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A
Is
apologize
to
the
public
for
this
building
not
being
opened?
I
was
very
surprised
when
I
came
to
the
front
doors
and
they
were
still
locked.
A
I'm
told
that
this
is
an
executive
branch
decision
and
I
have
been
in
contact
with
them
and
in
contact
with
our
leadership
to
try
to
encourage
our
building
to
be
back
open.
I'm
told
right
now
that
it's
going
to
be
july
1st,
so
hopefully,
hopefully
that
will
happen.
A
We
have
some
new
members
on
the
committee.
I
want
to
welcome.
We
have
vice
chair
jason,
howe
jason.
Are
you
with
us
remotely.
B
A
There
you
are
okay,
jason.
Thank
you
he's
going
to
serve
as
vice
chair
and
it's
great
to
have
him
here.
He
did
an
able
job
during
the
session
senator
gerald
neal
representative,
patrick
flannery,
representative
reginald,
meeks
and
representative
killian
timmony.
A
I
would
like
to
re
remind
those
members
that
are
remotely
to
when
you
answer
roll
call.
Please
tell
us
whether
you
are
where
you're
at
also
please
mute
your
microphones
at
home
and
if
you're
you
do,
unless
you
want
to
be
recognized,
do
we
have
a
quorum.
C
A
A
The
interim
is
a
very
important
time
of
year
for
this
committee,
because
we
pride
ourselves
in
this
committee
of
airing
legislation
before
it
is
heard
during
the
regular
session,
so
it
can
get
the
proper,
the
proper
input
from
the
citizens
and
the
legislative
legislators
and
the
professions
that
it
affect,
and
the
first
bill
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
today.
Senate
bill
195
is
one
of
those
bills.
I
want
to
thank
the
bill's
sponsor
senator
karen
byrd
for
her
patience
with
this
bill.
A
F
This
bill
basically
allows
inmates
who
were
trained
and
received
a
limited
certification
as
a
first
responder
or
an
emergency
medical
technician
emt,
while
incarcerated
to
apply
to
the
ems
board
to
continue
to
be
certified
once
released
from
prison.
As
senator
shikha
alluded.
I
did
file
this
bill
in
the
2021
session,
but
it
was
late
in
a
very
short
session.
There
was
no
opportunity
for
the
committee
to
hear
it,
and
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
your
time
to
listen
to
us
today.
F
The
global
pandemic
highlighted
the
importance
and
demand
for
skilled
health
care
workers,
and
this
is
particularly
prevalent
in
hospitals,
correctional
facilities,
where
we
witnessed
a
significant
spike
in
coveted
cases,
and
I
think
a
program
such
as
this
would
really
greatly
benefit
our
kentucky
communities
and
local
healthcare
organizations.
F
Mr
john
mark
hutchinson,
who
msn
is
a
constituent
and
a
nurse
in
the
emergency
room
down
at
norton
hospital
downtown?
He
is
the
one
that
brought
this
to
my
attention
when
he
explained
the
problem
to
me.
I
completely
understood-
and
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
mr
hutchinson,
to
give
you
all
just
a
little
bit
of
background
of
what
we're
talking
about.
Thank
you.
G
Thanks
for
having
me
I'm
glad
to
be
here
today,
my
name
is
john
mark
hutcherson.
I'm
a
nurse
downtown
and
the
er
a
couple
years
ago,
prior
to
the
covid
pandemic,
the
any
run
from
a
kentucky
state
reformatory
system
will
be
done
by
these
the
limited
emt
inmates
they
do
all
the
runs.
G
I
receive
report
from
different
emts
in
these
scenarios
and
there
were
some
that
are
just
amazing,
all
of
them
very
professional,
very
good.
As
in
any
profession,
you
can
have
the
spectrum
of
really
good
and
not
so
good,
even
in
politics,
I'm
sure
when
I
spoke
to
joe
johnson
about
hey
what
happens
when
you
get
out.
G
G
G
We
say
we
do
respect
you
enough
as
a
person
that
we're
gonna
allow
you
to
take
this
training
and
you're
gonna
pass
this
training
you're
going
to
do
the
same
work
that
all
these
other
emts
do,
but
you've
messed
up
too
much,
and
we
know
you
have
to
get
a
job,
but
you
can't
have
this
job
and
there
are
so
many
scenarios
that
we
can
think
about.
We
can
brainstorm
about.
We
go
well
this
scenario
and
this
scenario
and
this
scenario
I
don't
want
that
person
working
on
me.
G
How
do
do
we
do
character,
evaluations
on
every
medical
professional?
No,
no!
We
don't
how?
How
bold
is
it?
Dare
I
say,
arrogant
of
us
to
put
that
on
someone
you're
a
felon.
You
cannot
serve
in
this
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
those
sentencing
that
sentence
was
complete
and
they've
been
released
from
jail.
I
want
to
implore
you
that
if
our
correctional
institutions
are
tasked
with
the
responsibility
to
see
these
people
carry
out,
their
sentencing
be
rehabilitated,
be
released,
but
then
say
well
we're
not
going
to
fully
allow
you
to
return
to
society.
G
As
far
as
the
world's
concerned,
america
is
very
far
behind
in
the
way
that
we
treat
those
who
have
been
incarcerated.
The
national
registry
does
recognize
emts
in
other
states.
Kentucky
is
behind
in
catching
up
with
what
our
communities
need
as
kentuckians.
It
is
vitally
important
for
us
to
remove
hurdles.
D
A
F
A
testimony
I
would
like
to
introduce
mr
chuck
o'neill,
mr
chuck
o'neill
is
the
associate
director.
H
It's
the
I'm,
the
deputy
director
for
the
kentucky
board
of
ems
over
administration,
and
I
think
he
has.
F
H
And
thank
you
you're
welcome.
Welcome
to
the
committee.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
do
have
a
few
prepared
comments.
I'll
try
to
make
it
brief
sure.
A
We,
the
only
thing
I
would
ask,
is
do
not
state
anything.
That's
already
already
been
testified
to
thank
you.
H
Yes,
sir,
I
thank
senator
berg
for
inviting
me
to
speak
today
on
this
bill
and
I
believe
that
the
intent
of
the
bill
to
put
incarcerated
felons
to
work
upon
release
is
noble,
and
I
believe
that
more
bills
should
be
dedicated
to
work
related
programs
to
incarcerated
individuals.
That
being
said,
I'm
here
today
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
bill.
H
The
kentucky
board
of
emergency
medical
services,
as
well
as
our
colleagues
at
the
kentucky
board
of
medical
licensure
and
the
kentucky
board
of
nursing,
are
charged
with
ensuring
that
the
safety
of
the
citizens
of
the
commonwealth
as
a
regulatory
body.
It
is
our
responsibility,
as
delegated
by
the
general
assembly
to
vet
applicants
for
certification
licensure
and
to
provide
adequate
background
checks
of
applicants
to
ensure
that
patients,
their
families
and
their
property
is
safe.
During
an
emergency
emergency,
medical
services
is
a
multi-disciplinary
profession
that
is
part
public
safety
and
part
health
care.
H
Our
colleagues
in
law
enforcement
do
not
allow
convicted
felons
to
become
peace
officers
and
our
colleagues
in
health
care
do
not
allow
physicians,
physician,
assistants,
nurse
practitioners
or
nurses
to
be
felons
either.
Why
is
that?
It's
about
protecting
the
public
and
ensuring
public
trust
in
the
state
and
the
state
entities
that
vet
applicants.
H
Another
consideration
is
that
many
of
the
individuals
have
convictions
related
to
manufacturing
and
distributing
or
abusing
controlled
substances.
Controlled
substances
are
accessible
on
nearly
every
advanced
life
support
ambulance
in
kentucky
and
in
every
hospital
in
kentucky
the
risk
of
controlled
substance
diversion
is
not
worth
the
benefit.
H
Another
consideration
on
this
matter
is
also
something
called
the
oig
exclusion
list.
The
office
of
the
inspector
general
exclusion
list.
You
can
be
placed
on
the
federal
oig
exclusion
list
for
illegally
manufacturing
controlled
substances.
If
you
have
been
found
guilty
of
manufacturing
a
controlled
substance,
you
will
be
placed
on
the
oig
exclusion
list.
What
this
means
is
that
the
individual
cannot
work
for
any
entity
that
participates
in
a
federally
funded
health
program.
H
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
I
want
to
get
back
to
a
couple
of
mr
hutcherson's
comments.
Mr
o'neal,
you
did
a
great
job
of
testifying
and
I
share
almost
all
of
your
concerns,
mr
hutchinson.
A
Your
testimony,
the
tone
of
it
is,
is
that
somehow
there's
some
sort
of
intentional
oppression
or
discrimination,
and
I
just
think
that
is
way
way
way
off.
The
mark
senator
byrd's
bill
which
which
she's
worked
on
hard,
and
I
do
actually
think
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
do
to
help
help
with
that
bill.
A
It's
simply
trying
to
save
that
person's
life
and
at
that
time,
when
a
citizen
is
most
vulnerable,
just
to
have
a
blanket
statement
where
we're
going
just
going
to
let
people
who
maybe
have
convicted
of
drug
offenses
theft
and
things
of
this
nature
and
say:
oh
we're
just
going
to
turn
you
loose
in
someone's
house,
I
think
is,
is
not
prudent
is
not
rep
is
not
respecting
the
public
and
I
just
resent
a
little
bit
the
tone
that
somehow
that
these
regulations
are
somehow
intentionally
discriminatory
or
intentionally
oppressing
people.
A
G
May
I
just
say
please
forgive
me
for
my
my
tone
there
and
I
do
not
imply
that
to
you
or
anyone
here.
So
I
I.
D
Representative
mccoy,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
two
quick
questions
that
I'll
ask
is
one
and
I
don't
care
who
answers
them
just
to
clarify
the
initial
emt
license.
That's
given
to
the
prisoner
is
that
done
to
the
exact
same
standards
as
it
is
every
other
emt
and
second
question:
is
it
your
intention
under
this
bill
that
if
they
apply,
they
are
automatically
going
to
continue
or
would
they
just
be
sort
of
applying
like
a
new
person?
Would
thank
you
again.
H
Yes,
representative,
mccoy
I'll
address
your
first
question
and
senator
burke
will
address
the
second
part.
The
provisions
of
training
are
not
the
same
actually
for
those
felons
are
certified
with
a
department
of
corrections,
emt
certification,
that's
authorized
under
krs
311a
0.200,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
our
national
board
exam
physicians,
take
board
examinations
called
the
usmle,
their
standardized
national
examinations,
nurses,
take
an
examination
called
the
nclex,
emts
and
paramedics.
Take
an
examination
called
the
national
registry.
H
Examination
and
felons
are
not
eligible
for
certification
or
testing
through
the
national
registry
of
emts.
So
through
the
provisions
of
krs-311a
0.200,
we
do
have.
The
ability
to
the
the
facility
has
the
ability
to
train
the
individuals
that
are
incarcerated
and
they
do
take
an
examination
similar
to
the
national
registry.
But
it
is
not
actually
the
national
registry
exam.
It's
what
we
call
an
assessment
examination
that's
similar
to
the
national
registry,
but
it
is
not.
They
do
not
complete
a
program
and
become
nationally
registered
because
they're
not
eligible.
F
And
sir,
if
I
may
address
some
of
those
questions.
F
Sir,
thank
you
I'm
sorry.
The
national
registry
of
emergency
technician
says
that
you
can
deny
somebody
a
seat
at
their
board
if
they
have
a
felony
conviction,
it
lays
out
what
reasons
you
may
want
to
use
for
that.
It
is
an
option.
It
is
not
an
absolute
basically.
All
we
are
asking
with
this
bill
is.
F
F
F
This
is
not
what
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about.
People
who
committed
felonies
then
got
their
license,
we're
asking
that
they
be
allowed
the
chance
to
keep
it
and
there
are
health
care
providers
all
over
this
state
who
are
under
supervision
from
their
board,
and
I
can
promise
you
that
either
for
drug-related
offenses
for
personal
offenses.
F
B
Chairman
koenig,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Some
of
my
questions
were
asked
and
answered,
and
one
question
I
have
that
is
not
doesn't
necessarily
indicate.
Support
or
opposition
to.
This
is,
if
it's
good,
for
those
that
learn
to
be
an
emt
during
their
time
in
incarceration.
B
F
F
F
I
am
asking
as
a
state
that
we
give
them
the
opportunity
to
sit
in
front
of
their
board,
have
their
history
reviewed
and
let
their
board
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
they
can
supervise
them
appropriately.
Remember
emts,
never
work
alone,
and
I
can
speak
to
chairman
shiko
when
you
are
in
a
situation
like
that,
where
it's
life
and
death
and
all
hands
are
on
board,
and
this
is
your
training.
This
is
what
you
are
trained
to
do.
This
is
what
you
have
chosen
to
do
as
a
profession.
A
Thank
you
senator.
You
speak
to
the
issue
very
well,
and
I
appreciate
your
point
of
view
and
I'm
gonna
work
with
you
on
it.
I
do
think
there's
room
for
flexibility
and
individual
attention
to
this.
I
do
think
it's
so
important
to
point
out
that
when
you
have
an
emt
in
an
institutional
setting,
there's
a
great
reason
for
that
is
is
they
are
providing
needed
care
to
those
inmates
in
that
jail
or
prison,
and
that
saves
taxpayer
money
they
can
get
there
quicker,
they're
right
there
for
that.
A
That
does
not
auto
automatically
mean
the
key
phrase
automatically
mean
that
they
need
to
be
certified
on
the
outside.
But
I
do
I
do
agree
with
you
and
I'm
I'm
open
to
that
discussion,
and
I
appreciate
your
passion
for
the
issue,
because
I
we
all
want
as
many
people
working
as
possible
and
we
all
want
as
good
medical
care
as
possible,
but
we
also
have
to
protect
people
who
are
very
vulnerable,
and
I
think
we
all
agree
on
that.
So
we'll
all
work
on
that
together.
F
And
sir,
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
add,
I
am
unaware
of
any
other
certification
that
you
can
receive
in
this
state.
While
you
are
incarcerated
that
you
are
not
allowed
to
keep
upon
your
release,.
A
A
A
Banta
representative
welcome:
this
is
another
one
of
those
bills,
although
this
bill,
I
don't
really
think,
is
at
all
controversial.
I
think
I
don't
know
anyone
that's
against
it.
Maybe
there
is
that's
the
reason
why
we
have
these
meetings,
hopefully,
if
they're,
if
they,
if
there
is
anyone
against
us
they'll,
let
us
know
right
now,
but
welcome
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
I
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
your
time
this
bill
passed
85
to
1
in
2020,
and
then
it
died,
the
cove
of
death.
This
is
a
cpa
bill
and
it
simply
has
three
three
main
things
that
it
wants.
It
wants
to
allow
the
state
board
to
award
scholarships
using
their
own
money,
so
it's
no
cost
to
the
state,
and
it's
so
that
the
cpa
can
track
their
accounting.
Major
recruit
precludes
shortages.
Things
like
that.
I
The
board
would
like
to
be
granted
immunity
from
lawsuits
for
state
board
members
and
as
long
as
they
are
acting
in
good
faith
in
the
performance
of
normal
duties.
It's
very
it's
the
same
for
medical,
licensure,
nursing,
pharmacy,
board
of
dentistry
there's,
nothing,
nothing
crazy
about
that
at
all,
and
if
adopted,
the
important
thing
to
them
is
that
they
would
no
longer
have
to
purchase
their
own
insurance,
so
that
helps
them
out
a
little
bit.
I
And
finally,
probably
what
I
think
is
the
key
to
this
is:
it
would
eliminate
the
requirement
that
out
out-of-state
cpas,
seeking
a
kentucky
license
via
reciprocity
must
have
obtained
the
one
year
of
accounting
or
a
test
experience
within
five
years
of
successfully
passing
the
cpa
exam
in
their
home
state.
This
five-year
was
not
intended
to
affect
those
seeking
a
kentucky
license
via
reciprocity
and
that
they
believe
that
if
a
cpa
has
current
and
valid
license
in
their
current
state,
they
should
be
able
to
get
a
kentucky
license
via
reciprocity.
I
A
That's
all
I
have
yeah
and
and
thank
you
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
this
through
the
senate
next
session.
If
you
get
it
down
to
us
a
little
earlier,
that
would
be
helpful,
but
but
but
it
I
think
it's
a
good
piece
of
legislation.
I
support
it.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
A
Representative
wheatley,
are
you
with
us
remotely
oh
you're
here,
I'm
sorry,
let's
take
you
next
and
your
people
with
you.
A
A
We
have
house
bill
346.
we're
going
to
number
item
number
five
on
the
agenda
representative
wheatley
is
here
the
bill
sponsor
welcome
to
this
committee
interesting
interesting
legislation
here,
which
I've
talked
to
several
people
about,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
to
co-chair
koenig
for
listening
to
this
bill.
This
is
a
house
bill
that
was
filed
last
session
and
as
a
former
member
of
this
esteemed
committee,
and
I
congratulate
the
new
members
you're
on
a
very
interesting
committee
and,
and
you
deal
with
interest
interesting
topics
everywhere
from
from
alcohol
horse
racing
to
cremation,
as
our
topic
is
today
so
house,
bill.
346
is
a
concept
that
was
brought
to
me.
J
I
know
very
little
bit
about
it
because
it
is
a
complicated
or
a
sophisticated
cremation
technique
that
is
become
more
available.
As
now.
As
you
see,
there
is
a
handout,
I
believe
is
going
to
be
handed
out
related
to
different
states
that
have
adopted
alkaline
hydrolysis
as
a
form
of
cremation,
and
we
are,
I
believe,
at
20
states
and
several
other
provinces
in
canada
that
adopted
this.
I
have
with
me
today
the
constituent
who
brought
this
concept
to
me,
an
entrepreneurial
sir,
that
has
also
gotten
into
this
topic
with
a
national
nationally
recognized
producer.
J
D
E
Thank
you
good
morning
and
thank
you
senator
schickel,
representative
koening
and
the
committee
members
for
this
opportunity.
My
interest
in
alkaline
hydrolysis
was
prompted
as
I
planned.
My
own
final
wishes
generally
familiar
with
the
financial
and
environmental
cost
of
flame
cremation
and
traditional
burial.
E
E
E
Our
intent
is
to
pursue
this
by
the
combining
of
financial
resources
enabling
local
funeral
homes
to
be
owners
of
a
facility
that
they
can
patronize
a
sort
of
a
co-op
idea.
If
you
will,
by
the
statutory
changes
we
are
seeking,
kentucky
operators
will
be
in
a
position
to
provide
this
service
to
bordering
areas
that
have
not
taken
a
proactive
stance
to
legislate
this
opportunity.
E
In
other
words,
what
I'm
saying
there
is
alluding
back
to
what
representative
wheatley
said
earlier.
There
are
20
states
in
the
united
states
that
have
adopted
regulation
regulations.
A
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
but
members
you
have
in
your
packet
a
a
map
of
the
state
correct
that
have
adopted
it.
So.
E
You
can
see.
The
states
in
green
are
the
states
that
have
accepted,
impose
regulatory
and
statutory
changes.
As
you
look
at
kentucky,
you
can
see
that
indiana
and
ohio
currently
west
virginia
virginia
and
tennessee.
E
E
E
We
have
sam
ready.
J
To
go,
I
think,
okay,
thank
you
tony
and
mr
chair.
If
you
indulge
we
do
have
within
your
package,
you
should
see
information
about
the
the
alkaline
hydrolysis
from
an
expert,
and
this
expert
is
remote
and
if
she
is
ready,
samantha
cyber,
I
believe,
if
I
don't
mispronounce
her
name
is,
is
available
and
about
I'm
ready
to
go.
A
Perfect,
we'll.
A
Please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
it's
good
to
see
you.
We
see
you
on
the
screen.
We
hear
you
loud
and
clear
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
K
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
to
the
committee
members
for
your
time
today.
My
name
is
samantha
sieber
samantha
sieber.
I
don't
even
know
how
to
pronounce
my
last
name,
I'm
a
biologist
by
degree.
My
family's
indiana
company
has
manufactured
this
equipment
for
30
years
and
over
the
past
16.
I've
helped
over
40
states
and
many
other
places
around
the
world
draft
language
to
make
this
option
available
to
families.
K
So
I'm
testifying
in
support
of
this
bill.
In
my
experience,
legislative
change
is
necessary
and
I'll
explain
why,
but
just
to
kind
of
rest,
the
nerves
on
this
newer
option.
The
states
that
have
proved
have
approved
alkaline
hydrolysis
have
not
had
issues
with
licensing
they've
not
had
any
financial
burden.
Licensing
is
nearly
identical
to
crematories.
K
It's
a
couple.
Extra
check
boxes
on
the
form
inspections
are
pretty
much
identical
and
performed
by
the
same
folks
that
inspect
crematories.
So,
there's
really
not
a
burden
put
on
the
regulatory
board
for
allowing
this
it's
business
as
usual,
what
they're
already
doing
with
licensing
professionals
and
crematories
already
in
order
to
start
some
good
discussions?
I
just
want
to
give
a
bird's
eye
view
of
this
topic
because
I
I'm
sure
there's
people
that
have
no
idea.
K
What
alkaline
hydrolysis
is
it's
an
alternative
to
burial
cremation
that
achieves
the
same
end
result
as
flame
cremation,
which
is
the
reduction
of
the
body
to
final
ash,
remains
it
does
so
using
ninety
percent,
less
energy
without
burning
any
fossil
fuels
and
without
emitting
any
harmful
greenhouse
gases,
and
truly
these
machines
get
approved
for
use
where
flame
crematories
would
never
be
permitted
at
funeral
homes,
historic
funeral
homes
that
are
located
in
downtown
of
an
area.
There's
no
emissions.
K
K
Most
people
don't
really
know
that,
while
flame
cremation
ash
does
contain
some
of
what
we
think
of
as
ash
from
a
fireplace
that's
just
from
the
casket
or
clothing,
the
remains,
after
cremation,
primarily
resemble
bone,
and
these
bone
minerals
are
processed
into
unrecognizable,
fragments
and
placed
into
and
earned
for
the
family.
This
is
the
same
with
alkaline
hydrolysis.
Same
piece
of
equipment
is
used
to
do
that.
The
only
difference
is
that
the
ash
is
more
of
a
powder
and
there's
about
20
to
30
percent.
K
K
K
These
minerals
that
are
left
are
all
ash
and,
of
course,
anything
that
can
be
done
with
ashes
from
flame
cremation
can
also
be
done
with
ashes
from
this
process.
The
urn
can
be
buried
at
the
family
plot
in
the
cemetery
placed
in
a
columbarium
and
the
ashes
can
be
scattered
or
made
into
a
jewelry
piece.
K
The
process
takes
place
in
a
state-of-the-art
stainless
steel
system,
that's
powered
only
by
electricity,
and
I
I
think
that's
what
I
really
want
you
to
hear
today.
It's
powered
only
by
electricity,
so
it
has
a
place.
It's
not
going
anywhere
and
as
we
improve
sustainable
resources,
sustainable
sources
of
electricity,
this
just
becomes
greener
the
technical
way
the
process
works
is
that
it
very
gently
circulates
a
heated
solution
of
95
water
and
5
alkali,
which
is
the
chemical
opposite
of
an
acid.
K
K
The
implants
are
a
little
bit
of
an
interesting
thing,
with
both
cremation
and
alkaline
hydrolysis
from
this
process,
they're
in
remarkable
condition,
they're
clean
and
it's
one
of
the
greatest
environmental
benefits
of
this
option
and
for
flame
cremation.
As
well,
because
getting
titanium
to
the
point
where
it
can
be
used
for
a
medical
implant
comes
at
a
huge
environmental
cost
and
people
are
getting
more
implants
and
at
younger
ages,
instead
of
being
buried
in
the
ground
forever.
The
precious
metals
stay
in
the
loop
for
future
use
in
the
scientific
field.
K
We
use
a
study
called
an
lca
or
life
cycle
assessment
to
determine
the
cradle.
The
grave
impact
of
a
practice
and
this
kind
of
study
takes
into
account
everything
that
you
could
possibly
think
of,
including
how
much
water
is
used.
What
about
manufacturing
the
chemical
and
transporting
it
on
site?
What
about
the
emissions.
A
K
Yeah,
I
could
do
that.
Let
me
go
through
to
right
now:
kentucky
families
are
having
to
arrange
transport
to
neighboring,
approved
states
for
this
option,
which
adds
further
hardship
to
them
during
an
already
devastating
time,
and
that's
assuming
they
even
know
it's
a
choice.
K
K
They
should
have
lived
another
20
years,
but
they
passed
away
within
a
day
of
each
other
from
unrelated
causes.
I
wish
I
could
have
gotten
myself
together
to
know.
I
could
have
gone
to
another
state
and
it's
really
not
a
fair
time
to
expect
people
to
do
that.
Kentucky
families
shouldn't
have
to
make
arrangements
in
tennessee,
missouri,
illinois
or
north
carolina
for
this
option.
We
need
to
make
it
legal.
K
This
bill
doesn't
open,
kentucky's,
funeral
law,
sorry
just
one.
Second,
it
doesn't
open
kentucky's
funeral
laws,
the
wild
west
there's
numerous
points
of
regulation
that
will
touch
regulating
this
technology.
The
law
has
to
allow
it.
The
business
has
to
be
licensed
by
the
board.
The
equipment
must
be
compliant
with
state
health
and
environmental
regs.
Zoning
has
to
be
approved
and
the
release
of
the
process.
Water
must
be
done
with
written
permission.
K
So
what
we're
asking
today
is
to
move
forward
with
item
number
one
which
is
changing
the
law
right
now.
It
just
simply
doesn't
allow
it,
and
without
the
change,
the
licensing
board
will
be
in
an
unworkable
position.
They
can't
sidestep
the
technical
verbiage
of
the
law
and
they
won't.
If
they
did,
it
opened
a
can
of
worms
for
setting
poor
precedent
for
future
options
that
also
need
to
be
regulated
without
the
change
kentucky.
Businesses
can't
move
forward.
K
A
You
samantha,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah
you're.
Welcome.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Samantha
senator
buford.
Can
you
hear
me,
did
you
have
a.
D
Sam,
I
could
yes,
mr
chair.
If
I
made
this
tom
buford,
this
process
has
been
around
since
1888
in
england.
There
should
be
some
reasonable
answers
for
this,
mostly
in
england,
as
it
was
invented,
it
was
used
for
the
disposal
of
animal
caucuses
carcasses.
So
if
they
don't
know
the
charge,
I
would
certainly
well
they
didn't.
A
Say
that
yet
you
give
them
a
chance
tom.
I
know
it
wouldn't
be
an
l
o
meeting
unless
you
didn't
have
a
difficult
question,
but
but
so
I
I
did
ask
them
that
question.
You
texted
what
the
average
and
I
they're
looking
at,
I
think
they're
getting
ready
to
answer.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
K
Ahead,
the
the
cost
of
this
to
consumers
is
very
similar,
if
not
the
same
to
families.
Sometimes
it
can
be
three
or
four
hundred
dollars
more
to
a
family.
Now
the
cost
that
providers
pay
to
a
trade
organization.
It
varies
in
a
10
mile
difference,
let
alone
across
the
united
states,
so
usually
in
the
u.s.
I
don't
know,
providers
are
paying
a
few
hundred
bucks
for
a
cremation
they're,
probably
going
to
have
to
pay
about
500
for
this.
So
it's
it's
in
the
same
ballpark,
it's
not
finding.
E
Thank
you
and
all
of
my
research
senator
buford.
All
of
my
research
agrees
with
sam's
on
the
cost,
and
then
I
have
some
a
range
of
costs
from
a
experienced
provider
of
this
technology
in
illinois,
and
he
has
told
me
that
he
charges
anywhere
from
795
dollars
for
a
very
basic
service
up
to
3
500,
and
that
would
be
with
the
traditional
embalming
and
viewing
and
such
like.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
mr
no.
We
have
a
question
from
representative
burch
and
then
representative
cook
you're.
Next.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
who,
who
is
opposed
to
this
legislation
or,
and
why
would
they
be
opposed
to
it.
J
J
E
I
have
pursued
early
on
when
I
first
began
investigating
the
technology.
My
first
contact
was
with
the
kentucky
board
of
mortuary
and
funeral
services.
I
don't
recall
the
exact
name
of
the
board,
but
and
my
contact
there
was
extremely
positive
and
they
had
it
on
their
agenda
for
a
board
meeting.
When
I
followed
up
after
that
board
meeting,
they
had
no
objections
to
moving
to
the
technology,
and
then
I
contacted
the
kentucky
funeral
directors
association
through
a
board
member,
and
it
happened
that
the
issue
was
after
subsequent
to
a
prior
conversation
with
representative
wheatley.
E
They
had
already
scheduled
it
on
their
agenda
for
a
board
meeting
and
when
I
called
to
follow
up
on
that,
the
board
member
told
me
that
the
discussion
was
neutral
and
that
the
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
reticence
that
I've
encountered
in
my
discussions
has
to
do
with
the
capitalization
of
the
project,
which
is
exactly
what
the
legislation
is
meant
to
cure.
D
Representative
cook,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
this
is
follow-up
question
to
that
and
just
doing
google
quick
search
on
my
phone
here,
new
hampshire
had
this
legalized
for
several
years
and
then
actually
overturned
it.
So
it
goes
in
with
the
opposition.
Do
you
have
any
what.
K
It's
it's
legal
again.
It
was
one
of
the
earlier
states
to
approve
it.
There
was
some
disagreement
there.
There
wasn't
anything
wrong
with
the
technology.
A
Yes,
the.
A
I've
gotten
several
phone
calls
just
this
morning
from
different
funeral
homes
about
this
so
and
I
explained
to
them
that
we
don't
know
anything
about
it.
I
said
this
is
why
we
have
interim
hearings.
I
know
some
of
the
funeral
homes
are
watching
on
the
youtube,
and
this
is
an
interim
hearing
of
this
matter.
A
Funeral
homes.
You
now
know
about
this
legislation.
I
would
encourage
you
to
contact
this
panel
and
the
bill
sponsor
about
it.
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
robust
discussion.
We
may
even
have
to
have
another
meeting
I've
found
over
the
years
that
these
type
of
issues
can
sometimes
require
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
I
sure
appreciate
you
bringing
this
today
and
as
we
all
some
of
us
get
a
little
older.
We
start
thinking
about
these
things
a
little
bit.
A
The
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
house
bill,
279
and
act
relating
to
school
facilities,
and
I
believe
this
is
something
else
from
the
last
session
and
I
appreciate
the
bill
of
sponsors.
Patience
looks
like
you
have
quite
a
distinguished
panel
there.
Well
welcome,
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
co-chair
k
members
good
to
see
everyone.
Josh
branscomb
state
representative.
L
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
house,
bill
279
is
an
expanded
jurisdiction
bill
and
just
to
give
you
a
brief
history
on
this,
because
it
probably
will
be
familiar
to
many
of
you.
M
This
bill
came
through
the
house
in
the
2020
session,
passed
overwhelmingly
before
being
caught
up
in
the
senate
due
to
coven,
like
many
many
bills,
that
year
died
the
cove
of
death
past
this
past
session.
It
came
out
the
house
unanimously
passed
97
to
zero,
but
simply
we
just
ran
out
of
time
with
the
with
the
quick
session.
M
The
purpose
of
house
bill
279
was
to
allow
local
governments
to
to
perform
plan
reviews
inspections
and
have
jurisdiction
over
the
enforcement
responsibilities
for
school
construction
projects,
where
the
local
government
and
the
and
the
department
of
housing
and
building
construction
agree
in
writing.
So
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
A
That
is
appropriate
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
are
exactly
right
represented
this
bill.
I
I
regret
this
bill
not
passed
in
the
last
session.
I
know
it's
very
important,
especially
the
high
growth
areas
that
it
be
passed,
and
I
am
personally
committed
to
the
upcoming
session
to
getting
this
bill
passed
as
you.
We
did.
L
Well,
that
is
music
to
my
ears,
mr
chairman,
and
we
really
do
appreciate
representative
branstam,
allowing
us
to
work
with
him
to
add
some
pieces
that
were
originally
filed
in
2020
in
house
bill
599,
but
that
bill
was
filed
very
late
in
the
session,
and
so
this
these
pieces
in
the
house
committee
sub
were
first
moved
in
this
past
2021
session.
L
I'll,
be
honest.
Most
of
the
criticism
that
we
get
from
the
local
school
districts
does
happen
on
the
school
facilities
process
and
we
are
looking
at
internal
improvements.
We
can
make
to
streamline
that
process,
but
there
are
a
number
of
things
in
statute
that,
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
are
simply
bureaucratic
red
tape
and
we'd
like
to
the
opportunity
to
get
rid
of
some
of
those.
L
One
of
those
additions
in
the
house
committee
sub
is
that
housing
buildings
and
construction
as
a
courtesy,
typically
copies
the
kentucky
department
of
education
on
its
plan
reviews.
So
we
can
help
streamline
that
process,
and
the
house
committee
sub
merely
make
sure
that
the
local
governments,
when
they
are
part
of
that
process,
do
the
same
thing.
L
The
house
committee
sub
also
removes
an
energy
report
that
has
been
required
in
statute
since
2010
that
report
and
the
efficient
school
design
movement
was
jump
started
by
our
funds,
which
obviously
are
no
longer
there.
However,
kde
and
energy
environment
cabinet
staff
still
spend
about
200
plus
hours
each
summer,
putting
that
report
together.
L
L
L
In
fact,
though,
in
2010
warren
county
was
the
first
school
in
the
nate
built
the
first
school
in
the
nation,
richardsville
elementary
to
be
net
zero
in
the
country,
so
kentucky
is
making
progress
in
this
area.
Even
without
this,
the
report
sort
of
outliving
its
usefulness
at
this
point
and
finally-
and
this
isn't
a
bureaucratic
red
tape
issue,
but
merely
a
cleanup
issue.
L
The
house
committee
have
removed
references
to
the
kentucky
efficient
school
design,
trust
fund
which,
for
those
of
you
who
have
been
in
the
legislature,
a
while
know
that
the
statutes
are,
as
I
say,
littered
with
trust
funds
and
reserve
restricted
fund
accounts
that
are
there
to
accept
funds
appropriations,
gifts.
What
have
you
but
have
never
actually
received
those
funds,
and
this
would
simply
remove
that
from
the
statute,
and
that
is
sort
of
where
we
come
to
this
bill.
We
again,
we
appreciate
that.
A
Thank
you.
I
got
a
question
for
the
bill.
Sponsor
I'm
a
little
confused.
The
house
committee
sub
is
that
the
original
bill
I
got
last
year
or
been
a
bunch
of
stuff
added.
M
This
would
have
been
the
the
sub,
so
there
was
a
bill
and
then
the
committee
sub
was
added
with
the
kde
language
and
that's
what
was
presented
on
the
house
floor
got
it.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
I
was
hoping
that
was
your
answer.
Sir,
do
you
do
you
wish
to
testify
or.
A
Right,
let's
see
if
we
have
any
representative
meredith.