emptied
out
the
Farmhouse
and
everything
was
gone.
It's
been
sold,
okay,.
O
They're
not
supposed
to
have
any
kind
of
association
with
any
of
the
old
pledges
or
anything
yep.
M
J
There's
a
pending
lawsuit,
so
this
legislation
would
basically
help
making
the
individual
students
more
responsible
for
their
behavior,
but
would
in
no
way
excuse
the
institution
of
their
responsibilities,
which
you
know
I
mean.
Ideally,
alcohol
is
not
allowed
in
fraternities
on
campuses
under
any
circumstances,
so
this
would
just
enhance
the
responsibility
of
the
individual
students.
J
Did
you
feel
can
I
ask
if
I
look,
yes,
ma'am
did
you
feel,
and
you
may
not
be
aware,
because
your
child
was
away
at
school
and
you
know
you
may
not
have
had
this
discussions.
Did
you
feel
or
were
you
aware
of
any
effort
before
this
happened,
to
make
sure
that
the
people
who
were
running
this
hazing
were
aware
unequivocally
that
what
they
were
doing
was
illegal
and
should
not
have
been
allowed
to
continue?
We.
O
Didn't
know
what
was
going
on,
you
know,
like
I
said
before
you
know
he
had
told
us
he
wanted
to
quit,
but
he
was
the
baby
of
our
family.
You
know,
and
he
would
tell
me
he
didn't
like
the
way
they
talked
to
him
and
things
like
that.
But
we
didn't
know
half
of
what
was
going,
not
even
a
fraction
of
what
was
going
on.
C
M
I
do
not
know
that
for
a
fact
represent
bratcher
but
I
believe
it's
discouraged
so.
C
P
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and
I
too,
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
today.
This
is
very,
very
important
and
I.
Just
can't
imagine
how
difficult
it
is
in
the
post-traumatic
stress
that
it
causes
for
you
to
come,
but
it's
important
and
as
this
bill
moves
forward
and
I
have
a
really
good
feeling
that
it
will
I
I
hope
that
you
can
keep
on
keeping
on,
and
it
is
important
I
know
for
for
your
Loft,
and
I
too
would
be
in
agreement
that
the
the
penalty
should
be
as
tough
as
you
can
make
it.
P
Mr
chairman
and
Mr
sponsor
I
I,
guess
I'm,
wondering
too,
would
it
be
possible
or
have
you
all
considered
and
I
know,
that's
part
of
why
you're
here
today,
Senator
Mills,
putting
in
an
educational
component
or
some
kind
of
component
into
this,
that
trains
these
other
for
eternities
or
these
other
or
student
organizations
on
on
what
this
is
the
law
and
the
consequences,
if
not
abided
by.
M
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
know
my
son
was
the
president
of
his
fraternity.
He
was
a
Ka.
He
went
to
South
Carolina
had
National
Training.
This
subject
is
broached,
but
once
again
you
know
it.
There
needs
to
be
a
penalty
that
holds
people
accountable
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
more
than
just
continuing
education
that
it's
real.
So
thank
you.
Senator
Curry.
A
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
just
a
couple
of
comments
had
to
thank
you.
I
think
this
is
the
second
time
since
I've
been
in
the
legislature
that
I
really
was
brought
to
tears
and
just
it
is
hideous.
What
has
happened
to
you?
I
can't
fathom
it,
and
it
takes
great
courage
for
you
to
come
and
talk
about
it.
Thank
you
very
much
a
couple
of
comments
about
what
you're,
proposing
and
I
look
forward
to
studying
it
in
more
depth.
Q
One
thing
I
worry
about
in
the
legislature
is
when
we
pass
bills
that
already
are
in
existence
in
other
ways
in
the
law,
just
as
representative
Flannery
talked
about,
there
are
criminal
penalties
for
this
type
of
behavior
and
there
is
civil
court,
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you're
proposing
and
how
it's
different
than
other
laws.
I
do
like
the
thought
of
of
education,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
a
little
in
history
when
I
was
in
college.
Q
This
happened
and
my
my
husband's
fraternity
at
one
point
was
kicked
off
campus
and,
and
he
thought
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do.
This
isn't
new
and
you
know
that,
but
there
are
campus
rules
against
this
there's
campus
training.
Q
When
my
son
was
in
college,
his
fraternity
was
kicked
off
campus.
He
had
already
moved
out
because
of
the
shenanigans
and
The
Reckless
Behavior,
so
that
the
colleges
do
have
stringent
rules
about
this.
There
are
laws
that
can
be
used
so
I,
just
I
just
want
to
look
deeper
at
what
it
is
you're
proposing,
because
if
there
are
rules
and
laws
that
could
be
enforced
now
they
should
be,
and
perhaps
the
education
is
with
the
prosecutors.
Q
A
Mr
Miss
Hazelwood.
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
sharing
your
story
again
and
thank
you
for
coming
here.
I
know
it's
difficult.
I
can't
imagine
how
difficult
it
is
and
I
don't
want
to,
but
I'm
thankful
that
you're
doing
it
and
I'm
glad
that
Senator,
Mills
and
representative
Dixon
can
bring
the
bill
forward
for
us
today
to
get
the
kind
of
comment
and
feedback
that
they've
asked
for
and
that
they
wanted
ahead
of
the
23
sessions.
So
thank
you
all
very
much
be
safe.
Getting
home.
A
Okay,
now
Dallas
I,
don't
know
who's
coming
up
now.
I've
gotten
text
messages.
A
A
You
all
will
no
doubt
remember,
representative
Adam
bowling's
bill,
which
I
believe
is
House
Bill
7
to
create
the
recovery,
ready
communities
act
and
that
program
and
I
invited
a
lot
of
familiar
faces
up
to
speak.
To
speak
about
that
to
us
this
morning
or
this
afternoon
and
I
know
who
you
all
are.
But
if
you
would
give
your
names
and
you
have
the
floor
and
you
have
33
minutes
chairman.
L
L
L
November
1st
I'll
celebrate
18
years
with
the
officer
drug
control
policy
and
during
that
time,
I've
worked
on
lots
of
pieces
of
legislation,
but
none
has
been
more
fun
and
none
has
been
more
exciting
than
House
Bill
7
than
21
session,
sponsored
by
representative
bowling
signing
the
governor
signing
the
law
by
the
governor
Bashir.
It
has
been
a
lot
of
fun
to
work
on
and
it's
we're
getting
close
to
the
finish
line.
L
The
the
bill
sets
up
a
council
of
people
who
are
really
representative
of
Kentucky.
We've
got
representatives
from
the
league
of
cities
from
the
Kentucky
Association
of
counties
from
the
chamber.
We
have
people
who
are
in
recovery.
We
have
people
that
work
in
the
treatment
field,
law
enforcement,
very
inclusive
committee,
representative
bowling,
really
did
his
homework.
We
put
this
together,
and
so
we,
after
the
commission
got
appointed.
L
We
spent
some
time
meeting
on
Zoom
to
educate
the
committee
about
what's
already
going
on
in
Kentucky
as
it
relates
to
recovery.
It
relates
to
substance,
abuse
treatment
and
what
kind
of,
and
as
well
as
prevention
and
other
programs
really
trying
to
get
the
feel
for
the
lay
of
the
land
what's
going
on
in
the
state
and
what
communities
need
to
have
what
communities
need
to
be
thinking
about.
L
You
know,
I,
it
won't
be
long.
The
many
of
our
communities
about
90
of
them
will
be
coming
into
some
opioid
abatement,
money
and-
and
we've
spent
some
time
talking
to
League
of
cities.
We
did
a
presentation
up
there,
we're
going
to
do
one
at
caco
in
November,
because
we
really
got
a
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity
here
for
communities.
L
We've
been
working
on
the
opioid
abatement
commission
we've
been
traveling,
the
state
we've
been
to
Pikeville
and
hazard
in
Ashland
and
Tuesday.
We
were
in
Covington
and
it's
it's
like
Groundhog
Day.
The
issues
are
the
same:
Transportation
transitional
housing,
Child,
Care
issues,
no
matter
where
we
go
and
I
think
we're
in
Lexington
next
week.
We'll
hear
similar
stories,
so
this
bill
is
couldn't
be
more
timely
as
it
relates
to
those
funds
and
officer.
Drug
control
policy
has
really
enjoyed
working
on
this.
L
L
P
Thank
you
fan
I'm
Pam,
Darnell,
president
and
CEO
of
Family
and
Children's
Place,
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
a
few
minutes
to
talk
with
you
all
today
about
this
incredibly
important
work
as
as
the
CEO
of
Family
and
Children's
Place
I
have
seen
firsthand
the
need
for
communities
to
develop
local
strategic
responses
to
substance
use
disorder.
Our
families
and
children
are
facing
an
unprecedented
crisis
in
terms
of
Overdose
deaths,
children
in
foster
care
and
lagging
Workforce
participation.
P
We
know
that
in
the
2021
annual
report
of
the
child
Fatality
and
near
fatality
external
review
panel
that
substance
misuse
in
the
home
was
a
factor
in
almost
half
of
the
child
Fatality
and
near
fatality
cases
that
that
panel
reviewed.
We
also
know
that
substance
misuse
in
the
home
where
children
are
present,
create
a
greater
risk
of
child
abuse
and
neglect
and
I
want
to
thank
this
body
for
taking
decisive
action
and
passing
House
Bill
7
in
the
2021
regular
session,
and
we
are
at
a
pivotal
juncture
in
our
fight
against
substance
use
disorder.
P
There
will
be
478
million
dollars
in
the
opioid
abatement
funding
that
will
be
made
available
to
communities
across
the
Commonwealth
in
the
coming
years,
and
it
is
very
unlikely
that
we
will
ever
have
another
opportunity
with
this.
This
amount
of
funding
infusion
for
us
to
use,
and
so,
therefore,
it
is
imperative
that
communities
be
empowered,
so
they
can
make
investments
in
the
prevention.
The
treatment
and
the
recovery
supports
that
they
want
using
some
of
these
abatement
funds.
P
The
recovery
ready
communities,
advisory
council's
role
is
to
develop
a
certification
that
will
be
used
across
the
state
and
the
advisory
council
is
working
hard
to
assure
that.
The
criteria
of
that
certification
includes
evidence-based
practices
and
interventions
that
are
really
geared
toward
establishing
new
and
supporting
existing
local
recovery
oriented
systems
of
care
and
to
increase
the
recovery
capital
of
individuals,
families
and
communities.
P
The
criteria
will
also
encourage
adoption
of
services
and
interventions
already
existing
in
other
communities
that
are
proven
to
be
easily
accessible
and
proven
to
be
effective.
We
know
that
there
is
no
one
perfect
road
to
recovery
on
the
individual
basis
and
we
also
know
there
is
no
one
pathway.
That
is
perfect
to
building
recovery
communities.
That
is
why
that
the
advisory
council
is
helping
to
build
a
flexible
framework
so
that
communities
can
pursue
the
proven
strategies
that
work
best
for
them.
P
G
Thank
you,
I
wanted
to
just
reiterate.
We
are
at
such
a
pivotal
time
where
we
have
three
major
opportunities
to
really
get
a
lot
of
synergy
and
really
focus
on
this
most
pernicious
public
health
and
safety
issues
and
I
think
that's
the
convergence
of
recovery,
ready
communities,
opioid
abatement,
commission
and
then
also
the
Senate
Bill
90
pilot
projects.
I
really
think
that
if
you
know
in
conjunction
with
each
other
and
working
together,
hand
in
hand,
I
think
we
can
make
a
big
impact
and
I
really
really.
G
You
know
we
just
can't
afford
to
lose
another
2200
people,
both
friends,
family
members,
neighbors.
It's
just
absolutely
vital
that
we
Empower
communities
to
really
step
up
and
be
able
to
respond,
and
and
just
since
I've
been
hired
on
August
8th
and
been
able
to
do
sort
of
a
Breakneck
tour
across
the
the
Commonwealth
to
see
what's
working
and
and
to
get
as
much
input
as
we
could
from
Community
stakeholders.
It's
it's
amazing.
G
It's
really!
Heartening!
You
know
in
these
hyper
polarized
times,
we've
got
you
know
some
Avid
Community
activists
and
police
Chiefs
together
in
the
same
room
coming
up
with
Solutions.
There
is
no,
you
know,
we're
one
team
we're
trying
to
protect
each
other,
and
it's
it's
very
heartening
and
wonderful
to
that.
I
want
to
sort
of
share
with
you
today,
the
sort
of
where
we're
at
so
these
were
the
goals
that
we
proposed
to
the
Council
itself.
G
Big
issue:
that's
still
out
there,
which
is
you
know
a
lot
of
us
that
are
in
that
live
and
breathe.
This
can't
sort
of
maybe
forget,
but
it's
stigma
and
really
the
stigma
of
not
having
recovery,
be
the
expected
outcome,
and
we
really
need
to
change
that.
G
I've
had
the
the
distinct
honor
and
privilege
with
working
with
folks
that
are
in
long-term
recovery,
and
they
said
that
you
know
if,
if
everyone
was
given
the
breaks
that
I
was
given,
if
they
were
given
the
support
that
I
was
given
I'm,
not
special
that
could
they.
You
know
they
could
be
me,
and
so
it's
really
what
this.
G
What
this
project
is
really
looking
at
doing
is
creating
those
protective
webs
around
peoples
and
communities
and
increasing
that
recovery,
capital
and
like
what
chair,
Darnell,
said,
strengthen
and
develop
the
recovery-oriented
systems
of
care
and
then
hopefully,
the
the
strata.
Our
objectives
are:
decreased
overdose,
deaths,
increased
Workforce
participation
and
then
healthier
and
safer
communities
for
all
of
us,
so
I
wanted.
Since
August
8th
since
I
joined
the
team.
G
This
is
where
we've
been
we've
had
we
had
29
separate
stakeholder
meetings
with
18
providers,
13
government
officials
over
60,
Public
Health
officials
and
then
49
community
members
and
those
represent
all
120
counties.
We
tried
to
get
as
as
far
as
we
could
you.
G
No,
we
were.
We
were
very
cognizant
of
that.
We
know
that
this
looks
different
in
every
community
and
that
every
and
again
there's
no
one
size
fits
all.
This
isn't
supposed
to
be
a
Fiat
from
Frankfurt.
This
is
supposed
to
be
a
flexible
framework
that
empowers
our
cities
and
counties
and
yeah.
We
took
that
to
heart.
We
did
not
want
it
to
be
some
some
rigid
structure,
so
I
want
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
how
we
think
this
process
is
going
to
go
moving
forward.
G
Once
we
get
the
website
and
the
portal,
the
application
portal
up
and
running,
my
team
will
be
engaged
in
Community,
Education
and
Recruitment,
and
that
was
one
of
my
asks
for
you
today
would
would
be
to
go
back
and
talk
to
your
County
Judge
Executives,
your
magistrates
and
your
Mayors
and
council
members
and
sort
of
maybe
prime
the
pump
and
like
ask
them
to
look
into
our
program
and
look
into
participating,
because
we
we
would
love
all
the
sport
we
can
find
so
Community
makes
their
application.
G
We
review
the
VOA
team
will
review
that
application.
Then
we'll
do
a
site
visit
and,
after
that
site
visit
we'll
make
an
assessment
to
the
the
board
and
then
let
the
board
make
their
decision
once
we
know
what
the
board's
decision
is.
We
we
go
to
the
go
back
to
the
community.
G
Hopefully
it's
good
news,
and
if
it's,
if
it's
not,
if
it's
a
work
in
progress,
then
we
dedicate
ourselves
to
providing
any
kind
of
technical
assistance
that
the
community
may
need
in
order
to
get
to
address
whatever
shortcomings
they
have
in
in
any
of
the
three
categories
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about,
and
then
also
that's
not
on
this
page,
but
we're
thinking.
G
You
know
it's
up
to
the
up
to
the
committee
or
to
The
Advisory
Council,
but
we're
looking
at
a
re,
recertification
process
sort
of
much
like
what
they
do
with
like
police
departments,
maybe
every
five
years,
something
that's
workable,
but
that
still
keeps
this
at
the
Forefront
of
communities
and
they
want
to
keep
that
certification.
G
So
these
were
the
the
criteria
categories
and
these
are
like
sort
of
broadly
how
we
were
trying
to
break
down
what
we're
looking
at
so
we've
got.
You
know
prevention
and
that
could
be
you
know
primary
or
targeted
prevention.
You
know,
we've
got
some
great
Regional
prevention
programs.
So
really,
how
do
we
help
make
sure
that
the
locals
are
plugged
in
with
those
efforts
and
then
strengthening
those
efforts?
Obviously,
quality
access
to
Quality
treatment?
G
Now,
one
thing
in
terms
of
like
not
penalizing
smaller
communities
and
I.
Think
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
the
council
I
think
they
were.
They
were
very
adamant.
They
aren't.
They
aren't
going
to
hold
it
against
a
small
community
that
they
don't
have
a
brick
and
mortar
treatment
facility
as
long
as
they're
working
to
provide
meaningful
access
and
I
think
that's
sort
of
the
best
approach
it's
instead
of
trying
to
duplicate
efforts
or
that
ultimately
won't
help.
G
Us
I
think
it's
better
to
have
a
strategic
Viewpoint
of
how
do
we
get
people
to
where
they
need
to
be
so
that
was
good
and
then,
in
terms
of
recovery
support.
Does
a
community
have
the
infrastructure,
you
know
we're
looking
at
core
is
funded
11
recovery,
community,
centers
and
I.
Think
we're
seeing
really
good
like
preliminary
results
from
that,
and
and
basically
what
that
is.
Is
it's
a
it's
a
landing
spot
for
someone
in
the
early
stages
of
recovery,
where
it's
a
it's
a
safe
place
to
go
where
they
can.
G
You
know
build
community
with
other
folks
that
are
in
recovery.
They
can
attend
all
their
meetings.
They
can
get
job
skills,
training
access
to
you
know,
education,
help!
That's
really
where
we're
seeing
a
a
lot
of
of
the
movement
and
then
also
in
the
literature
and
the
science.
The
nascent.
G
Area
of
recovery,
science
we're
seeing
that
these
These
are
sort
of
the
pillars
of
an
effective
Community
response,
and
so
that's
what
we're
looking
in
our
criteria
to
help
support
and
promote.
A
L
Yeah
Dr,
Katie,
Marks
and
I
did
a
training
there
at
the
league
of
cities
was
the
interest
pretty
good,
pretty
good
and
talking
to
JD
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
Mayors
excited
about
this
program
and
and
I
thought
Shelley
and
a
lot
of
counties
seem
to
be
interested
in
this
program.
So
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
heavy
lift
to
get
communities
to
participate.
I
really
don't
the.
A
The
only
other
question
I
had
and
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
off
to
us,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
if,
if
you've
heard
from
I,
know,
there's
chamber
representation
on
that
Council,
but
I'm
curious
from
a
Workforce
perspective.
If
there's
interest
in
in
what
we're
doing
it.
L
Really
is
you
know,
the
I
I
have
a
grant
with
the
chamber
foundation
for
to
to
do
trainings
for
employers
to
become
recovery,
ready
employers
they
held
their
first
Academy
last
year,
I
thought
they'd
be
lucky
to
get
10
businesses
that
wanted
to
participate
in
a
three-day
Academy.
They
had
to
turn
people
away.
They
had
to
stop
at
20
because
there
was
just
so
much
interest,
we're
going
to
do
three
more
academies
in
2023.
just
that
first
Academy
represented
20
000
employees,
so
the
business
Community
has
already
figured
out.
L
We
have
to
tap
into
this
Workforce
of
people
in
recovery
and
people
that
have
that's
really
encouraging.
Have
a
family
background
due
to
their
their
addiction.
So
I've
been
real
excited
about
the
participation
and
that
we've
had
for
the
business
community
and
Chambers
are
a
great
partner
to
have
to
do
that.
G
Yeah
in
the
local
Chambers
as
well
have
been
stepping
up
and
attending
our
our
community
meetings
and
town
halls
so
yeah
again,
very
heartening
of
the
response
and
then
finally
I
just
wanted
to
open
it
up.
That's
awesome,
see
I
could
have.
G
L
Just
to
let
you
know
I
don't
know,
chairman
know
that
Westfield
knows,
but
the
rest
of
you.
We
put
out
our
first
draft
early
this
month
to
the
to
the
council.
They've
had
a
few
weeks
to
kind
of
look
that
over
and
think
about
it
and
we've
taken
some
feedbacks
and
follow-up
from
some
of
them
and
we'll
meet
again.
I
think
it's
December
1st
and
present
to
them.
What
we
believe
will
be,
hopefully
will
be
a
final
product
and
then
we
hope
in
the
first
quarter
of
23
we're
certifying
communities.
That's
our
goal.
A
Well,
I
want
to
it's
exactly
what
I
wanted
you
to
present
and
I'm
glad
that
that's
your
your
final
slide,
so
I
hope
everyone
takes
that
address
down
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
Roberta.
If
we
can
send
that
specifically
to
all
committee
members
by
email,
I
want
to
remind
people
to
encourage
them
to
get
their
local
folks
involved
and
to
weigh
in
it's
exactly
what
I
wanted
y'all
have
to
be
here
to
present,
we
do
have
a
couple
questions
representative,
bratcher.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
you
know
one
time.
I
was
talking
to
someone
and
I
said
you're,
not
fixing
the
drug
problem
in
this
state,
and
they
told
me
it's
less
about
fixing
it
ending
it
and
it's
more
like
you
got
to
cut
your
fingernails
every
few
days.
It's
always
going
to
be
there
number
one.
Do
you
guys
agree
with
that
and
I
have
more
questions
after
that.
L
So
look
I,
don't
think
Washington
DC
is
going
to
fix
Kentucky's
drug
problem
and
I.
Don't
think
Frankfort
is
going
to
fix
next
community
over
nicholasville's
drug
problem.
These
issues
are
going
to
be
solved
Community
by
Community.
That's
the
way.
Grassroots
changes
always
happens
in
this
country
is
at
that
Grassroots
level.
I
think
that's
what
it's
going
to
take.
So
can
every
Community
make
things
a
little
better
I
think
they
can?
C
L
We've
we've
had
some
successes
and
we've
had
some
setbacks.
Certainly
2020
was
a
huge
setback.
A
lot
of
these
things.
We
can't
control.
We
can't
control.
The
cartels
have
gone
to
a
a
a
situation
where
fentanyl
is
involved
in
every
illicit
drug
on
the
street
that
they're
routinely
taking
Fentanyl
and
making
it
look
like
a
legitimate
pharmaceutical
and
then
selling
them
on
the
streets.
Those
are
the
things
we
don't
have
control
over,
so
we
have
to
control
what
we
can
represent
and.
C
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
everybody
at
the
table.
I
know
you're
working,
doing
God's
work,
the
right
thing,
but
sometimes
I
think
we
come
down
here
and
all
we're
doing
is
building
a
bigger
Band-Aid
for
a
problem
that
I
guess
is
just
too
big
for
Kentucky
I
get
frustrated
too.
Sir
yep
and
I
represent
the
taxpayers
and
I.
Don't
know
how
much
tax
money
going
into
this
this
program,
I
better,
do
my
homework,
but
it's
just
like
I
wish.
C
K
Carroll,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
the
presentation.
Van
we've
we've
talked
over
the
years
and
you
know,
there's
obviously
been
a
huge
shift
towards
treatment
and
and
programs
popping
up
all
over
the
Commonwealth
and
we've
talked
about
not
really
having
the
ability
to
not
not
coordinate
but
to
to
be
able
to
to
to
gauge
the
success
to
pull
all
the
data
together.
K
So
we
can,
you
know,
as
we
invest
money
each
session,
each
budget
session,
that
we
we
know
which
programs
are
working,
which
programs
aren't
working
where,
where
are
we
along
those
lines
and
and
do
we
have
a
structure
in
place
to
monitor
these
various
programs
and
their
success
is
all
of
this
being
combined
into
a
central
database
where,
where
are
we
on
that?.
L
We're
in
process
the
Kentucky
open
response
effort,
Dr
Marxist
group
has
done
a
really
good
job
with
Medicaid
claims
data.
That's
the
most,
but
the
best
source
of
data
for
us
as
a
state
government
is,
is
those
claims,
data
and.