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A
I'd
like
to
welcome
all
of
you
to
the
third
meeting
of
the
interim
joint
committee
on
transportation
for
the
2023
interim
before
we
recall
row,
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
to
silence
our
cell
phones,
including
me
also,
the
meeting
materials
are,
are
currently
available
on
Transportation
committee
page
at
the
lrc
website.
I
assume
the
Wi-Fi
is
working
today.
A
So
with
that
said,
Pam
clerk.
Would
you
please
call
Bro.
A
C
B
F
H
C
I
J
A
We
do
have
a
quorum
with
that
said,
I'd
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
July
18th
2023..
We
have
a
motion
and
second,
all
in
favor
signify
the
saint
I
any
opposed
the
motion
carries
today.
Are
we
do
have
representative
Wesley
would
like
to
has
an
introduction.
He
would
like
to
make.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
I'd,
like
to
just
welcome
my
visitor
here
today,
she's
15
from
Powell
County
interested
in
politics,
her
name's
Kinsley
Kidd.
So
if
you
could
make
her
feel
welcome
today,
thank
you.
H
You
Mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
introduce
a
guest
here
with
me
today.
This
is
my
grandson
Gavin
Hale
that
has
came
down
to
be
with
us
today
and
I
wanted
him
to
answer
the
roll
call,
but
he
chickened
out
at
the
last
minute
there
he
said
you
answer
it
Papa,
oh
you
answered
so
glad
to
have
Gavin
with
me
today.
A
A
Introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
K
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
my
co-pilot
here,
I'm
David
McFadden,
president
of
Eastern,
Kentucky
University.
My
co-pilot
here
is
Dennis
Senate.
He
is
the
director
of
eku's
Aviation
program.
Amazingly
he's
going
to
let
me
fly
today,
but
that
is
not
typically
how
it
works
when
when
we
are
together-
but
it
is
great
to
be
here
with
this
esteemed
committee
and
especially
with
the
the
two
outstanding
distinguished
guests
that
we've
got
here
today
to
talk
about
Kentucky's,
only
four-year
Aviation
program
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
how
we're
supporting
the
Commonwealth
and
the
Commonwealth
success.
K
K
K
As
major
drivers
of
Kentucky's
economy
today,
you
can
see
the
the
evolution
of
this
program
as
we
started
to
offer
courses
as
we
moved
into
offering
our
our
FAA
141
and
and
ultimately,
where
we
find
ourselves
today,
as
Kentucky's,
only
four-year
program
with
over
425
students
enrolled
in
our
flight
program
with
nearly
40
aircraft
stationed
at
the
Central
Kentucky
Regional
Airport.
And
if
you
are
in
that
flight
pattern,
we
are
flying
all
day
every
day,
day
and
night.
So
it
is
an
exciting
program.
I
will
tell
a
funny
story.
K
My
my
first
my
first
day
on
the
job
as
president.
It
was
about
six
o'clock.
I
had
a
phone
call,
they
said
Mr
President
I
was
not
accustomed
to
hearing
that.
Yet
we
have
a
bit
of
of
a
situation.
I
said
yeah.
What's
the
situation,
they
said.
Well,
we
have
a
Cessna
172
R.
Do
you
know
what
the
r
stands
for?
I
said:
I
do
not.
They
said
it
means
retractable.
It
means
retractable
landing
gear.
K
The
retractable
landing
gear
is
not
working,
so
we
are
going
to
land
this
aircraft
without
any
land
here
is
it
should
I
come.
They
said.
No,
absolutely
not
so
anyway,
they
landed
that
aircraft,
the
flight
instructor
and
the
student
with
absolutely
no
issue,
maybe
just
a
little
bit
of
paint
that
needed
to
be
to
replace
and
back
up
in
the
air.
We
work
quickly.
So
a
great
program,
great
students
and
most
assuredly
great
flight
instructors
go
ahead.
Dennis
quick
snapshot
on
Aviation
rolling
back
to
1992.
K
K
I
will
say
that,
while
we
are
not
capped
at
enrollment
that
we
don't,
we
don't
necessarily
we're
not
promoting
this
program
as
much
as
we
could,
because
candidly,
there
is
some
investment
that
we
need
in
this
program
in
order
to
be
able
to
fulfill
the
students,
expectations
to
meet
the
faa's
requirements
and,
most
importantly,
make
sure
that
we're
giving
the
experience
that
we
want
to
through
this
program,
but,
as
you
can
see,
with
over
425
students
slated
to
be
with
us.
K
This
fall
the
largest
class
of
students
ever
kind
of
kind
of
talking
about
what
differentiates
Us
in
the
marketplace.
I
think
if
you
look
around
we're
the
only
School
in
Kentucky
that
does
this,
but
really,
if
you
kind
of
draw
that
Circle
we're
in
a
space
where
we
can
own
this,
this
flat
experience
and
what
you'll
see
here
is
that
comparing
us
with
Ohio
State,
University,
Middle,
Tennessee,
University
and
Auburn
University,
all
great
institutions.
K
We
are
the
most
affordable
option
to
get
your
four
to
get
your
four-year
degree,
plus
all
of
your
requirements
for
the
for
the
141..
We
have
a
99
higher
rate,
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
the
one
percent
just
opted
not
to
work
in
in
the
flat
area,
because
I
promise
you
employers
are
lined
up
to
hire
those
students
long
before
they've
graduated
and,
in
fact,
once
they
finish
certain
parts
of
their
required
criteria.
K
Many
of
them
are
being
recruited
at
that
point
in
time
to
come
and
get
in
there
and
get
the
rest
of
those
hours
completed.
We
do
have
31
aircraft
on
the
ground.
We
are
currently
trying
to
acquire
aircraft.
We
fly
I
exclusively
Cessna
172s,
along
with
two
Piper
Seminoles
for
multi-engine
training.
We
are
continuing
to
look
for
expansion,
but
we
we're
really
trying
to
stay
in
that
vein
of
staying
with
the
with
the
Cessna
training,
aircraft
and
I.
Think
Dennis
could
speak
to
the
reliability
and
the
the
viability
of
using
that
aircraft.
K
I
will
say
the
pandemic
has
had
an
impact
on
this
industry,
the
availability
of
parts
and
maintenance,
just
the
availability
of
planes.
It
did
create
a
kind
of
a
market
squeeze,
so
we're
trying
to
still
kind
of
dig
our
way
out
of
of
that,
as
it
related
to
the
availability
of
those
necessary
Parts
and
Equipment
to
do
the
maintenance
on
those
Central
Kentucky,
Regional
Airport.
K
We
are
proud
that
this
body
approved
two
years
ago
an
exception
that
there
would
be
the
opportunity
to
have
a
municipal
airport
that
could
have
a
full
voting
member
that
included
a
public
Regional
institution.
So
now
we
are
the
fourth
owner
and
operator
for
Central
Kentucky
Regional
Airport,
with
the
city
of
Richmond
from
the
city
of
Berea,
Madison
County.
It
is
a
great
partnership
and
one
that
we're
very
proud
of,
and
one
that
works
really
well
for
Kentucky's
third
busiest
airport
behind
Louisville
and
CVG.
K
The
Central
Kentucky
Regional
Airport
is,
is
the
third
busiest
airport
in
Kentucky.
You
can
see
not
just
enrollment
grew,
but
flight
hours
grew
and
that's
the
important
part.
When
you
talk
about
these
programs,
the
first
question
parents
and
Stu
and
student-
and
these
are
an
informed
group
of
of
consumers.
The
parents
and
students
who
are
looking
for
a
flight
program
they
want
to
know
am
I
going
to
fly,
am
I
going
to
fly
in
year.
K
One
am
I
going
to
fly
as
a
freshman,
and
so
you
can
see
there
that
we
are
always
looking
for
good
weather.
It
is
good.
You
know
the
wind's
been
a
little
challenging
this
summer,
but
we
are
flying
again
all
day
every
day,
and
then
we
have
students
from
25
States
who
have
chosen
this
program.
This
is
a
major
economic
driver
for
our
state.
K
It
brings
students
from
all
over
the
United
States,
but
most
of
them
fall
in
love
with
the
Bluegrass,
while,
while
they're
here
and
so
there's
a
great
opportunity
to
keep
them
and
then,
of
course,
our
Aviation
instructors.
They
are
the
the
lifeblood
of
this
program
being
successful
and
being
safe,
real
quick
snapshot
of
the
competition,
this
kind
of
gets
into
something
that
I
wanted
to
touch.
This
group,
you
can
see
from
Ohio
State
to
Kent
State
to
Auburn
to
Middle
Tennessee.
K
There
has
been
significant
investment
in
the
aviation
programs
at
the
public
schools
in
our
competing
states.
You
can
see
the
the
types
of
facilities
that
they
have
the
investment
they've
made.
Several
of
these
are
university-owned
or
state-owned
through
the
university
airports.
Some
are
partnership.
Agreements
like
we
have
with
Central
Kentucky
Regional
Airport,
but
you
can
see
that
the
competition
is
fierce
and,
as
you
look
at
their
facilities,
that
they
are
very
competitive
and
very
attractive
in
that
way,
go
ahead
so
kind
of
what
do
we
need
here?
K
Currently,
our
training
space
just
does
not
reflect
the
quality
and
the
professionalism
of
our
program.
If
you've
ever
visited
a
Central,
Kentucky,
Regional
Airport,
the
EKU
Aviation
program,
taking
a
discovery
flight
come
to
our
Aviation
day.
If
you
come
down
and
join
us
for
a
football
game,
the
the
aviation
department
is
always
running
those
flights.
Those
days
if
the
weather
will
permit
super
professional
staff
outstanding
students
in
a
program,
but
candidly
our
space
does
not
does
not
reflect
that.
I.
K
Think
that
as
we're
recruiting
students
that
they
always
want
to
see
where
the
planes,
where
am
I
going
to
fly
from
and-
and
it
is
a
challenge
for
us
to
get
over
as
we
look
at
compliance
with
the
FAA,
this
is
the
one
that
is
the
that.
That
worries
me
the
most,
and
that
is
our
ability
to
do.
K
The
141
is
contingent
upon
meeting
the
faa's
requirements
and
currently
we
are
really
pushed
to
the
Max
on
the
facilities
that
we
have
to
provide
the
appropriate
space
for
briefing
debriefing
student
learning
engagements
and
those
that
need
to
be
conducted
in
a
private,
if
not
semi-private
environment.
To
do
that
so
kind
of
taking
a
look
at
where
we're
at
we
have
in
good
Eastern
Kentucky
fashion,
representative
McCool,
we've
got
very
creative,
so
we
have
double
wides.
K
We
have
triple
wides
and
we
have
used
some
FEMA
trailers
and
done
some
things
working
with
our
partners
at
the
at
the
Bluegrass
Army
Depot,
to
try
to
accommodate
the
space
footprint
that
we're
on.
But
we
have
really
outgrown
the
the
opportunity
that
we're
in
and
so
we're
very
grateful
that
Hospital
192
provided
kind
of
the
first
step
to
to
really
start
to
address
some
of
our
issues,
and
that
was
half
of
those
funds
were
earmarked
for
for
aircraft.
K
We
had
been
leasing
aircraft
for
a
significant
amount
of
time
that
was
creating
one,
a
major
financial
burden
to
a
real
supply
chain
issue
with
getting
aircraft
so
owning.
The
aircraft
has
really
given
us
control
of
our
future
in
that
way,
and
the
balance
of
that
money
which
we
have
used-
and
this
was
obviously
pre-pandemic
when
we
were
scoring
this
out-
was
geared
toward
doing
site,
prep
and
Architectural
planning
for
really
a
large
scale.
Expansion
of
not
only
the
general
aviation
space
and
terminal
space,
but
also
for
the
for
the
flight
school
in
general.
K
So
from
a
facility
Improvement
standpoint,
we've
been
working
with
our
partner,
brandster
Carol
Architects,
and
we
have
laid
out
kind
of
a
vision
for
our
facility
improvements
and
a
flight
school
that
will
be
reflective
of
the
quality
and
the
size
of
the
program
that
we
want
to
run
here
and,
as
you'll
see,
we
will
be
building
a
full-sale
flight
school
on
the
south
side
of
the
Central
Kentucky
Regional
Airport.
We
would
be
adding
additional
apron
space
and
space
for
for
hanger,
storage
and
aircraft
storage
and
an
additional
maintenance
for
that.
K
But
it
will
allow
us
to
move
all
of
our
flight
simulators
and
all
of
our
instruction
to
a
single
site.
Currently,
students
are
driving
between
the
airport
and
campus
to
do
simulation
instruction
versus
their
actual
flight
time
and
I
would
say
that
looking
Across
the
Nation,
the
best
of
these
programs
really
roll
all
of
that
into
one
space
and
do
it
in
in
kind
of
a
One-Stop
shop.
K
A
I
guess
the
million
dollar
question
is,
is
we
know
you'll
make
a
budget
request
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
support
in
this
room
to
take
you
all
from
very
good
to
outstanding
and
so
Dollar
Wise
I
know
you
mentioned
25
million,
but
Dollar
Wise.
What
what
do
you
have
in
mind?
Yeah.
K
So
really,
this
is
purely
a
capital
investment.
This
is
not
buying
simulators,
it
is
not
buying.
It
is
not
paying
salaries.
This
is
purely
a
capital.
Investment
to
to
moving
dirt,
as
we
all
know
today,
is-
is
much
more
expensive
than
it
had
been
before,
but
really
that
would
get
us
for
a
full
One-Stop
shop
to.
Let
us
really
accommodate
a
student
body
of
in
excess
of
500
students
getting
us
the
appropriate
facilities
for
briefing
non-briefing
student
engagement,
space,
instructional
space
classroom
space.
K
There
will
be
some
Flex
in
there
where
the
the
general
aviation
Community
there
will
be
some
opportunities
to
to
intermingle,
but
I
will
say
in
visiting
Auburn
and
Ohio
State
and
some
of
our
other
competitors,
our
sister
institutions,
in
that
way
that
there's
a
clear
bifurcation
between
the
general
aviation
activities
are
going
on
in
an
airport
versus
the
Flight
Training,
that's
going
on
there
and
in
fact
that's
not
only
kind
of
what
the
commonplace
is,
but
I
think
it's
what
the
FAA
wants.
K
The
most
integration
is
making
sure
that
who's
taxing
who's
on
the
runway,
who's
going
in
and
out
when
they
need
to
go
in
and
out,
but
candidly
separating
just
the
aircraft
from
the
flight
school
from
the
general
aviation
Community
is,
is
something
that's
going
to
make
our
life
a
lot
easier
to
manage
in
in
the
situation
that
we're
in
and
reduce
any
of
those
mishaps
that
you
may
have
just
with
those
aircraft.
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very,
very
interesting
presentation.
You
said
you
have
a
99
higher
rate
and
I'm,
assuming
that's
in
the
chosen
profession.
Do
you
have
an
idea
of
what
your
average
starting
salaries
are
and
what
your
anticipated
income
that
56
000
I'm
assuming
is
for
a
four-year
program.
M
M
Ahead,
thank
you
for
the
question
ma'am
yeah.
Surprisingly,
so
our
students,
after
they
graduated
four-year
program,
they
become
a
CFI
they
have
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
to
get
to
that
thousand
hours
before
their
first
full
paying
job
at
a
regional
Airline
and
the
regional
airlines
are
starting
salaries,
probably
80
085
rapidly
on
the
first
year
and
then
within
a
two
or
three
year
period:
they're
pulling
six
figures
very
easy,
Regional
Airlines,
which
vast
majority
of
our
students,
pro-flight
students,
are
going
to
are
offering
signing
bonuses
at
our
career
day.
M
So
the
spring
of
our
graduating
senior
year.
We
have
a
career
day,
Regional
Airlines
come
and
it's
again
I
use
the
acronym
the
analogy
of
the
pro
football.
You
know
the
high
the
college
football
player,
that's
going
out,
they're,
getting
signing
bonuses
of
25,
30,
70
000,
just
to
sign
on
to
join
a
regional
Airline.
They
go
continue
flying
to
get
that
thousand
hours
and
then
off.
They
go
to
their
first
career,
paying
job
again.
Eighty
ninety
thousand
dollars
first
year
and
then
rapidly
above
six
six
figures
soon
thereafter,.
N
N
Lots
changed
I,
keep
seeing
these
great
expansions
and
changes
the
EKU
since
I
used
to
go
down
there
as
a
party
school,
but
I
owe
a
young
man
that
was
very
interested
in
becoming
a
pilot
started,
getting
logging
in
his
hours
here
ahead
and
he
was
looking
at
different
schools.
He
wound
up
going
to
SIU
so,
and
so
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
comparison
like
what
is
the
best
practices,
because
you
mentioned
trying
to
separate
the
aircraft
from
the
school
than
that
being
for
the
general
Community.
N
I
was
wondering
like
how
often
that's
actually
done
in
the
universities
that
do
these
type
of
programs
and
then
the
bigger
part
when
we're
looking
at
the
25
million
expansion.
I
know
that
having
traveled
I
got
one
getting
ready
to
go
to
college,
so
I'm,
looking
at
different
universities,
I
see
a
lot
where
they
have
employer
sponsored.
N
You
know
part
in
the
University,
whether
it's
they
give
because
they
have
a
huge
benefit
of
turning
out
500
students
into
their
area.
So
they
may
be
interested
in
you
know
a
three
or
four
million
dollar
gift
over
10
years
or
what
not
to
have
you
know
that
that
part
is
that
something
you're
also
looking
into
working
with.
K
Yeah,
so
you
know
I
guess
two-part
question
there.
You
know
as
far
as
the
kind
of
the
aircraft-
and
you
know,
obviously
your
staging
aircraft,
your
moving
aircraft
anytime,
you
have
inclement
weather,
hail
heavy
winds.
You
know
you're
moving
aircraft
from
tie
downs
outside
to
try
to
get
them
into
a
hangar.
K
If
you
try
to
commingle
that
with
the
general
aviation
space,
you
know
t-hangers
work
well,
if
they're
you
know
separate
in
that
way,
but
in
a
lot
of
cases
for
us
we're
loading
them
into
kind
of
more
of
a
an
open
and
kind
of
an
open
floor
plan
hanger
to
get
those
in
and
out
and
of
course
they
do
a
great
job
of
doing
that.
We
also
make
fly
some
aircraft
if
we
think
we're
gonna
have
really
inclement
weather,
that's
acute
to
our
region
to
other
locations.
K
So
I
do
think
that
that
separation
from
the
general
aviation
Community
to
your
training,
I
guess
I
would
kind
of
liken
it
to
you
know
the
driver's
training
experience
versus
you
know
kind
of
the
general
operating
public
and
so
I
think
that,
having
that
that
just
gives
some
more
controls,
it
gives
the
opportunity
to
teach
and
learn,
and
perhaps
there's
maybe
not
so
much
urgency
of
the
person
behind
you
who's
trying
to
taxi
out
who
says
I
really
need
to
get
out
of
here
and
get
going
particularly
corporate
traffic
when
we're
trying
to
you
know,
do
an
instructional
activity
with
a
student
so
that
helps
tremendously
in
that
way,
as
it
relates
to
kind
of
donor
engagement,
sponsorship
engagement,
you
know,
we've
had
some
of
those
conversations.
K
I
will
tell
you
and
I:
don't
want
to
speak
for
any
of
these
industry
Partners,
but
I
think
for
a
lot
of
those
who
are
hiring
those
students.
I
think
they
all
have
the
perception
that
that
they're
going
to
get
that
person
from
the
other
from
the
other
provider.
They
were
going
to
increase
our
signing
bonus
a
little
more
we're
going
to
offer
some
more
benefits.
We're
going
to
do
those
things
so
getting
them
to
look
down
into
kind
of
vertically
integrating
say.
K
Let's
start
at
the
beginning
and
let's
invest
in
the
programs
that
are
educating.
Students
has
really
been
a
tough
hurdle
to
get
over
without
there
being
deep
strings
attached
and
I
think
that
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
Dennis,
but
we
don't
want
to
say
we're
just
at
Delta
school
or
we're
just
a
United
score,
we're
just
an
American
school,
because
candidly,
a
lot
of
our
students
are
going
to
want
to
go
and
find
the
thing
that
fits
best
for
them
and
so
I
think.
K
A
no
strings
attached
notion
that
we're
going
to
produce
200
new
pilots
every
year
who
are
going
to
go
out
and
be
ready
to
go
into
the
workforce.
They're
trying
to
to
you
know
really
bridge
that
Gap
with
them
from
a
purely
philanthropic
standpoint
has
been
more
challenging
than
I
may
have
expect,
but
I
do
think
that
from
an
economic
output
and
an
economic
investment
standpoint
that
for
the
Commonwealth
to
have
one
flight
school
that
can
try
to
Source
this
Workforce
that
is
hopefully
going
to
continue
to
power.
K
A
strong,
Aerospace
and
Aviation
supply
chain,
Logistics
economy
in
our
state
I
think
it's
a
good
investment
by
the
taxpayer.
But
I
do
think
that
you
know
trying
to
get
that
engagement
from
our
partners
happens.
Well.
I
will
say
that
the
folks,
particularly
Bluegrass
airport
and
Eric,
and
his
team
up
here,
they've
been
great
Partners.
There's
been
a
lot
of
good
partners,
but
I
think
when
it
really
comes
to
that
investment
and
getting
over
that
help
of
of
writing.
That
check
has
been
a
something
Dennis.
We've.
I
O
M
Sir
they're
qualified
commercial
pilot
that
can
fly
anything
fixed,
Wing
other
than
a
helicopter
fly,
so
we,
our
graduates,
go
the
the
majority
of
them
end
up
flying
for
the
regional
Airlines,
the
envoy,
the
Delta
connection,
the
United
Express
type
things,
but
many
of
them
choose
to
go
corporate
a
lot
of
them
end
up
going
out
west
flying.
You
know,
cropped
off
anything
and
everything.
That's
again,
fixed-wing
our
students
are
qualified
to
fly.
O
Okay
and
maybe
a
brief
follow-up,
Mr
chairman
and
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
very
familiar
with
the
pot
being
a
pilot
or
anything
I'm,
not
one
but
I
mean
I,
guess
the
transition
from
say
like
prop
planes
to
Jets.
Do
you
all
have
like
Partnerships
so
that
students
can
learn
to
fly
different
types
of
aircraft
while
they're.
M
There,
yes,
sir,
we
do
not
have
any
Partnerships
with
any
Jets
turbine
powered
aircraft.
All
of
that
is
done
on
their
initial
first
paying
job
at
those
Regional
Airlines,
that's
the
transition
that
they
make.
Okay,.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
would
say
Cinder
wheeler
I
too,
am
not
a
pilot
and
I
kind
of
thought.
The
same
thing
I
thought
well,
this
is
but
the
science
of
and
the
Wright
brothers
kind
of
broke
it
down.
K
It's
simple,
but
it's
complicated,
but
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
those
those
Pilots
are
ready
to
understand
the
science
of
flying
and-
and
you
know
the
obviously,
the
FAA
has
many
credentials
and
ratings
that
have
to
be
kept
up
that
whole
time,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
the
other
layer
of
that
is
whether
you're
flying
a
King
Air
or
whether
you're
flying
another
aircraft.
You've
got
to
keep
your
certifications
up
in
that
space.
H
Hell,
thank
you
Mr
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Very
interesting
I
couldn't
actually
read
the
numbers
on
the
on
one
of
the
comparisons
there
of
the
students
you
had
I.
Think
you
said
in
your
2023
was
for
what
was.
K
K
Get
in
there
I
understand
and
then
Middle
Tennessee.
You
can
see
who's
right
down
the
road
1226
flight
students
there,
the
the
state
of
Tennessee,
has
invested
about
70.
They
had
a
62.5
million
dollar
appropriation
just
two
years
ago
had
another
five
million
added
for
inflation,
and
my
understanding
is
they're
going
back
for
a
little
more
this
year,
but
they
are
building
a
full
flight
campus
with
that,
and
that
is
flight.
Dining
housing
they're
really
going
to
do
it
all
in
in
a
One-Stop
shop
at
Middle,
Tennessee
and.
H
Mean
no
I
mean
the
cost
of
this.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,
programmatically,.
K
P
H
I
I
think
it's
a
great
that's
a
great
program
and
I'd
love
to
see
some
of
my
local
students
get
interested
in
that.
But
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
P
You
Mr
chair,
sorry,
I'm
behind
the
camera
here
with
the
passage
of
hb9
is
Richmond.
Is
that
Madison
County
is
that
eligible?
Is
that
one
of
the
40
counties
that
was
of
with
the
coal
Severance?
It
was
not?
It
was
not.
Okay,
I
was
going
to
say
that
would
be
a
good
source
for
the
pulling
down
some
of
that
25
million.
L
Thank
you
for
your
Indulgence
I,
really
appreciate
that,
because
this
is
just
so
interesting
two
questions.
This
is
a
four-year
program
and
the
second
question,
because
I
do
believe
in
the
value
of
a
of
a
education
on
top
of
a
profession.
Do
you
all
teach
like?
Do
they
go
through
a
regular
college
degree
as
well?
Yes,.
K
So
so
they'll
have
a
bachelor's
degree
which
is
co-mingled
with
their
Flight
Training.
So
those
are
those
are
two
embedded
but
distinctive
experiences.
So
a
lot
of
the
instruction
that
they're
getting
that's
getting
their
necessary
FAA
requirements
going
through
the
141
will
translate
directly
into
University
credits,
but
they
will
also
still
take
a
lot
of
the
University
experience.
K
I
mean
they're,
not
just
they're,
not
just
going
for
Workforce
training
here,
they're,
getting
a
full
bachelor's
degree
and
I
think
that,
as
we
think
about
individuals
who
are
sitting
in
the
cockpit
making
decisions,
we
want
them
to
be
broad
thinkers.
We
want
them
to
be
critical,
critical
thinkers,
good
communicators
and
so
I
think
that
you,
you
can
compare
that
with.
Perhaps
someone
who
goes
into
this
profession
with
a
purely
military
background,
I
mean
I,
could
let
Dennis
talk
about
he
served
in
the
military,
went
to
arguably
the
best.
K
You
know
graduate
program
for
flight
training
at
Embry-Riddle,
but
you
know
I,
think
there's
multiple
Pathways
here,
but
I
will
say
that
you
know
this
is
a
space
where
I
think
people
think
about
Automation
in
this
space.
I
don't
know
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
we're
going
to
get
on
a
plane
and
not
want
a
couple.
L
L
K
E
Fleming,
thank
you
Mr.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
We
spoke
briefly
in
the
hall,
but
could
you
give
me
or
give
the
committee
sort
of
a
a
quick
high
level
perspective
on
the
other
Avenues
and
Aviation
or
aerospace
engineering
path
that
EKU
offers?
As
you
know,
pilot
has
obviously
kind
of
fly
the
plane,
but
you've
got
mechanics
and
you
have
the
Fabrications.
You
have
avionics
equipment,
you
have
aerospace,
engineering
type
of
degrees.
Could
you
give
me
a
more
or
less
more
of
a
perspective
of
what
goes?
K
Let
me
let
me
give
a
really
broad,
Kentucky
landscape
picture,
that
I
may
let
Dennis
talk,
maybe
just
more
specifics
about
the
industry
and
where
it's
going
so
at
EKU,
the
flat
training
program.
141,
we've
talked
about
that
here
today.
Kind
of
partnered
with
that
is
the
aviation
Management
program,
which
is
also
growing
significantly.
So
all
the
other
operations
that
go
on
in
an
airport
from
the
tower
to
you
know
just
keeping
things
on
time
in
the
places
they
need
to
be.
K
K
There
are
two
programs
that
are
states
sponsored
in
the
state
and
those
are
both
with
the
Community
College
systems.
Somerset
Community
College
has
one
Dr
Kerry
Castle
is
the
president
down
there.
In
fact,
that's
his
background.
He
was
was
in
the
Air.
Force
has
a
background
in
that
space
they're
doing
a
great
job.
In
fact,
he
and
I
were
just
together
about
two
weeks
ago.
K
Talking
about
that
program
and
what's
going
on
and
then
Jefferson
Community,
College
I
think
Hannah
she's
still
back
there,
yep
Jefferson,
Community
College
also
has
an
AMT
program.
We
looked
at
AMT
pre-pandemic.
As
an
institution.
We
were
trying
to
do
an
arc
partnership
to
try
to
bring
this
into
rural
Kentucky
a
couple
you
know
the
pandemic
was
a
disrupter
in
that
space.
K
I
also
think
that
it's
a
chicken
or
egg
question
and
in
some
ways
where
are
the
jobs
going
to
be
if
we
train
this
Workforce
and
I
think
trying
to
get
that
Capital
sector
investment
is
critical.
There
is
a
lot
of
Aerospace
and
Ava
Asian
investment
in
this
state
from
breaks
to
components
to
those
things.
There's
there's
that
kind
of
work
going
on
all
across
the
Commonwealth.
There's
an
inventory
of
that
I
think
the
the
economic
development
cabinet
has
that,
but
as
far
as
kind
of
the
industry
next
kind
of
next
steps
Dennis
what?
M
Yeah
I'll
just
add,
sir,
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things:
the
management
side
that
the
president
has
said
in
the
uas
and
then
I'll
talk
to
industry,
but
the
management
side,
the
shorter,
the
pilot
shortage.
What's
getting
all
the
visibility,
all
the
national
news,
and
rightly
so,
but
for
every
One
Pilot
job
that's
available.
There
are
five
shortages,
five
positions
that
are
short
on
the
management
side,
as
the
president
was
addressing
operating
airport
safety
management
of
those
types
of
things.
M
M
But
the
industry
is
not
going
anywhere
manned
airplanes,
depending
on
who
you
talk
to
are
going
to
be
around
for
the
foreseeable
future,
as
the
president
was
alluding
to
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
difficult,
I
think
in
most
industry,
experts
believe
it,
as
can
be
very
difficult
to
be
hopping
in
a
steel
tube
aluminum
tube
flying
at
500
knots
at
40
000
feet
without
somebody
up
in
the
front
guiding
it.
So
all
the
industry
experts
are
saying
it's
continuing
to
grow,
especially
with
the
faa's
reluctance
to
get
rid
of
the
65
year.
M
Yes,
sir,
we
have
15
currently
15
to
16
percent
females,
and
the
minority
is
right
around
the
same,
the
same
percentage
in
our
program
as
of
this
morning
when
I
checked,
okay,.
M
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
coming
from
Eastern
Kentucky
and
a
lot
of
kids
go
through
the
community
college
system.
First,
because
it's
local
and
what
do
they
face
or
can
they
join
your
program
and
get
some
credit
for
what
they've
already
done
or
do
you
have?
How
is
that
going
to
work
for
those
kids,
it's
that
are
involved
in
that?
That's
just
a
question
that
I
need.
K
To
know
yeah
one
thing
we've
worked
on
a
lot
is
working
with
a
lot
of
high
schools.
In
fact,
we've
got
a
lot
of
Partners.
My
alma
mater
Johnson
Central
High
School
back
in
Johnson
County,
has
has
ever
has
a
VR
lab
that
we
support
them
with,
and
so
students
are
getting
some
experience
in
that
space.
So,
from
a
college
degree
standpoint
everything's,
transferable
they're
not
going
to
be
slowed
down
to
getting
a
bachelor's
degree.
K
I
think
the
challenge
for
flight
is
the
sooner
you
can
kind
of
get
through
that
progression,
which
is
you
got
to
log
so
many
hours
and
have
so
many
checks.
The
sooner
you
start
that
the
better
off
you'll
be
that
doesn't
mean
you've
got
to
be
in
Richmond
to
do
those
things,
but
getting
your
privates
getting
that
work
done
wherever
you're
at
whether
it's
Paducah,
whether
it's
Pikeville
Covington
Williamsburg,
we
try
to
work
with
students
as
they
have
the
inquiry
says:
hey
I
can't
come
this
year.
K
I
want
to
transfer
in
what
can
I
do
to
try
to
stay
relevant?
We
try
to
be
as
flexible
as
possible,
but
obviously
the
FAA
has
some
very
stringent
rules,
what
we're
responsible
for
and
what
they
have
to
demonstrate
in
that
process.
So,
on
the
flight
side,
that's
maybe
less
flexible
than
the
degree
offering
on
the
on
the
bachelor's
degree,.
I
Well
that
helps
me
some,
but
just
say
the
kids
done
created
two
years
of
college
behind
them.
How
much
more
time
is
it
going
to
take
them
to
get
this
education
that
you're,
offering
from
the
degree
standpoint
with
the
flying
license?
That's
what
I'm,
trying
to
clarify
I
mean
if
I'm
not
getting
that.
K
Clear
so
I
would
say
that
probably
the
biggest
challenge
to
getting
their
FAA
required
credentials
is
going
to
be
the
size
of
our
facility
and
the
size
of
our
Fleet.
It's
just.
Can
we
get
them
up
in
the
air
and
get
them
so
the
bachelor's
degree?
They
could
go
two
plus
two
no
problem
and
get
their
Bachelors.
If
I
guess,
if
resources
were
unlimited,
we
could
probably
finish
them.
K
M
Sir,
the
long
pole
in
the
tent
is
we
and
we,
we
have
a
number
of
transfer
students
that
come
in
from
the
community
college.
Most
of
them
are,
if
not
very
close,
gen
Ed
complete
that
all
of
the
Gen
Ed.
So
our
challenge
for
those
type
of
students
is
getting
them
through
the
flight
program
from
private
through
instrument
through
commercial.
That's,
the
long
po.
That's
what
takes
the
time
and
you
can't
rush
that
those
are
the
hours
dependent
and
again,
fortunately,
unfortunately,
we're
in
Central
Kentucky
and
we're
dealing
with
the
weather.
M
A
M
Let
me
try
to
answer
your
question
by
this
weight
that
we
encourage
students
that
have
the
means
that
come
into
our
program
with
a
private
pilot
license.
We
are
starting
to
see
more
and
more
of
ourselves.
The
first
license
you
start
off
with
private,
but
you
have
to
in
order
to
earn
the
Thousand
hour
restricted
ATP
back
to
what
the
president
was
alluding
to.
The
FAA
requires
requires
that
that
that
instruction
occurs
at
EKU
on
EKU
airplanes,
for
the
both
the
instrument
and
Commercial
licenses.
M
So
that
is
a
requirement
that
the
FAA
puts
on
us,
and
rightly
so.
It
is
very
regimented,
it's
very
structured
to
ensure
that
again,
when
you
at
the
end
product
after
four
years
that
those
students
have
met
a
minimum
standard
that
the
FAA
is
requiring
of
us,
so
that
Flight
Training
has
to
occur
at
Richmond
with
our
airplanes
with
our
instructors.
A
A
A
Is
that's
the
whole
program?
Well,
that's.
Thank
you.
That's
that's
very
good
and
you
mentioned
aircraft
going
and
coming
24
hours
a
day.
So
I
was
glad
to
hear
you
mentioned.
You
had
a
control
Tire.
K
Well,
we
don't
have
a
tower,
but
we
got
somebody's
got
eyeballs
on
what's
going
on
all
day
so,
but
we
do
hope
to
build
I,
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
put
a
tower
in
with
the
construction
plan,
but
we
will
have
an
operational
Center
that
will
have
eyes
on
on
everything.
That's
moving.
So,
okay.
A
K
A
E
Senator,
storm
and
I
are
co-chair
of
the
aviation
caucus.
I
encourage
y'all
to
to
participate
in
this
caucus
because
we
are
discussing
a
quite
a
few,
quite
a
few
things
from
Workforce
and
education,
but
also
being
working
with
with
commissioner
Carter
in
terms
of
the
actual
facilities
of
the
57
GAA
airports.
We
got
to
work
on
in
order
to
look
at
Economic,
Development
type
of
additions
and
so
forth,
and
so
we
do
have
a
Workforce
type
of
a
bill
in
the
process
of
being
worked
on
and
hopefully
after
it.
E
After
setting
a
storm
and
I'd,
discuss,
we'll
make
present
this
to
the
aviation
caucus
to
get
your
input
and
thoughts
and
go
from
there,
but
also
or
continue
to
work
with
the
commissioner
and
the
Deputy
Commissioner
in
terms
of
what
these
57
General
G
A
airports
need
and
so
forth.
So
it's
a
two-prong
approach.
You've
got
the
you
got
the
facility,
so
the
actual
airport,
and
you
have
education
and
Workforce
those
two
things
got
to
marry
over
the
next
couple
years.
E
K
Mr,
chair,
I,
would
say,
and
I
should
have
said
this
or
the
aviation
community
in
Kentucky,
from
Top
from
the
commissioner
to
all
that
they
are
so
supportive
of
our
program
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
I
just
I
want
to
say
a
big
thanks
to
them
that
we're
all
pulling
the
rope
in
the
same
directions.
Okay,.
K
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
hope
you
all
have
exhausted
all
your
questions
on
our
friends
from
EKU,
so
I
get
off
scot-free,
but
we'll
see
how
that
works.
Q
We'll
go
with
that
Mr
chairman
and
co-chair
Blanton
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
today.
My
name
is
Seth.
Cutter
I
am
privileged
to
serve,
as
vice
president
of
public
affairs
for
the
Cincinnati
Northern
Kentucky
International,
Airport
CVG,
but
today
I
am
also
representing
the
Kentucky
sustainable
Aviation
fuels.
Q
So
we'd
like
a
good
flight
plan,
we'll
try
to
stay
on
schedule
here
and
not
encounter
any
flight
delays,
but
in
the
next
few
minutes,
I
want
to
offer
you
a
high
level
explanation
of
what
we
mean
when
we
say
renewable
aviation,
fuel
or
staff.
I'll
tell
you
more
about
our
Coalition
members
and
hopefully
offer
you
all
a
case
of
why
Kentucky
makes
sense
for
sap
production
and
use
in
the
context
of
our
country
and
finally,
I'll
review
some
concrete
steps
that
you
all
might
consider
that
would
support
these
objectives.
Q
So
before
I
dive
into
saf
101
as
it
were,
I
want
to
highlight
really
pick
up
on
some
of
the
themes
that
President,
McFadden
and
Dennis
were
talking
about
with
what
the
aviation
industry
means
or
our
Commonwealth
across
our
three
largest
commercial
airports
in
Kentucky,
SDF,
CBG
and
Lex
direct
jobs
and
related
employment
exceeds
134
000,
making
Aviation
one
of
the
state's
signature
Industries.
Q
As
you
all
know,
that
figure
does
include
the
significant
activity
at
UPS
worldport
in
Louisville
dhl's
Global
super
hub
for
the
Americas
at
CVG,
and
also
kcvg,
which
is
Amazon
airs
Hub
at
our
airport,
Louisville
Muhammad
Ali
International
is
North
America's.
Second
busiest
cargo
airport
and
we
at
CVG
are
very
lucky
to
now
be
the
seventh
largest
cargo
Airport
in
North
America.
So
between
that
activity,
at
SDF
and
CVG
alone,
we
estimate
that
no
less
than
480
million
dollars
in
tax
revenues
are
generated
for
the
Commonwealth
and
local
communities
each
year.
Q
So,
aside
from
that
cargo
and
Freight,
of
course,
the
airlines
operating
at
our
airports,
typically
transport
more
than
14
million
passengers
per
year,
that
was
pre-pandemic
and
these
operations
and
their
indirect
impacts
yield
a
combined
annual
economic
impact
of
more
than
18
billion
dollars.
So
that
activity,
of
course,
as
you
all
means
jobs
for
our
friends
and
neighbors,
and
it
forms
the
basis
of
why
Aviation
has
become
such
a
fundamental
building
block
to
Kentucky's
economy.
So
we
have
oems
manufacturers.
Q
Aviation
maintenance
companies,
as
we
were
talking
about
all
looking
at
the
Commonwealth,
is
a
prime
location
for
continued
investment.
So
allow
me
to
thank
you
all
before
we
go
on
our
our
state
leadership
and
policy
makers
for
creating
an
environment
that
is
conducive
to
economic
investment
in
this
space.
That
includes
ensuring
Kentucky,
remains
an
affordable
place
to
live
and
do
business
and
continues
to
focus
on
ensuring
we
have
an
ample
and
growing
supply
of
labor
to
support
all
of
this
activity.
Q
Q
It
is
certified
to
the
same
ASTM
or
fuel
standards
that
apply
to
kerosene-based
Jet
a
it
operates
out
of
the
same
infrastructure,
the
same
engines,
the
same
airframes,
and
it
is
currently
approved
to
replace
a
certain
amount
of
jet
a
in
a
fuel
mixture.
But
it
has
a
substantially
smaller
carbon
footprint
because
of
how
it
is
produced.
In
fact,
depending
on
the
type
of
sap
used,
it
can
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
compared
to
Jet
a
significantly.
Q
Q
This
also
ensures
the
reliability
of
the
drop-in
features
of
the
fuel,
namely
that
the
same
infrastructure,
the
tanks,
the
engines,
the
airframes,
can
operate,
using
the
fuels
and
currently
the
FAA
has
seven
approved
Pathways
to
create
saf
and
those
feed
stocks
range
from
solid
wastes,
hardwood
residues
and
resins
fat
soils
and
greases
Etc
in
the
United
States
Aviation
carbon
emissions
represent
only
about
9
to
12
percent
of
Transportation
sector
emissions,
so
we're
a
small
piece
of
when
you
look
at
us
compared
to
Automotive,
but
it
is
very
hard
to
decarbonize
or
to
address
Aviation
emissions,
it's
much
easier
to
plug
in
an
electric
vehicle
than
you
can
plug
in
currently
a
plane
and
I'm.
Q
Sure.
Many
of
you
appreciate
that,
because
of
the
significant
reduction
in
carbon
emissions,
however,
sap
is
that
best
near-term
way
for
us
to
as
the
aviation
industry
to
curb
our
impact
on
the
environment.
Many
members
of
our
Coalition
have
made
very
public
and
ambitious
commitments
to
buy
sapph
as
part
of
their
fuel
mix.
Q
Not
only
are
markets
creating
demand
for
these
Solutions,
but
our
customers,
the
airline
passengers,
the
companies
who
ship
with
DHL
and
UPS
or
the
Amazon
customer
summer
are
all
more
mindful
of
the
environmental
impacts
of
how
these
Goods
or
they
themselves
are
transported,
so
that
business
imperative
is
demanding
staff
and
our
Coalition
members
are
con
committed
to
meeting
the
demand.
So
I'd
like
to
now
introduce
you
to
the
members
of
our
Coalition
and
apologize.
It's
not
easily
apparent
there,
but
we'll
we'll
scroll
through.
Q
We
have
great
great
companies
across
the
Commonwealth
as
well
as
folks
who
are
looking
and
looking
at
the
investment
that
Kentucky
presents
to
them.
We
have
engine
makers
and
passenger
Airlines,
our
largest
cargo
Partners
here
in
Kentucky
Amazon
air
American,
Airlines
Atlas.
You
can
see
the
logos
displayed
here.
We
have
our
Aviation
trade
groups
nationally
and
all
of
our
commercial
airports
are
involved
and
then,
of
course,
with
the
passenger
and
cargo
airlines.
Q
And
then,
of
course,
you
can't
see
it
here
at
the
end,
but
you
have
folks
down
in
the
bottom
right
like
sunflower
fuels
who
are,
who
is
a
startup
based
out
of
Lexington
that
sees
and
has
created
their
business
around
the
opportunity
that
these
fuels
present
and
they're.
Looking
at
some
Innovative
feedstock
development
in
Eastern
Kentucky
by
repurposing
abandoned
coal
Fields
with
cover
crops
that
can
be
used
as
a
feed
stock
to
create
these
fuels.
Q
So
this
is
a
broad
group
that
is,
is
very
committed
to
Kentucky
and
believes
in
the
business
case
of
why
Kentucky
makes
sense
for
these
fuels.
So
with
that,
as
a
segue
I
tell
you
that
one
of
the
reasons
this
group
has
formed-
and
hopefully
one
of
the
reasons
we're
talking
about
it
today-
is
because
the
production
of
these
renewable
fuels
these
biofuels
is
very
scarce.
Demand
is
high.
Supply
is
very
low.
Q
That
imbalance
of
course
causes
a
great
disparity
in
price,
so
saf
only
makes
up
about
one
percent
of
total
jet
fuel
production
today,
but,
as
I
said
because
of
that
expensive
price
point
right
now
you
and
the
higher
cost
to
manufacturer.
It
will
likely
be
that
saf
is
a
continued
expensive
proposition
for
the
years
to
come
compared
to
petroleum-based
jet
fuel.
Q
Again,
one
of
the
reasons
it's
very
hard
to
create
these
fuels
is
you're,
either
liquefying
solids
or
you're,
trying
to
get
you're
trying
to
achieve
scale
in
your
production
and
again
maintaining
that
chemical
composition
that
can
be
commingled
with
jet
a
is
obviously
a
very
a
very
expensive
proposition.
Q
So
the
case
for
Kentucky,
when
you
consider
all
the
airlines
that
are
flying
here-
passenger
and
cargo,
when
you
look
at
the
scale
and
scope
of
those
three
Global
cargo
hubs
that
we're
blessed
to
have
you
think
of
all
the
fuel
consumption
that
that
activity
requires.
We
think
of
the
economic
development
opportunity
for
new
Investments
to
turn
these
feed
stocks
into
Fuel
and
refine
that
into
something
that
can
be
used
and,
of
course,
for
existing
companies
in
the
agricultural
space,
for
instance,
in
across
Kentucky.
Q
These
fuels
are
potential
new
customer
to
buy
the
feed
stocks
and
convert
it
to
to
fuel
and
then,
of
course,
for
the
for
the
universities.
We've
engaged
they're
not
on
the
slide
there,
but
you
have
engaged
Folks
at
the
University
of
Kentucky,
the
University
of
Louisville,
who
are
in
the
r
d
space
researching
the
next
generation
of
technology,
for
these
fuels
again
and
how
you
can
scale
and
commercialize
them
for
a
wider
use.
Q
So
our
conclusion,
as
you
can
see
here,
for
all
these
reasons,
we
think
that
saf
is
a
great
opportunity
that
blends
Aviation
energy
Agriculture
and
really
our
Geographic
position
in
the
country.
Where
we
can
benefit
of
The
Economic
Opportunity
this
presents,
so
this
map
is
a
little
bit
hard
to
read,
but
that's
not
really
the.
K
Q
A
lot
of
the
production
of
these
renewable
fuels
right
now
is
happening
overseas,
so
other
countries,
particularly
Europe,
have
regulated
or
mandated
the
use
of
lower
emitting
fuels.
You
have
a
lot
of
production
coming
out
of
Asia
in
the
United
States.
So
far
there
are
a
few
projects
that
are
coming
online
and
the
nearest
to
us
are
in
Georgia
and
Illinois.
Q
So
the
other
piece
and
I
shared
this
with
representative
Dixon
a
little
bit
earlier
as
well,
is
that
we
think
there's
a
really
great
Air
Service
opportunity
for
our
local
communities
right
from
an
airport
perspective,
we're
concerned
about
how
do
we
grow
flights?
How
do
we
increase
the
amount
of
economic
to
activity
at
our
airports
and
having
something
like
saf
that
airlines
are
really
looking
for,
is
yet
another
reason
that
they
would
choose
us
over
Nashville
or
Columbus
or
Indianapolis
Etc?
Q
So
during
the
2022
General
Assembly
regular
session,
our
Coalition
was
pleased
to
speak
with
many
of
you
about
saf
these
renewable
fuels
and
the
positive
impacts
they
can
bring
to
Kentucky,
and
we
were
very
delighted
that
back
in
22,
former
Senator
will
Schroeder
introduced
SB
323
that
year,
which
was
a
legislative
proposal.
Two-Fold
legislative
proposal
on
on
this
topic.
Q
It
proposed
to
create
a
2.50
per
gallon
tax
credit
for
the
use
of
Staff
in
Kentucky
that
was
produced
in
Kentucky,
and
it
would
have
created
a
two
dollar
per
gallon
tax
credit
for
staff
that
was
consumed
in
Kentucky
but
produced
outside
of
the
state.
Those
measures
were
intended
to
help
spur
the
adoption
of
saf
use
here
at
our
airports
to
control
the
cost
we
had
sunscented
proposed
to
Sunset
the
incentive
after
five
years,
with
a
cap
of
5
million
dollars
total
per
year
between
23
and
27..
Q
The
second
goal
was
really
an
economic
development
effort
was
unique
to
saf
because
you've
in
previous
years
it's
been
a
while,
but
you
had
incentives
on
the
books
for
renewable
fuels
and
biofuels,
for
which
staff
could
have
broadly
Fallen
under.
But
since
a
lot
of
those
programs
had
lapsed,
we
had
really
pushed
for
a
incentive
around
production
here.
Q
So
an
enhanced
Economic
Development
package
was
contemplated
for
new
or
retrofitted
facilities,
with
at
least
three
million
dollars
of
investment
sales
and
use
tax
incentives
and
other
incentives
based
on
the
total
capital
investment
would
have
applied.
And
then
we
considered
a
one-time,
unique
element
to
this
opportunity,
which
was
a
10
million
dollar
appropriation
to
Keva,
to
use
as
a
forgivable
loan
to
fund
sap
facility
projects
that
had
a
minimum
capital,
investment
of
at
least
100
million
dollars.
Q
So
the
details
of
that
legislation
was
based
really
on
industry,
best
practice
with
what
coupled
with
what
made
sense
and
made
sense
for
Kentucky.
So
our
Coalition
has
continued
to
refine
our
legislative
asks
to
create
a
package
that
is
both
reasonable
but
offers
a
meaningful
incentive
to
create
a
strong
business
case
for
these
fuels.
Here
in
Kentucky,
as
I
mentioned,
we
believe
that
anything
the
Kentucky
can
do
to
capitalize
on
this
growing
staff.
Q
Industry
will
create
economic
growth
impacts
for
years
to
come,
and
we
recognize
that
this
ask
may
seem
significant,
but
we
believe,
given
the
outsize
impact
of
in
aviation
on
our
state
and
local
communities,
that
it
merits
your
consideration
and
it's
really
an
opportunity.
That's
timely
and
important
for
us
not
to
pass
up.
And
finally,
we
know
from
speaking
with
staff
producers,
folks,
both
inside
and
outside
of
the
state.
Q
Looking
at
this
opportunity
that
the
minimum
investment
for
as
I
said
either
building
a
new
facility,
retrofitting
an
existing
facility
will
be
will
realize
economic
impact
capital
investment
to
the
tune
of
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars.
So
that's
why
we
think
it's
a
really
good
opportunity
for
additional
investment
in
the
space
new
industry
and,
of
course,
creating
new
jobs
that
complement
our
existing
Aviation
users.
Q
A
R
You
Mr
chairman
Mr
cutter.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Just
a
couple
of
three
questions:
real
quickly:
the
the
the
saf
fuel
you're,
calling
it
a
drop
in
fuel.
Q
It's
an
excellent
question.
There
are
currently
there
have
been
test
flights
using
100
Sav,
but
that's
obviously
so.
You
have
folks,
as
I
mentioned,
like
GE
Boeing
Airbus,
who
are
all
testing
those
Technologies
trying
to
make
the
determination
if
the
engine
technology
can
support
it.
It's
used
24
7,
but
currently
yes,
it's
about
30
to
50
percent
of
the
composition
of
the
total
fuel
mixture
can
be,
can
use
up
to
that
amount
of
sap.
Yes,
so.
R
It
takes
jet
fuel
steel
to
operate.
How
much
is
production
cost
on
SAS
we're
talking
about
it,
costs
more.
Q
Q
Another
great
question,
sir,
in
terms
of
a
per
gallon
price,
because
that's
an
easy
way
to
think
about
this
during
the
pandemic
jet
fuel,
like
many
Industries,
it
was
a
mismatch
of
supply
and
demand.
Jet
fuel,
usually
in
this
year
so
far,
has
hovered
between
three
dollars
and
three
dollars.
Fifty
cents
per
gallon
of
jet,
a
sap
by
comparison,
is
a
nearing
or
hovering
around
nine
dollars,
a
gallon.
So
there's
a
significant
Gap,
and
in
that
per
gallon
pricing
you
have
obviously
the
cause
the
difference
of
the
cost
to
manufacture
refine
it.
Q
But
then
you
also
have
really
priced
in
there
the
really
scarce
availability
of
the
product.
So
the
idea
is
when
you
have
there's
this
new
facility
that
just
came
online
in
Georgia
when
you
have
some
other
facilities.
Fulcrum
biofuels
in
Illinois
has
a
facility
over
there.
As
you
start
ramping
up
production
that
price
May
come
down
and
normalize
a
little
bit,
but
it'll
still
be
much
more
expensive
than
jet
a.
R
Okay,
so
I
want
to
lay
out
a
scenario
that
I'm
perceiving
from
the
presentation.
Yes,
sir,
is
we
want
to
use
a
a
fuel
called
safe
to
add,
with
jet
a
that
cost
nearly
three
times
as
much
to
produce?
Then
we
want
the
government
to
give
incentives
to
use
this
much
more
expensive
fuel
than
the
jet
a
because
we
want
to
reduce
our
so-called
carbon
footprint.
I
mean
that's
the
only
benefit
it
brings.
R
It
won't
fly
the
planes,
so
we
want
to
go
away
from
fossil
fuels
and
we
want
the
government
to
subsidize
going
away
from
fossil
fuels
to
pay
for
another
fuel
that
won't
fly
the
plane
in
and
of
itself
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
where
that
that
that
this
is
a
a
win-win.
R
If
it
won't
fly
the
plane,
it
costs
three
times
as
much
and
taxpayers
are
going
to
have
to
subsidize
it,
because
here's
what
you're
going
to
have,
if
without
some
some
very
good
subsidies,
I'm
going
to
pay,
as
is
everybody
else
more
to
get
an
airline
ticket
when
I
fly
somewhere
when
I
have
order
from
Amazon
or
any
other
company,
and
it
has
to
be
shipped
by
air
that
gets
passed
on
to
the
consumers.
That's
just
the
real
reality
of
things.
R
We're
going
to
have
to
pay
more
for
shipping
now
for
products
that
we
receive.
So
you
know
I'm,
just
wondering
and
I'm.
Looking
at
you
know
is
it
cost
efficient
to
be
doing
this
if
it
was
flying
the
plane
in
of
itself,
but
obviously
it
can't.
It
has
to
have
that
jet,
a
fossil
fuel
to
do
that
and
and
am
I
correct,
am
I
summation
on
all
this
or,
if
I'm
wrong,
explain
how
I'm
wrong
I.
Q
I
think,
as
of
today
co-chair
plant
I
think
the
assessments
you're
making
are
very
valid.
What
we
would
say
is
that
technology
as
I
said
these
test
flights
are
testing
out
what
happens
when
the
technology
improves
and
there's
greater
production
available
of
these
fuels,
where
you
can
power
a
flight
totally
on
saf,
as
opposed
to
Jet
a
so
I
I
hear
you
absolutely
in
terms
of
your
point
about
subsidizing
and
who
pays
for
the
fuels.
I
think
are
many
of
our
Coalition
members
would
share
with
you
that
either
customers.
Q
So
if
you're
a
shipper
right
to
your
point
folks,
companies
that
are
shipping
with
UPS
or
DHL
Amazon
customers,
there
are
a
growing
number
of
them
that
are
willing
to
pay
more
for
offsetting.
Some
of
these
other
costs
to
your
point.
There
will
be
additional
costs,
but
we
have
folks
I
use
the
example
of
DHL.
That's
a
really
good
example:
DHL
is
a
global
company.
They
have
hubs
in
Germany
number
one
by
volume.
Cvg
up
in
Northern.
Q
Kentucky
is
the
number
two
Global
super
Hub
and
the
covers
the
America's
region,
and
then
Hong
Kong
is
its
Asia
Pacific
Hub
DHL
is
under
some
increased
I
shouldn't,
say:
increase.
They
have
set
a
number
of
ambitious
goals
by
2030
to
use
these
fuels
the
only
way
and-
and
that's
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
There's
European
regulation
customers
are
demanding
it's
a
variety
of
factors.
Q
So
you
have
folks
that
are
out
there
trying
to
Source
the
fuels
and-
and
there
again,
as
I
said,
the
pricing
differential
is,
is
very
real
into
your
question
to
your
point,
when
we
are
making
an
ask
of
you
all
we're
we're
mindful
of
the
fact
that
it's
a
new
industry
right,
we
don't
want
Kentucky
to
lose
out
on
the
Economic
Opportunity
that
if
the
economy
is
going
that
way,
if
Airlines
United
Airlines
is
not
part
of
our
Coalition,
but
has
made
many
public
statements
of
how
much
fuel
they
will
be
buying
when
it
comes
online.
Q
R
Thank
you
and
and
I
will
keep
an
open
mind
on
the
economic
development
side.
That's
going
to,
but
right
now,
I
see
it
being
a
negative,
not
a
positive
because
of
the
increased
cost
asking
for
the
governor,
the
government,
incentives
and,
and
and
quite
frankly
myself,
along
with
others,
have
said
for
a
long
time
to
people
outside
the
coal
industry.
R
Wait
because
once
we
get
they
get
rid
of
the
cold
they're
coming
after
oil
and
gas
and
I
know
it's
not
you
personally,
but
this
is
just
another
part
of
that
agenda
to
try
to
rid
us
the
fossil
fuels
at
a
higher
cost
to
the
citizenry
and
asking
the
government
using
taxpayer
dollars
to
subsidize
it.
So
I
just
have
concerns.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
O
O
O
But
you
know
if
they
bought
this
synthetic
fuel
to
put
in
as
an
additive,
to
reduce
that
carbon
footprint,
they
would
have
to
pay
a
lot
more.
So
what
this
essentially
does
it
lets
them
artificially
lower
their
transportation
prices
by
saying
Amazon's
still
going
to
ship
to
you
for,
say,
2.99
when
at
the
same
time,
you're
actually
paying
taxes
to
subsidize
that
so
the
consumer
is
actually
paying
full
Freight.
They
just
don't
know
it
because
they're
paying
for
it
through
their
taxes.
O
Rather
than
directly
through
the
shipper,
which
you
know,
a
lot
of
people
go
online
because
they
can
get
things
cheaper
than
what
they
might
be
able
to
get
at
The,
Big,
Box
store
but
is
or
or
a
local
retailer
there,
but
are
they
really
getting
that
when
we're
paying
them
on
the
back
end
as
far
as
their
fuel
subsidies
are
concerned
and
I
I
guess
my
my
thoughts
are
if
this
is
so
important
to
Amazon
and
DHL
I,
guess
that's
Deutsche
hot
dog,
Lloyd,
right
and
and
some
of
these
customers,
you
know
let
them
pay
the
nine
dollars
a
gallon.
O
If
that's
that
important
to
them,
you
know
it
always
amazes
me
that
the
same
folks
that
are
asking
us
as
consumers
to
subsidize
it
won't
Park
their
corporate
Jets,
which
is
about
the
single
most
polluting
thing
that
you
can
do
as
a
as
a
as
an
individual
I
mean
you
know,
John
Kerry
was
Mr
Green
flying
all
over
the
world.
You
know
putting
out
one
of
the
biggest
carbon
Footprints,
but
has
the
nerve
to
say
that
his
advocacy
is
is
paying
for
it
somehow
and
and
I
guess.
O
That's
the
problem:
I
have
I
mean
if
and
that's
fine,
if
that's
your
agenda
as
a
corporate
entity,
I
accept
that
it's
a
free
country,
but
why
ask
me,
as
a
taxpayer,
to
essentially
pay
for
your
agenda?
And
you
know,
I
actually
lived
in
Germany
and
the
family
I
lived
with.
One
of
them
was
a
college
professor
and
was
previously
a
rather
of
a
left-wing
guy
and
he's
recently
gone.
O
A
O
Q
Senator
I
would
address.
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
first
I
would
say
the
airlines
that
we
work
with
cargo
passenger
are
all
very
concerned
about.
We
know.
Customers
are
very
price.
Sensitive.
The
pandemic
taught
us
that
I
think
from
a
competitive
standpoint.
Everyone
is
trying
to
deliver
the
best
product
for
the
lowest
cost
right,
whether
you're
shipping,
through
UPS
DHL,
Etc
I,
think
we're
very
lucky
in
Kentucky
to
have
essentially
three
options
on
the
cargo
side.
Q
If
you
want
to
get
your
goods
out
to
the
world
or,
if
you're,
a
manufacturer
trying
to
move
product
from
or
widgets
from
Asia
to
the
states
and
back
and
forth,
we
have
a
lot
of
options
to
your
point
on
cost
and
how
that
gets
priced
into
people.
I
definitely
hear
you
and
one
of
the
things
that
again
we're
very
mindful
of
is
that
any
proposed
incentives
were
particularly
the
ones
that
were
about
tax
credits
on
the
fuel.
The
price
per
gallon
would
be
sunsetted,
it
was.
Q
It
is
very
much
this
idea
of
we
have
a
nascent
industry
that
is,
as
you
can
see,
globally
is
taking
hold,
regardless
of
the
underlying
motives.
There
are
some
real
dollars
being
invested
and
for
a
short
time,
if
Kentucky
can
help
attract
some
of
that
investment
to
attract
additional
activity
at
our
airports.
We
think
that,
to
your
point,
the
costs
will
they're
going
to
ebb
and
flow
over
time,
but
eventually
those
subsidies
would
go
away
and
you
would
have
a
more
mature
industry
that
can
start
scaling
up
to
to
co-chair.
Q
Blanton's
points
can
really
address
that
long-term
price
disparity
and
it
can
normalize,
but
we're
very
aware
that
you
know
there's
been
members
of
our
Coalition,
like
GE,
are
looking
at
the
next
generation
of
engines
that
are
electric.
We
have
folks
that
are
willing
to
pay
in
business
Aviation.
The
corporate
users
are
willing
to
pay
an
off
the
higher
price
to
your
point,
to
offset
the
the
emissions
that
they
that
they
create.
Q
So
this
is
really
the
way
that
things
that
we
see
things
are
moving
and
again
we're
very
sensitive
to
that
ask
and
are
open
to
to
to
your
point
earlier.
We
have
an
open
mind
as
well.
In
terms
of
this
is
not
the
end.
What
we
have
proposed
in
the
past
is
not
the
end-all
be-all
answer.
If
there
can
be
improvements
made
okay,.
S
A
big
fan
of
CBG
I
assume
you
are
as
well
my
oversight.
I
have
a
couple
questions
I'll,
be
brief.
S
If
I
may
Mr,
chairman,
first
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
my
colleagues
know
that
you
know
if
you
go
to
book
a
flight
online
right
now,
most
of
the
big
search
engines,
Google
flights,
Expedia
and
stuff
they'll,
tell
you
the
flights
they'll
tell
you
the
the
turmoil,
you're
going
to
have
to
go
through
how
miserable
the
flight's
going
to
be,
and
now
they
tell
you
what
the
CO2
imprint
is
of
that
flight.
So
it's
another
part
of
the
decision
tree
the
customers
are
actually
making
and
it's
showing
up
in
the
marketplace.
S
I
was
really
heartened
to
hear
you
talk
about
what
what
this
could
do
for
our
farmers
in
Kentucky.
So
my
first
question
to
you
is:
if
you
could
talk
a
little
more
about
that
and
if
you
or
the
groups
you're
working
with
have
evaluated.
If
we
have,
you
know
surplus
of
agricultural
Goods,
what
what
this
could
look
like
really
in
the
agricultural
Market.
Thank.
Q
You
for
the
question
representative
and
and
Senator
wheeler
to
some
of
your
points
to
to
one
of
the
one
of
the
ways
I
didn't
describe
it
very
well.
When
I
mentioned
sunflower
fuels
the
company
out
startup
out
of
Lexington,
that's
really
creating
its
business
around
this
again
they're.
Looking
at
how
do
you
repurpose
abandoned
coal
mines
or
the
coal
Fields,
where
there
can
be
some
cover
crops
that
grow
really?
Q
Well,
there
you
it
doesn't
displace
food
or
livestock
Supply
chains,
because
you
it's
not
at
available
for
consumption
for
human
or
livestock
consumption
and
makes
a
great
a
great
ingredient
to
to
mix
into
Sav.
The
other
piece
that
we
know
a
natural
resources
that
we
have
in
abundance
is
hardwood
residues,
so
saps
and
resins
that
can
be
scaled
up.
Forestry
byproduct
that
essentially
can
be
harvested
to
create
these
fuels
and
then
the
other
piece.
You
know,
representative
to
your
question.
B
A
S
All
right
I'll
make
this
as
quick
as
possible.
Could
you
talk
about
any
Kentucky
fuel
producers
who
could
adapt
to
this
and
I
think
before
you
answer
that
question
I'll
just
say
it's
my
belief.
S
This
is
coming
and
that
the
underlying
question
here
is
whether
Kentucky
is
going
to
take
advantage
of
this
from
an
economic
development
standpoint
or
if
we're
going
to,
let
it
pass
Us
by
so
maybe
it
would
be
helpful
if
you
could
talk
to
us
about
any
fuel
producers
that
you're
aware
of
in
the
state
who
could
already
benefit
from
this
and
the
economic
impact
there.
We.
Q
Are
aware
that
there
are
conversations
with
the
cabinet
for
economic
development
and
certain
outside
of
State
producers
that
are
looking
at
sites
in
Kentucky?
You
know
one
of
the
members
of
our
Coalition.
It's
not
a
secret
Marathon
petroleum
company
is
involved,
their
subsidiary
variant
is
not
producing
in
Kentucky,
but
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
they
would
like
to
see
or
are
looking
at
potential
sites
in
Kentucky.
T
Sir
I
currently
pay
eight
dollars
a
quart
for
synthetic
fuel
from
a
Husqvarna
chainsaw,
because
they're
willing
to
put
their
money
where
they
might
where
their
mouth
is
and
they'll
triple.
My
manufacturer's
warranty
if
I
run
that
and
you
actually
save
a
little
bit
of
money
and
maintenance
cost
on
your
chainsaw
that
way,
but
that
does
not
appear
to
be
the
case
for
jet
aviation
fuels.
You
said
your
Saft
does
not
increase
or
decrease
the
performance
of
the
aircraft.
It's
just
a
drop
in
fuel.
It's.
T
For
what's
there
and
it's
two
or
three
times
more
expensive,
so
it
would
appear
that
the
only
benefit
is
perhaps
to
boost
a
corporate
ESG
score
or
for
customers
to
feel
better
about
spending
more
money
to
to
fly.
The
jet
and
we've
only
recently
passed
legislation
to
make
it
illegal
for
a
pension
fund
manager
to
consider
ESG
score
in
their
interesting
decision.
It
seems
that
would
be
contrary
to
the
direction
we're
trying
to
go
here.
Q
I
would
thank
you
for
the
question
representative.
I
would
say:
there's
some
very
real
carbon
emissions
benefits
in
how
the
fuel
is
produced
to
your
point.
It
is
a
drop
in
fuel,
but
you
have
a
significantly
fewer
emissions
from
producing
this
fuel
so
when
it
is
burned
in
the
same
engines
to
your
point,
there
is
a
decrease
in
that
emissions.
N
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
always
like
to
in
these
type
of
committees.
We
get
the
information
I
like
to
step
back
and
see
what
would
be
the
general
benefit.
I
know.
Sometimes
we
get
really
far
down
in
the
weeds.
You
know
whether
we
talk
about
how
individuals
are
are
driving
around
corporate
Jets
and
things
like
that
and
I
always
remember.
N
Calories
aren't
bad
for
you,
but
he
would
use
that
as
an
example,
but
regardless
you're
talking
about
the
economic
opportunities
in
Kentucky,
we
wind
up
being
a
poor
State
year
after
year
after
year,
and
sometimes
we
put
our
ignorance
ahead
of
what's
best
for
the
Commonwealth
and
and
so
anytime
I'm
looking
at
and
and
that's
me,
for
instance,
I'm
always
here
learning
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
a
lot
of
different
areas.
N
You
hear
me
sometimes
I
ask
bad
questions
onto
it,
just
to
learn,
but
in
the
event
that
we
know
that
we
have
the
opportunity
for
a
significant
economic
impact
for
our
constituents
for
our
community.
To
me
that
says,
I
have
to
have
an
open
mind,
and
so,
while
we
may
say
you
know,
I
don't
agree
with
this
fidget
I.
Don't
think
this
and
the
general
idea
I
think.
Oh,
that
might
be
silly
I.
Remember
we
did
that
with
technology.
N
For
a
long
time,
I
was
at
home
banging
my
head
against
the
TV,
while
I
was
watching
coming
out
of
high
school,
some
of
the
committee
meetings
we
had
here
here,
just
not
wanting
to
drag
our
feet
so
far
behind.
A
A
N
Right
in
in
the
event
that
we
ignore
this
in
the
event
that
we
say
you
know
what
we
don't
want
to
participate,
do
we
have
the
is
there
a
chance
that
we'll
lose,
especially
with
the
DHL
and
some
of
the
other
corporate
individuals
that
work
through
CVG
they've
made
commitments
through
other
countries
through
the
European
through
this
in
the
event,
Kentucky
doesn't
step
up
and
do
anything?
Is
there
a
chance
that
we
lose
those
corporate
partners?
N
Q
You
senator
for
the
question.
I
would
say
our
our
Coalition
members
to
likes
of
UPS
DHR
Amazon
have
invested
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
in
this
state.
We
we
collectively
have
done
a
great
job
of
making
the
case
of
why
Kentucky
is
a
good
place
to
invest,
I
think
the
fundamentals
as
I
shared
before
make
the
argument
for
Kentucky
very
beneficial
I
think
we
can
get
ahead
of
other
states
that
are
looking
at
this
opportunity
and
it
is
an
economic
development
opportunity.
Q
First
and
foremost,
I
think
we
can
put
ourselves
ahead
of
some
of
those
other
states
for
investment
and
if
we
don't
take
action,
I
think
the
risk
to
your
question
is
that
other
states
will
beat
us
to
the
punch.
So
I
think
that
was
some
of
the
reasoning
in
Montana.
You
have
Illinois
that
passed
a
similar
set
of
incentives
that
you're
going
to
see
production
go
to
those
other
places
to
the
questions
before
it
may
come
at
some
point.
How
do
we
to
your
point
Senator?
Q
Q
Senator
for
to
your
first
question,
I,
don't
have
an
estimate
on
ultimately
what
the
costs
are.
Ideally,
it
will
normalize
to
the
point
of
where
it
replaces
or
is
sufficient
for
what
jet
a
is
today
and
then
to
your
point
about
or
to
your
question
rather
about
regulation
and
requirements.
Q
I,
don't
think
this
country
and
I
don't
think
Kentucky
is
the
right
place
for
such
an
approach
where
it's
regulated
like
that
I
think
an
incentive
that
says
here's
an
economic
development
opportunity
is,
on
the
whole
across
our
country,
a
much
better
policy
approach
than
frankly
what
the
Europeans
have
done,
which
is
said.
You
must
only
emit
this
and
we're
going
to
find
you
for
everything
else.
F
Thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
You
know
in
some
of
the
remarks
that
you
had
and-
and
the
question
is
this-
this
fuel
is
something
that's
being
looked
at
by
multiple
partners
that
you
just
played
on
on
the
board.
Yes,
sir,
it
is
something
not
only
just
Statewide,
not
only
something
National,
but
this
is
a
global
companies
that
are
operating
across
the
world
that
are
that
are
trying
to
meet
standards
and
look
at
innovative
ways
to
to
not
only
meet
those
standards
but
to
obviously
produce
the
best
product
at
the
lowest
price.
F
Yes,
sir,
the
fuel
currently
supply
and
demand
is
the
issue.
I
think
Economic
Development,
you
made
that
clear
is,
is
kind
of
the
purpose
of
looking
at
this
option
because
we
are
in
aviation
State
and
it
is
one
of
our
our
key
things
here
in
Kentucky.
But
with
that
one
thing
you
know:
fossil
fuels,
coal.
Those
things
been
mentioned
in
committee
today,
marathon,
is
on
that
board
correct.
What
is
marathons
part
of
this?
You
know
they
are
a
fossil
fuel
company.
They,
you
know,
why
would
they
want?
Why
would
they
be
up
there?
Q
Thank
you
for
the
question
broadly
and
the
reason
you've
seen
many
folks
globally
in
in
the
oil
and
gas
business
they're.
Looking
at
this
as
the
next
again,
the
next
type
of
fuel
that,
if
things
continue
on
the
path
that
they
are,
will
be
their
newest
line
of
business,
they
can
ultimately
and
hopefully
not
a
few
decades
from
now,
but
in
years
will
be
a
profitable
line
of
business
for
them.
Q
So
I
can't
speak
to
marathons
intentions
as
a
company
directly,
but
I
can
say
from
an
industry
perspective.
That's
why
we
have
a
great
company
like
marathon
on
the
board
and
I
think
they
want
to
make
this
sort
of
investment
in
Kentucky.
A
S
Thank
you
chairman.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
that,
but
Seth
since
you're
here
and
we
got
the
transportation
committee
and
CVG
has
been
growing
by
Leaps
and
Bounds.
L
Q
Sure,
thank
you,
representative,
I.
Think
many
of
you
know.
We
were
very
pleased
to
welcome
British
Airways
to
CVG
on
June
5th
of
the
summer.
They
are
our
14th
passenger
airline
serving
London
Heathrow
five
times
a
week,
so
we're
very
excited
about
that
flight.
It's
great
for
our
state.
The
other
piece
I,
would
say
kind
of
on
the
heels
of
President,
McFadden
and
Dennis.
Talking
about
Workforce,
representative
Fleming
knows
this
very
well.
We
are.
Q
We
are
there
for
the
conversation
around
Workforce,
we're
very
lucky
to
have
a
private
operator,
epic
Flight
Academy.
Currently
building
we
can
see
it
out
of
our
Windows
building
a
flight
school
for
aircraft.
Mechanics
right
so
complements
the
Investments
Somerset
at
Jefferson,
County
and
and
a
host
of
other
activities.
So
please
know
that
you're,
all
you
all
have
a
standing
invitation
to
come
visit
us
I
know
our
colleagues
at
Louisville
and
Lexington
feel
the
same
commercial
aviation
in
this
state
really
is
thriving
Seth.
A
Thank
you
so
much
thank
you
for
being
here
and
appreciate
it
our
next
one.
Last
but
not
least,
Sarah
Jackson
Terry
Sebastian
on
the
Regional
Offices
for
driver's
license
and
while
she's
coming
up,
you
have
Kenny
Bishop
sitting
in
the
audience.
If
any
of
y'all
don't
have
Kenny's
number
he's
our
legislative
liaison,
you
have
a
transportation
issue.
Give
him
a
call.
If
you
have
a
driver's
license
issue,
I
can't
brag
on
Sarah
enough
how
how
well
she
handles
those
issues
when
they
have
them
so
Sarah
and
Terry.
The
floor
is
yours.
Please
proceed.
A
G
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
inviting
us
today.
I
was
looking
at
my
notes
and
I.
Think
the
last
time
I
appeared
in
front
of
an
interim
joint
committee.
This
committee
was
last
September,
so
we've
been
really
busy.
I
asked
for
your
patience
and
understanding.
I
asked
for
you
to
give
us
time,
sir.
A
G
G
G
By
way
of
reminder,
and
especially
for
those
of
you
who
are
newer
to
the
committee
I'm
going
to
say
this
every
time
this
switch
to
a
regional
issuance
model
has
been
one
of
the
most
significant
business
process
changes
ever
presented
to
a
state
government
front
facing
agency.
We
know,
and
we
expect,
there's
more
work
to
be
done.
Few
quick,
factual
updates.
We
have
32
driver
licensing,
Regional
Offices
that
are
open
and
fully
functional
across
the
state.
G
Our
cumulative
total
of
daily
issuance
numbers
across
the
state
are
matching
and
in
many
cases
exceeding
the
average
cumulative
total
of
daily
issuance
numbers
when
the
Kentucky
circuit
clerks
were
handling
issuance.
Nearly
400
000
kentuckians
have
skipped
a
trip
to
a
licensing
office
and
renewed
their
driving
credentials
online.
In
the
last
two
years
alone,
four
hundred
thousand
I
want
to
emphasize
this
400
1000
kentuckians
performed
this
task
remotely
and
that
is
without
making
a
trip
to
a
regional
office.
G
Kentuckians
have
also
had
the
option
of
renewing
or
replacing
lost
or
stolen
credentials
or
completing
an
address
change
by
mail-in
and
45.
000
people
have
done
that
by
mail-in,
since
it
was
first
offered
in
October
of
21.
again
45
000
people
who
didn't
make
a
trip
to
our
office
who
had
openings,
thereby
for
people
who
really
needed
a
visit
to
the
office,
opening
up
more
appointments
and
more
availability.
The
real
ID
enforcement
date
is
now
set
for
May
7
of
25.
I.
Think
I
announced
that
last
September,
but
I.
G
Just
as
a
reminder,
you
do
not
need
a
real
ID
for
to
to
board
a
plane
or
go
on
a
military
base
in
the
U.S
before
May
7th
of
2025
and
I.
Do
want
to
remind
you
and
your
constituency
that
you
have
other
options:
a
passport,
a
Department
of
Justice,
a
Department
of
Justice,
ID,
Etc,
and
then
just
to
give
you
an
update,
22.3
percent
of
our
total
credentials.
That
was,
this
is
through
June
I,
believe
are
issued
in
the
form
of
real
IDs,
so
we're
at
the
22.3
percent
mark.
G
It
was
expected
by
DHS
when
this
this
program
was
mandated.
That
Kentucky,
because
we
were
a
voluntary
state
for
real
ID,
meaning
you
don't
have
to
get
a
real
ID.
If
you
choose
to
use
another
form
of
real
ID,
it
was
estimated
that
we
would
be
targeting
about
30.
We
they
thought
about
based
on
demographics,
population
licensed
persons
in
this
state
about
35
percent
of
our
population.
Maybe
40
percent
will
ultimately
choose
it.
G
We
want
to
deliver
the
best
options
for
kentuckians
and
since
I
last
visited
with
you
in
September
Terry
Sebastian,
who
is
here
with
me
today
and
runs
our
pop-up
program
and
I
undertook
a
major
project
of
visiting
all
32
Regional
Offices,
unannounced
random
visits
over
the
course
of
several
months,
observing
everything
from
signage
to
efficiency,
to
line
management,
to
wait
time
and
wait
times
for
issuances
ETC,
all
with
the
end
goal
of
improving
all
aspects
of
customer
service.
So,
while
we're
still
very
much
a
work
in
progress,
I
want
to
share.
G
What's
been
a
real
focus
of
customer
service
initiatives
in
the
last
year
we
added
cash
stations
at
every
office.
We
had
minimal
cash
stations
when
we
opened
mainly
because
we
had
minimal
employees
to
operate
those
we
added
cash
stations
and
we
added
were
indicated
more
cash
stations,
especially
as
we
started
noticing
and
taking
data
in
certain
regions
of
the
Commonwealth,
where
people
only
pay
by
cash.
So
we're
trying
to
to
sort
out
a
lot
of
these
metrics
and
a
lot
of
these
measurements.
We
also
are
testing
customer
service
friendly
kiosks.
G
These
kiosks
allow
you
to
perform
some
of
the
same
functions
you
could
perform
remotely.
In
other
words,
you
can
renew
a
real
ID
online,
so
you
can
do
it
at
the
kiosk.
You
can
make
an
appointment
online.
You
can
do
it
at
the
kiosk
we
found
by
having
these
we're
piloting
them,
seeing
how
many
offices
they
might
be
effective
in
they're
people
who
get
to
an
office.
G
There
is
a
way
if
they
don't
have
an
appointment
and
if
they're
told
the
wait
is
more
than
10
15
20
minutes
they
just
leave
and
say
they'll
come
back
another
day,
we're
training,
our
staff
has
been
helping
them
say
what?
What
service
do?
You
really
need
if
you're
only
here
to
renew
a
driver's
license
or
you're
only
you
know,
or
you
really
do-
need
an
appointment
for
a
real
ID.
G
Statewide
Saturday
hours
have
started
and
we
now
have
them
Statewide
they're
on
the
first
Saturday
of
every
month
and
they're,
not
by
appointment,
they're,
walking,
walk-ins,
and
we
are
currently
monitoring
the
the
use
of
the
customers
of
these
Saturday
hours,
trying
to
determine
and
again
that
may
be
a
regional
thing
and
we're
trying
to
determine
you
know
before
any
further
expansion
in
that
area.
G
We
have
increased
our
public
Outreach
within
communities,
festivals
and
fairs,
we're
finding
many
times,
towns
or
counties
would
suggest
we
close,
because
people
couldn't
get
downtown
during
a
festival
or
an
event,
and
we
would
do
what
was
asked
of
us,
because
we
figured
there'd
be
no
parking
and
no
accessibility.
G
Well,
we're
now
finding
get
there
be
open,
have
a
desk
out
front
because
people
are
coming
from
contiguous
counties
in
for
those
fairs
or
events,
and
we
can
renew
them
while
they're
there
or
we
can
explain
to
them
what
the
process
is
we're
doing
more
of
that
we're
doing
more
educational
work
and
we've
added
more
Library,
Partnerships
I
know:
Senator
Higdon
has
been
a
big
promoter
of
that
and
and
in
many
instances,
they've
been
great.
We've
had
libraries
that
hand
out
mail-in
forms
libraries
that
help
people
that
don't
have.
G
I
t
connections
get
on
and
renew
their
licenses
Etc.
We
also
during
this
time,
dispatched
what
I
call
specialized
training
teams
focusing
on
specific
items
like
door
management
issuance
protocols,
walk-in
appointment
management
and
cus
other
just
straight
customer
service
issues.
You
know,
may
I
help
you
not.
What
are
you
here
for
appointment,
walk-in
oversight?
More
study
has
been
given
to
the
this
I
have
to
tell
you.
It
varies
from
season
to
season.
G
It
varies
from
region
to
region
how
we
balance
the
walk-ins
versus
appointments,
and
there
are
some
regions
that
people
just
do
not
routinely
make
appointments.
So
in
that
instance,
we
open
far
more
walk-in
slots
a
day
than
appointments
we
have
seen
when
I
was
here
last
in
September,
we
were
finding
that
a
majority
of
our
offices
closed
to
walk-ins.
In
the
late
morning,
even
early
afternoon,
now
I
think
I
announced
to
you.
We
were
putting
it
online
when
we
were
closing
to
walk-ins
at
particular
offices.
G
I've,
been
monitoring
walk-ins
very
carefully
since
last
March
and
April
and
I
do
a
couple
random
checks
a
day.
I
rarely
see
our
offices
shutting
down
to
walk-ins.
That
means
they're
assessing
the
line,
even
as
late
as
three
o'clock
and
guaranteeing
that
those
people
in
line
will
make
it
through
by
the
end
of
the
day.
Now
it's
been
a
little
sketchy
for
the
last
week
or
two
because
I
think
we're
faced
like
every
every
operation.
G
Right
now,
as
there's
vacation
time,
plus
people
are
trying
to
get
get
their
appointments
taken
care,
while
they're
off
you
know
on
vacation,
also,
so
we're
working
hard
on
that.
Also
we're
monitoring
customer
credential
delivery,
making
sure
that
when
we
say
10
to
14
days,
the
vendor
is
getting
the
card
out
in
that
time,
where
it's
much
better.
The
United
States
Postal
Service
has
improved
its
delivery
rate
with
us.
G
We've
monitored
that
the
factory
has
tightened
up
its
Printing
and
delivery
times
and
then
there's
been
an
expansion
of
the
mail-in
renewal
in
its
first
iteration
mail-in
renewal
was
for
any
ID
that
you
currently
have.
You
could
renew
that
license
or
ID
card
real
or
standard.
You
could
renew
it
for
the
same
time
period.
So
if
you
had
a
four-year
license
by
mail-in,
you
could
only
get
it
renewed
for
four
years.
You
couldn't
choose
an
eight-year
option:
we're
now
giving
you
that
option.
G
So
now,
people
there's
no
reason
to
go
to
the
office
just
because
you
suddenly
want
yours
to
be
eight
years.
You
can
do
that
by
mail
if
that's
what
you
prefer
and
we've
also
enlarged
it
to
allow
for
name
changes
with
the
proper
documentation,
so
we're
adding
even
more
remote
functions
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
also
have
adjusted.
We
have
a
new
phone
system
for
our
customer
service
center.
It
is
more
efficient.
G
It
has
chat,
Bots
questions
and
answers
a
callback
option
and
it's
a
huge
modernization
effort
on
the
part
of
the
transportation,
cabinet
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
it
is
a
recent
Award
winner
for
the
best
application
serving
the
government
recently
awarded
by
government
technology
for
Kentucky.
So
we're
very
proud
of
that.
We
think
more
customers
are
getting
through
to
us
in
a
more
efficient
manner
in
a
manner
that
suits
their
Style
and
then
we
have
a
newly
launched
website
and
it
has
been
much
more
customer
friendly.
G
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
great
feedback
on
that.
So
that's
an
overview
of
some
I
probably
haven't
touched
on
everything,
but
those
are
some
main
customer
initiatives.
We've
been
working
really
hard
on
one
of
our
popular
remote
offerings
is
the
mobile
driver
licensing
program,
the
pop-up
program,
which
visits
each
Kentucky
county
that
does
not
host
a
regional
office.
We've
been
asked
today
to
just
share
some
program
highlights
from
that.
G
Terry
Sebastian,
who
works
out
of
the
office
of
the
commissioner
of
vehicle
regulation,
is
here
today
to
share
the
successes
of
the
program,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
all,
there's
a
lot
of
credit
to
be
due
him.
He
is
the
architect
of
the
program.
It
was
no
small
feat
as
when
the
program
was
initially
envisioned
and
the
program
is
statutory
when
it
was
in
initially
envisioned.
We
were
going
to
launch
the
pop-ups
from
Frankfurt
to
93
counties
for
a
total
of
215
plus
visits
a
year.
G
G
He
will
be
quick
to
tell
you
that
the
program
has
a
great
team
behind
it,
but
I
also
want
to
tell
you
that
most
recently,
the
pop-up
program
won
the
best
it
collaboration
among
organizations
award
at
the
government,
Technologies
recent
Kentucky
I.T
awards
ceremony,
and
we're
very
proud
of
that,
because
we
consider
that
pop-up
a
partnership
with
the
locals,
a
partnership
with
you
all
and
we've
we've
done
remarkably
with
it.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn.
G
A
D
First
of
all,
I'll
make
sure
I
give
Sarah
that
20
bucks.
For
those
last
last
comments,
my
name
is
Terry
Sebastian
I
work
in
the
I
got
this
one
on
on
in
the
Department
of
Vehicle
regulation
and,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
chairman
and
the
commemores
members
of
the
committee
for
having
us
here
today.
D
A
part
of
my
job
is
to
run
the
pop-up
driver's
license
program.
This
is
a
portable
program
that
is
just
one
of
our
remote
services
that
we
offer
kentuckians
across
the
state.
Now
many
of
you
all
here
today
are
familiar
with
the
program
over
the
last
two
years,
representative,
Upchurch
and
Senator.
Higdon
has
been
gracious
enough
to
have
the
program
over
to
this
very
building
to
demonstrate
its
ability-
and
we
appreciate
you
all
having
us
do
that,
and
we
may
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
take
the
invitation
for
2024..
D
We
issue
a
majority
of
real
IDs
pop-ups,
remotely
offer
any
service
that
the
Regional
Offices
offer
and
since
a
initial
real
ID
is
an
in-person
service.
The
pop-ups
are
beneficial
for
folks.
In
that
regard,
we
also
renew
CDLs
motorcycle
license
IDs
and
driver's
license,
but
we
also
assist
with
disasters
with
our
emergency
pop-up
program,
Western
Kentucky,
when
the
tornadoes
hit
several
years
ago.
Our
pop-up
program
was
the
first
on
the
ground.
We
had
gas
cans
and
generators
and
our
mobile
equipment
there.
D
At
the
beginning,
Eastern
Kentucky
floods,
we
held
nine
pop-ups
at
the
FEMA
centers
and
nine
different
counties
in
more
recent.
A
disaster
pop-up
was
a
local
fire
disaster
pop-up.
This
was
on
the
account
of
two
Hazard
apartment
fires
that
displaced
several
members
of
the
community
in
Perry
County
and
at
the
request
of
Representative
Fugate
and
representative
Blanton.
We
were
on
the
ground
and
the
handout
that
we
gave
you
guys
that
that
is
online.
D
You
know
again,
it
was.
It
was
the
collaboration,
but
the
most
important
thing
about
that
is.
You
cannot
get
state
or
federal
services
without
some
form
of
identification.
So
by
these
two
lawmakers
asking
us
to
come
there,
the
the
Western
Kentucky,
the
Eastern
Kentucky
disaster
pop-ups.
We
were
able
to
help
put
folks
back
on
a
track
for
their
lives
after
a
major
disaster,
and
the
collaboration
with
representative
fugit
and
representative
Blanton
has
been
at
the
Forefront
of
this
program
since
day,
one
it's.
D
So
so
why
the
county
judges,
the
county
judges,
are
trusted
leadership.
They
have
their
eyes
and
ears
to
the
ground.
They
know
the
best
locations
in
those
communities
for
residents
to
attend
the
pop-ups,
as
well
as
they're
able
to
get
the
word
out
through
their
offices
and
obviously
through
their
local
Partners
Terry.
A
I
hate
to
interrupt
you.
Yes,
our
time's
about.
A
And
thank
you
and
Sarah.
So
much
for
your
presentation.
We
have
a
few
questions.
We
like
say
if
I
have
about
five
minutes
left
this
there's
another
meeting
in
this
room
at
three
o'clock:
Senator
Turner.
Thank.
I
You
Mr,
chairman
and
I'll,
try
to
be
direct
to
the
questions
and
I'll
State
this
when
I
went
and
got
mine
here,
the
new
driver's
license
I
went
over
to
the
local
office
and
the
only
thing
they
did
is
had
me
fill
out
something
and
take
my
picture
and
say
this
going
to
Pennsylvania.
If
you
haven't
got
your
license
in
10
days,
call
us
and
we'll
see
what
the
problem
is.
Is
that
seal
the
same
process?
I
G
I
That
that's
the
first
question.
Thank
you
for
that.
The
couple
follow-up
Mr
this
one's
real
important
in
Harlan
County.
You
start
from
Harlem
it's
32
miles
to
Pineville,
where
the
office
is
my.
My
superintendent
of
both
the
high
schools
in
the
county
have
been
on
me
bad
because
their
students
miss
a
day's
work
a
day.
Schooling
to
go,
get
their
permit.
I
They
miss
another
day
to
go
with
their
driver's
license
and
somebody's
drive
to
drive
them
as
much
as
a
hundred
miles
round
trip
from
most
of
my
communities
from
Lynch
to
coming
to
everetts
to
over
Smith
whatever
and
sometimes
they'll
have
one
little
mistake
and
have
to
go
back
another
day
and
those
kids
don't
get
to
make
that
school
up.
We're
costing
two
days
for
every
kid
gets
his
driving
lesson.
I
You
know
that's
punished
by
any
other.
You
just
take
a
day
off
or
something
you're
going
to
get
punished
for
missing
school.
Before
this
system
started.
We
had
a
lady
officer
that
gave
the
permit
test
right
there
in
the
courthouse
in
Harlan,
a
little
bit
of
room
was
open
for
a
Judicial,
Center
and
I
always
ask
why
can't
she
one
day
or
he
one
day
a
week,
stop
there
and
let
the
kids
instead
them
Mission
high
school
or
put
a
room
out
at
the
high
school.
I
The
two
high
schools
there,
because
that's
where
pretty
much
everybody's
getting
their
permits.
It
ain't,
no
people,
but
that's
ongoing
and
I,
don't
see
why
we
can't
make
a
simple
change,
because
I'm
gonna
get
the
data
of
how
many
kids,
how
much
education,
they've
lost
and
I'd
like
to
have
some
financial
data.
I'll
ask
this
afterwards.
I
mean
some
data
about
how
many
people
go
to
Harlan
from
there.
I
want
to
get
some
data
from
the
Pineville
office
to
see
what
it's
happening.
A
U
I
A
Going
to
answer
that
yeah,
it's
under
discussion,
yeah
State
Police
takes:
does
that
not
not
necessarily
Sarah
and
Herb
folks,
representative,
representative,
Blanton
and
I?
That's
one
of
our
top
goals
is
to
get
get
something
done.
Make
some
steps
to
keep
those
kids
from
missing
two
days
of
school
if
they're,
lucky
I'm,
hearing
kids
missing
four
or
five
days
of
school,
because
a
lot
of
them
are
not
passing
their
written
test
on
the
first
time.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
Sarah,
you
know
the
question
I'm
going
to
ask
already.
First
off
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you.
You
have
been
very
willing
to
continuously
work
with
me
over
the
last
few
years
on
this.
So
my
first
question
is:
what
is
an
update
in
Hardin,
County,
okay,.
G
The
first
part
of
the
update
is
that
at
last
report
there
was
still
some
back
and
forth
on
floor
plans
for
the
new
office.
I
think
you
may
I
may
not
have
explained
this.
There's
been
a
lapse.
We
were
on
target
to
have
a
new
office
and
the
landlords
shifted.
In
other
words,
new
landlords
came
in
and
assumed
that
property.
So
now
we're
dealing
with
new
landlords.
G
That's
the
delay,
but
we're
hopeful
with
the
finance
cabinet
working
diligently
on
us
with
the
landlord
that
we're
going
to
get
the
get
that
finalized
and
fit
up
the
question
about.
Why
that's
so
important
is
that
the
layout
of
the
current
office
is
just
not
workable.
It
isn't
time
efficient.
It
isn't
good
for
the
visitors
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
with
it.
So
I
do
want
to
mention
that
the
E-Town
Regional
current
location
has
improved
markedly
I.
Myself
have
been
down
there
many
times
compared
to
others.
G
We've
sent
those
special
teams
down
there
they're
an
office
that
have
an
unusually
high
number
of
walk-ins,
so
we
adjusted
the
schedule
and
we
make
less
time
for
appointments
and
more
slots
for
walk-ins
and
they
have
hardly
closed
to
walk-ins
in
the
last
three
months
or
so,
and
they
are
one
of
the
ones
that
have
the
pilot
kiosk
project
and
we've
just
worked
really
hard.
I'm
I'm
actually
proud
of
the
of
the
of
the
progress
we've
made
there
now.
Is
it
perfect?
G
A
I'm
sorry
I'll
come
back
to
you,
yeah
ask
after
it
representative.
V
Herron,
thank
you.
I
have
a
I'll
be
really
quick.
I
have
not
been
a
huge
fan
of
these
Regional
Offices
I
actually
lost
my
real
ID
and
had
to
go
get
a
replacement
and
I
went
to
one
facility
was
in
line
at
three
o'clock
at
3
45.
They
said
we're
not
taking
any
more
appointments
and
I
had
to
go
back
to
another
facility
the
next
day
and
so
for
me.
Obviously,
I
have
a
vehicle
I'm
able
to
move
about
in
the
city,
and
so
one
of
my
concerns
is.
V
Is
that
what
does
this
mean
for
folks
who
don't
have
access
to
transportation
and
then,
as
it
sounds
like
representative,
Heather
and
and
Turner
are
talking
about
folks
who
don't
have
a
regional
facility
in
their
County?
So
so
this
new
way
has
been
very
frustrating
for
myself.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
But
then
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
kiosk.
How
many
of
those
kiosks
are
in
the
Jefferson
County
offices,
I.
G
Do
not
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
in
Jefferson
County
right
now,
but
we're
getting
that's.
Why
we're
testing
it
a
little
in
the
outlying,
because
I
don't
want
to
add
more
confusion
to
the
busy
busy
offices,
but
they
are
that's
my
goal
if
they're
working
in
the
other
offices
and
people
are
availing
themselves
of
that
opportunity,
those
are
the
kinds
of
places
that
it
will
really
help.
Okay,
thank.
G
Sorry
that
you
will
work
harder
at
education
because
when
you
lose
a
driver's
license
or
it's
stolen,
that's
enough
afford
that's
what
you
can
do
by
mail
too,
and
you
should
not
have
been
told.
While
you
were
standing
in
line,
we've
worked
harder
and
harder
at
that,
but
at
any
rate,
thank
you
for.
U
G
We're
as
with
some
other
offices,
we're
in
a
little
flux
with
Staffing,
we
rely
heavily
still
on
some
temporary
staff
and
we're
working
on
adding
to
the
permanent
staff.
We've
extended,
our
reach
of
branch
managers
that
supervise
more
than
one
office,
so
we're
working
very
hard
on
it.
The
Danville
office
is
certainly
a
priority
in
that
mix.