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B
C
D
F
Here
so
yeah
we
have
a
quorum
and
we're
constituted
to
do
our
work
today.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
October
25th
I
have
a
motion
for
representative
Lockett.
Is
there
a
second
have?
Second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
minutes
are
approved.
F
Okay,
we
have
before
us.
If
you
have
perused
your
agenda
and
packet,
we
have
two
administrative
regulations
that
have
been
referred
to
us,
one
for
the
volunteer
fire
department,
Loan
Fund
and
one
related
to
the
Kentucky
building
codes,
and
we
have
both
of
those
folks
here
today.
If
there
are
any
questions
on
either
of
those
administrative
regulations,
are
there
any.
F
Okay,
seeing
none
we
will
move
on
to
the
main
portion
of
our
meeting,
which
is
are
the
good
folks
from
Kentucky
Association
of
counties,
and
they
are
going
to
present
their
legislative
agenda
for
the
upcoming
session.
So
we
have
folks
in
front
of
us
that
are
very
familiar
to
the
committee,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
them
to
introduce
themselves
and
the
floor
is
yours.
G
H
G
Well,
thank
you
and
again
good
morning.
Thank
you,
chairman
Mills,
chairman
Meredith,
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
You've
heard
who's
here,
mostly
folks.
You
know
we
really
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
appear
today.
Our
plan
is
to
be
brief
and
respectful
of
your
time.
I
might
note
we've
given
you
our
priorities
packet,
which
is
something
like
we've
done
in
the
past.
That's
a
lot
more
for
resource.
If
you
want
to
dig
back
and
look
at
things
later,
but
the
focus
today
I
think
you'll
find
the
slide.
G
Presentation
is
really
the
road
map
for
our
discussion
today
and,
and
our
focus
is
primarily
to
be
educational
and
informative.
We
have
found
that
it's
really
important
for
us
to
continue
telling
the
county
story.
We
realize
it's
a
very
short
session.
It
should
be
reserved
for
priority
issues
and
I.
Think
you
find
that
our
testimony
is
really
in
keeping
with
that
approach.
I
do
want
to
start
with
a
couple
of
words
that
are
often
underused
and
I
know
in
my
previous
Life
as
a
county
official
I.
Rarely
heard
these
words.
G
Thank
you,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
say
thank
you.
When
people
do
things
for
you,
when
people
respond
to
your
requests
and
the
legislature
has
been
very
good
to
counties
in
recent
years,
I
want
to
say
on
behalf
of
our
counties.
Thank
you.
In
my
nearly
25
years
in
County,
government
I
can
honestly
say
that
I
haven't
seen
a
Time,
unlike
the
last
few
years,
where
legislators
were
more
engaged
with
us
and
and
more
generous.
G
G
Things
like
our
jail
funding
that
we
hadn't
seen
increased
in
decades,
investment
in
infrastructure,
Broadband,
water,
those
are
important
things,
investment
in
our
Sheriff's
offices
and
the
court,
security
reimbursement,
investment
in
our
County
elections
and
county
clerks
and
all
those
are
incredibly
important,
but
maybe
as
important
to
those
of
us
who
come
over
here
and
Advocate
on
behalf
of
counties.
Your
investment
of
time.
Your
willingness
to
cure
us
to
spend
time
talking
about
the
issues
with
us
to
have
an
open
door
to
have
a
lot
of
dialogue.
G
I
think
chairman
Meredith,
has
certainly
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
us
over
the
last
few
years,
and
and
really
exhaustive
conversations
and
chairman
Mills
you've
reached
out
trying
to
learn
more
about
counties
in
a
way
that
that
is
refreshing
and
helps
us
understand
that
that
the
legislature
is
very
interested
in
counties.
So,
on
behalf
of
the
counties
across
Kentucky
and
on
behalf
of
catco
I
just
want
to
say,
thank
you
an
unconditional.
Thank
you,
not
a
thank
you,
but
let
us
go
through
a
list
of
things.
G
We
want
a
sincere
thank
you
for
for
hearing
us
out
and
for
being
quite
responsive
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
keiko's.
First
vice
president
David
Livingston
Scott
County
Magistrate,
and
he's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
who
we
are
and
what
we
do.
So
all.
H
Right,
thank
you
all
again
for
allowing
us
to
come
and
sit
in
front
of
you
and
I.
Think.
What's
really
important
is,
as
we
move
past
this
meeting
your
your
last
one
of
the
year
and
then
as
we
move
into
session,
is,
as
Jim
said,
we
keep
telling
our
story
and
and
why
we
make
requests
that
we
do
and
and
want
to
spend
some
of
your
time
our
new
president,
Amy
Milliken,
Warren
County
attorney
had
a
scheduling
conflict
that
was
unavoidable,
so
she
sent
her
regrets.
So
you
all
get
me
today.
H
Congratulations
as
Jim
said
today
is
more
informational.
We
recognize
short
sessions
are
designed
for
or
limited
targeted
work
by
the
legislature
and
that
we're
focused
counties
are
focused
on
the
long
game.
It's
important
for
us
to
keep
you
engaged
and
for
us
to
stay
engaged
for
the
long
term,
not
just
be
short-sighted,
so
we
continue
to
tell
our
County
story.
H
We
can't
expect
you
to
understand
our
issues
if
we
haven't
explained
what
our
jobs
are
as
counties
and
what
we
do
so
first,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
tell
you
an
explanation
of
how
we
get
to
our
policy
positions,
we're
an
association
of
120
counties.
We
have
1500
members
in
our
association.
We
have
magistrates,
judge,
Executives,
sheriffs,
jailers,
County,
attorneys,
County,
clerks
circuit,
clerks,
pvas,
coroners
and
Commonwealth's
attorneys.
Our
Direction
comes
directly
from
our
members,
which
is
a
grassroot
effort.
Politics.
H
You
can't
get
any
more
local
on
the
level
of
counties,
Regional,
listening
sessions,
conferences,
member
feedback,
all
those
are
taken
into
account
to
inform
our
team
and
our
board
on
what
we
would
like
to
focus
on
our
35-member
board
of
directors
is
led
by
a
five-member
executive
committee
and
approves
the
Keiko
platform
of
priorities
and
focus.
Ultimately,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
those
things
are
approved,
we
ask
our
advocacy
team
to
execute,
so
that
would
be
Jim
and
Shelley
Gracie
and
others
that
we
work
along
with
during
the
sessions.
H
Very
simply,
we
are
a
member-led
board-guided
team
executed,
Association
again
a
member
LED,
which
would
be
your
constituents
from
across
the
State
Board
guided
who
are
elected
to
serve
on
the
caco
board
and
team
executed
approach
telling
the
county
stories.
What
do
counties
do
counties
are
a
political
subdivision
of
the
state.
Actually,
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
was
first,
a
county.
A
county
of
Virginia
before
becoming
the
15th
state
counties
are
the
political
subdivisions
where
constitutional
and
statutory
mandates
are
implemented.
H
It's
because
of
this
coexistence
with
the
state
that
counties
are
partners
with
you
in
so
many
issues.
County
government
is
the
singular
government
unit
responsible,
providing
the
county-wide
services
every
citizen
expects
and
is
entitled
to.
If
you
expect
a
jail
for
incarceration
of
arrestees
and
criminals
awaiting
trial.
That's
what
we
do!
That's
what
counties
do
if
you
need
a
safe,
secure
place
for
all
your
legal
documents,
records,
Deeds,
liens
tax
records,
that's
what
counties
do
if
you
as
a
citizen,
hope
for
a
complete
and
fair
and
honest
and
accurate
elections.
H
That's
what
our
counties
do
when
unusual
deaths
in
a
community,
the
obligation
of
all
death
investigations,
no
notification
of
unknown
Descendants,
the
responsibility
to
order
autopsies.
That's
what
counties
do
if
you
want
the
most
current
county-wide
database
of
property,
ownerships
assessments
of
all
real
and
personal
property,
so
every
taxing
district
can
set
their
tax
rates
and
get
it
right,
which
would
include
States
schools,
fire
districts,
Health
departments
and
various
others.
H
That's
what
we
do
as
counties
if
you
expect
Fair
access
to
the
judicial
system,
a
modern
Court
facility,
where
courtroom
judges
require
adequate
security
and
bailiff
protection,
where
jurors
and
Witnesses
are
safe.
That's
what
counties
do
if
you
expect
the
collection
of
all
property
taxes
for
all
jurisdictions
and
an
accurate
count
and
distribution
for
these
taxes.
That's
what
counties
do
if
you
expect,
when
you
dial
9-1-1
some,
will
answer
and
be
qualified
and
trained
to
dispatch
the
right
responder!
H
We'll
keep
telling
you
our
story
to
assist
you
and
others
to
better
understand
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
our
counties.
We
are
your
partners,
your
counties
are
your
partners,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
we're
the
government
that
is
most
closely
related
to
the
state.
County
officials
are
elected,
county-wide
elected
by
the
same
voters
that
will
elect
each
member
of
the
general
assembly.
H
Our
shared
constituents
understand
that
their
County
government
is
the
government
closest
to
them,
but
our
interaction,
inter
relationship
with
our
state
representatives
and
Senators,
is
how
they
often
expect
Express
their
expectations
of
the
next
local
government.
So
what
they
rely
on
us
to
do
as
County
officials
is
to
work
with
you
directly
to
help
make
our
counties
better.
We
look
forward
to
ongoing
dialogue
and
are
appreciative
of
the
continued
partnership
with
each
of
you
so
now
I'm
going
to
pass
it
off
to
Shelley
to
talk
about
some
specific
areas
of
focus
in
the
upcoming
session.
H
I
You
David
good
morning,
as
David
said,
we
are
partners
with
the
state
and
one
of
the
most
important
Partnerships
with
you
all
is
Transportation
safety.
The
network
of
roads
in
Kentucky,
as
we
all
know,
is
a
web
of
federal
state
and
county
or
municipally
maintained
roads
out
of
the
80
000
miles
of
roads
in
Kentucky
counties
are
responsible
for
forty
thousand.
We
are
responsible
for
half
of
the
roads
that
that
people
drive
on
in
this
state
every
day
and
we
maintain
a
third
of
every
bridge,
a
third
of
all
bridges
in
our
state.
I
The
only
major
State
Road
fund,
Revenue
stream,
that
counties
receive
is
from
the
motor
fuels
tax.
As
you
know,
that
tax
is
split
between
the
state
they
get.
51.8
percent
of
that
counties
get
18.3
percent
of
it,
and
cities
get
7.7
percent
of
that.
So,
while
counties
are
responsible
for
half
of
the
roads,
they
get
18.3
percent
of
that
Revenue
stream
from
the
road
fund.
I
As
you
can
see
in
this
slide,
let
me
move
that
for
you,
as
you
can
see
in
the
slide,
the
electric
and
hybrid
vehicle
fees,
beginning
in
January
of
2024,
will
be
deposited.
50
50
into
the
state
road
fund
and
the
state
general
fund,
the
charging
station
taxes
separate
that's
the
three
cents
per
kilowatt
hour
and
that's
been
assigned
to
go
100
percent
to
the
state
road
fund.
I
In
light
of
these
facts,
we
respectfully
request
passage
of
legislation
that
will
specify
that
revenues
generated
by
the
electric
vehicle
fees
be
shared
with
counties
in
the
same
manner
as
the
motor
fuels
tax
is
today,
as
all
of
us
experience
increased
costs
in
our
home
budgets.
That
is
also
the
case
for
County
budgets.
Certainly,
all
facets
of
road
maintenance
have
increased.
The
cost
of
merely
operating
a
motor
vehicle
loan
has
gone
up
over
40
percent
in
the
last
year
and
federal
funding
received
through
the
cares
act
in
the
arpa
ACT
is
largely
restricted.
I
Those
arpa
funds
will
sunset
in
2026.
that
leaves
counties
back
where
they've
been,
for
the
last
several
decades,
with
three
ways
to
raise
revenue,
property,
tax
insurance,
premium,
tax
and
occupational
tax.
If
we
were
to
tear
it
all
down
and
recreate
the
local
tax
structure,
I,
don't
think
most
of
us
would
have
it
look,
quite
as
it
does
today,
times
have
changed
and
your
ability
to
improve
local
taxing
options
to
include
more
competitive
choices
should
change
with
it.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Jim
now,
and
let
him
talk
about
some
of
the
challenges.
G
Thanks
Shelley
and
as
she
mentioned,
the
current
revenue
streams,
as
you
see,
that'll
be
the
next
slide
there,
but
you
all
got
that
in
front
of
you.
You
can
see
the
the
huge
Reliance
that
Counties
have
right
now
and,
and
the
same
is
true
for
cities
on
occupational
license
tax.
That's
that's
our
number
one
Revenue
Source!
This
is
a
great
place
to
jump
into
the
to
the
area
that
this
committee
has
heard
a
lot
of
testimony
about
and
again
I
mentioned
earlier.
G
I've
testified
many
times
about
the
need
for
us
to
do
whatever
it
takes
and
again,
I'll
leave
that
to
folks
a
lot
smarter
than
me,
and
in
this
case
it
takes
a
constitutional
amendment
but
to
be
able
to
move
counties
into
having
more
opportunity
at
the
local
level
for
sales
tax
and,
as
you
all
know,
we've
testified
about
this
before
38
other
states
allow
for
some
type
of
County
sales,
tax,
Authority
and
even
before
chairman
Meredith
was
even
in
the
general
assembly.
Many
of
us
in
County
government
have
been
talking
about
this
option.
G
For
a
long
time,
I
remember
my
good
friend
and
you've
heard
it
testified
here.
My
neighbor
judge,
Mike
Buchanan,
talked
about
this
even
before
I
was
sworn
in
to
my
first
term,
talk
to
some
of
the
area
County
judges
about.
If
we
could
only
have
that
as
an
option
for
counties
that
would
make
us
number
39
among
the
the
county.
So
this
continues
to
be
an
area
of
primary
focus
for
Keiko
and
for
counties.
G
Even
so
this
this
kind
of
fits
into
a
broader
discussion
that
we're
talking
about
as
counties,
which
is
an
area
that
we've
called
in
this
particular
session
or
in
this
particular
time,
leveling.
The
playing
field,
because
I
think
it's
important
as
David
said
earlier,
just
to
be
educational
and
informative.
I
think
that
that
we
take
for
granted
sometimes
that
people
understand
the
complex,
taxing
options
that
that
Counties
have
and
truthfully
even
some
of
our
own
members,
don't
always
fully
understand
the
disparities
between
counties.
G
This
is
an
ongoing
discussion
that
we
again
are
considering
primarily
educational
and
informative
at
this
stage,
but
my
members,
the
county
leaders
that
I
work
for
really
expect
this
discussion
to
not
be
overlooked.
Even
as
we
talk
about
new
ways
for
counties
to
thrive-
and
let
me
be
clear,
any
current
inequities
between
counties
on
on
what
type
of
taxes
they
can
collect
and
which
ones
are
available
to
some
counties
and
not
to
others
this.
This
isn't
something
that
this
legislature
created.
G
In
fact,
these
are
laws
that
are
primarily
40,
50
60
years
old
that
were
passed
in
a
very
different
time,
when
maybe
only
a
handful
of
counties
were
even
considered
large
counties.
Now,
some
of
those
counties
that
were
large
are
actually
on
the
other
end
of
the
population
Spectrum.
Unfortunately,
so,
really
it's
a
hodgepodge
and
a
piecemeal
over
a
few
decades.
It's
really
resulted
in
a
wide
range
of
discrepancies
among
counties
with
some
arbitrary
population
thresholds.
G
Thirty
thousand
is
a
number
here
now,
actually
at
one
time
that
was
fifty
thousand
and
in
these
counties
you
know
the
tax
burdens
for
counties
that
are
not
allowed
to
collect
certain
taxes
inside
of
the
corporate
areas
continues
to
shift
those
tax
burdens
to
the
unincorporated
areas.
Disproportionately
taxing
rural
areas
to
pay
for
those
mandated
services
that
David
mentioned
services
that
benefit
everyone
in
the
county
and
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
interesting
as
I
was
thinking
about
today.
G
There's
really
no
better
example
of
this
in
just
picking
the
five
counties
that
are
represented
by
our
executive
committee,
because
they're
just
randomly
elected
members
from
across
our
state,
and
if
you
look
at
the
five
counties
there
I
just
called
it
a
tale
of
five
counties,
because
it
just
shows
the
variety
of
existing
opportunities
and
options
for
counties
across
the
state
David
from
Scott
County
population
now
of
sixty
thousand
ish
we're
using
the
numbers
that
are
a
little
old,
sorry,
fastest
growing
counties
in
the
State
they're
allowed
to
collect
occupational
tax
inside
the
city
of
Georgetown.
G
They
were
grandfathered
in
about
20
years
ago
when
there
was
a
danger
of
them
Crossing
that
threshold,
but
they
can't
change
the
rate
they
they
risk
the
law,
the
loss
of
that
status.
They
now
have
Madison
County
a
county.
G
Second,
not
not
counting
Jefferson
Fayette
they'll
have
over
200
000
people
in
the
next
30
Years
by
projections,
but
they're
also
limited
on
collecting
certain
taxes
inside
city
of
Bowling
Green,
which
is
booming,
but
booming,
because
the
community
is
growing
out
into
the
areas
of
the
county
and,
of
course,
that
area
is
annexed
into
the
city.
As
you
would
expect.
Boyle
County,
our
our
past
president,
he's
rolling
off
this
week.
You
know
they
recently
actually
because
they
saw
this
potential
to
cross.
G
Interestingly,
judge
Mosley,
who
serves
on
our
executive
committee,
shared
with
me
that
Harlan
County
was
once
one
of
the
largest
counties
in
the
state
and
I
think
either
Benham
or
Lynch
Central
wheeler
you're
in
that
part
of
the
world
was
one
time,
maybe
the
largest
city
in
Kentucky,
maybe
next
to
Louisville
and
Lexington
when
the
coal
boom
was
so
big.
G
So
again
you
see
the
changes
over
the
landscape
of
the
state
and
when
you
see
that
I
just
think
it's
interesting
again
to
understand
that
there
are
varying
degrees
of
tax
availability
for
counties,
and
it
sometimes
makes
it
much
more
challenging
in
some
counties
than
others
again
at
this
stage.
I
would
consider
this
mostly
educational
and
informative,
and
you
might
ask
why
bring
it
up
now.
Why
are
we
talking
about
this
when
we're
talking
about
trying
to
move
to
a
different
model
going
forward?
G
Quite
frankly,
our
members
are
still
facing
real
challenges
with
Revenue
today
and
even
without
the
conversation
about
the
future,
they
talk
about
these
issues
quite
frequently,
frequently
with
us
and
it's
my
job
to
Advocate
on
the
on
the
on
their
behalf
as
you
would
expect,
and
also
we're
getting
ready
to
go
through
a
a
transition.
Much
like
the
legislature
and
we
just
come
through
an
election,
and
many
of
our
members
are
going
to
be
new.
G
Some
of
them
are
going
to
realize
after
they
get
sworn
in,
that
they
have
some
limits
on
their
ability
to
tax
in
their
counties
that
they
didn't
even
know
that
that
they
had,
and
so
this
again
is
for
us
very
much
educational,
very
much
about
telling
the
county
story
and
making
sure
that,
when
we
are
over
here
talking
about
our
issues
that
you
have
some
background
for,
why
some
of
these
things
pop
up
from
time
to
time
and
some
of
the
natural
tension
that
this
creates
between
us
and
our
friends
in
the
city,
sometimes
so,
I'll
use
this
opportunity
to
shift
kind
of
wrap
up,
because
I
think
the
election
slide
is
something
that
you
all
are
all
interested
in.
G
As
our
we,
it's
been
amazing
to
watch
over
the
last
four
or
five
election
Cycles,
the
real
shift
and
the
County
elected
officials
across
the
state,
and
particularly
the
turnover
that
we
see
with
each
election
cycle.
I
know
that
many
members
of
the
general
assembly
haven't
been
in
the
general
assembly.
G
More
than
a
few
terms
you
should
know
this
is
very
true
among
our
membership
and,
as
you
can
see
in
this
slide
here,
this
is
the
election
results
from
just
this
past
election,
and
we
had
about
62
percent
of
our
incumbent
judge
Executives
that
were
re-elected,
but
you
can
see
we
had.
We
have
45
new
County
judges
out
of
120
that
are
coming
on
board.
Looking
at
that
Magistrate's
number,
you
know:
41
percent
of
our
of
our
Fiscal
Court
members,
majors
and
Commissioners
is
new,
and
so
again
you
can
see
the
numbers.
G
G
Personally,
it
was
about
term
two
before
I
began
to
really
even
understand
some
of
the
own
thing
own
challenges,
the
things
that
I
could
or
couldn't
do
as
as
County
judge,
and
so
we
expect
that
to
be
a
pretty
steep
learning
curve
for
them
as
well,
but
again
I'd
like
to
wrap
it
up
where
we
started
with
saying.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
giving
us
an
ear.
Thank
you
for
hearing
us.
G
Thank
you
for
being
very
courteous
and
open
to
hear
us
when
we
don't
always
talk
about
things
that
are
Pleasant,
or
maybe
things
that
you
prefer
that
we
not
talk
about
or
things
we
just
totally
disagree
about.
You've
always
been
very
friendly
and
open
to
hear
from
us.
So
we
appreciate
the
partnership,
look
forward
to
the
ongoing
dialogue
and
I
think
we'll
stop
here
and
turn
it
back
over
to
you,
chairman,
Mills
and
honor
our
commitment
to
be
brief.
F
B
Want
to
ask
a
real,
quick
question:
you
mentioned
the
grandfathered
counties,
gym
and
I
am
not
100
sure
how
many
of
those
there
are
I
know
of
two,
because
you
mentioned
Scott
today
and
I
knew
Boone.
County
was
grandfathered
prior
as
well.
Do
we
know
the
other
counties
that
fall
into
that?
That
equation
I.
G
Can't
recall
them
all
off
top
of
my
head,
but
I
do
remember.
I
was
actually
County
judge
that
year
it
was
after
that
2000
census.
That
was
really
the
census
year,
where
we
saw
I,
don't
know
maybe
6
8
10
that
were
made
yeah
Shelley
remember
she
was
working
on
the
judge,
Association,
then
so,
but
we
could
definitely
get
that
and
some
of
those
pre-exist,
some
of
the
actual
statutes,
so
I
think
Boone
County,
actually
might
be
one
of
those
that
was
just
a
long
ago
had
it
long
before
even
some
of
the
statutes.
So.
I
J
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
good
morning,
it's
good
to
see
my
constituent
David
Livingston.
Congratulations
on
your
leadership
role
in
Keiko.
Thank
you
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
coming
today.
Jim,
if
you
might,
could
you
go
back
to
the
the
slide
that
showed
all
the
new
members
elected
very
well.
Thank
you.
I
know
that,
just
like
there
was
in
the
legislature,
there
was
a
red
wave
at
the
county
level
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
us
some
more
detail
into
the
partisan
breakdown
of
these
offices.
G
Again
and
interestingly,
if
anybody's
interested
in
the
more
deep
in
even
more
detail,
we
got
a
really
great
data
team
back
at
the
office.
That
does
a
lot
of
analysis
and
we've
got
a
a
full
spread
on
our
website
that
drills
down
county
by
county
with
a
lot
of
different
demographic
evaluations
and
I,
think
people
might
find
interesting.
I
brought
just
the
cover
sheet
of
that
of
that
article
for
reference.
G
If,
if
asked,
it
looks
like
that,
among
the
county,
judges
and
magistrates,
we
saw
a
pretty
large
population
or
a
large
political
shift.
G
We
saw
that
four
years
ago,
as
well,
but
now
after
this
election
cycle,
93
Republican
judges,
25,
Democrat,
judges,
two
other
among
magistrates
and
Commissioners
436,
130
and
2
among
sheriffs,
88,
32,
jailers,
84,
33,
county
clerk,
79-41
and
then
the
list
goes
down,
I
mean
but
it,
but
but
to
your
point
leader,
Thayer
I
mean
political
reality
is
that
it,
the
landscape
of
the
county
officials,
reflects
the
way
that
the
state's
voting.
J
J
That's
amazing:
when
I
first
got
involved
in
Kentucky
politics
in
the
mid
90s
I
think
there
were
about
30,
some
Republican
judge,
Executives
I
see
Karen
Kelly.
Here
they
were
mostly
I,
see
soon
to
be
judged.
Sarah
Beth
Gregory.
They
were
mostly
concentrated
in
the
old
Fifth
District,
with
the
occasional,
the
Rogue
in
different
parts
of
the
state,
so
that
that's
an
amazing
number
and
I
do
appreciate
you
sharing
it
with
us.
93
I,
never,
never
thought
I'd
say
well.
Actually,
I
did
kind
of
think
I'd
see
it
someday
and
I'm
kind
of
glad.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Jim,
I,
guess
one
one
question
I
had
I
know
that
you
know
one
of
the
elements
of
tension
that
I've
seen
in
in
my
own
home
county
between
the
city
and
the
county
is
sometimes
they'll.
Go
along
the
utility
lines
to
Annex
a
a
portion
of
property
that
may
be
marked
for
development
that
may
or
may
not
even
have
anybody
living
in
it.
C
I
think
that
in
fact,
I
know
some
folks
that
they,
they
literally
annexed
right
up
to
their
back
porch,
to
bring
it
into
the
to
the
city
of
Pikeville
and
I.
Think
I
was
told
of
an
episode
in
Laurel
County
at
a
Kentucky
conference
that
I
guess
they
built
their
jail
kind
of
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere.
Thinking
that
you
know
it
would
be
part
of
the
county
tax
base
and
they
went
down.
C
One
road
took
a
left
then
went
down
another
one
along
the
utility
lines
and
annexed
about
a
hundred
feet
hail
Is
that
a
particular
problem
that
you
see
in
some
of
these
counties
over
30
000.
As
far
as
you
know,
undermining
the
county
tax
base.
G
Unfortunately,
Senator
wheeler
because
of
those
laws
I
I
mentioned
it,
creates
that
that
that
conflict
or
tension
that
would
otherwise
not
exist
if
the
counties
weren't
really
having
to
surrender
any
tax
revenues
in
those
areas,
I
mean
I
use
my
own
County
as
a
good
example.
My
mayor
and
I
used
to
joke.
G
He
I
mean
it
didn't
matter
to
me
how
much
they
annexed
in
our
County,
because
it
didn't
cost
the
County
government
anything
in
our
County,
because
we
were
under
20
000,
even
on
growing
County
as
we
were,
our
population
was
still
low,
and
so
there
was
no
really
adverse
effect
to
the
County
government
with
annexation,
because
there
was
just
no
loss
for
the
county,
but
in
those
counties
over
thirty
thousand,
it
creates
again
a
tension.
That's
really
unfortunate,
because
counties
aren't
opposed
to
City
growth.
I
mean
City's.
G
The
only
people
who
have
standing
and
annexation
issue
are
residents,
so
anyone
who's,
adversely
affected
by
loss
of
Revenue
would
not
be
able
to
even
oppose
that
kind
of
annexation.
In.
C
A
second
question:
if
I,
maybe
read
a
Mr
chairman,
you
know
I
know
something
that
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
constituents
in
in
one
of
my
counties.
Lately
is
that
you
know
when
folks
are
arrested,
whether
it
be
for
stealing
some
self-harms
like
drug
abuse.
You
know
a
lot
of
times,
they're
right
back
out
on
the
street
within
24
hours,
and
you
know
they'll
get
picked
up
again.
It's
just
like
a
revolving
door
and
the
county
jail
has.
C
You
know
roughly
400
beds,
but
you
know
there's
maybe
40
that
are
actually
reserved
for
County
prisoners,
those
being
pretty
well,
the
worst
of
the
worst
and
the
rest
of
them
are
essentially
state
and
federal
prisoners,
because
it's
a
budgetary
measure
to
keep
the
county
jail
from
being
a
major
Revenue
loser
for
for
the
county.
C
Is
there
some
some
reform
mechanisms
that
I
think
I
did
file
a
bill
that
could
representative
Barrett
of
the
512
to
try
to
mitigate
some
of
those
costs?
But
what
kind
of
solutions
would
you
propose
to
to
deal
with
that
ongoing
problem?.
G
I
mean
before
Robertson
County,
Judge
I
didn't
know
about
some
of
these
complexities
with
with
how
counties
are
really
the
only
place
by
which
many
of
these
State
inmates
are
housed
and
how
they're
given
credit
for
the
time
that
they
serve
against
the
state
sentence
against
the
time
they
serve
so
again,
just
bring
that
conversation
to
light
was
really
important
last
session,
those
kind
of
things
and
they
had
a
big
price
tag,
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
something
that
that
I
think
you
all
all
saw.
G
Obviously,
that's
price
tag
that
we're
now
bearing
as
counties,
because
that
that's
that's
the
actual
cost
to
housing,
those
folks
pre-adjudication.
But
when
they're
given
credit
toward
their
state
sentence,
we
asked-
and
it
is
a
part
of
our
list
of
priorities
that
we'll
continue
to
talk
about
having
some
credit
financially
to
counties
for
the
time
that
they're
given
credit
toward
a
state
offense,
because
they
would
have
otherwise
been
in
a
state
facility
and
being
paid
or
our
County
being
paid
per
day.
G
For
that
cost
and
again
the
prediction
last
year
was
huge
for
us
and
and
absolutely
created
some
cushion
there,
so
that
that
conversation
can
continue.
But
County
jails
are
no
doubt.
The
number
one
budget
issue
for
almost
every
County.
H
If,
if
I
may,
I
can
I
can
give
you
a
great
example
with
Scott
County,
we
have
an
83
84
bed
jail
in
Scott
County,
that's
been
there
for
30
years,
and
you
know
the
growth
that
we've
experienced.
H
H
So
we
have
two
options:
we
can
build
a
40
million
dollar
jail
to
for
future
growth,
whereas
we
would
have
to
bring
in
federal
and
state
inmates
to
help
pay
for
that,
and
at
that
situation
your
growing
staff,
which
we're
having
issues
with
now
on
the
local
level
or
we
partner
with
someone
else
that
has
a
jail
larger
that
may
have
vacant
beds
that
we
can.
We
can
partner
with
on
a
long-term
basis,
and
so
those
are
the
two
things
we're
looking
at
right
now
in
Scott
County.
What
do
we
do?
Is
it?
H
Is
it
financially
responsible
to
spend
40
million
dollars
on
a
new
jail
and
increase
your
cost
of
employees
and
everything
else
and
jail
operations
by
two
million
dollars
a
year?
That's
not
even
including
your
your
debt,
so
we're
wrestling
with
that
right
now
and
one
of
the
fastest
growing
counties
in
the
state
and
that's
something
that
our
Judge
Joe
Pat
Covington
has
taken
on
since
he
came
in
and
so
that
that's
an
example
for
you
to
to
look
at
and
I
would
encourage
you.
H
If,
if
you
have
questions
about
that,
reach
out
to
judge
Covington
and
ask
him
what
we're
doing
to
try
to
address
the
issues.
B
Don't
remember
the
disparity
between
the
price
tag
of
the
two
dollar
per
diem
increase
and
the
bill
posed
by
myself
and
Senator
wheeler,
but
that
would
have
been
a
more
broad-based,
across-the-board
shot
in
the
arm
to
every
county
in
the
state,
frankly,
probably
than
the
two
dollar
per
diem
increase,
because
of
so
many
of
our
counties,
housing,
inmates
and
other
facilities
and
other
communities.
I
think
we've
got
74
roughly
jails.
G
Very
much
for
the
four
dollar
per
diem,
you're
right
chairman
Meredith
I
mean
it
does
create
some
other
issues,
but
clearly
per
diem
increases
have
been
something
that
Counties
have
asked
for
for
a
long
long
time,
and
so,
but
it's
a
comprehensive
approach,
I
mean
I,
really
think
again,
you
all
have
done
a
great
job
of
putting
up
light
on
the
complexity
of
this
jail
issue.
It's
not
not
a
one-size-fits-all
solution
for
counties
that
have
jails.
G
The
per
diem
was
huge,
but
for
counties
that
don't
have
jails,
other
things
would
be
important,
you're
exactly
right.
J
D
Thank
you,
I
had
a
question,
but
I
was
going
to
maybe
chime
in
on
a
couple
of
other
items
on
my
way
there,
one
relating
to
this
operational
efficiency
title
you
have
here
that
says
supporting
the
repeal
of
the
arbitrary
80
000
population
and
I
want
to
just
point
out.
While
the
number
might
be
arbitrary,
it's
not
arbitrary
to
say
that
large
counties
don't
pay
attention
to
local
newspapers
and
small
counties.
D
Do
so
I
send
out
the
same
thing
on
my
email
list
that
I
put
in
my
local
papers
and
I
get
just
as
much
feedback
from
people
that
saw
in
the
paper
as
I
do
on
the
emails
and
I
think
your
student
populations,
other
people
that
live
in
more
urban
areas,
like
you
know,
Louisville
I've
got
some
in
Louisville
now,
where
do
I
put
it
in
the
local
paper?
I
mean
you
know,
they're
just
going
to
get
on
the
website.
D
What
I
really
wanted
to
ask
about
was
the
disaster
preparedness
idea
about
having
I
guess
your
Sans
or
suggesting
automatically
having
Statewide
jurisdiction
for
sheriffs
I'm,
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
why
we
need
that
as
an
automatic
and
whether
it
can't
just
be
done
like
normal,
where
you
have
reciprocity
on
request.
G
Great
question
that
question
actually
or
that
priority
is
something
the
Kentucky
sheriffs
have
asked
for
again.
Sheriffs
are
part
of
who
we
are
and
and
sometimes
their
issues
that
they're
going
to
lead
on
our
roles,
pretty
much
to
support
that,
but
not
necessarily
take
the
lead
on
it.
Kentucky
sheriffs
have
asked
for
that,
because
the
last
two
disasters
I
think
really
put
a
light
on
the
the
fact
that,
in
a
in
a
situation
that
might
even
be
not
maybe
as
much
an
emergency
that
might
be
a
declared
emergency.
G
Sometimes
law
enforcement
officials
go
into
other
jurisdictions
to
help
and
having
that
kind
of
jurisdiction
for
sheriffs
was
important
to
them
or
have
that
kind
of
authority
that
cross
jurisdictions.
I
know
that
chairman
Meredith
there
at
home
in
Bowling
Green
after
the
tornado.
Those
of
us
who
are
in
that
area
kind
of
seeing
what
was
going
on,
maybe
helping
and
doing
things.
G
You
saw
law
enforcement
agencies
from
all
across
the
state
who
were
there
and,
as
we
understand
it
from
the
sheriffs,
there
are
now
things
that
have
to
be
done
to
have
allowed
them
to
really
have
the
full
Authority
that
they
might
need
to
actually
say.
No,
you
can't
go
there.
G
That
I
think
we
would
like
to
be
a
part
of
some
conversations
about
that
might
just
make
it
easier
for
counties
to
react
in
a
disaster,
and
but
those
aren't
specifically
spelled
out
in
our
priority
list
on
the
on
the
threshold
for
Publications
I,
do
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
G
G
It
is
reality
that
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
there
are
not
not
nearly
as
many
people
who
rely
on
print
media
for
their
sources,
and
so
we've
argued
to
kind
of
help
get
away
from
having
to
do
that,
because
it's
really
expensive
in
in
some
cases
to
print
the
tax
bills,
the
delinquent
taxes
and
all
that
in
the
paper.
So
the
80
000
was
actually
a
compromise.
We
would
have
much
rather
seen
there
be.
G
H
If
I'm
a
senator
Southworth
your
question
about
the
sheriffs,
it's
not
just
about
tornadoes
and
flooding.
If
you
recall,
when
we
had
the
tragic
event
in
Floyd
County
with
the
local
share
Department,
there
were
folks
that
responded,
deputies
and
other
agencies
that
responded
from
across
the
state
to
help
fill
the
roles
in
those
communities,
as
they
were.
Dealing
with
that
tragedy.
D
So
I
guess
my
follow-up
on.
That
is.
If
other
people
came
from
all
over
the
state
into
Floyd,
County
did
Floyd
County
have
a
declared
emergency
or
did
Floyd
County
have
moas
or
whatever,
with
these
groups
for
reciprocity,
because
everyone
knows
that
an
emergency
situation.
The
last
thing
you
want
is
every
Tom,
Dick
and
Harry,
showing
up
on
a
scene
somewhere
not
organized
by
the
head
cheese
not
put
in
their
proper
chain
of
command
and
just
start
calling
out
orders.
H
Should
not
say
from
across
the
state
from
from
the
region
that
responded
from
other
counties
that
that
sheriff
hunt
from
Floyd
County
has
those
personal
relationships
that
folks
could
come
in
and
and
fill
roles
if
necessary.
Now,
I
I,
don't
know
what
their
policing
Authority
was
at
that
point
in
time.
That's
a
different
conversation
that
you
know
we
could
talk
about
this
all
day,
but
it
is
a
scenario
where
it
would
allow.
H
If
that
incident
happened
again,
and
hopefully
it
never
happens
again,
he
would
be
able
to
make
that
request
to
have
them
be
able
to
come
into
the
county.
They
would
report
directly
to
him
as
if
they
work
with
him
and
be
able
to
have
those
things
in
place
with
regards
to
standards
and
and
professionalism.
D
K
I
think
what
the
sheriffs
want
they
already
have.
You
can
ask
another
Sheriff
to
come
into
your
county
and
work
with
you,
but
it
was
such
cumbersome
way.
They
have
to
do
it
that
they
couldn't
just
come
in.
So
what
they're
asking
is
not
to
be
able
to
have
jurisdiction
throughout
the
state
whenever
they
want
it,
just
to
go
to
your
county
and
that
County
and
be
able
to
arrest
people
what
they're
wanting
is
for
it
to
be
easier
for
not
just
the
sheriff
or
the
judge
exec
to
be
able
to
call
them.
K
It
could
be
a
deputy
or
whatever
and
say
we
need
help.
Can
you
come
help
us
and
when
they
get
that
request,
they
come
in
with
full
Authority
instead
of
what
it
is
now
there's
limited
Authority
they
have
to
go
through
the
hoops
and
it
takes
a
while
for
them
to
they're
there
before
they
have
authority.
So
I
think
that's
mostly.
What
they
want
is
clarification
to
be
able
to
do
it
easier
and
quicker
when
help
is
as
far.
E
Y'all
for
being
here
Shelly,
can
you
flip
back
to
the
slide
the
revenue
sources,
the
occupational
property
right
there.
So
over
the
last
few
years,
We've,
the
military
has
really
been
pushing
for
compacts
between
states
for
occupational
licensing
fees,
and
things
are
you
noticing
that
that
fee
is
is
still
standing,
pretty
steady
or
so
because
the
the
compacts
would
allow
our
service
members
and
anyone
holding
like
a
speech
pathologist
license
or
so
to
be
able
to
hold
their
license
in
Tennessee,
but
be
able
to
practice
in
Kentucky?
E
I
Well,
on
the
occupational
license
tax
that
that
is
holding
steady
if
there
are
interstate
compacts,
those
are
usually
worked
out
between
the
two
states.
Those
don't
usually
go
to
the
local
level,
so.
G
G
F
Well,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
and
taking
our
questions.
I've
just
maybe
suggest
a
one-pager
on
this
leveling
the
playing
field
for
the
committee
and
have
some
KRS
references
and
things
for
folks
that
want
to
dig
down
in
it
and
learn
a
little
bit
more
because
I
think
it's
very
pertinent
issue.
So
look.
F
We
have
one
final
thing
on
our
agenda
that
we,
as
co-chairs,
would
like
to
go
through
and
I'm
going
to
yield
to
a
co-chair
Meredith
to
kick
us
off.
B
We
have
a
few
that
are
not
here
today
and
I
do
want
to
say
a
little
something
about
them,
but
I
will
I
will
speak
to
each
one
of
these
members
and
their
service
and
when
we're
completed,
if
the
ones
that
are
here
would
join
me
for
a
photo
and
to
present
you
with
a
resolution,
I
would
appreciate
that
opportunity.
Very
much
I
will
start
with
the
two
on
the
house
side
who
are
not
here
today,
and
those
are
representative
huff
and
representative
marzian,
representative
Huff.
B
Many
of
you
all
know
very
well
came
here
to
be
with
us.
After
a
tragic
situation,
her
husband
was
elected
with
me
in
2010,
took
office
in
2011
and
died
of
a
tragic
incident
in
his
home
District
soon
after
that,
and
she
took
over
his
role
has
served
honorably
over
the
last
11
years
and
we
want
to
wish
her
the
best
in
her
retirement
from
this
body
as
she
moves
forward
with
her
life.
B
B
B
and
has
served
as
a
valuable
member
of
this
committee
since
2019
and
representative
Donahue.
We
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you'll
do
back
home
in
Jefferson
County,
as
as
you
continue
with
your
advocacy
efforts
and
other
things
that
you
you
wish
to
pursue
in
the
future
also
want
to
want
to
recognize
representative
Jerry
Miller
who
former
Jefferson,
County
or
Louisville
Metro
council
member,
came
to
us
in
2015
in
the
general
assembly
and
has
served
on
this
committee
since
2017..
We
thank
you
for
your
service.
B
We
wish
you
the
best
and
you're
I,
think
retirement
and
with
your
grandkids
as
you
go
forward
and
hope
that
you'll
come
back
and
visit
us
when
you
can
representative
Miller
and
finally,
I
wanted
to
leave
this
one
to
last
representative
Koenig
Adam
has
served
the
general
assembly
since
2007
and
has
served
on
this
committee
since
his
first
week
days
in
the
general
assembly
and
has
served
this
committee
extremely
well
representing
Boone
and
Kenton.
County
I'd
take
a
moment
of
personal
privilege
to
say
that
not
only
has
he
served
this
Committee
in
the
general
assembly.
B
Well,
he
has
been
one
of
my
dearest
friends,
my
closest
confidants
and
there's
not
been
a
single
piece
of
legislation
that
I've
probably
ever
worked
on.
That
didn't
have
his
eyes
on
it
before
we
put
it
before
committee
or
or
put
it
through
the
process
because
of
the
tremendous
level
of
respect
that
I
have
for
his
work
and
the
knowledge
that
he
has
for
both
the
work
of
this
committee
and
other
committees
that
we
have
served
on
together
and
so
I
want
to
wish
him
the
best
on
his
future
endeavors.
B
But
we
will.
We
will
certainly
stay
in
touch
and
and
again
just
wish
all
of
you
the
best
as
you
move
forward
with
your
lives
and
your
service,
it
has
been
a
pleasure
to
serve
with
each
and
every
one
of
you.
So
if
you
all
would
come
forward,
I
think
our
photographers
here
I
would
like
to
present
you
all.
K
C
F
F
All
right
on
this,
on
the
Senate
side,
we
have
two
members
that
are
not
returning
and
I'll
start
with
the
one
that
is
is
not
here
today.
It
is
a
congressman
elect.
Maybe
he
has
other
business
before
him,
but
Morgan
McGarvey
Morgan
has
been
a
member
of
the
general
assembly
for
10
years,
Morgan's,
moving
on
to
Washington
we're
proud
of
him
in
his
current
Endeavor.
F
F
With
that,
Senator
Thayer
has
a
comment.
J
Thanks,
we
got
a
chance
to
say
our
goodbyes
on
the
floor
to
Senator
Schroeder,
but
I
want
to
say
in
this
committee
how
much
I'm
going
to
miss
him.
One
of
my
closest
friends
in
the
legislature
and
I'm
sure
we
will
continue
that
after
December
31st,
so
I
wish
you
well
my
friend
when
he
first
ran
for
this
office.
J
He
was
married
with
no
kids
and
he's
still
happily
married
with
three
kids
under
the
age
of
six,
so
I
think
we
know
why
he's
retiring
from
the
legislature,
at
least
for
now,
but
I
also
want
to
Mr
chairman
to
say
something
about
my
friend
Adam
Koenig,
representative
Koenig
and
I
met
in
1998.
I
was
the
fourth
district
Republican
chairman
and
he
was
a
long
shot
candidate
for
the
Republican
nomination
for
county.
Commissioner,
we
met
at
the
Bob
Evans
in
Fort,
Mitchell
Crescent
Springs.
J
But
I
every
time
I
drive
around
by
that
place,
I
think
about
that
meeting,
representative
Koenig
and
our
long
friendship
and
you're
a
great
service.
This
kind
of
by
the
way
he
won,
that
primary
won
that
primary
and
went
on
to
be
elected,
County
Commissioner,
that
was
a
republican
wave
year
as
well.