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A
B
A
President
of
the
room:
do
we
have
quorum?
Yes,
all
right,
I
need
a
motion
for
the
approval
of
our
minutes.
Motion
by
senator
wheeler
have
a
second.
We
don't
need
one
for
it.
We
don't
need
the
okay.
No
minutes
need
to
be
approved.
We
have
a
very
busy
agenda.
So
if
you
please
forgive
me
for
the
pace
we're
going
to
try
to
move
very
quickly,
I
have
something
unique
for
the
members
of
this
committee.
A
A
They
approached
me
I
guess
late
last
week,
they've
got
a
plight
going
on
that's
going
to
if
we're
not
able
to
find
some
sort
of
resolve
for
them.
It's
gonna
create
the
layoff
of
some
176
miners
from
what
they're
they're
telling
us,
and
obviously
that
gets
our
attention.
There's
not
many
minors
left,
so
I'm
going
to
let
them
come
up
and
tell
you
what's
going
on
with
them
and
tell
you
how
they
think
we
can
help
them.
So,
gentlemen,
please
come
to
the
table
and
identify
yourself
our
records.
Please.
D
D
D
D
Where
we
sit
today
is
we
we've
acquired
complex
properties
that
had
complex
challenges
from
an
environmental
standpoint,
these
companies
were
in
bankruptcy,
they
didn't
have
the
capital
to
meet
their
obligations
and
and
due
to
that
there
we
had
to
clean
up
some
of
the
messes
that
our
predecessors
have
created.
As
a
company,
we've
never
impacted.
We've,
we've
net
impacted
less
than
eight
acres
of
land
in
the
state
of
kentucky
we've
reclaimed
and
gotten
bond
releases
on
over
seven
thousand
acres.
D
It's
applicator
violator
system,
where,
if
you
have
a
co
non-compliance
with
the
state
and
it's
not
reclaimed
in
a
certain
period
of
time,
you
have
to
get
that
you
have
to
get
your,
you
get
a
co
and
you
go
on
the
applicator
violator
system.
We've
had
that
and
we've
a
lot
of
the
companies
we've
had.
We've
had
a
lot
of
issues
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
reclaim
as
fast
we've
acquired
48
million
viability.
D
Now
we're
down
to
the
latest
issues
that
have
us
blocked
on
the
abs
and
billy
shelton.
Our
attorneys
clarify
this
is
three
issues
out
of
those
three
issues
we
had
one
of
them
abated.
Last
week,
we've
had
the
other
one
abated
that's
going
to
be.
We
have
one
of
the
other
ones,
that's
going
to
be
abated
in
the
next
two
weeks
and
then
the
third
one
is
an
issue
we're
dealing
with
a
local
landowner
because
of
his
cattle.
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What
we're
asking
for
is
to
let
an
operator,
an
independent
operator
of
us,
that's
not
on
the
avs
list,
operate
that
mine
to
maintain
the
base
load
order,
so
those
176
people
can
go
to
work.
They
can
go
to
work
immediately
over
in
that
in
pike
county.
We
have
another
mind
that
we
can
start
up.
We
have
orders
for
today
we
can
start
up
another
76
jobs.
We
don't
want
the
economic
benefits
from
the
mind,
we'll
we'll
focus
on
the
reclamation.
D
All
we're
asking
for
is.
We
can
let
our
independent
operator
who's
not
on
the
avs
list
to
be
able
to
operate
on
that
permit,
which
has
been
done
hundreds
of
times
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
let
them
create
those
jobs,
let
them
produce
that
met
carbon.
That
goes
into
the
steel
industry,
which
is
going
to
fund
our
infrastructure
for
our
green
infrastructure
bill
that
hopefully
gets
passed
here
and
fulfill
the
orders
that
we
have
today.
D
We've
given
this
the
perry
county
community
between
land,
betterment
and
american
resources,
we
have
clearly
stated
to
them
a
commitment
to
create
over
500
jobs
in
perry
county
over
the
next
two
years.
We
have
the
capital
to
do
it.
As
a
nasdaq-listed
public
company,
we've
raised
over
13
million
dollars
in
the
last
year.
We
have
86
million
dollars
of
available
capital
to
us.
Land
betterment
has
50
million
dollars
of
capital.
We
can
invest
into
the
state
today,
as
a
public
company.
D
We
also
just
announced
we've
closed
a
spec
100
million
dollars
that
we're
looking
at
land
properties
to
reinvent
the
community,
to
create
sustainable
jobs,
to
create
jobs
that
can
last
for
a
long
time
in
this
community
for
people
that
need
them.
Why
do
we
do
it?
I'm
I
was
born
in
indiana,
lived
in
new
york
and
moved
and
came
down
to
kentucky
in
2006..
D
What
I
saw
in
kentucky
was
some
of
the
strongest
workforce
in
the
region
in
the
country.
These
people
want
jobs
and
they
want
to
work
hard
for
them
and
they
want
to
create
economic
stability
for
the
region
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
my
public
company
today
is
owned
by
its
shareholders.
It's
owned
by
my
team.
I'm
an
investor,
my
eastern
kentucky
employees
are
investors.
The
management
team
is
built
by
people
in
that
community.
D
D
Let
my
independent
operator
go
in
there
and
operate
perry
county.
I
don't
need
the
economic
benefit
for
it.
I'll
spend
the
next
month
cleaning
up
more
reclamation
liability
that
our
predecessors
created,
and
by
doing
that,
then
I
could
take
back
over
the
mine
and
I
get
I'll
get
the
economic
benefit
at
that
point.
But
right
now
we're
at
risk
of
losing
176
jobs
in
perry,
county
and
another
76
jobs
in
pike
county
and
losing
my
commitment
of
ability
to
create
500
jobs
in
perry
county
over
the
next
two
years.
D
All
we're
asking
is
let
the
independent
operator
operate.
Let
me
focus
on
cleaning
up
these
reclamation
liabilities
and
on
those
properties
creating
new
industry.
Through
my
land
betterment
company,
tire
recycling.
I
have
the
commitments
to
build
it
today:
eco
homes,
building
an
alternative
to
double
wide
trailers
that
are
more
energy,
efficient
and
lower
costs
for
the
homeowner
to
live
in
I'm
building
them,
I'm
building
them
with
my
own
capital,
my
own
company's
capital,
we're
not
asking
the
labor
force
to
do
it
either.
We
want
to
provide
them
a
better
place
to
live.
D
That
company
was
started.
We
had
an
employee
that
had
a
600
utility
bill
from
his
double-wide
trailer,
that's
not
sustainable,
so
we
came
up
with
a
solution
and
we
get.
We
got
the
funding
to
build
these,
where
he
would
have
a
net
zero
utility
bill
by
putting
solar
panels
on
it.
American
resources
we
control
today,
16
patents
and
permits
for
our
american
rare
earth
division,
a
division.
D
We
started
on
embarking
on
in
eastern
kentucky
four
years
ago
today,
we've
licensed
technology
from
ohio,
university,
purdue
university,
penn,
state
university,
arkansas,
university
and
texas
tech
university
to
employ
those
technologies
in
the
state
of
kentucky
to
be
able
to
showcase
that
we
can
produce
critical
elements
in
the
united
states.
Today,
president
biden
just
just
signed
an
executive
order
to
focus
on
critical
helmets.
It's
a
major
problem.
We
have.
If
we're
going
to
build
a
green
economy,
we
need
critical
elements.
We
need
to
be
able
to
produce
it
here
domestically
and
rely
upon
it.
D
A
Second,
I
have
one
question
that
I'm
going
to
ask
one
first,
so
walk
us
through
the
crux
of
what
what
can
our
committee
do
when
I,
when
you
all
had
talked
to
me
first
part
of
la
or
later
part
of
last
week,
our
concern
was
about
time
was
an
element
and
if
we're
not
able
to
be
able
to
get
this
resolved
the
work
losing
of
a
workforce-
and
I
will
tell
you
something
I
you
know-
I
don't
know
when
the
last
time
we
had
a
coal
miner
down
here,
protesting
because
they've
all
lost
their
jobs
and
we've
closed
318
coal
mines
in
the
shortest
period
of
time
in
all
history,
we've
all
seen
the
fallout
from
it.
A
D
Yes,
sir,
we'll
get
dnr
to
let
me
name
my
independent
operator
to
mine
that
permit
and
work
with
us
on
an
agreed
order,
but
in
the
meantime
I
will
focus
on
the
reclamation.
My
company
will
do
that.
Let
my
independent
operator
operate
on
that
permit.
Today
it's
been
done
in
the
past
and
it
can
be
done
again
he's
independent
from
us
there's
political
roadblocks
locally
from
people
that
don't
want
to
see
it
happen.
But
all
I'm
asking
for
is
to
let
my
independent
operator
put
those
176
jobs
to
work.
A
A
Okay,
when
I
get
after
matt
cass
and
senator
cass,
and
ask
this
question,
I'm
going
to
yield
back
to
you
and
you
can
kind
of
bring
us
up
to
speed
on
what
what's
going
on
and
what
we
all
can
do
to
to
try
to
help
this
move
forward.
So
I'm
gonna
yield
to
senator
kassin
right
now.
B
A
All
right,
very
good.
Thank
you
all
right.
Gentlemen.
Thank
you
all
for
talking
at
this
point.
Right
now
it
doesn't
mean
it's
over
with.
We
are
going
to
have
to
stick
to
pretty
tight
schedule.
Gordon
I've
already
identified
you-
and
I
know
you
so
at
this
time
gordon
sloan
I'll
yield
it
to
you.
You
guys
have
about
eight
minutes.
If
that's
okay,
thanks.
F
I
think
we
can
do
a
lot
better
than
that.
Thank
you,
chairman
smith,
members
of
the
committee
secretary
goodman,
sends
her
regrets
today
for
having
a
scheduling
conflict
that
kept
her
from
appearing.
As
chairman
said,
I'm
gordon
sloan,
commissioner
department
for
natural
resources.
I
also
have
some
members
of
my
team
available
today.
If
the
committee
needs
institutional
knowledge
that
I
may
not
have
I'm
from
martin
county
in
eastern
kentucky,
I've
worked
in
underground
mines
and
on
surface
coal
mines.
I
know
what
good
paying
coal
jobs
mean
to
the
men
and
women
of
eastern
kentucky.
F
F
A
company
can't
be
issued
a
permit
arc
and
its
subsidiaries
have
outstanding
failure
to
abate
cessation
orders
in
both
kentucky
and
indiana
that
have
rendered
arc
blocked
in
the
avs
system,
and
that
system
is
maintained
by
the
office
of
service
mining
reclamation
and
enforcement
or
osmre,
and
that
essentially
keeps
track.
As
we
said,
of
coal
companies,
failure
to
base
cessation
orders,
state
civil
penalties
and
federal
fees
across
the
united
states.
F
F
F
F
A
A
This
is
big,
expensive,
stuff
and
anytime
you're
doing
reclamation
you're
not
moving
any
coal
you're,
not
making
any
money,
so
it's
expensive,
but
it
has
to
be
done,
and
so,
if
this
company,
if
that
was
the
issue,
agreed
to
step
forward
and
meet
the
demands
of
an
agreed
contract,
would
that
not
be
the
best
way
forward
and
also
again
at
first
glance
of
it?
I
looked
at
the
permit
block
that
looked
like
that
was
put
on
to
by
the
previous
owners
of
this
property.
F
No
sir
arc
has
subsidiaries
dean
mining,
not
county
cole,
samuel
cole
company,
et
cetera,
who
had
these
violations
these
mining
violations
prior
to
the
time
that
they
got
the
perry
county,
complex,
permit
or
at
least
purchase
the
permit.
A
Okay
and
then
I
have
a
couple
of
my
members-
have
got
questions
real,
quick
in
the
effort
of
time,
and
then
you
guys
will
be
able
to
respond.
Senator
caslin,
please.
B
Mark
I
appreciate
your
your
presentation
and
your
passion
for
the
mining
industry.
I
I
represent
davis,
mclean
and
hancock
county
and
we've
lost
almost
every
one
of
our
minds
in
the
west
and
and
we
feel
that
as
well
and
you
know,
I
would
hope
that
the
state
you
know
being
a
business
owner
as
well.
Sometimes,
if
we're
not
careful,
we
regulate
ourselves
out
of
jobs,
and
I
agree
with
what
chairman
smith
said:
that
we
would
never
ask
anybody
to
do
anything.
B
That's
outside
the
law,
but
also
realize
that
you're,
a
taxpaying
citizen
and
the
government
operates
because
you
pay
taxes
and
that's
where
we
get
our
funds
to
operate
on,
and
so
you
know,
I
would
hope
that
that
they
can
reach
an
agreement
with
you
all
to
save
these
jobs
to
keep
the
business
open,
because
in
the
end
the
state
still
has
the
liability.
If
you
are
there
or
not,
and
so
I
would
really
hope
that
we
can
kind
of
come
to
some
kind
of
an
agreement
to
get
you
all
open
and
benefit
perry
county.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
agree
with
your
comments
and
senator
caslin's
comments.
You
know
my
region
has
been
economically
devastated
by
the
loss
and
coal
jobs
over
the
last
10
years
and
I
would
think
mr
sloan
being
a
martin
county,
and
I
think
that
county
has
probably
suffered
as
much
as
any
of
my
district
from
the
loss
of
of
coal
jobs.
G
G
F
Thank
you
for
the
question,
essentially
not
as
I
mentioned.
Even
if
we
came
to
an
agreed
order
on
the
violations
that
exist
in
kentucky,
there
would
still
be
violations
that
exist
in
indiana
and
from
the
federal
program.
So
we
essentially
like
I
said,
even
if
we
came
to
an
agreement
and
what's
typically
called
an
agreed
order,
osm
and
the
avs
system
would
not
allow
us
to
put
them
to
work.
A
G
Is
there
any
way
of
bringing
the
federal
authorities
in
on
this,
so
that
we
could
maybe
proceed,
because
I
think,
as
senator
caslin
stated,
if
these
obligations
I
mean
the
state
is
going
to
get
stuck
with
them?
If,
if,
if,
if
these
guys,
don't
get
working
and
get
the
capital,
they
need
to
pay
these
fines
and
violations,
I
mean:
is
there
a
way
that
we
could
jointly
work
with
the
federal
authorities
to
permit
these
people
to
get
to
work.
F
We've
had
discussions
with
our
local
lexington
office
of
osmre
and
they
are
very
adamant
about
the
the
need
to
correct
the
violations
and
pay
the
penalties
that
are
existing
on
the
avs
system.
I
wish
we
could.
We
obviously
want
minors
to
be
working,
but
because
of
these
violations
and
the
system
that's
set
up
to
prevent
violators
from
going
from
one
operation
to
another.
A
Yield
you
you,
gentlemen,
have
heard
the
discussion
here.
Would
you
all
like
to
respond.
D
D
At
the
end
of
the
day
when
we,
when
we
showed
up
at
the
whittaker,
cold
bankruptcy,
the
cambrian,
cold
bankruptcy,
the
state
showed
up
as
well
and
they
said
they
would
work
with
us.
They
said
we
were
permit
blocked.
Then
they
said
they
would
work
with
us.
We
operated
the
mine
under
the
permit
operating
agreement
which
was
assigned
to
us
by
the
bankruptcy
we're
at
we're,
not
asking
to.
D
Let
us
mind
the
call
I'm
asking
to
bring
an
independent
contractor
in
which
we
can
assign
the
rights
to
under
our
permit
operating
agreement,
which
we
acquired
by
the
federal
bankruptcy
court
to
enable
us
to
operate,
to
enable
us
to
name
who's
going
to
operate
there.
We
want
that
contractor
to
be
operating,
we'll
focus
on
reclamation.
I
get
no
economic
benefit.
My
interest
would
be
to
reclaim
those
properties
as
quick
as
I
can
so
I
can
take
over
the
economic
benefit
once
we're
done.
D
These
mines
are
now
positioned.
I've
invested
over
10
million
dollars
of
capital
into
perry
county
complex
to
get
it
back
to
a
state
of
sustainability
for
the
steel
industry.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
state
said:
they'd
work
with
us,
we're
willing
to
work
with
them
on
reclamation.
I'm
going
to
work,
do
more
reclamation
than
I
have
on
my
own
jobs.
I've
done
reclamation
for
other
companies.
A
D
D
If
we
lose
that
order,
we
can't
sit
on
another.
We
can't
sit
on
200
000
a
week
for
the
next
year
until
another
baseload
order
comes
around.
If
we
lose
it,
the
mine's
done
the
workforce
is
done
and
we'll
reclaim
the
property
we'll
cut
up
the
material
and
there'll
be
no
jobs
created
in
perry
county
for
the
next.
In
that
ever
nobody's
going
to
put
the
amount
of
capital
it
takes
to
get
that
mine
back
up
and
running
again.
H
D
There's
two
issues:
an
agreed
order
would
have
to
be
done
through
our
indiana
mine,
which
we're
fully
reclaiming
we're
about
70
percent
of
the
way
done
right
now
and
state
of
kentucky
which
we
can
get
if
we,
if
the
state
of
kentucky
would
give
us
an
agreed
or
I
can
get
state
of
indiana.
I
met
with
the
governor
number
two
in
the
governor's
office
and
he
said
he
would
give
us
an
agreed
order,
they're
lobbying
back
against
each
other
they're
using
each
other
as
the
bad
guys
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
want.
D
If
we
can
get
a
great
order
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
I
can
get
an
agreed
order
in
indiana.
Completely
separate
issue,
though,
to
mitigate
the
whole
problem
is,
don't
give
me
an
agreed
order.
Let
me
just
get
my
reclamation
done
and
let
me
focus
and
let
my
independent
operator
who's,
not
abs,
block,
operate
on
the
mind
and
create
the
jobs,
there's
two
solutions
to
the
problem
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
what
it
is,
though,
is
it's
every
time
we
talk
to
indiana,
they
say
talk
to
kentucky
every
time
we
talk.
D
Talking
they
say
talk
to
indiana
we're
not
creating
new
jobs
in
indiana,
it's
a
pure
reclamation
job.
We
bought
it
for
the
reclamation
we
took
it
over.
We
put
a
million
dollars
out
of
a
million
three
to
reclaim
it.
It's
almost
done,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
it's
it's
about
jobs
here,
it's
about
jobs
in
kentucky
our
investment,
our
150
million
dollars,
we're
putting
to
work.
We
want
to
put
it
to
work
in
kentucky,
not
at
our
west
virginia
complexes
in
kentucky,
because
we,
this
is
our
workforce.
D
H
Well,
I
think
senator
smith,
mr
chairman,
if
you
don't
care,
he
brought
this
to
here
today
on
last
minute,
because
he
knows
how
important
the
issue
is,
and
he
knows
that
if
he
can
bring
both
parties
together
and
maybe
somebody
at
the
at
the
federal
level
if
we
have
to
that,
he
can
try
to
get
something
accomplished,
and
I
think
that
was
the
point
of
the
meeting
and
to
bring
this
to
light.
H
So
everybody
understands
the
importance
of
it
and
what
you
guys
are
trying
to
do
and
and
hopefully
make
sure
that
the
cabinet
is
trying
to
do
everything
they
can
to
work
with
you
to
try
to
get
this
accomplished.
So
I
know
that
he'll,
with
his
due
diligence
he'll
continue
to
work
on
the
process.
So
we
appreciate
you
all
coming
today.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
senator
carpenter.
We
are
getting
close
on
time,
but
gordon,
can
you
still
hear
me
or
mr
smith,
I
apologize.
I
don't
mean
to
take
familiarities
with
you.
Gordon.
Have
you
evaluated
jensen's
authority
from
the
bankruptcy
court
to
see
whether
or
not
it
provides
them
with
the
ability
of
putting
in
an
the
authority
to
put
in
another
operator.
F
Our
legal
team
has
senator
and
unfortunately
because
the
ark
is
abs
blocked.
We
simply
can't
do
that.
I
should
also
mention
that
arc
has
sued
us
as
recently
as
this
week
and
perry
county
resort
in
perry
county
to
to
try
to
get
this
matter
resolved
as
well.
A
Well,
I
will
say
one
of
the
greatest
frustrations
that
I
have
is
that
the
call
all
the
complexities
of
it
is
hard
for
people
to
try
to
follow
with
all
the
smacker
and
all
the
different
acronyms
we
use
and
the
history
just
it's
tough,
but
what
I
hate
is
inside
of
all.
That
is
a
shell
game
that
gets
played
with
a
lot
of
these
industries
where
one
person
points
a
finger
at
the
other.
A
So
it
puts
us
in
a
true
predicament,
and
let
me
let
me
ask
you
this:
as
we
wrap
up
here.
What's
the
longest,
you
guys
have
to
be
able
to
hold
on
before
you
have
to
make
a
critical
decision.
A
A
What
can
you
tell
this
committee
about
whether
or
not
it's
realistic
for
you
all
to,
because
you
can't
get
to
osm
until
you
guys
get
your
stuff
clear?
That's
just
part
of
the
shell
game.
We
won't
know
we
can
guess
and
theorize
about
what
osm
will
do,
but
until
you
actually
get
there
we
don't
know.
A
So
I'm
asking
the
cabinet
if
they
could,
if
they're,
willing
to
go
at
this
from
a
different
direction
and
sit
down
and
work
on
an
agreed
order
and
I'll
say
to
you
all
these
agreed
orders
are
not
easy.
I
mean
I've
like
I
said,
I've
done,
reclamation
work
and
that's
the
expensive
part
of
the
job.
So
if
the
cabinet
gives
you
something,
maybe
they'd
be
distasteful
and
cost
you
all
some
money
cut
into
profits.
A
A
But
with
that
said,
gordon
walk
me
through
this.
What
what
can
we
do?
What
are
you
all
willing
to
do.
F
F
We've
given
them
slide,
shows
powerpoint
presentations,
all
the
information
that
we
can,
but
we
as
the
cabinet
can't
actually
go
out
there
and
do
that
work.
We
have
to
rely
on
them
to
do
it
and
right
now.
I
think
we
have
about
13
violations
here
in
kentucky
that
that
we
need
to
have
corrected.
A
Yeah-
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
you
and
I
both
know
that
I
could
have
a
pond
on
my
property
that
needs
to
be
dipped,
and
it's
rained
for
two
or
three
weeks
and
to
put
a
piece
of
equipment
in
there
is
going
to
do
more
environmental
damage
than
it
is
for
me
to
do
it,
and
so
we've
held
off
and
set
some
of
that
stuff
in
a
desk
drawer
until
it
dried
up
enough
to
let
a
coal
company
go
in
there
and
dip
those
ponds
and
get
it
clean
and
everybody's
happy
that
the
environment's
much
more
protected
to
do
it.
A
That
way,
it's
easier
to
do
a
good
pond
to
put
your
your
feel
in,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
smarter
way
for
us
to
do
it,
but
I'm
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
what
what
you
guys
have
done
in
the
past.
I'm
trying
to
look
for
a
way
forward
and,
and
things
aren't
the
same
anymore.
I
mean
this
whole
economy's
changed.
A
The
way
that
we
do
businesses
change
the
way
that
you
all
do
business
is
going
to
have
to
change
going
forward
because
we
don't
have
the
old
coal
companies
that
scopa
had
years
ago.
When
we
had
an
office
in
lexington
and
had
great
dinners
and
you
had
105
members,
those
days
are
gone
and
if
we
don't
adapt,
if
our
cabinet
doesn't
adapt,
then
we're
gonna.
The
downturn
for
the
what's
left
in
the
coal
economy
is
gonna,
be
worse
than
what
it
is
right
now,
which
is
saying
a
lot.
A
So
I
I
I
would
encourage
you
all
a
matter
of
fact.
I'm
going
to
entertain
a
motion
guys
to
ask
the
cabinet
motion
that
you
all
get
back
with
us
in
a
period
of
10
business
days.
Is
that
okay
with
you
all,
because
it's
getting
kind
of
late
in
the
week,
but
but
in
10
business
days
you
all
report
back
to
this
committee.
A
If
it's
the
will
of
this
committee
and
and
tell
us,
what's
happened
to
this
group
and
what's
been
done
on
the
cabinet's
position,
because
you
all
represent
us
to
try
to
do
everything
it
can
to
prevent
us
from
losing
this
job.
So
I've
made
a
motion
if
the
committee's,
so
I
have
a
second
all
those
in
favor
sign
of
I
all
those
opposed
likewise
so,
hopefully
men,
that's
we've
run
out
of
time.
A
F
Well,
our
regulations
descend
from
the
statutes
themselves,
so
we
do
have
our
statutes
that
are
in
keras,
500,
501,
etc,
and
then
we
also
have
our
apartment
350.
And
then
we
have
our
regulations
that
are
provided
for
under
the
statute.
B
B
Mr
chairman,
another
thing
we
need
to
maybe
ask
the
cabinet
to
attempt
to
look
at
is
perhaps
a
waiver
type
emergency
regulation.
Thank
you.
A
A
We're
going
to
have
to
wrap
up
move
on
to
our
next
presenter.
So
thank
you
walt.
D
A
C
A
B
Glasses
out,
so
I
can
see
my
notes
here,
I'm
here
today
to
ask
for
your
support
for
senate
bill
172..
It's
a
house
cleaning
bill
that
makes
some
changes
in
our
dig
law
to
comply
with
federal
regulations
to
keep
their
grant
funding
going.
A
E
I'm
I'm
sorry,
mr
chairman.
This
is
linda
bridwell,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
public
service.
Commission.
I'm
sorry,
I
couldn't
see
what
was
happening
with
the
chairman,
so
I
apologize
again.
Thank
you
for
hearing
us
today,
we'll
be
quick.
My
name
is
linda
bridwell,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
public
service
commission.
Just
to
give
you
a
brief
overview.
The
pipeline
and
hazardous
material
safety
administration
is
responsible
for
regulating
and
ensuring
the
safe
and
secure
movement
of
hazardous
materials
by
all
modes
of
transportation,
including
pipeline.
H
A
question
so
is
this:
is
you
saying
this
is
a
correlation
with
eight
one
one
or
a
one,
one
issues
now
that
we
have
or
what's
it
is
this
tied
to
something
different.
E
It
is
tied
to
the
federal
funding
of
the
pipeline
and
hazardous
material
safety
administration.
This
is
simply
a
cleanup
in
the
statute
there
are.
There
is
at
least
one
other
bill
that
is
over
in
the
house
right
now.
That
has
some
other
eight
one
one,
but
this
is
in
the
811
bill,
but
this
is
simply
a
one
sentence:
change
to
clean
up
the
statute
to
close
the
loophole
or
I'm
sorry,
it's
not
a
loophole,
but
a
potential
exemption
for
reporting
damage
that
this
will
eliminate.
H
Okay,
because
senator
hornbeck
and
I
have
been
working
with
8-1-1
for
several
years,
trying
to
get
this
cleaned
up,
because
I'm
in
the
business,
where
we're
digging
digging
utility
lines
and
having
to
call
8-1-1
and
all
that
stuff.
H
So
I
was
just
curious
because,
right
now
how
all
the
community
agencies
don't
have
to
report
it's
a
nightmare
for
a
guy
like
me,
who's
trying
to
dig
across
a
property
and
you
have
to
call
8-1-1
and
then
you
have
to
call
four
other
utilities
who
don't
correspond
and
are
regulated
under
8-1-1,
and
so
we're
trying
to
clean
that
up
and
we
don't
get.
We
can't
get
much
traction
because
a
lot
of
the
municipals
and
utility
companies
don't
always
know
where
their
properties
are.
H
So
they
love
for
a
guy
like
me
to
hit
it
to
help
them
find
it,
and
then
they
charge
me
a
fee
for
helping
them
find
it.
And
so
that's
why
I
was
bringing
that
to
our
attention
to
make
sure
we
all
understand
it.
But
I
understand
that's
not
necessarily
part
of
this
issue,
but
it
is
part
of
a
bigger
issue.
A
B
Mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
possibly
ask
for
a
question
you
use
the
word
cleanup.
Could
you
give
us
a
little
bit
of
explanation
of
that?
I'm
I'm
like
him.
I
every
now
and
then
use
an
excavator.
I
don't
wanna
avoid
brothers
do
and
when
you
use
the
word
cleanup,
could
you
explain
a
little
bit?
I
read
the
language,
but
I
haven't
read
all
of
367
and
the
section's
applicable
so
try
to
take
a
short
paragraph.
E
Okay,
I
will
try
and
make
this
short.
There
is
simply
in
the
state
regulations
under
the
statute,
a
potential
exemption
for
reporting
damage
to
hazardous
underground
facilities,
and
so
this
statute
change
just
simply
eliminates
the
possibility
of
any
exemption
for
reporting
damage
to
underground
facilities,
and
that
is
simply
to
maintain
the
fins
of
compliance.
The
pipeline
hazardous
materials,
safety,
administration,
compliance.
B
F
A
Hi
the
motion
is
reported
favorable.
Thank
you
very
much
guys.
We
appreciate
that.
Congratulations
on
getting
your
your
bill
out
of
here
last
thing
on
our
agenda.
Oh,
let's,
let's
hold
off
on
consent
right
now.
It's
okay!
A
A
Yeah
you
have
to
get
up
on
the
floor.
All
right,
guys,
listen!
The
last
one
we're
going
to
do
is
senate
bill
255.
for
those
of
you,
members
that
have
been
here
for
a
little
while
you
remember
back
in
2015,
kentucky
was
one
of
18
states
that
offered
a
statewide
commercial
orientated
tax
and
senate
program.
A
This
was
to
create
incentives
for
energy
independence,
which
we
call
the
energy
independence
act
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
It
helped
us
create
facilities,
refurbished
facilities
and
create
refill
facilities.
Excuse
me
with
renewable
energy
sources
as
the
driving
force
behind
that,
and
what
happened
is,
as
we
put
this
together,
really
tremendous
bill.
People
still
refer
to
it
as
house
bill,
one
it
was
never
utilized.
A
So
we
put
a
lot
of
really
neat
things
into
place
to
drive
this
industry
and
while
people
loved
it-
and
we
got
a
lot
of
words
about
it-
nobody
actually
took
us
up
on
it
fast
forward
to
now.
There's
a
new
sector,
that's
using
a
tremendous
amount
of
power
and
that
that
is
mining
for
bitcoin,
that's
tied
into
the
blockchain
industry.
This
committee's
probably
more
familiar
with
it
than
anybody.
A
Since
we've
handled
the
bulk
of
blockchain
legislation
and
both
chambers,
what
we
did
with
this
bill
is:
we
have
got
companies
that
are
spreading
across
the
country
and
they
really
like
kentucky
because
as
these
coal
companies
and
other
businesses
have
closed,
this
creates
surplus
power,
and
so
the
power
companies
are
stuck
with
either
raising
your
bills,
which
we've
seen
or
finding
places
that
use
it.
When
you
mine
for
bitcoin,
imagine
something
the
size
of
an
airplane,
hanger
filled
with
nothing
but
hard
drives.
A
As
far
as
you
can
see
that
work
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
when
they
burn
out,
they
simply
swap
them
out
and
put
another
one
in.
It's
amazing
what
they're
doing
it's
part
of
the
future,
but
it
uses
a
lot
of
power
and
I'm
happy
that
it
does
so
they're.
Looking
around
places
in
kentucky
rural
areas,
much
like
hazard
in
the
western
part
of
the
state,
pikeville
many
others
harlan
where
they
can
come
in
and
it
doesn't
really
matter
about
roads
or
other
access
points.
A
As
long
as
they've
got
power
and
the
ability
of
mining
they
can
take
these
places
anywhere.
So
it
really
opens
up
pockets
of
kentucky
that
have
traditionally
been
tough
to
try
to
build
industry
in
so
what
we
did
is
we
took
this
old
bill
that
was
a
success,
but
never
utilized
and
simply
plugged
in
the
ability
to
do
blockchain
to
be
able
to
be
a
mining
company
and
so
to
prevent
it
from
being
anybody.
That's
living
their
mom
and
dad's
basement
has
four
or
five
hard
drives.
A
We
want
it
to
be
a
significant,
serious
investment
we
put
in
there
that
there
needed
to
be
at
least
a
million
dollars
investment
in
it
to
get
it
going,
and
I
think
I
would
not
even
mind
expanding
that
which
the
house
may
do
if
we
can
get
it
out
of
here
to
do
200
000
square
feet,
but
this
thing
is
taking
off.
A
A
So
with
that
said,
this
is
just
a
new
frontier
for
the
state
of
kentucky
and
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
for
passage
of
senate
bill
255
and
I
actually
need
a
motion
on
the
sub
motion.
Second
substance
will
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
the
committed
substitute
sign
of
I
pose?
Likewise,
I
have
a
motion
on
the
bill.
Do
I
have
a
second
have
a
second
from
cbn
senator
embry
and
we'll
call
the
roll?
Mr.
C
Mr
chairman,
I've
got
a
question
if
I
could
absolutely
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I
in
the
bill
you
make
a
change
to
energy
independence.
This
grant
program
to
energy-based
businesses.
C
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
is.
Would
this
only
be
limited
to
businesses
that
are
doing
this
cryptocurrency
mining
that
are
somehow
either
directly
or
tangentially
related
to
the
energy
sector?
Or
can
they
be
anybody
because
they're
I
mean,
as
you
well
know,
there's
a
lot
of
cryptocurrencies
that
are
being
developed
and
and
traded
on
on
the
stock
exchanges
that
people
go
and
buy
shares
in
today
and
there's
a
lot
of
mining
in
this.
These
currencies
going
on,
some
of
which
is
not
at
all
related
to
energy.
A
Yeah
the
house
bill,
one
that
we
did
originally
was
for
to
drive
the
energy
industry
to
make
it
more
efficient,
to
expand
our
footprint
to
get
old
places
refurbished
and
picked
up.
This
just
simply
adds
to
that,
so
it
doesn't
change
the
original
it's
an
energy
bill
for
that,
so
it
you
have
to
fall
within
the
guidelines
of
what
the
energy
bill
said,
and
this
is
one
of
them
that
does
that
they're
taking
old
buildings
old
sites
and
and
using
it
to
suck
up
a
lot
of
the
surplus
energy.
A
So
you
definitely
have
to
be
an
energy
consumer
and
be
investing
in
that
to
participate
in
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
industry
you'd
be
thinking
about
that
may
be
interested
in
it,
but
I'm
sorry,
maybe
I'm
not
aware
of
it.
Maybe
I
don't
understand
your
question.
C
That's
okay.
I
think
you've
you've
given
me
enough
to
to
get
an
answer
that
I
need.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
B
C
Every
day
I
forget,
I
don't
know
what
bitcoin
is
valued
at
today,
but
I
wish
I
had
some
and
I
don't
so
I
I'm
grateful
that
you're
taking
the
lead
and
doing
things
to
establish
kentucky
as
an
opportunity
leader
here
for
this
area.
Thanks.
A
A
As
this
thing
moves
onto
the
floor,
I
give
you
a
chance
to
read
more
of
it
and
I
think
many
of
you
in
this
room
are
not
aware
of
it
already,
but
you
have
one
into
your
district.
They
hire
a
lot
of
people
and
they
spend
a
lot
of
money
coming
in.
I
wish
this
did
more.
The
problem
with
blockchain
is
exactly
like
senator
westerfield
said
there's
so
much
of
it.
A
Unfortunately,
this
doesn't
affect
anything
other
than
their
consumption
of
energy,
but
if
he
likes
the
idea
of
banking,
I
have
a
banking
cryptocurrency
bill
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
tomorrow.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
that
out
of
banking,
but
I
appreciate
this
committee.
You
all
have
done
the
state's
work.
This
committee
has
done
more
blockchain
legislation
than
any
other
committee
in
the
state.
We
have
led
the
way
on
it.