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A
A
And
we
thank
you
all
for
coming.
We
don't
have
a
quorum
to
approve
the
minutes
from
last
meeting,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
on
into
the
agenda.
We
have
today
with
representatives
from
the
energy
and
environment
cabinet,
and
if
you
want
to
step
on
up
to
the
table
they'll
be
presenting
today
on
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
act,
Federal
funding
that
their
cabinet
has
received
and
appreciate
y'all
coming
in
today
and
giving
us
an
update
and
once
you
get
settled
in
we'll,
raise
your
right
hand
and
be
sworn
if
you're
ready.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
Rebecca,
Goodman,
Secretary
of
the
energy
and
environment
cabinet
and
I
have
with
me
today
two
of
my
All-Stars,
who
are
going
to
tell
you
how
they're
spending
a
big
pot
of
money
we
have
director.
D
C
You
so
we're
going
to
talk
today
about
some
bipartisan
infrastructure
monies
that
are
coming
into
the
cabinet.
C
These
these
dollars
are
all
going
into
existing
programs,
and
so
we
have
had
to
scramble
a
little
bit
it's
hard
to
spend
a
whole
lot
of
money
when
you're
not
used
to
a
whole
lot
of
money,
and
we've
done
a
bit
of
reorganizing
and
some
things
that
have
enabled
us
to
put
some
teams
in
place
to
handle
this.
We're
going
to
talk
about
a
hundred
and
four
million
dollars
coming
into
the
cabinet.
For
this
fiscal
year
there
will
be
99
million
in
the
next
fiscal
year
in
programs.
G
E
You
again,
my
name
is
Dennis
Hatfield.
The
director
of
division
of
oil
and
gas
is
is
somewhat
introduction.
The
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
was
passed
in
November
of
2021
and
it
authorized
among
many
other
things,
expenditures
set
aside
for
federal
grants
for
plugging
of
Orphan
whales
that
would
be
made
available
to
states
by
application,
and
three
types
of
Grants
were
identified.
Only
one
to
this
date
has
been
presented
as
available
to
States.
So
in
your
first
note
there,
the
department
of
interior
provided
availability
for
a
25
million
dollar
initial
grant.
E
That
states
could
apply
for
and
Kentucky
did
along
with
22
other
states
and
we
were
awarded
and
we
received
that
Grant
officially
on
August,
the
25th
of
2022.,
a
constraint
and
complication
to
that
Grant
was
that
the
the
ACT
required
that
we
obligate
90
of
that
25
million
dollar
Grant
within
90
days,
obligate,
not
necessarily
spend
but
obligate
contracted
out,
and
we
had
within
one
year
to
obligate
100
percent.
E
So
the
grant
did
identify
the
activities
that
we
were
eligible
to
use
it
for,
for
basically
plugging
remediation
and
Reclamation
of
orphaned
oil
and
gas,
Wells
and
facilities,
and,
as
most
of
you
probably
know,
orphan
Wells
are
basically
whales
that
have
no
responsible
party
they're,
either
pre-law
or
abandoned
at
some
stage,
and
no
no
responsible
operator
available
to
plug
those.
E
So
orphan
Wills
became
the
target
of
our
work
to
accomplish
the
90
mandate
that
the
department
of
interior
required
our
division
assembled
in
total
42
orphan,
well,
plugging
rfps,
request
for
proposal
in
through
the
office
of
the
finance
cabinet,
the
DECA
office,
and
we
those
42
rfps
covered
26
counties
in
Kentucky
and
in
total
they
contracted
to
plug
638
orphan
Wells.
That
was
a
pretty
tall
lift
to
accomplish
within
90
days.
E
The
good
news
is
that
seven
of
those
nine
companies
that
are
awarded
contracts
are
local
to
Kentucky.
There
was
a
big
concern
when
the
the
grant
first
became
in
discussion
that
larger
the
larger
corporations
would
overwhelm
the
process
and
the
smaller
contractors
wouldn't
have
an
opportunity.
So
we
were
very
pleased
to
see
that
of
the
contracts
awarded
today.
Seven
of
the
nine
companies
that
have
contracts
are
local
to
Kentucky
and
seven
of
their
nine
subcontractors
are
local
to
Kentucky.
So
that's
a
big
win
for
us.
E
We
think
that
that
brings
jobs
to
the
state
and
it
helps
people.
You
know
that
can
do
the
most
benefit
for
for
our
area
and
to
date,
as
of
the
first
week
of
February,
the
Kentucky
division
of
oil
and
gas
has
plugged
328
orphan
well
sites
in
15
Kentucky
counties
using
the
department
of
interior,
initial
Grant
and
expended
teachers
to
date
are
shown
as
8.3
million
dollars.
Our
next
step
in
the
process
will
be
to
apply
for
other
grants
as
they
come
available.
E
We
do
have
a
couple
of
slides
that
show
the
contracts
awarded
to
date.
You
can
see
basically
from
east
to
west.
We
tried
to
hit
as
many
impacted
areas
as
possible.
There's
there
are
higher
density
areas
of
Orphan
Wells
across
the
Commonwealth
heavily
focused
in
the
in
the
East
Central,
the
big
leaking
areas.
We
call
it
South,
Central
and
West.
E
Actually,
through
this
week,
we
have
plugged
in
those
15
counties
that
are
identified,
we've
actually
accomplished
plugging
activity
and
in
some
of
them
they're
the
work
continues
around
conditions
are
kind
of
wet
right
now,
but
the
work
continues,
but
we
have
accomplished
work
in
those
counties
and
I
believe
the
next
slide
provides
a
summary
of
Orphan
Well's
plug
to
date,
and
you
can
see
by
County
the
number
of
Orphan
whales
that
have
been
plugged
at
this
point
and
in
total,
coming
to
336
whales
that
have
been
accomplished
and
plugged
which
will
benefit
the
environment,
the
communities
it's
from
farmlands
to
Woodlands
to
communities
it's
all
across
our
Commonwealth.
F
A
good
good
afternoon,
Justin
Adams
the
division
of
abandoned
milance
director
there.
The
division
of
abandoned
mine
lands
is
an
established
division
within
the
Commonwealth
we've
been
for
about
the
last
40
years.
Doing
a
Reclamation
and
abatement
projects
on
historic
mining
hazards
across
the
eastern
and
western
coal
fields
of
the
Commonwealth
part
of
the
bill
or
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
legislation
award
that
the
division
of
abandoned
mine
lands
received,
was
and
included
74.253
million
dollars
annually.
F
That's
significant
in
that
the
division
typically
receives
about
nine
million
dollars
in
our
award,
and
so
it's
a
magnitude
of
increase
and
award
funding
for
us
for
the
division
of
abandoned
mine
lands,
eligible
sites
or
sites
that
have
been
mined
prior
to
May,
the
18th,
1982
and
so
lots
of
times.
Folks
may
consider
abandoned
mine
sites
and
they
think
about
perhaps
some
of
the
larger
sites
that
they've
seen
mountain
top
removal
jobs,
particularly
in
the
East.
F
Those
sites
sometimes
are
not
eligible
for
our
program
because
of
their
date
in
mining,
and
so
historic
mining
sites
is
really
what
our
divisions
is
tasked
with
with
reclaiming,
and
so
this
award
notice
we
received
on
October
the
19th
We've.
The
way
this
award
works
is
it's
74.25
million
dollars
every
year
for
the
next
15
years.
Each
year
we
have
a
five-year
window
to
expend
that
funding
and
then
there's
a
potentially
a
an
award
extension
of
one
year
for
each
Grant.
F
So
technically
it's
15
years
of
funding
with
five
years
to
finish
out
the
last
year.
So
it's
a
20-year
program
because
we
didn't
start
until
October.
At
this
point,
we've
expended
only
about
1.7
million
dollars,
but
we
do
have
a
host
of
projects
lined
up
across
the
Commonwealth
right
now.
Our
team
has
about
eight
sites
that
are
currently
under
bid
that
range
in
prices
from
five
or
50
thousand
dollars
to
3.5
million
dollars.
F
As
far
as
our
estimates
are
concerned,
and
so
we
have
a
plethora
of
work
and
a
variety
of
sizes
across
a
number
of
counties.
The
the
actual
known
abandoned
mine
lands
inventory
across
the
Commonwealth.
We
estimate
at
about
900
million
dollars
and
that's
an
estimate
based
on
what
we
know:
the
division,
Garners
information
from
citizens,
there's
no
true
record
of
where
old
sites
were
mined
at
people.
Just
call
us
and
say:
hey.
We
have
this
site,
we
think
is
potentially
a
historic
mine
site.
We
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
it.
F
That's
that's
the
way
that
we
know
what's
out
there
so
of
the
information
that
we
already
have
categorized.
That's
in
the
eamless
system.
At
the
federal
level,
information
is
all
provided
to
us
by
the
citizens.
Typically,
those
problems
are
landslides.
Drainage
problems,
open
mind
portals
coal
refuse
piles,
particularly
in
the
east.
In
the
west,
we
see
a
lot
of
underground
mine,
subsidence
and
acid
mine
drainage
problems
where
Underground
supplies
have
been
impacted.
F
For
what
excuse
me
where
groundwater
supplies
have
been
impacted,
those
sites
are
potentially
eligible
for
the
water
supply
replacement
program
that
the
division
implements
and
we've
been
doing
so
for
years,
both
in
the
East
and
the
West
to
supply
potable
water
to
Citizens
that
have
been
impacted
by
historic
mining.
This
funding
can
be
utilized
for
that
as
well.
F
Finally,
as
part
of
the
overall
encouragements
issued
to
us
by
the
office
of
surface
mining,
this
is
in
addition
to
the
requirements
that
govern
this
particular
pot
of
funding,
which
are
delineated
in
smackera.
The
additional
encouraged
guidelines
that
we
have
include
aggregation
of
bids
into
larger
projects
at
the
state
and
the
regional
level,
something
we're
working
toward.
F
It
encourages
the
support
of
pre-apprenticeship
and
apprenticeship
programs,
the
incorporation
of
input
from
disadvantaged
communities,
of
course,
in
the
East
and
the
West
disadvantaged
communities
are
predominant,
especially
in
the
coal
fields,
which
have
been
impacted
by
the
downturn
in
the
coal
economy,
and
it
encourages
engagement,
the
public
and
their
input
on
Project
identification.
That's
in
essence
what
the
division
does
to
begin
with,
particularly
when
these
encouragements
in
in
consideration
of
these
encouragements
the
aggregation
of
projects,
we're
looking
at
some
larger
Community
level
projects
we
like
to
call
them
are
getting
ready
to
implement.
F
For
example,
Providence
and
Webster
County
you
may
be
familiar
with.
Providence
has
a
lot
of
subsidences
issues
out.
There.
They've
got
several
sites
that
have
been
recognized
in
the
media
because
they've
impacted
businesses
and
the
sites,
and
so
we
plan
to
implement
a
very
large
project
in
communities
like
Providence
to
help
kind
of
address
everything
that
we
can
find
that's
eligible.
Typically,
our
division
has
been
more
reactionary
and
we
hope
to
be
proactive
with
this
money.
C
Excellent,
so
the
next
program
is
our
forestry
program.
There
are
three
three
pots
of
money
there.
We
have
the
community
Wildfire
defense
Grant,
which
is
to
help
communities
plan
and
mitigate
against
the
risk
of
wildfire.
That's
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
that
particular
program.
The
volunteer
fire
assistance
is
to
assist
volunteer
fire
departments,
providing
grants
for
training
and
equipment
that
has
about
66
thousand
dollars.
C
The
State
Fire
response
assistance
is
for
our
Technical
Training
and
to
purchase
and
maintain
the
firefighting
equipment
that
we
have
and
to
allow
us
to
do
some
fire
management
planning
and
expended.
You
see
a
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eighty
eight
dollars
so
we're
just
getting
started.
We
just
got
that
money
February
the
Third.
C
C
The
eligible
activities
to
spend
the
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
would
be
to
provide,
grant
writing
assistance,
which
we
do
frequently
to
local
communities,
capacity,
development,
Redevelopment
guidance
to
identify
environmental
justice
communities
for
enhanced
Outreach
and
assistance,
and
to
build
out
our
GIS
capabilities
to
assist
communities
in
tracking
their
progress.
We've
spent
seventy
thousand
seven
hundred
and
eighty
eight
dollars
in
that
program
right
now,
prior
to
actually
receiving
the
award,
but
those
were
approved.
C
The
next
one
is
the
gulf
hypoxia
program
which
received
1.7
million
dollars
on
January
18th.
They
have
five
years
to
spend
this
money.
This
will
go
to
fund
our
staff
to
deploy
and
manage
nutrient
reduction
strategy
efforts
and
to
assist
Farmers
with
their
nutrient
management
plans.
We
develop
training
tools
for
Wastewater
and
Municipal
storm
water
managers
that
improve
the
nutrient
treatment
efficiency
and
we
fund
additional
conservation,
bmps
best
management
practices
through
the
state
cost
share
and
fund
additional
U.S
Geological
Survey
flow
gauges
to
improve
nutrient
monitoring
spent
about
8
892
dollars.
C
The
last
category
is
one
for
which
we
have
not
received
our
actual
Grant
Awards.
Yet
these
are
all
energy
program
fundings
that
go
into
our
office
of
energy
policy.
We
have
the
state
energy
program,
the
Energy
Efficiency
block,
grant
program,
the
Energy
Efficiency
revolving
loan
capitalization
award,
and
we
are
still
dealing
with
the
U.S
department
of
energy,
who
continually
is
issuing
guidance
that
changes
a
little
bit
every
time.
We
see
it
so
we're
not
really
sure
exactly
what
we're
going
to
have
to
do
to
get
this
money.
C
G
There
it
goes
thanks
guys
for
being
here
a
lot
of
information
there
I'm
brand
new
to
this,
but
it
looks
like
the
the
biggest
funds
are
in
mine.
Reclamation
is
that
is.
G
F
To
address
that's
correct:
okay,
historically,
the
division's
been
collecting
data
about
abandoned
mine
sites
across
the
Commonwealth
for
40
years,
and
so
we
have
an
inventory
that
has
about
3
200
sites
that
we
know
of
and
our
estimated
reclamations
around
9
million
989
million
dollars,
and
that's
probably
conservative.
G
Okay,
and
do
you
foresee
a
huge
challenge
or
problem
with
spending
that
money
that's
available
or.
F
A
Just
a
couple
questions
on
that
Mr
Adams
so
is
this:
is
this
the
money
that
includes
like
if
there
was
an
old,
what
we
call
Wildcat
mining
back
in
the
mountains
years
ago,
where
people
just
went
in
set
up
took,
took
what
coal
they
could
get
and
left
yeah.
That's
is
that
does
that
apply
to
those
Minds
as
long
as
they
were
before
1982.
F
Historic
mining
prior
tonight,
May
the
18th
1982,
that's
correct!
So
you
know
unlicensed
mining
before
smack
Rob
Allison.
All
mining
was
unlicensed
so
right,
but
but
anything
after
that
point,
if,
if
it
was
wildcatting,
it
wouldn't
be
eligible.
Okay,.
A
F
Have
a
list
of
what
we
do.
We
have
a
list
of
those
3
000
plus
sites
and
actually
it's
available
online
at
eamless
from
osmres
website.
We're
required
to
report
all
that
federally
and
they
aggregate
the
data
there
nationally.
So
you
can
go
to
osmre's
website
and
just
look
at
the
eamless
listing
there
and
it'll.
You
can
drill
right
down
to
the
county
and
look
at
the
individual
sites.
Okay
and.
F
The
osmre
requires
us
to
prioritize
prioritize
sites
as
categories
one,
two
or
three.
We
call
them
P1,
P2
and
P3,
so
P1
sites
are
sites
that
are
impacting
people's
homes
and
their
livelihood,
P2
or
sites
that
are
impacting
their
property.
Mp3
are
sites
that
are
just
impacting
the
general
environment
and
so,
for
example,
considering
the
the
mountains
in
the
East
slide.
That's
in
the
back
of
somebody's
home
that
would
be
eligible.
F
A
And
if
so,
if,
if,
if
a
person
has
a
slide
that
comes
in
there
or
the
Mountain's
starting
to
shift,
so
they
call
the
AML
office
the
local
office,
they
go
out
there,
they
test
the
water
to
see.
If
that
water
is
draining
from
a
from
an
abandoned
mine,
they
do
their
report,
send
it
to
you
here
in
Frankfurt,
and
then
you
all
decide
where
that
goes
on
the
list
of
priority
to
be
fixed
or
not.
Assuming.
F
Yeah
that
that's
correct,
so
we
do
use
water
testing.
We
also
just
use
physical
evidence.
Sometimes
it's
just
obvious.
You
know.
If
there's
a
mine
entry,
a
slide
might
appear
and
reveal
an
old
work,
a
mine
works,
and
so,
if
we
don't
have
any
documentation
of
recent
mining,
it's
pretty
good
estimate
to
say:
okay,
that's
probably
historic
mining.
We
can
take
a
look
at
the
techniques
that
were
used
in
the
mining
to
determine
the
age
of
the
mind,
sometimes
and
so
yeah
after
Gathering
as
much
data
as
we
can.
F
A
Anybody
else
all
right,
I,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
Thank
you
for
coming
by
and
giving
us
an
update
and
if
you
could
shoot
me
that
just
shoot
me
an
email
with
that
side
on
it,
yeah
I'll
be
happy
to
so.
I
can
go
back
and
look
on.
Look
at
it.
One
more
question:
how
many
counties
in
Kentucky
does
the
AML
money
go?
How
many
counties
in
Kentucky
do
we
have
abandoned
mines?
Well,.
F
So
that's
a
that's
a
good
question,
as
as
far
as
the
number
of
counties
that
we
have
identified,
it's
well
over
28,
but
but
we
look
at
reports
from
All
Counties,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
counties
that
border
the
edges
of
the
coal
Fields,
as
we
know
them
that
still
have
historic
mining
in
them
and
those
sites
aren't
documented.
And
so
just
because
someone
calls
from
a
county,
we
typically
wouldn't
consider
a
coal
mining.
County
doesn't
mean
we
don't
respond.