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B
A
We
do
have
a
quorum
and
we're
authorized
to
do
business.
We
want
to
welcome
everyone
to
this
first
meeting
of
the
2022
regular
session.
A
I
do
want
to
to
recognize
an
intern
that
we
have
tanner
fisher
right
over
here
and
we're
so
glad
to
have
you
and
welcome
back
to
the
rest
of
our
staff
that
has
been
around
for
a
while,
but
certainly
continue
to
do
a
great
job
for
this
committee,
and
we
we
thank
them.
We
couldn't
do
it
without
them.
We
have
one
bill
on
the
agenda
and
I'm
ready
to
go
with
that.
I
think
it
is
house
bill.
195,
representative,
johnson,.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
gooch.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
dj
johnson
state
representative
for
the
13th
district
city
of
onesboro
and
davis
county,
and
I
would
allow
my
guests
to
introduce
themselves
as
well
good.
E
E
This
is
the
the
overall
kentucky
map.
If
you
just
look
at
the
blue
lines,
that's
the
current
pipeline
network
and
then,
if
we're
going
to
break
it
down
to
regions
a
little
bit,
here's
central
kentucky
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
that
area
and
then
eastern
kentucky
and
then
finally
an
area
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
the
greater
orleans
rural
area.
Now,
as
you
look
at
these
maps,
I'd
like
you
to
also
remember
that
just
think
about
the
the
citizens
of
kentucky
that
live
and
work
near
these
pipelines.
E
As
we
see
continuing
growth
and
spiral,
as
we
see
growing
development
in
our
state,
we're
seeing
where
these
pipelines
and
the
developments
are
starting
to
run
together
more
and
more
often,
basically
pipeline
operators.
E
Obviously,
as
kentucky's
population
and
commercial
development
increases,
these
conflicting
interests
are
also
going
to
increase
when
implemented.
This
bill
will
drive
private
sector
collaboration
through
the
planning
and
zoning
process.
This
will
help
ensure
pipeline
operators
are
in
compliance
with
federal
standards,
but
more
important.
It
will
maximize
safety
for
our
kentucky
citizens
so
before
we
get
into
the
language.
E
The
procedures
in
house
bill
195
are
based
in
large
part
upon
the
codifying
of
these
best
practices.
In
short,
this
is
not
language.
We
came
up
with
on
our
own.
It's
the
result
of
a
national
collaborative
effort
if
I
can
dive
into
the
weeds
just
a
little
bit
so
when
a
new
development
of
any
kind
occurs
near
an
interstate
transmission,
pipeline
federal
law
governed
under
the
pipeline
and
hazardous
materials
safety
administration,
which
I
will
attempt
to
call
fisma
from
here
on
out.
I
don't
think
that's
exactly
right,
but
it's
close.
E
There
are
four
different
classes
that
fimsa
regulates
and
they
range
from
class
1,
which
is
the
lowest
population
density
2.
You
probably
guessed
it
class
4,
which
is
the
highest
population
density.
Now
the
importance
of
these
classes
is:
it
provides
a
rough
approximation
of
a
pipeline's
potential
risk
to
public
safety.
E
The
class
location
assigned
to
a
pipeline
segment
affects
the
applicable
design,
construction,
testing,
operation
and
maintenance
practices
for
that
pipeline,
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this.
Pipeline
operators
have
no
choice
in
this
matter
and
they
understand
that
that
being
the
case
house
bill,
195
does
not
restrict
development.
E
What
it
does
is
provide
guidance
for
both
developers
and
property
owners
and
the
pipeline
operators
as
to
timing
and
procedures
for
talking
to
each
other.
Specifically,
it
will
require
developers
to
inform
operators
of
the
intent
to
develop
near
and
existing
pipeline
earlier
in
the
process,
giving
the
operator
time
to
coordinate
with
the
developer.
E
It
applies
only
to
counties
and
municipalities
that
are
governed
by
a
regional
planning
commission
for
purposes
of
approving
resident
and
non-residential
developments.
This
currently
applies
to
57
of
the
120
counties
in
kentucky,
and
finally,
it
provides
legal
safeguards
for
planning
and
zoning
commissions
with
respect
to
the
data
they
provide
to
developers
and
operators.
E
What
this
bill
does
not
do.
It
does
not
allow
new
exemptions
related
to
the
underground
facility
damage
prevention,
act,
kentucky
811
and
it
does
not
give
planning
commissions
the
authority
to
restrict
developments
because
of
pipeline
locations
and
then
one
final
point
in
octo
in
october,
we
invited
the
liquid
petroleum
industry
to
be
included
in
this
bill.
We
recently
heard
from
them
that
they
are
interested
in
doing
so,
so
we
will
probably
have
a
floor
amendment
to
bring
the
liquid
petroleum
industry
into
this
bill.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
and
a
second
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
allow,
since
this
is
the
only
bill
we
have.
I
want
to
offer
some
other
folks
a
chance
to
say
something.
A
G
And
I
appreciate
the
opportunity:
it's
it's
good
to
be
back
in
front
of
the
committee.
Sometimes
the
best
testimony
is
the
testimony
that
one
doesn't
give
and
so
I'd.
Unless
there
are
questions,
I
think
that
that
the
sponsor
has
has
more
than
adequately
described
the
the
effect
of
the
bill.
G
Everyone
has
an
interest
in
reducing
the
likelihood
of
accidental
damage
to
gas
pipelines
from
development,
and
this
does
nothing
more
than
than
to
take
that
concept
of
a
consultation
zone
that
was
created
by
this
collaborative
process
and
put
it
into
kentucky
law.
G
So
while
there
may
be
some
tweaks
to
it
as
it
progresses
through
the
the
process,
the
concept
is
a
sound
concept
and
it's
fully
consistent
with
what
the
fimsha,
the
department
of
transportation
and
the
industry
and
citizens
have
recognized
as
best
practices
in
terms
of
requiring
that
consultation
between
developers
and
pipeline
operators
in
order
to
protect
the
pipelines
from
third-party
encroachment
and
also
to
assure
that
development
incorporates
those
design
features
that
would
minimize
public
safety
or
environmental
risks,
for
example,
not
citing
hard
to
evacuate
buildings
within
the
consultation
zone.
G
That
sort
of
thing,
so
you
know
we
all
encourage
local
governments
to
use
the
powers
that
the
general
assembly
has
given
them
to
to
address
these
sorts
of
local
issues,
and
this
does
nothing
but
but
direct
those
those
local
planning
commissions
to
consider
this
very
important
public
safety
and
pipeline
safety
issue.
So
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
the
sponsor
bringing
the
bill
forward.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Thank
you
tom,
and
I
appreciate
your
comments
on
the
bill.
Does
this
bill
on
on
a
scale
of
one
to
ten,
with
one
being
the
least
like
in
10
being
the
most
likely
would
this
if
this
bill
passes,
would
it
encourage
you
to
shine
your
shoes.
G
Mr
chairman,
we'll
have
to
tell
that
story
for
the
newer
members
of
the
committee,
but
this
is
definitely
on
the
upper
end
of
the
spectrum.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
tom
and,
of
course,
that
that,
mr
chairman,
is
nothing
of
values.
There's
no
risk
there
that
I'm
violating
the,
because
that
those
shoes
are
nothing
of
value
either.
For
that
matter.
Okay,.
F
F
Whenever
there's
a
new
development
that
occurs,
you
know
we're
already
getting
informed
if
there's
a
easement
or
a
right
of
way
along
our
existing
pipelines,
but
if
it's
within
the
660
feet
corridor
adjacent
to
our
pipelines,
we're
currently
not
notified
about
that,
and
so
this
communication
tool
really
allows
us
to
be
notified
early
in
the
process
when
there's
a
new
development
occurring
and
then
from
there
work
with
the
person
developing
the
property.
So
it's
something
we're
very
interested
in.
F
We
operate
in
about
45
of
the
120
counties
and
we
represented
approximately
25
of
the
total
natural
gas
transmission
pipelines
in
the
state.
So
really
supportive
of
the
bill
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
tc
energy
to
be
here
today.
D
D
C
Thank
you
so
much
chairman
representative
johnson.
My
question
relates
to
section
one
subject
section:
one
c
where
a
person
is
defined
to
include
corporation
and
association
with
this
bill,
are
we
defining
a
person
as
an
entity?
I
just
need
to
get
some
clarity
on
that
definition.
E
I
think
with
with,
and
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
so
I
have
to
caveat
that,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
identify
anyone
who
might
be
a
property
owner
or
a
developer
within
the
area
of
the
segment
of
the
pipeline,
so
an
individual
would
be
considered
an
entity
at
that
time,
for
I
think
for
the
purposes
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
just
curious,
representative
johnson.
Why
just
50
counties
50,
I
forget
the
number
50
something
counties
of
120
right.
Why
would
this
just
be
effective
in
that
number?
Is
it
not
needed
in
the
other
counties
or.
E
It
is
needed
in
the
other
counties.
The
reason
there's
57
counties
is
because
currently
that's
the
number
of
counties
that
actually
have
a
an
official
planning
or
zoning
commission,
and
we
are
working
on
steps
to
include
the
remainder
of
the
counties
of
the
state.
But
the
the
the
operational
aspect
of
this
bill
is
that
we
want
to
go
through
planning
and
zoning.
So
we
have
a
local
entity,
that's
paying
attention
and
understands
what's
going
on
and
can
coordinate
between
the
pipeline
operators
and
developers.
E
So
there
are
some
areas
that
just
don't
have
those
commissions,
and
I
would
turn
that
over
to
mr
babbage,
I
think,
but
we
are
working
on
a
process
to
include
all
of
the
counties
in
the
state.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
F
Yeah-
and
I
might
actually
answer
that,
if
that's
okay,
you
know,
there's
generally
a
a
large
correlation,
you
know
with
development
occurring
in
a
community
where
there's
already
a
planning
commission,
so
that's
more
likely
where
there's
actually
going
to
be
a
circumstance
where
this
could
be
happening,
because
if
the
community
is
developing,
they
likely
already
have
the
planning
commission
in
place
to
be
able
to
to
plan
for
the
future.
So
there's
a
good
correlation
for
where
we
see
the
potential
for
for
this
to
have
issues
in
the
future.
A
C
C
E
C
A
Let
me
just
clarify,
of
course
I
was
joking
earlier
with
my
friend
tom
fitzgerald,
and
I
probably
have
chaired
this
community
for
around
23
years,
or
so
I'm
I've
actually
lost
track,
and
for
many
years
there
he
had
a
pair
of
shoes
that
he
wore
and
he
said
he
wasn't
going
to
shine
those
shoes
or
polish
those
shoes
until
some
good
environmental
legislation
was
passed,
so
we've
had
a
lot
of
fun
with
that
over
the
years
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
him
again
this
year.