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From YouTube: Budget Review subcommittee on Economic Development, Tourism, and Environmental Protection - 6/3/2020
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Budget review subcommittee meeting located in room 171 of the Capitol Annex.
9:00am
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A
Well,
we're
all
we're
all
doing
something
different
this
time,
so
we'll
get
going
here
and
hopefully
do
it
well.
Good
morning,
everyone
welcome
to
meeting
number
one
of
the
house
budget
review
Subcommittee
on
Economic,
Development,
environmental
and
public
protection,
at
cetera,
et
cetera,
due
to
continuing
issues
related
to
Copa
19.
We
obviously
have
some
new
meeting
protocols
in
place
for
the
interim.
A
For
those
of
you
who
are
legislators,
I'm
sure,
you're,
aware
the
remote
access
will
be
allowed
to
all
meetings
for
the
interim
meetings.
Excuse
me,
members
have
been
provided
information
prior
to
the
meeting
on
how
to
access
the
meeting
remotely
and
the
meeting
materials
were
in
fact
put
online
earlier
this
week
and
may
have
made
available
for
downloading.
At
this
time.
We'll
have
the
secretary
call
the
roll
members.
You
will
need
to
indicate
whether
you
are
present
in
person
remote
from
your
district
or
remote
from
your
office
and
the
secretary.
C
A
B
A
D
Good
morning,
everyone
I
am
Mary
Noble
secretary
does
this
and
public
safety
cabinet
I
have
with
me
today:
Commissioner
Cook
the
crews,
who
it's
the
Commissioner
of
Corrections.
This
is
all
of
the
third
day
of
her
being
at
work
on
the
job
and
so
she's
getting
her
trial
by
fire.
Folks
appearing
in
front
of
you
today,
I
have
with
me
also
the
Commissioner
of
the
state
police
commissioner
Ronnie
Brewer.
D
Thank
you,
first
of
all
for
giving
our
cabinet
the
opportunity
to
come
and
talk
to
you
about
the
things
that
we've
been
doing
as
part
of
our
covert
19
thoughts.
I
was
telling
someone
the
other
day
that
in
all
of
71,
this
has
been
the
strangest
various
the
most
devastating
experience
that
I
have
ever
seen,
and
it
cannot
open
only
the
elderly
but
some
of
the
middle-aged,
and
now
we
that
there
is
a
very
scary
effect
on
our
children,
sometimes
three
or
four
weeks
after
they
have
protected
contact.
D
You
send
us
some
question
that
you
wanted
us
that
answer
I'm
going
to
add
one
of
them:
Commissioner
Bruce
one
and
one
and
Commissioner
Brewer.
Well
answer
woman
I
wanted
to
you.
First
of
all,
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
of
our
cabinet,
the
Department
of
the
Cabinet
of
Justice
in
publics
and
is
composed
of
an
administrative
office
of
the
secretary
and
five
departments,
they're
somewhat
diverse.
We
have
the
Department
of
Corrections
and
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice.
D
All
of
those
departments,
as
you
might
imagine,
deal
with
a
lot
of
people,
for
example
the
Department
of
Corrections
as
the
lives
of
roughly
12,000
prisoners
in
their
hands,
even
throughout
the
13
correctional
institutions
that
we
have
in
this
state
and
in
addition,
another
12,000
or
so.
These
are
approximate
numbers
that
are
have
in
the
county
jails
because
they
have
Class
D,
felonies
or
Class
C.
D
Five
felonies,
the
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training,
is
responsible
for
the
training
for
all
local
law
enforcement
and
conducts
an
Academy
with
our
contact
with
people,
and
our
responsibility
for
contact
with
people
is
large.
There
are
roughly
7,000
employees
not
that
when
we
work
with
a
budget
of
over
billion
dollars,
everything
we
do
has
a
deal
of
complication
to
it,
a
lot
of
record-keeping
a
lot
of
supporting
documents
because
it
gets
back
to
the
lives
and
the
work.
D
A
lot
of
people
you've
asked
that
comment
to
you
today
about
the
expenses
relating
to
new
Covington
activity,
about
the
commutation
that
Governor
Beshear
issued
in
regards
to
over
19
and
the
enforcement
efforts
related
to
cut
the
19
orders
from
the
governor
I'm,
going
to
speak
first
without
the
expenses,
and
let
me
lead
by
saying
about
that
that
it
is
absolutely
my
intention,
because
it
is
governor
Beshear's
intention
that
we,
in
all
the
cabinets,
be
very
trendy.
The
legislature.
D
If
you
ask
us
or
information,
we're
going
to
do
like
this,
to
try
to
get
it
to
you,
I
want
to
explain
you
why
I
did
not
provide
you
today
with
the
listing
of
expenses.
I
think
we
owe,
as
a
matter
of
a
respect
to
this
committee,
to
explain
when
we
are
and
why
I
don't
have
them
today,
when
this
novel
coronavirus
and
it's
a
new,
that's.
Why
they
call
it
novel
it
us
nobody
knew
it
was
going
to
require
what
we
were
going
to
have
to
do.
D
We
did
not
know
because
nobody
else
knew,
and
it's
not
me.
It's
been
a
huge
money
when
we
began
this
process
whenever
we
had
to
do
something
that
was
related
to
the
coronavirus
situation,
we
thought
at
first
that
it
was
business
as
usual
and
so
any
expense
that
we
had
would
be
talking
about
ordinary
expensing
business
as
time
went
on
and
as
demands
got
greater,
we
had
new
things
that
had
to
do.
They
were
out
of
the
ordinary.
It
involved
a
great
many
more
men
and
being
devoted
to
efforts
for
the
current
affairs,
for
example.
D
I
know
everybody
is
aware
that
we
have
these
thirteen.
You
know
institution
in
our
state
and
that
one
of
them,
the
green
river
complex,
did
in
fact
infection
what
we
tried
so
hard
to
do
for
two
things:
prevention
and
then,
if
we
could
not
prevent
it
from
occurring
containment,
I
can
speak
you
today
and
I'm
careful
to
say
it,
because
with
this
insidious
virus,
things
could
change
overnight.
D
We
all
know
that,
but
as
a
day,
12
of
our
13
institutions
have
not
had
an
outbreak
because
of
the
effort
that
we
started
that
we
began
almost
immediately,
but
these
visitation
can
be
going
into
the
institution's
extensive,
extensive
sanitization
and
just
simply
done
retraining
for
a
correct,
sirs,
the
wearing
of
Hui
and
actually
even
that
people
need
to
be
placed.
This
was
incredibly
important
that
we
all
work
together
to
contain
this,
as
we
went
on,
would
simply
thought
purchased
you
the
things
that
we
need
to
accompany
to
accomplish
this
thinking
it.
D
What
if
not
the
ordinary
course
of
business,
because
this
is
what
you
do
we
take
care
if
they
arise,
don't
move
not
move,
Spencer,
Pony
or
anything
of
that
nature.
Open
work,
merit
fences,
then
the
thing
of
Kentucky
was
granted
a
part
of
the
airs
award
and
we
are
now
able
to
seek
reimbursement
through
the
cares
funding
for
offenses.
We
are
currently
compiling
those
cost
of
responding
to
Kovach
19.
D
The
particular
costs
that
are
being
considered
are
those
that
would
be
ellen
port
for
reimbursement,
and
I
do
not
need
to
tell
any
of
you
in
this
hard
budget
situation
in
which
we
find
ourselves
in
this
hard
funny
advanced
equation
today,
that
if
we
are
able
to
obtain
reimbursement
for
any
of
our
expenses,
this
could
be
critical
into
how
we
continue
our
operations.
So
we
are
able
to
seek
reimbursement
for
things
such
as
the
point
of
an
employee's
workload
that
was
devoted
to
coronavirus
and
for
expensive
of
things.
D
For
example,
the
cost
of
the
PPE
I'll
give
you
another
example.
We
order
sanitization
trays
that
we
put
outside
institution
so
that
staff
and
correctional
officers
coming
in
and
walk
through
it,
it
sanitizes
their
shoes.
This
is
not
something
we
had
before
that
we
had
a
serious
need
for
before,
but
we
have
punched
those
for
each
of
the
institution's
now
there
are
expenses
that
are
ongoing,
keeping
the
mask
the
PPE
up,
and
there
will
be
additional
medical
cost
that
we
will
have
to
consider
for
the
treatment
of
those
that
contracted
this
disease.
D
So
that's
the
types
of
things
that
we're
spending
it
on,
but
here
is
the
problem.
We
now
need
to
recode
this
material
in
a
way
that
it
can
be
pulled
out
in
selected
for
application
for
reimbursement
through
the
coronavirus
fund
and
I
will
tell
you
that
we
have
been
working
on
that
and
I
told
you
about
our
numbers
purposefully
so
that
you
can
understand
that
I
am
respectfully
saying
to
you
today.
I
don't
have
those
numbers
today,
but
we
are
in
the
process
of
acquiring
them.
We'll
have
to
look
at
the
employment
records
of
everybody.
D
That's
done
something!
That's
in
coronavirus
related!
It
is
that
I,
don't
speak
budget.
Those
of
you
who've
dealt
with
a
budget
before
you
know.
When
you
talk
to
your
budget
director
they're
going
to
use
codes
like
eat,
Mars
and
203
J
2-
and
it's
like
a
foreign
language
to
me,
but
I
understand
what
they're
talking
about
when
they
talk
about
funding
streams
and
how
you
have
to
be
very
careful
to
separate
out
the
appropriate
cost
so
that
what
we're
for
from
jim
funds
should
come
from
that.
D
D
It
is
not
a
secret
I'll,
be
glad
to
share
it
with
you
as
soon
as
it's
completed,
but
certainly
I
was
not
able
to
give
it
to
you
piecemeal
because
falou
thing
that
would
be
movies,
and
you
could
ask
me
you
could
say
justice,
novo
or
secretary.
No,
why
didn't
you
give
us
an
estimate
on
this
and
I
would
say
I'm
kind
of
into
fiction.
I,
don't
want
to
be
telling
you
something
that
is
not
supportable
and
that
we
can't
you
have
great
information
about.
I,
don't
lie
to
you.
D
That's
the
way
it's
been
for
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done,
but
we're
working
very
hard
in
an
effort
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
and
we
are
shepherding
what
we
have
spent
the
best
that
we
can
and
we'll
compile
that
information
and
make
it
available
as
soon
as
it's
in
a
cognizable
form,
mr.
chairman
and
so
I
cause
you
haven't
yet
today,
but
I
certainly
felt
I
owed
you
in
this
meeting
the
respect
of
explaining.
D
Why
and
that
we
would
now
I
have
asked
Commissioner
Cruz
if
she
will
direct
our
or
will
speak
to
you
about
commutation
and
we're
here,
justice
cabinet
in
Frankfurt
in
England,
and
we
are
men.
Those
were
distance,
so
I'm
going
to
put
on
my
mat
and
let
her
come
up
to
the
chair.
It
may
be
that
I
add
some
information
if
necessary.
What
which
first
has
to
say,
remember,
you
know
he's
on
the
job,
so
she's
gonna
get
the
best
information
that
you
can
gather
at
this
time.
E
A
A
E
In
order
to
safely
decrease
the
overpopulated
prisons
and
jails
of
the
Commonwealth,
the
governor
has
conditionally
commutated
the
sentence
of
twelve
hundred
and
thirty
five
inmates.
This
action
both
help
to
protect
those
inmates
who
are
most
vulnerable
to
kovat
19,
while,
while
in
prisons
and
jails
to
be
able
to
keep
their
Corrections
staff
safe
from
kovat
19.
Today,
governor
Beshear
has
conditionally
commuted
the
sentence
of
offenders
and
three
groups
prison
inmates
who,
redeemed
by
medical
professions
professional
at
a
high
risk
for
severe
illness
or
death
due
to
their
medical
condition
or
age
for
the
CDs.
E
The
guidelines
who
has
had
less
than
five
years
of
theirs.
It's
left
to
serve
jail
inmates
who
were
deemed
by
medical
professionals
in
a
higher
risk
for
severe
illness
or
death
due
to
their
medical
condition
or
age
/
CDC
guidelines,
who
had
less
than
five
years
of
their
sentence,
left
to
serve
offenders
in
jails
and
prisons,
who
were
within
six
months
of
serving
out
their
sentence.
All
of
these
inmates
were
serving
sentences
for
nonviolent
non-sexual
offense.
To
ensure
Public
Safety
was
taken
to
account
specifically.
The
following
crimes
were
excluded
from
consideration
by
the
governor.
E
All
crimes
violated
by
statute,
all
crimes
violated
by
asked
a
definition
of
violent
or
other
violent,
except
for
one
endangerment,
all
sex
crimes,
regardless
of
crime,
tied
all
sentence
of
life
or
life
without
parole.
These
crimes
are
certain
sex.
Any
crime
with
word
sex
in
the
title,
manslaughter,
homicide,
stalking,
assault,
robbery
and
any
crime
with
the
word
and
moral
or
abuse
below
is
a
list
of
specific
cities,
be
recommended
medical
conditions
that
was
used
to
identify
these
inmates
and
classify
them,
is
burnable
and
eligible
for
early
release.
E
Heart
disease,
lung
that
includes
severe
asthma,
COPD,
chronic
bronchitis
and
emphysema,
diabetes,
liver
failure,
kidney
failure,
cancer
receiving
chemo
or
radiation
HIV
and
65,
and
over
each
of
these
inmates
receive
a
conditional
commutation
that
mean
they
had
to
sign
a
former
grin
that
they
must
meet
the
following
qualifications
at
a
verifiable
home
placement.
We're
not
experienced
come
at
19
symptoms
and
had
not
think
that's
departed.
If
it
comes
at
19
weapons,
they
meet
these
qualifications
and
we're
not
relevant
until
they
could
would
not
meet
these
qualifications
at
all
and
have
not
been
released.
E
E
C
C
Yes,
sir,
there
were
several
questions
about
things
that
the
State
Police
have
been
involved
in
that
took
us
outside
the
scope
of
normal
mission
and
job
duties
and
I've
kind
of
got
cooled
down
in
about
four
or
five
different
categories.
That
I'll
briefly
discussed
with
you
today.
The
first
one
is
obviously
our
involvement
in
the
Emergency
Operations
Center
over
at
the
Boone
National
Guard.
C
We
have
logged
over
a
thousand
hours
at
the
command
center,
interacting
with
our
partners
at
the
local
state
and
federal
level.
Since
the
coated
19
crisis
began
through
that,
we've
done
a
lot
of
planning
a
lot
of
interaction
with
those
folks.
The
second
piece
is
that
part
of
that
has
been
in
setting
up
and
planning
and
actually
implementing
the
code
mid-nineteen
testing
sites.
We
currently
put
up
21
sites,
17
of
those
actual
sites
and
four
were
repeat,
so:
we've
got
involved
in
21
different
testing
sites
located
geographically
throughout
the
state.
C
The
third
function
is
what
we
call
the
hospital
dirty
detail
and
we
were
at
provide
extra
security
at
hospitals
outside
of
the
Louisville
and
Lexington
area
throughout
rural
Kentucky,
to
provide
a
presence
there
in
the
emergency
room
in
the
event
that
the
hospitals
reached
capacity
and
to
make
sure
that
order
was
maintained
and
calm
throughout
this
crisis.
Over
a
30-day
period,
we
provided
security
with
some
help
from
local
agencies
at
many
hospitals.
C
At
the
post
level,
we
shifted
our
focus
and
identified
what
we
felt
were
high-profile
retail
establishments
that
needed
extra
patrol,
particularly
in
the
early
days
of
the
of
the
cove
at
night
and
emic.
These
include
grocery
stores,
retail,
that's
and
so
forth.
This
was
a
visual
deterrent
regarding
any
that
might
take
place
and
also
to
monitor
social
distancing
and
to
make
sure
that
people
were
calm
and
well
behaved.
C
In
those
environments,
we
identified
839
retail
establishments
throughout
the
state
that
we
targeted
for
extra
patrol
and
during
that
30-day
period
our
troopers
visited
either
by
vehicle,
or
sometimes
in
person,
six
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventy
three
locations.
This
does
not
include
extra
patrol
that
we
put
there
it's
a
mic
feedback.
This
does
not
include
extra
patrol
at
schools
since
the
school
found
like
they
needed
some
extra
patrol
as
well,
a
trend
from
any
vandalism
or
break-ins,
and
also
churches
and
some
other
establishments.
C
After
those
site
there's
it's
on
the
list
is
additional
security
at
the
on
the
capitol
grounds.
Since
the
purpose
of
April
we've
had
a
pretty
strong
presence
at
the
Capitol
and
the
Capitol
annex
and
the
mansion
today,
we've
had
extra
patrols
there,
particularly
on
the
days
where
we
had
organized
protests,
which
we've
had
six
seven
organized
protests
since
this
began,
but
since
about
the
front
of
April,
we've
had
an
extra
presence
at
the
captain.
We
have
been
maintaining
that,
throughout
the
whole
process,
kind
of
stop
right.
There
notes
of
the
general
categories.
C
The
last
one
I
believe
that
one
of
the
questions
was
sight
baked
faith-based
visits
during
Easter
week.
As
many
of
you
know,
we
had
several
religious
organization.
We
followed
up
on
to
make
sure
that
they
were
so
distancing.
We
got
about
51
complaints
that
we
responded
to
many
of
those
who
are
by
telephone.
They
were
not
in
person
calling
local
leaders
and
discussing
social
distancing
guidelines
and
things
with
them.
That
was
throughout
the
state,
but
it
was
basically
entered
in
three
or
four
post
areas,
mostly
to
the
west.
C
We
had
a
few
in
Eastern
Kentucky
as
well.
It's
all
kind
of
stop
right
there.
It's
been
some
challenges
for
us,
obviously,
like
everyone
else.
Our
force,
for
instance,
driver
testing
folks,
there
hasn't
been
much
for
them
to
do
when
we
initially
closed
down
our
driver
testing
stations
and
the
clerk's
office
is
closed,
but
we
managed
to
take
those
50
individuals
that
normally
give
driver's
test
and
for
their
credit,
they
shifted
their
energies
into
a
fingerprint
backlog
that
we've
had
for
several
years.
C
We've
had
over
a
million
papered
fingerprint
cards
that
needed
to
be
Dan
and
put
into
our
automated
fingerprint
information
system
and
to
date
do
their
efforts.
We've
got
into
that
backlog
by
over
four
hundred
thousand
fingerprint
cards,
so
they've
done
a
great
job.
We
split
the
ships
at
our
crime
labs.
We
also
quit
taking
evidence
for
about
30
days,
except
by
u.s.
mail.
We
still
are
negative
shifts,
but
we're
taking
evidence
from
different
police
agencies
by
appointment
and
our
records
collection,
which
houses
quite
a
few
folks
over
on
Google
Road.
C
A
A
D
Know
I
spoke
with
my
budget
director,
that's
last
night
about
that,
because
I
want
it.
The
most
accurate
information
I
can
give
you
and
indication
to
me
is
there,
but
they
are
really
kind
of
figure
out
how
to
code
it.
You
know
this
is
a
new
experience.
Leave
the
building
that
I
had
done
with
the
court
system
was
a
lot
simpler.
D
E
A
D
An
out
what
we
have
had
is
Green
River.
You
know
it's
like
close
populations
once
the
burner
gets
in,
that
it
was
population
to
the
tragedy
that
we've
seen
in
the
nursing
homes
the
difficulty
and
work
that
we
put
in
on
Green
River.
Once
you
get
in
to
find
population,
it's
very
to
connect.
That's
to
my
knowledge.
We've
only
had
one
other
inmate
at
the
other
institutions.
D
There
was
no
thread
in
that
institution.
We
have
a
small
handful
correctional
officers
as
positive,
but
every
meeting
grunting
no
clear.
So
we
have
been
able
it's
a
miracle.
We
have
God
blessing,
so
I
can
say:
they've
been
able
to
so
far
with
our
efforts
not
to
have
an
outbreak,
sir
in
in
those
and
I
just
I.
Just
think
they
don't
use
that
way.
Okay,.
B
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
first
Commissioner
crews,
obviously
I
think
the
the
the
cost
or
the
cost
impact
at
the
state
institutions
is
going
to
be
fair
of
these
commutations
because
you
still
have
your
staff
and
your
rotations
you
have
to
go
through,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
inmates
that
we
house
at
county
facilities,
obviously
there's
a
direct
reduction
in
the
amount
of
per
diem
we
have
to
expend.
Can
you
give
us
an
idea
of
how
many
inmates
we've
pulled
out
of
those
county
facilities
ailes
and
then
what
the
cost
savings
has
been
there.
E
D
Know
I
can
give
you
an
estimate,
I
think
there
have
been
somewhere
less
than
4,000
people,
something
that
neighborhood
released
from
the
county
campus
started.
You
were
counting
days
and
there
actually
has
been
some
other
savings,
I
think
for
county
jails.
For
those
really
the
inmates
we've
had.
The
release
of
our
people
have
been
those
that
were
part
of
the
communications
or
the
on
the
offenders
that
are
housed
in
the
county,
jail
and.
B
B
C
Spends
Friday
evening
we
have
had
between
90
and
100
troopers,
assist
mobile
metro
and,
ultimately,
the
National
Guard
that
was
brought
in
later
to
port
their
efforts
to
prevent
violence
and
vandalism
throughout
the
city.
We
have
begun
to
rotate
some
of
those
treatment,
particularly
from
a
fatigue
factor
that
we
have
sent
some
home
brought
some
of
our
crowd
control
squads
in
from
other
areas
of
the
state.
C
As
a
result
of
that,
we've
had
the
house,
some
of
them
in
Louisville
that
expense
is
being
picked
up
by
Louisville
Metro,
Police
Department
as
I
understand
it
and
we've
been
down
there
since
then.
Usually
our
presence
there
is
in
the
evening
it
is
usually
starts
around
4:00
o'clock
that
is
buried.
A
little
bit
depended
upon
the
intelligence
that
they
get.
I
will
tell
you
that
and
we're
usually
there
excuse
me
we're
used
to
there
until
anywhere
from
1
to
3
o'clock
in
the
morning.
It
makes
for
some
pretty
long
days.
C
Obviously
they
they
have
embraced
our
presence.
There.
We've
actually
had
very
good
interaction
with
some
of
the
protesters
as
well
and
as
many
of
you
know,
there
was
the
shooting
that
took
the
life
of
an
individual
at
26
in
Broadway
a
couple
of
days
ago,
and
we
were
asked
to
provide
investigators
and
provide
an
independent
oversight
and
assist
in
that
investigation,
and
we
have
been
doing
that
since
that
happened.
That
is
our
critical
incident
response
team.
These
are
some
of
the
best
investigators
that
we
have
in
the
Kentucky
State
Police.
They
serve
a
dual
role.
C
There's
so
purpose
is
to
investigate,
alter
my
own
hours
and
a
select
few
of
other
agencies
as
well
on
contract
that
we
have,
and
also
to
reconstruct
a
very
complex
traffic
crash.
That's
what
these
folks
do.
So
they
have
been
just
about
around
the
clock
since
that
that
shooting
occurred
and
have
started
to
develop.
Obviously,
some
information
that
I
believe
has
already
been
released
to
the
public
as
well,
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
as
those
efforts
go
on
so
I
guess
to
answer
your
question.
C
Sorry,
I
I,
don't
magic
crystal
ball,
I'm,
not
sure
when
this
will
end.
That's
everyone's
a
question:
it
seems
good
gauging
from
last
night,
I
was
down
there
until
the
wee
hours
of
the
morning.
It
seems
to
have
calmed
down
some
way
and
protests
are
deemed
to
be
much
more
peaceful
than
what
they
were
last
weekend.
So
we'll
continue
to
monitor
that
and
further
the
governor's
instructions
we're
taking
that
paper
I
day.
Obviously,
we
want
to
continue
to
provide
them
any
support
that
we
can
to
help
them
and
to
keep
the
city
safe.
C
Most
of
our
efforts
have
been
in
downtown
Louisville.
We
have
had
some
calls
and
provided
some
assistance
out
in
the
county
in
some
of
the
retail
establishments,
but
most
of
it
has
been
central,
centralized
in
downtown
Louisville
near
what
I
call
the
heart
of
the
city
or
the
courthouse
please
take
orders
and
so
forth.
Is
that.
B
One
last
Oh,
mr.
chairman
and
I,
think
this
one's
going
to
go
to
Commissioner
crews,
but
it
might
be
to
the
secretary
as
well
when
we
deal
with
these
commutation.
Some
some
of
these
inmates
are
going
to
have
other
charges
that
they're
awaiting
upon
or
release.
So
do
we
know
how
many
people
were
commuted
versus
how
many
actually
physically
left
the
facility
and
are
have
not
reinterred
another
for
it
for
a
different
charge.
E
B
E
B
B
Don't
know
what
the
legal
term
is,
you
use
I'm
sure
some
of
you
guys
know
that,
but
you
know
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
see
how
many
people
actually
exit
it's
one
thing
to
say:
hey,
we
community
X
number
of
sentences
right,
it's
a
whole
nother
thing
to
say
these
are
the
number
of
people
who
actually
left
that's
just
wrong
before.
Is
that
difference.
D
A
Commissioner,
Cruz,
don't
leave
that?
Let
me
summarize
so
the
the
numbers
and
twelve
hundred
and
some
odd
numbers
are
actually
prisoners
who
left
who
were
who
were
set
free
as
opposed
to
okay,
that's
good
Commissioner
Cruz.
Could
you
tell
me
how
many,
if
any
of
the
folks
whose
sentences
were
commuted
and
set
free,
have
been
recommitted
to
have
been
read
for
either
the
same
or
another
charge
now.
D
B
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
the
work
you're
doing
and
across
the
state,
and
these
times
and
in
any
other
times,
thank
you
for
your
service
and
your
men
and
women
in
gray.
My
question
is
at
about
mid-april:
there
were
reports
on
social
media
that
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
accuracy
from
that.
There
were
snipers
placed
within
the
annex
as
a
result
of
the
governor's
press
conference
that
had
taken
place
at
that
time.
B
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
active
intelligence
that
you
all
had
received
of
a
specific
threat
or
what
the
decision
was,
and
if
that
was
any
truth
to
that
of
what
was
reported
and
then
what
was
actual
factual
with
that.
If
you
could
give
us
some
kind
of
background
or
some
information
on
that
would
be
appreciated
thanks,
sir
I.
C
C
C
No
sir,
we
we
have
I'll
have
to
credit
our
folks
and
to
some
degree
some
of
the
protesters,
but
we
have
not
made
any
any
fiscal
arrests
and
any
of
those
protests.
Now
we
have,
we
have
in
Louisville,
we've
had
several
arrests
throughout
the
days,
but
at
the
Capitol
itself
we've
not
made
any
physical
arrests.
We
do
have
one
particular
case.
We
continue
to
work
on
where
a
counter
protester,
possibly
flattened
some
tires
on
the
vehicle
of
a
protester,
we're
working
on
that.
But
we
haven't
made
an
arrest
in
that.
A
C
A
C
Yes,
sir
I
can
provide
that
to
you.
I,
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
today,
as
I
mentioned,
they
were
scattered
over
about
concentrated
in
about
three
of
our
western
post
e
town,
Bowling,
Green
and
I
can't
recall
the
other
one,
and
then
we
had
one
or
two
in
our
post
areas
in
Eastern,
Kentucky
I
can
get
you
those
specific
locations.
I
appreciate.
A
C
Some
arrests,
but
in
all
honesty,
I
could
not
say
that
was
related
to
combat
issues.
Some
of
the
arrests
that
we
made
were,
quite
frankly
typical,
Friday
night
arrests
of
folks
that
had
come
in
perhaps
intoxicated
belligerent,
whatever
that's
not
obviously
entirely
out
of
the
norm,
but
luckily
I
think
the
thinking
was
that
the
hospitals
could
possibly
reach
capacity
and
that
could
cause
some
disruption
in
service
and
possibly
some
disruptive
behavior.
The
governor,
like
everyone
else,
does
not
have
a
crystal
ball,
though
they're
using
the
best
data
that
they
have
and
actually
have.
C
F
You
mr.
chairman
I
appreciate
that
I
want
to
start
with
Commissioner
brewer
a
commissioner
in
this
time
of
unrest.
It's
good
to
see
someone
with
good
to
have
someone
with
such
experiences
yourself,
I'm
from
Louisville
I.
Think
I'm,
the
only
one
in
this
committee
from
Louisville
now
on
the
committee,
but
here
today
and
my
city
is
burning.
We
have
what
a
many
are
saying:
a
vacuum
of
leadership.
F
It's
a
very
emotional
time
in
my
life
and
anyone
from
Lowell's
lives
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Brewer
on
behalf
of
Louisville,
thank
you
and
all
of
the
people
of
the
Kentucky
State
Police
in
every
county
in
Kentucky
that
have
come
to
Louisville
and
have
helped
us
their
professionalism,
isn't
just
because
the
men
and
women
that
you
oversee
or
that
you
manage
as
the
Commissioner
are
so
high
quality.
It's
also
a
testament
to
your
leadership
and
so
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart.
F
C
I
can't
say
how
much
I
appreciate
that
and
I'd
love
to
take
all
the
credit
for
it,
but
very
little
of
it
is
mine
and
I
can
tell
you
that
you
and
the
entire
committee
and
I
don't
say
this
in
a
disparaging
way
against
the
Louisville
Metro
Police
Department,
there's
some
fine
men
and
women
on
that
department.
But
I
cannot
tell
you
the
number
of
times
that
the
Kentucky
State
Police
has
been
singled
out
and
praised
for
our
patients
and
our
diligence
and
our
professionalism
in
all
aspects
of
all
men
in
Louisville.
C
It
goes
much
deeper
than
that.
We've
had
pockets
of
unrest,
different
areas
of
the
state
in
Northern
Kentucky
in
Ashland
Post
in
Mayfield,
across
the
state
and
time
and
time
again
our
men
and
women
have
stepped
up
and
showed
their
their
true
level
of
training
and
professionalism
and
commitment
to
keep
the
state
safe
and
I
can
tell
you
everything
that
you
said
is
true.
If
far
as
the
things
that
we've
had
hurled
at
us
from
insults
to
mountaintop
cocktails
and
our
folks
have
maintained
a
presence
there.
C
That
is
more
than
impressive,
and
it
makes
me
very
proud.
Every
night,
when
I
go
down
to
the
briefings
and
and
we
go
through
the
ground
rules
every
night,
what
the
engagement
rules
are
just
like
a
baseball
game
that
we
go
out
to
the
mound
and
even
though
everybody
knows
the
rules
we
go
over
and
we
reinforce
that
and
they're
there
very
cognizant
of
is.
This
is
a
very
strained
environment
but
that
we're
going
to
be
down
there
for
the
long
haul.
C
F
You,
commissioner
and
again,
I
couldn't
tell
you
how
deep
I
feel
grateful.
How
deeply
grateful
I
am
to
you
and
and
to
into
the
interior
troopers
I
hope
I
know
that
if
we
had
the
leadership
in
LMPD
that
we
have
at
KSP,
we
would
not
be
facing
a
lot
of
these
problems
and
now
that
our
recent
chief
has
been
terminated
and
we
have
an
interim
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
new
leadership.
F
I
call
on
you,
I
ask
our
mayor
and
our
governor,
who
I
think
has
provided
good
leadership
here
as
well
to
get
together
and
to
have
you
and
others
like
you
in
particular,
to
you
get
involved
in
hiring
our
next
leader
for
LMPD,
because
we
need
an
LMPD
like
we
have
a
KSP.
If
I
could
move
on
to
my
question
now.
Mister
mister,
please.
F
Thank
you,
mr.
Commissioner.
Mr.
chairman,
this
is
a
different
question
and
I
bring
this
up
and
it's
related
to
Kovan,
because
this
RFP
was
released
earlier
this
year.
It's
about
prison
health
care,
it
was
a
750
million
dollar
bid
and
it
was
a
10-year
bid.
It
was
a
21-day.
The
RFP
and
I'm
glad
to
I
want
to
thank
secretary
noble
for
pulling
that
RFP,
which
was
stunningly
put
out
during
kovin
so
but
I
want.
But
what
I
wanted
some
commitments?
I
want
to
thank
the
secretary
for
her
commitment
to
transparency
with
the
legislature.
F
I
think
that's
extremely
important,
but
because
this
RFP
was
put
out
during
kovin
with
the
21
day
turnaround,
even
though
it
was
later
pulled,
I
think
they're,
significant
mistrust
coming
from
me,
certainly
and
from
a
lot
of
other
people
related
to
this
massive
contract.
So
I
would
like
to
get
some
commitments
that,
before
an
RFP
is
required
to
be
bit
upon,
receive
bids
that
we're
going
to
allow
site
visits,
because
there
are
a
number
of
companies
that
do
this
around
the
country.
F
So
we
can
get
the
best
possible
RFP
to
bring
the
best
bid
for
the
Kentucky
taxpayer.
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
that
I
would
like
a
commitment
that
the
RFP
proposal
before
it's
put
out
be
brought
to
the
general
assembly
budget
subcommittee
over
justice
and
judiciary,
because
I,
don't
trust
the
process
right
now.
I
trust
you
secretary
Nolan,
thank
you
for
pulling
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
the
best
bid
possible
and
we're
gonna
have
to
fund
it
for
ten
years
after
the
contract
is
signed.
F
So
I
want
to
make
sure
the
General
Assembly
is
involved
in
in
making
sure
that
we
have
the
right
the
right,
particular
things
that
are
in
that
RFP
that
that
go
out
before
they
go
out.
So,
unlike
you
get
a
commitment
on
those
four
things
and
if
we
can't
get
them
I
like
to
know
why
we
can't
commit
to
those
four
things
and
I'll
repeat
them
if
you
need
them.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
You,
representative
Nemeth,
you
know
I,
do
have
to
say
this.
I
was
not
the
secretary.
It
was
not
this
administration
when
that
RFP
was
formed
and
when
the
background
work
was
done
on
it,
it
was
already
submitted
and
in
the
works
when
I
came
in
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
forever.
Isn't
it
didn't
e
--mess,
because
you
brought
some
things
to
my
attention
that
frankly,
I
had
not
been
aware
of
I
checked
into
them.
I
realized
this
was
a
totally
unsupportable
situation
and
I
did
what
was
necessary
to
pull
that
RFP.
D
This
is
the
commitment
I
will
give
you
I
am
not
actually
knowledgeable
on
Rufus
I,
say
here
this
minute
to
say:
yes,
sir
I
will
totally
agree
to
all
four
of
the
things
that
you've
asked
me
because
you
frankly
surprised
me,
but
I
will
give
you
this
commitment.
We
will
put
out
a
proper
RFP
and
if
those
things
are
part
of
a
proper
RFP,
they
will
be
included
and
I,
don't
mind
your
oversight,
I,
don't
mind
you
understood,
looking
into
what
we're
doing,
because
I've
never
done
anything.
D
That's
improper
that
I'm,
aware
of
or
certainly
not
intentionally
in
my
life
and
I,
wouldn't
do
it
now
not
for
this
medical
contract.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
looking
into
a
different
approach
to
the
contract.
This
was
what
I
will
call
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
an
omnibus
bid,
and
it
does
last
for
ten
years.
There
are
some
points
in
favor
of
that.
There
are
also
some
points
against
it,
one
of
which
that
I
know
the
legislature
has
consistently
disliked,
and
that
is
the
10
year
term.
D
So
the
points
that
you
make
about
the
possible
cost
for
this
contract
or
its
duration
are
valid
and
I
recognize
them
without
thinking
through
and
being
on
the
spot.
You're
not
likely
to
get
a
straight
commitment
out
of
me
for
those
four
items,
but
I
will
be
glad
to
meet
with
you
and,
as
this
process
goes
forward,
I
will
100%
commit
to
a
good
and
open
process
for
getting
this
RFP
set
up,
representativeness
and
I.
Don't
think
my
answer
is
probably
any
surprise
to
you
today.
No.
F
It's
not
mr.
chairman
two
seconds
you
fought
for
transparency
in
the
court
and
I
know
you're
gonna
fight
for
it
in
justice
cabinet
a
ten
year
contract.
Even
if
it's
a
five
year
contract
ten
years,
750
million
dollars,
the
General
Assembly
is
going
to
have
to
fund
it.
The
General
Assembly
should
be
involved,
not
just
an
oversight
after
its
signed,
because
that's
too
late
in
advance,
so
I'm
gonna
be
asked
the
contract
review
committee
to
reject
any
contract.
That's
not
been
pre
pre
approved
by
the
General
Assembly
from
that
massive
Thank
You.
Mr.
chairman.
D
F
Not
in
law
its
respect
for
separation
of
powers,
and
we
will
do
our
duty
that
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
our
powers
are
respected,
as
just
as
you
will,
if
this
bid
is
put
out,
I
don't
care.
What's
in
it,
hhor--
hasn't
been
a
part
of
it.
I
work
to
reject
the
bid,
because
that's
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
taxpayer,
750
million
dollars
10-year
contract
is
outrageous
without
the
funders
being
involved.
I'll.
A
Gonna
have
to
end
this
particular
portion
of
our
of
our
committee
meeting.
We
probably
have
some
more
questions
and
speaking
of
commitment
I
will
not
commit
to
not
asking
you
all
to
come
and
testify
again,
but
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
testify,
appreciate
your
comments
and
good
luck
to
you
all,
and
thank
you
very
much.
It's
a
second
all
right
next
on
the
agenda
from
a
different
part
of
Frankfort
yeah.
Maybe
not!
A
G
A
G
Terrific,
so
just
a
the
first
slide
here
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
our
department
and
in
case
them
are
not
familiar.
Our
department
is
responsible
for
the
administration
of
state
and
federally
funded
mental
health,
substance
use
disorder
and
developmental
and
intellectual
disability
programs
and
services,
and
that's
throughout
the
Commonwealth.
Our
mission
is
to
provide
leadership
that
helps
to
prevent
disability,
build
resilience
and
facilitate
recovery
and
people
whose
lives
are
impacted
again
by
mental
illness,
substance
abuse,
intellectual
or
developmental
disability.
G
The
next
slide
is
what
I
use
in
virtually
every
presentation
I
give,
and
that
just
gives
you
the
footprint
of
our
department,
it's
quite
substantial
and
we
do
have
a
central
office
in
Frankfort
and
where
we
employ
them,
200
people
we
run
a
number
of
facilities
a
summer
and
operated
by
the
state.
Others
we
operate
under
contract,
but
we
have
acute
inpatient
psychiatric
facilities,
a
forensic
facility
in
LaGrange
we
have
two
nursing
homes
for
people
with
persons,
a
number
of
intermediate
care
facilities
for
people
that
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
G
G
And
both
on
the
inpatient
side
and
on
the
outpatient
side,
what
we
do
is
we
really
serve
population
to
people
that
other
providers
are
either
unwilling
or
unable
to
care
for,
and
other
people
with
serious
and
persistent
mental
illness
may
be
a
danger
to
themselves
or
others.
People
who
may
require
extended
stays
in
an
institution
of
people
who
are
homeless
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
collectively.
This
system
of
care
is
our
public
behavioral
health
safety
net.
G
But
next
we'll
show
you
our
goals
we
at
the
beginning
of
every
year
and
make
those
available
to
the
legislators
at
the
beginning
of
such.
So
hopefully,
this
looks
familiar
to
some
of
you.
It
was
included
in
the
annual
quart.
We
I
just
cemani
that
in
January
central
to
our
work
there
in
the
middle
and.
G
G
Ingold
is
our
goal
to
support
and
promote
the
behavioral
health
and
wellness
of
children
is
both
for
those
who
are
at
risk
or
already
involved
with
child
welfare
in
GRA
assure
a
safe
and
adequate
system
of
care
of
people
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
and,
last
but
not
least,
and
the
lavender
is
to
advance
efficient
and
effective
operations
for
our
departments
facilities.
Again,
these
goals
were
all
established
of
pre
Calvin,
but
they
all
continue
to
be
pertinent
in
the
work
we're
doing
currently.
G
The
next
slide
I'll
just
talk
about
some
issues
of
concern
during
the
pandemic,
which
I
believe
to
be
was
your
question
for
me
today.
First
and
foremost
is
assuring
that
we
have
that
people
have
access
to
behavioral
health
treatment
and
recovery
supports
during
during
this
crisis.
So
that's
our
main
aim
is
to
protect
the
capacity
that
we
currently
have,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
the
growing
demand
in
the
demand
is
growing.
G
The
bottom
line
answer
is:
yes,
we
have
been
able
to
assure
services
are
available,
some
services
look
different,
not
every
service
is
available,
but
we
do
have
services
available
to
anybody
who
needs
them.
We
do
know
that
the
psychological
impact
of
the
pandemic
isolation,
no
they're,
not
insignificant,
there's
a
lot
of
published
research
on
it,
and
we
know
that
this.
The
response
to
that
psychological
impact
has
been
essential
to
one
of
Kentucky's
central
responses.
The
governor
lists
prioritized
mental
health
as
one
as
his
important
ten
steps.
I
think
he
goes
over
those
most
every
night.
G
So,
on
his
ten
steps
to
fight
coven
19
prioritizing
mental
health
is
on
there
and
we
also
have
a
number
of
resources
on
the
Kentucky
cupboard
19
website
available
to
people.
So
we
know
that
the
impact
of
the
pandemic
is
especially
pronounced
for
people
who
have
pre-existing
behavioral
health
problems,
so
that
would
again
include
people
with
serious
and
persistent
mental
illness.
Children
with
severe
emotional
disability.
G
Those
who
have
substance
use
disorders,
but
we
know
that
there's
also
a
lot
of
people
are
having
a
new
onset
of
symptoms,
especially
this
could
be
especially
hard
for
healthcare
professionals,
and
you
know
it's
related
to
the
new
stress
or
its
fear
of
contracting
the
illness
or
having
a
family
member
can
track
the
illness
socially
from
family
from
friends
or
support
systems.
We
know
a
lot
of
people
who
are
stressed
by
trying
to
homeschool
their
children.
We
have
folks
who
are
unemployed
and
have
financial
confess
things
can
contribute
to
that.
G
G
A
couple
of
things
that
we
are
paying
specific
attention
to
is
suicide
attempts
and
deaths
and
overdoses
are
the
data
that
we
have
right
now
and
there
is
a
lag.
There
is
a
pretty
significant
suicide
data
right
now.
We
don't
have
data
that
shows
an
increase
in
deaths
since
the
Declaration
was
put
in
place,
but
we
know
from
other
similar
events
across.
G
We're
trying
to
be
sure
that
we
get
lots
of
information
out
that
we're
making
sure
that
we
have
that
we
have
attention
to
that,
not
just
the
data
but
to
be
working
on
prevention,
and
so
we've
made
a
lot
of
efforts
towards
that
overdoses.
On
the
other
hand,
we
have
seen
the
end
of
March
and
we're
able
to
monitor
daily.
G
We're
able
to
get
more
timely
data
on
that
and
the
Lexington
Herald
actually
reported
last
week
that
fatal
overdoses
in
Lexington
are
at
forty
two
percent
from
last
year.
At
this
time,
Louisville
was
at
11
percent
in
more
than
10
counties.
Reports,
similar
trajectories
I,
think
what's
really
important
to
to
know,
though,
is
that
these
deaths
of
despair
is
some
call
them
which,
which
are
your
deaths
from
suicide
from
drug
out
and
alcohol
overdose
have
been
on
the
rise
for
more
than
a
decade.
So
this
this
is
uptick
is
not
something
new.
G
It
was
an
existing
epidemic,
so
we
want
to
be
very
careful
as
we
look
at
it
in
the
context
of
this
pandemic,
not
to
draw
conclusions
too
early,
so
this
uptick
may
not
be
at
all
related
to
the
virus.
It
may
be
an
outlier,
a
blip.
Maybe
it's
going
to
go
back
down,
so
it's
is
much
much
much
too
early
to
draw
conclusions,
but
I
assure
you
if
something
were
paying
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
next
slide
is
on
our
strategies.
What
are
we
doing,
and
first
and
foremost,
is
telehealth.
G
Oh,
that's
big
huge
for
our
ability
to
continue
to
provide
services.
Virtually
any
service
that
was
being
provided
face
to
face
pre
Kovac
can
now
be
provided
by
telehealth.
We're
using
this
extensively
in
the
outpatient
setting,
especially
in
the
outpatient
setting
and
coats,
can
also
provide
services
by
telephone
in
our
community
mental
health
centers.
G
We
haven't
had
that
happen,
but
it
could,
and
other
critical
professionals
can
still
be
available
to
the
facilities.
We've
been
able
to
do
our
evaluations
for
admission
to
our
facilities.
If
I
tell
doubt
that
we've
even
had
court
hearings,
we
have
frequent
court
hearings
in
our
hospitals
for
continued
stays
for
for
some
indication.
Competency,
hearings
and
we've
been
able
to
do
those
things
using
telehealth.
Importantly,.
G
That's
new
because
a
coveted,
not
necessarily
something
our
department
has
it's
doing
a
lot
of
virtual
for
recovery
support
groups,
things
such
as
Alcoholics
in
the
Muslim
world,
monix
anonymous
I've
heard
from
folks
in
the
community
who
say
that
they
they
actually
have
preferred
some
of
these
reforms,
because
they're
able
to
access
them
at
a
time
fits
their
schedule
and
they're
getting
to
interface
with
some
new
people.
Some
new
groups
and
have
found
some
good
supported.
G
We
were
doing
a
lot
of
that
pre
covet,
but
even
more
of
it
now
our
department,
my
office
has
frequent
calls
or
safety
net
providers
I'm
having
weekly
calls
with
the
group
of
community
mental
health
center
of
CEOs
and
then
another
each
week,
I'm
meeting
with
all
of
the
facility
directors
pre
Kevin
we
met
with
those
groups,
one
Supporter
we're
now
meeting
once
a
week
and
we
talk
about
what's
working.
What's
not
what
barriers
are
you
facing
that
we
need
to
help
overcome?
G
Medicaid
joins
us
on
every
one
of
those
calls
to
make
sure
we're
talking
about
things
like
pre-authorization
and
issues
that
might
come
up
with
MC
OS
and
all
that
so
everything's
being
dealt
with
just
as
efficiently
as
quickly
as
we
possibly
can
and
then
we're
also
being
very
aggressive.
With
seeking
out
additional
grant
funding.
We
were
awarded
a
two
million
dollar
grant
as
part
of
the
cares
Act
to
deal
with
mental
health
and
substance,
use
that
came
from
Samsa.
The
substance,
abuse
and
mental
health
services
administration.
G
The
next
slide,
I
just
want
to
talk
for
a
minute
about
building
back
better
because
well,
the
consensus
seems
to
be
that
we
might
be
kid
again
with
the
virus
in
the
fall.
We
currently
see
thing
blowing
down,
and
so
we
want
to
really
pay
attention
to.
What
have
we
been
doing?
That's
working
such
as
telehealth
that
we
need
to,
and
one
thing
maybe
didn't
work.
We
didn't
get
in
place
quickly
enough
so
yeah.
We
are
really
mental
health
to
continue
to
continue
for
there
not
to
be
an
end
to
that.
G
G
G
And
the
most
likely
continue
to
have
some
of
our
conferences
by
virtual
means.
We've
learned
that
for
conferences
to
provide
education
to
folks
when
they're
done,
virtually
more
people
can
come
because
they
only
have
to
step
away
from
their
job
for
a
couple
hours
instead
of
having
to
travel
and
be
away
for
a
whole
day.
So
that's
that's
been
good.
G
G
G
Our
department
is
working
closely
with
Medicaid
for
a
potential
prospective
payment
system
and
look
at
what
would
be
the
cost
of
savings
and
the
potential
improvement
in
outcomes,
and
we
there's
a
lot
of
data
out
there
so
that
the
states
have
implemented
had
really
good
outcomes,
a
new
waiver
program
for
people
with
serious
illness.
It
would
be
similar
to
SC
average
supportive
community
living
waiver
that
we
have
for
people
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
with
a
focused
residential
employment
and
case
management,
supports
and
services,
and
then
my
last
slide
is
just
again
without
mental
health.
G
Correct
we
don't
well,
we
the
data,
we
we
have
doesn't
show
an
uptick,
but
but
sometimes
you
know
the
coroner's
information
and
other
things
for
things
to
be.
If
you're
cleared
for
us
to
get
vital
statistics,
we
really
don't
get
accurate
data
on
any
kind
of
real-time
basis,
but
it
is
something
that
we're
paying
attention
to
locally
and
nationally.
Okay,.
G
A
G
Would
have
to
look
at
it,
I
haven't
seen
it
graphed.
We
have
seen
other
other
bumps
up
like
this.
Before,
though,
is
you
know
to
my
understanding?
It's
not
it's
not
a
spike,
that's
bigger
than
other
spikes,
we've
seen
if
you
look
at
it
longitudinally,
but
if
it
it
is
concerning
because
we
want
to,
we
want
to
pay
attention
to.
Is
it?
Is
it
on
it
up
or
was
it
a
spike?
That's
gonna
come
back
down
which.
A
A
The
felonies
that
would
be
commuted
and
the
reason
I
asked
that
question
is
you've
specifically
mentioned
in
your
presentation,
opioid
and
drug
overdose
and
and
that
issue
and
as
I
look
through
the
presentation
from
the
justice
cabinet,
they're
welded
people
who
were
released
for
trafficking
in
other
than
marijuana.
So
it
just
seems
to
me
that
there
should
have
been
some
consultation
with
you
and
I'm
wondering.
Did
that
actually
happen?.
G
I,
don't
know
I
can't
I,
don't
know
offhand
if
there
was
consultation
beforehand.
What
was
not
with
me
specifically,
but
I,
know
that
we
did.
Our
team
did
work
with
them
to
make
sure
that
folks,
who
were
being
released,
we're
going
to
have
access
to
treatment
and
access
to
narcan,
and
so
to
my
understanding,
everybody
who
got
released,
who
had
those
kinds
of
issues
was
was
set
up
to
have
you
don't
think
they
were
going
to
get
an
appointment
for
outpatient
services
and
the
narcan
I
can
get
the
details
of
how
that
actually
played
out.
A
G
G
You
know
symptoms
of
psychological
distress
than
I've
been
an
actual.
What
what
I
would
diagnose
for
mental
illness?
But
you
know,
is
people
with
that's
something
will
will
pay
attention
to
to
its,
but
we
haven't
seen
we
haven't
seen
an
uptick
in
billable
services
so,
but
we
have
feeling
uptick
to
the
crisis
lines.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
represent
me
shmore,
you
had
a
question
and
that
will
be
the
the
last
question
we
have
because
our
time
has
expired:
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman
and
Commissioner.
Thank
you
for
presentation.
I
was
curious
to
if,
if
you
think,
there's
some
patients
out
there
being
missed
now
with
you
have
to
deliver
your
service
yeah.
G
G
The
the
population
that
we've
been
most
concerned
about
is
kids
and
kids
who
were
getting
school-based
services.
So
when
the
schools
closed,
there's
a
percentage
of
kids
that
the
Department
for
Education
has
been
unable
to
reach
and
that
our
clinics
have
been
unable
to
reach,
and
so
we
haven't
really
seen
these
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we're.
We
feel
like
we're
doing
pretty
good
with
with
our
pre-existing
adult
clients,
as
far
as
reaching
reaching
them
with
health.
G
But
it's
the
kids
that
we've
been
concerned
about,
and
so
we
continue
to
interface
on
a
regular
basis
with
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education.
You
know
we're
we're
paying
attention
to
what's
going
to
happen
with
school,
in
the
fall
and
and
how
we're
going
to
make
sure
kids
are
getting
the
services
they
need.
Okay,.
A
Commissioner,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
testimony.
The
committee
and
I
certainly
appreciate
it
as
I
told
your
noble
I
won't
commit
to
not
asking
you
to
come
back
and
testify
again
as
as
we
go
along,
but
I
certainly
appreciate
the
testimony,
and
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
members
before
we
adjourn
a
couple
things
I
want
you
to
note
that
remote
access
will
be
a
lot
from
the
interim.
A
You
will
be
provided
information
prior
to
the
meeting
on
to
as
to
how
to
access
the
meeting
remotely
and
meeting
materials
will
all
be
made
available
online.
One
final
thing:
if
there
are
any
members
participating
remote,
are
there
any
members
participating
remotely
who
have
not
indicated
their
attendance?
A
Please
let
the
secretary
know
yeah
we'll
get
women's
to
do
that
email
to
be
fine.
So
the
next
item
is
the
German
I.
Before
we
do
that,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
attending
either
remotely
or
in
person.
I
really
do
appreciate
it.
I
know
this
is
these
are
tough
times
for
everybody,
and
so
may
I
have
a
motion
for
a
German
I
love
the
hammer.