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A
A
Here
in
the
room
present
for
those
in
the
audience
today,
now
that
we're
having
more
and
more
guests
I'd
like
to
remind
you,
there's
a
sign
up
sheet.
If
you
wanted
to
speak
about
any
of
the
bills
testimonies
within
the
chairs
discretion,
in
terms
of
how
long
you
get
to
speak,
but
you
may
speak.
A
Of
course,
there
are
no
signs
in
the
allowed
in
the
committee
rooms.
Remember
to
silence
your
cell
phones
for
those
who
are
in
the
room
turn
on
your
mics,
those
that
are
via
teleconference
turn
on
your
mics
when
it's
time
and
turn
them
off
when
you
are
finished
speaking
so,
the
first
bill
on
the
agenda
is
house
bill
43
by
representative,
jane
baker.
Welcome.
G
A
H
Hello,
I'm
greg
chaplin
legal
counsel
with
alliance
defending
freedom,
okay,.
E
A
Thank
you.
We
have
a
motion
on
sub
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
I
I
oppose
like
son
matter
is
before
sub
is
before
us.
You
may
begin.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
house,
bill
43,
it's
a
bill.
We
had
last
year
this
bill's
been
out
there
a
couple
two
sessions.
Now
many
of
you
have
read
it
honestly.
Most
of
you
have
co-sponsored
the
bill.
I
know
you
have
a
lot
of
on
your
agenda
today,
so
I'll
be
mindful
of
your
time
and
not
take
up
too
much
of
it,
but
basically
in
2020.
In
the
early
days
of
the
pandemic,
we
faced
some
unprecedented
situations
and
during
that
time
churches
were
shut
down.
G
There
was
a
lot
of
confusion
and
frustration
that
took
place
along
with
that
and
while
churches
were
shut
down,
big
box
retailers,
grocery
stores,
gas
stations
and
home
improvement,
centers
remained
open.
So
what
this
seeks
to
do
is
put
churches
and
religious
organizations
on
the
level
playing
field
and
treated
in
the
same
manner
during
times
of
emergency,
so
they'd
be
treating
the
same
manner
as
other
essential
organizations.
G
H
G
C
Thank
you
chairman.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
that
this
is
a
bill
that
says
for
the
handful
of
churches
during
the
pandemic,
when
we
were
all
in
shutdown
phases
with
at
that
time.
What
was
identified
as
a
time
when
we
all
needed
to
be
that
some
churches
still
chose
to
remain
open,
and
this
bill
in
effect
says
that
that
behavior
is
okay,
that
that's
going
to
be
fine
moving
forward.
A
I'll
answer
that
for
them
it
says
that
in
many
people's
mind
the
holy
spirit
is
just
as
important
important
as
intoxicating
spirits
and
the
liquor
stores
are
all
open.
Yes,.
G
A
G
That,
yes,
representative
flood,
the
reality
is
that
the
rights
to
assemble
on
the
right
to
worship
should
never
be
infringed.
These
are
rights
given
to
us
by
god
and
protected
under
the
constitution,
and
there
were
some
people
who
overstepped
that
that
right,
and
so
we
should
never
allow
that
to
happen
again.
So
that's
the
reason
for
this
legislation.
C
I
remember
how
frustrated
we
were
that
there
were
ministers,
unlike
ours,
who
were
encouraging
other
faiths
to
gather
and
to
not
pay
attention
to
what
were
health
concerns
for
all
of
us.
So
I
would
say
that
I
was
very
disappointed
in
what
I
witnessed
in
a
handful
of
churches
and
really
felt
strongly
that
most
of
us
understood
that
we
were
doing
a
common
good
to
take
our
faith
into
a
new
place
of
understanding.
C
While
we
took
care
of
all
of
ourselves
whether
we
were
in
the
same
church
or
not
so
I
am
not
endorsing
this
bill
today.
I
want
to
hold
up
all
of
us
who
followed
the
rules
in
this
democracy
that
holds
faith
of
many
different
types
and
many
different
traditions
to
be
sacred
and
to
be
in
respectful
community
with
one
another.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
representative
mentor.
I
Thank
you.
I
have
two
questions
for
the
sponsor.
Please.
Yes,
last
year
the
general
assembly
amended
chapter
39a
to
further
protect
religious
organizations
during
emergencies.
So
why
is
this
bill
necessary
today.
H
Hello,
mr
chair
representative,
thank
you
for
the
question.
What
this
bill
does
that's.
There
are
two
things
that
I
would
reply
to
what
it
adds
to
what
the
work
that
was
done
last
year
last
year,
the
bill
protected
the
the
right
of
people,
and
this
this
bill
specifies
the
religious
organizations
that
are
providing
those
services
and
it's
more
clear
instead
of
saying,
instead
of
not
allowing
government
any
to
impose
additional
restrictions,
this
just
says
the
government
and
it
shall
not
shall
not
prohibit
or
restrict
religious
organizations.
H
You
know
as
long
as
it's
no
worse
than
other
businesses
that
are
allowed
to
open.
So
that's
one
thing:
it
adds.
It
also
adds
a
cause
of
action
whereby
an
entity,
a
religious
organization
that
might
suffer
violation,
actually
is
able
to
do
something
to
enforce
its
rights
with
the
last
years.
You
know
they
might
have
to
go
through
the
attorney
general,
instead
of
just
being
able
to
find
revenue
in
a
court
and,
as
we
know
when
someone's
religious
liberty,
rights
or
any
right,
for
instance,
is
is
violated.
E
I
I
H
Well,
it's
just
saying
that
the
the
protections
are
are
for
the
exercise
of
religion
that
you
can't
be.
You
can't
be
targeting
them.
It
just
applies
across
the
board.
It
doesn't
change
any
any
court
decisions
that
have
already
been
settled.
I'm
just
saying
that
this
this
applies
an
outstanding,
any
other
laws.
A
You
yeah
thank
you,
representative,
tipton,.
F
You,
mr
chairman,
we
all
recognize
that
across
the
state
across
this
country
we
have
many
people
who
have
different
beliefs.
They
have
many
different
religious
backgrounds,
many
religious
doctrines.
There
are
people
who
have
no
religious
affiliation.
F
Representative
baker.
Is
there
anything
in
this
legislation
that
would
prevent
a
church
or
religious
organization
from
choosing
to
follow
the
recommendations
that
were
given
in
an
emergency
order?
No,
sir,
there's
not
okay!
I
want
to
follow
up
if
I
could
real
briefly,
if
you
give
me
a
little
latitude.
Mr
chairman,
earlier
this
week
I
was
visiting
with
some
folks
in
the
school
system.
F
I
have
also
witnessed
and
seen
people
are
suffering
from
spiritual
issues,
because
they're
no
longer
with
their
brothers
and
sisters
out
there
in
these
church
settings
and-
and
we
should
never-
there
is
nothing
that
we
as
a
government
body
should
ever
do
to
prevent
someone
from
exercising
their
god-given
rights,
as
you
said,
protected
by
the
constitution
to
worship
their
god
in
the
way
they
choose.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
questions
I,
and
this
really
did
came
up,
come
up
with
relation
to
the
legal
action
that
is
being
presented
as
something
that
can
be
done
as
a
result
of
this
legislation
and
and
following
up
with
the
equal
protection,
the
equal
ability
to
protect
all
of
our
constitutional
rights.
I
just
want
to
be,
and
if
any
anybody
who
has
any
legal
expertise
about
this
are
we
creating
a
legal
right
or
protection
here?
K
That
is
greater
than
any
other
legal
right
or
protection
that
we
grant
for
speech
assembly
and
all
the
other
critical
areas
of
the
first
amendment
and
our
own
amendments
in
kentucky's
constitution.
Are
we
giving
priority
status
or
higher
status
to
the
right
to
religious
freedom
through
this
piece
of
legislation
and
anybody's
opinion.
H
If
I'm
in
mr
chair,
it
does
not
expand
that
right
in
any
way,
I
think.
Last
year
we
saw
the
supreme
court
give
helpful
clarification
in
cases
like
tandon,
south
bay
2,
the
brooklyn
diocese
of
new
york
case,
as
well
as
the
first
amendment
cases
setting
the
standards.
So
this
this
doesn't
expand
that
at
all,
it
just
says
that
the
government
cannot
infringe
on
those
rights
which
are
already
recognized
right.
Thank
you.
K
It
has
to
do
with
the
section
that
provides
a
two-year
statute
of
limitations
for
filing
this
charge.
When
you
compare
that
to,
I
believe,
some
other
statutes
that
give
one
year
as
a
statute
of
limitation,
for
violations
of,
for
instance,
in
violations
of
harassment
or
discrimination
in
on
in
our
civil
rights
laws.
H
Mr
chair,
on
that
I
would
just
comment
that
you
know
two
years
is,
is
something
that
in
certain
situations
is,
is
common
one
year
may
be
fine
as
well.
That,
I
wouldn't
say,
is
a
very
substantive
legal
point,
just
a
matter
of
prudence,
how
long
the
cause
of
action
should
be
brought
within.
You
know
it's
just
a
matter
of
between
the
violation
and
someone's
realizing
their
fights
were
violated
and
being
able
to
find
an
attorney
to
bring
a
suit.
Is
the
only
question
but
I'll
just
say
it's
a
matter
of
prudence
all
right.
A
Thank
you,
representative
nemes.
You
have
the
final
word
thank.
L
You,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
bring
this
back
to
what
this
bill
actually
does
all
this
bill
does.
Is
it
says
that
the
government
cannot
put
more
restrictions
on
churches
than
it
puts
on
other
organizations
that
are
vital
to
the
health
and
welfare
of
the
public?
L
It
doesn't
say
that
churches
are
open
all
the
time
every
time,
no
matter
what,
if
we
have
a
pandemic,
where
one
in
two
people
are
dying
or
everybody's,
not
it
doesn't
say
that
this
says
if
other
institutions
that
are
vital
to
the
health
and
welfare
of
the
public,
which,
I
would
say,
churches
are
vital
to
the
welfare
of
the
public.
L
If
those
are
open,
then
churches
are
open
if
they
have
restrictions,
the
churches
have
those
restrictions
as
well,
but
no
more,
no
less,
and
from
my
perspective,
in
my
my
constitutional
perspective,
we
didn't
understand
why
some
things
were
open.
Some
things
weren't.
I
could
fight
for
a
parking
spot
at
lowe's
and
elbow
elbow
into
the
the
owl
to
get
whatever
I
wanted
to
get.
L
That
was
not
essential
or
or
essential
at
lowe's,
but
I
couldn't
then
go
to
church
and
sit
pews
apart
from
others,
my
own
church,
the
archdiocese
of
louisville,
shut
down
for
a
while.
They
did
it.
They
did
that
on
their
own
accord,
then
they
decided
to
go
back
and
when
we
went
back,
families
could
sit
together,
but
we
set
pews
apart.
L
That
was
something
a
decision
that
my
church
made
and
it's
no
business
of
mine
as
a
legislator
and
no
business
of
the
governors,
andy
beshear
as
the
governor
to
impose
more
restrictions
on
churches
than
other
places,
vital
to
the
health
and
welfare
of
the
public.
So
in
some
ways
I
guess
I
agree
with
my
friend
representative
flood-
that
churches
shouldn't
be
open
all
the
time
they
should
have
restrictions.
That's
what
this
bill
says.
L
L
I
decided
with
the
elders
at
my
church
that
we
were
not
going
to
have
church
this
sunday
and
that
we
were
going
to
close
indefinitely
and
have
it
online
and
we
were
going
to
come
back.
They'd
made
that
decision
before
the
governor
did
and
then
he
said,
but
we're
having
church
this
sunday
we're
opening
and
the
reason
and
we're
going
to
have
it
very
small.
L
But
the
reason
we've
decided
to
open
after
we
decided
to
close
is
because
I
believe
the
principle
of
my
church
making
decisions
for
itself
is
so
important
that
we're
willing
to
openly
defy
the
governor
even
in
he
made
a
decision
that
that,
according
what
we
decided
was
the
best
for
our
people,
so
they
had
four
or
five
people.
He
said
they
spread
it
out,
but
the
point
of
religious
freedom.
I
think
this
this
is
lost
in
2022
in
so
many
places
the
point
of
religious
freedom.
L
Many
of
us
believe
the
point
of
life
is
to
serve
god.
It's
not
to
be
safe,
that's
important!
No
doubt
it's
to
serve.
Others
make
sure
that
we're
all
safe
but
fundamentally
is
to
serve
our
creator,
and
I
think
it's
wholly
important,
appropriate
completely
appropriate
to
say
look
we're
not
that
doesn't
mean
churches
can
be
irresponsible,
but
what
it
means
is
when
you
put
restrictions
on
other
places
that
are
vital
to
health
and
welfare,
those
restrictions,
no
more
and
no
less
are
on
churches.
L
A
At
this
point,
I
would
like
to
ask
again
for
who
made
the
motion
to
representative
upchurch,
and
the
second
was
a
representative
bratcher.
A
Can
I
explain
my
vote
if,
since
you
have
not
spoken,
you
can
speak
for
two
minutes
if
you've
already
it'll
only
only
get
one
minute,
okay,.
D
I'm
voting
yes
and
because
I'll
never
forget
that
day
that
the
troopers
were
out
at
a
church
that
I
I
actually
didn't
think
they
should
have
been
going
to
church
that
day.
If
you
remember
at
the
beginning
of
this
whole
pandemic,
there
was
a
lot
of
questions.
Nobody
knew
what
was
going
on
and
I
didn't
really
agree
with
that
pastor,
but
to
see
state
troopers
taking
down
license
plates
would
at
the
direction
of
the
governor.
D
C
Absolutely
no
on
this
bill
that
diminishes
the
democratic
tolerance
of
religious
diversities
and
those
of
us
who
followed
the
rules
all
the
way
to
the
bank
to
take
care
of
neighbors
who
were
not
in
our
churches,
who
were
not
someone.
We
were
going
to
necessarily
see
the
next
day
we
thought
of
all
of
those
whom
we
had
to
help
who
were
strangers,
which
is
why
our
church
followed
the
rules.
I
am
not
endorsing
a
bill
that
says
it's:
okay,
to
break
civic
rules
in
emergencies.
M
I
want
to
comment
before
I
make
my
vote.
You.
M
Thank
you
and
it'll,
be
you
know,
I
am
a
man
of
faith
and
I
know
that
each
of
us,
when
we're
given
this
job
of
service,
which
we
are,
that
we
provide
service
in
all
ways
in
terms
of
carrying
out
god's
word
and
his
will-
and
you
know
if
we
remember
the
first
outbreak
occurred
in
the
church.
I
believe
it
was
in
representative
hart's
district
of
where
the
congregation
it
was
a
spread
thing,
and
so
the
governor
took
action
based
upon.
M
M
The
governor
and
those
who
were
in
executive
positions
on
the
local
level
were
doing
what
was
best
at
that
time.
They
thought
for
the
community
and,
as
in
the
governor's
case,
what
was
best
for
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
and
that
is
the
charge
that
he
had
was
to
provide
safety
to
all
of
the
people
across
this
commonwealth
and
that's
what
he
had.
He
did
so
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
pass
on
this
bill
because
I
have
some
concerns
about
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
I
N
N
So
I'm
not
understanding
how
we
say
now
the
government
should
be
telling
an
organization
what
to
do
when
that's
all
this
body
ever
does
is
tell
other
people
what
to
do
with
their
bodies,
what
to
do
with
their
kids
and
now
we're
saying
we're
gonna
tell
you
what
to
do
with
your
faith.
We're
gonna!
That's
one
area.
We
can't
abide
so
I'm
voting,
no,
because
we've
already
addressed
this,
and
I
think
if
we
followed
what
the
rest
of
the
bible
said,
take
care
of
the
least
of
these
feed
them
clothe
them.
N
A
K
No
and
it's
for
legal
reason,
legal
concerns.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
have
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor
65
is
saying:
aye
opposed.
Like
son,
moshe
carey's
title
amendment
to
hb,
43
is
amended
by
a
committee
substitute
is
adopted.
Thank
you.
Next,
on
the
agenda
is
hb
133
represented
brought
by
representative
george
brown.
M
You
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
all
for
hearing
house
bill
133.
I've
heard
it
said
often
that
this
is
a
very
simple
bill
and
it
is,
it
is
to
recognize
the
juneteenth
holiday
june
june
19th.
M
L
M
One
educate
our
citizens
number
one
is
the
federal
holiday
that
was
made
a
federal
holiday
last
year
and
juneteenth
is
celebrating
the
emancipation,
the
recognition
of
the
emancipation
of
enslaved
africans
in
texas
that
did
not
receive
the
notice
until
two
years
after
emancipation
happened.
So
it's
recognizing
some
of
the
ills
that
happened
in
this
country
in
terms
of
dealing
with
its
enslaved,
indentured
servants.
A
Great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Seeing
no
other
questions,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
D
M
Let's
explain
my
vote,
I'm
voting
yes,
and
as
a
history
teacher
and
as
a
descendant
of
slavery.
M
M
E
E
A
A
F
E
E
A
Yes,
excellent
and
this
passes
with
the
expression
same
two
shall
pass
on
the
floor.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
Well,
come
on
up,
we
are
going
to
move
to
your
bill,
sir.
The
next
bill
that
we're
going
to
consider
is
house
bill.
388
by
representative
matt
cook
motion
on
sub,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
like
sign
sub
is
before
us.
J
Absolutely
representative
nemes,
thank
you
for
asking.
This
is
about
checks
and
balances.
I've
been
appointed
chairman
of
government
contract
review
for
over
a
year
now
and
I've
pulled
pulled
over.
I
actually
started
this
process
last
session
because
I
immediately
saw
that
we
had
an
issue
with
government
contract
review
with
checks
and
balances.
J
Right
now
we
have
a
contract.
Written
executive
branch
comes
over
to
the
government
contract
review
where
we
have
to
vote
on
it
and
it
takes
five
votes
to
disapprove
or
approve
of
which-
and
I've
got
the
list
here-
there's
not
very
many
going
back
all
the
way
to
2007..
We've
only
had
eight
that
we've
disapproved
since
I've
been
on
the
committee
with
representative
mentor
and
representative
bowling.
J
We
have
eight
eight
over
the
last
year
and
what
happens
they
go
right
back
to
the
finance
cabinet
promise
that
is
that's
part
of
the
executive
branch
and
what
I'm
just
trying
to
create
a
systems
of
checks
and
balances,
move
this
to
the
state
treasurer
to
provide
that's
in
there
not
that
anything's
doing
wrong.
In
fact
they
they
did
not
override
one
one
out
of
the
eight,
but
this
goes
back
against
multiple
administrations,
republican
democrat,
executive
branch,
republican
democrat
legislature.
J
E
E
My
vote
briefly
please.
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
seems
like
a
very
small
effort,
but
it
is
in
fact
very
important
because
the
checks
and
balances
in
our
government
are
very
important
and
that's
why
I'm
voting
yes
gladly.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
representative.
I
Briefly
explain
my
vote.
Please
I'm
I'm
on
government
contracts
with
representative
cook
and
he's
absolutely
correct
that
there
have
only
been
eight
examples
in
hundreds
of
contracts
that
go
through.
However,
the
same
language
in
this
committee
sub
is
under
under
litigation.
It's
already
been
held
to
be
unconstitutional
in
circuit
court
and
it
violates
the
separation
of
powers.
So
today
I'm
voting,
though.
L
E
F
A
Yes
and
the
matter
passes
same
two
shall
pass
on
the
floor.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
committee.
Thank
you.
The
final
item
on
the
list
is
hb,
186,
which
I
am
the
sponsor
of
I'm
going
to
ask
co-chairman
bratcher
to
take
the
gavel.
A
Great,
I
am
happy
to
bring
this
charity
protection
act
before
you.
America
has
the
highest
rate
of
philanthropic,
giving
in
the
world
making
philanthropy
an
essential
part
of
american
exceptionalism
and
national
greatness
charity
protection
act,
helps
kentucky,
attract
and
retain
private
foundations
and
charitable
trust
that
meet
the
needs
of
our
communities.
A
So
again,
the
the
bill
is
designed
to
create
a
predicted,
predictable
regulatory
environment
for
private
foundations
and
charitable
trust.
On
the
bill.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
I
would
like
to
just.
A
At
this
point
excellent
point:
the
I'd
like
my
guest
who's,
joining
us
by
zoom
just
to
introduce
him
self.
Please
chase
state.
F
For
the
introduction
I'm
chase
martin
visiting
fellow
with
a
philanthropy
roundtable.
E
E
E
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote
yes,
but
thank
you
for
this
piece
of
legislation.