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A
This
is
what
we
get
when
we
have
two
committees.
At
the
same
time
so
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
C
D
B
A
Here:
okay,
thank
you
guys
for
being
here.
This
is
the
fifth
meeting
of
the
house,
elections,
constitutional
amendments
and
intergovernmental
affairs
committee,
and
it's
called
to
order
and
please
turn
off
your.
Please
turn
on
your
microphones
when
you're
talking,
because
we
have
a
ke
ket
audience
today
and
they
want
to
hear
how
you
vote
and
please
remember,
to
silence
your
phones-
and
this
is
the
point
where
I
silence
mine,
because
we
don't
want
that
to
happen.
A
First
off
senator
pro
tim
givens,
if
you'll
approach,
we'll
start
off
with
senate
bill
181.
just
say
your
name
and
title
and
the
floor
is
yours,
sir.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
E
Chair
bratcher
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
in
front
of
you
today,
first
time
for
me
in
front
of
this
committee,
and
I
do
appreciate
that
senator
david
gibbons
knight
senate
district
here
to
present
senate
bill
181
for
your
consideration.
This
is
companion
legislation
that
runs
alongside
house
bill.
4
house
bill
4
was
was
the
speaker's
constitutional
amendment
that
came
over
to
the
senate.
E
He
and
I
worked
together
on
that
legislation
in
the
senate
to
refine
it
some
and
in
the
midst
of
working
through
the
conversation
on
house
bill
4
that
constitutional
amendment
that
permits
us
to
return
to
session.
When
the
need
arises,
it
became
apparent.
It
became
apparent
that
we
could
do
the
best
work
for
the
people
by
separating
that
constitutional
amendment
into
a
companion
piece
of
legislation
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
here,
senate
bill
181,
while
continuing
on
the
path
with
house
bill
4.
E
the
key
change
that
you're
going
to
see
in
the
constitutional
amendment.
That's
also
reflected
in
this
companion
legislation
and
the
goal
of
which
is
to
give
us
the
most
power
with
the
least
danger
and
that's
a
fine
line
to
walk,
but
it
became
apparent
that
if
we
wrote
the
date,
if
we
continue
to
maintain
the
date
certain
of
the
end
of
march
and
april,
the
15th
in
the
constitution,
we
were
restricting
the
power
of
future
general
assemblies.
E
So
what
you
see
before
you
and
senate
bill
181
tries
to
thread
that
needle
in
the
ways
that
I've
mentioned,
I
call
it
a
responsive
government
piece
of
legislation
and
would
be
glad
to
walk
through
it
very
briefly
and
then
certainly
entertain
any
questions.
You
can
see
the
language
in
the
bill
that
addresses
the
odd-numbered
years.
First,
then,
it
addresses
the
even
number
of
years
maintaining
and
this
language
is
still
in
house
bill
4..
E
E
Now,
when
you
get
into
into
sub
four
paragraph
four,
what
you're
going
to
see
there
is
us
having
to
define
the
interim
as
we
move
down
this
path
of
moving
from
the
constitutional
constructs
into
a
statutory
construct.
We
have
to
define
some
things
we
previously
have
not
defined,
and
so
interim
period
comes
up.
E
In
that
conversation,
the
one
thing
that
initially
my
my
reaction
was-
I
don't
know
if
I
like
that
or
not,
but
after
lots
of
meetings,
bipartisan
meetings
with
members
of
the
house
and
the
senate,
this
concept
of
keeping
a
bill
alive
on
through
the
calendar
was
something
that
was
very
intriguing.
If
it's
a
good
issue
and
it's
a
good
bill,
it's
going
to
continue
to
survive
in
committee
if
it's
not
it'll
just
languish
in
committee
now
understand
what
that
means.
We're
still
going
to
have
what
we
consider
the
regular
session.
E
E
Mr
chairman,
member
of
the
committee,
I'll,
be
glad
to
address
any
questions.
I
have
said
in
my
presentations,
both
in
senate
committee
and
on
the
senate
floor
that
in
my
years
of
being
here
in
the
general
assembly,
this
may
be
the
most
substantial,
lasting
piece
of
legislation.
This
bill
along
with
house
bill
4.
The
constitutional
amendment,
tries
to
move
us
as
legislators
to
a
truly
co-equal
branch
of
government
level,
and
I
pause
there
to
make
one
more
brief
statement.
Think
about
what
we've
tried
to
do
with
house
bill.
F
Thank
you
senator
for
this
bill
and
for
the
consideration
of
house
bill
for
its
companion.
My
question
is
the
whole
point
of
house
bill
4
was
to
increase
the
authority
of
the
legislative
branch
by
staggering
the
available
legislative
days
throughout
the
year.
This
particular
bill
reinstates
the
the
ending
dates
for
each
session.
F
E
How
do
we
maintain
that
balance
of
being
citizens
and
legislators
at
the
same
time
who
are
not
so
driven-
and
I
know
everyone's
committed
to
this
place,
but
but
thankfully
we
have
that
citizen
legislator
role
and
the
goal
is
still
to
keep
that.
So
that's
the
reason
that
we
arrived
at
the
the
approach
we
did.
G
I'm
sorry
house
bill
4
because
it
left
the
house
with
in
one
way
and
came
back
in
another
way.
However,
they're
I've
had
a
couple
conversations
with
the
speaker.
I
really
have
enjoyed
getting
into
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
the
institution
and
what's
trying
to
be
accomplished
here-
and
I
I
don't
think
I
had
a
chance
to
ask
him
about
this
question
so
during
the
time
that
the
in
the
interim,
when
these,
when
the
committee
bill,
I'm
sorry
the
bills,
legislation
are
still
available
at
some
point.
G
E
That
is
correct.
That's
why
it
was
so
important
that
we
prescribed
the
word
interim
and
what
it
meant,
and
so
until
the
president
and
the
speaker
jointly
call
us
back
to
exercise
some
of
those
12
days.
Then
the
committees
can
meet
in
the
interim.
Do
the
normal
interim
work,
but
once
that
proclamation
has
happened
for
us
to
return,
the
committees
become
live
again
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
G
I'm
sorry
if
I
can
follow
up
yet
so
once
we
are
the
proclamation
that
takes
a
three-fifths
vote
for
the
proclamation
to
come
back
committees
can
become
live.
We
are
basically
back
to
session
days.
I
guess
up
to,
I
think
it's
up
to
12
days
that
are
available
in
a
max
of
four
in
a
week
from
what
I
recall
with
commit
with
legislation
that
is
prior
to
proclamation
being
passed.
G
We
will
have
the
ability
to
hear
testimony
about
legislation,
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
things
like
you
can't
refile
bills.
You
can't
do
amendments,
you
can't
committee
subs.
None
of
that
will
be
available.
It'll
just
be
all
for
discussion.
Only.
E
E
The
ability
to
return
is
now
going
to
be
by
joint
proclamation
of
the
speaker
and
the
president.
Those
two
alone
jointly
proclaim
the
senate
and
the
house
shall
reconvene.
The
general
assembly
shall
come
back
into
session
for
one
day
two
days
whatever
we
may
need
to
finish
bills
that
are
in
the
process
or
to
move
bills
through.
E
The
reason
we
arrived
at
12
days
was
so
we
could
do
five
and
one
for
veto
override
and
five
and
one
for
another
veto
override.
Should
that
need
a
rise
now,
the
way
committees
work,
we're
still
in
that
interim,
and
I
hesitate
to
say
this
with
certainty,
but
as
we
left
it-
and
I
think
it
is
in
the
bill
and
I've
just
rushed
over
from
the
senate
floor,
the
proclamation
can
only
be
for
up
to
a
two-week
period.
E
This
was
the
discussion
we
had,
so
we
could
proclaim
by
the
the
proclamation
of
those
two
that
were
coming
back
to
session,
and
then
committees
could
start
meeting
and
acting
on
bills
they
had
in
their
possession,
but
again
there's
no
way
to
get
a
bill
in
into
your
possession
until
the
general
assembly
convenes
and
assigns
a
bill
to
a
committee
and
there's
really
no
way.
A
committee
could
then
vote
a
bill
out,
but
until
the
general
assembly
reconvened
to
accept
that
report,
the
bill
is
still
in
the
possession
of
the
committee.
G
Thank
you
for
that,
and
that
was
great
clarification.
One
little
final
point
on
this.
So
when
we
in
the
sh
in
the
30-day
year
that
we
earn
session
the
60-day
year
we're
in
session,
we
could
have
bills
that
are
basically
on
the
orders
of
the
day.
G
E
E
So
wherever
that
bill
is
at
the
end
of
that
day,
that's
where
the
bill
is
it's
either
in
possession
of
the
rules,
committee
or
possession
of
the
committee
on
committees
or
in
the
possession
of
one
of
these
committees,
one
of
our
other
committees.
So
wherever
the
bill
is
at
that
point
in
time,
that's
where
it
will
be.
If
it
were
passed
over
on
the
orders
of
the
day
and
retained
in
the
rules
committee,
it
would
still
be
in
the
possession
of
the
rules
committee.
E
If
it's
in
the
rules
committee,
the
committee
like
this
could
not
act
on
it.
We'd
have
to
convene
move
it
out
of
rules
back
to
a
committee.
What
I
would
suggest
we
as
managers
of
of
the
floor
and
the
body
would
want
to
do,
is
we'd,
want
to
make
sure
that
all
bills
were
cleaned
off
of
rules
and
pushed
back
either
into
the
committee
on
committees,
or
preferably
back
to
one
of
these
committees
of
jurisdiction.
A
And
a
lot
of
the
rules,
creation
would
would
answer
a
lot
of
those
questions.
You
know
any
other
discussions.
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
bill.
You
know
I'm
a
big
advocate
for
legislative
independence.
You
know
I
did
a
plug
when
house
bill.
4
was
here
for
the
lrc.
They
have
a
great
video
on
the
history
of
legislative
independence.
I
mean
there
was
one.
There
was
a
time
when
the
governors
picked
the
leaders
of
the
senate
in
the
house.
I
mean
it.
A
E
Sorry
to
interrupt
the
flow,
because
I'm
excited
about
this
committee
moving
on
through
the
work,
I
know
that
you've
got
to
do,
but
should
this
pass
and
should
that
constitutional
amendment
make
it
to
the
ballot
I'm
going
to
be
leaning
in
a
very
positive
way
on
each
of
us
to
be
ambassadors,
because
we're
going
to
have
folks
in
the
grocery
store
or
at
the
ball
game
coming
up
and
saying.
What
does
this
do?
Do
you
support
it?
E
E
A
D
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
cast
and
explain
a
no
vote
and
it's
nothing
against
you.
Senator
givens
you've
done
a
great
job
of
explaining
the
bill.
I
voted
against
the
underlying
bill.
The
constitutional
amendment
house
before
and
I-
and
I
I
did
that-
understanding-
that
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
this
and
one
of
the
one
of
my
concerns
is
that
and
I'm
getting
into
some
weird
territory
with
what
I'm
about
to
say,
predicting
what
voters
are
going
to
do.
I'm
not.
D
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
confidence
that
the
voters
are
going
to
pass
this
amendment
and
I
do
but
I
do
feel
like
I
have
some
evidence
for
that,
because
they
did.
The
voters
did
not
ratify
the
amendment
that
was
on
our
most
recent
ballot.
Giving
judges
longer
terms-
and
I
think
giving
us
more
days
in
the
legislature
is
reinforces
this
perception
that
maybe
the
voters
would
be
giving
us
more
power.
I
don't
know
that.
D
B
F
C
H
C
C
C
G
G
I
know
that
this
was
the
speaker's
bill
prior
to
the
current
situation.
The
current
covet
situation,
so
there
there
are
some
positive
things
here
on
the
related
to
the
institution
which
I
do
like
so
I'm
gonna
pass
it
this
time.
A
Yes
and
I
believe
that's
good
senate
bill
181
passes
and
the
same
shall
be
sent
with
favorable
expression
to
the
house
or
the
I
guess
the
house
floor.
Yes,
yes,.
E
A
Okay,
we
have
some
more
senate
leadership
here
today,
robert
stivers,
the
senate,
the
president
senate,
the
president
of
the
senate,.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
president,
or
mr
chair,
robert
stivers
state
senator
for
the
25th
senate
district
and
also
the
president
of
the
kentucky
state
senate,
two
members
of
the
committee
and
the
chair.
I
I
I
Historically
used
to
the
senate,
the
state
senate
used
to
pick
your
united
states
senator,
as
I
see
representative
nemes,
putting
thumbs
down.
You
all
have
the
power
of
the
budget
and
revenue
raising.
We
have
confirmation,
powers
and
appointment
powers.
This
is
one
of
the
distinction
that
the
framers
of
our
constitution
put
in
there,
but
I
think
it
was
the
17th
amendment
to
the
united
states
constitution
that
changed
all
that.
But
if
you
think
about
that
process,
you
actually
got
elected
by
the
state
senate
to
be
your
state's
united
states,
senator.
I
That
is
no
longer
the
way
it
is,
but
we
get
to
prescribe
the
method
for
which
a
governor
can
replace
a
vacancy.
A
lot
of
people
ask
well
what
was
this
about.
Is
this
about
senator
mcconnell?
Is
he
retiring
he's
leaving?
Let
me
make
this
definitive
statement.
He
is
not
sick.
He
is
not
leaving,
maybe
to
some
people
chagrin,
but
he
plans
to
be
there,
because
I
asked
him
about
this
and
said.
If
I
file
this
people
will
question,
why
am
I
filing
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
anybody
potentially
leaving.
I
When
I
asked
about
the
purpose
of
this
bill,
he
looked
at
me
and
said:
I
think
it's
appropriate
and
I
like
what
it
does
and
if
you
think
about
two
years
ago,
when
senator
paul
was
injured
by
his
neighbor,
something
could
have
happened
there,
that
you
know,
god
forbid,
that
somebody
has
to
leave
because
of
health.
But
that
happens.
I
Some
people
just
get
tired
of
being
where
they
are,
and
so
this
set
up
a
mechanism,
and
it
was
kind
of
interesting
the
comment
that
I'm
not
sure
and
people
said
well
you're
doing
this,
because
the
current
governor,
no,
I
think
when
it
was
brought
to
my
attention.
I
wish
this
had
been
in
place
two
years
ago,
because
I'm
not
so
sure
I'd
want
the
former
governor
having
unfettered
discretion
to
pick
the
replacement.
I
If
I'm
not
badly
mistaken,
on
my
historical
perspective,
he
resigned
julian
carroll,
the
former
state,
senator
former
governor
former
speaker
of
the
house,
then
ascended
to
the
governorship
and
appointed
wendell
ford
to
be
the
united
states
senator
because
there
was
no
protocols
around
what
you
had
to
do.
So
what
this
does?
I
This
sets
up
a
process
that
the
party
of
the
individual,
and
if
there
is
no
party,
then
it
would
come
from
independent,
libertarian,
whatever
that
individual
who
was
currently
in
that
seat,
held
to
be
replaced,
and
it
sets
up
the
mechanism
for
them
to
be
replaced.
If
it
was
a
democrat,
the
democrat
party
would
nominate
three
people.
Republican
republican
would
set
up
three
nominations:
three
potential
nominees
for
the
governor
to
pick
and
the
governor
would
pick
that
replacement.
I
The
critical
part
of
this
is
when
you
think
about
the
dynamics
that
are
currently
in
the
united
states
senate,
and
all
that
goes
on.
We
didn't
feel
it
was
appropriate
to
wait.
60
90
180
days
for
the
state
of
kentucky
not
to
have
a
voice
waiting
through
an
electoral
process,
so
put
somebody
in
place.
The
second
component
of
this
is
get
an
election
as
quick
as
possible,
not
giving
the
power
of
incumbency
to
in
any
way
entrench
itself
any
more
than
it
could.
I
I
I
If
no
one
person
gets
50
of
the
vote,
then
the
top
two
vote
getters
similar
to
what
happened
in
georgia.
It
could
be
two
democrats,
it
could
be
two
republicans.
It
could
be
a
democrat
and
republican.
It
could
be
an
independent
two
independents
people
without
party
affiliation.
The
top
two
vote
getters
would
then
go
to
a
second
runoff
election.
I
A
Motion
and
a
second
any
discussion,
representative
miller.
C
Thank
you
for
bringing
this,
mr
president,
this
is
intriguing
and
how
you'd
work
that
out.
I
actually
like
that.
I
have
a
question,
though,
is
I
think,
the
bit
the
the
text
we're
replacing
was
passed
in
the
early
40s
like
1942.
C
C
I
A
I
F
C
D
C
C
C
G
A
Yes
and
representative
gooch
is
here.
A
I
J
Last
year,
when,
when
earlier
this
year,
when
we
had
to
the
county
county
board
elections,
each
county
board
is
to
submit
names
to
the
state
board
of
elections.
J
Each
each
party
is
to
submit,
and
they
right
now,
they're
making
them
submit
five
names
for
the
for
the
board
of
elections
to
select
one
and
typically,
what
what
county
boards
are
doing
is
just
selecting
sending
four
people
that
won't
serve
and
and
one
person
that
will
so
this
bill
just
says.
J
Mr,
mr
chairman,
after
this
election,
there
was,
you
know,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
about
elections,
a
lot
of
things
that
people
liked
about
our
our
past
election,
especially
the
in-person
early
voting,
and
I
started
working
on
an
election
bill.
But
it
soon
got
very
very.
It
was
a
whole
lot
going
on
with
with
what
people
wanted,
so
I
did
file
a
bill
as
a
senate.
J
Current
resolution
75
that
created
a
task
force
to
look
at
elections
during
the
interim,
but
the
senate
doesn't
do
much
with
task
force,
so
there
was
two
main
factors
that-
and
I
knew
representative
decker
passed
a
very
good
elections
bill
out
of
the
house,
it's
in
the
senate
now,
but
there
were
two
primary
things
that
I
that
I
thought
needed
to
be
addressed
in
case.
Another
election
bill
didn't
get
through
and-
and
one
of
those
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
concerns
about
the
wireless
connections
to
our
our
voting
voting.
J
We
shouldn't
call
them
machines
because
they're,
not
machines
anymore,
but
our
our
our
voting
equipment,
and
so
this
bill
just
says
that
there's
not
to
be
any
any
of
our
voting
equipment
connected
to
the
internet,
and
the
other
thing,
that's
I
think
is
very
important
is
that
we
have
in
our
statute
that
all
all
votes
should
be
recorded
on
a
paper
vote,
paper,
ballot
and
and
the
reason
it's
important
to
get
that
in
place
now
county
clerks
are,
are
you
know,
as
we
speak
looking
at
at
voting
equipment
voting
software,
and
you
know
they
need
to
need
to
know
that
this
is
in
statute,
that
they
they
shall
not
buy
anything
that
doesn't
produce
a
paper
ballot
that
can
be
used
in
case
of
that
recount.
J
So
and
there's
there's
a
minimal
fiscal
note
with
this,
because
we're
not
requiring
everybody
to
buy
new
machines.
This
simply
says
when,
when
a
county
buys
new
machines
that
they're
to
buy
machines
that
produce
a
paper
ballot
and
that's
my
my
bill,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
your
consideration.
A
Thank
you
senator.
Do
I
hear
a
motion
here,
a
motion
and
a
second.
So
the
senate
bill
63,
is
before
us
representative,
cantrell.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
senator
higdon.
I
do
plan
to
support
this,
so
so
don't
take
this
question
and
and
take
it
the
way
it's
intended.
My
question
is
about
the
machines
that
are
capable
of
being
put
onto
a
network.
I
think
a
lot
of
our
machines
are
capable
of
of
that
right
now
and
part
of
that
is
linked
to.
D
I
think
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
to
get
the
results
on
election
night,
and
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
if
you're,
if
you're
not
able
to
do
that-
and
I
know
we
need
to
safeguard
that,
and
I
totally
understand
that's
why
it's
in
this
bill,
but
is
it
going
to
result
in
a
delay
of
reporting
results
on
an
election
night?
Once
we
get
back
to
reporting
results
on
a
regular
election
night.
J
One
thing,
and
that
was
very
good-
can't
represent
cantrell,
very
good
question
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
discovered
and
and
talking
to
all
my
county
clerks
one
thing
that
came
out
of
this,
the
the
primary
everybody
wants
to
know
who
won
on
election
night.
So
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
in
this
field
that
would
delay
that.
J
J
C
C
H
Mr
chairman,
I
like
to
explain
my
vote.
Please.
A
H
The
this
does
two
things:
senator
hickman.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
my
second
favorite
senator
my
favorite,
my
favorite
name
mike.
I
I
think
the
second
thing
this
does
is
very
good.
I've
not
been
able
to
talk
to
my
county
clerks
about
this,
but
I'm
gonna
vote
no
today,
and
the
reason
is
because
I
think
the
we
make
the
local
county
boards
of
election
submit
five
names
to
the
state
board
of
elections
and
I
think
that's
a
control
on
the
integrity
of
local
elections.
H
My
concern
is
that
a
county
clerk
and
a
sheriff
and
then
there's
a
republican
and
democrat
on
each
of
these
boards.
As
you
know,
there
are
four
member
boards.
My
concern
is
that
they
may
submit
the
one
name
being
a
brother
or
a
cousin
or
the
next
door
neighbor
of
the
county
clerk,
thereby
not
allowing
us
to
have
the
proper
controls
on
local
elections.
So
I
might
not
be
a
no
on
the
floor.
H
G
G
I
know
the
other
part
of
it
related
to
the
county
board
of
elections,
appreciate
you
reaching
out
to
them
and
it's
very
important
that
they're
involved
and
maybe
even
input
from
the
state
board
of
elections.
I
want
to
talk
to
them
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
but
I'm
a
yes
for
now.