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From YouTube: Interim Joint Committee on Veterans, Military Affairs, and Public Protection (7-20-22) - Part 2
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A
One
call
center
in
their
jurisdictional
area,
and
at
that
time
we
had
cities,
counties,
hundreds
of
911
dispatch
call
centers
across
the
commonwealth,
and
then
the
cell
phone
came
and
as
more
and
more
providers
of
cellular
service
came
into
into
being.
It
got
to
a
point
where
the
local
governments
got
together
and
said:
okay,
we
cry
uncle
so
hard
to
try
to
collect
and
set
fees
on
different
providers.
They
determined
that
would
be
best
for
the
state
to
take
over
the
wireless
aspect.
A
So
in
1998
the
911
services
board
that
time
was
called
the
cmrs
board
was
created
and
a
fee
was
established
to
help
fund
9-1-1
on
statewide
level
and
that
led
to
a
lot
of
intra-county
consolidation
and
we
ended
up
with.
In
most
situations
a
county
has
their
own
one.
One-Piece
app
per
county
psap
is
another
name
for
a
9-1-1
call
center.
It's
public
service,
public
safety
answering
point
okay,
so
the
role
of
the
911
services
board
is
to
collect
and
distribute
the
wireless
911
surcharge,
which
is
a
fee,
not
a
tax.
A
A
in
2006
legislation
was
passed
that
created
a
separate
fee
for
prepaid
services,
and
at
that
time
prepaid
meant.
You
went
into
a
convenience
store.
A
walmart
gas
station
bought
a
calling
card
that
had
a
predetermined
number
of
minutes
or
hours
or
data
on
it,
and
as
that
expired,
you
went
and
recharged
that
card,
and
so
a
separate
fee
was
eventually
created
to
capture
those
types
of
transactions
as
separate
from
a
normal
monthly
contract.
Your
att
verizon
t-mobile
sprint
built
pleased
to
report
that
of
every
dollar
that
is
collected
from
the
wireless
911
surcharge
fee.
A
97.5
cents
goes
right
back
to
your
local
911
call
center
in
one
way,
shape
form
or
another,
and
that
is
done
through
statutory
formula.
85
goes
out
in
two
different
pools.
One
of
them
is
called
the
pro
rata
share.
That
is
essentially
one
share
per
piece
app
and
that
helps
distribute
the
funds.
More
equitably
for
smaller
centers,
because
the
other
pool
comes
out
of
what
we
call
the
call
volume
and
that
is
based
on
the
number
of
wireless
subscribers
in
the
zip
codes
that
is
serviced
by
that
911
call
center.
A
So
if
it
was
just
completely
based
on
on
call
volume,
lexington
louisville
northern
kentucky
would
take
about
90
percent
of
all
the
fees
in
the
state,
so
that
pro
rata
helps
even
that
out
a
bit.
Then
we
have
a
competitive
grant
program
which,
over
the
years,
has
pushed
out
anywhere
from
two
to
three
million
dollars
in
grants
to
help
911
call
centers
get
the
equipment
they
need
for
this
revolutionary
technology.
A
So,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
trends
back
in
2015,
the
board
was
collecting
about
26
and
a
half
million
dollars
a
year
when
we
first
had
the
impact
of
that
prepaid,
that
new
formula
for
collecting
fees
on
prepaid
fees
increased
pretty
radically
and
but
within
a
four
year
period,
was
up
to
34
million
dollars
a
year
in
the
fiscal
year
that
just
closed
out.
We
collected
36
and
a
half
million
dollars.
A
Now,
as
you
can
imagine,
however,
while
911
fees
for
wireless
devices
have
been
going
up
at
a
pretty
good
clip,
it's
been
a
cataclysmic
decline
on
the
land
line
side,
so
the
fees
generated
so
remember
that
the
state
board
only
collects
those
wireless
fees
for
your
landlines
and
your
voip.
The
rate
for
those
911
fees
is
still
set
collected
and
spent
all
at
a
local
level.
So
we've
got
different
mechanisms
of
collecting
landline
fees
in
a
city
and
state
level,
our
city
and
county
level.
A
Some
folks
still
are
putting
on
the
landlines
other
folks
have
realized.
With
that
ever
diminishing
pool
of
landline
accounts
out
there
they've
tried
to
spread
that
base
by
back
out
by
putting
it
on
a
a
property
tax
assessment,
parcel
fee
or
a
other
utility,
but
it
has
been
an
effect
where
they're
losing
far
more
money,
the
local
level
than
they're
gaining
with
this
wireless
fees.
A
A
41
comes
from
city
and
county
general
fund
appropriations
and
34
is
that
local
911
fee
component,
which
is
now
not
just
on
land
lines,
to
spread
apart
to
other
other
venues,
as
we
discussed
spoiler
so
right
now
about
80
percent
of
all
calls
to
9-1-1
across
the
state
and
the
country
come
from
a
wireless
device,
so
the
next
generation
9-1-1,
is
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
today.
So
what
is
next
generation
9-1-1?
It's
one
of
those
all-encompassing
terms.
A
That
means
different
things
to
different
people,
depending
on
the
audience
you're
talking
to
for
the
public.
That
may
mean
the
ability
to
send
a
text
or
a
photo,
or
even
a
video
from
the
user
from
the
public
to
your
911
call
center.
If
you're
in
the
mapping
world,
it
means
that
calls
are
routed
in
a
completely
different
way.
A
This
is
really
generally
considered
antiquated
technology
in
a
next-generation,
9-1-1
environment.
The
calls
the
wireless
calls
are
routed
geospatially,
which
means
when
the
call
is
made
a
location
is
determined
based
on
the
caller.
It
is
processed
by
a
central
brain
that
routes
the
call
to
the
appropriate
call
center
based
on
where
that
call
was
made,
and
that
is
a
huge
leap
in
technology
for
a
state
like
kentucky
which
has
seven
bordering
states
and
120
counties.
A
As
you
can
imagine,
it
is
not
uncommon
at
all
for
call
to
be
placed
in
one
county
it
to
hit
a
cell
tower
on
a
border,
and
so
it
gets
routed
to
not
necessarily
even
just
another
county
but
might
go
across
the
ohio
river
and
be
answered
by
cincinnati
and
anytime.
A
call
is
misrouted.
That
is
a
delay
in
the
response
to
that
emergency.
A
So
transfers
take
time
in
the
911
world
time
is,
is
is
not
money.
Time
is
lives,
so
it's
absolutely
imperative
that
we
get
our
calls
dispatched
as
quickly
and
as
efficiently
as
possible,
and
next
generation
9-1-1
will
be
a
huge
step
toward
that
end
and
the
other
element
to
it.
If
you're
an
I.t
geek
is,
I
is
the
connectivity
of
all
of
the
call
centers
onto
a
single
network.
A
So,
in
an
instance
where
you've
got
a
natural
disaster
as
it
is
today,
every
911
call
center
has
a
backup
facility
or
a
backup
peace
app
that
will
cover
their
up
their
operations
if
they
go
down.
So
if
there's
a
tornado
in
western
kentucky,
luckily
that
one's
spared
the
call
center
out
in
in
far
western
kentucky,
but
a
lot
of
folks
did
lose
functionality,
so
they
rely
on
their
backup
facility,
which
is
often
a
ksp
post
or
it
could
be
a
neighboring
call
center.
But
what
if
that
incident,
is
regional?
A
What
if
we
have
an
earthquake
on
the
new
madrid
fault?
That
affects
not
one
area
but
multiple
counties
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you've
lost
your
backup
and
your
backups
back
up
in
a
next-generation,
9-1-1
environment.
The
call
routing
with
the
flick
of
a
switch,
can
be
routed
to
any
other
call
center
on
the
network.
So
it's
a
huge
step
forward
in
redundancy
and
backup
capabilities,
but
it
all
comes
down
to,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
geospatial
call
routing.
A
Sometimes
it's
in
your
benefit
not
to
be
that
trailblazer,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
other
states
out
there
that
got
really
enamored
with
the
call
the
geospatial
call
routing
and
the
ip
connectivity
and
spent
millions
of
dollars,
creating
their
network
of
connectivity
only
to
determine
a
year
or
two
down
the
road
that
our
mapping
is
junk
and
they
couldn't
feed
their
psaps
data
into
that
central
brain
because
they
couldn't
trust
their
mapping.
So
kentucky
is,
is
sometimes
is
good
not
to
be.
A
First,
we've
learned
a
lot
from
what
other
states
that
have
gone
before
us,
not
only
what
they've
done
well,
but
what
they've
struggled
with
and
so
we're
taking
that
knowledge
to
adopt
a
different
strategy
for
our
own
state
deployment
all
right.
So
what
are
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
going
to
face
as
we
try
to
get
to
this
next
generation
next
9-1-1
on
a
state
level?
A
First,
off
the
funding
right,
we've
got
this
ever
diminishing
landline
fee
at
a
local
level,
which
is
making
the
funding
of
your
your
city
or
county's
911
call
center
a
struggle.
There
are
very
few
peace
apps
that
operate
in
the
black
on
a
regular
basis,
because
it
is
a
tight
tight
area.
It
doesn't
pay
real.
Well,
it's
hard
to
retain
staff
and
especially
when
a
generally
good
economy
that
we've
had
for
most
of
the
last
14
years
in
a
job
industry
like
911
dispatching
can
be
a
tough
sell.
A
It
doesn't
pay
great,
it
can
be
very
high
stress.
You
can
end
up
on
the
other
end
of
a
call
where
someone's
having
a
heart
attack
and
there's
literally
dying
before
you
and
there's
all
you
can
do-
is
resource
other
first
responder
entities
to
them,
but
it
can
be
a
very
stressful
situation
and
then
the
the
911
services
board,
as
we've
been
getting
ready
for
next
generation
9-1-1,
and
knowing
that
the
mapping
is
so
important.
A
A
A
To
just
establish
the
foundation
for
our
funding
of
our
our
next
generation
projects
and
then
federal
grants,
so
we
qualified
in
2019
for
a
3.6
million
dollar
statewide
next
generation
project
and
that
allowed
us
to
lay
the
foundation
and
jump
start
our
statewide
efforts.
That
was
in
the
form
of
2.2
million
dollars
from
the
federal
government.
There
was
a
match
on
that
of
1.4
million
dollars
that
came
out
of
the
board's
administrative
fund.
A
It
was
not
appropriation
from
the
general
assembly,
it
didn't
get
added
to
any
budget
that
was
put
in
and
it
didn't
come
out
of
the
peace
apps.
We
had
built
up
a
surplus
over
the
last
several
years
through
efficiencies
that
we
did
within
our
911
services
board
that
we
were
able
to
put
that
entire
local
match
out
of
our
administrative
fund
and
we're
thrilled
to
be
able
to
do
so.
A
A
A
They
have
their
own
gis
teams.
They've
got
departments
that
they
can
rely
on
in-house
within
their
peace.
App
even
owensboro
has
its
own
gis
staff.
When
you
go
to
our
semi-rural
counties,
they
may
be
looking
at
a
county
gis
division
or
that
can
provide
them
some
assistance
and
you
go
to
our
really
small
counties.
They
may
not
have
a
gis
expert
in
the
entire
county
and
they
have
to
contract
that
out.
A
So
we
want
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
get
them
the
resources
to
get
that
information.
Next,
gen
ready
all
right,
so
this
is
the
only
technical
slide.
I'm
going
to
throw
at
you,
because
this
can
be
a
very
deep
technical
discussion
because
it
gets
involved
into
network
engineering
and
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
us.
We've
got
this
one
slide
that
shows
the
data
flow
that
we
wanted
to
create
in
kentucky.
A
That
was
really
unique
in
kentucky
for
the
country,
because
it
is
a
circular
data
flow
so
as
it
had
been
in
the
past
and
as
it
still
is
in
many
states
the
acquisition
of
that
mapping
data
is
done
at
a
local
level.
So
your
call
center
is
responsible
for
their
own
mapping,
data
and
the
validity
and
accuracy
of
that.
But
when
that
data
is
created,
it
is
then
siloed
within
that
peace,
app
and,
generally
speaking,
not
shared
with
anyone
else.
A
So
you've
got
right
now
an
incident
that
may
start
in
morgan
county
but
may
trickle
across
the
county
line,
and
if
that
happens,
that
neighboring
peace
app
may
not
have
the
mapping
information
of
where
that
came
from,
and
it
can
be
confusing
and
lead
to
delays
and
response.
So
we
wanted
to
create
a
situation
where
everyone
was
sharing
their
mapping
information
with
everyone,
so
that
data
is,
if
you
have
a
question,
senator
oh
okay,
feel
free
to
interrupt
anyone.
A
So
the
goal
was
to
get
that
information
created
but
validated
to
make
sure
it's
updated
and
accurate
and
then
shared.
So
every
psap
creates
their
own
mapping
data
and
through
this
grant
that
we
got,
we
got
a
contract
with
a
firm
that
does
a
qa
qc
checks
that
data
and
make
sure
it's
next
generation,
9-1-1
ready
any
errors
that
are
generated,
go
back
to
the
psat
for
remediation
and
once
it
is
cleared
and
deemed
to
be
next-gen
ready,
it
is
put
into
a
state
gis
clearinghouse,
and
that
is
housed
by
cots
division
of
geographic
information.
A
So
they're
going
to
have
this
incredible
wealth
of
data
flowing
into
them,
with
all
the
goal
of
reducing
response
time
and
helping
ensure
they've
got
the
most
accurate
and
and
appropriate
response
for
any
emergency
incident,
and
when
the
by
the
time
this
project
is
finished,
we're
going
to
have
more
power
through
information
at
the
hands
of
our
911
call
centers
than
at
any
state
in
the
country.
So
it's
pretty
exciting
project
all
right
which
feeds
right
into
our
accomplishments.
In
december
of
2020,
we
updated
our
state
9-1-1
road
map
december
of
21.
A
We
were
able
to
contribute
funding
to
fly.
10
counties
covering
more
than
4
000
square
miles
got
as
far
west
is
muhlenberg
county
in
2022.
They
plan
to
fly
the
last
batch
that'll
close
out
the
state
and
they're
going
to
start
the
whole
process.
Over
again.
In
march
of
this
year,
we
distributed
700
monitors
and
computer
workstations
that
we
are
dedicated
to
this
supplemental
data
portal.
A
As
of
may
just
a
couple
months
ago,
all
111
certified
board.
Certified
psapps
had
done
their
initial
gis
upload
and
it
was
such
an
exciting
project
that
we
were
invited
at
a
national
911
conference
that
was
held
in
louisville
last
month
to
do
a
presentation
on
our
supplemental
data
portal
and
our
circular
workflow
to
show
the
rest
of
the
country.
What
cool
things
we're
doing
in
kentucky,
which
is,
is
pretty
good
that
we're
you
know
able
to
show
how
we're
leading
the
country
in
some
ways.
A
All
right
so
what's
next,
we
have
done
a
tremendous
amount
for
laying
a
solid
foundation
for
next
generation
9-1-1
in
kentucky
we're
investing
heavily
in
our
mapping.
Data
we've
got
that
circular.
Workflow
we're
providing
resources
through
information
and
data
to
our
911
call
centers
to
give
them
power
at
their
fingertips.
A
A
We've
got
enough
funding
going
into
that
next
generation,
911
technology
fund,
to
keep
these
foundational
projects
going
in
perpetuity,
and
that
was
my
goal
coming
out
of
2022
that
when
this
federal
grant
ran
out,
which
it
did
in
march,
that
we
would
be
able
to
sustain
these
projects
moving
forward,
because
nothing
could
be
worse
for
us
than
to
build
all
this
momentum
and
initiative
only
to
pull
the
plug
when
the
federal
grant
ran
out
so
we're
in
good
shape
that
way.
These
foundational
projects
we
can
go
with.
A
A
However,
as
again
as
I
said,
we
we've
gone
as
far
as
we
can
go
and
provided
a
ongoing
resource
mechanism
for
these
foundational
projects,
but
there's
just
not
enough
money
in
the
system
as
it
exists
today
to
go
that
final
step,
all
right.
So
what
are
we
talking
about?
What's
it
going
to
cost
to
get
us
these
last
few
steps.
A
Another
good
thing
about
not
being
first
in
this
is
the
cost
has
come
down.
The
technology
has
developed
over
the
last
several
years.
There
are
some
folks
who've
been
at
this
for
more
than
a
decade
and
they
were
laying
out
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
to
get
their
infrastructure
set
up
for
next
generation.
A
9-1-1
we're
at
a
point
now,
where
a
state
the
size
of
kentucky
we're
looking
at
about
six
to
seven
million
dollars
a
year
for
these
last
two
components
and
another
good
thing
about
that
is
because
this
takes
that
call
routing
function
and
does
it
a
statewide
level?
Many
of
you,
your
911
call
centers,
are
have
equipment
in
your
call
center.
That
does
that
call
processing
and
you
will
there's
going
to
be
some
equipment
that
can
be
decommissioned.
Essentially,
there's
some
connectivity
that
can
be
dropped
because
of
us
going
to
a
statewide
next
generation
9-1-1
system.
A
So-
and
this
is
just
the
back
of
the
napkin
estimate-
we
believe
that
our
locals
will
save
up
to
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
their
existing
funding,
so
that
spread
across
120
counties
isn't
a
tremendous
amount,
but
there
is
going
to
be
some
cost
savings
that
will
be
achieved
by
the
state.
Taking
on
this
burden
should
we
get
funding
to
do
so.
A
So
what
are
the
benefits
for
your
locals
they're,
going
to
have
far
more
accurate
call,
routing
fewer
call
transfers
which
is
going
to
mean
they
can
dispatch
those
first
responder
resources,
fire
police,
medical
services
faster
and
more
accurately,
and
that
saves
lives,
which
is
the
most
important
thing
we
do
in
this
arena.
So
at
that
point.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
I
would
be
thrilled
with
the
opportunity
to
answer
any
questions.
Anyone
might
have
of
kentucky's
efforts
along
this
path.
Senator.
C
C
I
was
fortunate
back
when
I
served
in
the
house
to
go
to
wireless
university,
which
was
quite
an
experience
and
and
got
to
know
a
lot
about
9-1-1
and
the
needs
of
9-1-1
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
issues,
especially
when
I
was
in
the
house.
In
my
early
days
in
the
senate,
we
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
9-1-1.
It
was.
It
was
a
constant
problem
with
the
shrinking
of
land
lines
and
and
increasing
in
the
sales
sale
number
of
cell
phones
that
were
in
the
market,
but
it
was.
C
C
I
will
say
that
I
do
appreciate
both
of
you.
I
appreciate
your
your
work,
your
dedication
and
most
of
all,
your
accessibility,
because
if
we
have
problems,
we
have
issues
you're,
always
there
to
answer
our
questions,
and
I
can't
thank
you
enough
for
for
that,
and
I
appreciate
it
and-
and
you
you're
right
we're
building
a
very
good
system
here
in
kentucky,
and
I
appreciate
that
because
it
is
important,
it
is
important.
C
You
don't
really
appreciate
it
until
you
need
it
and
expect
it
to
be
there
and
get
to
the
right
place
and
thank
you
for
making
that
happen.
I
do
have
one
question
and
all
that
and
it's
exciting
to
hear
that
that
next
gen
is,
we've
been
talking
about
that
for
a
long
long
time,
not
quite
a
generation
but
a
long
time.
C
D
D
What
is
the
timeline
for
when
we
will
be
in
full
effect
and
prior,
perhaps
to
that
would
be?
Is
there
will
it
all
go
into
effect
for
the
whole
state
at
the
same
time?
Or
will
systems
start
going
into
effect,
perhaps
in
the
metropolitan
areas
or
wherever,
before
the
whole
state
is
under
the
operations
of
next
gen?
Thank
you.
A
Great
questions
representative,
thank
you
so
first
off
when
we
will
go
to
the
next
step,
is
when
we
can
get
legislation
passed
that
will
increase
the
funding
that
will
allow
us
to
enter
and
our
execute
an
rfp
and
get
some
proposals
from
some
vendors
to
find
out.
Who
can
give
us
the
best
next
generation
911
system
at
the
most
effective
and
efficient
price,
so
funding
is,
is
a
key
where,
as
I
said,
we've
got
21
counties
now
that
are
their
mapping
is
essentially
next
gen
ready.
A
But
I'm
really
glad
you
brought
that
up
about
the
cutover
because
what's
important
for
you
all
to
understand
and
what
a
lot
of
people,
especially
in
the
public,
aren't
necessarily
going
to
get.
Is
this
not
a?
We
turn
the
switch
on
and
the
next
generation
core
services
and
turn
everything
else
in
the
legacy
system
off.
It
is
a
process
where
you
have
to
maintain
both
systems
for
a
considerable
amount
of
time.
While
you
can
verify
that
you've
got
that
100
percent
effective
in
in
in
operational.
A
So
there
is
a
period
of
time
where
you're
essentially
cutting
over
off
that
legacy
copper-based
system
onto
that
ip
based
network
system,
and
that
does
take
time,
which
is
why
again
we're
investing
so
heavily
in
that
mapping
on
the
front
end
to
make
sure
that
the
mapping
isn't
the
holdup.
But
there
are
currently
a
number
of
connected
networks
that
do
that
call
routing
it's
still
cell
tower
based,
but
it's
done
in
a
more
regional
manner.
A
There's
there's
five
different
networks.
Essentially,
there's
one
in
northern
kentucky,
there's
two
different
att
networks
and
there's
a
one:
that's
essentially
based
out
of
louisville.
It's
got
a
surrounding
counties,
the
satellites
and
in
all
there
are
more
than
80
of
our
100
and
now
17
certified
call
centers
that
are
part
of
some
type
of
regional
system,
so
those
will
be
cut
over
in
clusters.
So
with
all
of
our
projects,
we
do
them
in.
We
can
do
them
in
groups,
and
it
all
really
depends
also
on
what
vendor
we
end
up
going
with.
A
There
are
some
that
may
try
to
connect
these
existing
networks
together
to
form
a
network
of
networks,
and
there
are
other
solutions
that
are
out
of
the
box.
Statewide
solution
that
you
just
plug
in
and
are
good
to
go
once
your
your
data
is
validated.
So
all
that
to
say
it
could
go
many
different
ways.
Depending
on
the
proposals
we
get,
when
the
funding
is
on
hand
to
be
able
to
issue
the
rfp.
D
D
Okay
in
in
in
your
experience
from
the
point
that
where
we
are
now
to
the
point
that
where
we
will
be
ready
to
start
to
cut
in,
is
there
just
any
kind
of
timeline,
you
know
imagining
that
the
funding
does
appear
that
needs
to
appear.
Is
there
any
kind
of
timeline
that
we're
looking
at
and,
for
instance,
if
it
is
one
of
the
regional
areas
you
talked
about
or
the
whole
state?
A
Sure
it
feels
like
that,
on
the
one
hand
I
feel,
like
we've,
I
felt
confident
that
we've
made
more
progress
in
the
last
18
months
than
the
last
decade,
but
on
the
other
to
your
point,
we've
got
to
secure
the
funding.
First,
the
rfp
process
can
be
9
12
months
in
and
of
itself
in
this
last
2019
grant
that
was
announced
in
august
of
2019.
A
We
didn't
sign
contracts
until
march
and
june
of
2021..
Now
part
of
that
was
coveted.
Related
part
of
that
was
just
the
challenges
of
procurement.
Of
such
a
complex
project
that
had
was
really
cutting
edge
in
new,
because
we
were
charting
new
course,
but
assuming
that
the
the
contracts
is
in
place,
our
contracts
are
in
place.
A
It
could
be
what
18
to
24
months
is
a
typical
time
when
you
start
seeing
a
large
number
of
folks
cutting
over,
and
there
are
states
that
have
been
out
again
for
years,
who
might
still
have
one
or
two
counties
that
are
stubborn
holdovers,
that
just
can't
get
their
information
together
or
do
the
technology
or
cooperate
with
the
state
effort
to
get
them
onto
that
network.
So
some
states
have
are
are
more
easily
brought
along
the
path
we
have
part
of
the
legislation
that
we
passed
last
year.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
allowing
me
to
follow
up
that.
I
guess
I
came
up
with
another
question
and
as
we
talk
about
money
and
a
funding
mechanism,
for
you
know
next
gen
is
there
one-time
money?
What
time,
what
how
much
one-time
money
would
it
take
to
fund
this
project?
If
you
were
looking
for
one-time
money.
A
So
the
one-time
money
would
be
to
help
maintain
those
dual
systems
right
until
we
cut
people
over
to
the
full
system,
I
would
10
6
million.
So
that's
six
million
the
one-time
money,
but
then
because
it's
all
going
to
be
essentially
subscription
based
moving
forward
a
lot
of
it's
technology.
It's
gonna
there
will
be
that
ongoing
six
million
dollars
a
year.
A
So
you
know,
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
have
signed
no
new
tax
pledges
and
I
will
reiterate
that
this
is
a
surcharge
or
fee.
It
is
actually
we've
got
litigation
going
from
a
refund
claim,
from
a
provider
from
2003
to
2005
they're,
trying
to
get
some
refunded
fees
from
from
well
talk
about
a
generation
ago,
and
that
case
got
bounced
back
and
forth
jurisdictions.
A
A
So
of
the
mix
currently
of
the
35
million
that
was
brought
in
by
the
board
in
fiscal
year,
22
25
million
came
in
from
post
paid
those
monthly
rates
which
is
under
the
70
cents.
10
million
came
in
under
the
prepaid,
which
is
at
93
cents,
and
the
reason
that
the
the
prepaid
is
a
higher
amount
than
93
cents
per
transaction
versus
70
cents
a
month.
E
A
Got
the
map
off
by
one
nine
times
a
year?
93
cents
is
the
same
as
12
months
a
year
at
70
cents.
So
to
your
point,
sir,
so
based
on
that
25
million
70
cents
a
month,
currently
funds
that
we're
looking
at
probably
85
and
90
cents,
which
would
put
it
really
in
line
with
what
the
prepaid
fee
is.
It's
total
not
additional.
C
F
G
The
presentation
that
I
have
today
is
to
plant
the
seed
for
thoughts
of
allowing
veterans
to
assist
law
enforcement
when
it
comes
to
school
safety.
There
are
a
lot
of
benefits
I
believe,
to
this
number
one.
We
love
to
serve
and
oftentimes
when
veterans
transition
out
of
the
military
they're
looking
for
their
next
way
to
serve,
they
have
training
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
of
training
that
can
assist.
G
G
That's
going
to
leave
a
big
hole
in
the
in
the
public
school
system
there
I
think
veterans
could
fill
in
and
assist
whenever
appropriate,
but
also
institute
or
reinstitute.
I
should
say
patriotism
amongst
our
youth
and
to
show
youth
in
our
school
system,
that
being
a
service
member
is
attainable.
That
we're
not
invincible.
Just
like
our
friends
in
law
enforcement,
we
are
normal
people
who
just
decide
to
do
something
bigger
than
ourselves.
We're
going
to
need
these
next
generation
leaders
to
carry
the
torch.
G
Additionally,
I
think,
with
with
veterans
being
at
schools.
I
think
that
would
be
a
deterrent
for
some
of
these
instances
that
we
see
just
because
it
becomes
more
of
a
hard
target
right
now.
Schools
are
soft
targets,
it's
the
path
of
least
resistance,
and
I
think
you
know
having
someone
with
the
amount
of
training
that
we
receive
in
the
military,
along
with
our
partners
in
law
enforcement,
could
prevent
someone
from
coming
and
wanting
to
do
that.
G
Generally,
the
people
who
carry
out
these
heinous
acts
are
cowards
and
they
don't
do
it
because
they
want
the
fight
they
do
it,
because
it's
attention
seeking
and
mental
health
struggles
and
because
they,
because
it's
easy-
and
we
need
to
stop
doing
that
right,
because
what
we've
done
so
far
hasn't
been
effective.
When
you
look
at
uvaldi,
it
paints
a
grim
picture
of
how
easy
it
was
for
that
for
that
shooter
to
get
into
the
school.
G
We
can
do
this
without
making
it
look
like
fort
knox.
We
can
do
this
with
making
sure
that
only
certain
individuals
can
can
be
act.
Can
access
our
schools,
that
doors
are
locked
and
and
we're
not
propping
doors
open,
and
that
we're
you
know
we're
following
all
protocol
to
make
sure
that
those
who
are
in
the
school
need
to
be
in
the
school.
G
G
I
just
really
believe
that
there,
you
know
as
much
feedback
as
I've
received
and
we
serve
thousands
of
veterans
in
kentucky
and
beyond,
and-
and
we
talk
about
this
nationally,
have
have
called
in
and
wanted
to
see
how
they
can
help
they
want
to
be
a
part
of
it.
In
fact,
many
of
them
want
to
just
do
it
as
a
volunteer.
G
G
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear
that
there
will
have
to
be
these
processes
in
place
that
not
every
service
member
veteran
will
be
qualified
to
carry
this
out,
but
I
do
think
that
out
of
the
257
000
veterans
we
have
in
kentucky,
there
are
opportunities
there
to
support
our
brothers
in
blue
and
sisters
in
blue
by
making
sure
that
our
children
are
safe.
I
have
four
children
myself.
G
Veterans
are
trained
right
in
highly
stressful
situations.
Many
have
combat
experience.
We
have
been
trained
consistently
in
the
same
weapon
systems.
That's
often
used
in
these
shootings.
We
know
the
limitations,
we
know
the
capabilities,
we
know
how
to,
because
we
do
urban
urban
assault
training.
We
know
how
to
mitigate
some
of
these
occurrences
before
they
even
happen.
So
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
plant
the
seed.
I
understand
that
there
will
need
to
be
further
conversation.
G
Obviously
there
are
certain
laws
that
are
in
place
that
we'd
have
to
look
at,
but
I
do
want
to
plant
the
seed
and-
and
mainly
I
want
you
know
our
friends
in
law
enforcement
out
there
who
are
doing
this
every
day
to
know
that
they
do
have
another
group
of
individuals
who
are
protectors
who
want
to
come
alongside
and
help
any
way
possible.
So
I
just
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity.
G
G
The
first
conversation
I
know
that
there
will
have
to
be
many,
but
I
do
think
there's
added
benefit
for
transitioning
military
service
members
and
even
retired
law
enforcement
to
to
create
a
program
where
they
can
come
alongside
the
department
of
education
to
make
sure
that
our
kids
are
safe
and
our
teachers
are
safe
and
staff
are
safe,
alongside
of
our
friends
in
law
enforcement.
So
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
talk
about
that,
and
once
these
gentlemen
finish
to
my
right,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
those.
Thank
you
for.
E
G
Yeah,
I
mean
there's,
that's
that's,
definitely
a
necessity
to
be
trained
properly
to
do
this
job.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
to
create
something
that
would
cause
more
harm
than
good
and
you're
right.
Not
every
military,
occupational
specialty
will
have
the
right
amount
of
training
and
experience.
Specifically.
Military
police
is
what
was
first.
In
my
mind,
there
are
some
other
mosses
as
well,
but
definitely
all
necessary
training.
I
realized
that
there's
an
additional
120
hours
of
training
to
be
an
sro.
G
Even
when
you
are
pop
certified
and
a
law
enforcement
officer.
I
think
all
that
would
have
to
to
be
done
as
well,
but
we
just-
I
just
believe
that
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
to
utilize
the
hundreds
and
thousands
of
dollars
that
folks
in
the
military
have
have
been
trained
to
to
protect
the
people
that
we
hold
dear
our
future
leaders,
the
people
that
are
going
to
sit
in
your
seats
in
years
to
come.
G
It's
our
duty
to
continue
to
be
responsible
in
that
way
to
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
do
that
and
but
they're
able
to
do
it
and
thrive
in
an
environment
where
they
can
learn
how
to
do
these
things
without
worrying
about
the
safety
and
my
when
I
just
I'm
only
41
years
old,
but
I
remember,
being
a
child
and
school
was
one
of
the
safest
places.
I
could
be
oftentimes
it's
safer
than
the
homes
that
these
children
live
in,
and
so
we
want
to
continue
that.
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
your
service
and
I
just
had
a
question.
Have
you
talked
to
the
dlc
jt
about
any
additional
training
that
we
could
possibly
do
or
bring
on
board
with,
say,
veterans
that
are
going
to
be
volunteers,
but
that
they
would
be
able
to
offer
some
kind
of
training
through
their
program?
Have
you
discussed
that
with
any
of
them.
G
Yeah,
so
that
that
is
the
next
step
is
to
get
in
contact
with
the
folks
there
to
see.
If
there's
a
way
that
we
can
do
this,
where
they
can
be
certified
volunteers
I
mean
ultimately,
I
would
love,
for
you
know,
veterans
to
to
transition
into
law
enforcement.
I
think
that
would
be
a
a
great
transition,
but
but
not
not.
G
The
next
step
is
to
do
due
diligence
and
making
sure
we
talk
to
the
appropriate
people
at
dlcjt
to
make
sure
that
this
one
can
happen
and,
however,
we
can
make
it
happen,
but
make
it
be
beneficial,
not
create
a
further
issue
or
any
kind
of
burden,
but
to
see
if
we
can
just
you
know,
I'm
really
passionate
about
supporting
law
enforcement,
they've
been
through
so
much
over
the
last
few
years
and
just
and
then
what
we
just
heard
here
today.
You
know
there
are
some
there
are
some
vets
out
there
like
me.
F
H
We
do
thank
you,
sir.
This
is
I'm
james
mangles,
I'm
the
director
of
student
services
and
personnel
with
trigg
county
public
schools,
I'm
an
educator
of
33
years
who
had
a
conversation
with
representative
thomas
at
an
event,
and
now
I'm
ending
up
here.
Talking
to
representatives
and
and
senators
I
shared
and
willing
to
share
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
doing
at
trigg
county
for
quite
some
time
before
senate
bills
mandated
such
things.
H
We
have
evolved
as
a
school
district
that,
when
I
first
came
in
2006
of
this,
will
never
happen
in
rural
trigg
county
to
a
system
that
has
prepared
for
tragic
events
and
will
be
prepared,
and
we
will
continue
to
modify
our
practices
and
procedures
to
address
that
prior
to
house
bill
63
passing
we
had
an
sro
in
2018
in
a
collaborative
discussion
on
school
safety
that
involved
all
our
constituents.
We
made
a
commitment
as
a
school
district
to
have
a
second
sro.
Our
partnership
is
with
the
katy's
police.
H
H
H
We
are
unique,
we're
basically
five
schools
on
one
campus.
We
have
clarification
around
that
bill
and
a
little
bit
more
now,
one
sro
we
told
would
be
fine
because
it
was
per
campus.
Clarification
came
yesterday.
That
is
one
per
basically
per
building,
so
there
there's
another
expense
that
may
be
coming
along
to
get
to
that
four
sros
that
would
adequately
serve
our
district.
H
We
don't
receive
a
tremendous
amount
of
financial
support.
In
regards
to
that,
the
major
impact
is
on
our
general
fund.
We
receive
about
forty
three
thousand
dollars
in
safe
schools
and
another
ten
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
in
title
five
that
could
be
used
for
those
things,
but
we
take
school
safety
very
seriously.
H
H
H
We're
a
small
district,
approximately
18,
1900
students,
hopefully
open
borders,
will
have
increased
our
enrollment
for
this
upcoming
year,
but
I
know
that
if
I
had
to
respond,
I
know
what
I
can
do
with
our
emergency
procedures.
I
don't
know
if
how
well
I
would
react
to
a
student
bringing
a
weapon
onto
campus
and
actually
having
to
neutralize
that
situation.
H
I
I
I
appreciate
representing
mccool's
what
he
brought
up
about
the
pop
certification
and
it's
something
that
we
will
have
to
look
at,
and
I
have
a
piece
of
legislation
that
I
have
already
had
drafted
when
we
look
at
our
retired
police
officers
that
were
hired
before
1998
right
now.
Currently,
if
they
retire,
they
have
100
days
before
they
can
go
back
into
another
position.
I
He
they
could
not
complete
the
paperwork
here
in
frankfort
in
that
10
days,
so
I
am
going
to
expand
that
90
day
100
day
period
to
360
days.
A
65
days.
Excuse
me,
because
we
cannot
take
a
chance
of
losing
these
experienced
individuals
that
are
a
pop
certified,
knowing
that
we
need
to
have
these
sros
in
our
schools.
I
So
as
what
was
mentioned
earlier,
we
want
our
children
not
to
have
to
worry
about
that
situation,
about
whether
they're
going
to
make
it
home
come
home
that
evening
they
they
are
innocent
and
I
want
them
to
stay
innocent
as
long
as
possible.
But
once
again
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
being
here
and
look
forward
to
communicating
more
on
this
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you,
representative.
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
gentlemen
for
being
here
in
your
presentation.
Just
a
quick
question.
I
think
I
know
the
answer
this,
but
a
lot
of
the
the
naysayers
about
sros
being
in
schools,
and
there
are
some
out
there
they're
generally,
not
the
most
supportive
of
our
law
enforcement.
To
begin
with,
how
is
the
response
from
your
students
to
your
sros
in
your
school
system.
H
H
H
H
F
Thank
you.
I
figured
that
would
be
your
response,
but
I
wanted
to
go
on
record
because
they
are
those
that
oh,
we
don't
need.
You
know,
law
enforcement
or
schools.
It
will
scare
our
children.
You
know
one
of
the
worst
things
that
parents
do
to
their
children
when
it
comes
to
relationship
with
law
enforcement,
and
I
experienced
this
my
whole
career.
F
Oh
you,
better,
watch
out
you
better.
Do
this
or
you
better,
do
that
or
he'll
put
you
in
jail
and
parents,
and
I
know
they
do
it
innocently
sometimes
but
they're,
scaring
children
when
law
enforcement
should
be
the
people
they
lean
on
and
go
to
when
something
is
going
wrong.
I
knew
that
would
be
your
answer
but,
like
I
said,
I
wanted
it
to
go
on
record.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
sir.
J
J
I
stayed
in
guthrie
kentucky
for
two
years
and
then
I
moved
to
katie's
that
spring
of
1994.
I'm
going
to
shoot
forward
in
1999.
we
had
already
we
had.
We
were
just
a
small
town
police
department
of
six
people,
or
so
when
I
started
there,
we
slowly
threw
some
of
the
cops
grants
built
our
force
up
to
about
seven
and
then
1999
rolled
around
and
in
that
april
the
columbine
massacre
occurred.
Now,
remember
the
history
of
police.
J
We
wanted
to
know
where
our
nearest
swat
team
was,
and
we
had
about
a
30
minute,
wait
minimum
up
to
about
three
and
a
half
hours
before
a
swat
team
could
get
to
us.
We
decided
at
that
point
that
we'd
better
start
looking
for
training
options
for
the
officers,
so
that
we
could
start
handling
these
things
our
own
and
in
2000.
J
From
that
point,
we
have
provided
an
active,
shooter
training
course.
Every
year
since
2004.,
we
started
a
patrol
rifle
program
in
2001,
and
we
were
some
of
the
first
patrol
rifle
operators
that
we
that
we
had
that
were
in
small
town
police
departments.
One
of
the
biggest
problems
with
that
was
just
simply
the
idea
of
it.
Having
high
powered
rifles
in
a
school
situation
and
people,
not
understanding
ballistics,
didn't
consider
it
a
safe
option
and
we
had
to.
We
had
to
work
with
that
and
show
them
that
it
was
the
most
safe
option.
J
We
started
using
other
training
companies.
The
big
one
right
now
is
alert
advanced
law
enforcement,
rapid
reaction
training
there
are
based
out
of
texas
and
now
they've
become
the
federal
standard
for
active
shooter
training.
I
went
and
I
attended
alert
in
2004,
along
with
some
of
the
other
officers,
and
we
started
changing
our
tactics
again,
and
this
is
a
this
is
a
this
is
a
flow.
This
changes
constantly.
J
We
have
had
officers
that
have
gone
to
active,
shooter
training,
instructor
courses.
We
currently
have
officers
that
are
triple
c
or
combat
trauma
certified
instructors.
Also
in
in
in
the
in
the
department,
so
we've
we've
upgraded
our
training
over
the
last
20
years
to
ensure
that
not
only
are
our
officers
trained,
but
most
of
our
officers
are
trained
as
instructors
and
those
are
the
best
kind
you
can
get
the
ones
who
can
teach
others.
J
We
have
an
incredible
staff.
I
have
one
of
the
best
small
town
police
departments
in
kentucky,
I'm
absolutely
convinced
of
it
and
I'm
convinced
of
it
because
of
the
men
and
and
the
people
that
have
backed
us,
the
city
government
that
has
supported
us
and
the
school
system,
that's
willing
to
work
hand
in
hand
with
us,
some
of
the
things
that
we
see
right
now
that
are
going
on
well
we're
having
a
hard
time
getting
people
into
doc,
jt
for
classes.
J
I
think
that
comes
from
a
problem
with
the
workforce,
people
just
not
going
to
work.
I
think
that
has
something
to
do
with
funding
and
and
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
do
two
things.
We
need
to
see
funding
for
these
kind
of
programs
to
where
we
can
ensure
tred
county
is
the
lucky
ones,
we're
the
blessed
ones,
but
there
are
other
agencies
in
other
counties
that
don't
have
the
resources
that
we
have
and
that's
why,
when
we
do
a
training
we
offer
it
to
all
surrounding
counties.
J
They
don't
always
take
up
on
it,
because
some
of
those
agencies
are
five
person
agencies
with
three
people
working
and
someone
has
to
cover
the
street,
so
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
actually
send
their
people
to
our
training,
and
this
is
just
real
life.
This
is
just
the
way
it
is
in
small
town
kentucky,
which
makes
up
over
70
percent
of
the
law
enforcement
agencies
in
this
state.
10
men
in
less
so
we
have
to
remember
funding-
is
a
problem.
Training
is
a
problem.
J
That's
unacceptable!
That
needs
to
be
changed.
There
are
people
at
the
top
that
need
to
make
sure
that
that
happens,
and-
and
I
hope
that
our
our
ability
to
come
here
and
talk
with
you
a
little
bit
about
this-
opens
the
eyes
of
some
people
that
that
are
at
the
top
that
can
make
make
the
changes
that
need
to
be
made
doc.
Jtt
does
a
great
job.
J
I
have
to
say
honestly
that
most
of
the
things
that
I've
learned
about
both
being
a
street
cop
and
being
a
leader
in
a
police
department
came
from
their
staff
and-
and
I
have
to
say
honestly,
I
know
they're
capable
of
doing
it,
but
I
haven't
been
able
to
get
anyone
trained
in
active
shooter
instructor
in
a
very
long
time,
because
the
class
either
is
offered
once
or
twice
a
year
and
most
the
time
it's
filled
up.
You
can't
get
a
person
in
so
providing
those
kind
of
training
services
by
doc.
J
F
F
One
of
the
other
things
about
military
folks
is
they're
trained
from
day
one
to
have
a
security
mindset
to
pick
up
on
things
like
an
unlocked
door
which
we
saw
in
texas,
and
so
I
appreciate
everything
you're
doing
I
like
what
I'm
hearing
I've
seen
this
in
israel
and
matter
of
fact,
I've
seen
teachers
carrying
in
israel
and
again
it's
not
for
everyone.
It's
got
to
be
the
right
person
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing
with
the
right
training
right
skill
sets.
G
The
the
only
resistance
that
I've
heard
so
far
is
that
folks,
we're
concerned
about
veterans
with
ptsd
right
there's
this
misconception
that
every
veteran
walking
around
has
ptsd
when
really
it
only
affects
between
20
and
30
percent
of
all
veterans,
but
in
reality
there's
eight
million
people
every
year
that
develop
some
form
of
ptsd
because
we
don't
have
a
monopoly
over
trauma
and
everybody
goes
through
trauma.
But
once
once
we
broke
down
those
barriers
and
educated
folks,
which
this
all
is
about.
G
Educating
people,
they
start
to
recognize
that
you
know
what
that's
I
mean.
There's
there's
officers
in
departments
across
the
state
of
kentucky
that
probably
have
some
issues
with
trauma.
I
mean
we
just
we
just
met
some
this
morning.
That's
that's
the
nature
of
the
job,
unfortunately,
but
but
yeah.
So
that's
that's.
G
One
of
the
things
we
also
learn
in
the
military
is
preventive
measures.
We
want
to
prevent
this
from
happening.
My
hope
would
that
would
be
that
no
one
would
ever
have
to
do
this
in
kentucky,
but
the
truth,
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
is
we
need
to
be
ready
for
it
if
it
does
come,
and
so
you
know
the
other
misconception,
is
that
veterans
have
this
kind
of
reckless
mindset
of
just
wanting
to
you
know,
do
violence
that
that's
that's
really,
not!
G
G
G
B
K
Right
well,
first
of
all
guys
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
know
chief
wiggins
and
james
mangles
that
you
all
now
know
the
drive
it's
about
three
hours.
Three
and
a
half
hours
for
y'all,
probably-
and
I
appreciate
y'all
coming
about
be
careful
going
back
home
because
that's
when
you
kind
of
get
tired
there
so
but
appreciate
all
y'all
do.
This
is
a
discussion
that
I
thought
we
needed
and
appreciate.
K
Y'all's
input
in
it
and
and
we
will
keep
working
through
the
interim
and
hopefully,
maybe
even
legislation
coming
up
next
year.
I
did
want
to
mention
just
a
couple
things
and
chief
wiggins.
If,
if
so
and
I'm
gonna
have
jessica,
send
out
a
reminders
notice
to
committee
members,
he
mentioned
the
advanced
law
enforcement,
rapid
response,
training,
which
is,
let's
just
call.
It
alerts
a
little
easier
and
they're
actually
blessed
by
heaven
them
coming
to
katie's
on
december
19th
and
20th
and
december
21st
and
22nd.
K
So
there's
two
actually
separate
courses,
and
he
did
tell
me
that
it
would
be
okay
for
us
to
invite
anyone
that
wanted
to
come
down
and
kind
of
see.
What's
going
on
and-
and
you
know,
look
into
that
and
see
what
kind
of
training
that
these
men
and
women
are
getting
so
I'll
have
jessica
as
it
gets
a
little
closer.
K
I
know
it's
not
until
december
and
that's
around
christmas
there,
but
I'll
have
her
send
out
another
notice
if
there'd
be
any
centers
or
representatives
that
might
want
to
go
down
and
and
observe
that
the
other
thing
is
our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
august.
22Nd
a
lot
of
our
meetings
are
actually
going
to
be
at
the
fair
that
week
you
know
later
on
in
the
week.
K
So
what
it
did
is
it
freed
up
august
22nd,
where
there's
no
committee
meetings
later
on
after
lunch,
so
we
have
really
the
whole
day.
So
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
all
kind
of
preview
in
on
what
we're
doing
general
lamberton,
who
is
our
adjutant
general
for
the
boone
national
guard,
is
going
to
come
and
speak
for
about
30
to
45
minutes.
K
We
are
gonna,
actually
he's
gonna
line
up
some
little
vans
and
then
at
about
we're
gonna
start
the
meeting
at
nine
o'clock
instead
of
ten
just
give
us
a
little
extra
time,
but
we're
going
to
jump
on
some
of
these
little
vans
and
run
over
to
boone
national
guard
and
tour
there.
They
have
some
demonstrations
set
up
some
of
the
men
and
women
that
are
keeping
us
safe,
we'll
be
able
to
talk
to
might
even
be
an
opportunity
to
have
lunch
with
them
or
so,
but
we're
still
working
on
all
the
details.
K
We
will
hope
to
have
you
back
by
11
30.,
so
it
won't
be
it'll
actually
be
about
30
minutes
earlier
than
a
typical
meeting,
but
we'll
start
a
little
bit
earlier.
So
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
that's
going
to
be
august,
22nd
and
jessica,
and
we'll
get
all
that
information
out
and
everything.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
think
that's
all
I
have
I
was
stalling
for
representative
massey.
K
K
Sure
he
doesn't,
he
just
he's
texting
me
that
he's
trying
to
get.
He
even
sent
me
a
picture
of
capital
lab
and
that's
showing
where
he
is,
and
that
was
a
few
months
ago,
so
he
is
he's
trying
to
get
here.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
hold
the
meeting
open
for
just
a
sec
and
just
piss
out
everyone
else
or
look
at
him
there.
He
is,
I
think,
he's
trying
to
record
attendance.