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A
That
is
yeah,
so
the
first
bill
we
have
a
full
agenda,
as
you
can
tell.
The
first
bill
is
going
to
be
presented
by
Senator
wheeler
Senate,
Bill
120,
and
if
you
would
proceed
and
introduce
yourself
and
your
guest
for
the
record,
four
is
yours.
G
Philip
wheeler
31st
Senate
District
I'm
here
to
present
Senate
Bill
120,
which
is
the
plan
Community
act.
This
bill
today
is
carrying
on
the
legacy
of
our
former
Senate
colleague
Dr
Ralph
Alvarado,
who
presented
a
similar
bill
for
approximately
five
years,
and
we
never
could
quite
get
all
the
people
to
the
table.
But
now
that
Ralph's
gone
amazingly,
everybody
was
able
to
get
into
agreement.
So
you
know
no
with
all
jokes
aside.
G
This
is
a
very
positive
bill
for
homeowners
within
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
Senate
bill
or
house.
Senate
Bill
120
is
a
result
of
compromise
and
was
with
most
good
compromises.
No
one
is
getting
everything
they
want,
but
I
also
reached
out
to
Ralph
and
and
shared
this
bill
with
him,
and
he
is
supportive
of
everything
in
this
bill.
Senate
Bill
120
has
been
well
well
vetted.
G
There
was
a
Judiciary
Committee
over
the
summer.
An
interim
Judiciary
Committee
with
this
very
topic
was
discussed,
and
it
said
it's
been
before
the
committee
multiple
times.
It
provides
a
statutory
framework
for
homeowners
associations
that
will
allow
them
to
better
function
and
self-govern.
In
addition,
the
bill
has
significant
consumer
protections
for
members
of
homeowners
associations,
for
example,
in
previous
testimony
on
this
bill,
we
heard
about
situations
where
a
homeowners
association,
like
the
one
associated
with
the
golf
course
of
Mount
Sterling,
had
poor
homeowners
association
documents
that
did
not
provide
for
financial
transparency.
G
Ultimately,
the
developer
of
that
Community
absconded
with
the
dues
necessary
to
maintain
the
infrastructure
in
the
golf
course
leaving
the
homeowners
association
defunct
and
leaving
the
homeowners
holding
the
bag.
The
members
as
a
result
lost
substantial
value
in
their
property.
Senate
Bill
120
allows
homeowners
association
to
set
fees
at
appropriate
levels
to
fulfill
their
maintenance
obligations,
provide
for
financial
transparency,
Financial
audit
provisions
and
enforces
fee
collection
and
compliance
with
deed
restrictions.
G
As
I
said,
an
important
thing
to
note
about
this
bill
is
that
it
looks
forward
not
backwards.
Current
homeowners
associations
will
not
be
affected.
In
addition,
homeowners
associations
themselves
can
actually
opt
out
of
this
statutory
framework.
So
what
it
basically
provides
is
a
framework
for
a
for
protection
of
homeowners
within
the
community
when
the
homeowners
association
documents
are
silent
and
it
provides
really
for
protection
of
what
it
for
most
people
is
their
most
valuable
asset,
their
home.
So.
A
H
No
I
just
wanna,
my
name
is
William
Merrifield
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
having
us
here.
This
is
a
piece
of
legislation
that
Cai
has
worked
with
the
various
shareholders,
the
Realtors,
the
builders,
to
get
something
on
the
books
to
provide
protection
for
our
planned
communities
right
now,
where
there's
nothing
currently
on
the
books
for
any
type
of
statutory
default
provisions.
C
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D
J
A
K
A
A
A
A
L
A
L
Of
the
committee
Jason
house,
senate
district,
one
and,
unlike
my
predecessor,
I,
don't
have
the
ability
to
move
these
well-stalled
bills
that
have
hung
out
there
for
a
long
time.
Senate
Bill
126
amends
krs-45205.
It
involves
lawsuits
involving
constitutional
challenges.
If
you
find
yours
that
you've
been
challenged
in
court.
Excuse
me
on
a
certain
constitutional
issues
that
are
listed
in
1A
of
the
statute.
L
Then
you
have
one
option
to
change
venue
and
that
process
for
doing
so
is
you
apply
to
the
court
that
you're
in
they
submit
this
to
the
clerk
of
the
Supreme
Court
who's,
going
to
create
a
system
for
blind
draw
and
of
all
the
available
circuits
other
than
the
one
you're
in
out
in
this
pool?
One
will
be
pulled
at
random
and
that
will
be
the
circuit
that
you're
assigned
to.
A
A
I
It
seems
to
me
that
in
some
level
this
is
an
in-ground
around
having
litigation
and
Frankfurt.
Do
you
think
that
it
works
difficulty
on
the
general
assembly
or
people
who
would
be
involved
in
defending
litigation
brought
against
us
if
we
have
to
go
to
other
counties
in
order
to
defend
well.
L
Thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
It's
a
good
question
and
it's
got
a
couple
of
different
parts
to
the
answer.
Mr
chairman.
If
I
may
one
we're
a
big
state,
we
have
a
lot
of
different
issues
and
it
might,
it
might
be
more
of
an
issue.
I'll
use,
my
myself
as
an
example
in
my
district
I
spoke
to
my
I
spoke
to
my
Circuit
Judge
who's,
one
of
my
closest
legal
mentors
just
this
morning
and
it's
the
river
counties
as
far
west
as
you
can
go
and
the
stat
the
way
it
stands
now.
L
A
lawsuit
can
be
brought
in
Fulton,
Circuit,
Court
I'm,
going
to
use
that
because
that's
as
far
west
as
you
can
go
and
the
the
the
the
the
what
you
were
talking
about
about
moving
so
far
away.
You
know
a
lot
of
this
is
driven
by
the
triangle,
because
everything
happens
here.
You
might
decide
that
you'd
rather
be
anywhere
rather
than
Fulton,
County,
just
for
Logistics
purposes
alone.
So
then
you
would
have
the
ability
to
go
and
and
take
a
blind
draw
to
move
it
to
another
another
circuit.
That's
just
an
example.
L
This
all
gets
drug
into
politics,
but
that's
just
a
PR
as
an
attorney.
That's
a
practical
situation.
I
think
we
probably
all
thought
at
one
point:
I'd
rather
be
in
any
other
court
than
the
one
I'm
in
right
now,
and
sometimes
that
that
has
a
lot
of
different
applications,
and
this
would
be
one
of
them.
A
J
You
Mr
chairman
Senator,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
I'm
a
lawyer
in
Indiana
as
well
as
Kentucky,
and
they
have
a
provision
in
Indiana
where
it's
similar
to
this.
J
Where
someone,
if
you
file
it
in
County
a
either
party,
can
ask
for
a
change
of
venue
and
it
would
go
no
further
than
an
adjacent
or
contiguous
County
I'm
wondering
the
one
concern
I
have
is:
if
I
file
a
case
in
Pike,
County,
conceivably
I
could
it
could
be
transferred
to
Fulton
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
be
more
efficient
but
still
satisfy
the
interest
that
I
agree
with
you
that
you're
espousing
if
we
say
that
it
could
be
transferred,
but
it
has
to
stay
within
the
Supreme
Court
District.
L
First
of
all,
I
will
speak
for
judge
Langford
he'd
be
happy
to
have
you
down
in
Fulton
Circuit
Court
I'd.
L
But
that
that
was
discussed-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
that
we
would
look
like
we
were
Forum
Shopping
rather
than
Forum
unshopping,
if
you
will
to
where,
if
we
tried
to
limit
it
on
something
like
that,
so
the
so,
the
greater
decision
was
to
just
put
it
into
to
an
open
blind
draw
and
it
actually
helps
kind
of
what
representative
Burke
was
kind
of
implying
by
this.
You
you've
got
to
really
want
to
be
out
of
there,
because
sometimes
it's
better
to
go
with
the
devil.
L
You
know
than
the
devil
you
don't
and
that
that
puts
a
level
of
consideration
to
a
party
that
might
want
to
move
of
just
how
badly
they
want
to
move
and
what
they
might
might
have
to
deal
with
if
they
ended
up
in
a
jurisdiction
that
they'd
rather
not
be
in
as
well,
because
you
only
get
one
shot
at
this.
J
J
There
is
no,
to
my
knowledge,
there's
no
restriction
in
the
in
the
statutes
of
the
Constitution
or
even
the
court
rules
that
say
when
the
Attorney
General
can
intervene
in
the
in
the
event
that
he
intervenes
a
year
after
the
case
is
ongoing,
which.
J
Happen
we
could
have
a
k,
a
judge,
ruling
on
a
case
in
preliminary
emotions
for
a
full
year.
Then
the
Attorney
General
intervening,
and
then
we
got
a
new
judge
if
the.
If
now
that
I
understand
that's,
that
would
be
the
extreme
minority
of
cases.
But
it's
possible
under
this
bill.
I
wonder
if,
if,
if
you've
thought
about
that
and
if
there's
any
potential
amendments,
it.
L
Is
it
is
possible,
and
certainly
something
we
could
address
if
that,
if
we
thought
that
was
an
issue,
the
initial
discussion
on
that
was
people
are
going
to
get
in
at
the
beginning.
You
know
well
that
also
could
be
for
someone
that
you
bring
in
by
counter
or
cross
claim
later
on
as
well
true,
but
once
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
jump
off
point
in
litigation,
as
you
well
know
where
you
just
don't
need
to
be
moving
so
on
some
level.
L
All
dates
that
we
deal
with
are
arbitrary
on
some
level
30
days,
obviously,
because
a
lot
of
our
rules
of
civil
procedure
deals
some
30-day
deadlines,
but
there
was
there
has
to
be
a
point
in
there
where
you've
been
there
too
long
to
where
it
makes
sense
to
start
all
over
in
another
Circle,
so
so
yeah.
It
would
be
unfortunate
in
that
situation
and
that's
something.
Certainly
if
this
bill
does
pass
out
a
committee
and
and
through
the
house
that
we
could.
L
We
could
look
at
then
at
a
later
time
to
do
it
or
maybe
by
four
Amendment
now,
but
but
that
that
was
kind
of
the
concern
that
if
you
get
too
far
down
the
line,
you
know
if
judges
have
already
been
really
on
Discovery
or
something
like
that
in
a
in
a
litigation
case,
and
then
somebody
feels
the
need
to
intervene
like
that
from
an
attorney
general's
standpoint.
Do
you
really
want
to
start
all
over
the
with
a
new
judge
at
that
point
right?
Well,.
A
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
I,
guess,
Senator.
Theoretically,
then,
if
I'm,
the
litigant
and
I
exercise,
my
right
under
your
bill
to
change
venue
provide
that
notice
and
then,
at
a
later
point
the
AG
comes
in
and
also
provides
notice
that
they
want
it
that
the
AG's
office
wants
a
change
of
venue.
Could
you
theoretically
have.
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L
L
A
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J
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A
So
with
14,
yes,
votes,
four,
no
votes
and
zero
pass
votes.
Senate
Bill
126
with
the
house
committee
substitute,
is
passed
and
should
pass
on
the
floor.
Thank
you,
Senator.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
Next
we
will
take
up
House
Bill
83
judgment
liens
and
that's
represented
Patrick
Flannery.
If
you'll
make
your
way
down
to
the
table
and.
G
A
P
All
right
very
quickly,
this
bill
has
originally
filed
a
dealt
with
judgment
liens
only
and
the
gentleman
to
my
right
has
been
working
with
me
and
and
other
stakeholders
on
this
bill.
They're
with
the
Kentucky
Land
Title
Association,
and
to
my
left.
We
have
representative
dossett
who's
interested
in
a
portion
that
has
been
put
in
this
committee
sub.
Also
dealing
with
this
used
with
mechanics,
liens
I
will
I
guess
defer
to
the
gentleman
to
my
right
to
explain
more
about
the
Judgment
lean
portion
of
this
bill.
M
Thank
you,
House
Bill
83
will
make
some
minor
modifications
to
existing
statutes.
All
of
these
statutes
deal
with
the
conveyance
of
real
estate.
Here
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
There
are
primarily
three
portions
of
this
bill
that
the
Kentucky
Land
Title
Association,
is
concerned
with
and
is
supporting.
M
The
first
section
of
the
bill
will
modify
krs-426
720.,
that
is
a
statute
of
limitations
bill
and
the
modification
will
result
in
the
statute
of
limitations
for
a
judgment
lien
to
be
reduced
from
15
years
to
10
years
essentially,
and
it
also
will
establish
a
specific
date
and
time
that
the
statute
of
limitations
will
begin
to
run.
That's
been
very
that's
been
unclear.
According
to
the
current
statute,
the
second
section
is
basically
a
modification
to
KRS
65032,
which
is
the
county
clerk's.
M
Modernization
act
that
was
passed
last
year
at
this
point
in
time,
if
you
may
not
remember,
but
that
bill
served
to
to
in
in
part
serve
to
mandate
that
the
county
clerks
around
the
state
of
Kentucky
would
have
installed
by
June
30th
of
this
year,
June
30th
to
2023
that
they
will
have
remote
portals
for
electronic
to
allow
for
electronic
recording
of
all
real
estate
documents.
M
The
final
section
of
the
bill
as
far
as
we're
concerned
is
in
regard
to
KRS
389010,
and
that
statute
deals
with
the
a
fiduciary,
whether
it
be
a
trustee
or
a
guardian,
or
an
executor
of
an
estate,
the
authority
of
a
trustee
to
sell
real
estate
on
behalf
of
the
estate
or
their
Ward.
M
At
this
point
in
time,
there
is
a
provision
within
that
statute
that
provides
that
if
any
fiduciary
executes
a
deed
within
that
30
days
after
the
entry
of
that
order
that
that
deed
is
void,
this
will
not
remove
the
ability
of
The,
Heirs
or
beneficiaries
during
that
30-day
period
to
appeal
the
decision
of
to
sell
the
property,
but
it
will
change
the
outcome
of
executing
a
deed
and
conveying
the
property
during
that
30
days.
It
will
not
be
void.
M
O
A
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A
Q
I
am
a
yes
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
sponsor,
and
my
constituent,
Mr
timmler
for
being
here
anytime.
I,
see
that
you
have
worked
on
something
I
know
that.
K
A
Think
with
18,
yes,
votes,
no,
no
votes
and
no
pass
votes.
House
Bill
83
is
amended
by
house
committee.
Substitute
number
two
is
passed
and
will
be
reported
with
favorable
expression
that
same
should
pass.
There
is
a
title
amendment.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
the
title?
Amendment
motion
by
representative
Mosers
are
second
representative
Decker
and
the
title
Amendment
is
adopted.
M
A
R
R
Jury
service
is
one
of
our
most
important
responsibilities
as
kentuckians
and
Americans
This
privilege
allows
us
to
serve
our
country,
State,
Community
and
fellow
citizens.
It
allows
us
to
contribute
to
our
state's
judicial
system
and
as
a
service
that
should
be
performed
with
pride.
Clearly,
we
appreciate
the
individuals
who
serve
jury
duty.
However,
we
must
also
recognize
that
an
individual
may
need
to
opt
out
as
a
result
of
health
conditions
associated
with
their
age.
R
Under
the
current
statute,
these
individuals
must
request
to
be
excused
from
the
jury
pool
and
those
requests
must
be
reviewed
by
a
judge.
Exemptions
already
exist,
including
breastfeeding
mothers
and
disabilities.
However,
none
apply
directly
to
an
individual's
age
and
we
also
want
to
leave
room
for
those
who
may
be
70
or
older
and
choose
to
participate
in
jury
duty.
R
House
Bill
338
simply
seeks
to
streamline
this
process
by
providing
an
opportunity
for
these
men
and
women
to
opt
out
without
requiring
approval.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
is
only
optional
before
I
close
Mr
chairman
I'd
like
to
recognize
Circuit,
Judge
John
Atkins,
for
bringing
this
this
issue
to
us
as
the
chief
Circuit
Judge,
he
reviews,
jury
duty
requests
and
shared
the
overwhelming
number
of
those
who
asked
to
be
excluded
because
of
a
health
condition
associated
with
their
age.
R
A
C
I
K
S
T
K
S
B
S
A
So
with
16,
yes,
votes,
two
no
votes
and
no
pass
votes,
House,
Bill,
338,
is
passed
and
will
be
reported
with
favorable
expression
and
same
should
pass.
Congratulations.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
believe
is
Senator
Carroll
here,
please
come
forward.
Senator
Carroll
and
you
have
Senate
Bill
80
an
act
relating
to
Public
Safety.
U
U
It
is
broken
up
into
a
couple
different
parts
section
one
has
to
do
with
the
sex
offender
registry,
in
that
it
adds
laundering
within
one
thousand
feet
of
these
areas
that
are
protected,
and
that
includes
high
schools,
Middle
Schools
elementary
school
preschool
publicly
on
owned
or
leased
playgrounds,
lease
daycare
facilities,
and
it
also
adds
to
that
list
publicly
owned
or
leased
swimming
pools
or
splash
pads
and
under
krs-211
205.
The
bill
provides
a
definition
for
littering
which
applies
for
lottery,
not
littering.
U
That
applies
to
this,
and
it
also
has
a
provision
that
this
the
new
additions
is
not
retroactive,
so
it
only
affects
from
the
point
the
the
bill
would
go
into
effect.
Section
two
of
the
bill
has
to
do
with
health
care
providers
and
it
basically
restores
the
salt
3
protections
to
those
health
care
providers
who
are
providing
health
care
services
within
an
emergency
room
in
2019.
There
was
a
bill
passed
that
inadvertently
and
I
spoke
with
representative
Moser
about
this.
U
U
Primary
nurses
lost
those
protections
and
there
were
several
court
cases
in
my
district
where
reports
were
taken
for
assault
third
degree,
only
to
be
amended
down
to
assault
fourth
degree,
and
we
made
some
changes
in
the
first
part
of
this
bill
to
out
of
a
concern
about
some
homeless
folks
within
our
city.
So
the
definition
of
ordering
in
section
one
I
want
to
go
back
to
that,
does
take
into
account
and
it
would
allow
if
someone
has
a
legitimate
reason
to
be
within
a
thousand
feet
of
these
areas.
It
does
allow
that.
So
it's
it's.
U
There
has
to
be
a
reason
if
they're
just
hanging
out
for
no
reason,
that's
where
this
would
apply,
but
I
did
want
to
cover
that
as
I've
as
I
finished
and
Mr
chairman.
That's
a
simple
overview
of
the
bill.
A
D
V
So
my
name
is
George
Eckland
I
work
for
the
Coalition
of
the
homeless
in
Louisville
Kentucky,
as
their
education
advocacy
director
I'm,
going
to
be
very
brief.
I
know,
y'all
have
a
lots
going
on
so
I
really
sincerely
appreciate
the
intent
with
this
bill
and
I
appreciate
Senator
Carroll
in
like
making
those
accommodations
on
the
definition
of
homelessness.
The
reality
is
that
I.
V
We
still
fear
that
our
clients
are
going
to
get
wrapped
up
in
this,
because
our
shelter
options
in
Louisville
are
very
lacking
for
people
that
are
on
the
registry,
mostly
because
they
are
banned
from
some
of
the
shelters
because
they
they
out
of
safety.
They
house
families.
They
have
playgrounds
on
site,
they
have
daycare
services,
so
many
of
people
that
are
on
on
the
registry
are
forced
to
sleep
outside
and
just
by
being
in
the
urban
core,
like
they're
by
default,
usually
within
a
thousand
yards
of
one
of
these
protected
locations.
V
V
We're
opposed
to
this
bill
just
just
by
on
basic
principle,
but
we
really
appreciate
the
efforts
that
Senator
Carroll's
put
into
it,
and
we
really
are
looking
for
help
to
support
these
vulnerable
kentuckians
and
promotes
Public
Safety.
While
we
do
it.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the.
A
A
A
A
Yes,
please,
this.
U
In
this
section,
it
also
adds
laudering
within
one
thousand
feet
of
any
of
the
these
areas,
as
the
sole
operator
occupant,
of
any
mobile
business
operating
within
one
thousand
feet,
and
it
gives
a
definition
of
a
mobile
business
primarily
would
be
something
like
a
food
truck
of
that
nature,
and
we've
had
instances
in
my
district
of
a
sex
offender
that
will
pull
up
next
to
a
park
and
in
a
food
truck
and
really
nothing
they
they
could
do,
and
that's
that's
what
led
to
this.
U
A
S
S
A
I
I'll
be
a
pass
today,
because
I
do
share
the
same
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
the
Homeless
Coalition.
My
early
career
involved
working
with
people
experiencing
homelessness.
I
know
they
will
be
disproportionately
impacted
by
this
bill
and,
while
I
sincerely
want
to
protect
children
from
sex
offenders,
I
wonder
if
there's
a
more
narrowly
tailored
way.
We
could
do
it
so
pass.
F
F
S
Explain
my
vote.
Yes,
you
may
I'm
a
pass
on
this
about
Bill
as
well.
I
am
the
board
president
of
the
emergency.
Shelter
of
Northern,
Kentucky
and
and
I
have
a
special
spot
in
my
heart
for
the
homeless,
and
we
do
cater
to
a
lot
of
sex
offenders
and
we
believe
that
they
deserve
housing
as
well,
and
so
I
would
like
to
continue
to
work
on
this
bill
and
and
to
see
how
we
can
accommodate
for
those
people.
Thank
you.
A
O
I'm
a
pass
for
today
for
many
of
the
same
reasons
that
my
colleagues
have
mentioned:
I
understand
and
support
the
intent
of
the
bill,
but
there's
also
the
consequences
that
will
occur,
which
I
understand
aren't
intended
necessarily
so
I
I
would
like
to
have
further
conversations
with
the
sponsor
and
our
Advocates
to
see
if
there
is
a
more
Narrow
Path
forward.
Thank
you.
J
W
W
K
K
A
A
Our
next
item
will
be
House,
Bill,
207,
representative
Kevin
bratcher.
A
C
A
C
You
Mr
chairman,
some
police
districts,
approached
me
about
I,
guess
six
to
eight
months
ago,
on
Wellness
programs
and
I
did
quite
a
bit
of
learning,
Up
On
Wellness
programs
and
early
intervention
systems
and
I'm
gonna.
Let
these
experts
explain
to
you
and
the
jest
of
the
bill.
E
So
hi,
my
name
is
Sean
Butler
I'm,
the
executive
director
for
the
Kentucky
police,
Chiefs,
Association,
Mr,
chairman
and
honorable
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
today
and
allowing
us
to
present
this.
An
Eis
is
a
non-disciplinary
non-punitive
data-driven
program
that
allows
law
enforcement
to
Monitor
and
identify
officers
who
might
be
displaying
at
risk
or
potentially
problematic.
Behaviors
and
I
can't
stress
that
enough.
This
is
not
for
the
officer,
that's
already
a
problem.
E
I
would
tell
you
that
out
of
122
accredited
agencies
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
Eis
systems
are
mandatory
for
them,
and
wellness
programs
will
be
coming
mandatory
in
the
last
executive
order
by
President
Trump.
It
was
made
or
not
mandatory.
It
was
issued
that
this
is
a
system
and
way
we
should
go
and
then
the
current
president.
It's
the
same
thing.
K
A
So
motion
by
representative
Blanton,
second
by
representative
Moser,
so
is
there
any
discussion?
A
Y
I'm
lieutenant
Joel
Lopez
I'm,
the
commander
of
the
wellness
unit
in
lmpd
and
I
oversee
the
early
intervention
system.
Y
Z
Thank
you,
Ryan
strahl
State,
vice
president
and
government
Affairs
chair
for
the
state
fop,
just
like
Mr
Butler
said
we
are
in
full
support
of
this.
This
is
huge
for
our
members
and
we
just
appreciate
all
the
work.
They've
done
and
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
detective
Brandon
Lincoln
with
lmpd.
He
represented
the
fop
as
part
of
this,
and
and
really
did
the
majority
of
the
work
on
it.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
N
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
think
this
is
a
Fab
fabulous
program
and
the
question
I
have
is:
how
do
you
determine
what
information
comes
from
a
wellness
program
versus
other
types
of
Investigations
number
one
and
then
number
two?
How
can
you
tell
if
someone's
having
a
bad
day
and
not
a
bad
guy.
Y
So
the
first
part
of
your
question,
the
wellness
versus
a
regular
Wellness
programs
would
Encompass
our
early
intervention
system
and
then
our
peer
supports
and
and
things
like
that,
people
who
would
talk
in
mental
health
professionals
and
those
types
of
things,
The,
Early
Intervention,
how
it
works,
is
and
how
people
have
a
bad
day
is.
It
looks
at
a
pattern
of
behavior
over
the
course
of
time.
So
most
early
intervention
systems
Across
the
Nation.
Y
They
Factor
use
of
force,
Pursuits
all
those
types
of
things
into
a
system,
and
then
a
department
will
calculate
how
they
want
to
identify
people,
and
then
the
system
automatically
identifies
them,
and
then
it
registers
to
a
supervisor
or
someone
to
have
this
conversation.
And
then,
once
you
have
this
conversation.
Y
This
is
why
the
buying
is
so
important
with
the
officer,
because
just
to
have
a
meeting
with
you
and
say
that
I've
identified
you
if
you're
not
willing
to
openly
talk
about
the
underlying
issues
going
on
I'm,
not
going
to
help
you
and
then
you're
not
going
to
be
the
best
officer
where
you
can
be
to
help
the
community
out.
There
did
I
answer
your
question.
I'm
sorry.
N
To
your
point,
so
thank
you
so
much
and
I
think
you
know
the
doj
just
announced
this
program.
A
lot
of
people
are
upset,
so
I
am
all
forgiving
police
officers
and
First
Responders
more
resources.
Yes,
ma'am!
Is
there
anything
that
prohibits
someone
from
doing
a
bad
act
and
then
jumping
in
a
wellness
program?
No.
Y
So
I
mean
these:
these
incidents
in
themselves
will
be
investigated
the
same
as
they
always
have.
What
an
early
intervention
does
is
take
a
pattern
of
them
over
the
course
of
a
long
time
a
year
or
so
and
kind
of
identify.
So
if
you
have
a
use
of
force,
a
single
incident,
the
supervisors
in
the
department
will
investigate
that
the
same
way
they
always
have
what
this
does
is
kind
of
forces
departments
to
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
the
totality
of
a
long-term
incidents.
Y
You
know:
is
there
an
underlying
issue
with
the
officer
over
the
course
of
time
that
could
be
corrected
or
is
there
something
at
home,
or
is
there
mental
health
stuff
that,
on
the
surface
with
a
single
incident
is
not
being
identified?
But
when
you
see
two
three,
four
five
things
over
the
course
of
six
months
happen.
Now
we're
taking
a
step
back,
observing
everything
all
together,
then
having
a
one-on-one
conversation
with
this
person
and
saying,
what's
going
on
that,
we
can
help
you
with
yeah.
N
I
Have
a
question:
yes:
go
ahead,
so
I'm
mentally
trying
to
distinguish
this
from
the
type
of
program
that
the
bar
association
offers
for
attorneys
who
have
identified.
They
have
mental
health
or
substance
abuse
issues.
Is
it
true,
so,
in
that
program,
usually
people
are
self-identifying,
sometimes
a
referral,
but
it's
mostly
somebody
saying
gosh
I
drink
too
much.
I
This
is
more
of
a
referral
program,
though,
where
an
outside
person
is
recognized.
That
there's
an
issue
is
that
right?
Yes,.
E
Ma'am,
the
hope
of
this
program
is
we're
getting
to
those
problems
before
they
become
a
major
problem,
or
it
is
an
issue
that
needs
corrective
action
or
disciplinary
action
or
legal
action
that
that
is
the
hope
of
the
program
and
that's
on
the
on
the
national
one.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
give
the
best
police
officers
we
can
and
in
turn,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
give
the
police
officers
the
help
and
the
coping
skills
they
need
to
do
this
job.
Okay,.
I
So
then,
my
issue
with
this
bill
comes
in
the
the
confidentiality
Realm.
If
people
were
self-identifying,
gosh
I
have
a
problem.
I
need
to
do
something
about
it,
then
I
would
feel
really
good
about
respecting
their
confidentiality,
but
if
it
takes
the
outside
opinion
of
someone
recognizing
there's
a
pattern
of
conduct
here
that
isn't
quite
right
and
the
intervention
is
essentially
being
forced
upon
them,
then
to
me
that
ought
to
be
discoverable
without
the
participant
consent.
I
A
A
J
I
want
to
thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
coming
representative
bratcher.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
I
heard.
Something
I
just
wanted
to
correct
this,
isn't
about
protecting
the
police
officer,
it's
about
protecting
the
public.
We
want
the
police
officer
to
get
help
which
makes
him
or
her
a
better
police
officer
which
make
our
communities
safer.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
representative
Roger.
O
H
O
I
mean
it's
talking
about
the
Kentucky
Rules
of
Evidence
and
the
counselor
patient
privilege
so
and
that's
sort
of
one
parameter,
and
then
it
says
nothing
shall
be
construed
to
restrict
or
limit
the
right
to
just
for
discovering
any
civil
action,
and
then
you've
got
all
of
these
exceptions.
So
are
we
just
is
there
what
are
the
situations
where
this
information
would
not
be
discoverable.
E
O
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
those
were
some
of
the
same
issues
that
I
had
that
I
had
asked
about.
Discoverability
is
specifically
in
custody
cases
since
I'm
a
family
law
attorney
and
in
the
statute.
It's
specifically
one
of
the
things
that
the
judge
needs
to
look
at
is
is
mental
health.
So,
when
I
read
this
I'm
comfortable
and
I
was
satisfied
that
that
is
discoverable
in
that
situation.
F
E
AA
So
this
law
does
not
Trump
any
discoverability
issues
or
Supreme
Court
cases
or
anything
if
it
ends
up
in
a
court
case,
the
things
are
going
to
be
discoverable,
but
hopefully
it's
met
before
that
and
there's
a
sense
of
privacy
and
confidentiality
in
receiving
help
or
treatment.
Yes,
sir
okay,
thank
you.
S
I
I
I
T
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
on
this
legislation
today.
This
is
a
an
issue
that
I
have
been
thinking
about
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
ensure
that
law
enforcement
have
the
things
that
they
need.
T
I
do
deeply
believe
and
know
and
understand
that
the
job
can
be
very
traumatic
and
so
there's
often
times
I
wonder
about
if
there's
a
specific
event
or
things
that
happen
within
the
line
of
duty.
That
then
you
know,
has
a
negative
impact
on
what
that
looks,
like
I.
Do
think
that
there
was
some
good
conversation
and
discussion
today
about
some
of
the
deeper
details
in
it,
and
so
I
will
follow
up
with
you
all,
but
I
also
could
potentially
change
my
vote
on
the
floor.
Thank
you.
D
J
A
W
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
vote
Yes
an
eye
on
this
and
I'm
very
glad
to
see
this
as
someone
that's
retired,
from
law
enforcement
and
had
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
traumatic
scenes.
I've
had
to
check
on
my
troops
to
make
sure
how
they
were
handling
things
and
if
I
needed
to
I
would
have
to
get
them
help.
So
I'm
very
happy
that
this
is
the
in
coming
into
play.
I'm
glad
to
see
it
so
I'm
an
eye.
N
May
I'm
voting
yes,
because
this
is
a
great
resource
for
police
officers
and
we
need
to
support
them
and
I
am
still
concerned
about
what
is
a
wellness
program
and
and
so
in
conversation
I'm
sure
you
can
explain
it
to
me
so
that
it
can't
be
used
to
hide
from
what
needs
to
happen.
K
A
So
with
19,
yes,
votes,
zero,
no
votes
and
one
pass
vote.
House
Bill
207
with
the
house
committee
substitute,
is
passed
with
favorable
expression
and
the
same
should
pass
on
the
house
floor.
Congratulations
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us.
Our
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
House
Bill
249
an
act
relating
to
aggravating
circumstances.
A
W
A
D
X
AB
AB
AA
and
that
would
add
intentional
murder
of
a
child
to
the
list
of
aggravating
circumstances,
I
plan
to
explain
in
detail
what
that
entails
and
but
before
I
start
I
want
everyone
to
try
to
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
not
necessarily
A
bill.
Just
about
the
death
penalty,
it's
not
a
bill
that
signifies
approval
or
disapproval
of
the
death
penalty.
It
is
more
nuanced
than
that.
So
I'd.
Ask
that
you
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
I
go
through
with
my
presentation.
AA
So
first
I'll
just
like
to
look
at
what
penalties
apply
to
what
crimes
and
I'm
sure
we're
all
pretty
familiar
with
this.
But
here's
the
basic
breakdown,
Class
D
Felony,
one
to
five
C
felony
five
to
ten
years,
could
be
10
to
20.
the
class.
A
felony
is
20
to
50
years
or
life,
with
the
possibility
of
parole
after
20
years.
AA
The
focus
today
is
on
that
class,
a
felony
currently
under
Kentucky
law.
If
someone
intentionally
emerges
a
child,
the
penalty
is
20
to
50
years
or
life,
with
the
possibility
of
parole
after
20
years.
AA
When
it's
a
capital
offense-
and
this
is
from
statute-
which
means
an
aggravating
circumstance
is
present,
then
there
are
more
sentencing
options
and
that's
what
opens
up
the
door
to
the
penalty
options
of.
We
still
have
the
20
to
50
years
in
life,
with
parole
after
20
years
as
options,
but
then
you
get
life
with
possibility,
Pro
after
25
years
and
then
laugh
without
parole
and
then,
of
course,
the
death
penalty.
AA
So
by
Statute
there
are
eight
aggravating
circumstances
that
open
up
that
higher
penalty
range
I
did
shorthand
it
just
a
little
bit
to
make
it
kind
of
faster
to
look
through,
but
the
fence
of
murder
kidnapping
was
committed
by
a
person
with
a
prior
record
of
conviction.
So
that's
someone
with
a
prior
murder
conviction:
they've
had
a
murder
conviction
they
get
out
of
prison,
they
murder
someone
again,
that's
an
aggravating
Circumstance.
The
offensive
murder
kidnapping
was
committed,
while
offender
was
engaged
in
commission
of
art.
AA
We
have
some
that
aren't
as
common
like
number
three
is
using
a
using
webs
weapons
of
mass
destruction.
If
that
were
to
happen,
that
would
be
definitely
eligible.
If
someone
hired
a
hit,
man
that
would
be
definitely
eligible
or
they
would
be,
a
murder
of
a
prison
employee
by
a
prisoner
is
an
aggravating
circumstance.
AA
AA
That's
not
executions,
as
as
far
as
I
could
tell
there's
only
been
three
executions
since
1960
the
most
recent
in
2008
was
a
man
who,
sadly,
during
his
guilty
plea
asked.
Will
you
please
execute
me
as
quickly
as
possible,
so
I
understand?
There
is
a
debate
on
on
whether
there
definitely
should
be
abolished
or
not.
That's
not
what
this
bill
is.
AA
AC
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
members
of
the
committee
long
time
listener.
First
time,
speaker
so
I'll
try
my
best
not
to
talk
over
myself,
but
I
am
a
trial
lawyer
by
trade
and
I.
Do
appreciate
your
time.
I'll!
Try
to
keep
it
brief.
This
case
is
called
kimber's
law
for
a
reason-
and
this
is
because
it's
a
case
that
Mr
Wilson
and
I
actually
prosecuted
together
when
he
was
serving
as
assistant
Commonwealth
Attorney
in
our
jurisdiction
on
August
21st
2019.
That's
a
date
that's
burned
into
my
soul.
AC
I
saw
things
that
you
should
never
have
to
see
and
I
pray
that
you
don't
Kimber
Collins
was
a
three-year-old
little
girl
who
was
beaten
to
death
over
the
course
of
three
hours
by
her
mother's
boyfriend.
When
paramedics
arrived,
she
had
a
Glasgow
Coma
score
of
three
I.
Don't
know
if
you,
if
you're
medical
professionals,
but
that
is
the
worst
it
gets.
AC
She
lived
on
a
ventilator
for
three
days
until
her
mother
had
to
make
the
decision
to
pull
the
plug,
but
when
she
arrived
at
the
hospital
under
our
laws
in
Kentucky,
she
was
legally
dead.
She
did
not
I.
Don't
know
murder
victims
that
deserve
to
die,
but
she
didn't
deserve
that
and
she
didn't
deserve
the
way
she
lived
and
I
had
to
prosecute
this
individual
Mr
Michael
Cody
Huff
under
our
regular
statutory
framework
of
class,
a
felony.
So
no
matter
what
I
did
no
matter.
AC
What
I
proof
I
put
on
I
cannot
guarantee
to
kimber's
mother
that
he
will
not
leave
a
Penitentiary
one
day
and
I.
Think
that's
sad
and
Justice,
and
just
one
brief
comment
on
this.
If
you
look
at
our
aggravating
factors
that
Mr
Wilson
broke
down
for
you,
if
you'd
care
to
go
back
to
the
slide
right
here
is
fine,
we're
failing
Kentucky's
victims
right
now,
there's
only
one
group
of
persons.
AC
All
of
these
aggravating
factors
have
to
do
with
what
a
defendant
was
doing
when
he
committed
the
crime,
and
we
consider
these
the
worst
of
the
worst
criminal
offenses
you
can
commit
in
Kentucky.
The
only
group
of
people
who
are
protected
because
of
who
they
are
are
us
and
look
at
PowerPoint
number.
Seven.
The
victim
was
a
public
official.
If
somebody
kills
me
in
the
parking
lot,
you
can
seek
the
death
penalty
on
that
person
or
life
without
parole
or
life
extended
period.
AC
If
someone
commits
violence
and
results
in
your
death
you're
protected
under
the
law,
children
aren't
the
people
that
still
believe
in
capital
punishment
and
capital
punishment
doesn't
necessarily
represent
the
death
penalty
or
life
without
parole.
The
states
that
do
this
have
this
as
an
aggravating
circumstance
across
the
United
States
of
America.
We're
behind
on
this.
So
I
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration
on
this
bill.
This
is
obviously
something
that's
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
I'll
point.
AC
One
final
detail
out:
most
prosecutors
never
have
to
deal
with
the
intentional
murder
of
an
infant
I
did,
and
it
happened
again
two
weeks
ago
in
Whitley,
County,
so
I'm
once
again,
Prosecuting
someone
who
killed
a
beautiful,
two-year-old
little
girl
in
my
jurisdiction
and
I
we're
just
asking
for
your
help
to
make
this
fight
one
that
we
take
most
serious
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
D
AB
I
Be
a
yes
vote
today,
although
I
do
want
to
say
on
the
record
that
I'm
completely
against
the
death
penalty,.
K
F
I'm,
a
yes
for
today
and
I
would
ditto
the
comments
of
my
colleague.
I
am
against
the
death
penalty,
but
I'm
a
yes
for
today.
P
It
definitely
should
be
for
cases
like
this
and
I
think
it's
also
important
to
say,
as
you
all
mentioned
this,
not
necessarily
about
the
death
penalty,
we
also
have
to
deal
with
parole
issues
on
this,
so
I
definitely
think,
even
even
if
you
have
a
moral
opposition,
the
death
penalty,
it's
it's
absolutely
very
fitting
that
that
a
person
that
commits
such
a
heinous
act
against
a
child
would
not
receive
parole.
Otherwise,
without
this
bill,
my
understanding
of
law
is
that
they
could
be
eligible
for
that.
P
So
I
would
just
encourage
my
colleagues
try
to
get
past.
You
know,
maybe
your
personal
viewpoints
on
the
death
penalty.
Consider
the
really
the
parole
issue
here
that
we're
dealing
with
when
you
decide
to
cast
your
vote
either
in
committee
or
on
the
floor.
T
A
O
I'm,
a
yes
for
today,
I,
like
many
of
my
colleagues,
opposed
the
death
penalty,
but
I
understand
in
situations
where
it's
an
option
and
there's
an
existing
list.
Why?
This
would
need
to
be
added
as
an
aggravating
Factor.
Q
B
A
Q
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
this
bill.
I
was
able
to
have
a
good
conversation
with
the
Bill's
sponsor,
so
thank
you.
I
too,
am
against
the
death
penalty,
but
I
do
feel
like
we
should
put
some
Protections
in
place
for
the
most
vulnerable
of
our
population
and
it
really
is
more
specific
to
parole
eligibility
and
ensuring
that
individuals
who
perpetrate
this
crime
on
children
are
held
responsible,
so
I'm
a
yes.