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The
reason
we're
supportive
of
this
bill
is:
it
provides
the
ability
for
the
behavioral
health
facilities
in
our
state
in
Louisville
and
across
the
state.
There
are
a
few
that
are
attached
to
hospitals.
There's
also
freestanding
facilities
that
care
for
these
students,
and
it
just
makes
it
significantly
easier
for
them
to
be
able
to
make
sure
their
students
are
continuing
their
Education
Without
disruption.
E
C
C
C
C
H
H
Very
briefly,
we're
right
now
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
additional
beds
does
not
exist
under
the
state
health
plan.
This
bill
will
change
that,
so
they
can
apply.
I
do
want
to
say
that
this
is
the
effort
to
allow
them
to
apply
for
additional
beds.
It
does
not
address
the
circumstances
or
conditions
or
the
number
of
beds,
or
any
of
that.
Those
are
important
conversations
that
must
be
had,
but
they
can't
be
had
until
we
do
this
and
first
important
first
step.
C
H
C
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
Jeff
Edwards
I'm,
the
director
of
the
Kentucky
protection
and
advocacy
division.
We
are
the
state's
protection
and
advocacy
division
that
was
designated
by
Governor
Carroll
in
1977
by
executive
order.
This
is
Heidi
schisler,
our
legal
director.
We
also
have
comments
from
Bob
Napoli.
If
time
allows
a
member
of
the
Council
on
developmental
disabilities
from
Louisville
as
the
state
protection
advocacy
division,
we
have
been
making
comments
since
2008.
L
Good
morning,
as
Jeff
said,
Mr
Edwards
said
my
name
is
Heidi
schistler
Lanham
I'm,
the
legal
director
at
protection
and
advocacy
and
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
little
bit
of
background
when
it
said,
are
you
Pro
or
con
when
you're
signing
up
I'm,
not
sure
where
Pro
or
con
so
to
speak?
We
just
want
to
educate
you
all
on
on
these
beds.
L
Icf's
idd
or
inter
Intermediate
Care
facilities
for
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
have
been
around
for
years
and
years
they
are
paid
for
by
Medicaid
in
Kentucky
you
have
both
public
ICF
idds
and
private
ICF
iids.
The
two
privates
are
the
folks
who
are
here
today:
Cedar
Lake,
Lodge
and
Wendell
Foster.
The
remaining
approximately
482
ICF
beds
are
considered
public
beds.
L
Persons
with
intellectual
developmental
disabilities
live
there,
many
of
them
for
their
entire
lives.
Protection
and
advocacy
has
long
been
trying
to
get
people
out
of
institutions
and
into
the
community
guided
a
lot
by
the
United
States
Supreme
Court
of
Olmsted
versus
LC
that
you've
probably
heard
of
The
Olmsted
case.
That
term
is
used
a
lot.
That's
a
1992.
Excuse
me
1999
case
that
says
individuals
that,
according
to
Title
II
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
states,
must
provide
services
to
individuals
in
the
most
integrated
setting
appropriate
to
their
needs.
L
Oftentimes,
that
is
the
community.
So,
while
we-
and
in
fact
Olmsted
does
not
say
that
institutions
shouldn't
be
there,
it
should
just
say
that
if
people
want
to
live
in
the
community,
they
should
be
allowed
to
live
in
the
community
using
those
precepts
in
2001
protection
and
advocacy
filed
a
federal
court
lawsuit
against
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services,
which
ended
up
in
the
What's
called
the
Michelle
P
settlement.
L
Michelle
Phillips
was
one
of
the
named
plaintiffs
in
that
and
out
of
that,
you
get
the
Michelle
P
waiver
that
some
of
you
guys
have
heard
of
of.
We
got
crisis
Services
as
Jeff
talked
about,
and
there
was
also
a
provision
in
there
that
said
that
there
could
be
no
backfilling
of
any
of
the
public
beds.
The
idea
was
that
you
would
decrease
the
use
of
public
icfs
down
to
a
certain
level
and
that
they
wouldn't
backfill
those
beds.
L
There's
also
something
called
the
state
health
plan,
which
is
what
we're
kind
of
dealing
with
here
today
and
since
2008
we've
been
providing
comments
on
the
State
Health
Plan,
specifically
about
ICF
beds,
saying
that
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
use
the
transfer
the
public
beds
to
the
private
icfs
because
of
the
Michelle
P
settlement,
which
said
you
couldn't.
That
is
no
longer.
In
effect,
it
hasn't
been
in
effect
for
2000
since
2011,
but
the
spirit
of
it
is
still
there.
L
If
you're,
if
there's
going
to
be
any
transfer
of
public,
we
still
think
there
shouldn't
be
transfer
of
public
beds,
but
the
most
recent
time
that
we
filed
our
comments
to
the
state
health
plan,
which
is
a
two-year
State
Health
Plan
every
two
years.
They
accept
public
comments
on
it
and
then
they
update
it
every
year
and
we
always
file
that
we
call
them
The
Perennial
comments.
They
are
the
most
recent
statements
from
the
cabinet,
Health
and
Family
Services.
L
It
talks
about
the
ICF
being
owned
by
a
non-governmental
entity,
which
are
those
two
that
I
spoke
about:
Wendell
Foster
and
Cedar
Lake
Lodge,
and
it
says
those
additional
beds
would
be
in
a
freestanding
building
on
or
off
campus
we'd
suggest
that
it
should
be
off
campus
if
this
is
going
to
move
forward
and
that
those
beds
be
small
for
eight.
Something
like
that.
L
The
cost
of
icfs
versus
scl
is
incredible.
The
average
cost
for
scl
has
testified
testified
to
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
at
the
house,
BR
subcommittee
on
Health
and
Family
Services
average
cost
for
scl
is
ninety
two
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
and
the
average
cost
of
the
Publix
based
on
the
latest
available
2023
per
diem
is
462
thousand
462
thousand
dollars.
So
you
can
get
five
scls
for
each
ICF.
L
We
believe
that
many
people
can
be
better
served
in
the
community
and
that
we
should
be
putting
the
state
should
be
putting
money
into
increasing.
What's
going
on
with
scl,
you
know
there
is
a
waiting
list
of
scl
of
over
3
000
people,
a
waiting
list
on
Michelle
P
of
over
8
000
people.
We
think
that
the
money
needs
to
go
there.
I
also
have
and
I'm
welcome,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
L
I
know
I've
kind
of
gone
on
and
on,
but
I
do
have
a
letter
from
Bob
Napoli,
who
is
the
parent
of
a
child,
not
child
anymore?
Their
son
Robbie
is
almost
40..
He
has
diagnoses
of
idd
cerebral
palsy
and
seizure
disorder,
but
is
capable
of
living
in
the
community.
He
currently
resides
in
a
non-governmental,
ICF
idd
and
has
been
there
for
15
years.
L
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
my
question
was
was
prop
partly
answered
and
the
question
was
going
to
be.
You
know
the
waiting
list
on
Michelle
P
I've
known
for
years.
It
was
a
lot
and
then
you
just
confirmed
that
that
it's
over
8
000
and
you
know
when
you
have
programs
out
there,
and
you
know
we
know
that
we
need
more
money
in
those
programs.
M
L
And
I'd
add
that
scl
provides
all
the
services
that
you
get
in
an
ICF
and
Michelle
P
provides
all
those
Services
minus
the
residential
piece.
So
many
individuals,
a
lot
of
them
living
with
parents,
don't
need
the
residential
piece,
but
when
their
parents
go
away,
they
need
the
residential
piece.
So
scl
is
important
for
those
folks
and
I
believe
these
gentlemen
here
are
going
to
testify
that
there
are
waiting
lists
to
get
into
their
icfs.
So
there
are
waiting
lists
for
services
for
folks
with
intellectual
developmental
disabilities
throughout
the
state.
N
Thank
you.
My
question
is
I
think
we're
trying
to
balance
two
things.
One
thing,
of
course,
is
that
if
people
can
live
in
community,
that's
always
the
better
option
and
I
think
that
we
know
that
here,
but
I
think
the
challenge
comes
when
the
needs
are
so
intense
that
you
need
to
be
placed
in
one
of
these
facilities
and
I
think,
ultimately,
anyone
you
know
with
a
loved
one
wants
them
to
live
in
having
the
most
options
for
Community
But.
N
N
A
L
Sure
there's
harm
so
to
speak,
but
it's
where
you're
putting
the
money
I
understand
that
there
are
individuals
that
have
more
complex
needs
that
are
harder
to
serve
in
the
community
and
I.
Think
the
exceptional
supports
task
force
that
met
during
the
interim
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
the
members
here
were
on
that
task.
L
Force
I
want
to
say
in
the
2021
interim,
talked
about
adding
additional
services
to
the
scl
waiver,
including
behavior,
supports
and
nursing,
because
those
are
the
folks
that
most
often
end
up
at
an
ICF
are
the
ones
that
need
more
intense
behavior
supports
and
more
nursing
supports.
You
get
some
of
those
things
you
get.
Some
behavior
supports
in
both
Michelle
P
and
scl,
but
no
nursing.
L
N
N
What
they're
worth
and,
of
course,
have
the
amount
of
hours
in
the
day
that
they
need
to
actually
care
for
the
client
and
I
think
in
some
ways
it's
like
a
yes
and
because
we
know
that
we
have
backlogs
in
both
of
these
categories
and
so
I
guess
I'd.
Just
my
comment
is
that
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
what
comes
first
chicken
or
the
egg,
or
do
these
things
need
to
happen
simultaneously
for
me,
so
that
was
my.
L
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
will
allow
both
of
the
subject
matter.
Experts
to
to
make
comment,
I
would
just
simply
say
through
my
observation,
as
a
layperson
in
Owensboro
watching
Wendell
Foster
care
for
their
clients,
one
the
facilities
they
have
are
incredible
and
two
the
work
that
they
do
with
their
clients
to
bring
them
into
the
community.
I
Thank
you,
chairman
hevren
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
and
advocate
for
those
people
that
we
serve
and
support.
As
representative
Johnson
said,
my
name
is
Doug.
Hoyt
and
I
have
the
distinct
privilege
of
serving
as
the
CEO
of
Wendell
Foster,
and
it
is
a
privilege
to
me
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Each
and
every
day
I
have
the
opportunity
to
interact
with
the
folks
that
we
do
support,
as
well
as
the
employees
who
provide
that
support.
I
All
of
those
folks.
We
refer
to
as
difference
makers,
because
in
fact,
going
both
ways.
They
truly
make
a
difference
in
the
lives
of
everybody.
Those
we
serve
make
a
difference.
In
my
life
each
and
every
day,
Wendell
Foster
is
a
multi-service
provider
of
disability
support
we
offer,
through
all
of
the
services
more
than
75
000
Services
annually.
I
Today,
63
people
call
our
ICF
home,
which
is
located
in
the
heart
of
Owensboro
community.
There's
another
56
people
on
our
waiting
list
that
have
been
qualified
to
live
in
the
ICF.
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
11
more
people
who
are
in
the
process
of
being
qualified
and
I
expect
in
the
next
30
to
60
days
that
in
fact
they
will
bringing
our
total
to
nearly
70.
That
will
be
on
our
waiting
list.
B
I
Lake
also
has
a
waiting
list
and
I'm
sure
Jason
will
talk
about
that.
Wendell,
Foster
and
Cedar
Lake
want
to
add
a
small
number
of
additional
beds
in
order
to
be
able
to
support
additional
people.
Today,
the
State
Health
Plan
serves
as
a
roadblock
preventing
that
from
for
us
from
accomplishing
our
goal.
I
House
Bill
334
will
alleviate
that
roadblock
and
allow
us
the
opportunities
to
submit
the
application
for
expansion
of
these
Services.
We
would
do
that
in
a
way
that
is
the
most
economically
feasible
that
we
can,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
your
consideration
of
this
this
bill
and
the
support
for
people
with
disabilities.
I
J
Thank
you
again
to
the
committee
for
for
having
us
here
today,
just
a
couple
quick
comments
to
follow
up
at
Cedar
Lake.
We
we
of
course
provide
services
to
individuals
on
the
scl
and
Michelle
P
Waverly
as
well.
We,
in
fact
we
serve
more
than
twice
the
number
that
that
we
serve
in
the
ICF.
So
so
we
have
a
foot
in
both
camps
and
and
I
believe
fully
in
community
integration.
J
One
of
the
things
that
makes
this
a
more
complex
issue
is,
we
do
have
a
waiting
list,
but
in
addition
to
the
waiting
list,
the
folks
that
we
support
in
the
community
have
priority
over
the
waiting
list.
So
anytime
we
have
a
vacancy
at
the
ICF
and
we
have
an
individual
in
the
community
who
needs
exceed
Michelle,
P
or
scl,
funding
that
person
trumps
the
waiting
list
and
so
over.
J
The
past
20
admissions
to
the
ICF
12
of
those
have
come
from
within
Cedar
Lake
and
only
eight
off
the
waiting
list
so
that
that's
another
compounding
Factor
there.
In
terms
of
the
ICF
services
that
we
offer,
we
have
a
63
bed
located
in
Oldham
County
and
we
have
two
eight
beds
located
in
Henry
County
and
then
I
knew.
If
you
see
on
the
slide
here,
what
we
call
Sycamore
run
is
a
four
bed
ICF.
J
We
had
two
of
those
that
are
situated
in
a
neighborhood
on
the
outskirts
of
LaGrange,
and
these
two
homes
are
in
a
typical
neighborhood,
just
like
yours,
just
like
mine,
they
have
neighbors.
They
have
took
a
treaters
that
come
by
the
house,
and
so
these
are
individuals
that,
without
their
funding,
wouldn't
be
living
in
a
regular
neighborhood.
J
Now
we
we
believe
that
there's
a
place
for
a
larger
facility
like
the
lodge
with
63
beds
and
when
the
Foster
also
happened
to
have
63
beds.
We
believe
there's
a
place
for
that,
but
for
individuals
with
intensive
medical
needs,
intensive
behavioral
need
to
live
in
the
community.
This
is
the
only
option,
and
so
we're
asking
for
your
support
with
that.
Thank
you
all
again
for
letting
us
be
here
today.
H
Thank
you
very
much.
Finally,
in
summary,
I
have
to
say
that
I
have
never
spoken
so
much
after
hearing
their
words
motion
on
the
bill
before
so
I
appreciate
your
Indulgence
and
patience,
as
we
explained,
I
think
a
very
important
program,
so
we
simply
want
to
increase
the
ability
of
these
two
fine
organizations
to
provide
more
service
and
the
higher
quality
service
that
they
do,
and
this
is
the
first
step
in
that
application
process.
I
would
appreciate
your
yes
votes.
Thank
you.
K
M
Can't
explain
my
vote
sure.
Okay,
thank
you.
As
someone
who's
represented
a
portion
of
Davis
County
for
almost
three
decades.
I've
had
several
opportunities
to
you
know
to
tour
Wendell
Foster
and
to
see
the
great
work
that
they
do
there
and
I'm
happy
to
vote
Yes
because
of
the
fine
work
that
I've
witnessed
in
those
three
decades.
Thank
you.
A
A
C
P
C
P
C
You
members
of
the
committee-
thank
you
all
so
much.
This
has
truly
been
a
true
work
of
compromise,
I,
rep,
I,
appreciate
representative
Tate's
conversations
and
and
the
the
work
that
we've
done
as
a
coalition
to
get
this
bill
through
and
to
this
point
in
committee,
the
house
committee
substitute
to
House
Bill
248
represents
an
agreement
among
treatment
providers
in
their
communities
by
establishing
a
certification
requirement
for
Recovery
residences,
Sober
Living
homes
and
any
similar
type
of
drug-free
residents
for
unrelated
individuals.
That's.
C
Q
Thank
you,
representative
Heaven.
Once
again,
my
name
is
Jeff
Gregory
I'm,
the
mayor
of
Elizabethtown
and
I,
want
to
preface
anything
that
myself
for
chief
Thompson
says
here
in
just
a
few
minutes
with
the
fact
that
we
are
not
anti-recovery
matter
of
fact
we're
both
retired
Kentucky
state
troopers.
We
both
have
people
in
our
families
that
have
gone
through
problems
with
addiction.
So
we
know
what
it's
like
to
see:
people
struggle
with
addiction.
Q
As
of
today
that
we're
seeing
in
the
city
of
Elizabethtown-
and
it's
caused
us
some
stress
and
some
strain
tremendous
unsustainable,
Financial
strain
on
a
lot
of
our
Indigent
Support
Services,
like
warm
blessings,
which
is
a
a
great
organization
that
feeds
anybody,
that's
hungry
in
the
city
of
Elizabethtown,
along
with
feeding
America,
where
they
get
their
food.
Chief
Thompson
will
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
out
another
one
that
we
have,
but
some
numbers
from
warm
blessings.
Q
Seventy
five
thousand
dollars
they've
spent
in
the
last
five
months,
feeding
people
that
they
have
recorded
that
have
come
out
of
these
recovery
houses
or
sober
living
houses
that
are
sending
their
people
to
our
Support
Services
to
be
fed
every
day.
And
so
what
we're
seeing
is
and
once
again
I
want
to
reiterate
it's
not
all
of
them.
Q
We
have
some
really
good
recovery
centers
and
we
have
some
really
good
sober
living
houses
in
the
city
of
Elizabethtown,
but
we
also
have
several
that
we
think
are
Bad
actors,
that
we
need
a
regulation
arm
or
some
kind
of
enforcement
tool
to
be
able
to
address,
and
those
Bad
actors
are
the
ones
that
we
are
talking
about.
That
are
really
putting
the
undue
stress
on
our
services
to
include
our
Police
Services
as
well.
Q
R
That's
from
our
EMS
staff
and
that's
also
from
our
fire
department
who
back
up
Ems
on
some
of
these
runs.
We
have
numbers
here,
I'm,
not
sure
if
you've
been
provided,
those
numbers
or
not,
but
I
can
show
you
some
of
those
numbers.
I
I
certainly
want
to
be
respectful
of
everyone's
time,
but
in
I
started
looking
at
post
covet
numbers
in
2020
one.
R
These
numbers
began
to
increase
again
and
what
we
were
seeing
is
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
we
were
having
come
to
the
Elizabethtown
area,
aren't
from
Elizabethtown
many
aren't
even
from
Kentucky.
We
were
finding
this
out
because
the
services
the
mayor
spoke
of
at
warm
blessings
and
Central
Kentucky
Feed
the
Homeless,
our
two
food
pantries
that
service
anyone
again
in
need.
They
will
not
turn
away
anyone
and
we
we
applaud
that.
We
actually
work
hand
in
hand
with
both
these
organizations
feeding
America.
R
We
took
17
people
from
the
police
department
yesterday
down
there
to
help
prepare
boxes
for
the
needy
in
our
community
and
surrounding
counties,
so
we're
very
active
in
trying
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution.
That
being
said,
what
we're
finding
is
many
of
these
people
find
themselves
out
on
the
street
when
they're
kicked
out
of
these
facilities.
R
They're
kicked
out
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
once
they
are
out
of
these
facilities,
if
they're
not
from
Elizabethtown,
they
have
no
resources
there.
So
what
we're
seeing
is
one
of
these
particular
food
pantries
is
helping
get
bus
tickets
and
in
January
alone
she
purchased
28
bus
tickets,
just
this
January
that
cost
about
eighty
dollars
per
ticket.
You
know
close
to
2
200
in
one
month.
This
is
an
increase
from
where
they
are
many
of
these
people
that
have
been
kicked
out.
R
These
these
clients
that
are
battling
addiction
are
put
out
on
the
streets
and
they're
from
Memphis
they're
from
Knoxville
Nashville
they're
from
all
over
Southern
Tennessee,
and
when
we're
asking
them
how
they're
getting
here,
they're
being
recruited
by
some
of
these
Bad
actors
to
come
up
here
and
then
they're
there
30
days,
they're
kicked
out,
we've
had
fatal
overdoses
in
Elizabethtown.
In
2022
we
had
15
fatal
overdoses,
one-third
of
those
were
either
from
Addiction
Services
providers.
R
Two
of
them
were
inside
one
of
one
of
these
facilities.
One
was
a
peer
support
employee
who
was
there
to
help
those
battling
addiction
and
had
a
fatal
overdose.
Now
I
ask
you:
if
that's
the
case,
are
we
doing
these
clients
that
are
there
at
their
most
vulnerable
Point
needing
help
from
addiction
and
we're
putting
them
inside
of
facilities
where
there's
potential
for
overdose
I
I
would
have
a
hard
time
explaining
to
a
family
member
that
that's
true
care.
R
Again.
There
are
great
Services
by
some
of
these
providers
out
there
I
would
question
anyone
that
would
be
scared
of
some
type
of
not
necessarily
enforcement,
but
some
type
of
just
oversight.
If
you're
doing
the
right
things
and
you
are
victim
or
client
oriented
and
you're
trying
to
provide
these
services
I,
don't
understand
why
you
would
be
and
I'm
not
looking
for
the
police
department
to
have
an
additional
responsibility.
I
promise
you
we.
We
have
plenty
to
do
so
this
this
problem.
R
So
that's
when
the
police
get
called.
We
get
called
there
for
disorderly
subjects,
and
you
know
again.
We
will
always
respond
to
calls
for
service
that
this
is
not
to
avoid
us
doing
work.
This
is
to
make
sure
that
those
Bad
actors
are
held
accountable
when
they
are
not
providing
services
that
that
they're
supposed
to
be
providing
to
these
vulnerable
individuals
that
need
help.
It
takes
a
lot.
I've
lived
with.
R
I've
lived
with
someone
battling
addiction,
I
still
have
family
members
battling
addiction
to
this
day
when
they
finally
break
down,
and
they
want
help
and
it's
a
long
process
oftentimes.
It
takes
a
lot
to
get
to
that
point
to
say:
I
need
help
when
they
get
there.
We've
got
to
make
sure
that
these
places
are
providing
that
help
for
them.
So
again,
I
want
to
be
respectful
for
your
time
and
our
guests
I'll
pass
the
microphone.
S
Honorable
members
of
the
House
standing
committee
on
families
and
children,
my
name
is
Gene
deathridge
and
again.
I
presently
serve
as
the
president
of
the
Kentucky
recovery.
Housing
networks,
Advisory
Board.
My
role
on
the
board
is
one
of
leadership
but,
most
importantly,
it
is
one
of
representing
thousands
of
kentuckians
living,
productive,
civil
and
happy
lives
as
individuals
in
long-term
recovery
from
substance
use
disorders
as
an
individual
living
in
long-term
recovery.
S
My
own
life
is
seen
through
recovery
of
great
importance
to
share
with
you
today
is
that
my
recovery
would
not
have
been
possible
without
access
to
Safe
quality
recovery
housing
when
I
returned
to
Morehead
State
University.
To
finish,
my
education
after
finding
recovery
have
pursued
and
obtained
my
master's
degree
in
public
administration.
I
served
one
of
our
community
mental
health
centers
as
the
housing
specialist
at
the
Genesis
recovery,
Kentucky
Center
I
helped
Oxford
House
get
started
in
Morehead.
S
Kentucky
I
worked
for
one
of
our
Commonwealth's
former
governors
to
promote
and
expand
quality
recovery
housing,
not
only
in
Kentucky
but
nationally.
You
know,
forgive
me,
I'm
nervous
as
a
as
a
dog
with
peach
seed,
but
I
was
chosen
to
represent
individuals
in
long-term
recovery
on
The
Advisory
board
for
Recovery
ready
communities
stemming
from
my
involvement
in
the
project
going
all
the
way
back
to
its
being
only
an
idea
as
I
participated
in
leadership.
S
Kentucky's
bright
Program
for
Young
Professionals
in
Appalachia
with
representative
Adam
bowling
recovery
has
not
only
given
my
life,
meaning
it
has
given
me
purpose.
This
list
of
accomplishments
I
have
just
shared
with.
You
is
not
meant
to
impress
you
with
me
as
an
individual
I
only
wish
to
provide
you
with
a
flesh
and
blood
illustration
of
what
quality
recovery
housing
can
do
for
a
life
that
was
otherwise
lost,
hopeless
and
a
detriment
to
society.
S
Speaking
with
you
today,
on
behalf
of
the
thousands
of
kentuckians
yet
to
enjoy
the
opportunity
I've
been
given
is
one
of
the
greatest
honors
of
my
life.
I
want
to
thank
the
other
members
of
my
Advisory
Board,
who
have
helped
me
prepare
to
share
with
you
today,
Mr
Dallas
Hurley
of
the
Volunteers
of
America
Emily
Cato
of
Pinnacle
treatment
systems
and
Tara
Mosley
Hyde
CEO
of
people
advocating
recovery
among
many
others.
S
I
would
like
to
provide
you
with
some
information
that
speaks
to
why
the
intent
and
structure
of
this
bill
is
Well
written
the
Kentucky
recovery,
Housing
Network,
which
was
initiated
in
2020,
has
already
certified
47
homes
across
the
Commonwealth,
representing
545
beds
of
recovery
housing.
Additionally,
we
stand
in
support
and
alliance
with
the
Oxford
House
model,
which
represents
107
recovery
residences
across
the
state
for
a
total
of
813
beds
of
recovery
housing.
S
Sorry,
many
of
you
already
have
Certified
Recovery
housing
in
your
communities
and
I've
lost
my
numbers
here,
so
I'll
just
go
on
the
whole
reason
we
got
involved
with
this
is
because
we
were
introduced
to
Mr
Cheney
and
his
desire
to
address
Bad
actors
and
those
who
may
be
ignorant
of
best
practices
in
recovery,
housing
which
produce
a
bad
reputation
for
all
recovery,
housing
operators
across
the
Commonwealth
of
the
47
homes
and
all
the
beds
that
I've
mentioned.
These
have
all
been
entities
and
operators
who
have
done
so
voluntarily.
S
Many
do
not
understand
the
process
of
certification
or
what
is
involved
and
as
I
seek.
To
conclude
my
remarks.
I
wish
to
provide
you
with
an
overview
of
what
this
legislation
would
accomplish.
The
National
Association
of
recovery
residents
is
one
of
two
nationally
recognized
standards
for
implementing
best
practices
in
recovery.
Housing
along
with
Oxford
House,
the
Substance,
Abuse
and
Mental
Health
Services
Administration,
requires
that
some
standard
be
implemented
to
utilize
their
funding
to
expand
recovery,
housing,
which
has
so
far
been
the
Kentucky
recovery,
Housing
Network
standard.
It
is
the
same
as
the
Nar
standard.
S
The
Nar
standard
itself
is
comprised
of
four
domains:
10
principles
and
31
standards,
as
well
as
recognizing
multiple
levels
of
recovery,
housing
which
support
long-term
engagement
and
safe
and
supportive
environments.
First,
there
is
a
requirement
that
all
necessary
documentation
and
formal
protections
exist
to
serve
the
residents.
Second,
is
a
site
visit
to
ensure
that
the
physical
structures
are
suitable
for
habitation
and
provide
a
home-like
setting
and
third,
is
the
resident
and
staff
interview
process.
P
P
C
Yes,
thank
you.
The
floor
Amendment
house
floor,
one
our
house
for
Amendment
one
well
exempt
our
recovery
residents
that
is
owned
or
operated
by
an
entity
Exempted
from
compliance
with
the
Ada
and
Fair
Housing
Act
affiliated
with
a
religious
institution
in
the
same
county
as
a
residence
that
is
registered
with
like
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Revenue
or
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
So
basically
it
exempts
faith-based
entities
that
are
tied
to
a
church
in
the
same
county
as
the
recovery
house.
C
So
I
think
I
I,
so
they're
not
but
I
don't
so
there
are.
There
are
some
bad
actors
that
can
be
clothed
as
being
faith-based
opportunity.
They
can
be
after
having
several
conversations
with
the
people
on
our
our
Coalition
that
include
Kentucky
legal
cities.
Kentucky
Chamber
of
Commerce
Volunteers
of
America
Arc
operation,
unite
carp,
people
advocating
recovery,
Pinnacle,
Life,
Learning,
Center,
Edgewater,
Recovery,
Center,
Kentucky,
Association
of
Independent
recovery
centers.
C
D
D
As
you
know,
I
come
from
a
family
of
law
enforcement,
so
I
entirely
understand
the
situation
that
you
all
are
in
and
the
risk
that
you
take
on
an
annual
a
daily
basis.
So
I
appreciate
that
wholeheartedly.
The
problem
that
we
have
is
that,
as
you
know,
we're
coming
out
of
coven,
we
have
mental
health
issues
with
so
many
people.
We
have
basically
an
epidemic.
D
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
heart-wrenching
subject
that
we
are
going
to
be
faced
with,
unfortunately,
probably
probably
for
the
rest
of
our
lives,
and
so
somehow
we
have
to
figure
out
as
a
community
how
to
work
together
as
the
community
to
assist
our
citizens
and-
and
you
understand
this
as
well
as
I-
do
because
you've
dedicated
your
life
to
this.
So
I
appreciate
you
and
and
appreciate
chair
Heaven,
bringing
this
to
our
attention.
So
thank
you
very
much.
N
Thank
you,
I'm
unclear
as
to
the
logistics
of
the
floor
amendment
in
terms
of
I
mean
in
my
community.
There
are
many
churches
I'm
from
Louisville,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
too,
have
operate
facilities
that
often
proselytize
but
don't
advertise
that
they
proselytize
and
so
I
have
concerns
that,
if
we're
not
uploading
the
same
standard
of
oversight
and
certification,
that
this
would
impact
my
community
negatively
with
folks
that
are
doing
exactly
what
the
testimony
here
today
has
said.
D
D
But
I
am
you
know:
I
want
to
make
sure
that
faith-based
organizations
and
weak
people
can
claim
to
be
faith-based
and,
at
the
same
time,
really
not
be
I.
Think
it's
very
important
for
us
to
maintain
the
separation
of
church
and
state
and
with
that
traditionally,
faith-based
organizations
are
eliminated
from
bills
of
this
type.
For
example,
my
favorite
is
a
school.
N
The
reason
I'm
really
supportive
of
this
bill
is
because
I
think
that
it
applies
a
standard
to
where
people
know
that
when
they
seek
at
recovery
housing
that
they
are
getting
a
standardized
approach
and
also
I,
think
helping
neighbors
ensure
that
there
has
been
a
certification
process.
They
can
understand
what
has
been
applied.
N
It
also
I
think
helps
eliminate
some
of
this,
like
not
in
my
backyard
type
mindset,
especially
in
my
community,
where
there
is
a
lot
of
affordable
health
naturally
occurring
affordable,
housing
and
neighborhoods
in
transition,
where
it
seems
that
even
before
covid
recovery,
housing
was
popping
up
and
I.
Don't
know
that
it
was
the
best
in
terms
of
supporting
the
individuals
in
the
community,
because
there
was
so
many
acts.
N
S
You
know,
exercise
their
malfeasance
here
and
and
additionally
for
for
us
or
for
me,
with
the
Kentucky
recovery,
Housing
Network,
we
were
unconcerned
with
the
floor
Amendment.
It
would
not
prevent
anyone
who
wished
to
voluntarily
do
so.
As
all
presently
Certified
Recovery
homes
have
done
in
the
state
from
seeking
the
certification.
P
If
I
could
get
us
back
on
track,
the
discussion
right
now
is
on
a
floor
Amendment,
and
we
have
a
place
to
have
that
discussion
and
that
will
be
on
the
floor.
So
if
we
could
let
you
stay
on
the
rails
of
what
we
have
with
this
bill
and
the
committee
substitute
and
then
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
to
talk
about
that
on
the
floor
representative
Baker.
U
Thank
you
very
much
this.
This
is
a
growing
problem.
In
my
community
too,
the
concerns
have
been
getting
larger.
It
seems
like
each
each
month
that
we
have
issues
with
people
concerns
for
safety
for
their
children.
For
ladies
walking
who
people
who
no
longer
feel
safe
in
their
own
neighborhood,
does
you
think
this
is
a
solution
to
help
with
that,
and
you
see
further
next
steps
along
the
way
to
help
address
this.
R
R
I
think
it's
a
very
big
step
in
the
right
direction,
especially
for
our
community
and
those
other
places
that
I've
spoken
to
other
Chiefs
across
our
state.
That
said,
this
is
a
growing
problem
for
them
as
well.
You
know
I'm
the
vice
president
of
our
Kentucky
chiefs
Association,
so
we've
we've
had
these
conversations
at
our
meetings
at
length
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
arm
for
us
to
all
start
to
address
the
problem.
U
Can
I
have
one
follow-up,
please
and
chief?
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
expertise
and
and
your
your
service,
your
law
enforcement
background
I,
think
helps
a
lot
in
this
conversation.
The
do
you
have
a
concern
about
the
the
medically
assisted
treatment
being
available
in
those
recovery
homes.
Is
that
something
that
that
is
fleeced
whale
or
covered?
Well,
I'll.
Q
U
Can
I
have
one
clarification
on
that
on
the
page
five
lines,
eight
through
ten,
it
talks
about
allow
individuals
who
are
receiving
medication
for
addiction
treatment
to
continue
to
receive
such
treatment
while
residing
in
the
recovery
residence
as
directed
by
a
licensed
prescriber.
My
concern
is:
if
they
have,
they
have
access
to
that
medication.
There
do
they
have
to
go
somewhere
else
to
get
that
okay,.
Q
U
The
medication
for
addiction
treatment
do
they
have
access
to
that
medication
there
is
that
something
that
I
keep
on
my
person,
that
I
have
access
to
24
7?
That
I
could
perhaps
dispense
to
other
people,
or
is
that
something
that
someone
comes
in
and
pre
and
that
they
administer
that
to
me
so
that
it
doesn't
become
an
issue?
Another
outlet
for
those
drugs,
yeah.
S
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question
representative
Baker.
Although
there
are
definite
and
real
concerns
with,
we
call
it
diversion
with
medications
for
addiction,
treatment,
those
exist
in
all
settings,
but
within
the
Kentucky
recovery,
Housing
Network
standard,
as
well
as
the
National
Standard,
as
an
individual
you're
responsible
to
have
a
lock
box.
If
you
have
medication
that
is
mood
or
mind
altering
then,
and
this
extends
to
a
standard
prescription,
that
anyone
would
have,
whether
it's
blood
pressure,
medication
or
ssris
for
depression.
S
And
if
you
are
a
recovery,
residence
who
does
admit
residents
who
are
utilizing
mat,
you
have
to
produce
concrete
documentation
that
shows
what
the
potential
consequences
are
for
residents
if
they
are
found
to
divert
their
medication
and
individuals
are
also
subject
to
urinalysis
screening
and
breathalyzers,
while
living
in
a
home.
That's
certified.
P
G
My
vote
yes,
I.
Just
think
that
all
this
privately
operated
facilities
should
be
in
compliance.
You
know.
Private
schools
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
have
the
option
to
be
accredited
by
the
Kentucky,
non-public
school,
Commission
and
I.
Think
that
should
be
pursued
in
the
future,
but
my
vote
is
yes.
Thank
you.
A
T
N
A
T
I
explain
my
vote.
Yes,
you
may
I've
been
in
criminal
law
for
six
years
as
a
public
defender
for
two
years
and
assistant
common
attorney
for
four
years.
In
the
past
year,
we
had
a
judge,
basically
say
no
more
rehabs,
because
some
of
the
egregious
behavior
that
has
been
going
on
and
when
you
have
a
docket
that
is
90
dealing
with
addiction
issues
and
as
a
prosecutor,
you
can't
even
try
to
get
people
help
it's
a
real
problem.
So
I
happily
vote
yes
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.