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B
Let's
pray
together,
heavenly
father.
Thank
you
for
this
day
that
you've
allowed
us
to
gather
in
here
together,
lord,
to
just
hear
different
things
and
different
plans
for
our
state.
But
lord
today
we
come
as
a
as
a
people
with
heavy
hearts
today
and
the
loss
of
senator
buford
and
our
friend
representative
carney
lord
during
this
time,
and
we
pray
that
you
would
be
with
their
families.
We
pray
that
you
would
uplift
them.
Lord,
as
an
old
preacher
back
home,
says
lord.
B
If
you
just
pull
your
pull
them
up
in
your
big
arms
of
love
and
and
love
on
them,
and
let
them
know
you're
there
for
them.
Lord
we'd
appreciate
it
and
we
we
pray
that
you'd
help
us
through
this
loss.
I
pray
lord,
that
we
would
always
please
you
and
honor
you
with
our
thoughts
with
our
actions.
The
way
we
treat
each
other
and
I
pray
most
of
all,
it
should
get
glory
from
our
lives.
Thank
you
for
down
on
the
cross
that
we
could
be
saved.
We
love
you.
A
Amen.
Thank
you,
representative.
Welcome
to
the
second
meeting
of
the
interim
joint
committee
on
tourism.
Small
business
and
information
technology
co-chair
pratt
and
co-chair
schroeder
are
certainly
happy
to
see
you
and
also
the
smiling
faces.
It's
wonderful
to
have
in-person
visitors
again
with
us
as
sasha
calls
the
role.
Please
let
her
know.
If
you're
in
person
in
the
room
or
off-site,
she
will
need
to
make
that
notation.
C
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
many
of
you
knew
former
state
representative,
john
arnold,
who
served
for
18
years
in
this
body
of
good
friend
to
many
of
us
and
he
passed
away.
His
funeral
is
tomorrow
and
starts
at
11
o'clock,
so
just
remember
his
family
and
your
thoughts
and
prayers.
Thank
you.
A
Oh
thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention
the
sadness
of
the
summer
kind
of
continues
on.
Thank
you,
representative
sasha.
Please
call
them.
B
Representative
callaway
president
in
the
room
representative,
donahue,
yes,
ma'am,
present
representative
dotson
president
in
the
room
representative
fister
president
in
the
room
representative
frazier
president
in
the
room
representative
freeland,
I'm
here
remotely
from
my
home
district.
Thank
you,
representative,
fugitt
president
in
the
room.
B
B
Representative
roberts
present
in
person
representative
roland
president
remotely
representative
sheldon
president
remotely
thank
you
representative
stevenson,
president
in
the
room
representative,
tackett
lafferty
president
in
the
room
representative,
tate
president
remotely
representative
timoney.
B
A
Do
we
have
a
quorum?
We
do
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you
very
much
sasha
for
anyone
joining
us
remotely.
Please
use
your
chat
function
to
ask
any
questions,
and
if
we
didn't
catch
you
in
the
role,
you
can
also
use
that
there
for
anyone
participating
remotely.
We
do
have
your
microphone
muted.
So
please,
let
us
know
if
you
need
to
be
unmuted.
We
do
have
a
very
full
agenda
today.
A
A
The
commissioner
does
have
a
full
presentation
for
us
all
of
that
information
is
linked
on
the
lrc
website.
For
so,
for
the
sake
of
time,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
going
through
fairly
quickly.
We
do
have
two
presenters
today,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
today.
Please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
F
We
go
here's
better!
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioner,
kentucky
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
resources
rich
storm.
Thank
you.
Acting
director
of
the
information
education
division,
gabe
jenkins,
it's
my
honor
to
be
here
to
serve
as
the
commissioner
of
the
kentucky
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
resources.
F
Ours
is
an
awesome
responsibility
and
I'm
here
today
to
provide
an
overview
overview
of
the
sorts
about
the
agency,
which
has
been
carved
out
an
impressive
legacy
because
of
strong
leadership,
dedicated
staff,
willing
partners
and
strong,
unified
support
from
sportsmen
and
women
and
conservation-minded
people,
fishing
and
hunting
and
time
spent
in
the
outdoors
are
beneficial
in
many
ways,
and
I'm
going
to
share
several
examples.
Today
we
create
lasting
memories
with
families
and
friends,
old
and
new.
F
We
put
healthy
food
on
the
table
for
families,
outdoor
recreation
draws
scores
of
people
to
the
commonwealth
and
creates
thousands
of
jobs
and
billions
of
dollars
into
kentucky's
economy.
There
are
many
positives
to
talk
about
today,
as
the
commissioner
moving
forward.
It's
my
vision
to
achieve
great
things
and
tackle
challenges
head
on.
F
F
F
F
Thank
you
and
our
chairman
of
our
commissions
here
today,
dr
kleiner,
he's
in
he's
in
the
back
of
the
room,
proud
to
have
his
support
today
too.
So
today's
topics
are
going
to
be
who
we
are,
what
we
do:
hunting
and
fishing
trends
funding
agency
highlights
and
how
you
can
help
whether
you're
a
hunter
or
an
angler.
F
F
F
We
have
600
great
staff,
educated
people
with
diverse
backgrounds
and
experience
what
we
do.
We
support
our
mission.
We
own
165
000
acres
in
kentucky
and
we
partner
with
more
than
a
million
additional
acres.
We
assist
landowners,
we
educate
the
public
and
youth,
we
restore
lands,
waters
and
wetlands,
and
this
next
piece
I'm
really
proud
of.
We
have
a
couple
videos
today.
This
was
developed
in-house
by
a
guy
named
ob
williams,
no
help
outside
assistance.
This
is
a
testament
to
the
talent
that
we
have
in
the
agency
and
I'm
really
proud
of
this.
G
It's
our
mission
to
conserve,
protect
and
enhance
kentucky's
fish
and
wildlife
resources,
while
providing
outstanding
opportunities
for
you
to
enjoy
hunting
fishing,
trapping
boating,
shooting
sports
wildlife,
viewing
and
related
activities
at
kentucky
fish
and
wildlife.
We
protect
the
resource
and
public
safety
by
enforcing
hunting
fishing
and
boating
laws
across
kentucky,
provide
public
hunting
and
fishing
access
through
the
management
of
more
than
one
million
acres
of
natural
areas
and
waterways
provide
quality
fishing
opportunities
for
anglers
close
to
home
by
annually
stalking.
G
More
than
5
million
fish
in
public
waters
build
and
maintain
public
boat
ramps,
shooting
ranges,
bank
fishing
access
areas
and
other
public
facilities,
restore
streams
and
wetlands
on
private
and
public
lands.
Using
special
grants
assist
private
landowners
with
fish
and
wildlife,
habitat
improvement,
inform
and
educate
millions
of
youth
and
adults
through
education
and
outreach
programs.
G
G
F
This
this
generates
344
million
dollars
in
state
and
local
taxes
and
373
million
dollars
in
federal
taxes.
Now,
there's
a
lot
of
numbers
that
we're
going
to
go
over
today,
but
I
think
the
next
slide
when
it
comes
to
fish
and
wildlife
recreation.
F
I
will
be
talked
about
in
the
video
5.9
billion
dollars
in
total
economic
impact
and
tourism
as
a
whole
in
kentucky
is
11.8
billion
dollars
of
economic
impact.
So
what
we
do
is
very
significant
when
it
comes
to
tourism
and
we're
glad
to
be
here
before
this
committee
today,
fishing
and
hunting
participation
rates.
F
F
We
didn't
know
what
was
going
to
happen,
I'm
not
sure,
what's
going
to
happen
after
this
coveted
bump
and
obviously
the
pandemic,
and
how
it's
going
to
how
it's
going
to
last-
hopefully
it's
over,
but
the
if
you
look
at
the
right
chart,
the
the
gray
line,
that's
actually
youth
participation
rate
that
mimics,
what
we've
seen
with
resident
license
sales
non-resident
license
sales.
This
is
a
question
you're
going
to
get
in
your
districts,
a
great
number
people
care
about
this,
so
you
can
see
the
red
line,
doesn't
mimic
the
resident
sales
and
that's
pretty
simple.
F
F
We
have
another
non-resident
slide
here,
resident
versus
non-resident.
So
if
you
look
740
000
residents
participate,
140,
000
non-residents
participate,
but
what's
interesting
about
this,
the
15
non-residents
create
39
of
our
revenue.
So
it's
very
significant
if
you
compare
average
per
capita
32
for
a
resident
112
dollars
for
non-resident.
F
Now
we're
funded
many
of
you
in
this
room.
You
already
know
this
48
license
sales,
36
percent,
federal
grants
and
vote
registration,
and
I'm
the
guy
that
always
looks
at
other.
What's
that
you
know,
what's
what's
other
mean?
Well,
actually,
that's
fines.
We
receive
a
pretty
insignificant
amount.
Four
fines
program,
income
donations,
the
solato
center,
if
you've
ever
been
there
youtube
and
surplus
auctions
things
things
of
that
nature,
so
then
I'll
put
an
etc.
On
the
other
pittman
robertson,
I'm
sure
a
few
of
you've
heard
of
pitt,
pittman-robertson
act.
It
was
established
in
1937..
F
F
F
F
F
We
probably
spend
a
great
deal
of
time-
probably
more
time
with
discussing
wildlife
than
anything
deer.
Turkey,
elk
and
bear
management
are
some
of
our
regular
questions.
We
have
admin
services,
we
have
payer
bills,
we
have
to.
We
have
to
push
paper,
we
have
to
keep
records,
engineering,
infrastructure
and
technology,
build
things.
F
Ramps
keep
up
our
old
out
of
date,
buildings,
internet
technology.
I
e
information
education,
we'll
talk
about
kentucky
field
briefly
in
the
next
next
segment,
but
I
need
this
is
our
tv
show?
These
are
our
teachers
that
go
to
schools
and
teach
teach
kids
about
what
we
do
fish
and
wildlife
enforcement,
I'm
proud
to
say,
since
I've
been
here,
we've
grown
law
enforcement
by
30
percent.
F
We
hadn't
hired
a
conservation
officer
in
years,
and
so
you
probably
see
that
in
your
communities
we're
trying
to
help-
and
a
few
of
you
recently
you've
had
issues
in
your
district.
We've
tried
to
help
you
marketing
fish
and
wildlife
agencies
for
years
assumed
that
fish
and
wildlife
sells
itself.
Customers
like
myself,
I'm
going
to
go,
I'm
going
to
purchase
a
license,
but
how
do
we
connect
with
people
that
don't
buy
that
license
every
year?
Marketing
is
how-
and
we
have
some
really
good
numbers
that
we've
been
glad
to
share
with
you
hatcheries.
F
F
We
have
a
team
that
also
drives
the
trucks
and,
if
you
have
you've
been
on
the
truck
before
and
you've
been
out
and
you've
seen
what
we
can
do,
and
so
it's
it's
critical
that
we
maintain
these
hatcheries.
We
have
two
in
kentucky
and
there's
a
federal
hatchery
as
well
that
we
partner
with
fish
habitat
improvement.
F
This
is
fun
stuff
too,
so
we
can
go
out.
We
can
take
a
lake,
that's
virtually
infertile,
and
if
you
see
the
center
center
picture,
we
can
take
pallets.
We
can
take
christmas
trees,
we
can
take
pvc
pipe
and
we
can
build
structure
for
successful
spawns
so
that
we
can
grow
fish
in
our
own
lakes
and
we
don't
solely
depend
on
a
fish
hatchery
to
have
good
fishing
resources
in
the
state.
F
We
want
lakes
to
be
reproductive
on
their
own.
It's
that
simple,
our
fins,
lakes.
This
is
something
again.
Everybody
in
this
room
can
be
excited
about
with
44
of
these
lakes
28
counties
these
these
lakes
are
fishing
in
neighborhoods,
so
you
don't
have
to
have
a
rural
kentucky,
farm,
land
or
piece
of
land
to
go
catch
fish.
I
ran
into
a
guy
at
one
of
our
finn's
lakes,
one
night.
F
F
For
those
of
you
in
western
kentucky
you're
familiar
with
our
baff
system,
I
love
state
acronyms.
I
like
our
kentucky
fish
center
kfc.
I
thought
it
was
kentucky
fried
chicken
when
I
got
here
this
bath
system
is
a
bio-acoustic
fish
fence,
and
this
was
installed
in
2019.
We've
seen
some
really
positive
research
on
this,
but
basically
it's
bubbles
and
sonar
and
we're
trying
to
create
a
barrier
where
these
fish
won't
go
from
the
mississippi
the
ohio
river
into
barclay
and
kentucky
lake.
So
we
we
have
some
survey
results
that
are
very
promising.
F
There's
more
than
130
miles
of
streams
have
been
restored
in
kentucky's
waters
and
48
counties
47
have
been
constructed.
Five
are
under
construction,
17
are
in
the
design
phase
13
or
in
the
initial
phase.
This
creates
jobs
across
kentucky,
but,
most
importantly,
clean
water
throughout
the
commonwealth.
F
Madam
chair,
in
2018,
we
appreciate
your
citation
of
appreciation
for
kentucky
wild
key
wild
was
a
program
we
started
in
2018,
and
we
know
that
there's
a
million
people
in
kentucky
that
love
the
outdoors.
They
love
to
birdwatch.
They
love
fresh
air.
They
like
to
hike
they
like
canoes
like
kayaks,
so
we
developed
a
program
to
connect
with
a
different
base
of
people.
I'd
encourage
each
of
you
to
check
out
kentucky
wild.
I
think
this
has
a
tremendous
upside.
I
actually
believe
that
this
could
surpass
our
user
base,
our
traditional
hunters
and
anglers
someday.
F
It's
a
unique
networking
opportunity
for
us
to
meet
with
people
that
traditionally
have
not
worked
with
kentucky
fish
and
wildlife
black
bears.
This
is
this
is
a
hot
topic
right
now
we
have
bears
roaming
across
the
state,
those
of
you
in
the
southeast.
You
know
all
about
this.
We've
had
some
bear
sightings
recently
in
western
kentucky.
F
These
these
actually
could
be
kentucky
bears,
they
could
be
missouri
bears
we
we
don't
know,
but
what
I
do
want
to
share
with
you
today
is:
we
have
a
website
to
go
to
bearwise.org
for
information
pertaining
how
you
can
live
with,
bears
in
your
community
and
a
lot
of
people.
Don't
know
what
kind
of
problems
you
can
have
with
bears,
but,
for
example,
you
take
your
trash
to
the
end
of
the
road,
that's
where
kids
get
on
school
bus,
so
we
do
have
problems
again.
F
F
You
all
know
that
we
have
private
lands,
biologists
that
will
come
to
your
property
for
free
and
give
you
ideas
as
to
how
you
can
manage
your
your
lands.
These
people
do
a
great
job.
They
also
help
us
to
take
care
of
public
lands.
We
have
public
land,
biologists
and
again
over
a
million
acres.
So
if
you're
interested
in
these
opportunities
just
reach
out
to
us,
you
can
reach
out
to
me
and
when
we
close
I'll
give
you
my
email
address,
boat
ramps,
every
legislator
wants
a
boat
ramp
in
their
district.
F
As
you
heard
about
the
federal
grants,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
build
additional
boat
ramps
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
we
have
several
access
places
where
we
need.
We
need
to
build
a
ramp,
but
sometimes
we
don't
have
the
property
to
make
that
happen.
So
if
you're
interested
in
that
I'll
be
glad
to
send
you
an
application
and
you
can
apply
for
boat
ramp
in
your
in
your
district
boat
ramp
construction.
F
Since
2019,
we
had
a
huge
event
shawnee
park
in
jefferson
county
over
15
percent
of
our
anglers
in
the
state
live
within
a
few
miles
of
shawnee
park
in
jefferson
county.
So
we're
excited
about
that.
We
we
had
a
repair
here
recently
at
steel
branch
and
franklin
county.
If
you
want
to
see
what
a
boat
ramp
looks
like
come
out
and
check
that
out,
we
would
love
to
love
to
host
you
paddle
craft.
How
many
of
you
have
a
kayak
or
canoe
in
here
this?
This
is
something
I
think
has
a
high
ceiling.
F
F
F
F
We
got
reach,
we
have
over
500
000
followers
on
social
media
and
I'd
like
to
think
that
they're
mostly
likes-
I,
I
don't
always
follow,
what's
going
on
facebook
and
twitter,
but
this
connectivity
has
changed
the
way
we
communicate.
F
People
watch
kentucky
field
on
youtube
at
a
high
rate,
but
importantly,
when
it
comes
to
marketing,
we
have
400
000
emails,
so
we
can
inexpensively
connect
with
people
via
email
and
that
and
that's
working
our
efforts
during
the
pandemic.
We
did
not
slow
down.
I
hope
you
all
tuned
in
to
some
of
our
videos,
so
we
continued
hunter
education.
F
We
talked
boater
safety.
We
had
facebook
live
seminars,
we
we
did
the
things
that
we
did
in
the
past.
We
just
did
them
virtually,
so
we
actually
started
that
just
weeks
into
the
pandemic
and
I'm
really
proud
of
our
educators
and
what
they
were
able
to
pull
off.
I
don't
have
the
data
here
today,
but
millions
of
people,
millions
of
people
were
able
to
tune
in
last
year
and
watch
these
seminars.
F
Kentucky
field:
have
you
all
seen
kentucky
field
everybody
in
here
watched
it
before,
so
we
whenever
I
go
somewhere
with
chad
miles,
they
assume
he's
the
commissioner
because
he's
a
tv
show
host
and
I'm
fine
with
that.
He
he
does
a
great
job,
but
many
have
heard
of
tim
farmer.
He
has
a.
He
also
has
another
tv
show,
but
two
of
the
kentucky
names
that
that
help
brand
the
department
of
fish
and
wildlife,
two
million
people
watch
kentucky
afield
per
month.
F
I
think
that's,
absolutely
incredible.
It's
family
friendly,
there's,
no
innuendo,
we're
not
selling
anything
except
kentucky
and
opportunity.
You
don't
see
that
in
today's
world,
like
like
you
used
to-
and
I
like
to
watch
the
waltons,
but
it's
not
on
anymore,
but
we
can
watch
kentucky
feel
the
next
thing
is.
We
have
kentucky
field
magazine.
I
hope
you
subscribe
to
it.
F
A
F
You've
seen
a
lot
of
kentucky's
license
plates
with
a
deer.
The
fish
rick
hill
actually
did
that
we
were
in
the
capitol
rotunda
in
2019
and
we
had
rick's
artwork
what
an
asset
to
the
state
of
kentucky,
a
guy
that
just
loves
fish
and
wildlife,
and
I
I
love
you
know
dad
jokes
and
comedy
he
has
drawings
comedy
in
his
office
and
he
has
a
muscle
car,
which
is
a
muscle
and
anyway,
I'd
love
to
share
some
of
that
with
you.
F
We
got
a
few
250
000
kentuckians
have
graduated
from
our
conservation
camp.
We
teach
life
skills,
we
have
three
camps
across
west,
central
and
east
and
we're
open
right
now.
At
limited
capacity
we
teach
hunter
education,
we
teach
people,
life
skills,
we're
really
proud
of
our
camps
and
we'd
love
to
show
you
those
if
you,
if
you'd
like
to
come
out
hunter
education,
another
piece
we
didn't
stop
last
year,
so
we
had
over
4
000
people
got
their
orange
card
last
year,
while
they
were
sitting
at
home,
it's
actually
a
little
higher
than
normal.
F
So
we
were
excited
about
that.
We
were
able
to
have
virtual
range
days
and
people
use
the
nra
website
to
do
their
class
portion.
It's
actually.
If
you
don't
have
your
orange
guard
and
you're
born
after
1974
I'd,
encourage
you
to
go
to
nra's
website
and
try
to
get
your
orange
card,
and
I
can
be
glad
to
send
that
to
you.
F
We
just
promoted
our
first
one
in
anderson,
county
and
some
people
have
said
those
aren't
going
to
work.
People
are
going
to
steal
your
life
jackets
and
you
know
who
came
up
with
such
an
idea.
I'ma
tell
you
what
somebody
steals
one
of
our
life
jackets
and
they
don't
drown
that
life
jacket.
Loner
station
is
worth
its
weight
in
gold,
so
we
hope
that
people
put
the
life
jackets
back.
We
have
some
great
sponsors
that
are
going
to
help
us.
F
We've
had
a
lot
of
questions
asked
about
how
how
can
I
put
a
life
jacket,
loaner
station
in
my
town?
We
want
to
do
this
and
we've
got
five.
We've
got
five
new
sites,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen
after
beaver
lake
that
are
that
we're
gonna
unveil.
So
we
look
forward
to
having
those
in
your
districts
and
your
community.
F
How
can
how
can
fish
and
wildlife
be
better?
Well
we're
only
as
good
as
our
people.
I've
been
fortunate
enough
to
work
with
talented
people
in
several
different
places.
In
my
life,
none
none
or
as
passionate
as
the
people
that
work
at
kentucky
fish
and
wildlife,
most
of
them
got
a
degree.
I'm
sure
gabe
here
went
and
got
a
degree
because
it's
what
they
love
to
do.
There's
there's
no
other
option
for
many
of
our
employees.
This
is
what
they
want
to
do
so
help
us
attract
these
people,
there's
opportunities.
F
We
are
losing
some
folks
because
of
wages
and
all
the
different
issues
that
you
all
hear
about,
but
people
are
very
happy
to
work
at
kentucky
fish
and
wildlife.
I
have
people
say
all
the
time
I
wish
I
made
more
money
wish
you
could
help
me
with
that,
but
I'm
not
leaving,
and
so
we're
we're
in
a
unique
spot
that
to
be
able
to
share
that
with
you
consider
visiting.
F
I
I
sincerely
mean
that
bring
a
committee
over
to
solato.
We
have
an
outdoor
facility,
we
have
an
indoor
facility
or
just
come
by
and
visit.
We
have
a
fins
lake
on
campus,
bring
your
fishing
pole,
we'd
we'd
love
to
have
you
out
there
and
when
I
get
in
front
of
the
general
assembly,
I
have
to
say
the
next
part
pension
reform.
F
I
know
this
is
tough,
but
I
I
reached
out
to
some
directors
in
other
states.
I
recently
spoke
to
the
director
in
west
virginia
their
pension
contribution,
rate's
15,
and
we
know
that
y'all
got
a
lot
of
challenges
to
deal
with
here,
but
I
just
want
to
show
you
this
in
comparison,
the
non-hazardous
employees
that
we
have
it
does
make
it
tough.
F
I
think
we've
done
a
good
job
to
combat
that,
but
I
just
felt
like-
and
actually
some
of
my
staff's,
like
don't
go
down
there
and
share
that
with
the
with
the
general
assembly.
Well,
actually,
I
just
think
it's
the
point
to
be
made.
F
F
I
don't
necessarily
I'm
not
asking
you
to
do
that,
but
there's
landowners
that
buy
a
hunting
and
fishing
license
because
they
support
us.
We
consistently
have
80
some
percent
approval
ratings,
so
people
people
support
kentucky
fish
and
wildlife
and
conservation
management,
but
join
us
in
the
outdoors.
If
you
don't
want
to
hunt
you
don't
want
to
clean
a
fish
get
outdoors
and
take
somebody
with
you
mentor
be
a
mentee.
We
have
all
kinds
of
great
programs
becoming
an
outdoor
woman.
We
have
hook
to
cook
field
to
fork.
F
We
can
help
sign
you
up,
I
think
miss
frazier.
If
I
remember,
I
think
you
took
one
of
those
courses
not
not
too
many
years
ago,
but
our
website
is
a
litany
of
information.
It's
not
it's
not
as
difficult
to
go
through
as
it
used
to
be
so
check
it
out,
go
to
the
search
engine
and
whatever
you're
looking
for.
Hopefully,
we
can
find
and
I'm
gonna
take
it
to
a
kentucky
wild.
H
I
B
B
B
B
C
Thank
you,
commissioner.
It
was
an
excellent
presentation
and
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
and
one
thing
you
didn't
really
mention.
I
don't
think
if
or
I
didn't
get
it
often
I'm
sure,
you're
looking
at
what
type
of
species
of
animals
that
are
brought
into
the
state
of
kentucky
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
don't
have
people
bringing
in
dangerous
animals.
Here.
C
I
know
in
my
city
and
in
west
kentucky
right
in
the
middle
of
town,
not
three
blocks
from
the
center
of
town
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
where
one
neighbor
has
children
as
young
as
two
years
old
right
next
door.
C
We
have
someone
who
is,
maybe
I
think,
even
breeding
something
called
carol:
cow
cats,
cara,
c-a-r-a-c-a-l
cats,
they're,
some
type
of
cat,
that's
native,
I
think,
probably
from
africa.
Are
you
familiar
with
that
brand
and
you
know,
is
that
something
that's
allowed
to
be
in
kentucky
or
are
you?
Are
you
even
aware
of
that?.
F
Well,
I
told
gabe,
I
wasn't
going
to
ask
him
a
question,
but
that's
that's
one
that
I
don't
know
anything
about.
J
C
I'd
like
for
someone
to
check
with
me
and
and
find
out,
and
maybe
like
something
in
in
writing
as
to
whether
or
not
they
are
actually
legal
to
have
in
kentucky
possibly
breed
in
kentucky
and
if,
if
they
are,
if
are
there
any
restrictions
or
that
sort
of
thing?
So,
if
you
could
have
someone
get
that
information
to
me,
I
certainly
would
appreciate
it.
Yeah.
C
B
B
In
all
seriousness,
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
getting
on
to
the
problem
we
had
down
in
livingston
county
with
the
asian
carp
bowhunters.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Do
you
know
how
many
you
were
able
to
to
talk
to
how
many
fines
were
levied.
B
Dude,
that
brings
another
question.
When
fines
are
levied,
do
people
pay
them,
I'm
very
interested
in
whether
or
not
both
resident
and
non-resident
folks
pay
those
fines.
F
F
These
violations
aren't
considered
as
serious,
and
so
our
our
average
receipts
less
than
ten
dollars
for
a
fine
and
many
of
them
are
dismissed
and-
and
so
I'd
like
to
think
that
you
know
that's
something
that
we
can
strengthen
in
the
future,
that
you
know
our
courts.
Some
of
our
court
systems
consider
these
fish
and
game
offenses
very
serious.
So
it's
maybe
it's
not
equitable
across
the
state,
but
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
how
that's
dealt
with
in
your
day.
A
B
F
I
think
it,
I
think
it's
a
number
of
things.
I
think
it's
social,
I
think
opportunity
people
have
so
many
other
things
to
do.
My
phone
tells
me
you
know
I'm
on
it
four
to
six
hours
a
day.
I
don't
feel
like
I'm
on
my
phone
a
great
deal,
but,
but
obviously
I
am
people
have
ball
games,
they
have
other
interests.
F
Obviously
we
have
more
people
in
cities
than
in
rural
kentucky,
and
so
I
think
the
participation
rates
down
in
urban
areas,
but,
ultimately
to
answer
your
question.
I
think
it's
a
way
of
life.
I
think
that's
changed.
I
think
it
was
a
father
and
a
mother
pastor,
hunting
and
fishing
down
to
their
children,
and
now
we
have
mothers
and
fathers
that
both
have
a
job.
F
They've
got
people
caring
for
their
children
and
my
wife
and
I
we've
experienced
the
same
thing.
I
have
a
daughter
that
asked
me
why
daddy
hasn't
taken
her
coyote
hunting.
Lately,
it's
it's
just
we're
all
busy,
regardless
of
your
trade,
but
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
a
change
in
culture,
and
so
I
think
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
how
do
we
connect
with
youth?
F
I
actually
think
we'll
get
that
wrong.
Sometimes
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about.
How
do
we
connect
with
everybody?
So
we
have
a
lot.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
interested
in
fish
and
wildlife.
They
may
be
60
years
old.
They
they
like
go
fishing,
so
we
need
to
just
connect
with
all
kentuckians
and
non-residents
and
bring
them
to
our
state.
F
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
stone
for
your
presentation
appreciate
that
it's
a
little
fuzzy
for
bean,
but
maybe
you
can
go
back
and
explain
the
slide
that
shows
the
the
pension
funding
where
we
have
88
percent
kentucky
as
compared
to
tennessee
at
15,
clear
that
up
for
me
just
a
little
bit.
If
you
don't
mind.
F
So
for
simple
numbers,
we'll
say:
tennessee,
for
example,
they
pay
ten
thousand
dollars
for
fifty
thousand
dollar
employee
in
the
pension.
So
it's
difficult
for
us
to
say
we're
going
to
raise
our
agency's
wage.
I
think
the
midpoint
that
passed
a
few
years
ago
was
a
positive
thing,
but
when
we,
if
we
gave
a
five
percent
raise
to
our
employees,
it's
going
to
have
a
10
effect.
If
that
makes
sense,
because
it's
nearly
double.
B
F
Doesn't
include
the
other
employee
expenses,
so
88
we're
actually
happy
it's
88
one
point
I
heard
it's
going
to
be
93,
but
that's
88,
that's
where
we
are
with
our
non-hazardous
employees
and
and
to
clear
another
thing
up.
We
have
hazardous
duty,
employees
and
they're
at
about
half
that
rate,
and
so
that's
law
enforcement
right.
B
F
We
are
and
again,
if
you
looked
at
our
trend
pre-covered,
because
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
throw
these
coveted
numbers
out,
we
had
more
non-residents
coming
into
the
state,
but
we
have
a
steady
decline
of
residents
getting
back
to
way
of
life
right.
Thank.
B
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here.
I
love
to
say
that
I
think
kentucky
is
as
beautiful
as
any
beach
I've
ever
been
to,
and
I
think
that
we
probably
leave
tourism
dollars
on
the
table,
sometimes
where
we
could
be
attracting
even
more
and
people
to
our
beautiful
state
to
enjoy
it,
and
I
know
that
you
guys
have
a
lot
to
do
with
keeping
our
state
beautiful.
E
So
thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
thanks
for
being
here
today,
and
I
think
it's
no
secret
to
anybody
in
this
room
that
the
department
has
had
its
share
problems
over
the
last
decade
or
so,
and
even
in
recent
years
and
auditor
harmon
and
even
a.g
cameron
has
had
some
things
to
say
about
the
department.
So
can
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
things
that
you're
doing
to
improve
culture
and
improve
transparency,
issues
that
you've
had
recently.
F
It's
a
good
question.
I
I
can
tell
you
a
lot
of
the
things
that
that
happened
in
the
past,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to,
because
I
wasn't
a
part
of
any
of
any
of
that
rhetoric.
Even
the
the
audit
that
auditor
harmon
came
out
with,
was
you
know
a
year
prior
as
for
his
for
his
inspection,
but
I
I
feel
like
this
is
a
frankfurt
word,
but
transparency
we
we're
trying
to
communicate
with
people
in
ways
that
we
never
have
before.
F
We
again,
we
showed
you
that
we
have
400.
000
email
addresses
we're
surveying
our
sportsmen
and
women
across
the
state
non-residents
as
well
we're
trying
to
connect
with
people.
We
won't
know
what
they
think
and
some
people
reached
out
to
me
and
said.
Why
are
you
sending
all
these
surveys
this?
We?
We
have
survey
fatigue
well,
we
care,
and
when
we
have
a
group
that
comes
to
the
table,
they
have
15
members
and
they
make
a
suggestion.
Well,
we
may
have
5
000
responses
on
that
specific
topic
and
actually,
in
many
cases
we
do
so.
F
F
It's
the
talented
staff
that
we
have
and
so
we're
answering
questions
I'll
answer
any
tough
question
I'll
do
the
best
that
I
can
to
answer
any
tough
question,
but
I
feel
like
it's
it's
my
mission
to
move
this
agency
forward
so
that
we
don't
talk
about
the
past.
We
don't
we
don't
make
the
same
mistakes,
but
we
don't
spend
all
the
time
talking
about
what
other
other
people
did,
and
so
I
appreciate
your.
I.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
tackett
lafferty.
Please.
H
I
was
very
happy
to
hear
you
bring
up
your
three
conservation
camps
and
the
fact
that
over
covid
we've
seen
some
of
these
numbers
increase
locally,
because
I
have
received
countless
phone
calls
over
the
covid
period.
H
I
have
a
beautiful
state
park
in
my
district
and
we
have
a
golf
course
that
has
it's
no
longer
in
use
and
it's
basically
a
vacant
lot,
and
I
have
called
many
people.
I've
called
your
camp
web
different
places
to
see
about.
Is
there
some
sort
of
way
to
bring
an
opportunity
for
people
in
other
areas
who
may
not
want
to
take
their
children
three
hours
away
and
leave
them
for
a
week
at
a
time
to
still
experience
these
vital
life
skills
and
hunting
safety
courses
that
you
teach?
H
I
think
you
mentioned
it
earlier.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
have
have
a
different
lifestyle
nowadays.
You
know,
I
know
every
evening,
I'm
at
a
I'm
at
a
baseball
game
or
a
softball
field,
but
still
during
the
day,
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
take
my
kids
to
a
day
camp
that
may
help
interest
them
in
taking
them
to
camp
webb
and
grayson
or
or
you're
camping.
H
Is
it
camp
wallace,
and
you
never
know
if
that
may
expand
the
interest
in
some
of
these
conservation
camps,
but
I've
called
several
of
your
I've
called
your
camps.
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
and
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
interest.
How
would
we
develop
that
interest
and
kind
of
see
if
that's
something
that
we
can
make
happen.
I
F
Representative
fugit
can
even
speak
to
this,
but
he
he
wanted
to
get
local
residents
together
in
his
community
and
and
basically
teach
some
of
his
life
skills.
And
then
he
asked
we'd
help
well,
absolutely
we'll
help
we'll
tell
them
we'll
create
videos
we'll
show
up
we'll
do
anything
we
can
to.
You
know,
move
the
needle
in
your
community
and
I
think
that
maybe
something
similar
to
what
you're
looking
for,
but
some
people
can't
send
their
kids
to
camp
for
five
days
or
four
and
a
half
days.
F
H
Well,
I'd
love
to
receive
an
invitation
and
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
share
it
with
the
folks
in
my
community,
because
not
county
is
my
neighbor.
Actually
I
represent
floyd
county.
So
not
county
is
my
neighbor,
but
I
think
you
know,
like
you
said
we
have
bible
schools,
church
camps
and
those
are
mostly
day
camps
and
that's
why
people
are
able
to
attend,
and
I
just
think
that
if
we
could,
you
know
make
these
type
of
things
available
and
and
more
efficient
to
to
the
new
lifestyles
that
most
people
live.
H
F
A
Thanks,
thank
you.
We
still
have
five
members
in
the
queue
for
the
sake
of
time
and
knowing
that
we
have
another
presentation,
I'm
going
to
respectfully
ask
those
members
to
maybe
email
their
question.
Please
cc
me.
I
would
love
to
know
what
your
question
is
and
if
the
commissioner
would
cc
me
in
any
of
the
email
responses
that
will
help
us
stay
stay
on
the
same
page
literally,
I
am
fascinated
by
how
many
questions
we
have
literally.
A
The
pages
is
full,
so
this
just
demonstrates
that
you
all
are
important
and
of
interest
to
this
committee.
So
we
certainly
appreciate
you
being
here
today.
Co-Chair
schroeder
would
like
to
comment
before
I
then
close
and
we'll
change
to
thank.
B
You,
madam
chair
I'll,
jump
right
to
it
because
I
know
we're
short
on
timing,
like
you
mentioned,
and
so
going
back
to
the
pension
contribution
rate,
certainly
there's
a
huge
gap
between
number
one
kentucky
and
number
two
illinois.
G
But
to
offer
a
little
bit
of
help
house
bill
8
from
last.
B
G
B
F
Also
share
with
you
all
our
payroll
in
2007
was
exactly
the
same
as
2019,
and
that's
just
you
know
we're
not
moving
the
needle,
but
but
thank
you
for
for
that
comment.
I
appreciate
it.
A
Thank
you
co-chair,
thank
you,
commissioner,
and
all
of
your
staff
for
a
stellar
presentation.
Today,
I
think,
as
you
can
see,
our
committee
was
fascinated
with
your
presentation,
just
as
a
side
note,
as
our
presenters
are
maybe
switching
out
with
the
the
next
set
of
presenters.
As
a
as
a
note,
my
fellow
members
I
have
recently
given
well
over
the
past
18
months.
I
guess
four
kentucky
wild
memberships
to
different
people
for
their
for
their
birthday
gift,
and
it's
it's
just
been
very,
very
popular.
A
Please
come
to
the
table
please,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
representative
stevenson
for
bringing
this
to
my
attention
she's
going
to
have
some
remarks
in
a
moment
I
have
had
local
constituents
share
with
me
and
I
have
questions
about
the
iron
historical
markers
in
the
district
and
really
all
across
the
commonwealth,
since
I've
taken
over
the
responsibilities
and
the
duties
of
this
chair
and
representative
stevenson-
and
I
have
also
talked
about
it,
and
so
she
recommended
the
second
part
of
our
agenda
today.
J
J
One
of
those
one
is
it's
a
tough
act
to
follow.
Commissioner
storm
there.
He
has
all
the
fun
furry
animals
and
things,
and
just
for
just
for
the
record.
I
also
spent
the
last
part
of
first
part
of
my
career
working
in
environmental
education
too.
So
I
I
share
his
passion
and
interest
in
the
natural
resources
that
we
have
in
kentucky
and
it's
great
to
get
out
there
and,
and
they
tie
to
our
history
as
well.
J
So
I
mean
I
think
we
have
a
great
historic
connection
to
the
the
work
they're
doing
and
the
work
khs
is
doing.
I
know
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
invite
you
all
to
is
we
before
we
hit
the
covet
element,
we
had
actually
hosted
the
the
legislature
in
the
old
state
capitol
for
a
day
of
session.
J
I
think
we
were
celebrating
president's
day
when
we
we
did
that
one
of
the
thrills
of
of
my
career
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
I
do
hope
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
that
again
for
you,
so
we'll
try
to
work
out
the
logistics
for
making
that
happen.
So
it's
a
great
place
to
be
where
history
is-
and
I
think
we
share
that
with
the
commissioner
too,
is
that
we
both
get
to
work
in
the
power
of
the
authentic.
We
have.
We
have
the
real
things
he
has.
J
You
know
the
real
wildlife,
the
real
conservation
elements
and
we're
really
working
in
kentucky
history,
and
so
it's
a
great
great
element
for
us
to
be
with.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
the
kentucky
historical
study,
I'm
going
to
assume
a
lot
of
you
are
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
quickly.
We
educate
and
engage
through
kentucky
history
in
order
to
meet
the
challenges
of
the
future,
and
we
work
a
lot
of
different
programs.
J
I
do
want
to
start
off
before
I
introduce
my
my
fellow
panelists
here
is
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
got
this
morning,
a
2020
kentucky
tourism
kind
of
information,
31
of
people
visiting
kentucky,
come
to
our
cultural
sites.
So
when
you
look
at
the
the
power
of
history,
we
utilize
a
lot
of,
and
I
always
try
to
figure
out
how
how
this
ties
directly
into
the
economic
development.
J
One
of
the
other
things
that
I
wanted
to
mention
as
kind
of
a
takeaway.
I
know
we're
going
to
focus
on
the
historical
markers
program
and-
and
we've
talked
about
this-
I
think
going
into
one
of
the
elements
we're
seeing
is
in
the
investment
in
our
kentucky
history.
J
This
has
been
a
long
time
coming
for
for
us
and
we've
seen
as
you've
all
talked
about
with
commissioner
storm,
whether
it's
pension
reform
or
things
like
that,
our
general
fund
appropriations
have
gone
down
over
the
years
and
how
that
ends
up
playing
out
in
and
how
we
provide
our
services
for
kentucky
history.
I
hope
this
group
will
give
us
a
little
bit
of
insight
of
one
particular
program,
specifically
that
it
has
an
impact
on.
J
So
with
me,
I'm
going
to
let
our
my
my
guests
here
introduce
themselves
but
they're
also
joining
me
today.
So
kurt
you
want
to
start
us
off.
I
D
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
foster
ackerman
jr.
I
am
president
and
chief
historian
of
what
has
been
called
the
lexington
history
museum,
but
we've
been
reinventing
ourself
during
the
shutdown
and
we're
now
lex
history.
We
have
visual
video,
even
audio
ways
to
tell
lexington's
story
in
production
is
the
first
ever
audio
history
of
lexington,
so
that
those
who
are
visually
impaired
can
learn
our
history,
not
just
those
who
are
able
to
go
to
an
exhibit
or
watch
a
documentary
and
I'll
have
more
on
that.
At
the
end
of
the
program.
A
A
B
Excuse
me,
I
would
just
like
to
thank
mr
ackerman
for
everything
he's
doing
at
the
history
history
museum
and
appreciate
his
looking
into
the
cheap
side
park
issue
and
renaming
it
the
tandy
park.
So
thank
you
for
everything
you're
doing.
A
J
And
before
I
turn
it
over
to
kurt
for
our
our
formal
presentation,
one
of
the
things
I
like
to
point
out
to
people
kate,
the
kentucky
historical
society
is
a
membership
organization,
and
so
we
represent
a
passionate
group
of
people
across
the
commonwealth.
J
Ironically,
during
the
pandemic,
I
met
kurt
up
in
our
research
library
and
he
talks
to
us
about
this
project
that
he's
going
to
present
to
you
today,
but
it
happened
to
coincide
with
work
that
we
were
also
doing
at
khs
during
the
pandemic.
So
with
that
kurt
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you.
Thank
you
very.
I
Much
I'll
try
to
be
brief,
but
this
is
something
I've
been
doing
for
over
three
years
now
I
get
a
little
excited
about
it,
so
the
roadside
market
program
actually
began
in
1935
during
the
great
depression,
when
earl
wallace,
who
was
a
lexington
businessman
and
an
engineer,
encountered
historic
marker
installations
in
virginia
during
his
trips,
and
he
noticed
that
they
seemed
to
have
an
impact
on
local
interests
and
tourism.
I
I
I
The
market
itself,
which
we
can
see
here
with
the
seal
and
the
common
with
of
the
commonwealth
prominent
on
top,
was
designed
by
the
society,
and
it's
the
prototype
for
markers
that
we
have
today
next
time,
actually
with
this
this
time,
if
we
could
go
back
so
we
see
ashland,
backhouse
and
mary
todd
lincoln.
I
These
are,
for
the
most
part,
the
original
ones
that
they
installed
back
house
was
a
little
different
in
that
it's
painted,
but
ashland
was
the
first
one
to
be
placed
in
kentucky
next
slide.
Please
of
the
25
markers
planned
21
were
actually
placed
in
the
end,
the
society
lacked
the
funds
to
complete
its
goal
and
its
supplier
lost
the
master
mold
in
bankruptcy.
I
Despite
this,
theirs
was
the
first
organized
effort
to
locate
and
memorialize
historic
sites
in
kentucky.
While
they
didn't
complete
their
goal,
they
were
instrumental
in
starting
a
movement
that
would
grow
and
thrive
beyond
their
efforts.
Their
work
led
to
an
increase
in
tourism
and
general
interest
in
the
state
and
provided
a
valuable
educational
opportunity
for
the
community.
I
I
I
Where
are
we
on
slide?
Nine.
J
I
Slide
nine
here
we
have
a
picture
of
the
actual
historical
marker
society.
Dedication
at
ashland
at
to
the
left
immediately
of
the
marker
is
lieutenant
governor
keane
johnson,
and
this
is
the
only
known
picture
of
the
historical
marxist
society.
I
I
I
One
could
argue
that
the
markers
are
historic
in
their
own
right,
as
we
have
seen.
Many
are
in
need
of
attention
and
thankfully,
several
been
renewed
or
replaced
through
the
efforts
of
the
kentucky
historical
society
and
the
local
community
with
the
original
markers
in
a
say
in
such
a
state,
it
was
natural
to
wonder
in
what
condition
and
to
what
extent
other
markers
placed
in
later
years
were
in
need
of
restoration
and
with
that
I'll
give
it
over
to
foster.
D
And
so
with
kurt's
leadership.
We
are
conducting
a
survey
in
fayette
county
that
will
lead
to
a
gps
identifier
for
each
marker,
present
or
former,
and
build
towards
adding
that
information
into
the
tourist
quiver
of
eras.
To
go
back
to
the
commissioners
metaphors
for
people
visiting
in
lexington
and
visit
lexington,
our
convention
visitors
bureau
program,
while
it's
not
financially
able
to
support
this,
supports
it
in
concept
and
looks
forward
to
our
result.
D
We
tell
lex
history.
Our
short
mission
is
to
tell
lexington's
story
to
everybody
every
way
and
so
we're
no
longer
focusing
on
just
being
an
exhibit
hall.
We
do
temporary
exhibits
in
other
people's
facilities
right
now,
but
we're
doing
the
audio
history.
We're
supporting
a
documentary.
History
called
chronicles
that
emmy
award-winning
producer,
doug,
high
and
head
of
the
kentucky
historical
society
foundation
has
has
done
volume.
One
ket
has
aired
it
and
it
has
been
dominated
for
a
regional
emmy
in
the
documentary
category.
D
So
there
is
a
lot
going
on
mostly
behind
the
scenes
in
the
history
world,
but
we
attract
our
own
group
of
of
people
who
are
interested
in
lexington
history,
and
yesterday
we
brought
in
a
family
portrait
that
had
been
in
a
family
for
seven
generations
of
the
president
of
the
first
bank
in
lexington
and
we've
just
brought
that
into
our
collection
and
are
processing
that
and
a
couple
of
other
family
members.
So
I'm
here
to
to
support
these
and
to
answer
your
questions.
J
Picking
up
where
kurt
left
off
there
in
in
the
1490s
and
I'm
sorry
in
1949,
that
would
have
been
a
long
time
ago.
The
market
program
becomes
a
statewide
program.
J
The
subjects
the
texts
and
locations
of
the
markers
were
determined
by
a
committee
with
consultation
from
historians,
including
dr
thomas
clark
in
1962,
facing
increased
budget
strain
committee,
turnover
and
low
participation
and
changes
at
the
kentucky
historical
society.
The
kentucky
historical
highway
markers
committee
disbanded
under
the
leadership
of
colonel
george
m
chin.
The
kentucky
historical
society
took
over
the
day-to-day
operations
of
the
program
as
a
function
of
khs's
role
in
the
state.
Since
that
time,
we've
redesigned
the
markers,
so
they
are
larger
and
allow
up
to
66
characters
of
text
an
early
version
of
twitter.
J
J
Today,
our
historical
markers
program
is
a
community
driven
effort.
What
does
that
mean?
It
means
that
we
rely
upon
the
community
to
come
to
us
through
an
application
process
and
a
review
process
to
determine
what
history
is
going
to
be
marked
at
that
spot,
sometimes
that
application
process
can
take
over
a
year
to
complete
and
believe
it
or
not.
Sometimes
we
get
applications
and
they're
like
I
have
an
event
going
next
week.
Can
we
get
a
marker?
J
Here
we
are
able
to
expand
the
histories
told
on
the
markers,
the
app
supports
multimedia
resources,
including
images
from
print
and
object
collections,
which
may
come
from
the
local
history
organizations
that
help
support
us
oral
histories,
videos
and
audio
recordings.
As
of
may
2021,
there
are
875
entries
far
less
than
the
200
2500
markers
we
have
with
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
annual
visitors
to
the
site.
We
also
maintain
an
online
database
for
all
markers
at
history.ky.gov
and
it's
relatively
basic
and
functional.
J
In
fact,
it
predates
when
I
even
started
the
historical
society
14
years
ago,
but
basic
analytics
show
that
explore
ky
history
is
very
well
indexed
among
google.
What
does
that
mean?
It
means
that
google
views
this
site
its
information
in
khs.
As
reputable,
we
have
an
excellent
search
engine
engine
optimization.
So
when
you
go
in
and
google
any
of
the
topics
or
subject
matters
in
on
the
markers
and
explore
ky
history,
it
usually
returns
one
of
your
top
returns
for
your
shirts.
J
So
what
are
the
challenges
that
we
are
facing
today
in
our
program
beginning
before
the
pandemic
even
began?
We
started
to
see
that
we
were
having
an
issue.
We
had
at
least
200
known
markers
that
were
missing
or
damaged,
and
that's
just
what
we
were
aware
of.
The
total
cost
of
that
was
going
to
be
about
310
000
in
order,
and
we
were
going
to
have
to
request
that
from
the
local
community
sponsors
to
make
these
changes
happen
just
kind
of
a
little
breakdown.
J
You
would
see
that
there
were
11
000
in
need
of
refer
for
refurbishment
50,
57
000.
That
would
need
both
a
refurbishment,
new
post,
242,
000
of
complete
replacements,
and
even
if
we
were
meeting
that
thing,
it
would
take
us
at
the
rate.
We
were
going
20
years
to
clear
that
backlog.
J
Jump
ahead,
so
during
the
pandemic
we
did
a
an
audit
of
our
marker
program
of
all
250
000
markers.
We
assess
their
their
condition
and
their
physical
location,
or
at
least
the
best.
We
could.
We
had
to
reach
out
to
community
members
to
try
to
help
us
at
least
identify
where
they
were
and
what
were
going
on.
630
of
those
markers
we
identified
as
potentially
contested
subject
matter
interpretive
matter
and
that's
not
only
natural
over
time.
J
J
Sorry,
one
of
the
elements
that
we
also
noticed
is
that
we
had
a
bit
of
a
disconnect
between
the
physical
markers
and
the
in
the
local
community
and
again
that's
because
over
the
history
of
the
program
that
kurt
was
describing
and
what
came
after
that
folks
have
moved
on,
and
so
these
markers
have
been
around
for
some
time
and
some
folks
didn't
even
notice
that
they
were
missing
a
marker.
J
So
we
reached
out
and
we're
contacting
people
to
make
sure
they
would
be
aware
that
we
were
doing
this
audit
and
kind
of
finding
who
would
be
a
local
connection.
That
would
help
us
support
any
work
that
we
might
do
to
those.
Let
me
jump
back
so
over
the
past
12
months,
the
teams
actually
starting
in
about
january.
J
As
part
of
this
audit,
we
took
on
the
opportunity
to
address
the
fact
that
one,
the
foundry
that
actually
produces
markers,
had
shut
down
due
to
the
pandemic.
The
other
part
was
we
weren't
able
to
do
public
gatherings
to
do
the
dedication.
So
we
used
the
opportunity
to
take
a
pause.
Do
the
audit
and
try
to
to
clear
as
much
of
that
backlog
as
we
possibly
could
do
so
today
we
have
serviced
82
of
those
markers
58
of
those
being
total
replacements,
24,
those
being
a
refurbishment.
J
We
tried
to
look
and
make
sure
that
we
could
cover
as
many
different
counties
as
possible
around
the
commonwealth
of
this
with
this
project.
So
we
end
up
servicing
39
of
those
that
we
had
determined
were
missing
or
in
need
of
refurbishment,
and
that
came
from
khs
general
funds
to
the
to
the
amount
of
146
715.
J
By
the
way,
there's
a
a
great
little
amendment
addendum
that
story
when
we
call
the
foundry
and
unfortunately
it's
not
a
kentucky,
foundry,
there's,
not
one
that
that
is
able
to
do
that
kind
of
work
in
kentucky
up
in
ohio,
and
we
were
first
like
there's
no
way
they
can
handle
this
kind
of
work
even
on
a
regular
basis,
and
they
had
informed
us
that
they
had
they
had
furloughed
all
their
employees,
but
that
if
we
would
guarantee
them
that
we
could
do
this
kind
of
work,
they
were
able
to
bring
their
employees
back
to
work.
J
So
it
felt
really
good
that
we
were
able
to
help
as
part
of
some
of
the
recovery
for
this
kind
of
kind
of
work,
and
also
like
I
mentioned
a
while
ago.
We
could
not
do
this
work
without
the
help
of
the
department
of
transportation
through
their
regional
centers.
They
helped
us
with
the
removal,
the
transportation
and
now
the
reinstallation
of
our
marker
program
going
forward.
So
they've
been
working
really
hard
on
this
with
us
as
well.
J
Well,
we
already
know
that
the
program
enjoys
the
benefit
of
local
communities,
raising
awareness
of
their
local
history,
but
we
want
to
tie
that
historical
narrative
across
the
entire
commonwealth
sponsors
and
marcus
reporters
often
turn
to
khs
to
validate
their
history.
However,
that
validation
doesn't
come
from
the
kentucky
historical
society
that
comes
from
the
broader
kentucky
history
research
community.
J
J
If,
as
current
was
doing
his
research-
and
you
heard
it
really
was
isolated
within
a
small
committee
of
people
deciding
what
that
historical
interpretation
was
going
to
be,
we
also
as
part
of
the
review
and
application
process.
Ask
for
this
historical
research
and
and
have
these
applicants
show
us
the
historical
evidence
that
supports
their
their
findings
and
what
they
want
to
put
up
onto
their
marker.
J
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
make
connections
between
markers
across
communities,
regions
and
throughout
throughout
the
commonwealth,
and
then
our
histories
represent
the
diversity
of
kentucky.
As
we
were
doing
the
audit.
We
noticed
that
we
do
have
a
fairly
unbalanced
story
of
kentucky
going
on
here,
and
so
we
could
preference
other
stories
that
need
to
be
told
and
brought
forward
whether
it's
regional
histories,
whether
it's
simple
local
histories
or
topics,.
D
Let
me
just
interject
one
comment
about
the
scholarship
involved.
I've
been
involved
in
submitting
an
application
for
a
marker
successfully.
I've
also
been
involved
in
joining
genealogical
heritage
societies.
This
one's
tougher,
I
mean
it's
not
just
the
assertion
that
something
happened.
You've
got
to
cite
an
academic
history
or
contemporary
news
account,
or
something
to
back
up
what
you
want
to
put
on
one
of
these
markers.
So
these
are
not
a
casual
program.
J
Thank
you-
and
I
can
I'd
be
happy
to
share
stories
of
where,
where
it's
really
exciting,
to
get
with
these
community
sponsors
and
actually
talk
through
the
historical
evidence
and
help
work
through
accuracy,
issues
and
and
language
issues.
Because
again
remember
we
get
600
something
characters
to
tell
this
story
on,
but
it
also
again
lives
on
this
website.
So
we
have
lots
of
opportunities
to
expand
out
these
stories,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
grounded
in
good
historical
scholarship.
J
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
leveraging
the
grassroots
strength
of
this
program
so
where
it
began
early
with
the
small
committees.
Now
it
has
has
broadened
its
base
to
come
from
the
local
communities.
We
do
so
many
markers-
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
this,
but
but
you
know
we're
putting
up
20
to
30
markers
a
year
and
I
feel
like
what
we're
doing
is
we're
touching
a
a
large
number
of
people
just
just
temporarily.
J
How
do
we
take
this
program
and
make
it
a
more
meaningful
impact
for
those
local
communities
and
drive
a
stronger
relationship
not
just
with
us,
but
also
with
places
across
the
commonwealth?
How
do
we
raise
awareness
of
this
program
and
again
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
moment.
These
are
the
logistical
elements.
How
do
we
provide
a
mechanism
for
review
as
we
go
forward?
J
This
is
kind
of
unprecedented
where
we've
had
statues
and
monuments
being
looked
at
and
markers
were
not
far
behind
where
we
started
getting
phone
calls
of
people
asking
us.
Will
you
look
at
this
marker?
Is
this
appropriate
for
this
to
be
here?
Should
I
be
worried
about
this
being
in
my
front
yard
things
like
that,
and
we
don't
really
have
a
mechanism
for
that
kind
of
review
to
happen
so
we're
working
on
establishing?
J
How
do
we
go
back
and
do
that?
We've
always
been
focused
on
the
the
setting
of
the
marker.
I
don't
know
that
there's
been
many
outsider
safety
reasons,
requests
for
a
marker
to
be
removed
and
then
what's
the
sustainability
of
this
program,
including
a
maintenance
fund
for
the
repair
and
replacement
of
damaged
markers-
and
I
know
I
get
it-
everybody
comes
to
you
all,
hey.
We
need
more
funding,
but
just
let
me
give
you
a
little
example
here,
and
this
has
actually
happened.
J
You
can
do
a
marker
dedication
on
a
saturday
and
the
local
community
has
come
up
with
the
5
000
or
so
to
have
that
marker
placed
and
a
vehicle
takes
that
marker
out
on
monday
and
there's
no
funds
to
put
that
marker
back
without
going
back
to
the
local
community,
and
I
just
can't
in
good
conscience
know
that
that's
being
good
stewards
of
kentucky's
history
to
ask
them
to
go
out
and
put
another
three
thousand
dollar
bill
or
five
thousand
dollar
bill
to
do
that.
J
While
I
have
a
microphone
and
representative
king
gave
me
this
opening,
because
I
want
to
talk
about
just
real
briefly,
our
investment
in
local
history
and
you
have
coming
up
and
then-
and
we
just
passed
at
the
last
session,
the
two
commissions
to
form
secure,
centennial
commissions.
J
We're
going
to
be
seeing
this
over
the
next
few
years
and
the
idea
of
investing
in
local
history
is
where
the
strength
of
that
program
is
really
going
to
lie.
I
just
wanted
to
toss
out
here
some
of
the
the
preliminary
pillars
that
we
might
rest
this
on
is
education,
heritage,
tourism,
the
signature
events
that
we
have
grant
programs
and
our
liaison
to
national
partners.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
this
in
the
marker
program.
J
D
While
he
was
talking,
this
will
be
the
fifth
year
that
I
give
a
talk
to
the
lexington
leadership
class,
about
the
importance
of
knowing
history
to
community
leaders
and
the
best
example
in
that
half-hour
presentation
is
the
question
of
confederate
monuments
on
the
fayette
county,
courthouse
lawn,
the
mayor
and
every
one
of
our
council
members
had
no
idea
that
that
was
going
to
be
an
issue
during
their
term
when
it
exploded
onto
the
scene,
and
several
of
us
in
the
historic
community
were
consulted
to
say.
Give
me
the
context.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I
do
have
one
brief
question,
but
for
the
sake
of
time
I
am
going
to
defer
that
I'll
just
email
you
and
follow
up
with
you
all
personally
for
that,
but
I
would
love
at
this
time
to
give
representative
stevenson
the
opportunity
for
the
first
question
and
then
we'll
circle
back
for
a
final
comment.
E
Thank
you,
chairwoman.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
doing
this.
I
am
a
I'm
a
huge
history
buff.
I
I
love
history,
and
so
I,
when
kurt
emailed
me
to
tell
me
that
he
was
working
on
this
project.
I
was
really
excited
and
thank
you,
chairwoman,
king
for
the
opportunity
for
me
to
bring
this
forward
and
to
our
committee.
E
I
I
think
it's
so
important.
I
think
there
are
just
so
many
great
things
about
this
program.
I
mean
for
each
of
us
individually
to
know
and
to
have
these
things
marked,
but
I
think
it's
great
because
it
brings
in
tourism
and
I
have
the
app
on
my
phone.
I
think
it's
great,
I
think
more
people
need
to
know
about
that.
We've
got
to
find
a
better
way
to
market
that
app,
but
I
also
think
it's
great
that
it's
there
just
it's.
It's
good
free,
family,
fun.
E
You
know
people
are
looking
for
things
to
do
with
their
kids,
so
you
know
you
get
in
and
you
just
go
exploring
around
kentucky
and
I
think
too
many
people
don't
take
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
So,
let's,
let's
talk
about
the
app
just
a
little
bit
and
about
that
marketing
and
anything
that
you
guys
are
doing
and
if
there's
any
way
that
we
can
help
you
to
to
do
that.
J
Yes,
the
app's,
a
great
piece.
In
fact,
during
the
pandemic,
we
did
see
actual
usage
of
it
go
up
as
families
were
it's
a.
It
was
a
great,
socially
distant
you're
in
the
car,
with
your
family
able
to
go
out
and
do
these
tours
the
app
when
you
when,
if
you
log
on
to
it
and
actually
have
some
business
cards,
if
you'd
like
to
help
recall
the
url
to
get
to
the
site,
but
we're
actually
using
that
site
to
and
it's
organized
by
tours.
J
So
as
we
add
more
in
and
and
that's
what
we're
actually
facing,
we
talked
about
in
a
staff
meeting
this
morning.
The
idea
of
adding
more
tours
again
only
800
and
something
markers
are
on
of
the
2500
are
on
there.
So
if
we
add
them
all,
I'm
looking
at
my
woodford
county
representatives
over
there,
I've
been
pushing
my
team
to
get
our
woodford
county
ones
on
there.
Some
of
them
are
but
the
more
we
get
on
there.
D
Very
briefly,
ma'am
chair,
we
found
at
lex
history
back
in
our
original
physical
site
before
we
had
to
leave
the
old
courthouse,
but
in
our
web
experience
as
well,
which
is
driving
the
process
of
revising
our
website.
We
are
a
regular
source
for
home
school
children
who
have
a
history
component.
They
have
to
satisfy
and
they
are
able
to
come
to
our
website
their
website
and
do
that
part
of
their
education
without
necessarily
going
to
a
school
trip
or
driving
to
frankfurt,
to
see
the
historic
society.
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
guess
a
couple
comments.
One
you
know
as
far
as
marker
being
taken
out
with
not
liability
insurance
place
that
and
then
I
guess
second,
when
you
talked
about
the
600
monuments
in
need
of
replacement
and
the
cost
associated
with
that,
how
much
of
that
is
due
to
deterioration
and
how
much
of
that
is
due
to,
I
guess,
opinions
by
certain
people
that
those
monuments
need
to
be
revised
due
to
some
more
recent
complaints.
J
Most,
the
renovation
type
ones
are
not
in
that
600
number.
That
was
actually
a
larger,
a
larger
number
for
us.
J
We
wouldn't
panel
a
review
group,
so
some
of
them
have
come
from
and
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me.
I
can
get
those
for
you.
We
don't
have
as
far
as
a
community
comments
or
input
on
that
kind
of
thing.
Some
of
that
was
just
a
cursory
look
at
going
in
and
looking
at,
which
ones
might
have
some
some
things
that
we
should
do
a
deeper
dive
into.
J
In
that
case,
we
would
consult
with
other
historians
and
other
groups
to
kind
of
look
at
that
a
little
bit
further
to
see
if
there's
changes.
If
any
and
like
I
said
I
would
imagine
that
there's,
maybe
just
some
language,
some
more
modernization
in
language
that
would
maybe
be
required,
and
most
of
those
would
would
go
on
without
issue.
A
J
Yes,
I
almost
missed
commissioner
storm
was
doing
this.
I
invite
you
to
attend
any
marker
dedication.
We
try
very
hard
to
send
out
to
you
letters
where
we're
installing
a
marker
in
your
area
of
the
80
that
we're
doing,
I
believe,
we're
also
trying
to
arrange
just
to
make
sure
people
are
aware
that
the
the
reinstallation
of
the
refurbished
markers
are
going
back
up
as
well.
Those
are
ongoing
now
so
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.