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A
A
I
want
to
thank
my
co-chair
for
being
here
senator
embry
and
we
do
want
to
introduce
real
quick.
This
is
logan
shafe
and
he
is
going
to
be
joining
us.
He
is
going
to
be
jessica,
help
jessica
with
the
day-to-day
operations
for
veterans,
military
affairs
recent
graduate
from
uk,
and
so
we
are
glad
to
have
you
logan
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
there.
So
all
right!
A
B
B
B
A
All
right
and
I'm
here,
thank
you
so
much
if
we
could
have
our
distinguished
vet
come
up
and
would
you
mind
leading
us
in
the
pledge,
sir?
In
just
a
sec,
come
up
to
the
center
table
and
everyone
stand.
We're
gonna
have
the
pledge
allegiance
and
I've
asked
senator
mills
to
go
ahead
and
do
a
prayer
right
afterwards.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
You
are
welcome
to
have
a
seat
anywhere
there
we'll
be
with
you
in
just
a
sec.
We
just
have
last
minute
house
cleaning
for
those
members
that
are
here
and
in
cyber
worlds
you
should
have
received
a
the
minutes
copy.
The
minutes.
A
If
I
can
entertain
a
motion,
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
is
there
anyone
opposed
instead
of
me
saying
off
in
favor
of
all
right
notion
or
the
motion
passes
all
right.
Now
we
have
a
distinguished
vet
here.
That
is
a
a
constituent
I
think,
of
brother
fugit,
and
so
I
will
turn
the
mic
over
to
you
and
and
go
from
there
all.
D
Right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
introduce
to
you,
mr
chairman,
in
the
committee
to
a
friend
of
mine,
brother,
john
dodd.
He
is
from
the
big
city
of
benham
kentucky
down
in
harlan
county
and
I
guess
in
2016,
when
I
was
first
running
for
office,
I
met
brother
john
and
he's
more
than
a
constituent
he's
become
a
real
close
friend
of
mine,
he's
retired
20
years
after
of
service
for
for
the
army,
served
three
tours
in
vietnam.
Three
tours
in
korea
served
as
recruitment
officer.
D
I
And
I
attended
four
different
high
schools
in
harlan
county
before
I
ever
got
out
and
attended
hall
bentham,
cumberland
and
lowell
high
school
and
then
back
to
cumberland,
and
it's
just
I'm
sentimental.
Okay!
So
and
it's
really
an
honor
to
be
here-
and
I
have
three
sons,
my
oldest
son
was
killed
in
a
car
wreck
98.
I
I
When
I
came
back
to
harlan
county
after
being
away
from
years,
I'm
also
a
educator
from
the
wayne
county
board
of
education
in
monticello.
I
wore
different
hats.
There
I
coached,
I
talked-
I
was
the
principal
by
night,
high
school
for
dropouts,
which
I'd
love
to
see
one
of
them
in
every
county
in
kentucky,
because
it
definitely
it's
a
good
thing.
I
I
I
If
you
know
of
a
military
unit,
you
don't
have,
and
you
knew
somebody
that
served
in
that
unit
and
you
knew
what
date
they
were
killed
or
wounded.
You
can
go
online
and
punch
in
that
unit
and
the
history,
the
history
of
our
military,
would
tell
you
exactly
where
that
unit
was
at
on
that
day,
and
I
researched
a
lot
of
this
and
and
do
a
lot
of
things
with
it
and
we're
very
we're
very
careful
who
we
put
on
our
or
we
add
to
our
board.
I
We've
got
our
we've
got
our
regular
board,
which
has
our
trustees,
our
chairman,
and
that
and
then
we
got
our
members.
Our
circuit
judge
is
an
honorary
member.
He
had
a
dad
that
was
killed
in
world
war
ii
and
he's
a
tall
slender
guy
and
he's
the
one
that
cuts
cuts,
the
black
plastic
off
of
the
signs,
but
anyway,
I'm
getting
away
from
what
I
was
wanting
to
talk
about.
I
We
had
a
guy
by
the
name
of
james
mccoy
in
world
war
ii,
who
was
a
pfc
in
the
philippines
and
the
japanese
occupied
this
one
mountain
and
it
was
made
up
of
where
it
was
coal
or
some
other
mineral
that
they
mined.
On
top
of
that
mountain,
they
were
told
to
go.
Take
that
mountain,
so
you
can
take
it
in
two
weeks.
Well,
it
ended
up
taking
about
six
months,
because
the
japanese
had
reinforced
the
doors
in
that
they
couldn't
use
flame
floors.
I
That
mountain
had
to
be
secured
to
to
protect
his
right
flank
and
in
the
day
in
harlan
county.
It's
all
we.
We
have
always
been
loyal
military
supporters
in
harlan
county.
I
recruited
for
the
army
all
together
for
about
11
years
and-
and
I
was
talking
to
some
people
here-
I
recruited
out
of
somerset
three
different
times.
I
recruited
out
of
cleveland
ohio
one
time
for
three
years
and.
I
I
L
I
You
out,
but
this
thing
that
we
do
down
there,
naming
roads
and
bridges
after
our
deceased
veterans.
I
would
love
to
see
this
program
in
every
county
in
kentucky,
when
I
came
back
to
harlan
county
from
wayne
county,
we
didn't
have
it
in
wayne
county
and
I
would
go
to
lecher
county
and
perry
county
and
here's
all
these
roads
and
bridges
named
after
veterans.
I
That
is
when
I
got
the
group
together
and
we
started
this
organization
and
up
to
now
we
started
along
about
the
time
brother.
Chris
came
along
about
two
2016..
We
started
this
program
and
it's
been
about
five
years,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
people
who
serve
our
districts,
a
representative
from
middlesboro.
That's
got
efforts
lynch
black
star
and
brother
chris,
with
what
he's
got
getting
these
bridges
and
broads
names.
I
D
A
Don
as
as
he's
doing
that,
we
have
the
co-chair
of
transportation
in
the
room
representative,
randy
bridges
and
he'll
attest
that
last
year
we
put
that
sign,
naming
for
bridges
and
roads
kind
of
on
the
hiatus
a
little
bit.
But
we
are
working
on
trying
to
revamp.
That's.
I
I
A
A
A
B
Yeah,
I
I
just
I
dodd,
can't
see
me
there.
We
always
called
it
mayor,
dodd,
mayor
dot.
This
is
senator
smith,
I'm
remote
today,
but
I
can
attest
to
this
gentleman's
long-term
service
to
the
region.
Marlin
county
had
been
in
my
district
almost
two
decades
ago
and
even
then
mayor
don.
M
Was
already
tired
from
work
for
this
region,
but
he's
been
non-stop
since
then.
I
wish
I
could
be
in
there.
A
Thank
you
senator
all
right.
Well
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
into
the
agenda.
We
don't
want
to
leave
this
next
guest
hanging.
I
know
he's
a
busy
man
so
and
I
believe
he's
on
cyber
space
with
us,
so
we
want
to
welcome
brigadier
general
lamberton,
our
adjutant
general,
and
we're
always
glad
to
have
you,
sir,
you
you
have
a
standing
invitation
to
always
come
talk
with
us,
so
with
no
further
ado,
we'll
let
you
kind
of
report
on
what's
going
on
and
everything.
N
You
can
yeah
perfect
just
I
I
wanted
to
chime
in
real
quick
as
well
to
representative
fugate's
distinguished
visitor,
that
it
certainly
caught
my
attention
having
heard
multiple
tours
of
vietnam
and
korea,
so
anybody
who
served
into
the
military
in
those
types
of
environments
very
much
has
my
respect
as
well,
because
I
can
somewhat
empathize
with
what
they've
been
through
today.
N
I
wanted
to
give
you
all
kind
of
an
overview
of
what's
going
on
with
your
national
guard
at
this
junction
and
a
couple
of
specific
topics,
because
they're
near
term,
I
think
they're
of
interest
with
everybody
involved,
but
as
everybody's
tracking
you
know,
we've
all
been
responding
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
to
some
aspect
of
the
the
pandemic
and
we've
been
engaged
with
a
variety
of
support
activities.
N
I
believe
at
the
high
point
we
had
just
about
a
thousand
soldiers
and
airmen
who
are
engaged
in
some
aspect
of
pandemic
response,
and
this
is
everything
from
providing
security
at
hospitals
to
providing
mobile
vaccination
teams
of
which
are
still
out
there
now
and
operating,
providing
support
at
the
drive
through
testing
sites,
we're
still
administering
vaccinations
and
some
other
dynamics,
as
some
of
you
all
might
be
aware
of.
N
We've
also
had
folks
operating
in
some
of
the
the
food
pantries
around
the
the
state,
and
that
in
particular,
is
you
know
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
typically
volunteer
to
work
in
the
food
pantries
that
they
tend
to
be
elderly
folks.
So
they
are
the
the
more
at-risk
groups
do
or
for
the
prospect
of
exposure
to
the
coronavirus,
and
so
quite
simply,
as
the
virus
became
more
prevalent
about
it.
A
year
ago,
those
folks
backed
away
from
the
food
pantries
and
our
folks
were
able
to
step
up
and
engage
with
them.
N
N
Having
had
guardsmen
involved
with
both
the
the
primaries
of
a
year
ago
and
the
general
election
and
and
as
some
of
you
all,
are
probably
tracking
as
well,
that
none
of
our
folks
were
dressed
as
I
am
today
that
they
dressed
in
civilian
clothes
and
simply
thought
it
wouldn't
be
all
that
appropriate
to
have
a
soldier
standing
by
a
voting
booth.
It
might
give
that
the
wrong
impression,
but
that
worked
out
well.
N
We
did
have
a
a
number
of
minor
head
injuries,
but
nothing
physically
that
that
was
enduring,
and
everybody
came
back
from
that
deployment
and,
oh
also,
by
the
way,
during
that
this
same
time
frame,
we
had
a
medical
company
that
was
deployed
to
poland,
and
it
was
part
of
the
us
and
nato's
operation
inherent
resolve.
N
We
also
are
standing
up
another
group
of
about
200
soldiers
to
deploy
to
another
security
mission
over
in
the
the
horn
of
africa.
That's
along
the
eastern
african
coast.
If
you
aren't
familiar
with
the
area
plus,
we
were
still
anticipating
just
in
a
little
over
a
month,
so
in
october,
sending
down
another
group
of
about
210
soldiers
to
the
southwest
border
area,
so
sure
as
heck.
I
feel
that
we've
been
gainfully
employed
over
the
last
18
months
and
this
may
sound
kind
of
trite
in
a
way.
N
N
No,
that's
fine,
sir
again,
I
invited
anybody
if
they
have
a
question
to
go
ahead
and
and-
and
let
me
know
so
anyways
as
they're
saying,
the
the
secretary
of
defense
did
give
a
deadline
for
all
active
duty
forces
to
be
vaccinated,
and
this
was
prior
to
the
the
pfizer
declaration
yesterday
for
us
into
the
guard.
N
N
My
expectation-
and
this
was
from
consulting
with
the
higher-ups
at
the
national
guard
bureau,
who,
in
turn
have
been
in
touch
with
the
the
dod,
is
that
when
or
not
until,
moderna,
likewise
has
also
no
longer
an
under
an
authorized
use
authorization.
N
For
our
folks,
I
mentioned
just
a
little
bit
ago,
some
of
the
upcoming
deployments
that
are
on
the
horizon,
so
as
some
of
our
folks
deploy
and
they
transition
from
a
title.
32
state
guard
member
to
a
usc
code,
title
10,
active
duty
member
for
some
of
these
deployments,
whether
it's
domestic
or
overseas,
they
will
also
be
subjected
to
the
mandate
of
all
active
duty
soldiers
being
deployed
so
upon
those
deployments.
N
They
will
also
be
required
to
get
to
the
vaccination
and
we've
communicated
with
our
folks
on
that
and
and
working
to
ensure
that
everybody's
tracking,
that
that
one
other
aspect
suggests
as
well
is
that
when
it
does
come
down
for
vaccinations
to
be
mandatory
in
the
the
national
guard,
we've
heard
such
things.
You
know
that
a
soldier
could
turn
down
the
vaccination
and,
as
an
example,
by
regulation,
there
is
even
a
a
religious
exclusion
that
a
service
member,
a
guardsman
in
particular,
can
claim
for
not
wanting
to
get
vaccinated.
N
You
may
readily
recall
when
you
initially
go
to
basic
training,
one
of
things
that
you're
just
kind
of
filing
right
down
a
line
of
medics
who,
one
after
another,
are
giving
you
various
vaccinations
to
be
included
in
the
military
and
in
particular
that's
because
some
of
the
places
that
service
members
deploy
to
in
the
world
health-wise
are
not
the
safest
places
to
be.
N
N
And,
quite
literally
it
becomes
a
readiness
issue
at
that
junction
that
somebody
may
be
in
uniform.
But
if
they
are
not
deployable
because
they
haven't
had
the
vaccination
when
it
is
completely
authorized,
then
the
the
prospect
of
an
administrative
separation
could
come
into
being
and
what
I
want
to
qualify
with
that.
When
I
talk
about
an
administ
strait
of
separation,
is
I'm
not
talking
about
any
type
of
a
punitive
separation?
N
I,
as
the
adjutant
general,
would
not
take
any
sort
of
negative
action
for
somebody
who
says
whether
it's
for
for
their
some
un
proven
medical
concern
of
theirs
or
or
something.
If
it's
not
a
credible
statement,
but
quite
simply,
they
state
they
don't
want
to
get
vaccinated,
well,
they're,
no
longer,
potentially
a
viable
soldier.
N
N
A
Thank
you
we
do
have
well,
we
have
a
couple
questions
I
was
going
to
ask.
Is
the
activation
of
the
national
guard?
Is
that
dependent
on
the
state
of
emergency
declaration?
N
Yes,
sir,
and
let
me
answer
that
and
build
a
framework
for
you
as
well
like
for
the
the
emergency
declarations
most
of
the
scenarios
that
that
would
come
under.
That
would
be
exactly
it
was
what
we're
doing
right
now.
You
know,
and
the
pandemic
response
are
typically
the
way,
a
lot
of
folks.
N
Think
of
that,
the
national
guard
is
responding
to
some
type
of
a
a
weather
related
disaster,
and
our
engagement
with
that
and
with
the
small
caveat,
is
very
much
contingent
upon
a
a
natural
disaster
declaration
that
the
caveat
being
you
know
some
situations.
We
can
see
something
coming.
For
example,
we
see,
especially
for
some
coastline
states
that
they
see
a
hurricane.
N
They
know
it's
going
to
impact,
and
so
it
simply
passes
a
common
sense
test
to
go
ahead
and
activate
some
of
their
soldiers
in
advance
of
that
impact
to
prepare
the
community
for
it,
but
that
is
with
the
anticipated
emergency
management
declaration,
activating
them.
The
other
aspect
that
I'd
say
that
there
are
situations
and
and
I'll
get
into
this
and
just
well
I'll,
get
into
it
now
to
help
answer
your
question
as
well.
N
All
of
us,
by
virtue
of
the
national
news,
we're
tracking
the
exodus
or
the
outflow
of
refugees
coming
from
afghanistan
right
now,
you
know:
we've
seen
the
news
reports
and
and
the
initial
aircraft
and
how
crowded
they
were
and
flying
the
refugees
to
various
locations.
N
This
past
friday
evening,
literally
at
5
p.m.
Our
crg,
our
contingency
response
group
out
of
the
air
wing
in
louisville,
was
activated
to
go
up
to
wisconsin,
specifically
to
run
a
reserve
airfield
volk
airfield
by
name
because
wisconsin
and
specifically
fort
mccoy
wisconsin
is
one
of
the
locations
that
some
of
these
refugees
are
being
flown
into.
N
In
response
to
that
situation,
more
of
an
operational
dynamic
than
an
emergency
type
situation,
albeit
with
a
certain
level
of
urgency
to
it,
and
that
you
are
tracking-
and
I
know
I'm
going
off
on
a
slakeway
a
little
bit
but
again
just
building
into
the
framework.
To
answer
your
question
as
of
right
now
that
I'm
aware
of
here
in
the
states
there
are
four
locations
that
refugees
are
coming
to
the
states
from
afghanistan.
N
The
first
one
I
mentioned
fort
mccoy
wisconsin,
the
other
one
is
fort
bliss.
Next
is
fort
lee,
and
the
final
one
that
I
know
of
is
mcguire
air
force
base,
which
is
co-located
with
fort
dix.
In
new
jersey,
these
are
the
only
locations
that
I'm
aware
of
right.
Now,
but
again,
I
offer
that
as
an
example,
where
guardsmen
and
in
a
fairly
quick
notification
can
also
be
activated,
but
again
that's
in
a
federalized
action
as
opposed
to
a
state
level
action.
If
that
makes
sense,
sir.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
takes
me
a
while
to
get
tuned
back
in
here.
Thank
you,
general,
for
your
comments
today,
certainly
appreciate
it,
and
you
mentioned
that
you
know
your
national
guard.
C
Troops
are,
you
know,
deployed
around
the
world
and
across
the
country,
and
I
I
certainly
appreciate
that
and
appreciate
all
their
service
to
to
to
our
country
and
our
state,
because
you're
also
deployed
around
the
state
in
case
in
time
of
emergencies,
and-
and
we
appreciate
that-
I
also
wanted
to
mention
general
that
and
to
thank
you
for
something
you
didn't
mention
that
september
and
october
are
pretty
much
a
festival
time
in
kentucky
and
a
lot
of
festivals
across
the
state
and
you
and
have
made
available
the
kentucky
national
guard
to
help
many
of
those
festivals
with
traffic
control
and
and
their
presence.
C
There
is
much
appreciated.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
on
behalf
of
all
those
communities
that
that
you
share
and
allow
the
those
national
guard
troops
to
help
those
local
communities
during
those
festivals.
A
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
senator.
We
do
have
another
question
by
representative
gooch.
O
Thank
you,
mr
mr
chairman,
I
have
a
comment
and
then
maybe
a
couple
of
questions
and
general.
First,
let
me
say
thank
you
for
your
service
and
I
know
that
you
have
a
difficult
job
and,
and
any
comments
that
may
be
negative
or
certainly
aren't,
are
not
directed
at
you.
Let
me
say:
I'm
not
a
someone
who's
an
anti-vaxxer,
I'm
vaccinated
myself.
I
encourage
all
my
constituents,
all
my
family
members
to
get
vaccinated.
O
I
think
it's
probably
very
important
in
a
way
that
we
try
to
help
beat
this
thing,
but
I
think
that
one
of
the
problems
that
I
have
is
that
when
we
start
mandating
something
to
really
some
our
real
heroes
and
even
to
our
citizens
out
there,
you
know
these
folks
are
our
citizens
they're
and
we
we're
mandating
to
them.
O
We
haven't
mandated
vaccines
yet,
but
we've
mandated
in
some
you
know
instances
where
they
have
to
quarantine
with
mandated
instances
where
they
have
to
wear
mass
instances
where
they
have
to
close
their
business
instances
where
they've
had
to
do
many,
many
other
things,
and
I
think
that
we
ought
to
realize
that
when
we
force
things
on
our
citizens
of
this
country
in
this
state,
those
decisions
should
be
made
in
a
vacuum,
and
we
have
a
commander-in-chief
in
this
country
who,
in
six
months,
has
allowed
a
million
people
to
walk
across
the
border
untested
untested
unvaccinated,
and
it's
shipped
everywhere
in
this
country,
and
we
don't
even
know
where
they're
being
shipped
to
many
of
them.
O
We
know
are
positive
for
covin
and
I
guess
the
two
things
that
two
questions
that
I
have
one
is
have
we
in
kentucky
sent.
You
know
our
national
guard
to
the
southern
border,
and
the
second
question
is
how,
as
legislators,
can
we
find
out
how
many
of
the
people
that
have
come
across
that
southern
border
illegally
have
been
sent
to
kentucky?
N
Sir,
this
is
helen
amberton
again
I
apologize,
but
I
lost
the
connection
for
a
little
bit,
so
it
didn't
hear
anything
or
wasn't
able
to
engage
for
about
the
past
90
seconds,
but
I'm
fortunate
that
I
get
to
work
with
some
smart
I.t
folks
and
I'm
back
with
you
at
this
junction.
So
I'll
need
to
be
clued
into
any
other
questions
that
just
came
up.
A
We'll
let
represent
goods.
Do
you
mind
repeating.
O
It
okay
all
right.
Well,
I
I
hate
to
have
to
repeat
it
because
I
might
not
be
able
to.
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
as
I
said
earlier,
that
I
certainly
have
great
respect
for
you
and
your
service.
O
But
what
I
was
saying
was
that
when
we
mandate
on
our
service
people,
you
know
our
heroes
out
there
and
then
even
our
citizens
as
well
different
types
of
things
they
have
to
do
in
many
instances
they
had
to
close
their
businesses.
You
know
they
had
to
maybe
quarantine
in
certain
instances
they
had
to
wear
masks,
they
had
to
do
lots
of
things
sometimes
even
have
to
be
tested
or
whatever,
and
that's
that's,
okay,
I'm
for
the
vaccine.
O
I
want
everybody
to
get
the
vaccine,
but
what
I
said
was
that
when
we
mandate
to
our
citizens,
and
specifically
our
volunteers
in
in
the
national
guard
and
in
reserves
that
have
done
that
really
are
our
heroes.
O
O
Many
cases
put
on
a
bus
and
shipped
all
over
the
country,
and
I
see
that
as
a
you
know,
it
just
makes
me
feel
like
that.
O
You
know:
are
those
people
really
serious
about
fighting
this
when
they're
doing
something
so
blatantly
super
spreader,
as
as
as
the
events
that
we've
seen
on
the
southern
border,
my
and
then
the
two
questions
I
had
was
one:
have
we
sent
nash,
our
kentucky
national
guard
to
the
border,
and
the
second
was:
how
do
we
as
legislators,
find
out
how
many
people
have
been
sent
to
kentucky
that
are
people
who
walked
illegally
across
our
border?
O
Many
cases
untested
unvaccinated
and,
and
we
know
that
many
of
them
probably
have
a
higher
positivity
rate
than
our
citizens
here
in
kentucky,
where
can
we
find
out
that
information?
Thank
you,
sir.
N
Members
from
other
states
who
are
working
into
the
border
area
to
to
your
question
specifically
of
folks
who've
crossed
the
border
illegally
and
what
is
their
health
status
to
be
straightforward
with
you
that
that
is
out
of
my
purview
and
the
information
I
have
available,
I
would
strive
to
contact
the
department
of
public
health
and
see
how
they
could
respond
to
it.
A
B
Thank
you
for
your
service
and
I
want
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
dc
activation
for
a
minute.
If
I
can,
our
national
guard
troops,
what
missions
were
they
performing
in
dc.
N
They
changed
over
time,
but
pretty
much.
The
majority
of
the
missions
were
simply
standing
security
and
then
also
working
as
what
we
call
a
qrf
or
a
quick
reaction
force.
If
suddenly,
some
particular
location
had
to
be
augmented
with
more
soldiers,
they
were
on
an
immediate
recall
status
to
go
from
there
to
wherever
the
incident
may
have
occurred.
B
N
It
was
contingent
upon
where
they
were.
Some
folks,
for
example,
did
have
self-protection
equipment
because
they
were
positioned
in
a
a
situation
in
which
they
might
have
been
threatened.
Some
other
folks,
for
example,
were
working
supply
and
distribution
and
command
and
control
logistical
situations
in
which
they
were
not.
If
you
will
at
the
forefront
in
which
any
confrontation
would
take
place,
it
wouldn't
have
been
appropriate
to
tailor
those
folks
with
self-protective
measures.
B
I
understand
the
logistics
and
supply
and
command
and
control
the
the
people
that
were
on
the
front
lines.
What
type
of
self-protection
items
did
they
have.
N
Typically,
we
got
everything
from
what
I
simply
call
our
battle:
armor,
everything
from
a
helmet
to
iba
or
individual
body
armor.
Were
they.
N
B
B
The
people
that
were
on
security
missions
stand
in
security.
You
had
said
that
they
were
on
on
a
different
post
performance
of
security
mission.
They
were
not
armed.
N
A
Okay,
mr
chairman,
all
right,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions.
General
lamberton
did
we
had
slide
presentations.
I
think
some
of
these
items-
you've
kind
of
covered.
Is
there
some
other
items
that
you'd
like
to
talk
about?
We
want
to
give
you
as
much
time
as
you
need,
or
does
that
conclude
everything.
N
Sure,
sir,
there
were
some
slides,
but
but
we
we've
addressed
that
conversationally
that
there
are
a
couple
of
other
things
that
I
want
to
be
sure
that
folks
are
aware.
Aware
of-
and
again
you
may
have
heard
this
into
the
news
already,
but
where
our
folks,
in
their
response
to
the
pandemic,
have
been
federally
funded
over
the
last
12
plus
months.
That
federal
funding
was
due
to
end
with
the
end
of
the
federal
fiscal
year,
meaning
this
30
september
of
next
month.
N
N
Basically,
what
that
enables
us
to
do
is
to
continue
use
some
of
the
same
functions
that
I've
already
verbalized
with
you
from
the
mobile
vaccination
teams
to
our
folks,
working
in
the
food
pantries
to
our
folks,
working
with
others
in
the
hospital
settings
and
quite
simply,
for
example,.
N
Where
I
mentioned
specifically
the
the
food
pantries
and
there's
a
cluster
on
there,
around
hardin
county
and
radcliffe
and
e-town,
where
they
virtually
would
have
had
to
shut
down
without
the
continued
support
of
our
folks.
So
so
this
way
they're
able
to
continue
their
operations
and,
speaking
with
the
lady
who's
kind
of
the
the
spokesperson
for
several
of
them,
it's
their
belief
that
they
will
be
able
to
receive
grants
that
will
enable
them
to
hire
others
in
the
beginning
of
the
next.
B
N
Your
limits
there,
but
what
I
wanted
to
also
add
what
this
continued
federal
funding
does
do
for
us,
as
that,
you
may
have
heard
recently
from
the
governor's
press
release
where
there's
a
significant
concern
with
all
of
the
hospitals
across
the
commonwealth,
about
not
having
enough
staffing
to
enable
them
to
reach
their
capacity.
Their
bed
capacity
and
several
hospitals
have
already
met
their
capacity
based
on
the
staffing.
N
What
I'm
getting
into
is
that
the
hospital
staffing
is
a
urgent
issue
with
many,
and
I
would
offer
in
the
upcoming
days
and
weeks,
even
a
greater
issue.
So
at
the
moment
we've
stood
up
five
teams,
five
groups
of
soldiers
that
are
going
to
go
to
five
different
locations
around
the
state
to
augment
the
staff
of
those
selected
hospitals.
N
As
on
the
phone
with
the
governor
earlier
this
morning,
we're
going
to
additionally
stand
up
to
two
more
teams,
so
basically
that'll
bring
us
to
over
a
hundred
soldiers
who
are
going
to
be
scattered
to
augment
the
the
staffing
at
various
locations,
and
the
anticipation
of
the
concern
is
that
that
dynamic
will
continue
to
increase
and
so
we're
reaching
into
our
formations
to
get
other
soldiers
to
bring
them
together
to
send
them
out
to
wherever
the
need
may
be
the
greatest.
Because
again,
this
isn't
just
a
urban
dynamic,
a
rural
dynamic.
N
It's
facing
multiple
hospitals
across
the
the
different
hospital
systems
we
got
throughout
the
commonwealth,
but
that
was
also
facilitated
by
the
continuation
of
the
federal
funding
coming
to
us
and
really
so
we're
subject
to
to
any
further
questions
from
your
all's
part
that
that's
kind
of
the
bulk
of
the
immediate
information.
N
I
know
I
I
really
that
I
owe
the
one
representative
a
more
definitive
answer,
what
specific
security
positions
our
folks
had
and
their
arming
status-
and
I
will
get
that
to
the
committee
and
and
go
from
there
subject
to
any
further
questions
on.
A
N
A
General,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
This
morning
I
had
a
history
teacher
that
used
to
always
tell
us
it
said
any
important
events
around
the
whole
world
always
had
that
tie
to
hopkinsville,
but
I
would
expand
that
to
hesita
to
kentucky
because
it
sounds
like
we
are
actively
engaged
in
things
all
over
the
world
and
we
appreciate
you
leading
this
charge
and
and
making
our
state
and
our
country
a
better
place.
So
thank
you
for
being
here
any
other
questions
for
the
general
right.
G
Mr
chair,
this
is
senator
david
yates.
I
logged
on
just
a
few
minutes
behind.
I
didn't
want
to
interrupt
the
speakers,
but
I
did
want
to
say
thank
you
for
for
your
service.
Thank
you
for
what
we're
doing,
and
just
my
only
question
is
some
of
the
a
lot
of
national
guard
are
student
members
and
a
lot
of
times
that
they're
they're
taken
out
they're
not
able
to
complete,
or
they
miss
a
certain
amount
of
days
onto
it,
is
the
national
guard.
N
Let
me
help
me
to
answer
your
question,
sir,
so
the
credits
to
accumulate
while
their
way
are
you
talking
about
still
studying,
via
some
type
of
a
distance
learning
dynamic
with
their
university
or
credit
for
whatever
experience
their
deployment
game.
G
General,
no
I'm
actually
looking
at
other
places
and
and
some
of
our
universities
whenever
they
are
deployed,
they
missed
a
certain
amount
of
days
and
they're
able
to
get,
I
guess
would
be
incompletes
and
what
is
done
in
other
places.
I
think
that's
gotten
a
rating
for
military.
G
I
know
that
you're
having
some
trouble
recruiting
additional
service
people,
especially
for
national
guard
right
now.
We
want
to
increase
those
numbers,
and
we
also
want
to
do
everything
we
can
to
support
these
young
soldiers,
and
I
guess
we
could
dive
into
it
to
a
different
area.
But
it's
something.
G
I've
been
working
on
and
looking
at
best
practices
throughout
the
united
states
and
what's
worked
in
other
places
and
see,
if
that's
something
that
you
thought
you'd
be
supportive
of
to
help
in
recruiting
efforts,
but
also
support
these
young
men
and
women
and
making
sure
they
complete
their
degrees.
I
know
that
it's
going
to
be
frustrating
talking
to
some
of
them
that
they
start.
G
Then
you
start
back
over
again
and
again,
which
makes
it
very
difficult
to
be
able
to
get
a
undergraduate
and
graduate
degrees,
and
so
something
I've
been
working
on
and
just
wanted
to
see.
If
you
thought
that
would
be
something
that
would
not
only
aid
the
men
and
women
serving
our
country,
but
also
in
recruiting
efforts.
N
Yes,
sir,
straightforward
conceptually,
I'm
right
there
with
you
if
any
of
our
folks
soldiers,
airmen
and
not
just
kentucky,
but
the
guard
members
from
other
states
can
continue
to
to
work
their
education
while
deployed
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
that,
and
there
are
specifics-
and
you
probably
know
of
some
as
well,
where
service
members
in
a
deployment,
especially
if
it's
more
of
a
domestic
deployment
where
the
intensity
isn't
quite
the
same,
but
even
in
some
cases
where
folks
have
deployed
overseas
that
they
have
been
able
to
continue
to
work
on
classes
in
a
dl
or
distance
learning
mode
with
whatever
institution
they've
come
from,
but
very
much.
N
If
that
can
be
done,
I'm
completely
there
with
it.
Just
a
couple
things
to
share
with
you
as
well
and
initially
this
was
the
direction
I
thought
you
were
going
in.
But
what
we've
been
able
to
do
is
when
we've
deployed
folks
and,
for
example,
I'll
use.
Since
we
were
recently
talking
about
the
deployment
to
dc
a
few
months
ago
that
all
of
the
folks
who
went
on
that
deployment
100
of
them,
they
were
all
volunteers
for
it.
N
But
we
we
did
not
have
to
go
and
order
or
direct
any
individual
to
participate
with
that
operation
that
we
were
able
to
do
so
where
it
or
they
were
individually,
were
able
to
work
it
out
with
their
own
personal
schedule.
So
it
didn't
leave
anybody
in
the
large
and
that
also
kind
of
ties
into
another
aspect
that
you're
alluding
to
as
far
as
retention
and
our
recruiting
ability.
N
I
was
just
earlier
this
morning,
speaking
with
an
active
duty
sergeant
major,
and
we
acknowledged
where
the
active
duty
army
did
not
make
its
recruiting
goal
this
past
recruiting
year
in
the
kentucky
national
guard.
We
did
make
our
recruiting
goal
and
there
were
only
about
14
states
in
the
entire
country
that
made
their
recruiting
goal,
and
I
just
present
that
as
a
testament
to
the
quality
of
recruiters
that
we've
got
as
well.
N
That,
in
spite
of
the
pandemic
environment,
that
they
were
able
to
find
out
other
ways,
whether
it's
social
media
as
an
example
or
other
mechanisms
to
still
reach
out
and
engage
kids
and
their
families.
And
yes,
the
recruiting
dynamic,
is
a
concern.
But
quite
simply
here
in
kentucky
our
recruiters
got
after
it
and
they
did
well
by
virtue
of
all
of
us.
A
General
once
again,
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
would
attest
it's
part
of
the
leadership
too.
So
then
that's
why
we're
meeting
some
of
our
goals.
So
thank
you
for
for
leading
our
great
state
and
we
will
go
ahead
and
and
give
you
some
time
off.
Please
don't
get
shot
out
out
there
and
stay
safe
and
we
will
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
at
a
future
date.
N
A
All
right
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
item:
it's
right
at
11
o'clock,
so
we
have
three
bills
that
are
kind
of
in
the
process
that
we're
working
on
and
we're
gonna
try
to
a
lot,
maybe
about
20
minutes
for
each
to
get
everybody
out
here.
At
lunchtime
here
so
representative,
randy
bridges,
district
three
he's
been
working
on
this
from
last
year.
What.
O
A
Right
all
right,
so
we're
saying
we
do
have.
It
looks
like
copies
of
last
year's
bill
and
representative
bridges.
I
think
there's
one
that's
hot
off
the
press
for
this
year
for
discussion
purposes
also,
I
don't
believe
it
has
been
pre-filed
yet,
but
at
least
it
has
a
few
changes
and
you
might
be
able
to
note
those
so
the
floor
is
yours,
sir.
Please
introduce
your
guest
thank.
L
You,
mr
chair
and
committee,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
here
to
share
with
you
br
74.
We
haven't
filed
it
this
year,
but
it
was
formerly
house
bill
46
that
I
had
the
privilege
to
introduce
to
the
house
committee
back
in
the
21
session
and
it
was
late
in
the
year
and
everything.
But
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
it
then
and
again
today.
L
This
is
about
an
act
relating
to
swimming
pool
safety
standards,
better
known
as
what
we've
been,
because
we've
become
to
call
ava's
law
and
before
I
get
into
the
details.
L
There
is
a
story
to
be
told,
and
it's
not
my
story.
I
have
with
me
today
carrie
and
brian
jenkins,
that
are
with
us,
via
virtually
and
they're
here,
to
share
a
story
that
brought
about
the
this
bill
and
and
the
need
for
it,
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
carrie
and
brian
jenkins.
G
Good
morning,
I'm
karen
this
is
my
husband
brian
23
months
ago
we
lost
our
two
and
a
half
year
old,
only
daughter,
ava,
grace
to
a
drowning
accident
at
our
next
door,
neighbors
above
ground
pool,
as
you
can
imagine,
the
last
23
months
have
been
a
complete
nightmare.
Our
world
has
absolutely
been
shattered.
G
L
It
is
a
few
months
and
their
story
broke
my
heart
and
and
I've
done
some
research
and
I'm
grateful
that
I
got
to
be
careful
lrc
and
I
have
done
research
and
I
want
to
boast
on
the
great
people
of
lrc
that
has
worked
behind
the
scenes,
but
this
is
th.
This
is
an
important
issue
before
us
today.
L
L
L
L
All
the
new
drain
covers
even
to
retrofit
older
drains
required
to
meet
the
virginia
grand
banker
act.
However,
there
are
some
old
inventory
out
there
that
can
be
obtained.
That's
pretty
cheap
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
require
all
new
all
main
drains
to
to
cover
that
and
then
the
other
part
is
a
barrier
system.
L
Just
so
you
know
an
above
ground
pool.
This
would
address
above
ground
pools,
spas,
temporary
pools
or
in-ground
pools,
and
I
know
that
representative
tackett
last
year
had
some
questions
about
above
ground
pools.
Most
standard
above
ground
pools
are
at
least
48
inches
tall,
so
if
they
are
48
inches
above
ground,
that's
the
height
of
the
barrier
and
the
side
of
that
pool
would
qualify
as
its
own
barrier.
L
So
there
would
no
be
be
no
additional
cost
to
that.
The
big
thing
is
addressing
entry
into
the
pools
and
access
with
above
ground
pools
safety.
Ladders
now,
there's
all
of
them
that
are
being
produced
now
have
either
a
removable
lockable
device
that
will
prevent
entry
into
a
pool
from
that
ladder,
but
and
the
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
for
those
type
instances
is
just
simply
make
a
law
that
says
you
have
to
follow
the
manufacturer's
advice
so
that
that
will
either
be
removed
or
locked
to
prevent
a
young
child
of
this
nature.
L
And
since
then
I've
become
aware
of
a
couple
more
deaths
in
the
past
year.
I
think
there's
one
around
the
seabree
area
and
then
one
over
in,
I
think,
east
central
kentucky
and
it's
just
a
tragedy.
I
I'll
open
up
to
questions.
I
know
we're
we're
tight
on
time
and
everything,
but
I
just
want
to
tell
you
how
much
I
appreciate
to
be
able
to
get
this
before
you.
I
I
feel
like
that.
L
If,
if
we
could
implement
just
the
skeleton
foundation
to
protect
these
children
from
pools,
it
would
be
vitally
important
and
the
cost
to
the
to
the
individuals
that
have
these
pools.
I
think
it
is
commensurate
with
the
top
pool
they're
putting
in
if
they're
putting
in
a
big,
expensive,
in-ground
pool.
Then
the
fence
system
around
that
that
it's
going
to
take
would
would
be
a
percentage
that'd
be
reasonable
to
their
to
their
affordability.
L
If
it's
an
above
ground
pool
and
just
basically
following
the
guidelines,
that's
already
set
in
place,
it's
there
just
telling
people
they
have
to
abide
by
them,
because
the
the
neighbor
and
let
me
say
this-
the
neighbor-
had
no
intent
of
harm
to
to
to
miss
ava
grace.
But
if
there
had
been
a
law
in
place
their
ladder,
imprinted
said
please
remove
after
use,
if
we'd
had
a
law
there
and
they
had
known
about
that
and
they
and
and
and
it
had
been
followed,
she'd
still
be
with
us.
L
So
it's
it's
not
a
very
invasive
or
or
thing
that
we're
asking
here
and
I've.
I
have
asked
for
fiscal
analysis
and
haven't
got
that
back
yet,
but
we
we
are
in
that
process
of
getting
that
too.
So
I'll
open
it
up
to
questions.
I
I
don't
mind
going
through
the
bill.
The
changes
we
made
from
last
year
to
this
year
are
very
minor.
L
We
do
have
the
pool
and
spa
safety
association
that
has
worked
with
us
to
to
massage
it
a
little
bit
honestly,
when
I
put,
I
had
to
put
the
bill
side
by
side
and
watch
it
word
for
word
for
what's
been
changed
and
it's
just
some
misogyny
on
it.
So
there's
not
a
great
deal
of
different
than
the
committee
sub
we
presented
last
year.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
We
do
have
a
couple
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
say
to
kerry
and
brian
jenkins
out
there.
I
know
you,
you
kind
of
shortened
your
your
description,
but
this
only
took
minutes.
I
mean
your
your
eyes.
Can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
because
I
think
you
did
that
last
session
in
front
of
the
committee,
but
elaborate
just
a
little
bit.
This
is
something
that
it's
not
something
we'll
go
ahead
in
your
own
words.
N
C
G
A
L
But
I
can
tell
the
committee
that,
and
and
brian
and
g
brian
and
kerry
understand
this-
I
have
talked
to
our
county
sheriff
that
oversaw
the
investigation
they
were
completely
investigated.
There
were
some
hard
questions
asked
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
hard
innuendos
on
social
media
about
you
need
to
take
care
of
your
child.
You
need
to
pay
more
attention
if
it
was
yours.
Why
should
I
have
to
put
something
on
my
pool
to
protect
that
they've?
L
This
couple
has,
as
was
put
before,
been
through
hell
and
back
over,
losing
a
child
of
this
young
age
and
my
county
sheriff.
I
I
trust
him
with
with
everything
and
and
in
his
own
words,
he's
already
they've
already
suffered
enough.
He
said
this
was
not
intentional.
It
was
not
their
fault,
it's
simply
a
two-year-old
toddler
that
you,
you,
you
blink
and
they
disappear
and
you
have
to
go
hunt
for
them,
and
so
I
you
know
for
those
that
may
have
questions
of
that
nature.
L
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
they
and
we've
talked
about
this,
and
they
have
been
subject
to
some
very
cruel
and
harsh
accusations,
not
by
the
police,
but
by
social
media
and
everything.
When
we
released
this
last
year-
and
I
I
can
assure
you
this-
this
could
have
happened
to
me
and
my
grandchildren.
I've
got
a
granddaughter
this
age,
this
past
sunday
I
was
out-
and
my
wife
told
me
she
said
she
knew
this
was
coming
up.
L
She
said
to
pull
in
up
here
and
we
pulled
into
a
seminary,
and
I
got
to
see
the
monument
frame
of
grace
and
if
we
can
save
just
one
child,
this
will
be
worth
it,
but
there's
so
many
more
out
there
that
could
be
very
easily.
Their
death
can
be
prevented
if
we
can
just
act
so
I'll
open
up
the
questions.
Thank
you
thank.
A
G
This
happened
to
friends
of
ours.
Oh
I
guess
about
10
years
ago,
a
little
the
cutest
little
boy
you
ever
saw
just
went
down
the
street
two
two
doors
within
minutes
and
was
found
in
the
swimming
pool
of
a
neighbor.
G
C
G
Know
of
one
that
the
the
the
person
just
absolutely
refuses
to
to
put
any
kind
of
safeguards,
even
though
his
homeowners
group
tells
him
he
has
to
do
it,
they're
back
and
forth,
with
court
blah
blah
blah.
But
what
kind
of
if
this
law
passes?
What
would
be
the
ramifications
if
somebody
just
refused,
or
even
if
they
unintentionally
didn't,
do
it
right
or
whatnot?
Is
this
a
criminal
or
a
civil
thing?
Explain
all
that
randy.
L
Thank
you,
representative
bratcher,
at
this
time.
If
and
I
can
send
you
a
copy
of
the
bill
at
the
end
there
there
are
punitive
damages,
fifty
dollars,
minimum
fifty
dollars
up
to
a
hundred
dollars
a
day
that
will
go
up
and
I
think
the
the
statute.
It
falls
under
limits
that
to
a
thousand
dollars,
but
we're
looking
at
maybe
changing
that
too,
because
I
there
are
what
you
said:
there's
homeowner
associations,
there's
also
some
county
and
city,
zoning
or
ordinances.
L
That's
been
put
in
place
to
protect
this,
but
there's
nothing
statewide
that
gives
it
any
teeth
or
anything,
and
it's
just
left
up
to
the
individual
communities.
Now
there
have
been
some
some
exceptions
to
this
added
to
this
bill,
so
that
you
understand
I
I
had
one
gentleman
from
central
kentucky
called
and
said:
I've
got
a
15,
000
automatic
pool
cover.
When
I
get
out
of
that
pool.
I
push
that
button.
It
closes.
You
can
play
football
on
it.
L
Why
should
I
be
forced
to
to
put
a
barrier
around
that
fence
and
there
is
exceptions
for
those
kind
of
pool
covers
in
this
bill?
Another
exception.
There's
you
know
you
get
a
lot
of
rural
areas
and
I've
had
farmers
contact
me
and
say
you
know
if
I
have
to
do
that
around
my
pool.
Am
I
to
do
around
every
pond
on
my
farm,
so
we
went
back.
L
We
looked
at
some
other
regulations
in
taxing
districts
and
everything,
and
we
found
the
10
acre
aggregate
for
farmland
and
we
we've
actually
added
that
to
that
exemption.
So,
if
you're
in
a
rural
area
there
there's
not
houses
close
and
you've
got
10
continuous
acres
with
your
property,
then
you
would
be
exempt.
So
we
have,
I
hate
to
say
this
and
brian
kerry.
L
I
I
promise
you
I'd
fight
for
you
every
bit
of
the
way,
but
we
have
made
certain
parts
of
this
law
pretty
lenient
with
those
exceptions
just
to
I
would
like
to
say
if
we
can't
save
all
of
them,
we
can
save
most
of
them,
and
and
this
will
be
targeted
for
high
density
areas,
subdivisions
even
in
rural
areas.
You
have
subdivisions
where
people
live
together.
L
You
know
close
together
and
everything
that
that's
what
we're
targeting
to
to
protect
the
a
child
from
getting
loose
and
just
going
two
houses
down
into
a
pool,
that's
not
protected,
and
by
the
time
you
you
get
one
out
of
your
your
prayer.
For
that.
You
know
that
amount
of
time.
You
know
it
it's
too
long
and
and
that
that
barrier,
the
the
thing.
L
But
I
don't
know
if
I
answered
your
question
completely
represented
bratcher,
but
I
will
get
with
you
later
on
to
help
go
in
detail,
and
perhaps
you
have
some
suggestions
on
how
we
could
do
more
to
to
force
them
to
do
that.
A
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representative
bridges
for
this
and
there's
no
question
that
something
this
bill
is
needed.
You
know
I
recently,
as
you
mentioned,
had
someone
in
my
county
in
the
seabrook
area,
a
young
child
that
that
drowned
as
well
for
16
years,
I
was
in
the
property
cash
insurance
business
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
would
never
have
written
a
homeowners
policy
on
a
home
with
an
in-ground
pool
that
didn't
have
a
fence
around
it.
O
It
just
was
too
much
of
a
liability
to
to
take,
and
I
just
wouldn't
have
done
it.
I
think
you
answered
my.
I
had
a
question,
but
I
think
you
answered
you
answered
it,
but
I
remember
a
few
years
ago
we
had
a
bill
similar
to
this
and
I
think
the
big
issue
that
came
up
that
prevented
it
from
passing
at
that
time
was
the
the
real
property.
Where
you
know
a
house
could
have
a
pool
behind
it
and
it
sets
way
off
the
road
on
a
you
know.
O
Several
acre
site
might
have
a
pond
or
a
lake
somewhere
close
by
as
well,
and
so
I
think
it's
good
that
you
are
making
that
exception
in
in
this
circumstances,
where
it
wouldn't
be.
You
know
feasible
to
to
do
that,
so
I
certainly
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill
and
I
look
forward
to
supporting
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
L
Mr
chair,
I
do
have
a
comment,
the
the
actually
for
the
insurance
side,
of
that
the
neighbors
insurance
company
had
not
been
notified.
They'd
put
the
pool
in
they
didn't
know
they
had.
This
was
above
ground
pool,
and
so
they,
their
insurance,
avoided
their
their
policy
for
that
action.
So
it
is
something
there
are
measures
out
there,
but
there's
just
no
teeth
to
anything
where
people
know
they
have
to
do
something.
H
And
and
the
furry
the
furry
grandchild
hates
the
water,
the
little
one
there
loves
the
water,
so
I
am
sensitive
to
this
pool
issue
and
in
fact,
representative
bridges.
One
of
my
questions,
I
think
you
just
answered
from
representative
bratcher
and
that
was
pool
safety
pool-
covers
I've
actually
been
approached
by
a
constituent
asking
me
about
that.
H
L
H
Okay
and
then
my
second
question
is
this:
this
might
seem
like
a
a
negative
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
negative
against
your
bill,
because
I
do
support
it,
but
I
am
a
little
bit
concerned
about
two
things.
One
retroactively
requiring
folks
to
put
in
the
drain,
diffusers
that
I
don't
know
what
that
cost,
but
I
do
think
that
would
be
something
that
is
unusable
for
us
to
go
back
on
something
that
was
approved
to
be
done.
H
We
don't
do
it
for
electrical
changes,
changes
to
anything
that
you
know
the
electrical
code
or
the
water
code
or
any
of
the
building
codes
we.
So
it's
kind
of
odd
that
we
would
do
that
for
this,
and-
and
that
includes
a
lot
of
things
like
gfi's
on
houses
in
the
bathroom,
we
can't
go
back
and
make
a
homeowner
put
those
in
even
those
those
are
quite
a
safety
device.
So
that
leads
me
to
my
second
question
regarding
those
diffusers.
H
I
do
know
the
children
it's
a
bad
deal.
I
know
I
know
people
in
my
district
that
have
lost
a
child
to
a
pool,
but
no
child
that
I've
heard
of
in
a
residential
pool,
which
is
different
than
a
public
pool
public
pools
have
very
large
suction
lines.
They
have
they're
they're,
sucked
they're
moving
literally
500
to
a
thousand,
sometimes
more
than
a
thousand
gallons
of
water
through
their
drain
diffusers,
whereas
a
homeowner's
pool
is
more
like
75
gallons
a
minute.
It's
very
small,
there's
not
much
suction.
H
L
L
Our
concern
is
that,
if
it's
especially
with
with
existing
pools
that
we
we
do
require
them
to
be
upgraded
to
some
point
where
for
the
barriers,
the
the
ladders
and
things
like
this
most
pools,
actually
what
most
people
don't
know
is
I
I
for
a
couple
of
years
I
owned
a
pool
company
and
I
installed
swimming
pools
and
the
trend
is
the
the
new
in-ground
pools
they
used
to
they
usually
about
a
quarter
or
a
one
horsepower
three
quarter
to
one
one
and
a
quarter
horsepower.
L
Now
it's
not
uncommon
to
put
a
two
two
and
a
half
or
three,
because
there's
there's
so
many
more
luxury
devices
they're
adding
to
these
pools,
fountains
and
and
different
things
that
that
require
the
the
bigger
horsepower
that
that
was
my
thought
coming
from
a
background
in
pools
a
little
background
in
pools,
and
that
was
it
but
the
the
retroactive.
You
know
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
of
of
looking
at
maybe
grandfather
or
something
in,
but
all
the
new
all
the
new
replacement
covers
even
for
old
main
drains.
L
They
have
to
have
meet
the
the
federal
virginia
ground
banker
act.
So
it's
already
in
place.
I
was
just
trying
to
keep
from
old
stock
being
used
and
and
try
to
they're
again
just
in
here
trying
to
take
the
opportunity
to
prevent
this
from
happening,
but
I'd
be
more
glad
to
discuss
an
amendment
or
something
to
it
down
the
road.
If
you
you
know
and
help
me
out.
H
Maybe
something
like
this
representative
bridges
and
since
you're
in
the
pool
industry,
you
would
know
better
than
me,
I'm
in
the
water
treatment
industry,
but
it's
a
little
bit
different
when
you
put
a
new
liner
in
a
pool,
I'm
guessing.
That
would
be
a
time
when
you
would
change
main
drains
and
main
drink
covers,
and
all
that
kind
of
thing,
maybe
it's
part
of
whenever
you
do
that
type
of
big
maintenance
new
liners
new.
Would
that
be
at
the
time
that
they'd
be
required
to
update
it?
You
know
it
could
be.
H
I
don't
think
we
can
enforce
every
pool
in
our
state
to
upgrade
and
and
enforce
it.
It's
just
it'll
get
it'll
get
lost
in
the
wash
and
and
therefore
will
be
watered
down
and
won't
be
won't
have
the
effects
you
want,
but
maybe
if,
if
it's
part
of
an
upgrade
to
your
pool,
you
have
to
upgrade
to
the
modern
standards.
Just
a
thought.
A
Thank
you
representative.
We
do
have
two
quick
questions.
I'm
hoping
they're,
quick,
representative
hart.
You
got
a
bunch
of
firefighters
out
there,
looking
at
you
so
make
it.
D
Quick,
it
is
quick
in
your
in
your
bill
draft
you,
subsection,
five
or
no
six
portable
swimming
pool
shall
be
emptied
after
each
use.
D
Just
a
thought,
as
I
was
reading
this
some
of
the
new
intex
brand
swimming
pools
like
at
walmart
and
places
like
that
that
sell
they're
they're
bigger
than
what
we
would
consider
a
kiddie
pool,
I'm
wondering
if
you
might
want
to
maybe
put
a
gallon
rating
on
that
to
some
way,
because
you
know
some
of
the
the
bigger
intex
pools,
though,
holds
a
couple
hundred
gallons
of
water.
D
L
L
That
will
use
wading
pools
for
dogs
and
they
they
get
a
lot
of
bacteria,
their
their
infestations
of
mosquitoes
and
their
health
hazard.
So
part
of
that,
we
did
try
to
think
widely
on
this
of
other
aspects
that
this
might
help
and-
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons,
but
we
you
know
they
they
do
have
the
the
covers
and,
and
they
do
yeah.
D
And
I'm
supportive,
I
mean
as
a
pool
owner.
I
think
this
is
very
needed.
I
mean
that
when
I
put
my
swimming
pool
in
that
was
my
biggest
concern,
because
I
had
a
lot
of
kids
that
lived
on
my
street.
I
actually
put
two
fences.
I
got,
I
put
a
five
foot
fence
around
my
house
or
my
backyard
and
then
a
four
foot
fence
around
the
pool
itself,
so
I
think
it's
very
needed,
so
I'm
very
supportive
just
thinking
out
loud
to
make
it
better.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
try
to
be
as
quick
as
possible
here,
representative
bridges.
I
appreciate
your
bill
very
much,
my
son,
fortunately
for
us
when
he
was
a
toddler,
it
was
his
grandmother's
pool
and
had
his
uncle
not
been
walking
by
and
seen
him
underwater
with
his
eyes
open,
looking
up
and
his
hands
up,
he
would
have
drowned
that
day.
B
B
As
far
as
pool
notification
cover
all
the
pools,
based
on
what
representative
du
plessis
said,
I
think
this
when
you
try
to
get
this
word
out,
because
certainly
people
don't
follow
us
up
here,
like
we
think
they
do
right.
There
has
to
be
some
kind
of
notification
process
to
get
this
out
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
somewhere
in
the
bill
who's
responsible
for
that
and
how
they
go
about
getting
the
notification
to
pool
owners
and
that's
my
comment.
Thank
you.
L
I
appreciate
that
comment
senator
wilson
and
I
am
making
notes
because
that's
why
I
wanted
to
bring
a
bill
draft
rather
than
a
pre-file
bill
to
this
committee,
to
take
your
suggestions
and
and
listen
to
them
the
120
days
it
is.
It
is
questionable.
I
think
the
big
thing
is
for
new
installation
on
in-ground
pools
or
they're
building
a
deck
or
something
to
give
some
kind
of
variance,
and
I
have
talked
to
some
contractors
and
stuff-
and
they
say
usually
120
days-
should
be
sufficient
to
give
them
to
do
that.
L
We've
toyed
with
already
to
give
proper
notification
and
then
another
thing
that
we
we've
looked
at
putting
in
these
bills
to
acquire
all
all
pool
sales
retailers
to
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
to
give
notices
to
pool
owners
when,
when
they're
buying
parts
or
something
I
I
just
my
concern,
is
I
don't
want
to
be
overburdening
with
this
law
so
that
people,
if
I
didn't,
want
it
because
these
young
lives,
I'm
I'm
I'm
willing
to
be
flexible,
because
if
we
can
just
as
I
said
before,
if
we
can
save
one
life,
it's
worth
it
and
we
got
to
eat
this
elephant.
L
One
bite
at
a
time
is
what
I
hear
a
lot
of
the
the
different
legislators
say.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
come.
Full
bore
with
beryl's
blazing
to
be
honest
with
you
and
try
to
at
least
get
a
simple
law
into
effect
that
we
can
look
at
and
then
over
time
readjust
and
everything
as
as
sessions
come
forward.
But
I
appreciate
your
input
and
I
take
it
in
under
advisement
and
look
into
it.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
we're
out
of
questions.
We
do
appreciate
you
being
here
and
starting
the
discussion.
Anyone
still
have
any
questions
for
them.
We
all
know
how
to
get
in
touch
with
senator
bridges.
There,
representative
bridges,
sorry
about
that,
and
we
do
want
to
thank
carrie
and
brian.
Thank
you
all
for
both
being
here
we're
so
sorry
for
your
loss
and
a
lot
of
us
have
kids
and
grandkids,
and-
and
we
can
imagine
so
you're
in
our
prayers.
A
All
right
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
next
topic.
We
sorry
to
keep
y'all
waiting
and
I
feel
all
these
firefighters
we're
really
keeping
waiting,
but
hopefully,
y'all
can
bear
with
us
for
one
more
bill,
we're
gonna,
discuss
and
representative
josh
bray.
If
you
want
to
take
the
stand,
if
you
have
any
guests
out
there,
I
don't
you're,
just
you
you're
soloing
it.
So
all
right.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
I'm
here
today
to
talk
about
br
171,
which
is
a
second
amendment
protection
bill
and
what
br
171
does
is.
It
prohibits
the
enforcement
of
a
federal
ban
or
regulation
on
firearms
and
declaring
an
emergency
we've
seen
over
the
past
few
months,
some
rhetoric
coming
from
washington
that
has
learned
alarmed
several
of
my
constituents
outside
of
unemployment
issues.
F
This
is
probably
the
thing
that
I
get
the
the
most
emails
about,
but
you
know,
quotes
from
the
president
like
no
amendment
to
the
constitution
is
absolute
or
if
you
want
or
think
you
need
to
have
weapons
to
take
on
the
government,
you
need
f-15s
and
maybe
some
nuclear
weapons
that
has
caused
a
great
concern
throughout
the
the
commonwealth.
F
F
113
out
of
120
of
our
counties
have
passed
resolutions
very
similar
to
this,
and
what
this
does
is
it
prohibits
taxpayer
money
from
going
towards
the
enforcement
of
regulations,
bans
weapons,
bans
accessory
bans
after
january
1
2021.
So
this
would
be
retroactive.
F
We
have
a
duty
to
uphold
the
constitution
and
to
me
the
second
amendment
is
pretty
clear:
the
right
of
the
people
to
keep
and
bear
arms
shall
not
be
infringed,
and
what
this
bill
does
is.
It
would
put
kentucky
in
with
the
17
other
states
that
have
passed
similar
measures.
F
L
A
P
B
Bill
has
had
has
obviously
has
language
in
it.
That
says,
if
any
part
of
it
is
struck
down,
the
rest
of
the
bill
still
remains,
and
that
is
usually
language
that
we
are
have
some
expect
expectation
of
there
being
a
legal
battle.
So
I
think
the
legal
questions
that
have
come
up
with
these
kinds
of
bills
around
the
state
has
to
do
with
federalism
or
where
federal
law
preempts
state
law,
which
is
in
the
constitution
prior
to
the
amendments.
F
Absolutely
so
in
the
supreme
court
made
a
decision
in
prince
versus
the
united
states
that
affirmed
the
state's
government's
rights
to
not
implement
federal
policy
so
kind
of.
F
If
you
look
at
what's
happening
with
marijuana
regulations
across
the
country,
you
know,
marijuana
is
still
a
federally
controlled
substance,
but
states
across
the
country
have
decided
to
not
prosecute
those
charges,
which
is
why
we
see
recreational
medical,
marijuana
and
medical
marijuana.
So
this
follows
under
that
same
legal
concept.
F
B
A
D
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
all
right.
Our
last
topic
to
the
day
today
is
our
volunteer
firefight
fighter
recruitment,
and
I
will
ask
representative,
mccool
and
representative
ashley
tech
at
lafferty
to
come
in.
You
have
a
bunch
of
guests.
We
do
not
mind
if
they
want
to
come
up
and
introduce
themselves
get
so
it's,
but
we'll
we'll
leave
it.
In
your
also
hand
there,
however,
you
want
to
handle
this.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
What
we'd
like
to
do
if
we
can
I'll
just
have
brief
comments
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
representative
tackett
and
then
we'll
have
some
people
come
up
and
talk
to
you
about
the
volunteer?
Is
that
okay
and
then
we'll
finish
out
representing
tech?
Myself
will
finish
up
that.
J
First
of
all,
thank
you
again
for
this
opportunity,
and
may
I
ask
who
are
who
are
getting
some
feedback
on
this
thing
or
something
who
are
the
volunteer?
Firefighters?
There
are
people
in
our
community
who
are
dedicated
to
our
community.
There
are
teachers,
there
are
business
owners,
they're
employees,
of
all
walks
of
life.
A
K
Well,
I
want
to
begin
by
sincerely
thanking
both
of
our
chairmen
and
representative
bobby
mccool
for
being
for
their
willingness
to
bring
this
very
important
topic
before
other
members
of
the
general
assembly
in
rural
kentucky.
We
are
very
dependent
upon
our
volunteer
firefighters.
K
We
rely
upon
our
volunteers
to
help
manage
the
safety
and
the
health
of
our
community
through
both
good
times
and
bad
times.
In
addition
to
fire
safety,
they
serve
our
rural
communities.
In
so
many
ways
we
call
upon
them
to
keep
our
homeowners
insurance,
affordable,
our
community
events,
safe
for
emergency
rescue
situations
and
for
emergency
medical
treatment
with
all
the
duties
that
we
ask
of
our
community
members
to
volunteer.
K
K
As
an
attempt
to
address
this
problem,
the
past
few
sessions,
I've
actually
filed
a
bill
for
a
tax
credit,
a
tax
incentive
for
one
thousand
dollars
for
active,
volunteer
firefighters
who
have
been
certified
by
the
state
and
who
have
completed
their
annual
training
each
year
last
year,
h.b
61
had
nearly
20
co-sponsors
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone
in
this
room
who
signed
on
as
a
co-sponsor,
because
many
of
you
are
here
today
and
I
appreciate
and-
and
we
all
appreciate
that
support
today,
we
have
brought
quite
a
few
distinguished
guests.
K
I
do
know
that
we're
tight
on
time,
so
I'm
trying
my
best
to
keep
this
brief,
because
I'd
really
like
for
you
to
hear
their
stories
today.
So
at
this
time
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over,
so
they
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
problems
and
and
maybe
their
solutions
as
to
how
we
can
address
their
recruitment
and
retainment
issues
in
our
rural
areas.
Thank
you.
A
If
any
of
you
all
want
to
come
on
up
and
and
please
I
know
this
sounds
funny,
but
when
you
sit
down
or
stand
up
or
talk
or
anything,
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
If
you
would.
P
Well,
I
guess
I'll
start
my
name's
brian
jefferson.
I
appreciate
the
chairman
of
the
committee
for
hearing
us
today.
I'm
deputy
chief
of
wr
castle
fire
and
rescue
we're
an
all-volunteer
department
located
in
johnson
county,
and
I
would
say
that
you
know
representative
tackett
is
is
on
the
mark.
We
are
really
facing
staffing
struggles.
We
have
problems
as
the
economy
has
struggled,
especially
in
eastern
kentucky.
P
People
are
moving
away
to
work.
We
have
people
working
away
on
pipelines,
other
types
of
work
we've
lost
a
number
of
volunteers
to
that
family
commitments,
people
working,
multiple
jobs
and
all
those
things
continue
to
build
and
create
pressure
on
us
as
our
staffing
gets
thinner
and
thinner,
and
as
we
have
to
do
more
and
more
this
spring,
we
really
went
through
the
gauntlet.
As
many
of
you
all
know,
as
eastern
kentucky
experience,
we
went
from
an
ice
storm
to
flash
flooding
and
then
my
department
in
particular.
We
had
a
fatal
structure
fire
immediately.
P
After
all
that-
and
it
just
felt
like
we-
we
were
on
the
go
all
the
time,
but
we
don't
complain.
That's
why
that's
what
we
signed
up
for
it's?
What
we've
trained
for,
but
we
do
face
a
lot
of
challenges
to
keep
personnel.
When
that
call
volume
continues
to
go
up.
We
run
140
to
170
calls
in
a
typical
year.
It's
a
fully
volunteered
department,
the
training
we
we
try
to
meet
every
single
week.
P
P
A
very
highly
competitive
grant
that
we
were
able
to
get
so
we
we
continue
to
see
fewer
options
for
funding
the
department
which
forces
us
to
do
more
to
try
to
raise
money
in
other
ways,
and
then
we
see
more
strain
on
our
personnel
for
the
demands
that
are
placed
on
them
in
their
personal
lives,
just
to
have
time
to
devote
to
the
fire
department
in
terms
of
bringing
in
personnel.
Obviously
the
money
would
be
a
big
thing.
P
If
we
had
better
funding,
we
would
have
that
requirement
that
burden
shifted
off
those
volunteers
and
potential
volunteers,
but
I
think
anything
we
look
at
would
be
helpful
at
every
level
of
the
age.
I
know
I
started
in
the
fire
service
september.
16Th
will
be
30
years.
I
was
17
years
old
thought
it
was
the
coolest
thing
ever
and
because
I
started
out
at
that
age,
I
was
able
to
get
certified,
become
an
instructor,
become
an
emergency
medical
technician
to
get
all
that
behind
me
before.
P
I
had
family
commitments,
but
so
we
need
things
to
draw
in
people
at
that
level
because
it
has
made
me
a
firefighter
for
life,
but
we
also
draw
in
people
at
other
ages.
So
we
need
to
look
at
things
that
we
can
do
at
every
age
and
across
every
part
of
the
demographic
spectrum,
help
us
to
recruit
personnel.
A
M
M
M
Just
to
give
you
some
numbers.
I
talked
to
the
fire
commission.
Yesterday
when
I
started
in
2003,
we
had
17
000
volunteers,
a
total
of
23
000
firefighters
in
the
state.
As
of
yesterday,
there's
about
12
000
volunteers
in
the
state
and
four
to
five
about
4
500
paid
career,
firefighters
of
that
12
000.
A
lot
of
those
are
career,
firefighters,
who
are
available
on
the
days
away
from
the
the
regular
fire
department.
M
The
some
some
of
the
enhancements-
I
think
that
we've
talked
about
at
the
kfa
is-
is
that
many
of
many
of
the
departments
don't
have
any
resources
for
doing
any
marketing
or
any
any
recruitment
just
because
of
the
amount
of
money
that
they
they
have
a
lot
of
departments.
M
If
we
we
could
build
in
some
incentives,
such
as
the
tax
credit
you
know,
and
when
we
talk
about
tax
credit,
it
you,
if
you
only
have
12
000-
and
we
were
talking
representative-
and
I
were
talking
yesterday-
only
only
about
78
100
of
those
12
000
are
actually
certified
because
it
takes
a
couple
years
for
those
people
to
get
certified
and
then
and
then
of
that
they
they
have
to
get
only.
They
have
to
get
20
hours
of
additional
training
each
year.
M
That's
that's
a
requirement
by
krs
and
and
the
the
kentucky
fire
commission
sfrt
staff
they
trained
last
year
they
trained
85
percent
of
the
fire
department,
so
we're
putting
the
training
out
there.
It's
just
trying
to
get
the
people
to
make
sure
we
attend,
and
I
think
one
of
the
other
important
things
is
looking
at
the
the
the
funding
that's
going
towards
recruitment
and
retention
across
the
whole
state.
J
Well,
I'm
greg
motley,
I'm
a
sheriff
in
morgan
county.
We
representative,
cool,
had
spoke,
and
I've
spoken
it
numerous
times
about
what
we
do
and
how
we
do
it
every
day
and
to
be
quite
honest,
we
couldn't
do
our
job
on
a
daily
basis.
Without
our
volunteer
firemen,
we
have
six
fire
departments,
separate
fire
departments
within
our
county,
it's
about
380
square
mile
county.
J
You
know
I
have
a
very
small
staff
of
folks
at
any
given
time,
one
or
two
deputies
on
duty.
Generally,
you
know,
I'm
not
just
an
administrator,
I'm
out
working
wrecks,
I'm
out
at
fire.
Fire
calls
and
things
like
that,
and-
and-
and
I
see
these
folks-
you
know-
even
though
my
guys
may
not
make
a
lot
of
money,
but
we
are
paying
them.
But
I
see
these
folks
out
there
every
day,
day
and
night,
answering
medical
calls
to
help
the
ambulance.
J
People
load
up
people
taking
their
aeds
that
they've
that
local
departments
have
raised
money
to
to
have
to
get
to
a
call
quicker
ahead
of
the
ambulance,
because
in
many
cases
maybe
25
30
minutes
for
us
to
get
an
ambulance
to
two
folks.
So
these
volunteers
are
running
to
the
firehouse
grabbing
aed's
getting
out
there
and
all
these
folks
are
all
they
all
have
jobs
and
and
so
they're
out
there
all
night
and
then
they're
up
going
the
next
day
to
the
school
to
be
a
teacher
or
at
the
prison
to
work
or
wherever.
J
So
I
my
and
I
know
as
he
was
saying
they
get
about
11
000
a
year,
and
then
I
think
our
county
funds,
their
their
insurance
for
their
trucks
and
beyond
that
everything
else
is
done
through
fundraising,
and
I
know
personally,
we,
my
wife
and
I
support
all
of
our
local
fire
departments
and
have
long
before
I
become
sheriff,
because
we've
never
had
the
opportunity
to
live
anywhere
where
there
was
a
tax
base
or
anything
to
to
support
firefighters.
It's
always
been.
We've
always
lived
in
an
area
where
there
were
rural
volunteer
firefighters.
J
We
need
these
folks
and
we
we're
very
supportive
of
any
anything
that
we
can
do
to
help
recruit
people
to
do
it,
keep
them
trained,
because
I
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tedious
job
for
those
guys
to
not
only
raise
money
but
then
to
to
try
to
have
all
their
training
and
all
that
so
again.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you.
A
A
You
do
and
I
wanted
to
give
them
ample
time
to
speak
or
so
and-
and
I
think
we
do
have
one
or
two
questions
here
so
so
please
introduce
yourself
and.
Q
Q
If
we
have
a
fire
there's
many
of
them
there's
we
have
paid
personnel
festivals.
You
know
the
the
general
was
talking
about
working
festivals,
helping
with
trafficking
stuff.
They
help
us
take
care
of
that
stuff.
They
help
our
small
city,
keep
moving
and
that's
very
important
to
us,
but
I
also
can
speak
to
you
as
a
police
officer.
Just
like
sheriff
motley
was
when
I
was
a
young
trooper,
and
this
is
back
in
the
mid
80s.
Q
Q
As
representative
feugen
and
representative
blanken
testified
when
we
were
working
in
the
mid
to
late
80s,
there
was
enough
troopers
to
go
around,
so
we
didn't
have
help,
but
the
volunteer
firemen
were
there.
They
were
there
on
accident
scenes.
They
were
there
when
we
had
things
going
on
and
they're
invaluable
to
police
officers
in
rural
areas,
and
I
understand
that
some
of
the
people
from
the
larger
cities
and
stuff
don't
really
understand
the
volunteer
program.
But
the
volunteer
program
is
so
valuable
to
all
the
rural
areas
out.
There.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
gentlemen
and
ladies,
it
is.
It
is
very
important
and-
and
we
do
have
a
question
I
do
want
to
say
that,
although
we
are
reviewing
this
and
looking
at
this
in
this
committee,
this
will
be
something
that
will
have
to
probably
go
through
a
r.
I
mean
doing
the
quick
figures.
7
800
certified
members
would
be
at
a
cost
of
7.8
million
and,
of
course,
on
up
to
17
million
or
so
so.
A
This
is
something
that
I
highly
recommend
talk
to
senator
mcdaniel
on
the
other
side
and
then
also
talk
to
center,
our
representative
petry
and,
let's
see
if
we
can
get
it
heard
in
a
r
this
year.
Unfortunately,
this
is
about
as
far
as
we
can
go
in
this
committee,
but
let's
go
ahead
and
keep
discussion
going
and
brother.
If
you
get.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I've
got
a
couple
questions
and
before
I
ask
the
question
to
what
mayor
stapleton
trooper
stapleton
said,
volunteer
firemen
helped
me
out.
Every
day
when
I
was
on
the
road.
As
a
trooper
directing
traffic
they'd
go
take
care
of
the
people
first
get
them
sent
to
the
hospital,
then
they
turned
into
traffic
police
officers.
I
mean
they
really
helped
us
every
day
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work.
The
mountain,
the
mountain
firefighters
associations,
I
think,
is
having
their
training
this
weekend
in
hazard
at
hctc.
D
So
I
got
a
question
as
far
as-
and
I
know
that
that
the
funding
for
the
volunteer
fire
departments
is
basically
whatever
they
can
raise.
So
I
got
a
question:
do
do
paid
volunteer
fire
departments
get
a
fee
from
insurance
companies.
Let's
say
if
a
house
catches
on
fire,
they
got
fire
insurance
with
farm
bureau.
Q
D
D
All
fire
departments
volunteer
are
paid
when
they
respond
to
a
call
they
can
bill
the
insurance
company
or
that
in
some
cases
they
will
bill
the
individual
that
just
lost
their
house.
Is
there
a
set
fee
for
the
for
the
insurance
companies
that
they
have
to
pay,
or
is
it
most
of
that
is
set
by
the
local
communities?
D
Okay,
I
do
know,
there's
a
big
need
for
more
volunteers,
especially
in
the
mountain
area,
because
I
think
that
we've
got
several
in
my
county
in
my
district
that
are
serving
on
three
different
fire
departments
just
so
they
can
keep
their
their
numbers
up
where
they're
supposed
to
be
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
help
to
help
incentivize
them
to
be
part
of
that
family
volunteer
firemen.
I'm
for
that-
and
I
support
I
appreciate
representative
mccool
and
tacklert
for
you
bringing
this
to
us.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
sir.
We
do
have
a
another
question
by
senator
mills.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
you
stole
my
question
because
I
was
going
to
ask:
doesn't
shouldn't
this:
have
to
go
through
a
and
r,
but
one
I'm
very
supportive
of
this
out
in
western
kentucky.
E
Our
volunteer
departments
are
drying
up
just
like
through
the
whole
state
and
but
just
maybe
a
comment
if
it
does
go
through
nir
and
the
chairman
already
talked
about
the
dollar
figure
that
we
might
be
looking
at,
maybe
setting
an
annual
amount
on
it
say
you
know
a
million
dollar
payout
per
year
limit
those
credits,
something
to
get
this
stair
stepped
in
to
where
it's
affordable
for
us,
and
maybe
even
targeting
areas
that
are,
you
know,
maybe
less.
E
You
know
less
volunteers
than
other
areas
for
certain
years,
just
things
like
that
to
help
it
get
going,
but
I
am
supportive
of
the
idea
and
it's
it's
needed
out
there.
So
thank
you.
A
L
E
Counties
the
volunteer
fire
departments
are
a
very,
very
valuable
part
of
our
communities
and
I'm
very
much
aware
of
their
financial
problems.
I've
been
to
hotel
and
how
many,
in
the
last
20
years,
fish
fries,
barbecue,
dinners,
fish,
chicken,
dinners
so
forth
as
they
try
to
to
raise
the
funds
they
need.
I'm
also
aware
it's
very
difficult,
particularly
now
with
covet
19
to
recruit
new
members
because
of
their
concerns
about
that
and
other
concerns.
E
The
bill
is
somewhat
difficult
because
of
the
financial
part.
I
have
supported
similar
bills
like
this
during
the
past
19
20
years.
I
will
be
supporting
this
one.
I
think
it's
very
valuable
and
I
don't
know
how
my
counties
would
function
without
their
volunteer
fire
departments.
They
are
the
major
part
of
several
rural.
E
In
my
district,
I
would
like
to
thank
representatives
mccool
and
attack
lafferty
for
sponsoring
this
you'll
have
my
support
in
the
senate
and
let's
hope,
this
time.
Maybe
we
can
get
this
done
and
that's
my
remarks.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Co-Chair.
A
Is
there
anyone
else?
Has
any
other
questions,
y'all
good?
Thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
out
here
and
coming
and
spending
quite
a
bit
of
the
day
with
us,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
y'all
have
a
long
way
to
travel
and,
and
you
all
stay
safe
on
the
way
home
there.
So.
K
Yes,
ma'am,
may
I
ask
we
did
have
a
lot
of
folks
drive
a
very
long
way
and
and
a
lot
of
people
who
you
know
they.
They
render
a
lot
of
very
important
services
to
our
community,
and
I
would
really
like-
and
I
know
representative
mccool
would
as
well.
If
you
would,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
that
we
let
them
come
up
and
introduce.
A
Themselves,
that's
why
I
was
opening
the
mic
too.
Please
do
if
all
would
like
to
come
up,
we've
heard
from
four
or
five,
but
please
please
come
up
if
you
didn't
get
a
chance
to
speak
and
at
least
introduce
yourself.
So
we
know
you.
B
There
we
go
battalion
chief
mitch
case
from
city.
B
C
L
A
B
A
Well,
we
right
at
12
o'clock
lunch
time,
co-chair
embry.
Is
there
anything
you
need
to
say
or
or
highlight
the
next
meeting
or
so
or
next.
E
Meeting
is
september
22nd,
so
I'll
be
meeting
at
10.
Okay
you'll
be
in
this
room,
so
we
have
we're
working
on
a
very
interesting
agenda.
So
I
urge
everyone
to
be
present.