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B
A
C
Givens
sure
Hal
thank
you
very
much
I'm
honored
to
have
with
us
today
my
friend
Todd
Griffin
and
some
AG
Business
Association
of
Kentucky
board
members.
If
they
could
stand
and
be
recognized,
we
appreciate
so
much
as
retailers
the
work
the
association
does
across
our
Commonwealth.
So
these
leaders
Mr
chairman,
if
we
could
recognize
their
presence
here
from
abak.
D
A
Anyone
else
I
have
with
me
Jackson
major
he's
paging
for
me
today
he's
a
sophomore
in
Fulton
County,
High
School,
where
I
was
born
and
raised,
and
educated
and
I've
been
lifelong
friends
with
both
of
his
parents
and
their
families,
and
just
happy
to
have
him
here
with
me.
Today,
too,.
A
A
There's
been
a
motion
by
Senator
Thayer
and
a
second
by
Senator
Wilson.
We
did
please
vote
by
Voice
vote.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
all
opposed
name
motion
carries.
We
have
the
bill
before
you,
as
amended
by
the
committee
sub,
and
before
you
start
there
is
a
local
mandate
on
this.
It
was
no
real
of
impact,
but
the
members
any
member
that
wants
to
see
it.
We
can
provide
a
copy
of
it
through
staff.
After
just
see
me
afterwards,
Senator
Higdon
floor
is.
E
D
E
We
don't
do
that
in
the
Senate
back
years
ago,
when
I
was
a
retailer,
there
was
very
strict
rules
that
the
health
department
put
out
to
prevent
animals
from
coming
into
food
service
places,
restaurants
and
grocery
stores
over
the
years.
That's
kind
of
eroded
with
these
emotional
support
animals
that
folks
have
and
they're
not
service
animals,
they're
they're,
just
self-described
emotional
support
animals.
E
This
bill,
if
you
look
at
the
majority
of
this
bill,
is
a
repeat
of
the
Ada
Americans
with
Disability
Act,
the
first
page,
you
know
when
it
it
describes
on
on
page
four,
when
it
describes
a
assistance
dog,
that's
an
ADA
definition.
The
main
part
of
this
bill
is
on
page
four
paragraph
B,
emotional
support.
E
Animal
means
a
companion,
animal
that
may
Provide
support
to
alleviate
the
symptoms
and
effects
of
a
person's
disability,
but
the
animal
has
not
been
individually
trained
to
do
the
work
or
perform
task
of
a
person
with
a
disability
and
not
considered
a
service
animal
on
the
American
with
Disabilities
Act.
That's
the
main
part
of
this
this
bill.
E
All
that
is
is
Ada
just
printed
right
out
of
the
Ada
America's
Disability
Act
page
six,
the
same
thing
page
seven,
all
that
is
Americans
with
Disability
Act
when
you
come
down
to
on
page
seven
at
the
bot
on
two
at
the
bottom,
under
under
16
and
she'll,
be
unlawful
for
any
person
to
represent
misrepresent
a
dog
or
assistance
dog
as
part
of
a
request
for
an
accommodation
under
section
two
of
this
act
and
there's
some
pretty
healthy
fines
for
doing
that,
and
then
on
page
eight,
two
and
three
that's
also
new
language
and
to
be
on
Miss,
ripon's
misrepresentation
of
a
dog
as
an
assistance
dog
to
gain
accommodations
under
section
two
under
section
two
under
paragraph
two
of
section
three
of
this
acts
as
a
violation
with
the
fine
up
to
one
thousand
dollars
and
the
next
paragraph
all
fines.
E
Creating
this
subsection
will
be
collected
under
that
subsection
after
cost
and
commissions
have
been
deducted
to
pay
the
department
to
be
credited
to
the
animal
control
and
Care
fund
created
under
section.
One
of
this
act
with
50
to
be
used
for
spraying
spay
and
neuter
and
50
Cent
50
to
be
used
for
block
grants
to
County
animal
shelters
thousand
dollars
seems
like
a
large
fine,
but
that
goes.
We
passed
legislation
a
few
years
ago
for
tenants
and
landlords
that
about
this.
E
This
very
item
emotional
support
animals
and
that's
the
fine
in
that
bill
for
misrepresenting
an
emotional
support
animal
as
a
service
animal.
E
That's
that's
basically
the
bill
and
it
it
tries
to
get
back
to
where
we
we
don't
allow
every
animal
just
to
walk
in
or
or
any
type
of
animal
to
be
carried
in
or
walked
into
a
food
service
establishment.
It
also
allows
the
for
well
in
the
Ada.
You
can
put
up
signs
that
says
that
you
know
it's
a
no
animal
or
to
resist
certain
animals
from
entering.
F
E
Right
now,
there's
it
seems
to
be
no
restrictions
on
what
animals
are
brought
into
food
service
establishments
that
they're
it's
pretty
much
wide
open.
Now
the
Health
Department's
not
not
regulating
that
the
Ada
covers
there's
a
very
liberal
interpretation
of
Americans
with
Disability
Act
that
any
animal
can
be
considered
a
service
animal
and
so
there's
there's
not
much.
There's
no
restrictions
that
I'm
aware
of.
F
F
A
You
and
Senator
hignton
I
just
have
a
follow-up
to
that.
If
we
Pat
this
law,
would
that
change
the
allowance
to
where
the
the
business
owner
here
would
have
the
discretion
to
enforce
this
or
not?
Does
it
just
give
the
the
business
owner
the
tools
to
do
this
if
they
choose
to
it.
A
It's
not
mandated
that
they
do
just
gives
them
the
control
of
their
own
business
right.
Thank
you,
Senator
Thayer
I
believe
you
had
a
question.
Thank.
D
You
Mr
chairman
Senator
Higdon.
Does
this
affect
restaurants
as
well?
Yes,
good,
you
know.
I'm
a
dog
guy,
Love
Dogs
had
pets.
My
whole
life,
but
I've
certainly
noticed
over
the
last
10
years,
maybe
even
the
last
five
years,
just
sort
of
a
liberalization
of
acceptance
of
where
people
can
take
their
pets
and
I.
I
appreciate
your
approach
because
I
think
it
diminishes
those
who
truly
need
a
service,
animal
and
I
think
it's
I
sometimes
feel
like
this
is
the
new
taking
advantage
of
a
handicapped
parking
space.
D
You
know
people
would
would
have
forged
handicapped
parking
spaces
to
get
them
a
closer
parking
spot
to
the
grocery
store,
and
you
know
that
was
obviously
inconvenient
at
at
best,
and
you
know
a
lie
at
worst
for
people
who
did
that
and
I
feel
like
people
who
falsify
their
dogs
as
service
animals,
just
because
they
don't
that
they
feel
like
taking
their
pet
everywhere.
I
think
that
diminishes
the
the
true
need.
So
I
appreciate
the
bill.
C
Chairman
Howell,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
ask
a
question:
Senator
Higdon
legislation
is
interesting
to
me
in
the
way
that
we
move
from
the
way
the
world
was
to
the
way
the
world
will
be
and
and
looking
at
it
I'm
intrigued
by.
If,
if
I'm
reading
it
correctly,
the
word
assistance
dog
is
used
throughout
KRS
already
so
the
phrase
assistant
dog
exists
in
current
language.
We
see
it
there
on
page
five
line,
14
line
19.
C
E
There
that's
a
good
question:
I
I
know
it.
I've
worked
on
this
bill
for
quite
a
while,
and
there
was
a
real
I
guess:
confusion
between
service,
animal
and
service
dog,
but
there
is
a
definition
for
service
dog
in
this
and
to
answer
your
question:
I,
don't
know
if
it's
mentioned
in
statute
anywhere
else
or
not.
It.
A
Put
them
on
the
spot
here
and
while
they're
going
through
that,
what
in
kind
of
a
partial
answer
to
Senator
Givens
question
this
will
be
defined
in
the
residential
landlord
tenant
act,
it's
kind
of
model
legislation
throughout
the
country
where
they
discuss
about
service
animals
and
how
to
handle
that
from
a
landlord
standpoint.
It's
my
understanding
that
these
definitions
are
sprinkled
throughout
other
things,
and
it's
it's
time
to
sprinkle
them
into
this
Arena.
E
E
G
A
E
G
On
what
is
already
in
place,
does
it's
not
taking
away
anyone's
assistance
dogs
or
it
just
clearly
defines
what
those
are
in
comparison
to
service
animals
and
current
folks
that
want
to
go
through
that
application
process?
May
still
do
so,
as
is
current
law.
This
just
simply
clearly
defines
what
those
are
and
where
they
are
permitted.
E
That's
correct
and
the
Ada's
been
in
been
in
existence
for
for
many
years
and
and
the
the
assistant
dogs
and
the
qualifications
for
that
are
all
spelled
out
very
clearly
and
and
this
one
it
just
says
that
the
emotional
support
animals
are
not
service,
animals
and
they're
not
covered
under
the
Americans,
with
Disability
Act.
Thank.
A
It
gives
a
good
framework
for
landlords
to
be
able
to
enforce
situations
with
animals
where
there
is
a
legitimate
need
and
a
and
a
documented
need,
and
not
I
have
friends
and
family
that
use
service
animals
for
physical
health
reasons
and
for
mental
health
reasons
and
they're
all
too
happy
to
have
their
paperwork
with
them
and
explain
anything
they
need
for
this
and
bills
like
this.
What's
something
that
gets
lost
in
the
shuffle?
A
Is
that
bills
like
this
protect
the
people
that
truly
need
it
from
the
people
who
are
just
trying
to
push
the
envelope
on
things?
Some
of
my
friends
have
come
under
some
verbal
attack
at
times,
because
everything
gets
painted
under
the
same
brush
and
they
just
think
they're
bringing
their
dog
into
into
a
place
because
they
don't
want
to
leave
their
dog
at
home
when
in
fact
they
have
a
legitimate
medical
reason
to
do
so
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill
to
protect
them
from
that
type
of
thing
as
well.
A
B
H
I'm
going
to
pass
at
this
time-
and
you
know
I
like
seeing
dogs
have
jobs
I
like
seeing
people
have
dogs
and
I
would
just
I'm
going
to
take
a
little
more
time
to
anticipate
the
potential
impact
of
whether
or
not
people
might
be
forced
to
surrender
their
dogs
in
a
landlord
tenant
situation
or
anything
of
that
nature.
I
just
I
just
want
to
to
be
sure.
H
I
think
we
have
laws
in
place
I'm
a
landlord,
but
we
have
laws
in
place
to
protect
that
now,
but
I
I'm
going
to
look
at
it,
but
I
reserve
the
right
to
change
my
vote.
I'm
going
to
pass
now.
A
A
Leaders
there
is
always
on
top
of
things
next
up,
Senator
Higdon
staying
in
and
as
the
Sultan
of
solid
waste
I
think
it's
you're
the
perfect
person
to
bring
this
before
us,
but
we
have
Senate
Bill
213.
If
the
people
that
will
come
hey,
you
knew
it
was
coming.
I
got
I
I
have
the
microphone
first,
so
I
get
first
mover
Advantage
here,
but
will
you
introduce
your
guest
and
then
I
believe
we
do
have
a
committee
sub
for
this
we
have
a
motion
to
adopt.
The
committee
sub
motion
by
leader.
A
Thayers
are
second
second
by
Senator
Dineen,
all
in
favor,
please
vote
aye
all
opposed,
nay.
The
committee
sub
is
adopted.
Senator
Higdon
introduce
you
guess
and
proceed.
E
I
have
I
have
with
me
Rusty
Cress,
you
know,
usually
when
I
present
a
bill.
I
try
to
do
it
alone.
This
could
be
a
deep
subject.
E
It
could
be
some
techn,
you
know
some
technical
questions,
but
I
have
Rusty
here
with
me.
Also
Tom
Fitzgerald
is
in
the
audience
and
and
Tom
worked
with
us
on
this
bill
and
and
the
folks
from
the
energy
and
environmental
cabinet,
Tony
Hatton,
Barry,
Mayfield
and
Larry
Taylor
they're
here
to
answer
any
questions
also,
but
this
this
bill
came
to
me.
E
I
have
several
of
the
cities
in
my
district
that
have
had
problems
getting
permits
to
to
get
rid
of
their
sludge
that
it's
collected
at
the
sewer
disposal
plants,
and
so
they
they've
had
trouble
getting
those
permits.
So
this
is
a
an
attempt
to
make
sure
that
the
permits
are
considered
on
a
timely
basis
and
to
bring
into
effect
to
start
the
40
CFR
part
503
of
the
federal
law.
Kentucky.
E
Again,
this
is
a
problem
across
the
state.
Getting
these
permits
and
there's
just
a
lot
of
requirements
for
these
permits.
There's
I
guess
you
had
to
have
the
right
land,
there's
setback
requirements
from
residents
from
sinkholes
from
water,
and
so
a
lot
goes
into
this
and
it's
a
this
sludge
is
a
normal
byproduct
of
wastewater
treatment
and
there's
only
three
ways
to
dispose
of
this.
Once
we
have
it.
Landfill
which
are
landfills
across
the
state
are
are
finally
saying
we
don't
want
any
more
of
this.
Our
landfills
are
filling
up
fast
enough.
E
Without
you
bringing
this
sludge
also,
we
can
land
apply
it
which
we're
talking
about
today
or
you
can
incinerate
it
and
that
technology
is
not
exactly
perfected.
Just
yet
so.
Mr
chairman
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Rusty
and
see
if
he
has
any
additional
comments
or
the
answer.
Any
questions.
I
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
I
I,
do
not
have
a
substantial
number
of
comments.
I'm
sure
Senator
Webb
is
pleased
with
that,
but
it
takes
a
disjointed
regulatory
approach
that
has
been
used
by
the
cabinet
for
some
time
and
centers
it
upon
a
federal
program.
I
A
You
is
my
understanding
in
this
that
the
federal
Clean
Water,
Act
and
related
environmental
statutes
kind
of
Drive.
What
we
do
here
in
Kentucky.
So
this
just
kind
of
ties
us
and
aligns
us
with
those
statutes.
I've.
I
Heard
numbers
and
I
haven't,
sat
down
and
counted
them,
but
I
think
there
was
44
other
states
that
use
40
CFR
part
503.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
I
believe
Senator
West
has
a
question
yeah.
J
Just
a
quick
question:
this
question
is
for
Mr
Cress.
Thank
you
just
briefly
describe
to
us
what
40
CFR
503
does
and
then
how
it
relates.
You
know
what's
actually
happening
here
to
to
the
applicators
I.
I
Guess
well
not
to
make
a
joke,
but
I'll
make
a
joke.
I
I
pick
out
a
tie.
Every
Tuesday
based
on
what
I
see
the
week
being
and
I
decided
since
it
was
starting
March
and
Springtime
I
was
going
to
use
my
B
tie,
but
I
was
going
to
have
my
pigs
flying
because
it's
a
lot.
I
said
last
year:
it's
the
last
time
I'll
ever
deal
with
40
CFR
part
503.
Well,.
D
I
Am
pigs
are
flying.
It
in
essence
provides
for
the
land
application
pollutant
limits
it
has
General
requirements,
has
a
limited
number
of
setback
requirements,
I.
Think
10
meters
from
a
a
stream
is
about
the
only
limitation
in
Kentucky.
As
you
are
well
well
aware,
we
have
a
a
lot
of
the
coarse
terrain
that
we
need
to
deal
with
the
sinkholes
and
it
goes
into
the
the
management
practices
and
also
has
an
annual
reporting
requirement
as
to
concentrations
amounts,
and
it's
about
a
I.
J
Gotcha
and
so
the
the
applicator
they're
still
going
to
be
allowed
to
apply.
Yes,.
I
A
K
The
Dallas
County
Commissioner
Davis
County,
we
had
a
nice
landfill
one
of
the
questions
that
that
seemed
to
be
what
concerned
the
public
most
about
anything.
What
had
to
do
with
the
landfills
whether
stuff
is
going
to
be
coming
from
outside
of
our
community.
How
will
this
be
on
affect
like,
for
example,
out
of
state
waste
holders,
possibly
bringing
this
type
of
material
to
Kentucky.
E
Well,
they're
already
they
can
already
do
that,
so
this
doesn't
add
to
that
that
ability
form
to
bring
that
to
a
a
landfill,
and
it
doesn't
take
that
away
we're
primarily
talking
about
land
farming,
where
you
take
this
sludge
and
apply
it
to
a
to
a
field
as
fertilizer
and
it's
a
very
appropriate
way
to
get
rid
of
it.
But
the
Kentucky
regulations
were
a
bit
stringent
and
we
we
want
to
go
to
the
Federal
Regulations,
where
there's
they're
not
as
stringent
and
and
we
can,
we
can
move
them
along
in
a
more
timely
basis.
E
I
know:
Central
West
has
probably
heard
from
Moorhead
that
they're
having
problems
in
Morehead
I,
know
bar
sounds,
has
issues
with
it:
Lebanon,
maybe
even
Frankfurt
there's
there
are
several
places
that
that
like
to
do
land
farming,
and
so
this
is
just
helps
them
with
that.
I
think
that's
a.
K
A
No,
would
this
legislation
make
it
easier
from
a
regulatory
standpoint
to
to
move
Interstate,
because
we
would
be
tied
in
directed
more
to
the
Federal
Regulations,
but
does
that
actually
make
it
easier
for
that
to
happen?
Mr.
I
Unless
you're
right
on
the
border,
but
it's
really
who
the
farmer
would
be
contracting
with
cities
contract
with
the
farmers
and
I
didn't
mention
that
I'm
representing
the
Kentucky
League
of
cities
on
this
issue
to
know.
Okay,.
H
L
Tom
Fitzgerald,
a
formerly
director
of
the
Kentucky
Resources
Council
Senator,
there
is
going
didn't
we
say
goodbye
to
you
last
session.
It's
good
to
see
it's
good
to
see
you
I
I
was
going
to
say
that
that
Senator
Hayden
should
be
the
saint
of
sludge,
because
he
has
really
been
been
doing.
L
Yeoman's
work,
trying
to
get
a
balance
and
we're
trying
to
hit
the
sweet
spot
where
you
are
not
making
it
difficult
for
cities
to
have
the
waste
land
applied,
but
you
also
want
to
protect
the
farmers,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
nutrients
that
are
very
beneficial
in
biosolids
which
are
sewage.
You
know
Municipal
treatment,
plant
sludge,
but
there
are
also
chemicals
that
come
from
Industrial
Waste
Waters
that
are
can
be
of
concern
depending
on
the
concentration.
L
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
in
addition
to
the
503
standards
which
are
self-certifying,
everyone
has
to
comply
with
them.
If
they
fall
within
that
category
and
there's
nothing
more,
we
need
to
do
those
are
already
requirements
for
the
cities,
we're
trying
to
better
consolidate
what
we
believe
is
necessary
to
protect
the
groundwater
and
surface
water
in
this
state
and
to
assure
that
over-application
doesn't
occur
so
that
farmers
don't
end
up
with
contaminated
land,
because
there
are
some
emerging
contaminants
of
concern,
pfos
among
them
that
we
want
to
try
to
anticipate.
L
So
we
don't
end
up
spreading
waste
today
that
end
up
as
a
Superfund
Site
tomorrow.
So
there's
you
know
we're
trying
to
hit
that
balance.
This
allows
that
conversation
to
continue.
It
looks
to
the
503
standards
and
to
augment
them
as
necessary
to
protect
Kentucky's
farmers
and
also
protect
Kentucky's
environment.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
question
and
I
appreciate
very
much
the
senator
being
willing
to
stay
with
this
issue
and
to
try
to
balance
all
the
different
perspectives
in
a
way.
That's
responsible,
yeah.
H
I
think
it's
fair
to
acknowledge
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
put
in
on
this
Senator
Higdon
certainly
has
and
and
talked
to
a
lot
of
stakeholders
and
that's
the
way
we
turn
out
a
good
product,
but
I've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
the
water
issues
during
my
tenure
here
and
I.
Just
think
it's
relevant
to
note
that
we've
got
everybody
at
the
table
nodding
in
agreement.
So
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
L
Have
both
you,
you
have
surface,
you
know,
surface
application,
you
have
injection
that
occurs
and
it
depends
on.
You
know
the
the
the
terrain.
It
depends
on
the
type
of
soil.
It
depends
on
the
type
of
of
use
for
that
Farmland.
No.
A
L
Yeah,
you
know
the
difference
being
with
the
with,
as
you
know,
the
cost
of
fertilizer.
This
can
be
very
sure,
very
beneficial.
You
know
Farmers
look
at
it
say
you
can't
beat
the
price
when
somebody's
giving
you
the
waste
right,
but
but
you
want
to
make
sure
that
those
farmers
are
fully
aware
of
of
the
fact
that
there
are
some
things
that
don't
have
any
agronomic
value
that
may
be
in
this
waste.
So
anyone.
A
A
Aye
is
unanimous
passage,
Senator
Higdon,
thank
you
for
staying
with
us.
I
know
that
you
have
felt
like
your
neck
deep
in
this.
K
A
Times
but
but
it
has
passed
unanimously,
is
there
the
Senate
Bill
213,
as
amended
by
the
committee
itself?
Is
there
a
motion.
E
A
Does
anyone
else
have
any
issues
to
come
before
us
today,
Senator
West
was
held
up
and
another
comedian
just
came
in
late.
Do
you
wish
to
register
a
vote
on
Senate
Bill,
92.
Mr.