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From YouTube: House Standing Committee on Judiciary 3/10/21 - part 2
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A
Was
your
question
about
what
would
be
the
legal
problem?
I
did
a
little
legal
research
yesterday
there's
a
long
line
of
jurisprudence
about
the
difference
between
judges
in
the
court
of
justice
setting
how
we
run
court.
Of
course,
the
legislature,
you
know
it's
one
of
my
favorite
things
about
being
in
the
judicial
branch.
Ural's
role
is
to
set
the
laws
and
we
have
no
choice
but
to
apply
those
laws.
So
you
tell
us,
there's
a
ten
thousand
dollar
amount
in
controversy.
That's
going
to
be
heard
in
small
claims.
A
We
follow
that,
but
we're
the
ones
in
the
trenches
in
the
courtroom.
Seeing
what
happens
every
day
and
we
have
made
it
work
with
these
remote
proceedings
during
the
covid
time,
but
where
you
get
in
a
problem
constitutionally
is
because
we
are
in
the
trenches.
We
do
see
what
a
defendant
is
going
through
when
he
enters
a
plea
or
when
he's
being
sent
to
prison
or
when
he
or
she
is
being
probated.
A
We
are
in
the
position
to
say
what
works
and
what
doesn't,
and
so
our
opposition
to
this
is
we
want
to
go
through
with
the
judges
who
sit
in
the
courtrooms
and
watch
these
remote
proceedings
happening
with
our
supreme
court
guidance
to
set
the
rules
of
how
we
run
court.
We're
not
saying
we
don't
want
to
follow
the
legislative
guidelines
about
the
law,
but
this
specific
issue
when
somebody
has
to
be
there,
do
they
have
to
be
there
for
an
arraignment?
Do
they
have
to
be
there
when
they're
being
sentenced?
A
Those
are
things
that
come
out
of
the
purview
of
this.
Is
a
law
and
come
more
closer
to
a
court
procedural
rule,
so
I
think
legally,
where
you
could
be
in
trouble,
would
be.
You
have
dictated
a
court
rule
how
court
runs
rather
than
a
law
what
we
apply,
what
we
criminalize,
how
long
you
have
to
serve
for
that
then.
A
Then
we're
passing
a
case
more
than
we
need
to,
because
we
can't
execute
new
paperwork,
including
a
no
contact
order,
including
an
order
to
go
to
mental
health
treatment.
It
causes
delays
that
we're
remote
and
nobody's
really
talking
about
the
additional
delays.
So
I
think
the
two-prong
one
is
letting
the
court
of
justice
who
was
in
the
trench
with
the
people
look
at
what's
best
and
then
the
second
prong
is.
Are
we
really
achieving
the
goals,
and
I
understand
we
do
work
with
all
of
our
jailers?
I
work
with
sheriff
john
aubry
in
jefferson
county.
A
I
consider
them
part
of
our
justice
team,
but
I
think
for
this
committee
to
consider
dictating
how
this
should
run
based
upon
what
we've
been
through
in
this
pandemic,
rather
than
allowing
our
supreme
court
to
promulgate
rules
that
we
operate
by
and
we're
going
to
do
it.
Justice
keller
sent
out
an
email,
and
we
know
that
we're
going
to
go
through
that
process.
We
would
just
ask
this
committee
not
to
vote
on
this
legislation
now.
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
I'm
gonna
say
something
and
then
have
a
question
if
I
might
and
I'm
not
looking
for
a
response
to
the
first
thing,
I'm
saying
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
be
the
voice
or
the
face
of
some
of
the
frustration
that
legislators
are
feeling
not
looking
for
a
response
that
wouldn't
be
fair.
To
put
you
on
the
spot.
C
We've
heard
earlier
this
session,
we've
heard
today
that
the
court
wouldn't
deign
to
come
into
our
business
and
tell
us
how
to
run
our
our
business
they've
done
that
a
lot
they've
done
that
three
times
in
recent
memory
and
again
this
is
me
speaking,
but
but
please
take
it-
that
a
number
of
legislators
express
these
frustrations
constantly
senate
bill.
151
was
not
decided
on
its
merits.
It
was
decided
on
process.
C
We
had
done
that
for
a
century,
every
state
had
had
that
process
and
continues
to
have
that
process.
Yet
the
kentucky
supreme
court
came
into
our
business
on
process
and
says
you
may
not
do
this
so
to
say
that
the
supreme
court
doesn't
come
into
our
business
is
patently
untrue.
It
would
have
been
fine
in
legislators,
view
to
knock
that
bill
down
if
it
were
unconstitutional
on
the
merits
on
the
substance,
that's
not
what
the
court
did
so
to
come
and
say
we
wouldn't
come
into
your
business
is
not
right.
It's
not
true.
C
The
second
case
I
want
to
mention
and
again
not
looking
for
a
response.
Unless
you
want
to
have
one
is
marsy's
law,
I
don't
care
about
marcy's
law.
The
point
of
it
is
not
the
point
of
it
is
not
marsy's
law.
Marcy's
law
was
passed
in
the
exact
same
way
that
the
judicial
article
was
passed
in
1976
that
chief
justice
palmer
drafted.
C
C
C
So
when
we
here,
we
wouldn't
deign
to
come
into
your
business
and
talk
about
your
process.
We
don't
that.
Doesn't
that
doesn't
sit
well
with
us
and
this
coming
from
a
person
who
has
fought
for
the
prerogatives
of
the
court
system.
So
that's
just
something
that
I
needed.
I
needed
to
say
when
I
speak
with
my
colleagues,
let's
get
to
the
point
of
this
bill.
If
I
might
I'm
happy
that
justice
keller
is
the
head
of
the
criminal
rules
committee,
because
justice
keller
is
one
of
my
two
justices,
she
has
oldham
county.
C
I
have
a
lot
of
faith
in
justice
keller.
My
question
to
you
guys
and
I
know
laurie
dudgeon-
speaks
on
behalf
of
the
entire
court
on
behalf
of
chief
justice
clinton.
I
would
like
a
commitment,
because
I
know
the
criminal
rules
committee
is
defined
by
the
criminal
rules
who's
on
it,
a
lot
of
really
good
people
but
who's
not
on
it
or
any
legislators,
and
I'm
not
asking
for
us
to
be
on
it,
but
no
legislators
are
on
it.
No
members
of
caico
are
on
it.
No
sheriffs,
no
jailers,
no
prosecutors,
no
defense
counsel.
C
So
what
I
would
like
there
are
defense
counsel,
I'm
sorry
and
I
think,
there's
a
prosecutor,
but
what
I
would
like
is.
I
would
like
a
commitment
that
on
this
question,
not
on
the
other
criminal
rules,
because
I
understand
that
we
shouldn't
be
in
your
process,
although
I
wish
you
would
understand
a
little
bit
more,
you
shouldn't
be
in
ours.
C
I
would
like
a
commitment
that
representative
freeland
and
members
representatives
from
caico
from
the
sheriff's
association
from
the
jailers
association
from
the
county
judges
association
will
be
particularly
involved
in
the
supreme
court
conference
room
when
the
criminal
justice
committee
meets
on
this
question.
Can
I
get
a
commitment
for
that
and,
if
I
can,
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that
we
passed
out
a
committee
and
then
we
hold
it
and
not
have
a
floor
vote.
C
D
So
while
I
can't
speak
specifically
for
justice
keller,
I
can
tell
you
what
she
told
me
yesterday,
because
we
were
speaking
specifically
about
the
fact
that
the
jailers
and
the
sheriffs
were
not
on
the
criminal
rules
committee
and
that
there
were
a
number
of
other
stakeholders
who
she
wanted
to
hear
from
she
committed
to
hearing
from
all
the
stakeholders.
So
I
would
imagine
that
she
would
absolutely
be
open
to
that
and.
D
C
And
we'll
be
back
in
touch
with
you
about
that.
I
think
justice
keller
is
a
person
of
honor
and
I'm
glad
that
she's,
the
committee
chairperson
here
and
I'll
trust
that,
and
so
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
in
committee,
spoke
with
a
sponsor
and
I
think
what
we're
going
to
decide
to
do
I'll
follow
the
sponsor's
lead,
but
I
think
what
we're
going
to
decide
to
do
is
hold
it
for
a
vote.
This
session,
with
the
commitment
that's
been
made,
that
representative
freeland
will
be
intimately
involved
in
this
question
on
the
criminal
rules
committee.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
will
be
quick.
I
I
love
this
discussion.
I've
learned
a
lot.
I
I
think
that
everyone
has
made
some
really
strong
points,
and
you
know
this
is
permissive,
a
language
language
that
allows
for
this
to
simply
be
an
option
in
certain
situations.
Are
there
ever
situations?
I
mean
I,
I
think
we
heard
early
on
that.
You
know
in
the
one
or
two
minute,
arraignments
or
quick
situations
that
this
might
be
appropriate.
E
I
I
mean,
I
guess
my.
I
I'm
a
little
confused
why
you
know
I
understand
the
process
and-
and
you
know
that
we
need
to
have
continuing
discussions,
but
if
we
don't
pass
this
bill,
will
this
shut
down
virtual
hearings?
I
mean
we're
right
so
so
the
virtual
hearings
that
are
going
on
now
will
be
allowed
to
continue.
While
we
have
these
discussions.
Okay.
D
B
G
Yes,
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote.
If
there
is
an
interim
study
on
this
issue,
I
hope
that
we
also
look
at
the
timelines
that
the
courts
use.
I
mean
some
of
these
court
of
appeal
cases.
Are
it
takes
two
years
to
make
a
decision?
That's
frustration,
that's
not
the
the
work
of
the
people.
In
my
opinion,
sorry,
I
got
off
I
vote.
Yes,.
H
H
However,
there
is
a
good
framework
in
this
bill
for
courts
to
adopt
a
similar
procedure-
that's
articulated
in
this
bill,
but
they
need
to
do
it
on
their
own.
I've
looked
at
krs
chapters,
23a
and
24a,
which
this
statute
this
proposed
legislation
is
amending
and
this
legislation
does
not
fit
into
the
basic
jurisdiction
and
fee
issues
that
are
covered
in
those
chapters.
Therefore,
I
believe
it
is
stepping
into
controlling
basic
court
operations,
and
we've
heard
the
concerns
about
separation
of
powers
and
other
constitutional
concerns.
H
Representative
freeland,
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
bill
and
I
really
appreciate
your
judge
back
home.
I
hope
you
can
respect,
though,
that
I
had
two
judges
here
opposing
this
bill
and
just
like
you
had
to
do
what
your
judge
wanted
you
to
do.
I
had
to
listen
to
what
my
judge
wanted
me
to
do
so
I
don't
know
representative.
F
D
I
D
Explain
my
vote
I'm
going
to
pass
on
this
today,
I
I
was
against
the
original
version
of
the
bill.
After
speaking
with
my
judges,
the
committee
sub
did
make
it
certainly
much
more
better,
but
but
they
still
have
some
concerns,
and
so
I
need
to
talk
to
them
and
and
research
the
bill
more.
Thank
you,
representative
for
your
work.
D
F
D
C
L
B
D
C
H
Mr
chairman,
point
of
order,
I
don't
think
we
can
do
that.
I
think
I
think
our
rules
state
you
have
to
go
through
the
roll
call
and
that
that
the
roll
call
vote
is
the
outcome
of
the
motion
and
later
votes
pa
cast.
They
can't
they
can
record
votes,
but
they
cannot
affect
the
outcome
of
the
roll
call
motion.
B
That's
why
we're
holding
it
open
so
that
it's
not
concluded
and
we
can
certainly
alter
the
agenda
and
come
back
to
it.
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
do
so
with
that.
Thank
you,
representative
freeland.
Thank
you,
miss
hampton
and
with
that
miss
scott.
If
you
could
make
your
way
down
you're
on
next
and
we're
going
to
hear
house
bill
21-
and
I
know
that
we
have
president
stivers
here
with
us
and
we're
gonna-
have
some
discussions
about
things
that
may
or
may
not
overlap.
B
D
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
We
outline
the
use
of
body-worn
cameras
to
record
serving
a
search
warrant.
Our
bill
includes
mandatory
alcohol
and
drug
testing
of
officers
who
are
involved
in
a
deadly
incident.
We
expect
forklift
operators
to
comply
with
mandatory
alcohol
and
drug
testing
when
they
have
an
accident.
My
brother
is
a
truck
driver.
He
has
random
alcohol
and
drug
testing
as
a
truck
driver.
Whether
he's
been
in
an
accident
or
not.
L
J
J
J
J
They
were
deeply
unsettled
by
a
drug
raid
that
had
gone
wrong
after
performing
a
forced,
dynamic
entry
on
the
father
of
a
family's
home
who
was
wrongly
suspected
of
drug
dealing,
drugs
swat
officers
were
securing
the
bedroom
of
eleven-year-old
alberto,
while
alberto
complied
with
the
officer's
demand
on
his
bed.
It
laid
on
his
bedroom
floor
waiting
to
be
handcuffed
and
in
the
chaos
of
these
types
of
raids,
the
officer
standing
above
him
accidentally
discharged
his
weapon
into
the
boy's
back
killing
him.
J
J
I've
documented
and
studied
hundreds
of
similar
forced
entry
tragedies
over
the
last
20
years.
Since
this
incident
and
the
problem
has
no
has
shown
no
signs
of
abatement.
In
fact,
numerous
communities
and
municipalities,
just
in
the
last
few
years,
have
had
to
deal
with
the
collateral
damage
caused
by
this
practice.
J
In
fact,
a
lawsuit
was
filed
against
the
louisville
metro
pd
in
october
of
2019
for
a
botched
no-knock
drug
raid
in
search
of
marijuana
evidence,
the
family
was
getting
their
kids
ready
for
school.
When
the
14-member
swat
team
breached
the
front
door
of
their
home,
broke
out,
windows
used
flash
bang
devices
and
held
the
parents
and
children
at
gunpoint.
J
J
Most
no
knock
raids
are
not
conducted
with
a
no
knock
warrant
and
this
cuts
to
the
heart
of
what
is
what
it
takes
to
effectively
address
this
issue.
What
happens
instead
is
that
many
standard
knock
and
announce
warrants
are
carried
out
using
the
surprised,
forced
entry
tactic,
the
same
tactic
used
when
executing
a
no
knock
warrant.
J
J
A
recent
study
conducted
on
drug
warrant
work
in
kentucky
in
kentucky
found
that
drug
that
teams
of
drug
detectives
routinely
failed
to
follow,
knock
and
announced
policies.
Detectives
instead
would
announce
their
presence
in
accordance
with
the
with
the
battering
ram
hitting
the
door
for
the
first
time.
J
It
is
critical
to
recognize
that
key
law
enforcement
experts
acknowledge
that
the
practice
of
surprised,
forced
entry
raids
is
a
low
reward.
High
risk
endeavor
one
person
I
work
closely
with
is
mark
lomax
mark
is
a
retired
police
drug
detective
and
he's
a
tactical
team
member.
He
served
as
the
director
of
the
national
tactical
officers
association
for
seven
years,
leading
forty
thousand
swat
officers
mark,
says
route
repeatedly
to
me
and
he's
adamant
about
this,
and
he
said
it
publicly
that
no
knock
drug
raids
are
not
worth
the
risk.
J
J
J
J
The
bill
we
are
discussing
today
includes
many
of
the
key
features
of
these
new
laws,
all
of
which
are
simple,
constitutionally
appropriate
and
just
plain
common
sense
measures
to
ensure
the
safety
and
well-being
of
police
officers
and
the
citizens
of
the
commonwealth.
These
include
when
executing
a
search
warrant.
The
police
must
knock
and
announce
their
presence.
J
Police
should
wait
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
for
someone
to
answer
the
door.
The
warrant
must
authorize
the
police
to
conduct
a
forcible
entry.
Otherwise
they
need
to
simply
leave
notice
of
the
warrant
on
the
resident's
door.
Search
warrant.
Executions
need
to
be
documented
through
the
use
of
body
cams,
that's
it
other
other
places
are
doing
far
more
than
this.
J
J
J
J
J
These
raids
are
not
worth
the
gain
of
a
potential
low-level
drug
arrest
or
the
confiscation
of
some
cash.
What
should
matter
most
to
any
police
department
and
those
that
guide
them
is
the
community's
safety,
trust
and
sense
of
police
legitimacy,
no
knock
raids,
whether
botched
or
routine,
erode
these
pillars
of
effective
policing
and
justice.
Thank
you.
L
M
Booker
all
right
I'll
keep
the
mask
on
I'm
typically
loud,
but
I'll
I'll,
try
some
muffled
good
afternoon,
former
colleagues,
so
I
miss
y'all.
I
actually
have
a
heavy
heart
as
I
drove
up
here.
I
I
lost
my
granddad
over
the
weekend
and
some
of
you
all
may
remember
my
my
hero
sergeant
lindsey
hearn,
that
came
to
the
the
floor
and
you
all
applauded
him
for
his
service,
and
I
thank
you
for
that.
M
I
want
to
thank
representative
scott
for
drafting
this
and
leading
on
this.
I
was
actually
pre-filing
this
myself
during
the
summer
and
learned
that
rep
scott
was
doing
it
as
well,
and
I
understood
that
black
women
don't
have
to
get
recognized
in
our
state
legislature,
and
so
I
wanted
to
support
a
black
woman.
Speaking
for
the
life
of
a
black
woman
that
had
been
ignored,
and
so
I
wanted
to
rally
behind
her
and
some
of
y'all
probably
followed
me
a
little
bit.
You
may
have
heard
some
some
noise
I
was
making
over
the
last
year.
M
I've
been
all
over
kentucky
and
I
launched
this
organization
hood
to
the
holler
which
I'm
president
and
founder
of,
and
our
aim
was
to
show
how
we
are
all
in
this
fight
together
that
we're
family.
We
have
common
bonds
and
if
we
lean
into
those,
we
can
build
a
safer,
more
just
stronger
kentucky
and
brianna's
law
house
bill.
21
speaks
to
that
because
it's
an
issue
that
happened
to
a
black
woman,
but
when
her
door
was
kicked
in
everybody's
door
was
kicked
in
when
her
freedom
was
taken
away.
M
Everybody's
was
because
you
could
see
her
as
a
daughter
as
a
cousin
as
a
niece
as
a
friend
as
a
caretaker,
and
I
wanted
to
help
with
this
bill,
and
so
I
asked
the
people
of
kentucky
to
join
us
in
supporting
the
idea
that
everyone
can
be
safe
in
their
homes,
and
everybody
responded.
When
I
mean
everybody
from
every
single
legislative
district
from
every
corner
of
kentucky,
we
had
folks
reach
out
to
y'all
probably
saw
some
emails.
M
I
won't
tell
a
story
about
ms
palmer
now
because
I'm
trying
to
keep
it
together,
but
this
bill
starts
with
an
ordinance
in
louisville.
An
ordinance
passed
to
completely
banned,
no
knock
warrants
had
unanimous
support.
The
reason
that
happened
is
because
the
community
was
making
they
were
grieving
in
the
streets.
They
were
crying
out,
they
were
demanding
justice
and
they
were
demanding
the
freedom
to
be
okay
in
their
home
and
because
no
one
hears
us.
Otherwise,
you
know
our
history
in
kentucky.
M
If
you
don't
listen
to
us,
we're
going
to
protest,
we're
going
to
stand
on
them
tracks
we're
going
to
march
we're
going
to
lock
arms,
that's
what
we
do
in
kentucky.
We
fight
back
to
take
care
of
our
home
and
that's
what
folks
did
and
the
leadership
in
louisville
responded,
and
so
what
we
wanted
to
do
at
the
state
level
is
support
the
people,
and
so,
throughout
the
summer
the
community
came
together
to
flush
this
out,
the
attorneys
for
the
family.
The
family
was
central
to
it.
M
We
we
had
folks
that
were
protesting,
we're
saying,
okay,
how
do
we
turn
that
into
policy
making
they
got
involved,
so
the
bill
that
you
all
received
came
from
the
people
that's
important.
There
are
protests
that
are
still
happening
because
people
still
feel
ignored
and
they're
devastated.
They're
traumatized
and
people
have
lost
a
lot
of
hope,
I'm
not
talking
about
just
in
louisville
all
over
kentucky.
M
This
build
is
the
one
that
does
that,
because
it
speaks
to
the
circumstances
that
set
up
the
moment
where
her
door
was
kicked
in
bullets,
flew
everywhere,
hit
her
and
took
her
life
away,
and
if
we're
trying
to
be
accountable
to
her
and
to
every
kentuckian,
we
need
to
support
this
bill
now.
I
know
that
president
stivers
is
is
joining
to
support
senate
bill
4
and
y'all
got
to
realize
how
important
this
moment
is.
The
reason
that
bill
is
coming
is
because
the
community
spoke
up.
M
He
wasn't
thinking
about
this
at
the
the
top
of
the
year.
This
wasn't
a
priority
because
we're
done
with
the
pandemic
there's
so
many
other
things
going
on
the
reason
that
we
even
thought
to
address
this
is
because
the
community
spoke
up,
so
let's
honor
them.
I
think
there
are
amendments
that
can
come
out
of
house
bill
21
and
make
senate
bill
4
stronger.
I
think
there's
a
chance
to
work
together
to
do
that,
and
I
wanted
to
tell
you.
M
I
was
a
former
colleague
that
I
think
that's
the
path
that
we
can
do
if
sessions
running
short.
Let's
take
this
chance
to
work
together
and
honor
brianna
in
a
real
way,
so
that
no
one
else
has
to
deal
with
this
pain
and
the
people
of
kentucky
can
be
proud
and
know
that
justice
is
coming
and
know
that
democracy
means
something,
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
share
my
words.
L
Thank
you,
former
state
representative
booker,
for
that
chairman
massey.
I
will
hand
it
back
over
to
you
to
determine
how
you
want
to
proceed.
I
know
that
senate
bill
4
is
the
bill
that
the
committee
will
be
voting
on.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
us
to
field
any
questions
or
if
you
want
to
go
to
senate
bill
4.
B
Thank
you,
representative,
scott.
What
I
think
I'd
like
to
do
is
is
have
president
stivers
come
forward
and
deliver
his
remarks
and
then
we
can
allow
the
committee
to
ask
questions
kind
of
together
so
that,
obviously
both
bills
deal
with
no
knock
warrants,
and
I
think
it
would
be
more
fruitful
to
do
it
that
way.
So
with
that
we'll
let
president
stivers
come
forward
and
and
take
his
place,
and
I
know
he
wanted
to
hear
your
testimony
and
he's
done
so
now
and
we'll.
N
Second,
this
is
my
32nd
year
of
practicing
law,
and
I
know
many
people
walk
into
the
arena
of
the
legislature
and
say
that
you
know
they've
practiced
law
and
been
prosecutors.
Well,
I've
actually
tried
two
death
penalty
cases.
One
played
out
in
the
middle
I've
done
multiple
defenses
and
prosecutions
in
state
and
federal
courts
of
large
drug
conspiracies
that
go
beyond
states
and
are
even
international.
N
Looking
at
the
situation
that
occurred
with
miss
taylor,
I
felt
that
I
was
in
a
good
position
to
reach
out
to
individuals
both
the
defense
bar
the
prosecution
bar
individuals
that
were
involved
in
law
enforcement,
individuals
who
were
involved
in
the
litigation
and
I've
had
numerous
meetings
over
the
period
of
time,
with
virtually
all
those
either
directly
or
through
staff.
Members
also
tell
you
this
and
many
of
the
things
that
the
professor
said.
I
agree
with
also
relied
on
a
22
year
old
son,
who
is
in
what
is
called
the
white
house.
N
So
I
talked
to
him
about
this
and
he
said
dad
when
you
do
a
situation
of
securing
a
house.
It
is
extremely
dangerous
not
only
for
the
individual's
law
enforcement.
It
is
dangerous
for
the
people
inside
and
it
is
dangerous
for
individuals
who
are
around
the
area
because
you
need
to
be
trained
and
well
trained
at
dealing
with
these
situations,
and
that
struck
me.
N
N
So
with
that,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
the
first
part
of
the
bill
talks
about
circumstances,
the
circumstances
for
which
you
could
seek
not
just
a
no
knock
search
warrant,
but
a
no
knock
arrest
warrant,
a
little
bit
broader
and
more
in-depth
than
what
house
bill
21.
Does
it
sets
out
circumstances
related
to
and
lawyers
who
have
dealt
with
this
439
3401,
which
is
the
violent
offender
statute
and
evidentiary
value
of
information
that
may
be
located
related
to
one
of
those
crimes
that
fall
in
what
we
call
the
violent
offender
statute?
N
N
The
second
component
is
the
process.
What
process
should
be
in
place
because
it
is
apparent
on
that
tragic
night
for
miss
taylor,
that
there
was
a
breakdown
of
process,
so
the
process
is
the
individuals
who
are
seeking.
This
shall
get
supervisory
sign
off
and
that
supervisory
sign
off
then
leads
you
to
get
review,
and
I
understand
there
may
be
some
amendments
to
this
and
I'm
very
willing
to
work
on
amendments.
N
If
they
don't,
it
can
be
referred
to
the
judicial
conduct
commission
for
review,
which
is
only
appropriate.
Now
we
don't
set
standards,
and
I
appreciate
representative
nemes's
discussion
with
the
aoc
earlier.
We
don't
get
into
their
conduct,
it
is
for
them
to
set,
but
it
is
grounds
for
a
referral
also.
If
it
is
not
an
e
warrant,
the
individual's
name
has
to
be
legibly
identified.
N
So
you
know
what
judge
issued
it
because
one
of
the
problems,
I
think
you
see
in
jurisdictions
that
have
10
12
15
and
I
think
jefferson
county
may
have
close
to
30
judgeships,
it's
not
identifiable,
which
judge
signed
it.
So
you
can
see
what
judge
issued
in
the
rural
areas.
It's
not
a
big
problem,
there's
only
four
judges
in
my
county,
as
you
know,
mr
chairman,
you
probably
know
most
of
them
might
even
be
related
a
few
of
them
since
you
are
originally,
your
family
is
from
clay
county.
N
N
So
they
need
to
execute
and
if
they
improperly
execute,
then
there
are
remedies.
Suppression
of
evidence,
suppression
of
evidence
only
in
the
criminal
form
of
the
proceedings,
but
not
suppression.
If
it
is
thought
to
be
introduced
in
investigatory
hearing
for
sanctioning
or
punishment
or
in
a
civil
action
to
determine
whether
there
is
some
type
of
compensation
that
is
needed
for
comp
to
recompense.
The
individuals
who
were
civilly
wronged.
N
N
N
The
situation
with
the
young
children,
with
the
lmpd
officers
throughout
the
state
who
have
exchanged
favors
for
dismissals
of
prosecutions,
an
inappropriate
and
improper
arrest
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
obtaining
of
a
warrant.
I
felt
it
needed
to
be
siloed
senate
bill
80,
which
was
passed
and
currently
in
your
chamber
by
danny
carroll,
who
is
a
retired
officer,
and
when
you
talk
to
officers
there
is
one
thing
they
will
be
consistent
in:
they
do
not
want
other
bad
officers
in
their
ranks.
N
N
N
N
So
I
think
we
came
out
with
a
bill
that
was
targeted
at
part
of
the
situation
that
to
me
and
in
my
opinion,
under
the
circumstances
that
which
is
guaranteed
to
us,
by
the
constitution
of
the
state
and
of
the
united
states,
that
individuals
are
entitled
to
a
presumption
of
innocence,
to
have
right
of
counsel,
if
necessary,
a
jury
and
to
produce
witnesses
and
that
jury
be
made
up
of
members
of
your
peers
and
community.
This
young
lady
was
denied
that
and
should
not
have
been.
N
This
isn't
not
something-
and
I
heard
the
the
professor
say
this.
This
is
an
indictment
of
a
situation
and
other
things
have
occurred.
Police
officers
have
a
tough
job
and
the
majority
of
officers
are
good,
but
there
are
always,
as
we
see
in
any
profession,
people
who
do
the
wrong
thing
or
make
mistakes.
N
That
house
that
brianna
taylor
died
in
because
it
would
not
have
complied
with
this
statute
because
it
was
not
within
the
realm
of
violent
offender,
statutes,
threats,
terroristic
activities,
weapons
of
mass
destruction
or
biological
weapons.
Because
of
exactly
what
the
professor
said,
this
is
high
risk.
N
B
What
I'm
going
to
do
at
this
time,
too,
is
representative
scott.
If
you
want
to
come
up
to
the
far
side
of
the
table,
we
can,
we
can
take
questions
for
both
presenters.
Obviously,
the
vote
we
will
cast
will
be
upon
senate
bill
4,
as
I
indicated
at
the
start
of
the
meeting,
but
I
certainly
want
to
have
the
opportunity
for
everyone.
This
is
an
important
issue
for
our
state
for
everyone
to
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
So
do
we
have
questions.
N
Mr
chairman,
can
I
say
this:
we've
had
a
couple
of
discussions
and
actually
something
that
I
would
look
at
representative
scott
about.
I
think
she
had
some
suggestions
about,
maybe
even
in
certain
circumstances,
broadening
the
scope
of
I
think
sexual
offenses
pornography,
child
pornography,
child
offenses.
I
am
not
in
any
way
opposed
to
certain
things
like
that,
so
I
think
we
can
have
good
discussions
in
the
future,
but
I
truly
believe
that
the
process
needs
to
continue
yeah.
O
I
just
want
to
thank
both
of
you.
I
just
want
to
comment
no
questions.
Thank
you
both
for
bringing
this
for
to
a
forefront
and
the
general
assembly.
It's
been
a
very
important
conversation,
as
our
former
colleague
charles
booker,
mentioned
from
the
hood
to
the
hauler.
I
don't
know
if
lucille
has
hollers,
but
I
am
I've
been
part
of
the
18th
district
conversation.
O
And
I
just
appreciate
it-
I
really
took
some
time
this
summer
to
learn
more
about
no
knock
warrants,
it's
something
I
had
never
encountered
in
any
of
my
professional
career
and
I
met
with
police
officers,
I'm
with
judges.
I
had
conversations
with
my
community
and
I
think
that
that
lends
us
a
real
opportunity
as
a
legislator
to
learn
more
and
to
listen.
O
G
Thank
you.
I
thank
both
of
you
guys
for
this
presentation
today.
You
know
I,
the
the
most
I
know
about
cops
is
what
I
see
on
tv
I
mean
I
just
I
have
a
few
friends
in
the
district
that
are
cops,
but
I've
never
even
done
one
of
the
driver
rounds
that
they
offer
to
legislators
and
other
office
holders.
G
I
was
thinking
if
somebody
came
into
my
house
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning,
unannounced
they're
going
to
get
going
to
get
some
resistance
in
my
house
now.
Here's
the
question,
two
questions
really
number
one
is
but-
and
this
is
for
you
too,
represent
scott
and
senator
before
this
ever
happened.
Did
you
know
that
there
were
there
was
there
was
a
no
knock
situation?
You
might
because
you're
the
lawyers
but
representative
scott,
before
before
this
ever
became
a
situation.
L
Yes
and
the
reason
why
I
said
that
our
life
experiences
are
different
is
because
they
are
as
a
black
woman
in
this
community
and
in
this
society.
I
can't
live
and
not
know
that
that
is
a
reality
for
many
of
us.
In
fact,
dr
kraska
mentioned
a
family
whose
home
had
been
broken
into
in
2019.
That's
in
the
district
I
serve
in
the
neighborhood
that
I
grew
up
in
the
russell
neighborhood
of
louisville.
So,
yes,
I
was
aware
very
rare.
N
I
was
asked
to
prepare
a
an
arrest
warrant
based
on
information
obtained
from
another
jurisdiction
out
of
state
for
two
individuals
who
are
believed
to
have
been
involved
in
a
double
murder
and
were
stopping
in
manchester
for
a
period
of
time
before
they
went
to
florida,
aware
of
it
through
law
school,
but
have
actually
practiced
it
as
an
assistant
commonwealth
attorney,
because
I
was
up
at
four
o'clock
that
morning
to
make
sure
if
anything
happened.
I
was
present
for
legal
advice.
That
was
my
first
real
life
experience.
G
N
I
am
not
totally
aware
of
the
circumstances.
What
I
do
know
about
a
no-knock
raid
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
information,
evidence
or
indicia
of
a
drug
crime
or
paraphernalia
should
not
have
been
done
by
one
o'clock
in
in
the
morning,
and
I
think
the
professor
talked
about
this.
I
am
really
at
a
loss
to
understand
why
at
eight
o'clock
walking
out
the
door
if
they
had
some
belief,
reasonable
and
articulable
suspicions
that
they
didn't
do
it.
That
way,
you
know,
and
again
I
wasn't
there.
I
don't
know
all
the
circumstances.
N
F
I
would
have
preferred
to
have
seen
sb4
passed
and
coming
to
this
committee
and
sb
21
pass
through
this
committee
going
to
the
floor
and
then
working
all
of
this
out
through
the
reconciliation
process
later
on.
But
that
said,
I'm
really
glad
that
we're
having
this
conversation
and
have
have,
I
have
talked
with
law
enforcement.
In
my
district
I
have
a
brand
new
police
chief
first
black
police
chief
in
history
of
warren
county
and
is
very
supportive
of
the
idea
of
getting
rid
of
no
knock
warrants.
F
My
sheriff,
who
is
doing
an
excellent
job,
also
very
committed
to
getting
rid
of
no
knock
warrants
and
said.
You
know,
there's
just
not
a
reason
to
to
do
this,
so
I'm
glad
we're
starting
this
conversation
in
the
committee
today
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
both
of
you
going
forward
to
make
sure
that
nobody
loses
their
life
to
one
of
these
warrants
ever
again.
Thank
you.
I
Again,
thank
you.
Both
I
was
curious.
Senator
stivers
is
there
any.
I
was
reading
the
amendments
from
brianna's
law
21
and
I
really
like
the
paramedic
or
emergency
services
being
available
close
by
for
any
no
knock.
That
was,
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
looked
at
that
thought
of
it
or
if
we
could
add
it
an
amendment.
N
Representative,
I
have
correct
me:
was
it
two
or
three
days
ago,
monday
monday,
my
time
somewhat
gets
lost
at
this
point
of
the
session.
On
monday
we
discuss
this.
I
reached
out
to
individuals
who
have
more
knowledge
about
what
the
composition
of
these
individuals
are,
that
have
the
training
expertise.
N
They
told
me
that
when
they
perform
these
types
and
execute
these
types
of,
be
it
search
warrants
or
arrest
warrants,
but
generally
two
of
their
members
are
I'm
gonna.
Look
at
representative
mosier
emt
certified
is
am
I
am
I
right
with
that
technical
term,
but
if
they
are
not,
we
representative
scott-
and
I
had
this
discussion
monday
about
if
there
is
not
that
type
of
individual
accessible
instead
of
being
present,
be
on
notification
and
in
close
proximity.
N
If
something
does
happen,
I'm
amenable
to
discuss
that
because
I
think
we've
all
agreed.
This
is
a
volatile
situation,
high
risk
type
of
conduct,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
improper
conduct
but
conduct
right.
That
has
lots
of
opportunities,
and-
and
you
know
I
I
won't
agree
with
representative
scott-
I
I
don't
have
the
knowledge
she
has
and
I'll
never
say
that
I
can
say
I
never
will
so
do
I
know
it.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
a
comment
and
a
quick
question.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
events
of
this
past
summer
in
louisville
and
representative
scott.
I
I
was
there
when
you
called
several
of
us
to
come
down
and
see
what
was
happening
at
injustice
square
park
to
see
the
protesters
assembled
peaceably
exercising
their
constitutional
rights.
You
had
called
us
there
just
so
we
could
see
what
was
happening
see
why
people
were
gathered.
K
I
was
there
when
you
were
released
from
jail.
I
was
not
there
when
you
were
arrested
that
night,
but
I
was
on
the
phone
with
attorneys
city
and
law
enforcement,
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
we
could
do
to
help
how
he
could
get
you
and
ashanti
and
shamika,
and
several
others
that
were
arrested
with
you
out
safe,
especially
given
the
coveted
pandemic
raging
around
you.
I
I
want
to.
K
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
house
bill
21
is
for
hearing
only.
I
appreciate
the
chairman
providing
time
for
this
discussion
because
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
important
one.
I
just
wanted
to
lift
up
the
work
that
you've
done
over
the
past
year
and
to
reiterate
the
point
that
we
would
not
be
having
this
conversation
if
it
was
not
for
that
work
that
you
did
and
for
the
the
lives
of
the
protesters
and
the
fact
that
you
yourself
put
your
body
on
the
line
and
ashanti
your
daughter
was
right
there
with
you.
K
I
think
that
the
use
of
no
knock
warrants
in
such
a
broad
capacity
is
one
of
the
many
remnants
and
tactics
and
policies
that
were
born
out
of
the
you
know,
disaster
that
we
call
the
war
on
drugs,
which
we
know
now
is
basically
been
a
war
on
poor
black
and
brown
people,
and
I
noticed
and
I'll
go
right
into
my
question
here
that
senator
stivers
your
bill
does
not
limit
that.
So
it
does
talk
about
the
violent
offender
statute,
but
my
understanding
is
that
there
are.
K
There
are
subsections
in
there
corresponding
to
the
use
of
no
knock
warrants
in
situations
involving
drugs.
Can
you
explain
some
of
that?
Because
you
know,
we've
heard
from
from
law
enforcement,
we've
heard
from
the
professor
we've
heard
from
different
stakeholders
that
you
know,
and
then
that
includes
a
louisville
swat
officer
who
said
there's
no
amount
of
dope.
That
is
worth
an
officer's
life.
B
N
As
I
would
say,
aggravated
penalties
when
you
start
with
a
certain
level,
then
a
second
conviction,
third,
conviction.
Fourth
conviction
that
may
actually
get
you
into
that
realm.
The
thought
process
on
that
is.
First
of
all,
you
have
an
officer
that
I
understand
the
graduated
nature
of
the
offenses,
but
that's
why
you
have
a
whole
series
and
levels
of
officer
supervisor.
N
That's
the
rationale
of
putting
those
safeguards
in
and
the
tiered
structure
of
trying
to
obtain
this.
I
cannot
legislate
all
circumstances.
Nor
can
we
legislate
conduct,
but
I
think
one
would
be
ill-advised
to
be
an
officer
to
do
that,
a
supervisor
to
do
that,
a
prosecutor
to
do
that
or
a
judge
who
initially
and
ultimately
reviews
it
to
ask
for
either
an
arrest
warrant
or
a
search
warrant
based
on
those
types
of.
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
make
this
quick.
I
don't
really
have
a
question
so
much
as
a
comment.
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
representative,
scott,
it's
good
to
see
you
representative,
booker
and
professor
pasca
for
being
here
and
then
and
giving
voice
to
a
really
difficult
situation
and
and
a
set
of
circumstances,
certainly
and
then
senator
stivers.
Thank
you
for
elevating
this
issue.
E
I
think
the
the
the
emt
provisions
are
are
reasonable,
and
so
it
sounds
like
there's
still
opportunities
to
continue
these
conversations
and-
and
you
know
to
senator
stivers
point-
sometimes
you
know-
and
I'm
I'm
probably
the
biggest
advocate
for
drug
treatment.
Here
and
and
really
you
know,
understanding
the
underlying
problems,
but
there
are
definitely
times
that
drug
crimes
rise
to
a
very
violent
situation,
and
so
you
know
I
mean
as
much
as
we
all
want
to
say
absolutely.
E
There
is
never
a
time
for
an
a
no
knock
warrant
situation
or
barging
into
someone's
home
unannounced.
I
don't
know
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
law
enforcement
officer.
I
you
know,
I
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
so
I
I
don't
know
legally
all
of
the
all
of
the
ramifications
of
of
completely
doing
away
with
this,
but
I
but
I
appreciate
the
the
very
thoughtful
conversation.
So
thank
you
both.
Thank
you
all
and
I
look
forward
to
moving
this
conversation
forward.
B
Thank
you,
representative
mosher.
My
comments
will
be
briefed
too.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
presenters
this.
We
knew
this
would
be
a
meeting
that
would
need
some
time.
This
was
something
that
impacted
all
of
us
in
kentucky,
certainly
some
more
than
others
in
the
community
that
it
happened,
and
I've
said
all
along
that.
B
Sometimes
we
can
only
do
so
much
as
a
general
assembly
to
address
things
when
there's
inherent
problems
that
go
on
in
the
communities,
including
poverty,
racism,
things
of
that
nature
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
this
might
deal
with
certain
circumstances,
but
the
culprit.
The
the
thing
behind
all
of
this
are
the
other
problems
that
we
all
have
to
work
together
to
resolve,
and
I
want
to
thank
representative
scott
we've
had
a
discussion
about
that.
B
I
want
to
thank
both
of
you
for
the
hard
work
you
did
on
this.
I
know
that
we
were
all
awaiting
this
discussion,
part
of
the
reason
that
it
happened.
The
way
it
did
is
just
the
way
it
goes
through
the
process
and
ultimately,
winds
up
in
the
committee.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
effort
on
that.
I
don't
see
any
other
comments.
So,
madam
secretary,
if
you
would
please
call
the
role
regarding
senate
bill,
4.
I
D
G
H
My
vote
is
because
I
want
to
join
in
some
of
the
good
will
that's
being
offered
here
and
and
say
you
know
to
to
representative
scott
and
president
cyrus.
Please
continue
working
together.
This
has
resulted
in
a
better
process
and
better
piece
of
legislation
because
of
your
collaboration,
and
please
don't
let
that
collaboration
end
just
because
this
bill
passes
committee,
or
whatever
happens
after
that.
Please
talk
to
each
other
about
amendments
and
listen
to
the
conversation
that's
been
had
today
and
carry
that
forward.
Thank
you.
D
D
C
K
D
F
Representative
mentor
briefly
explain
my
vote.
Please,
I'm
gonna
pass
today
and
reserve
the
right
to
vote
yes
on
the
floor.
This
conversation
that
we're
having
today
represents
the
best
of
what
this
body
can
be.
We
are
standing
up
for
justice,
we're
working
together
across
the
aisle
to
actively
solve
problems
in
both
chambers,
and
I
would
love
to
see
some
of
these
reasonable
amendments
that
that
representative
scott
is
proposing
get
on
this
bill
going
forward,
but
I
look
forward
to
being
a
yes
on
the
floor.
F
C
D
L
B
D
B
B
And
representative
stevenson:
okay,
all
right
so
with
regards
to
house
bill
551
there
being
11,
yes,
votes,
five,
no
votes
and
three
pass
house
bill:
551
is
adopted
and
with
favorable
expression
that
the
same
should
pass
as
amended
by
the
committee
sub
and
everyone.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
We
are,
for
the
committee's
purposes
scheduled
to
have
a
meeting
on
monday,
the
15th
at
11.