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A
Morning,
welcome
to
the
interim
joint
committee
on
tourism,
small
business
and
information
technology.
This
is
our
second
meeting
of
the
interim
I
want
to.
Thank
everybody.
Excuse
me
first
meeting
for
the
interim
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
present
today.
If
you
do
have
a
cell
phone,
if
you
would
just
please
turn
that
to
silencer
vibrate.
As
we
begin
our
meeting
and
our
agenda
today
before
we
get
started,
I
do
want
to
announce.
We
have
two
new
analysts
that
are
assigned
to
this
committee.
A
Both
grad
fellows
working
for
lrc,
that's
Helen,
MacArthur
and
Eric
rodenberg
that
are
sitting
to
my
left
in
the
front
and
so
I
welcome
them
for
their
service
they'll
be
providing
to
the
committee
and
Sasha.
If
you
would,
please
call
the
roll.
B
B
B
C
B
C
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
John,
Hicks,
Secretary
of
the
governor's
cabinet
and
so
sort
of
back
and
forth
and
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
recent
background.
You
all
appropriated,
300
million
roughly
from
the
American
Rescue
plan,
act
toward
expanding
Broadband
across
Kentucky
to
unserved
and
underserved
areas
of
Kentucky.
So
last
summer
we
around
or.
D
Slowed
down
18
to
24
months
in
construction,
just
for
environmental
review
processes
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
those
aren't
important,
but
there
should
be
ways
that
we
can
streamline
some
of
those
processes
at
the
federal
level
and
then
finally
I'm
just
going
to
touch
on
these.
Are
these
are
very
high,
broad
issues
that
we're
talking
about
at
the
state
level
or
I'm,
sorry,
Federal
level
that
could
impact
even
beyond
what
we're
talking
about
with
bead
but
the
future
of
broadband
service.
D
Once
this
money's
out
there,
and
once
we
build
out,
how
do
we
sustain
these
networks?
What
do
we
do?
That's
the
future
of
universal
service
right
now,
each
and
every
one
of
you.
If
you
have
a
landline
or
a
cell
phone,
you
put
you'll,
see
a
note
on
your
bill.
I,
don't
even
know
how
many
people
look
at
their
bills
anymore,
but
you'll
see
one
that
says
Universal
service
fund
and
that
actually
goes
there.
D
There
are
four
programs
at
Universal
service,
actually
funds,
but
one
of
those
is
the
highest
cost
program
that
helps
deploy
at
reasonable
rates,
and
so
your
constituents
in
these
rural
areas
can
expect
telephony
service
and
broadband
service
at
a
reasonable
rate
compared
to
their
Urban
counterparts.
That's
funded
through
the
universal
service
program,
and
so
as
more
people
have
and
that's
paid
for
by
a
fee.
That's
assessed
on
bills,
from
telecommunication
providers
from
their
customers
and
so
for
Internet,
Interstate
and
International
in
user
revenues.
D
But
as
as
you
know,
landlines
are
going
away
as
more
and
more
people
will
drop
their
access
lines
that
contribution
Factor.
The
stress
on
the
budget
of
the
universal
service
fund
keeps
going
up,
and
so
what?
What
can
we
do?
As
at
the
federal
level
to
bring
in
more
people
that
may
not
be
contributing
to
the
universal
service
fund
that
there's
a
whole
debate
being
had
in
Congress
right
now
about
that
very
issue,
because
there
are
people
who
lay
their
platforms
on
top
of
our
networks
that
remit
absolutely
nothing
to
the
universal
service
fund.
D
So
those
questions
are
taking
place
right
now:
taxation
of
broadband
grants
all
these
Grant.
All
this
grant
money.
That's
out
there
right
now,
there's
policy
discussions
being
had
right
now,
right
now,
as
of
2017
as
an
offset
to
the
tax
cut
and
jobs
acts,
these
Broadband
grants
are
actually
being
taxed
and
so
you're
getting
these
Broadband
grants
and
then
you're
turning
around
and
paying
I
think
a
21
rate
back
to
the
treasury.
So
we're
supporting
efforts
at
the
federal
level
again
to
pull
this
back.
D
It
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
when
we're
trying
to
deploy
and
get
to
that
last
Mile
in
some
of
these
very
rural
areas
that
were
suddenly,
we
award
somebody
to
do
this
and
then
we're
turning
around
and
taking
21
of
that
back.
So
we're
supporting
efforts
at
that
level
and
then,
as
we've
just
stated,
there's
a
lot
of
priorities
that
will
be
debated
in
the
farm
bill.
D
A
lot
of
broadband
language
goes
through
the
USDA
and
the
farm
bill,
so
things
that
we've
talked
about
like
interagency
cooperation,
so
that
we
can
prevent
over
building
in
these
areas.
Streamlining
these
regulatory
programs
streamlining
these
programs,
whether
they're
speed
thresholds
that,
as
secretary
Hicks,
were
alluding
to
that
have
already
been
enacted
by
Congress
that
you
know
basically
make
mirroring
them
across
the
Spectrum.
A
D
C
So
represent
the
22nd
District,
which
is
Alan,
Simpson
and
portion
of
Warren
County,
yes,
and
I
do
have
North
Central
there
that
have
done
a
wonderful
job
and
went
over
into
Warren
County
and
helped
them,
and
then
we
had
ardoff
in
Simpson
County,
that
was
that
was
rewarded.
A
portion
of
that
area.
It
was
my
understanding
that
that
contract
prohibited
any
other
state
funding
from
being
awarded
in
those
areas
that
the
other
providers
could
go
in
there,
but
they
couldn't
ask
for
any
other
state
funding.
They
were
kind
of
blocked
out
from
those
areas.
G
Yeah
stirring
the
initial
proposal,
we
have
to
do
our
State
Challenge
process,
and
that
includes
what
the
ntia
is
calling
the
deduplication
of
previously
funded
areas
so
any
place
that
has
an
ardoff
commitment
or
a
reconnect
loan
or
a
grant
or
any
other
Federal
funding.
We
have
to
remove
from
consideration
and
eligibility.
C
And
so
just
to
follow
up
with
that
just
a
second
was
you
know
that
10-year
build-out
period
just
really
gives
a
lot
of
residents.
Some
heartburn
I,
guess
saying
now:
we're
blocked
out
from
any
other
any
other
Grant
and
I
understand
that
that,
once
you
have
an
area
that
has
grant
money
that
you
don't
want
to
really
keep
duplicating
that,
but
we
necessarily
want
to
go
back
and
make
sure
if
you've
got
a
child,
that's
in
first
or
second
grade
and
you're
10
years.
C
Getting
this
and
I
know
there's
percentages
that
they
have
to
build
out
to
pretty
quick
and
in
Simpson
County.
Luckily
they
took
this
on
real
early
and
I.
Think
they're
going
to
be
fully
built
out,
probably
within
the
next
year
or
so
so
once
they
get
in
an
area,
they're
probably
going
to
stay
there
until
they
finish,
but
it
was
just
a
little
bit
concerning
about
once
you
get
there,
you've
blocked
any
any
other
monies
from
coming
in
out
of
that.
D
But
I
will
say:
representative,
McPherson
and
I
didn't
want
to
speak
because
I
know
they're
they're
issuing
continual
NTA
guidelines
on
this,
but
I
will
say
that
is
pretty
consistent
with
other
programs
they're
that
they
are
trying
to
stop.
You
know
again
they're
wanting
to
maximize
dollars
into
you
know
to
new
areas
as
much
as
possible
and
extend
Broadband
employment
as
much.
That
is
pretty
consistent,
though,
with
other
Federal
programs
and.
A
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
third
I
wanted
to
refer
back
to
something
you
mentioned
when
you
were
talking
about
the
smart
rural
communities
about
50
percent
subscription
rate.
What
happens
if
that
isn't
met
in
a
particular
area
and
are
you
concerned
about
any
specifications?
Does
that
not
matter
no.
D
I
mean
I
will
say,
this
is
something
that
our
our
members
are
doing
within
our
National
Association.
So
it's
a
specific
marketing
program,
most
of
the
folks
that
are
either
looking
at
this
or
examining
you
know
what
those
take
rates
are
most
of
the
people
that
that
are
in
our
areas,
they're,
pretty
confident
if
they're
going
through
the
process
of
that
program
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
meet
that
threshold.
So
you
know
it's
like
everything
else.
We
aggressively
market
and
I
will
say
and
I'm
proud
to
do
this.
D
We
have
some
of
the
fastest
speeds
in
in
the
you
know,
throughout
any
community
in
some
of
these
very
rural
communities
that
our
that
our
members
represent
so
I
mean
when
I
say
we
have
gigabit
symmetrical
speeds.
We
really
do
so.
A
lot
of
people
want
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
that,
and
so
that-
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
you
know
we're
being
these
programs-
are-
have
been
successful.
D
They
visited
Keeneland
and
horses
and
love
area,
but
they
wanted
to
live
in
in
Eastern,
Eastern
Kentucky
county,
just
you
know
again
cost
of
living
and
they
found
out.
They
had
Broadband
access
in
these
rural
areas
from
one
of
our
members
and
they're.
Looking
to
locate
here
from
New
Jersey,
so
I
hear
anecdotal
stories
like
that.
All
the
time.
Okay.
H
D
No,
our
no
our
members,
if
they're
again-
and
these
are
a
lot
of
our
folks
that
take
advantage
of
this-
some
are
small
commercial
companies
that
are
members
of
the
National
Association,
but
again
for
our
member
co-ops,
if
they're
a
member
there,
and
they
want
the
service
they're
going
to
find
a
way
to
build
out
to
them.
Most
of
the
time
now,
I
will
say
it's
like
everything
else.
If
they
haven't
had
Fiber
service
there,
it
takes
time
to
cut
over
into
to
a
fiber
Network.
H
And
then
your
Workforce,
your
I,
want
to
understand
specifically
what
the
positions
are
so
GIS
software.
It.
D
Could
be
I,
I'll,
honestly
say
right
now,
the
one
of
the
biggest
issues
that
we
have
is
just
getting
the
experience
and
number
of
contractors
for
construction
type,
Services
again
these
build-outs,
because
again
we're
building
out
in
these
areas
and
we're
trying
to
be
an
aggressive
timeline
like
we
want
to
meet
the
timelines
to
get
the
service
out
there
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
our
members.
In
order
to
you
know,
in
order
to
do
that,
you
know
I'd,
say
pre-pandemic,
you
would
have
you
know
multiple
contractors
bid
on
on
a
job.
D
But
now
we
may
only
get
one
contractor
and
then
that
bids
on
that
job
and
then
it's
not
only
that.
But
if
there's
subsequent
phases
of
that
same
project
keeping
the
contractor
there
when
you
have
them,
because
they're
obviously
they're
being
stretched
out
and
being
stretched
in
as
well.
Because
again
so
much
of
this
money
is
being
injected
into
the
system.
And
this
is
before
beat
even
takes
place.
E
Thank
you
question
I'm,
looking
further
down
the
road
in
this
project
and
what
I'm
curious
about
is
a
couple
of
things.
What
does
the
communication
process
look
like
to
Residents?
So,
all
of
a
sudden,
this
becomes
available
in
these
communities
that
have
had
nothing.
E
A
lot
of
these
communities
potentially
are
rule
they're,
lower
income,
I'm
curious
about
what
what
that
looks
like
as
far
as
making
sure
that
people
know
once
it
is
available,
what
steps
in
order
to
apply
to
become
eligible
to
get
that
discounted,
right,
credit
and
and
two
so
a
two-part
question.
E
I
guess
and
that's
if
you
have
the
ability
to
speak
on
this
because
I
understand
this
is
a
little
bit
further
down
the
road,
but
I
worry
about
when
for
folks
who
are
in
low-income
areas,
you're
also
typically
dealing
with
individuals
who
are
unbanked.
They
might
not
have
credit
card
access
things
of
that
nature,
so
I
think
about
you,
know:
I've
got
a
credit
card
connected
to
my
internet
and
it
just
gets
billed
over.
G
Okay,
so
for
the
affordable
connectivity
program
that
that's
the
subsidy
program,
that
is
something
that
the
internet
providers
can
help
them
apply
for
to
to
show
up
as
a
credit
on
on
their
on
their
bill.
G
There's
also,
a
lot
of
the
providers
offer
their
own
affordability
program
a
discount
program
in
order
to
to
address
some
of
those,
but
as
far
as
the
the
billing
I
mean
I
think
that
works
like
the
same
as
any
other
utility
billing,
whether
it's
you
know
they
pay
with
check
or
drop
off
cash
or
whatever
in
the
office
and.
D
I
will
say
for
the
affordable
connectivity
program,
our
marketing
departments
for
most
of
our
members
are,
you
know,
they're
doing
bill
in
search,
they're,
doing
they're
doing
advertisements
I
was
speaking
to
a
group,
the
source
shaping
our
Appalachian
region,
board,
meeting
executive
committee
meeting
just
a
week
ago.
D
They
they
were
down
there
talking
amongst
the
judge,
Executives
that
are
a
part
of
that
group
and
those
those
individuals
in
Eastern
Kentucky
about
their
ability
to
advertise
to
their
constituents
in
their
areas,
so
they're,
making
that
a
part
of
a
plan
that
they
have
I
think
they
are
actually
were
pursuing
an
FCC
Outreach
Grant.
So
there
are,
there
are
things
that
communities
are
doing
to
stay
engaged,
I
mean
obviously
soar
for
an
example.
D
That's
a
54
County
region,
so
they're
going
to
be
trying
to
do
secure
an
Outreach
Grant
in
order
to
help
them
advertise
for
ACP,
which
would
help
provide
this
subsidy
for
those
and
make
people
aware
of
that.
So
it's
again,
it's
part
of
the
it's
probably
a
two-part
answer.
One
we're
doing
this
internally,
also
as
part
of
the
the
state's
digital
Equity
plan.
I.
Think
there's
going
to
be
conversations
about
how
to
advertise
and
make
sure
people
know
that
these
services
are
available.
A
Tell
her
I'm
gonna,
give
you
a
break
John
I'm,
going
to
let
you
proceed.
I
know
we're
losing
a
few
members
of
other
commitments.
So
your
discretion,
please
proceed.
I
I
Previous
to
my
tenure
at
ACA
connects
I
worked
right
here
in
Frankfurt
for
the
Frankfurt
plant
board
for
25
long
years
and
retired
in
2017,
and
my
wife
and
I
reside
in
Mount
Sterling
ACA
connects
members
provide
affordable,
basic
and
Advanced
Services
to
more
than
23
million
households
in
the
United
States
ACA
connects
members
operate
in
every
state,
offering
Next
Generation
internet
access,
video
and
digital
phone
service.
I
J
I
That
are
with
with
Tyler
family-owned
companies,
Electric
Cooperative
municipalities
and
private
Equity
members.
I
want
to
touch
on
some
national
Trends
in
Broadband,
develop
it
over
the
next
couple
of
minutes.
The
first
is
competition.
Last
year,
ACA
connects
released
the
study
analyzing
the
state
of
competition
in
the
fixed
Broadband
Marketplace.
We
found
that
competition
is
thriving
and
will
become
only
more
intense
in
the
near
future.
I
Specifically,
the
vast
majority
of
U.S
households
either
already
have
or
will
soon
have
access
to
at
least
two
providers
of
fast
and
reliable,
fixed
broadband
service,
5G,
fixed
Wireless
and
other
Technologies
are
providing
additional
competitive
options
in
any
consideration
of
whether
additional
or
more
intrusive
Broadband
regulation
is
necessary
to
protect.
Consumers
is
I.
D
J
Brief
follow-up
I
mean,
but
maybe
in
certain
areas
say
if
we
only
had
to
reach
two
homes
that
may
be
out
there,
that
might
cost
say
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
get
out
there,
but
it
might
not
be
maybe
a
more
economical
thing
if
we
provided
a
similar
subsidy
to
get
something
like
an
individual
link
up
for
these
houses,
rather
than
spending
all
that
money
to
get
out
there.
I.
I
Mean
that's
built
into
bead
it's
fiber
first,
but
in
those
instances
where
it's
seven
more
miles
down
that
road
to
that.
Next
to
that
next
home
there
are
alternative
technologies
that
can
be
deployed,
but
you
know,
as
as
we
understand
the
study
as
we've
studied
it
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
specific
to
Kentucky.
We
think
there's
going
to
be
enough
money,
that's
going
to
flow
to
this
state
you're
going
to
be
able
to
touch
fiber
optics
to
every
household
that
is
unserved
and
underserved.
J
That
203
000
today
well
there
may
be
enough
money
coming,
but
that
might
not
be
the
most
efficient
allocation
of
that
money.
I
mean
clearly
I
think
that
representative
McPherson
talked
about
other
areas
that
perhaps
need
an
upgrade
to
get
their
maximum
potential
that
might
serve
more
customers
will
be
be
better
off.
I
Yeah
I
think
those
are
going
to
be
individual
decisions,
I
I,
honestly,
I,
don't
know
the
B
program
as
well
as
Megan
does
to
be
quite
honest
with
you.
Are
there
limitations
within
bead
what
you
can
do
with
the
money
once
it's
awarded
I,
don't
know
the
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
the
questions.
G
So
you
know
like
somewhere
in
the
middle
and-
and
we
have
some
some
ways
to
to
measure
that
we
have
some.
You
know
past
experience
on
what
the
you
know.
Average
cost
per
location
is
on
our
grants,
we've
issued
and
then
some
cost
modeling
data,
that's
forthcoming
from
from
the
cost
Quest
that
has
produced
the
FCC
Maps.
So
we're
those
are
things
we're
evaluating.