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Okay,
we're
going
to
start
welcome
everyone
to
the
first
meeting
of
the
2020
session
of
the
house,
standing
committee
on
small
business
information
technology.
Actually,
anyone
members
have
any
guests
here,
they'd
like
to
introduce
all
right,
I'm
going
to
take
liberty
of
introducing
my
page
for
the
day,
mr
mcintosh
he's
a
freshman
at
great
crossings.
High
school
he's,
also
the
grandson
of
jennifer
parish,
who
sits
in
the
front
when
you
check
in
we
also
I'd
like
to
take
a
second
guys.
We
have
a
member
of
our
committee
that
is
ill.
A
Richard
white
is
in
the
hospital
at
uk
they
airlifting
from
frankfurt.
He
had
an
incident
in
my
office
yesterday.
They
arrested
him
last
night,
airlifted
him
last
night
from
the
frankfurt
hospital
to
uk
hospital.
Keep
him
in
his
prayers.
Now,
that's
everybody
have
a
moment
of
silence.
Prayers
for
him.
Please.
A
Thank
you
guys,
all
right
we're
going
to
do
some
preliminaries.
We
have
members
serving
on
two
committees
that
have
went
in
checked
in
and
be
back
over
here,
so
we're
going
to
wait
until
one
more
member
gets
back
here
to
do
roll
call,
but
we're
going
to
do
preliminaries
first
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
especially
introduce
our
new
member
rep
turret,
and
would
you
like
to
say
a
few
words
to
the
committee,
sir.
B
I
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
of
words,
but
I'm
glad
to
be
here
this
is.
I
think
this
will
be
my
second
committee
meeting,
so
I'm
excited
to
see
how
these
things
work,
but
I'm
honored
to
be
here
and
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
guys.
B
A
Point
in
time,
I'd
like
to
introduce
my
committee
staff,
they
make
me
look
good
and
that's
a
really
hard
job
to
my
janine
corey,
aubry
and
sp
inspector.
I
got
it
right.
That's
jennifer,
luttrell,
kirk
smith,
crystal
thomas
sashie,
allen,
helen
mcarthur,
fellow
graduate,
also
caleb
westfall
intern
for
the
2022
session.
A
Before
we
get
started
like
to
do
some
house
clean
things.
Also,
please
silent
all
cell
phones
at
this
time,
members
attending
remotely.
Please
indicate
your
location
when
jennifer
calls
your
role.
Your
vote
can
only
count
toward
the
quorum
if
you
are
a
remote
from
your
office,
two
in
your
car
on
capitol
campus
for
reasons
related
to
covert
19..
If
any
member
has
a
question
or
comment,
please
signal
to
have
aubrey
or
jennifer
members
attending.
A
Please
signal
to
aubry
jennifer
members
attended
remotely
that
have
a
question
or
comment.
Please
send
a
text
and
zoom
using
the
chat
function,
but
we
are
going
to
wait
for
just
a
second.
Oh
mister,
miss
tate's,
sorry
about
that.
At
this
point
in
time.
Jennifer
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
A
President
room,
and
also
guys
I'd
like
to
remind
you,
several
members,
are
missing
today,
representative
miles
mother
has
passed
away
and
they
are
at
the
visitation
and
funeral
day
so
also
keep
her
and
her
family
and
your
in
your
thoughts
all
right
today,
we
have
one
bill.
Consider
house
bill
294
at
this
point
time.
You
guys
approached
table,
please
it
was
testify.
I'm
actually
going
to
give
up
the
gavel
and
my
co-chair
chris
freeland
is
going
to
actually
proceed
all
this.
Thank
you
guys.
B
B
A
This
is
a
bill.
I
call
save
our
internet
broadband
in
state
of
kentucky.
Basically,
it
says
that
kentucky
wired
or
obsidiaries
is
going
to
keep
the
promises
they
made
when
they
first
developed
this
five
years
seven
years
ago.
I
believe
it
was
basically
they
said
they
were
going
to
build
a
backbone.
They
were
going
to
do
wholesale
and
they
will
go
into
the
unserved
underserved
areas.
That's
exactly
what
this
bill
says
that
they
can
build
the
backbone
that
well,
they
can
keep
the
backbone.
A
They
can
sell
wholesale
all
day
long,
but
they
cannot
go.
Basically
cherry
pick
off
the
best
customers
for
our
existing
telecom
companies.
You
know
with
that.
You
know
this
is
very
concerning
as
we
try
to
push
broadband
out
to
the
unserved
underserved
areas,
anybody
that's
in
business
quickly
realizes
that
if
you
go
and
take
someone's
best
customers,
there's
less
incentive,
less
profit
and
it's
going
to
disincentivize
broadband
out
to
those
areas
that
desperately
need
this,
and
this
is
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
achieve.
It
says
point
blank:
they
can
keep
the
backbone.
A
We
have
no
problem
with
that.
They
can
sell
wholesale
all
day
long.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
They
can
go
to
the
unserved
and
underserved
area,
but,
as
you
can
see
people
here
with
me,
all
the
telecom
companies
in
the
state
of
kentucky
are
extremely
concerned
that
they
are
coming
after
the
best
customers.
At
this
point
time,
would
you
guys
like
to
proceed.
H
Sure,
mr
chairman,
members
of
committee,
thank
you
for
the
time
this
morning
my
name
is
julia
breitkrigler
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
cable
and
broadband
association
here
in
the
commonwealth.
H
It
is
because
of
that
significant
investment
of
private
risk
capital
that
we
appear
here
today
to
support
house
bill
294..
Our
member
companies
are
focused
on
three
main
areas
of
concern:
we're
investing
heavily
to
bring
broadband
access
to
unserved
homes
in
rural
kentucky,
we're
upgrading
networks
throughout
the
commonwealth
to
ensure
millions
of
families
and
businesses,
have
access
to
gigabit
internet
speeds
and
we're
offering
programs
to
ensure
that
low-cost
broadband
is
available
for
families
that
need
it.
H
H
That's
why
our
association
was
proud
to
support
chairman
pratt's
hb
362
two
years
ago,
which
established
the
state's
broadband
deployment
program,
and
our
member
companies
have
been
heavily
involved
in
participating
in
federal
grant
programs
that
are
focused
on
expanding
broadband
to
unserved
rural
kentuckians
there's.
Obviously,
significant
work
left
to
be
done
to
ensure
that
every
kentuckian
is
connected
and
our
member
companies
are
working
hard
every
day
to
close
those
gaps.
H
The
well-documented
delays
and
unforeseen
expenditures
have
ballooned
the
cost
of
what
was
intended
to
be
a
30
million
dollar
investment
by
kentucky
taxpayers
to
nearly
1.5
billion
dollars.
At
a
conservative
estimate,
and
rather
than
providing
last
mile
service
to
residents,
the
network
is
using
substantial
taxpayer
investment
to
provide
duplicative
services
in
well-served
urban
and
suburban
areas.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
pratt
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
tyler
campbell,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
telecom
association.
Our
association
represents
kentucky's
community-based
broadband,
rural
broadband
providers.
Our
regular
telecom
members
include
16
rule
telecom
cooperatives
and
small
commercial
companies
that
provide
a
wide
range
of
services
to
our
customers,
including
broadband
phone
video,
wireless
services
and
home
security.
G
Our
member
companies
provide
broadband
services
to
all
or
part
of
45
counties
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
meaning
we
serve
more
than
one
third
of
the
counties
in
the
state
as
community-based
providers.
We
work
to
serve
our
local
community
members
and
residents
with
world-class
broadband
and
first-class
customer
service.
Our
members
take
pride
in
the
work
they
do
in
their
communities
as
we
seek
to
deploy
future-proof
fiber
networks
to
our
rural
kentucky.
Customers.
G
The
views
we
are
expressing
here
today
are
not
new,
but
rather
a
continuation
of
the
concerns
our
association
members
have
had
since
the
inception
of
the
kentucky
wired
project
seven
years
ago,
and
despite
our
concerns,
kta
member
companies
did
find
ways
to
work
with
the
with
the
kentucky
communications
network
authority
to
help
kcna
as
it
oversaw
efforts
to
build
the
state's
middle
mile
network.
In
many
of
the
rural
counties,
our
member
companies
serve.
G
G
As
a
silicon
continues
to
bid
on
providing
last
mile
broadband
services,
it
remains
a
concern
that
many
of
these
projects
do
not
fall
in
areas
that
are
deemed
unserved.
Hb
294
seeks
to
remedy
that
by
having
a
silicon,
focus,
their
leasing
and
selling
of
their
wholesale
network
services
to
unserved
areas.
G
G
B
Done
we
got
a
motion
in
a
second,
we
do
have
some
questions.
Those
if
that's
see,
representative
bojanowski
and
representative
roberts
would
like
to
ask
a
question.
So
representative
voters
ask
you
go
right
ahead.
I
Okay,
thank
you
good
morning.
I've
got
a
couple
questions.
First
of
all,
is
anyone
here
from
kentucky
wired
to
share
their
perspective
in
this
situation?
This
isn't
something
I'm
very
familiar
with.
I
Okay
and
if
I
may,
okay,
so
what's
the
extent
of
the
unserved
areas
now
I
know,
as
a
teacher,
we
have
a
lot
of
students
who
struggle
with
gaining
access
to
the
internet.
So
how
many?
How
many
residences
would
you
say,
are
not
served
by
broadband
services.
A
G
Representative
bojanowski,
I
will
just
I'll
answer
this
in
in
terms
of
the
the
federal
fcc's
rural
digital
opportunity
fund.
When
they
were
rolling
out
that
program,
they
essentially
divided
each
state
into
census,
blocks
that
were
unserved
and
again,
I
don't
know
the
population
of
each
census
block,
because
census
blocks
can
vary
in
size,
but
in
kentucky
there
were
over
99
000
census
blocks
that
were
unserved
at
the
start
of
the
rural
digital
opportunity
fund
process
about
three
years
ago,
and
so
that
that
process
is
now
underway.
G
So
you
are
seeing
companies
and
my
member
companies
who
are
non-profit
telecom
cooperatives
as
well
as
small
commercial
companies
and
those
the
cable
industry,
all
participated
in
the
rural
digital
opportunity
fund
to
bring
last
mile
services
to
those
unserved
census
blocks
in
kentucky.
I
All
right-
and
if
I
may
ask
one
more,
thank
you
so
what's
the
cost
differential
between
the
wholesale
I'm
assuming
wholesale
network
would
mean
a
cost
differential
and
I
don't
know
if
the
term
would
be
retail,
but
you
know
from
what
I'm
understanding
from
the
statute
is
you're
asking
for
access
to
the
same
wholesale
price
that
someone
else
might
get
what's
the
differential
in
price?
G
Well,
I
think,
in
terms
of
wholesale
network,
if
you're
talking
about
wholesale
services
versus
retail
services,
right
retail
would
be
that
last
mile,
which
well
and
that's
the
definition
too
a
last
mile
service
is
who's,
the
end
user.
If
we
take
it
to
a
courthouse,
that's
still
a
last
mile,
that's
the
end
user.
So
that
terminology
that
last
mile
means
where
it
terminates
at
the
end
user
retail
services
typically
means
your
residential
customer.
G
So
you
have
excess
dark
fiber
that
can
go
to
another
customer
and
once
that's
lit
and
when
they
say
lit,
that
means
put
the
electronics
in
it
and
from
one
end
of
from
one
end
to
the
other
end,
when
it's
lit
that
light
goes
there,
you
have
your
your
gigabit
connection,
and
so
when
we're
talking
about
wholesale
network
services,
that
can
be
anything
from
dark
fiber
agreements
to
an
intranet
network
where
it's,
you
connect
several
groups
and
they
would
all
have
like
an
own
private
intranet
connection.
B
I
A
G
J
A
Actually
that
question
has
been
raised.
A
couple
of
things
is
hey.
I've
had
some
attorneys
here
that
work
for
us
say
no,
it
will
not,
and
I
would
like
for
the
people
who
have
raised
that
question
bring
me
the
complete
contract,
so
we
can
look
at
it
and
have
our
attorneys
look
at
it
and
answer
this
question.
I've
had
this
raised,
I've
had
attorneys
look
at
it
and
they
say
it
will
not
but
bring
me
the
complete
contract.
A
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
if
that
is
the
case,
we'll
have
the
attorneys
look
at
it
and
if
we
need
to
make
changes,
we
will
and
I'm
okay
if
they
have
existing
contracts,
leaving
those
in
place
at
this
point
in
time.
But
I
was
told
that's
not
the
case.
It
will
not
do
that
and
I'm
okay,
but
bring
me
the
complete
contract
and
then
we'll
proceed
from
there.
J
This
isn't
necessarily
specific
to
this
meeting,
but
there's
just
been
a
trend
here
among
the
committees
I've
been
in
for
us
to
do,
motions
on
bills
really
quickly
and
something
as
complicated
as
last
mile
broadband.
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
public.
That's
watching
to
really
have
a
robust
conversation
about
this.
I'm
disappointed
that
the
other
side
isn't
here
so
that
we
could
just
hear
both
sides.
This
may
be
the
greatest
bill
ever
I
don't
know.
I
just
wish
that
we
were
taking
more
time.
J
A
Actually,
representative
roberts,
this
bill
was
filed
three
weeks
ago.
I
intentionally
did
not
hear
it
that
week
I
waited
until
today
to
let
everybody
want
to
come,
show
up
and
testify
they
could.
So
I
can't
explain
why
they're
not
here,
I
understand
you
they
have
chosen
not
to
and
again,
if
they'd
like
come
talk,
they're
more
than
welcome.
E
Representative
roberts,
I'm
annette
dupont,
ewing
with
kentucky
municipal
utilities,
and
we
have
14
broadband
providers
and
we
strongly
support
this
bill,
and
this
is
the
reason
why?
Because
we're
non-profits,
city-owned
utilities
and
we've
spent
millions
of
dollars,
building
out
a
network
with
bonds
that
the
people
pay
for
and
now
we
have
the
state
funding,
kentucky
wired
and
excelacom,
and
it's
bad
public
policy
to
allow
them
to
use
public
money
to
build
the
network
of
broadband
and
then
have
accelecom
build
over
that
network
with
state
money
public
money.
E
A
And
representative
roberts
to
answer
your
question,
this
bill
was
actually
filed
two
years
ago.
This
is
the
same
exact
bill
that
was
filed
two
years
ago,
so
it's
been
out
there
a
while
and
against
upon
what
she
said.
Arthur
harmon
did
a
report.
I
did
a
audit
taxpayers
are
responsible
for
ninety
percent.
Three
percent
of
the
total
cost
of
deploying
kentucky
wired,
so
taxpayers
are
on
the
hook
on
this
and
the
you
know
again
so
with
that
we
have.
This
is
taxpayer
money
that
goes
into
this.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative
roberts
actually
asked
one
of
my
questions
and
thank
you
for
that
question.
You
know
it's
obvious.
We
want
to
uphold
the
commitments
we
have
made.
D
A
B
Any
further
questions
all
right,
seeing
none
we
do
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
so
looks
like
we're
ready
to
vote
on
hb
294..
If
you
want
to
call
the
roll.
D
Can
I
explain
my
vote,
please
I'm
a
yes
on
this
bill.
I
may
well
be
a
no
on
the
floor.
There
are
some
questions
I
still
have
to
get
answered,
but
I
will
support
this
morning.
A
I
Okay,
I'm
going
to
pass
today
very,
very
persuasive
evidence
that
you've
provided
today
at
the
table
and
I'm
very
much
for
getting
to
that
last
mile.
I
do
want
to
collect
a
little
bit
more
data
and
information
from
kentucky
wired
and
to
be
able
to
inform
my
vote.
Thank
you.
B
My
vote.
Yes,
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes
today,
we've,
mr
chairman,
we've
had
some
conversations
and
and
some
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
but
some
of
the
questions.
I
would
say
that
I
have-
and
I
really
appreciate
your
time
with
that,
but
today
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes.
A
B
B
C
D
C
F
A
yes,
but
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote,
so
it's
very
disappointing
when
we
have
two
private
corporations
working
together
or
working
opposed
to
each
other,
that
as
legislators,
we
have
to
be
the
deciding
factor,
and
so
obviously
it's
very
important
for
them
to
work
together.
Yet
I
do
understand
at
some
point:
we
are
at
a
crossroads
where
that
cannot
be
accomplished,
and
so
obviously
the
preference
would
be
for
them
to
work
outside.
But
I
know
sometimes
that's
not
possible.