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A
Of
the
eighth
meeting
of
house
state
government
committee,
I
want
to
remind
everybody
to
silence
their
cell
phones
and,
if
nobody's
online,
so
I
don't
have
to
tell
them
to
mute.
But
if
you're
here
just
silence
your
cell
phones,
anybody
wishes
to
speak
should
have
signed
up
so
sign
up
at
the
desk.
If
you
wish
to
speak
on
any
matter,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
A
C
A
Here
we
have
a
quorum
that
are
duly
constituted
to
meet.
I'm
going
to
ask
representative
hevron
if
she'd
like
to
introduce
her
guest.
D
I
would
thank
you
so
much
chairman
today.
I
have
emma
watt
she's,
my
personal
page
for
the
day
and
on
the
floor
this
afternoon.
Emma
watts
is
a
fourth
grader
here
in
frankfort
at
good
shepherd
right,
good,
shepherd,
yeah,
and
she
is
the
daughter
of
ryan
and
ashley
watts.
So
super
excited
to
have
her
here
today
with
me.
A
Love
the
green
love,
the
green
outfit
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
senate
bill
88.,
sponsored
by
president
pro
tim
gibbons.
So
welcome
senator
and
tell
us
what
what
we
need
to
know
about
your
bill.
E
E
This
is
companion
legislation
to
the
speakers
constitutional
amendment
last
year
in
house
bill
4,
and
this
provides
some
framework,
as
we
have
voters
going
to
the
polls
in
november
to
take
a
look
at
the
constitutional
amendment.
I
said
last
year
and
I'll
say
again
in
my
time
in
the
legislature,
the
work
I've
had
the
chance
to
do
on
this
legislation
in
companion,
with
the
speaker's
constitutional
amendment,
may
be
the
most
impactful
legislation
I've
ever
done.
E
I
stated
then
that
this
gives
us
the
ability.
As
you
recall,
the
constitutional
amendment
gives
us
the
ability
to
call
ourselves
back
into
special
session
by
joint
proclamation
of
the
speaker
and
the
president
in
doing
so
that,
in
my
mind,
alleviates
a
lot
of
the
need
for
the
legislation
that
we
did
last
year,
that
was
prospective
legislation.
E
E
If
we
had
had
the
ability
to
come
back
and
respond
to
the
requests
of
our
constituents,
we
could
have
done
so
and
avoided
legislation
that
we
sometimes
just
don't
know
the
unintended
consequences
of
I'll
be
glad
to
go
thoroughly
through
the
bill
with
you.
But
I'm
going
to
pause
at
this
point
chairman
and
welcome
any
questions
and
respond
to
those
motion
on
the
bill.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
senator
for
bringing
this
again.
This
is
the
way
we
should
do
any
constraints
on
the
governor.
We
we,
I
I'm
one
of
the
few
in
my
party,
who
supported
the
speaker's
amendment
or
to
place
that
amendment
on
so
I
do
support
it.
There
might
be
some
finer
details
in
there
that
we
could
go
through,
but
for
now
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
bringing
it
and
support.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
support.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
miller,
senator
just.
E
G
In
the
senate,
I'm
enjoying
this
senator
just
to
be
clear
if
we're
in
a
60-day
session,
and
we
use
all
60
days
ahead
of
april
15th,
can
the
house
and
senate
still
call
themselves
back
in
in
october?
E
A
Very
good,
representative
nemesis:
do
you
have
a
question?
Yes,.
H
E
H
A
Yes,
representative
smith,.
I
Is
there
it
may
be
in
there,
and
I
apologize
if
I
haven't
seen
it?
Is
it
similar
to
the
the
governor
calling
a
special
session
has
to
be
a
certain
agenda
of
certain?
Is
this
an
emergency
status
to
call
in
or
is
it
an
open
forum,
but
you
come
with
a
pacific
issue.
E
E
We
are
all
equally
powerful
once
we're
here,
and
that
should
still
be
the
way
it
should
be
so
that
that
also
is,
in
my
mind,
a
a
pressure
valve
constraining
our
leaders
to
want
to
call
us
back
because,
as
all
of
you
know,
there's
lots
of
legislation
and
lots
of
pressures
on
leadership
to
move
things.
So
if
leaders
know
that
when
they
come
back,
it
is
the
same
authority
for
everybody
to
file
legislation
and
move
things.
There
won't
be
a
great
desire
to
come
back
unless
the
need
is
very
real.
I
I
C
B
C
C
C
C
Yes,
for
today,
I
still
have
a
few
questions
about
it,
but
I'll
get
with
you
about
that.
What
was
that?
Yes,.
H
A
C
E
A
Next
item
on
the
agenda
senate
bill
32
sponsored
by
senator
higdon,
seeing
no
senator
higdon
I'll
ask
bo
if
you
would
come
to
the
come
to
the
fore,
and
this
is
a
housekeeping
bill
and
no
projected
actuarial
cost
is
reflected
by
the
actual
analysis
provided
so
bo.
Introduce
yourself
formally
and.
J
My
name
is
beau
craycraft,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
judicial
forum
retirement.
I
appreciate
the
time
and
opportunity
to
be
here
this
morning
on
behalf
of
senator
higdon.
This
is
a
housekeeping
measure.
This
is
actually
largely
a
bill
that
was
initiated
by
my
predecessor,
the
late
donna
early
stockton.
Unfortunately,
with
her
passing
and
we
we
we
weren't
able
to
get
across
the
finish
line,
and
so
I'm
here
trying
to
carry
that.
A
On
the
bill,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
bill.
I
have
a
question
bo,
absolutely,
do
you
miss?
Do
you
miss
us?
Do.
A
C
C
C
H
A
A
Or
second,
we
have
a
second
and
all
in
favor
of
accepting
the
sub
signified
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
like
sign
sub
is
before
us.
Welcome,
sir.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
the
the
purpose
of
668.
In
our
last
at
our
last
ppob
meeting,
there
were
some
discussions
between
kppa
and
the
chmcs
and
the
universities
regarding.
G
I
think
it
was
section
seven
of
house
bill
eight
from
last
year,
where
we,
where
we
put
in
the
requirement
to
go
to
get
employment
for
these
systems
from
sixty
percent
to
80
percent
and
and
fear
of
losing
their
subsidies
if
they
didn't
meet
those
those
triggers
and
the
the
point
of
issue
that
came
up
at
ppob
is
that
there
was
a
disagreement
as
to
how
to
determine
what
the
starting
point
was
for
those
contract
employees
that
were
no
longer
in
the
system.
G
So
we
had
asked
them
to
work
it
out
to
get
together
and
work
it
out,
and
and
they
did
so,
but
they
got
back
to
us
saying
in
order
to
do
what
they
needed
to
do.
They
needed
some
statutorial
change,
and
so
when
that
happened,
we
filed
a
placeholder
bill
several
weeks
ago,
when
we
still
had
time
to
do
so
as
as
a
systems
and
and
and
kppa
in
in
the
is
in
the
stakeholders,
work
things
out.
G
So
we
got
that
done
this
week
and
before
you
is
that
bill-
and
I
can
go
through
it
if
you
like,
if
you,
but
basically
what
it
says
is
for
the
for
the
point
of
receiving
a
subsidy
and
going
from
60
to
80
and
and
what
have
you
that
will
be
based
on
employees
that
were
working
july
july,
1st
2021
and
not
going
back
to
1950
for
the
sake
of
the
subsidy
motion.
A
K
Me
to
work
with
you
on
this
legislation,
and
I
just
want
to
ask
one
question,
because
I
think
it's
an
important
point
that
I
want
everybody
to
understand.
We
did
put
the
july
1
2021
in
for
the
purpose
of
a
subsidy
existing
state.
Stat
state
law
allows
the
systems
to
go
back
and
do
audits.
K
Could
you
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
changes
we
made
to
that
legislation?
In
particular,
what
would
happen
if
an
employer
did
not
cooperate
with
kppa
on
the
audits?
Yes,.
G
There's
nothing
in
the
statute
that
says
they
can
do
that,
but
there's
also
nothing
in
statute
that
that
has
any
penalty
or
any
teeth
to
it.
So
what
we
said
for
that,
because
the
systems
need
to
be
able
to
audit
the
the
retirement
systems
need
to
be
able
to
audit
what's
going
on.
G
So
what
we've
said
is
if,
if
anybody
is
turned
away
that
that
the
the
that
that
entity
will
lose
their
subsidy
until
the
issue
is
rectified,
so
that
gives
some
teeth
to
those
to
the
kppa
to
be
able
to
get
the
audits
that
they
need
to
make
sure
that
their
books
are
done
properly.
G
We
also
put
some
language
in
there
because
there
was
some
discussion
from
the
from
the
organizations
that
they
didn't
get
data
from
kppa
as
fast
as
they
would
like
to
be
so
we
put
in
there
that
they
need
to
have
their
data,
responded
back
to
them
within
90
days,
and
it
needs
to
be
data
that
is
able
to
help
them
see
who's
on
their
books
and
what
kind
of
numbers
and
financial
numbers
are
coming
from
them.
So
that's
all
in
this
bill
and
all
the
systems
have
looked
at
and
agreed
to
it.
G
Well,
I
shouldn't
say
all
of
the
c8,
the
the
lobbyists
for
chmc,
so
they're
good
with
the
western
kentucky
eastern
kentucky
moorhead,
I'm
trying
who
else
has
gotten
back
to
me,
they're
all
for
this
bill
and
nobody
has
contacted
me
to
be
against
it.
So
excellent.
Did
I
answer
your
question
representative
yeah.
A
Very
good
does
anyone
else
have
a
question.
K
G
C
D
C
H
I
briefly
explained,
mr
chairman,
you
may
there
are
a
few
people
that
come
to
the
general
assembly
who
have
left
a
big
mark.
We
have
senator
bowen
who
died
this
week,
who
left
a
tremendous
mark
on
pensions.
We
have
two
gentlemen
in
this
room
today
that
I
think
this
might
be
their
last
committee
meeting
on
pensions
and
that's
representative,
duplessy
and,
and
chairman
miller.
H
I
don't
want
to
let
this
moment
go
by
without
giving
a
tremendous,
a
very
heartfelt
thank
you
to
the
two
of
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
kentucky
in
my
district
and
all
across
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I'll
be
a
yes.
B
I
Can
I
explain
my
vote
chairman?
Yes,.
I
Is
a
yes
and
I
wish
I
did
understand
a
lot
of
the
dynamics
of
our
pension.
When
I
read
a
few
weeks
ago
that
we
lost
money
in
a
russian
bank,
it
bothered
me-
and
maybe
it
didn't
affect
others,
but
it
affected
me
because
I'm
I'm
wondering
I
know
it's
a
blind
type
deal.
A
lot
of
the
investments
were
blind
type
deal
and
and
they're
they're
also
that
way
to
my
understanding
to
legislators,
but
where
we
can't
really
dig
in
and
find
a
lot
of
things.
I
So
we
put
a
lot
of
trust
in
people
and
I
appreciate
your
work
on
it
and
I'm
hoping
that
our
pensions
can
keep
getting
stronger
better.
So
our
our
tax
dollars
can
be
used
for
other
things,
rather
than
than
healing
up
bad
investments
healing
up
faulty
determinations,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
representing
what
you've
done.
C
C
A
There
is
a
title
amendment
if
anybody
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
title
representative,
heath
second
into
that
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
like
sign
that
and
that
has
passed
now.
Thank
you
and
representative
mccoy
massey.
A
L
L
The
biggest
problem
is
that,
with
waivers
being
required,
school
districts
were
waiting
months
upon
months
for
waivers
with
the
fluctuation
in
prices
of
materials.
It
was
costing
these
districts
literally
millions
of
dollars.
In
one
case,
we
had
a
district
that
cost
them
10
million
dollars
waiting
on
a
waiver,
in
another
case,
the
school
that
had
the
bonding
capacity
to
build
a
middle
school
based
on
waiting
for
a
waiver
they
lost
because
the
prices
went
up,
they
lost
their
ability
to
bond
enough
money
to
build
the
school.
L
So
we
sat
down
with
many
of
the
district
administrators.
We
had
kasa
represented
kass
ksba,
the
school
facilities,
construction,
commission
and
lastly,
we
also
brought
in
kde
and
kde
admitted.
There
was
some
issues
resolving
resolving
these
waiver
issues
and
they're
trying
to
resolve
it,
but
they
said
they
only
had
about
two
hours
a
week
to
work
on
trying
to
renew
their
manuals
and
go
through
all
those
processes.
L
We
used
a
shell
bill,
obviously,
which
is
why
there's
a
title
amendment
and
it
says
it's
an
act
related
to
juvenile
justice.
It's
not
an
act
related
to
juvenile
justice.
It's
an
act
related
to
school
construction
and
with
me
here
that
have
worked
along
with
the
group
and
I'll
give
them
a
brief
moment
to
to
make
a
couple
of
statements
are
the
senators
and
eric
kennedy,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
them
I'll
start
with
senator
howe.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
committee.
I
just
wanted
to
say
real
briefly
how
much
I
appreciate
the
effort
that
everybody's
put
into
this
in
my
prior
life.
Before
I
came
to
the
senate,
I
was
on
the
school
board
and
went
through
a
school
construction
construction
project
and
there
are
some
some
areas.
We
really
need
to
take
to
take
a
hard
look
at
on
how
we
built
our
school
facilities.
M
K
Thank
you,
committee
and
chairman.
All
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
one
of
my
counties
was
impacted
by
exactly
what
representative
massey
said
about
this
delay,
costing
them
the
ability
to
build
a
middle
school.
So
I
do
appreciate
all
the
work.
That's
gone
into
this
appreciate
your
time
and
I'll.
Just
very
briefly,
say
again,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
come
to
the
committee
today.
A
We
have
a
motion
on
the
amended
bill
and
a
second.
We
have
a
question
representative,
hevron.
A
L
C
G
To
quickly
explain
my
vote,
I'm
a
yes-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
with
my
superintendent,
terry
morgan,
on
this
legislation.
She
praised
bitty's
work
that
this
committed
your
committee's
work
on
having
all
the
stakeholders
involved
and
getting
input
from
lots
of
people.
So
job
well
done,
I'm
a
hearty
yes.
C
C
C
Briefly,
explain
my
yes
vote,
it's
a
great
bill
and
I'm
so
glad
that
all
the
stakeholders
been
able
to
come
together
and
get
this
done.
They'd
love
to
see
this
kind
of
work.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
briefly
explain:
I
spoke
with
my
superintendent
from
ludlow
high
school
loved.
Those
schools
and
he's
enthusiastically
enthusiastically
supports
this
brief
comment
on
this
being
the
best
bill.
The
session,
my
my
colleague
said,
is
a
very
low
bar,
but
yes,.
B
A
Yes
matter
passes
with
favorable
expression.
Do
I
have
a
promotion
on
the
title
amendment?
A
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
the
second
hall
in
favor
by
sigma
by
saying
aye
opposed
like
son,
that
has
the
title
amendment
has
passed
and
is
adopted
so
no
other
business
to.
C
I'd
like
to
record
a
yes
for
senate
bill,
32.,
a
yes
for
house
bill,
668.
C
Mr
chair,
are
we
not
hearing
representative
church's
bill
today.
C
A
Thank
you
very
good,
seeing
no
other.