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G
J
Thank
you,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
we
will
proceed
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
june
1st
2021
meeting.
So
we
have,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
say,
nine
all.
E
J
Opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
We
have
a
very
lengthy
agenda
today,
some
important
issues
so
we'll
start
off
with
sarah
jackson,
with
the
kentucky
transportation
cabinet
and
please
come
forward
and
and
if
you
all
would
introduce
yourself
for
the
record-
and
I
will
say
that
sarah
jackson
is
working
with
the
real
id
project
and
the
implementation
of
the
district
driver's
license
offices
across
the
state.
J
She
her
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
recently
and
she's,
been
very
receptive
and
and
and
and
listened
to
all
my
concerns
and
it's
going
to
be
a
concern
of
each
and
every
one
of
you
in
the
room
as
we
transition
from
the
circuit
court
clerks
to
those
regional
offices.
So
sarah's
is
very
good
about
answering
your
calls.
J
If
you
have
an
issue,
please
give
her
a
call
because,
like
I
said
that
they're
we're
trying
to
get
through
this
transition
as
smoothly
as
as
we
can
and,
like
I
said,
they've
been
very
open
and
and
really
worked
to
try
to
take
care
of
all
the
issues
that
have
come
up
so
far.
So
with
what
that
said,
sarah
please
identify
yourself
and
have
your
guests
identify
themselves
and
please
proceed.
K
So
I'm
going
to
kick
off,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
senator
higdon
is
correct.
He
and
I
have
had
many
conversations.
I
think
he
kicked
off
my
fourth
of
july
weekend
for
me,
so
I
thank
him
for
that,
but
I'm
open
to
any
of
your
calls
at
any
time,
because
we
do
want
to
get
this
right.
K
What
I
can't
solve
for
you
all
is
that
we
are
moving
from
a
county
by
county
model
to
a
regional
model,
but
I
can
help
you
as
I
try
to
help
circuit
clerks
daily
transition,
their
folks
off
licensing,
as
they
have
known
it
for
many
many
years
today,
we're
going
to
go
over
three
areas
and
our
presentations
will
be
very
brief.
We're
going
to
I'm
going
to
talk
briefly
about
the
establishment
of
transportation
regional
offices.
K
I'm
commissioner
cole
will
talk
about
the
continued
progress
on
the
circuit
clerk,
transitioning
and
steve
coffee
is
with
us
to
demo.
It
will
take
a
very
short
amount
of
time
and
it
would
be
as
if
you
were
sitting
in
your
office
study
at
home
or
your
living
room.
Renewing
your
license
online.
It's
a
very
new
launch
that
we've
had
and
so
far
has
proved
very
successful
and
is
yet
another
option
for
kentucky
drivers.
K
There
is
a
fact
sheet
that
each
of
you
should
have
been
given
and
we're
going
to
keep
each
month
updating
these
fact
sheets,
but
I
particularly
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
top
map
on
the
fact
sheet.
As
you
can
see.
Looking
at
it,
we've
established
18
regional
offices
across
the
commonwealth,
with
a
special
note
that
one
which
is
located
at
louisville's
bowman
field
is
temporary,
because
on
that
same
site
we
will
be
moving
into
a
much
larger
facility,
so
the
18th
office
is
actually
a
permanent
site.
K
Now
you
can
quickly
see
from
the
map
that
there
are
holes
to
be
filled.
We
are
working
diligently
to
fill
those
holes
and
we
are
by
no
means
finished.
We
have
two
more
offices
opening
soon
one
in
hopkinsville,
one
in
manchester
we're
in
various
stages
of
development
of
a
final
wave
of
offices
numbering
about
10
to
11
more.
We
continue
to
forge
ahead
with
the
guidance
of
the
finance
cabinets,
division
of
real
properties,
and
we
will
continue
to
share
with
you
those
locations
once
leases
are
signed.
K
When
this
project
first
started
before,
commissioner
cole
was
in
his
position
and
before
I
joined
the
transportation
cabinet,
I
believe
the
plan
was
for
15
regional
offices.
We
have
adjusted
the
net
number
up
considerably
from
15
to
nearly
double
that
number
30
or
31.
Probably-
and
I
want
to
assure
you
that,
even
when
we
think
we
are
done,
we
will
constantly
monitor
and
evaluate
if
more
are
needed
budget
permitting.
K
But
that
said,
I
will
remind
you
and
it's
my
task
to
remind
you
every
time,
I'm
here
we're
moving
to
a
regional
issuance
model,
and
that
means
we're
no
longer
going
to
have
county
by
county.
It
is
a
sea
change
for
kentuckians,
but
I
do
believe
you
will
continue
to
see
us
offering
more
choices
than
the
traditional
walking
in
to
a
licensing
office
for
a
renewal
or
a
license.
K
Those
those
changes
include
longer
licensing
periods
to
eight
years.
It
includes
appointment,
scheduling,
it
includes
an
online
renewal.
It
includes
a
pop-up
program
that
you
all
wisely
added
to
house
bill
453,
which
involves
taking
mobile
units
to
counties
that
don't
have
regional
offices.
So
I
do
want
you
to
know
that
it
is
a
full
complement
of
offerings
and
services
and
not
just
we've
got
to
stop
thinking
the
traditional
way
of
of
getting
in
a
car
driving
to
the
local
circuit
clerk
walking
in
the
office
and
having
your
license
issued.
K
There
are
going
to
be
many
more
ways
that
you
can
achieve
that
same
goal,
going
forward
in
standing
up
the
regional
offices,
we're
driven
by
an
overriding
focus,
I
think,
on
all
kentuckians
and
how
to
best
provide
access
to
all
so
I'm
going
to
now.
Let
commissioner
cole
update
you
and
again,
if
you'll
turn
to
the
fact
sheet,
he
can
update
you
on
the
transitioning
of
the
circuit
clerk
duties.
L
Yes,
very
well
done.
Sarah,
we
are
transitioning
of
the
clerks
now
at
about
a
rate
of
10
counties
per
month.
Once
we
get
to
september,
we
will
be
through
60
counties,
so
that'll
put
us
over
halfway
through
the
counties
right
now
we're
currently
at
a
third
once
we
introduce
these
last
10
the
third
week
of
july.
L
The
good
news
is:
is
we've
already
surpassed
and
broke
the
milestone
of
issuing
over
half
of
the
daily
volume?
So
it
just
goes
to
show
that
we're
taking
the
load
on
now
we're
taking
the
the
heavier
portion
of
it
to
help
ease
that
transition
at
the
circuit
clerk
levels.
So
we
just
got
done
speaking
with
them
at
their
circuit
clerk
college
last
week
and
everything
is
going
very
smoothly
with
them.
L
They
love
that
we've
provided
them
a
voice
in
this
process
and
we've
listened
to
them
by
listening
to
their
feedback,
making
sure
that
we're
meeting
all
of
their
needs
a
lot
of
their
biggest
concerns
with
everyone
else
is.
Do
we
have
a
part
of
the
program
that
will
equally
represent
everyone,
and
we
think
with
the
the
online
that
we're
getting
ready
to
display
and
then
with
the
mobile
units
that
we're
bringing
to
counties,
there's
literally
something
for
everybody,
so
we're
very
pleased
at
the
progress
so
far.
L
The
circuit
clerks
have
been
very
pleased
and,
and
we're
excited
just
to
keep
rolling
out
these
new
innovations
as
we
go
to
make
it
easier
for
everybody
to
get
a
license
when
and
where
they
want
to
do
that.
At
this
time,
we'll
go
ahead
and
let
steve
do
his
demonstration
and
at
that
point
we'll
take
any
questions
you
may
have.
G
Thank
you
very
much
matt
and
sarah.
So
so
what
happens?
M
J
J
N
G
Now
we're
cooking
there's,
always
a
technology
little
changes
and
things
are
at
your
desk.
No,
we
want
you
to
do
it
over
here.
It's
like
okay,
so
it's
always
a
little
challenging
all
these
things
so,
but
we're
up
and
going
so.
This
is
the
page
that
that
we
got
up
once
we
once
we
got
the
the
duties
of
of
trying
to
do
licenses,
we've
always
tried
to
figure.
How
do
we
do
it
better?
How
can
transportation
take
it
to
that
next
level
out?
How
can
we
offer
more
services
that
are
out
there?
G
Pull
it
closer
to
you,
it's
got
a
green
light.
Okay,
let's
pull
this
over
here
all
right,
so
this
is
this
is
the
version
that
that
we
have.
We
issued,
of
course,
the
real
id.
That's
the
the
new
standard
and
the
old
standard.
From
from
this,
this
application,
the
the
front
page,
the
launching
page
there
from
the
transportation
website,
tells
you
who
can
who
is
eligible
and
in
a
nutshell,
it's
if
your
license,
there's
nothing
on
your
license.
G
G
G
Okay,
so
enter
the
information
and
verify
we.
We
ask
you
to
take
your
license
out
and
verify
with
with
the
information
h0397719
and
eight
three
four,
three
all
right.
So
this
is
the
same
information
that
we
would
see
on
to
the
regional
offices
that
asked
you,
those
those
those
medical
questions,
and,
at
this
point
it's
sent
off
to
the
national
driver
register
and
to
to
check
if
you're
suspended
in
another
state.
G
It
goes
off
to
the
social
security
administration
to
to
check,
make
sure
the
information
is
solid
and
good
and
to
sidlis
and
we'll
come
come
back
and
then
we'll
get
right
into
the
the
remainder
of
the
application
brings
back.
The
address
you've
got
to
have
a
good
address
in
order
to
bring
back
the
information
to
mail
to
mail,
you
the
the
the
license.
G
So
on
this
one
we
have
a
physical
address.
That's
on
the
license.
The
postal
address
is
where
you
get
your
mail,
so
if
with
these
are
right,
then
we're
ready
to
to
click.
Yes,
if
those,
if
that
information
was
to
change,
then
we
have
to
get
the
documentation
in
the
office
and
we
got
an
organ
donor
question.
This
person
was
was
already
an
organ
donor,
so
we
bypassed
the
first
question.
Would
you
like
to
save
lives?
G
G
And
here's
a
there's:
the
information
over
there
we've
got
the
oregon
donation
amount
of
two
dollars,
we're
renewing
a
standard,
four-year
operator,
motorcycle
you're,
going
to
see
that
the
totals
there
and
the
service
fee
the
service
fee
is
is
less
than
a
dollar.
It's
I
don't
know
what
it
is
with
this
one.
I
can't
see
it
so
you
see
it
there
78
cents,
okay,
all
right
there.
It
is
perfect
all
right,
perfect.
G
G
G
G
G
Let
me
finish
up
and
here's
where
we
thank
you
and
please
print
your
receipt.
Keep
it
with
your
current
license.
Do
the
other
one
arrives
in
the
mail
like
a
registered
boat?
We
go
on
to
the
website
there.
You
can
do
that
emergency
contact
information.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
Now.
We're
done.
Okay,.
J
G
K
J
Okay,
one
thing
you
know:
we've
we
have
some
constituents
that
are
that
don't
have
access.
We
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
don't
have
access
to
internet
or
don't
are
not
computer
literate
or
just
various
reasons.
Hopefully
we
can
pick
up
some
partners
along
the
way,
like
the
libraries
or
somebody
that
will
help
these
constituents
when
they
and
want
to
get
their
license,
that
they
can
go
and
get
some
help.
We
have
some
questions.
First,
one
up
is
senator.
B
O
B
L
L
B
L
Coordinating
with
local
officials
in
the
county
to
set
up
computers
that
they
already
have,
because
all
you
need
is
just
typical
internet
access,
there's,
no
special
requirements
and
the
thing
that
we
want
to
remind
them
that
steve's,
showing
is
is
people
can
do
it
from
their
cell
phones.
So
they
don't
have
to
have
home
internet.
L
G
L
G
If
you
do
are
not
successful,
you
you
get
a
worse
page,
and
you
know
you
need
to
make
sure
the
information
is
entered
right
most
almost
all
the
time.
The
information
is
not
entered,
enter
correctly
name
and
date
of
birth,
a
little
date
of
birth
on
the
phone
is,
it
can
be
a
little
tricky,
but
there
is
a
phone
number
and
a
help,
help
number
there
in
which
a
lot
of
those
folks.
If
they
get
them,
they
will
help
the
person
enter
in
the
information
correctly.
So.
K
E
G
J
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
along.
Thank
you.
Brandon
senator
smith
did
text
his
question
in
and
he
was
concerned
about
sarah,
and
you
can
explain
this
concern
about
payment
options
that
they're
very
limited
right
now,
and
so
would
you
please
explain.
What's
going
on
with
that.
J
K
Sir,
we
are
set
up
currently
to
take
debit
or
credit
card
in
all
of
the
regional
offices.
We
understand
we
are
to
take
checks
and
cash.
We
have
not
quite
gotten
set
up
for
that,
but
we
have
been
working
in
earnest
towards
it.
It
involves
setting
up
bank
accounts
in
every
location
where
we
have
a
regional
office,
we're
already
busy
at
work
with
that,
but
primarily
we
have
relied
on
temporary
staffing
in
order
to
get
staff
up
to
a
full
complement
and
the
agreement
with
temporary
agencies.
E
Some
people,
actually
don't
have
credit
cards
or
debit
cards
or
the
ones
that
they
do
have
the
complaints
I've
been
getting
are
not
accepted
or
something's
going
on,
where
either
the
systems
are
down
or
offline
or
their
cards
are
being
declined.
So
I
do
think
we
need
to
speed
up.
E
L
Absolutely
we're
making
it
a
priority.
Like
I
say,
the
the
pilot
program
and
frankfurt's
already
been
very
successful,
and
now
we
can
just
roll
that
out
to
other
locations.
It
does
take
a
little
bit
of
time
to
set
it
up.
Just
do
the
financial
portion
of
it,
but
we've
got
a
good
plan
in
place
and
we'll
continue
to
execute
it.
Okay,
representative.
K
Yes,
sir,
until
may
of
2023.
K
F
L
L
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
all
for
your
testimony
today
I'll
make
this
quick.
I
believe
there
was,
I
believe
I
heard
this
mentioned,
but
with
regards
to
the
regional
offices,
there
are
some
gaps
in
the
state,
especially
when
you
look
at
southeastern
kentucky.
Are
those
going
to
be
filled
or
is
there
a
plan
in
place.
K
D
K
E
H
K
H
K
H
H
H
I've
heard
some
feedback
on
that
on
getting
the
appointments,
but
I
guess
the
reason
I
mentioned
corbin
is
because
in
looking
for
a
regional
area,
do
you
think,
do
you
have
a
formula
that
you
don't
want
somebody
to
drive
over
a
certain
number
of
hours,
we're
looking
at
five
hours
to
come
from
everett's
to
somerset?
Can
do
you
have
a
timeline
kind
of
like
the
bus
districts?
Try
to
do
in
getting
kids
to
school.
L
L
Well,
we
do
that
in
balance
not
between
just
geographic
but
also
population
centers
as
well.
So,
like
sarah
mentioned
in
her
opening
statements,
those
five
or
six
criteria,
we
use
all
of
those
for
for
developing
where
the
next
locations
will
be,
and
then
we
also
look
to
see
what
traffic
go
to
the
existing
ones
and
then,
where
that
leaves
gaps.
So
after
a
while
it
starts
to
kind
of
tell
you
exactly
the
right
spot
to
be.
H
L
H
Well
again,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
get
this
said
because
it's
going
to
be
a
a
bomb
one
day
when
all
this
transitions,
they
can't
go
to
the
courthouse
anymore
to
get
their
driver's
license,
and
I
just
want
to
be
on
as
saying
this
that
they
have
a
very
short
drive
right
now
going
to
the
courthouse
and
if
we
get
into
a
three
to
five
hour,
drive
we're
going
to
have
a
mess.
L
H
J
H
E
Just
a
couple
quick
questions:
you
said
there
was
a
telephone
number.
So
when
you,
when
you
are
you
talking
about
for
for
a
help
option,
are
you
talking
about
a
telephone
number
that's
available
online?
If
you're
having
trouble
filling
it
out,
can
they
find
it
online.
E
Okay,
great
and
you
know
we
do
have
an
office
open
in
floyd
county,
and
I
do
know
that
that
office
is
doing
very
well
transitioning
very
well.
We
don't
have
long
appointment
times,
but
I
do
want
to
know
for
some
of
our
surrounding
counties.
I
do
also
see
that
mcgoffin
counties
may
be
on
this
list
in
transition,
but
I
do
want
to
ask
for
our
neighbors,
such
as
pike
county
with
these
mobile
units.
Do
we
have
some
sort
of
projection
as
to
how
many
times
they'll
visit
or
and
possibly
where
they'll
visit
like?
L
Are
we
going
to
try
to
make
it
easy
for
people
we're
coordinating
the
the
program
with
the
local
officials
that
way
we
can
kind
of
have
a
collaborative
approach
finding
where's
the
best
place
to
come,
whether
it's
a
community
center
courthouse
conference
room,
whatever
the
the
local
population
decides
it's
best
we're
glad
to
show
up
anywhere
that
has
electricity
and
wi-fi
okay.
E
O
E
For
several
years
now,
my
question
is:
who
is
collecting
the
data
that
we're
now
putting
in
for
the
real
id?
Is
that
a
kentucky,
a
kentucky
office?
That's
staying
in
kentucky,
or
is
this
information
being
handled
by
a
third
party?
And
if
so,
is
that
third
party
outside
of
the
boundaries
is
it
out
in
the
state
of
kentucky?
Is
it
out
in
the
country,
but
just
tell
me,
on
who's
handling
this
information
that
we're
giving
where
is
it
being
processed
and
who
has
access
to.
P
J
Okay,
we're
running
short
on
time.
Thank
you,
senator
smith,
very
good
discussion
and,
like
I
said
we,
we
plan
to
have
you
here
every
month
to
keep
us
updated
and
we
certainly
appreciate
your
work.
I
will
tell
the
members
that
sarah
jackson
is
very
good
on
calling
the
community
if
you
need
her
to
call
the
radio
station
do
an
interview.
Communication
is
key
in
this
transition
and,
like
I
said,
she's
very
good
at
explaining
it
and
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
a
smooth
transition.
J
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
your
work
and
I
really
do
appreciate
you
working
your
dedication
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
smooth
transition.
Thank
you.
J
Captain
captain
marshall,
johnson
and
major
day
the
floor
is
yours:
if
you
don't
mind,
identify
yourself
and,
and
please
proceed,
we're
talking
about
the
conversion
or
to
regional
offices
of
our
regional.
J
P
I'm
captain
marshall
johnson,
I'm
the
commander
of
the
driver,
testing
branch
for
ksp
and,
on
behalf
of
commissioner
burnett
and
the
state
police,
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
regional
testing
plans
and
what
we,
what
we
would
like
to
try
to
do
is
convey
some
information
today
that,
hopefully,
is
helpful
to
everyone.
P
The
we
realize
that
there
are
a
number
of
questions
about
the
process,
it's
heavily
tied
to
the
transition
of
the
circuit
court
clerks
and
their
responsibilities
over
to
transportation.
So
hopefully
I
can
offer
some
information
that
is
helpful
to
everyone.
P
So,
in
an
effort
just
to
support
the
transportation
cabinet
and
to
streamline
that
entire
process,
we
too
will
regionalize
our
testing
services,
so
applicants
who
are
required
to
test
you
know
for
vision
or
screening,
any
kind
of
testing
they
need
to
obtain
their
license
or
permit
we'll
be
taking
care
of
that
and
we
hope
to
have
it
all
in
the
same
place.
So
you've
heard
already
that
there
are
a
number
of
locations
18
that
are
already
up
there,
that
are
they're
already
established
and
more
to
come.
P
Our
hope
is
to
have
a
presence
at
each
of
those
locations
and
sometimes
less
in
others
in
some
than
others,
but
we
hope
to
eventually
have
a
presence
in
each
of
those
locations.
P
In
some
cases,
ksp
has
already
made
the
decision
to
regionalize
testing
in
advance
of
that
transition
of
licensing
services
and,
and
what
this
does
for
us
is.
It
allows
us
to
maximize
our
resources
and
provide
provide
a
more
efficient
testing
process
for
the
for
the
people
that
patronize
our
services.
P
P
We
switched
that
testing
site
to
a
regional
location
here
recently
and
what
that
does
is
allow
us
to
offer
testing
monday
through
friday
and
all
day
for
each
testing
service,
that
testing
platform
that
we
have
so
just
the
availability
of
it
all
really
exceeds
and
and
in
some
cases,
far
exceeds
what
you
what
we
could
offer
on
a
county
by
county
platform.
P
The
thing
to
remember
is
that
there
is
a
transition.
We
would
encourage
the
patients
of
everyone
as
we
switch
these
long
time.
P
Historical
historically,
you
know,
we've
been
counting
by
county
and
we've
got
great
relationships
with
the
clerks
and
and
even
better
relationships
with
transportation
cabinet,
but
it
is
a
transition,
as
they
learn
new
the
new
roads,
new
processes
and
and
the
inner
workings
of
those
relationships.
Even
at
the
regional
locations.
We
will
continuously
examine
those
situations
and
try
to
offer
as
many
appointments
in
the
most
efficient
way
as
we
can
outside
of
that.
P
There
are
multiple
image
administrators
in
that
setting,
so
that
in
a
county
by
county
setting
more
often
than
not,
you
would
have
one
examiner
that
would
cover
multiple
counties.
They
would
be
in
one
location
on
tuesday
and
wednesday
and
monday
when
you
know
monday,
when
monday
thursday
and
friday,
in
totally
different
county
with
no
no
backup
for
those
for
those
appointments.
P
So
here
in
a
regional
setting,
I
know
I
can
more
more
reasonably
guarantee
that
if
we
have
someone
out
sick,
we
got
a
child
sick,
just
life
happens,
and
so,
when
we
have
multiple
examiners
in
the
same
place,
I
can
more
so
guarantee
that
we
don't
have
to
cancel
those
appointments
and
business
will
continue
as
as
usual
for
us
regionalizing.
The
testing
services
has
already
begun.
P
Ksp
has
already
announced
regional
testing
sites
in
catlettsburg,
columbia,
frankfurt,
lisbon,
town,
jackson,
moorhead,
prestonsburg
and
somerset.
So
additional
offices,
as
mentioned,
are
under
the
development
of
in
connection
with
kytc
and
and
what
they're
building
out
trying
to
fill
those
holes.
Those
holes
are
equally
the
same
for
us.
P
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
reach
every
population
that
no
one
in
particular
has
to
drive
a
significant
diff
distance,
so
we'll
we'll
we'll
try
to
occupy
and
work
with
transportation
in
every
location
that
they
open,
while
much
of
our
effort
has
been
concentrated
in
central
and
eastern
kentucky.
At
this
point,
we're
also
working
on
northern
and
western
kentucky
locations
to
also
open,
miss
jackson,
I'll
mention
hopkinsville
manchester
we're
continuously
in
conversation
with
them.
P
So
we
can
be
as
much
on
the
same
page
as
they
are
in
the
meantime,
we'll
continue
to
work
with
the
local
officials
in
those
areas
to
have
no
interruption
in
the
testing
services
in
those
areas
that
are
already
open.
We
are
hearing
significant
feedback.
The
trend
that
we're
seeing
is
there's
a
rush
of
appointments
right
right
at
the
beginning,
and
then
it
tapers
off
where
you
can
get
you
can
get
in
and
get
an
appointment
right
away
in
jackson,
katlinsburg,
columbia,
moorhead.
P
If
you
went
on
to
our
website
right
now,
you
could
get
an
appointment
within
the
next
day
or
so
or
next
week.
Some
are
more
further
out
couple
of
weeks,
three
weeks
than
that
somewhat
by
design
trying
to
keep
it
compact
and
keep
it
so
that
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
no-shows
which
tends
to
exist
or
create
itself,
as
you
get
further
out
from
your
appointment
time.
P
People
just
forget
so
right
now
we're
the
road
test
seems
to
be
trending
in
the
same
way,
so
we're
seeing
the
benefits
already
of
the
regionalization
of
our
testing
sites.
We've
also
heard
about
the
hardship
in
terms
of
driving
and
that's
something
again.
We've
already
talked
about.
P
We
understand
that,
for
some
you
have
a
significant
drive
and
some
are
right
around
the
corner,
but
we're
continuing
to
work
with
transportation
to
make
sure
we
again
fill
in
the
holes,
make
sure
that
there
are
locations
that
can
have
access
to
the
testing
services
that
we
have
without
significant
impediment
or
obstacles
for
them.
P
Here
recently,
one
of
I
guess
I
should
say
also
that
there
are
other
considerations
on
how
we
are
testing,
why
we
deciding
we
are
deciding
to
regionalize
in
some
places
and
not
others
right
away.
Part
of
the
consideration
is:
is
the
personnel,
so
the
county
by
county
set
up
that
we
had
before
those
were
highly
dependent
upon
one
person,
one
examiner
covering
and
being
assigned
to
a
certain
population.
P
So
we've
tried
to
keep
those
populations
paired
up
with
the
examiner,
bear
in
mind
that
wherever
we
send
them,
they
have
to
travel
as
well.
So
we
understand
that
if
we,
if
we're
having
a
examiner
or
administrator
travel
for
an
hour,
we
also
had
to
we
had
to
consider
their
their
travel
time,
their
expenses
their
their
time
and
effort.
P
So
moving
from
that
county
by
county
model,
we
have
to
figure
that
in
as
well
so
we're
just
trying
trying
to
keep
everything
together
and
make
sure
that
we
can't
we
can
continue
to
offer
services
and-
and
that's
not
interrupted
at
all.
Oldham
county
has
been
one.
That's
come
up
here
recently,
so
it's
a
good
example
because
for
some
they
might
be
closer
to
louisville.
P
However,
louisville's
already
got
their
own
population
that
we're
trying
to
deal
with
and
and
get
additional
testing
for
and
provide
additional
services
for
so
ultimately,
they
end
up
standing
at
the
back
of
a
long
line
in
louisville
versus
being
able
to
go
in
next
week
in
frankfort.
So
those
are
some
of
the
considerations
as
well.
We
recognize
there
are
some
spots
that
still
have
some
needs
for
additional
testing
and
needs
for
additional
service
that
services
that
we
provide.
P
So
in
closing,
our
our
ultimate
goal
is
just
really
to
be
have
every
person
to
be
able
to
test
whenever
and
wherever
they
want
to
test,
but
the
in
the
meantime.
P
If
someone
calls
to
say
my
office
to
say
that
I
need
this
for
work
or
I
need
this,
for
some
other
reason
we're
working
those
situations
out
and
we
won't
let
anybody
go
without
if
we
can
help
it
so
and
finally,
we
just
want
to
reduce
reduce
the
wait
times
at
our
locations.
We
know
that
that's
an
issue
as
well,
so
I'll
take
any
questions.
Well,.
J
J
But
I
guess
my
understanding
is
that
that
a
young
person
comes
takes
a
driver's
test,
they
will
be
able
to
get
their
driver's
license
or
their
permit,
while
they're
there
that
day,
there
will
not
be.
They
won't
have
to
make
another
trip
back
to
the
regional
office
to
get
that
they'll
be
available
that
day
when
they
take
their
driver's
testing.
P
In
the
regional
locations,
the
the
the
setup
is
in
the
same
place,
so
we
don't
want
to
have
people
going.
You
know
going
to
frankfort
then
have
to
do
it,
go
to
a
whole
another
county
to
get
their
actual
issuance
and
they'll
flow
into
the
through
the
transportation
process.
After
they're
done
testing
with
us.
J
P
Yes,
sir,
we
have,
and
but
right
now
we're
we
have
instituted
or
started
the
process
of
again
implementing
a
large,
a
large
scale
update
to
our
auto
test
system,
which
will
make
all
of
this
much
more
efficient,
getting
out
of
many
many
centuries
behind.
In
terms
of
our
testing
process.
Many
counties
we
just
offer
a
written
test.
P
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
job
that
you're
doing
you
know.
I
know
we
all
are
kind
of
suffering
through
all
this
and
it's
not
a
predicament
that
we
any
of
us
ask
for
having
to
move
everything
to
regional.
You
know
it
goes
back
a
couple
years
ago
to
the
circuit
court,
clerks
association,
basically
refusal
to
issue
the
real
ids
and
that
threw
everything
into
a
a
lot
of
turmoil,
especially
on
some
of
us
here
in
the
legislature,
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
were
going
to
navigate
this.
I
You
know
we
were
sent
a
letter
from
the
clerk's
association,
stating
you
know
that
that
exact
fact
that
they
would
no
longer
be
participating
in
the
issuance
of
real
id,
and
we
can't
have
two
different
issuing
agencies
issuing
really
regular
driver's
licenses
and
real
ids,
so
that
really
threw
us
into
a
turmoil,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
reason
we're
here
today
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
trying
to
figure
out
why
you
know
why
the
heck
are
we
just
now
or
why
are
we
going
through
this
process?
I
Everything
seemed
to
be
doing
fine
up
until
then,
but
we
all
got
a
kink
in
the
plan.
You
know
based
on
that
letter
and
that
refusal
to
follow
through
with
the
job
at
hand
as
as
far
as
issuing
those
real
ids,
and
so
we
had
to
figure
out
a
plan,
and
so
here
we
are
and
sarah
thank
you
for
the
job
that
you
all
are
doing
and
then
moving
the
driver's
license.
I
Testing
to
the
regional
model
is,
is
just
part
of
that,
but
it's
it's
going
to
be
cumbersome
and
it
already
is
cumbersome.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people,
that's
upset
over
it,
but
the
education
process
that
we've
got
to
go
through
and
then
you
know
doing
it
online,
I
think,
is
simplifying
things
where
you
can
direct
people
to
that
website
that
they
can
renew
online.
I
Hopefully
we'll
get
to
the
point
where
they
can
take
their
own
picture
and
send
that
to
you,
because
you
know
some
people
don't
like
their
driver's
license
picture.
But
you
know
that's
kind
of
some
of
the
history
of
the
background
why
we
are
where
we
are
today
and
if
anyone
any
of
you
all,
would
like
to
see
that
letter,
I
know
senator
higdon's
got
a
copy.
I've
got
a
copy
of
it.
We
would
be
happy
to
disseminate
that
to
any
of
the
members.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mister.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
for
a
young
person
who's
going
for
their
driver's
license,
but
previously
they
could
go
to
their
county,
their
county
seat
and
practice
their
their
route
to
to
get
their
drivers
license
now
they're
going
to
have
to
drive
maybe
two
hours
or
something
gonna
drop
in
there
two
hours
just
to
take
their
tests,
which
they
probably
haven't,
had
much
opportunity
to
practice
because
it's
located
two
hours
away.
P
P
The
hope
is
that
parents
driving
schools,
anybody,
that's
providing
instruction
in
terms
of
driving
teach
their
kids,
how
to
drive
and
not-
and
and
that's
not
inclusive,
of
a
specific
road
or
specific
course
that,
if,
if,
if
you
have
the,
if
you
can
complete
the
appropriate
maneuvers
that
are
included
in
that
that
we
score
you
on
that,
you'll
be
able
to
do
those
in
any
in
any
locale
any
location
on
any
street
and
highway,
because
that's
what
they
ultimately
have
to
do
once
we
cut
them
loose
and
be
out
on
the
road.
P
So
I
that
is
a
concern
for
a
lot
of
people,
it's
something
that
we've
heard,
but
I
would
just
continue
to
encourage
folks
to
read
the
manual
go
over
the
maneuvers
that
are
responsible
that
are
that
are
covered
in
the
test.
We
go
strictly
by
the
manual
both
with
the
written
test.
All
the
maneuvers
are
covered
within
the
the
operator's
manual
that
is
available
on
our
website
and
if
they
can
complete
those
maneuvers
where
they're
there
in
in
jackson
or
katlynsburg,
that
they
should
be
fine.
J
Okay,
sorry
to
cut
you
off,
but
we
we've
got
captain
johnson
major
day.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
and
thank
you
for
your
service
and
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
again
next
month.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
J
Our
next
presenters
is
a
an
issue.
That's
been
around
for
several
years
that
it's
somewhat
like
electric
cars
and
autonomous
cars
and
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
were
futuristic
deal,
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
p2p.
If
the
platform
for
it's
the,
I
guess
it's
the
airbnb
of
rental
car
business,
and
so
I
guess
to
kick
it
off-
looks
like
jimmy
james,
james,
higdon,
you're,
you're
up
first.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good
afternoon
to
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
I
am
james
higdon,
no
relation
of
mmlk
government
solutions
and
I'm
joined
today
remotely
by
my
colleague
at
mm-lnk
chris
nolan,
as
well
as
two
representatives
from
the
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
industry
ethan
wilson,
who
is
of
counsel
for
the
platform
turo
as
well
as
john
van
arsdale
who's,
the
head
of
government
relations
for
avail,
which
is
an
allstate
company.
Q
Both
ethan
and
john,
have
participated
in
legislative
discussions
all
across
the
u.s
and
offer
a
comprehensive
50
state
perspective
to
the
regulatory
environment
in
forming
peer-to-peer
car
sharing.
With
that
introduction,
john,
I
believe
you're
online
and
available.
If
you
could,
please
kick
off
your
prepared
remarks.
N
I
thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
for
this
hearing
on
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
again.
My
name
is
john
van
arsdal.
I
lead
a
government
relations
for
veil
car
sharing,
which
is
a
wholly
owned
subsidiary
of
allstate
insurance,
where
we
currently
operate
a
car
sharing
platform
in
11
states
across
the
country
and
looking
to
continue
that
expansion
throughout
this
year
and
onward.
N
A
brief
background
for
those
who
are
unaware,
like
the
chairman,
said,
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
is
similar
to
airbnb,
but
for
your
cars,
where
we,
our
platforms,
allow
individuals
who
own
vehicles
to
put
them
on
a
platform
so
that
they
can
be
borrowed
by
neighbors,
travelers
business
folks
coming
in
and
out
of
town
for
a
temporary
period
of
time,
while
those
owners
of
the
vehicles
actually
get
to
earn
some
passive
income
through
the
sharing
of
that
asset
that
they
have
paid
for.
N
N
You
know,
is
the
consensus
work
from
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
companies,
insurance
companies
and
their
trade
associations,
the
car
rental
industry
and
insurance
regulators.
It
really
ensures
that
during
this
process
there
will
never
be
an
insurance
gap.
It
provides
the
flexibility
that
the
coverage
required
under
state
law
would
be
covered
by
either
a
driver's
policy,
an
owner's
policy,
the
platform
or
some
combination.
N
We've
worked
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
without
doubt,
nobody
in
the
sharing
process
ever
has
to
worry
about
any
coverage
gaps
and
that's
why
we
include
the
coverage
price
in
in
the
the
pricing
model,
with
avail.
As
of
our
our
colleagues
in
the
space,
the
other
components,
like
I
said,
of
the
proposal
really
deal
with
the
consumer
protections.
We
make
sure
that
we
have
recall
notification
requirements.
We
have
license
verification
requirements
requiring
our
platform
to
provide
roadside
assistance
for
the
the
drivers
of
these
vehicles
again
so
that
everybody
can
be
protected.
N
The
this
model
is
again
just
a
really
consumer
focused
model
that
we
are
a
big
support
of
and
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
dynamic.
I
don't
think
there's
too
many
emerging
industries
that
are
trying
to
actively
ask
for
proper
regulation,
but
we
believe
it's
important
to
enact
this
across
the
country
so
that
everybody
can
be
protected
during
the
sharing
process.
J
R
Absolutely
thank
you.
Can
you
all
hear
me
loud
and
clear
all
right,
excellent,
chairman
higdon
and
chairman
of
church
and
members
of
the
committee?
My
name
is
ethan
wilson,
I'm
with
you
today
on
behalf
of
turo,
an
internet-based
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
platform.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you.
R
Turo
is
a
peer-to-peer
car-sharing
platform
that
connects
car
owners
with
those
in
need
of
transportation,
neighbors
families,
students,
workers,
vacationers,
anyone
with
the
need
or
desire
for
transportation
on
the
turo
platform,
car
owners
or
hosts,
as
we
like
to
call
them,
have
a
hundred
percent
pricing
power
over
their
cars.
Essentially,
they
set
their
own
price.
R
R
These
cars
are
are
not
owned
by
corporations
that
acquire
cars,
sales,
tax,
free
and
rent
them
out
and
then
sell
them.
Like
a
car
dealer,
these
cars
are
purchased
with
motor
vehicle
usage
tax,
paid
at
the
time
of
purchase,
registered,
titled
and
owned
by
men
and
women
in
kentucky,
and
these
cars
are
owned
by
an
amazing
network
of
moms
and
dads
students
and
workers
across
the
bluegrass
state
that
make
up
the
very
fabric
of
who
turo
is
and
who
our
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
platform
is
made
up
of
in
previous
legislative
sessions.
R
Well,
I
am
here
to
hopefully
clear
that
up
and
I'm
here
to
discuss
exactly
how
kentucky's
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
currently
applies
in
equitable
fashion
to
both
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
and
traditional
rental
car,
so
that
takes
me
to
kentucky's
motor
vehicle
usage
tax,
krs,
138,
460
levies,
a
six
percent
tax
on
the
retail
price
of
motor
vehicles.
At
the
time
the
vehicle
is
titled
or
registered.
R
This
is
the
black
letter
law
of
the
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
in
kentucky,
and
this
is
the
rule,
not
the
exception.
Every
person
on
this
committee
has
surely
purchased
a
vehicle
at
some
time
and
passed
and
paid
the
six
percent
tax,
just
as
every
kentucky
turo
host
has
done
the
same
when
purchasing
his
or
her
vehicle.
R
Now
rental
car
companies
are
also
subject
to
the
same
six
percent
motor
vehicle
usage
tax.
However,
what
sometimes
failed
to
mention
is
that,
when
discussing
taxation
of
traditional
rental
car
as
compared
to
peer-to-peer
car
sharing,
it's
that
traditional
rental
car
companies
have
an
option
as
to
how
the
six
percent
tax
is
paid,
an
option
that
is
not
available
to
individual
kentuckians
pursuant
to
krs,
138
463,
traditional
rental
car
companies
or
you
drive.
R
R
But
this
does
not
change
the
fact
that
the
six
percent
is
applied.
Once
importantly,
traditional
rental
car
companies
could
easily
avoid
six
percent
the
six
percent
tax
on
the
back
end
on
that
per
transaction
basis
by
simply
paying
the
six
percent
tax
upon
the
purchase
of
the
vehicle,
and
this
is
spelled
out
clearly
in
statute.
R
This
would
represent
a
huge
competitive
advantage
for
them,
and
this
then
illustrates
that
any
parity
that
would
require
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
to
be
subject
to
the
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
on
the
front
end.
The
six
percent
when
you
pay
you
purchase
the
car
and
then
again,
six
percent
on
a
per
transaction
basis
would
also
necessarily
need
to
apply
to
traditional
rental
car
companies
as
well,
thereby
requiring
rental
car
companies
to
pay
the
six
percent
motor
vehicle
usage
tax.
R
At
both
the
time
they
purchase
a
vehicle
and
subject
customers
to
it
on
a
per
transaction
basis.
On
the
back
end,
this
highlights
that
there
are.
There
is
taxing
parity
right
now
between
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
and
traditional
rental
car
with
regards
to
the
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
in
kentucky,
and
notably
kentucky
is
one
of
very
few
states
that
does
not
apply
a
separate
excise
tax
on
the
rental
car
industry.
R
So
I
know
that
was
a
lot
of
information
with
all
that
said
on
behalf
of
turo
and
our
wonderful
car
sharing
community
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
We
are
thankful
and
excited
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
during
this
process.
We
understand
that
this
is
an
ongoing
process,
that
this
is
an
iterative
process,
but
that
together
we
can
ensure
the
accessibility
and
fairness
of
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
for
kentucky
residents.
For
decades.
R
We
we
view
kentucky
as
our
partner
a
partner,
increasing
transportation
options
for
kentuckians
that
previously
did
not
exist,
a
partner
ushering
in
an
era
of
more
efficient
use
of
existing
assets
and
a
partner
creating
a
dynamic
new
network
providing
financial
empowerment
that
may
not
have
existed
previously
to
the
people
of
kentucky.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today,
members
of
the
committee
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
happy
to
take
questions.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
guests
for
coming
and
testifying
here
today,
and
you
know
I
agree
that
you
know
I
don't
think
it's
the
legislature
legislature's
a
purpose
to
give
any
industry
a
competitive
advantage
of
one
industry
over
another,
but
you
know,
I
think
it
does
concern
me
in
general
that
neither
of
these
you
know
rental
services
are
paying
any
type
of
tax
to
the
commonwealth,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
clearly,
there's
a
lot
of
money
being
made.
C
You
know,
I
really
think
that
we
should
look
at
imposing
a
a
tax
or
a
fee
on
these
vehicles
to
to
help
get
some
more
revenue
into
our
road
fund
to
make
much-needed
repairs,
especially
in
our
rural
areas.
So
really
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question.
Mr
chairman,.
Q
Senator
willer
I'll
I'll
make
a
first
run
at
the
response
and
then
allow
our
guests
to
add
anything
to
that.
But
you
know
the
reason
the
testimony
was
focused
specifically
on
this
point
of
sale,
transaction
and
the
different
methodologies
for
the
motor
vehicle
usage
taxes.
That's
just
you
know
one
component
of
the
full
tax
spectrum
and
and
our
hosts
both
you
know
vail
and
turo.
Q
Whenever
they
utilize
that
that
non-um
non-currently
utilized
asset
to
generate
income,
they
do
receive
a
1099
from
those
companies
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
report
that
as
taxable
individual
income
on
an
individual
basis.
So
perhaps
we
should
have
done
a
better
job
of
giving
the
full
spectrum
of
taxation.
It's
not
a
wholly.
Q
C
I
guess,
but
it's
not
obviously,
if
you're
going
to
be
renting
these
cars
they're
going
to
be
used
more
on
the
road
which
causes
more
wear
and
tear
it's
not
doing
anything
to
even
with
the
1099
to
replenish
our
road
funds
or
to
to
compensate
for
that
additional
usage
and
and
wear
and
tear
on
our
transportation
system
in
the
commonwealth.
Is
it.
Q
Respectfully
these
motor
vehicles,
it
may
say,
you're,
going
to
get
a
nice
jeep
or
any
type
of
a
vehicle
that
you
know
they
can't
drive
without
gasoline
and
our
motor
vehicle
fuels
tax
also
helps
pay
and
improve.
So
one
way
to
consider
it
is
that
the
if
the
vehicle
is
actually
in
use
instead
of
sitting
in
a
garage
that
too
is
is
helping
fund
our
roadways
and,
once
again,
the
purpose
of
the
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
is
to
help
offset
some
of
the
costs
of
operating
otherwise
freely
on
the
roadways.
Q
So
I've
been
not
intending
to
split
hair.
Senator
that
that's
just
my
that's
my
response.
If
the
other
folks
from
our
our
group
are
interested
in
adding
to
that
feel,
free.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
real
quickly
the
finances
on
the
side
of
the
rental
car
companies.
B
If
they
buy
it,
buy
a
car
for
ten
thousand
dollars,
so
they
defer
six
hundred
dollars
worth
of
tax
and
rent
that
car
out
a
hundred
times
and
charge
six
dollars
so
they've
paid
off
that
tax.
Do
they
continue
to
pay
that
tax?
So
do
they
end
up
paying
more
tax
over
time?
If
they
choose
this
option,
or
do
they
stop
paying
that
tax
after
they've
paid
what
they
would
have
originally
owed.
Q
Senator
burg,
I
know
that
chairman's
allotted
time
for
the,
inter
for
the
rent-a-car
industry
to
to
speak
today
and
respectfully
I'd
like.
J
Okay,
we
have.
We
have
one
one
more
question,
representative
fleming.
E
Excuse
me.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
ask
ethan
a
quick
question,
so
you
mentioned
that
the
or
maybe
jimmy's
mentioned
about
generating
a
1099
there,
any
other
transaction
fees
or
any
other
costs
associated
in
this.
During
this
exchange
of
goods
or
services,
I
should
say.
R
E
R
E
Yeah,
what's
what's
the
total,
what's
the
total
cost
to
the
individual
when
they,
when
they
go
through
your
platform,.
R
So
taking
taking
into
account
the
six
percent
motor
vehicle
usage
tax,
that's
paid
by
the
vehicle
owner
in
this
case-
that's
not,
then
itemized
on
the
back
end
and
then,
of
course,
their
vehicle
registration
fees
that
any
other
kentuckian
who
owns
a
vehicle
would
pay.
But
there's
not
a
transaction
fee
or
tax
on
the
on
the
transaction
currently
and
on
a
rental
car
transaction.
There
is
that
six
percent,
and
then
they
also
have
a
a
recovery
fee.
R
E
R
Okay,
yeah
so
to
the
chair.
That's
that's
a
great
question.
There
is
there's
sort
of
a
third
party
service
fee.
If
you
will
for
using
the
the
turo
platform.
E
R
R
No,
no,
so
that
would
be
a
customer
that
would
be
a
customer
paid
on
that
transaction.
However,
the
host,
as
far
as
the
insurance
framework
goes,
is
also
paying
a
paying
a
fee
for
essentially
what
amounts
to
that
insurance
coverage.
That's
provided
because
the
insurance
coverage
is
part
of
in
sort
of
inherently
part
of
the
the
transaction.
J
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
we'll
move
along
to
our
next
presenter.
J
H
Real
quick,
I
apologize
because
this
is
I'm
not
even
familiar
with
what
we're
even
discussing
today.
So
I'd
like
to
try
to
clear
something.
My
understanding
in
your
your
opening
statement
was-
and
I
could
tell
that
the
concern
is
a
six
percent
tax
and
that's
been
the
the
hold
up
on
this
legislation
that
how
a
tax
is
going
to
be
implemented.
H
If
a
1099
is
occurring
and
you're
running
a
business,
would
that
be
considered
the
person
that
has
the
vehicle?
That's
loaning
it
to
your
service
to
be
used?
Are
they
running
a
business
then?
Are
they
subject
to
occupational
tax?
Are
they
subject
to?
H
Are
you
subject
to
the
six
percent
sales
tax
since
you're
operating
the
company,
the
upper
tier
company?
So
are
you
subject
to
the
six
percent
sales
and
usage
tax?
Well,
if
you
clear
that
up,
I
kind
of
see
where
maybe,
where
you're
going
with
it.
R
Sure
so
through
the
chair
yeah,
so
the
six
percent
is
based
on
the
widget
right
and
the
widget
in
this
case
is
the
vehicle
that
is
the
source
of
that
tax
and
for
normal
kentuckians,
we'll
say
right:
individual
men
and
women
who
purchase
their
cars.
R
They
have
to
pay
that
upon
registering,
which
is
essentially
upon
the
purchase
of
that
vehicle
and
that
six
percent
then
on
that
widget
is
satisfied,
and
so
that's
what
our
hosts
pay
when
they
purchase
those
cars
and
then
at
this
point
in
time
that
six
percent
is
not
levied
again,
because
that
would
actually
be
go
against
the
black
letter
of
of
the
motor
vehicle
usage
tax,
which
is
designed
to
be
applied
on,
say
a
per
widget
basis.
R
I
will
say
there
is
an
exception
to
that,
and
the
exception
to
that
is
allowing
you
drive
it
per
statute
to
forgo
having
to
pay
that
on
the
front
end
in
order
to
recoup
that,
on
a
per
transaction
basis
on
the
back
end
and
to
a
question
that
was
answered
earlier
it
the
gross
amount
of
revenue,
that's
then
received
by
the
state-
or
I
should
say
collected
and
remitted
would
actually
depend
on
how
long
that
vehicle
is
is
owned
in
a
fleet
for.
H
Just
a
quick
follow-up,
then
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
where
you're
going
with
the
six
percent,
the
so
you're
saying
they're,
not
really
setting
up
a
a
company
to
be
putting
their
vehicle
into
so
the
1099.
When
you
said
1099,
that's
what
got
my
direction
if
they're
receiving
a
1099
they're
they're
in
operating
some
sort
of
a
business
because
they're
receiving
the
1099
for
their
service
for
the
revenue,
so
the
revenue
is
coming
in
so
you're,
saying
you're,
not
wanting
the
six
percent
added
as
a
sales
tax.
R
H
Though
I've
had
my
vehicle
for
five
years
and
I
determined
I
wanted
your
company
to
start
utilizing,
it
you're
saying
I
shouldn't
pay
six
percent
on
it,
even
though
I'm
receiving
revenue
and
there's
a
transaction
being
made,
so
you
want
exemption
from
the
the
transaction
on
sales
tax.
That's
what
you're
asking
for.
R
No,
so
it
would
not
be
an
exemption,
it's
actually
the
way
the
law
is
effectuated
right
now
is
that,
if
that
six
percent
tax
is
satisfied
upon
the
purchase
of
the
vehicle
and
again
that's
the
rule,
not
the
exception,
but
then
that
six
percent
is
not
in
any
other
way
applicable
to
transactions
that
involve
that
widget,
which
in
this
case,
is
that
car.
R
R
And
so
if
there
is
a
certain
amount
of
money,
that's
then
made
or
garnered
by
that
individual.
That
would
then
trigger
that
1099
as
as
sort
of
an
independent
contractor,
which
would
be
the
same
as
if
somebody
you
know,
created
revenue
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
above
a
certain
threshold,
because
the
state
would
deem
that
as
taxable
income.
J
Thank
you,
representative
smith.
Our
next
step
is
john.
S
S
That's
why
we're
here
today,
enterprise
is
a
dynamic
company.
That's
been
operating
in
kentucky
since
1991,
we
love
kentucky.
I
moved
my
family
here
just
over
a
year
ago,
I
got
to
tell
you
it's
a
great
state
and
great
place
to
raise
a
family
we
invest
here.
We
hire
people
here
we
pay
taxes
here,
we're
committed
to
the
state
we
currently
employ
950
kentuckians
and
have
more
than
90
locations
around
the
state
and
a
fleet
of
nearly
12
000
cars
and
trucks.
S
We
appreciate
the
chairman's
invitation
and
the
committee's
time
and
attention
to
the
changing
landscape
of
transportation
services
and
the
emerging
peer-to-peer
rental
car
market.
We
are
also
bullish
and
excited
about
the
future
and
what
technology
technological
advances
are
doing
to
innovate.
New
ways
of
delivering
services,
particularly
in
our
industry,
in
fact,
as
a
company
we've
invested
over
three
billion
dollars
in
the
last
several
years
in
technology
to
better
and
more
seamlessly
serve
our
customers.
S
All
rental
car
companies
make
vehicles
available
through
online
applications.
The
difference
between
the
models
between
us
and
a
peer-to-peer
flat
platform
is
the
source
of
those
vehicles.
Car
rental
companies
own
the
vehicles
where
peer-to-peer
rental
companies
outsource
vehicles
owned
by
others,
but
it's
all
car
rental
there
are.
There
are
peer-to-peer
companies
operating
across
the
country
and
in
kentucky
offering
vehicles
at
both
airport
and
non-airport
locations.
S
Peer-To-Peer
is
to
car
rental.
What
airbnb
is
to
hotel
industry?
An
individual
allows
their
personal
vehicle
to
be
rented
to
another
individual
via
third-party
platform
for
a
fee.
However,
unlike
airbnb
which
collects
and
remits
sales
and
rooms,
taxes,
peer-to-peer
companies
are
not
currently
collecting
or
emitting
any
taxes
or
airport
related
fees,
while
an
individual
vehicle
owner
may
pay
a
six
percent
vehicle
usage
tax
in
kentucky
when
purchasing
the
vehicle,
the
intent
behind
that
purchase
is
largely
to
use
that
vehicle
as
one's
personal
use
and
not
for
revenue
generating
purposes.
S
S
Additionally,
peer-to-peer
companies
which
gain
access
to
vehicles
from
owners
have
paid
no
tax,
yet
they
are
profiting
from
the
transaction.
Now
more
than
ever,
the
potential
for
the
lost
road
fund
revenue
has
increased
as
the
pandemic
has
created
unprecedented
shortage
in
vehicle
availability
with
traditional
rental
car
companies.
S
That's
through
the
highly
publicized
semiconductor
chip
shortage
and
vehicle
shortage.
You
know
we're
unable
to
meet
the
market's
demands,
which
opens
up
opportunity
for
services
such
as
peer-to-peer
to
come
in
and
and
meet
those
demands.
S
The
incumbent
rental
car
companies
operate
under
the
you
drive
it
tax
collect
and
remit
the
same
six
percent
use
fee
at
the
point
of
the
sale
of
the
transaction
which
goes
to
the
road
fund.
We've
discussed
that
what
we're
advocating
for
is
kentucky
should
apply
this
fee
to
peer-to-peer
transactions,
because
the
vehicle
purchased
for
private
use
is
now
being
used
completely
for
a
completely
different
purpose.
A
revenue
generating
purpose
this
fee
would
be
applied
to
the
transaction
and
ultimately
paid
by
the
renter.
S
No
additional
responsibility
would
be
placed
to
the
vehicle
owner,
they're,
simply
a
vehicle
for
the
transaction.
These
revenues
would
also
go
to
the
road
fund.
Other
states
such
as
nevada,
florida
and
arizona,
have
recently
enacted
laws
and
taxes
applicable
to
peer-to-peer
transactions,
whether
the
vehicle
owned
own
or
paid
the
tax
or
not.
S
Desantos
just
signed
a
piece
of
legislation
into
law
last
week
and
we've
already
mentioned
bart
rowland,
but
we
would
like
to
thank
representative
roland
and
the
legislators
from
across
the
country
who
have
been
working
in
the
end
coil
model
to
develop
the
insurance
framework
that
should
protect
the
consumer
at
the
end
of
the
day,
while
essentially
providing
the
same
services.
We
do.
We
do
recognize.
S
There
are
three
parties
in
this
peer-to-peer:
the
vehicle
owner
the
platform
and
the
renter,
and
therefore
slightly
different
insurance
framework
does
make
sense,
which
is
highlighted
in
the
end
coil
framework.
Again
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time
today
and
at
this
time
I'll
do
my
best
to
answer
any
questions.
The
committee
may
have.
J
J
18
states
have
passed
peer-to-peer
legislation,
arizona,
florida,
maryland,
nevada,
virginia
and
west
virginia
have
passed
legislation
to
tax
the
that
transaction
for
peer-to-peer
car
rental.
If
my
research
is
correct,.
O
O
O
Kentucky
is
a
state
that
has
no
excise
taxes
on
its
rental
car
purchase
or
rental
car
transactions,
and
thus
the
reason
that
we
ask
for
a
level
playing
field
that
if
a
level
of
taxation
is
to
be
placed
on
the
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
platform,
that
the
same
taxation
be
placed
on
rental
car
companies,
because
again
we're
one
of
seven
states
that
don't
put
any
additional
excise
taxes
on
rental
car
companies
right
now,
they're
only
paying
the
usage
tax
and
we're
only
paying
the
usage
tax.
D
Yes,
we
appreciate
both
of
y'all's
testimony
on
that
I
happen
to
pull
up
the
turo
app
just
for
a
sec
there
and
and
at
the
top
ten
of
a
place
that
I'm
thinking
of
going.
Eight
of
them
were
teslas
for
rent
instead,
so
the
road
techs,
you
know
needed,
none
of
them
use
gas.
So
that's
not
going
to
help
our
road
fund
too
much
on
that.
But
my
question
too
was
one
of
them:
they're,
renting
a
1967
volkswagen
beetle.
D
D
S
Cap
on
that
correct
yeah
in
terms
of
the
old
vehicles,
I
I
can't
speak
to
how
those
vehicles
are
maintained.
We
do
operate
a
very
safe
fleet.
We
are
subject
to
national
laws
as
well
as
state
laws
that
require
us
to
adhere
to
very
safe
and
stringent
safety
regulations.
I
cannot
speak
for
peer-to-peer,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
they
have
those
same
requirements.
R
Sure
so
on
on
behalf
of
churro,
and
that's
a
that's
a
great
question
and
and
it's
a
question
actually
that
highlights
the
the
dynamic
seems
to
be
some
background
or
something
it's
a
question
that
that
highlights
the
the
dynamic
nature
of
of
peer-to-peer
car
sharing
and
everything
that
it
offers
right.
R
You've
got
evs
on
one
side
and
you've
got
classic
vehicles
on
the
other
side
and
in
regards
to
the
classic
volkswagen
beetle
that
you're
talking
about
anything
that
is
considered
a
vintage
or
classic
vehicle
on
the
turo
platform
does
does
have
to
go
through
an
extensive
checklist,
a
safety
checklist
and
the
the
end
coil
model
as
well
that
that
more
largely
applies
to,
let's
say
the
newer
vehicles
on
the
turtle
platform.
R
There
is
a
there's
a
year
cut
off
and
that
year
cutoff
obviously
moves
one
year
forward
every
year.
I
believe
it's
15
years,
but
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
the
exact
date
on
that
and
there's
mileage
cap
as
well.
So
yes,
there
is
extensive,
extensive
checklists
and
safety
protocols
for
the
vehicles
on
our
platform
and
look
if,
if
there
were
unsafe
vehicles
on
the
platform,
this
would
be
a
business
model
that
that
would
live
very
long
right.
This
would
be
a
business
model
that
it
would
probably
be
pretty
unsuccessful.
R
We
have
to
have
as
a
function
of
the
business
that
individuals
feel
safe
in
our
vehicles,
and
these
are
cars
that
are
driven
personally
by
other
people
in
large
part,
actually
that
transport,
family
and
and
loved
ones
and
children,
and
so
to
the
degree
that
there
are
any
state
mandates,
mots
any
types
of
emissions
or
anything
else,
that's
up
to
the
state
and
the
the
hosts
on
our
platforms,
of
course,
have
to
comply
with
that
simply
to
register
his
or
her
vehicle.
J
B
Thank
you,
sir
or
chairman
again,
I'm
gonna
ask
the
same
question.
I
asked
the
last
guy
the
six
percent
that
you
all
are
allowed
to
defer.
So
if
you
buy
a
ten
thousand
dollar
car
you're
lucky
you
find
a
good
ten
thousand
dollar
car.
You
owe
six
hundred
dollars.
B
S
You
know
I
have
not
dug
into
that,
to
give
you
a
ballpark
figure
and
there
would
be
vehicles
where
sometimes
we
would
pay
more
given
a
bit
of
a
vehicle
may
get
totaled
in
in
the
second
day
we
own
it.
You
know-
or
we
may
have,
that
in
our
fleet
for
three
years
and
if
it's
in
our
fleet
for
three
years
we
would
have
generated
substantially
more
revenue.
B
S
Sure,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
testifying
today.
My
question
actually
goes
with
senator
berg's
question,
just
kind
of
like
a
follow-up.
Have
you
all
that
enterprise
ever
asked
for
a
refund
for
overpaying
on
the
you
drive
it
or
usage
tax.
A
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
if
you
will
ever
have
in
the
past,
just
to
kind
of
get
some
information
if
you
could
provide.
S
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
the
other
questions
that
were
asked
sort
of
covers
my
my
thoughts
and
questions
all
I'm
good.
Thank
you.
J
Okay,
that's
all
the
questions
we
have
at
this
point.
We're
going
to
move
along
to
seth
cutter
with
the
cv,
cvg
airport.
J
T
Chairman
bringing
up
the
rear
here
so
we'll
be
short
and
sweet
seth
cutter.
I
am
director
of
communications
and
government
affairs
for
the
cincinnati,
cincinnati,
northern
kentucky
international
airport
cvg,
and
we
are
one
of
the
commonwealth's
three
commercial
service
airports
joined
by
louisville,
muhammad
ali
international
sdf
and
lexington's
bluegrass
airport.
So,
on
behalf
of
our
three
ceos,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
time
today
and
share
with
you
our
joint
perspective
and
position
where
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies
are
concerned.
T
Since,
as
has
been
noted,
many
of
these
types
of
transactions
take
place
on
or
at
airports.
So
our
airports
are
seeing
first-hand
how
new
technologies
impact
consumer,
behavior
and
certainly
the
growth
of
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies
are
no
exception.
As
many
of
you
know,
airports
in
kentucky
operate
within
the
provisions
of
krs
chapter
183.
T
Within
these
statutes,
the
commonwealth
has
given
airports
the
authority
and
responsibility
to
regulate
commercial
activity
on
airport
property.
The
state
has
not
regulated
the
way
in
which
our
airport
structure
specific
transactions,
with
private
operators
on
our
properties,
so
primarily
because
our
airports
and
businesses
are
highly
regulated
by
the
federal
government.
T
The
state
has
not
been
involved
historically
in
the
specifics
of
commercial
airports.
Business
transactions
our
interest
is
in
is
to
ensure
fairness
for
all
companies
and
customers-
transacting
business
at
the
airport,
because
existing
state
statutes
give
us
that
authority
to
regulate
business
activity.
We
are
committed
to
creating
a
level
playing
field
for
all
companies
seeking
access
to
and
offering
services
at
the
airport.
Further
federal
grant
assurances
require
our
airports
to
be
as
self-sustaining
as
possible.
We
work
collaboratively
and
closely
with
all
businesses
at
our
airports.
T
We
know,
however,
that
other
state
legislation,
some
that
chairman
you
referenced
before,
has
outlined
where
peer-to-peer
operations
are
concerned
at
airports.
So
if
the
general
assembly
does
pursue
legislation
and
wants
to
include
airport
provisions
specific
to
peer-to-peer
operations
at
airports,
we
urge
you
to
remain
broad
and
high
level
in
any
statutory
language.
T
Three
general
provisions
would
be
sufficient
and
would
stipulate
that
one
peer-to-peer,
car
rental
companies
seeking
to
operate
on
an
airport
must
enter
into
an
agreement
with
each
airport
operator
prior
to
commencing
activity.
Two
such
agreements
would
stipulate
that
there
be
a
financial
exchange
for
the
privilege
of
operating
at
the
airport.
We
believe
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies
should
be
treated
in
a
manner
similar
to
other,
like
businesses.
T
If
airports
and
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies
desire
to
designate
areas
where
peer-to-peer
transactions
take
place,
standard
airport
rental
and
lease
rates
would
apply
and
third,
finally,
in
order
to
protect
the
traveling
public
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies
should
meet
industry
standard
requirements
for
insurance
and
indemnification
coverage.
These
agreements
would
also
require
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies
to
regularly
provide
airport
operators
with
adequate
data
for
audit
and
compliance
purposes,
such
as
vehicle
and
transaction
information.
T
As
with
other
car
rental
companies,
airport
operators
do
not
seek
unreasonable
financial
gain.
As
I
said,
we
are
focused
on
ensuring
fair
access
to
airport
facilities
and
recovering
adequate
revenue
to
support
the
upkeep
of
our
facilities,
at
which
any
new
user,
including
peer-to-peer
car
rental
companies,
wish
to
operate.
Therefore,
to
reiterate,
we
believe
the
interests
of
airports
in
this
issue
are
already
covered
by
our
existing
broad
authority
to
regulate
commercial
activity
on
property,
and
I
will
share
with
the
committee
staff
a
letter
from
our
three
airport
ceos
with
the
provisions
I
just
outlined.
T
T
To
my
knowledge,
our
three
largest
airports
that
I
represent
do
not
yet
have
an
agreement,
but
we
are
definitely
interested
in
pursuing
those,
as
I
mentioned
prior
to
commencing
activity
at
any
at
an
airport.
Any
commercial
user
needs
to
have
an
agreement
for
the
privilege
of
operating
on
or
at
the
airport.
Thank
you
yes,
sir.
E
Just
real
quickly,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
committee
and
thank
the
chairman
for
the
opportunity
for
this
debate.
Public
debate,
it's
the
first
real
opportunity
legislators
have
had
to
discuss
the
taxation
portion
and
we
appreciate
that
and
just
remember
every
time,
enterprise
rental
does
not
rent
a
car
and
a
it
goes
to
a
shared
platform.
The
state
road
fund
loses
money,
it
loses
that
six
percent,
and
so
just
want
to
close
that
comment.
Thank
everybody
for
their
time
today.
J
You
know
peer
to
peer
is
a
it's
in
its
infancy,
but
as
we
move
forward,
there's
a
lot
of
predictions
that
that
rideshare
and
a
lot
of
platforms
are
very
futuristic,
and
so
I
think
it's
one
of
those
things
we
need
to
address
sooner
rather
than
later,
especially
on
the
insurance
side.
We
we
definitely
need
that
legislation
passed
and-
and,
like
I
said
and
and
to
adequately
figure
out
on
the
taxing
issue,
how
we
proceed
on
that.
Do
we
have
any
any
additional
questions?
Senator
berg
you're
very
questionable
today.
B
Sir
one
question:
when
you
say
you
know:
all
of
these
platforms
have
to
have
agreements
with
the
airports
to
operate.
Do
the
uber
and
lyft
drivers
have
those
type
of
agreements
with
you
or
how
are
they
working
at
this
point?.
T
Yes,
ma'am
so
transportation
network
companies,
we
call
them
tncs-
do
have
operating
agreements
at
each
airport,
for,
as
I
mentioned,
for
some
of
these
operators.
If
specific
space
is
given
at
an
airport
such
as
tn
uber
and
lyft
pickups.
P
T
For
many
of
the
reasons
we've
talked
about
today,
these
are
unique
operations,
but
yes
and
you've
seen
at
airports
elsewhere
in
the
country
where,
if
there
are
specific
spaces
designated
for
pickups
and
drop-offs
or
for
the
the
transactions
to
take
place
that
that's
been
included
in
the
agreements.
Thank.
J
J
Okay,
we're
about
to
wrap
this
up,
as
anyone
have
any
any
closing
statements
they
want
to
make
any
of
the
any
previous
presenters
want
to
have.
A
final
word.
O
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
time
that
you've
given
to
this
hearing
today
and
obviously
on
the
taxation
purpose
or
taxation
issues.
We
have
some
differences.
We
we
do
not
think
the
road
fund
loses
money
every
time.
There's
a
peer-to-peer
transaction.
O
We
think
just
the
opposite
could
happen
and
we
think
it's
a
level
taxation
playing
field
today
before
any
legislation
would
pass
and
we
are
open
to
some
type
of
taxation
on
the
transaction
as
long
as
it
applies
to
to
all
the
participants
in
the
car,
sharing
and
car
rental
field
and
to
the
questions
of
the
airports,
we've
had
robust
discussions
with
seth
and
some
of
the
other
airports,
and
we
appreciate
their
openness
to
meet
with
us.
Talk
with
us.
R
And
mr
chair,
if
I
may,
you
may
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Well
too,
I
mean
I
wanted
to
echo.
I
think
what
pretty
much
everybody
has
said
and
thank
you
for
members
time
today
and
we
do
look
forward
to
working
on
this
collaboratively
with
all
stakeholders
moving
forward.
R
We
do
view
transportation
as
a
as
a
growing,
let's
say,
a
growing
pie.
It's
not
a
zero-sum
game
for
every
one
transaction
that
happens
at
a
traditional
rental
car
location.
It's
not
like.
That's
one
less
transaction,
that's
happening
on
peer-to-peer
or
vice
versa.
Right.
We
don't.
We
don't
view
this
as
a
zero-sum
game.
We
believe
that
this
is
expanding
transportation
options
for
people
who
may
previously
not
have
been
not
have
had
access
to
transportation,
and
so
we
truly
do
believe
that
this
is
a
growing
transportation
and
that
transportation
demand
is
not
stagnant.
R
It's
not
one
for
one
and
that
the
the
more
robust
transportation
options
out
there,
the
the
better
for
the
individual
men
and
women
in
kentucky.
So
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
J
James
nelson,
you
stealing
you're
behind
the
poll
you
want
to
there
you
are,
do
you
have
a
final
statement?
There
are
partying
remarks
you'd
like
to
make.
I
would.
S
J
S
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
for
having
us
here,
and
we
also
look
to
get
in
a
room
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
iron
out
exactly
what
this
legislation
looks
like
going
forward.
We
do
want
an
equitable
playing
field
as
well.
So
you
know
we
look
forward
to
next
session
in
moving
this
topic
forward.
Thanks
again,.
J
Thank
you
all.
I
do
look
forward
to
an
agreed
upon
agreement
going
into
next
session,
where
we
can.
We
can
pass
this
out
and
not
let
it
consume
all
the
oxygen
in
the
room
next
session.
We
got
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues.
I
know
this
was
important.
We
have
two
administrative
regs
on
the
on
the
dock.
At.
J
3
and
a
r
0
2
2
0
3
0.
one
is
a
driver.
Safety
course
moving
it
from
five
years
to
five
years
instead
of
one
year
and
the
other
one
is
makes
technical
changes
to.
J
It
okay
and
updates
materials
that
are
included
in
the
kar
023
zero.
Three:
zero,
no
comments!
J
We
we
have
the
person
here
matt.
Can
you
help
us
with
that?
That's
speed,
title
process,
exceptions.
J
M
Good
afternoon
again
for
having
us
dispute,
tarot
exceptions
is
really
for
48-hour
requirement
by
statues,
which
is
186
170.,
and
the
exception
is
like
when
we
have
extended
three-day
weekend
like
we
just
had,
and
then
another
one
is
coming
in
september
first
weekend
in
september.
M
M
You
don't
get
that
spit
out
rooting
for
48
hours.