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B
C
C
I
sponsored
this
bill,
but
I'm
going
to
remain
up
here.
We
do
have
a
special
guest
here
today
with
the
speaker,
the
speaker.
This
is
a
family
from
his
area
and
kira.
Who
is
here
with
us
today.
This
is
not
her
first
bill.
C
This
is
she
works
has
worked
with
kentucky
youth
advocates,
and
this
is
not
her
first
opportunity
to
present
here,
but
she
is
a
tireless
advocate
and
she
tells
me
someday
if
the
speaker
ever
gives
up
the
gavel
she
might
want
to
hold
that
seat.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
basically
just
give
a
very
quick
overview.
It's
a
very
it's
a
very
short
bill,
and
basically
it
deals
with
a
statute
involving
criminal
abuse.
C
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
The
committee
sub
is
adopted.
The
the
purpose
of
the
committee
sub,
so
that
you
know,
is
to
make
it
named
kami's
or
not.
Kimmy's
law-
correct,
yes,
kami's
law,
I'm
going
to
say
it
right,
and
so
that
is
going
to
be
the
name
of
this
bill
and
with
that
we're
going
to
turn
the
floor
over
to
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
speaker
first
and
he
can
introduce
his
guest
and
the
family
and
then
we'll
hear
from
kira.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee.
It's
privileged
to
be
here
today
to
help
carrie
present
this
bill.
E
This
evolved
from
a
summer
meeting
where
actually
going
back
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
when,
when
karen
and
her
family
were
here
advocating
for
another
bill,
and
when
we
passed
that
one
she
promptly
told
me
that
she
would
be
back
with
a
new
issue
pretty
soon
and,
and
it
took
her
about
three
years
I
think,
to
to
come
back
with
this
issue
met
with
her
this
summer
to
talk
about
it,
and
then
it
was
completely
and
totally
over
my
head,
which
most
things
are
these
days
it
seems,
but
so
I
put
her
in
touch
with
with
staff
and
mr
chairman
yourself
to
help
her
in
developing
this
bill
and
she
is
she's
taking
it
through
kya
and
has
has
done
an
outstanding
job
of
advocating
for
it.
E
You
know
it
is
it's
such
a
rarity
today
to
to
get
young
people
involved
in
in
public
policy.
You
see
the
rancor
of
politics
and
all
the
things
that
we
all
get
tied
up
in
and
so
to
see
somebody
that
is
able
to
operate
in
that
system
for
productive
purposes
without
ever
getting
mad
about
it
without
ever
calling
anybody
a
name
about
it
and
without
ever
really
caring,
who
is
a
republican
or
a
democrat.
F
Presentation,
oh
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
share
a
speech.
F
Cami
was
a
beautiful,
nine-month-old
baby
when
her
life
was
forever
changed
when
the
man
responsible
for
her
safety
shook
her
so
violently
that
she
was
clinically
dead
for
23
minutes,
cammy
survived,
but
due
to
trauma
only
half
of
her
brain
remained.
Since
that
day,
she
has
been
confined
to
a
wheelchair.
F
F
The
county's
attorney
handed
him
a
deal
of
five
years
in
prison,
of
which
he
did
not
even
solve
the
full
time.
Kentucky
has
the
highest
child
abuse
rates
in
the
nation.
We
need
change
in
kentucky
charter.
Visuals
can
still
visit
the
child
babies
after
they
get
out
of
prison
when
they
plead
down
to
a
lesser
sentence,
keeping
them
from
registering,
as
in
the
bezel
reported
child
abuse,
passed
20
000
in
2019,
that's
about
20
out
of
every
1
000
children,
a
little
over
half
of
child
abuse
cases
are
reported
in
kentucky.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I
know
you've
worked
very
hard
on
that
we've.
You
know
your
guests,
I
know
you
didn't
call
them
out
by
name,
but
we
have
here
the
mom
and
dad
which
is
andrew
and
and
brandy
dunk,
and
then
we
have,
I
think
cousins.
Is
that
correct
or
is
it
yeah?
We
have
heart,
okay
and
that's
harper
and
alex.
C
Is
it
okay
and
she's
worked
very
hard
on
this
bill
and
and
she
wanted
to
address
this
body,
and
so
she
has
worked
tirelessly.
So
we
worked
this
day
to
make
sure
this
happened
for
her
and
her
family.
She
was
very
passionate
about
bringing
this
bill.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
now?
Kira
is
open
up
the
floor
for
questions
about
the
bill
if
they
would
like
to
do
so,
direct
it
either
to
yourself
or
to
the
speaker
to
myself
and
we'll
be
glad
to
address
any
questions.
The
members
may
have
representative
scott.
C
G
I
just
have
a
comment
representative.
Thank
you
very
much
chairman.
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
so
proud
to
see
a
young
lady
sitting
up
there
with
the
speaker
of
the
house.
I
am
the
youngest
member
of
the
kentucky
general
assembly
and
I'm
just
really
proud
to
see
another
young
female
up
here,
advocating
and
using
her
power
and
her
voice
to
advocate
for
good
legislation.
So
thank
you
so
much
we're
very
proud
of
you
and
we're
glad
you're
here
today.
J
Thank
you
just
a
quick
comment,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
a
very
important
piece
of
legislation,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
why
it's
needful
not
only
from
your
story
but,
as
I
pointed
out
in
committee
with
data
that
was
provided
to
us
over
the
past
two
years.
With
these
shutdowns
we've
had
over
a
50
percent
increase
in
children
dying
at
the
hands
of
their
caregivers
in
this
state,
not
nationwide
in
this
state
over
50
percent
increase.
D
Over
here
kiera,
thank
you
for
bringing
this.
I
know
your
mother
was
very
excited
about.
I
know
you
are
she's
contacted
us
a
number
of
times.
The
speaker
who's
sitting
next
to
you
was
excited
about
this
day.
Also,
he's
made
sure
that
we
were
all
in
our
seats
and
ready
to
go
for
you,
and
so
this
is
great
advocacy.
I
have
two
questions.
D
My
first
question
is:
what's
your
next
bill,
you
know
you
got
another
one
coming,
I'm
sure
you've
done
a
great
job
and
the
other
one
is
derek,
and
I
have
some
bills
we
need
some
help
on.
Can
we
can
we
get
you
to
help
us
great
job
on
all
seriousness
is
a
very
important
issue
and
I'm
I'm
very
proud
to
represent
a
little
bit
of
oldham
county
where
you're
from-
and
I
know
your
speaker's
constituent-
and
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
thank
you
for
doing
this.
D
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
today.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
but
I
too
want
to
just
echo
what
my
colleagues
have
said.
I'm
really
proud
of
you
for
standing
up
for
a
really
important
issue
and
educating
the
speaker
of
the
house
on
this
issue
so
eloquently.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
This
is
a
good
bill.
I
do
have
a
question.
You
said
when
a
violent
perpetrator
is
is
cited,
that
they
don't
need
to
register
as
an
abuser.
Will
this
bill?
Maybe,
mr
speaker,
you
can
answer
this
when
we
move
this
to
a
b
felony.
Does
this
ensure
that
the
violent
perpetrator
registers
as
a
child
abuser,
and
then
you
know,
keep
them
from
interacting
with
the
victim
in
the
future?.
E
I
will
defer
to
chairman
massey
for
the
specifics,
but
I
do
believe
that
the
the
process
of
registering
was
since
it
can't
be
pled
down.
It
doesn't
reach
that
point
where
you
don't
have
to
register
that
correct.
Mr
chairman,.
C
Thank
you.
Yes,
the
the
purpose
of
the
bill.
There's
there's
several
changes
that
have
been
made
over
the
last
few
years
about
what
is
classified
as
a
violent
versus
a
non-violent
crime,
and
so
one
of
the
two
reasons
for
bringing
this
is
to
make
sure
that
raising
it
or
elevating
it
to
the
class
b
level
makes
it
a
violent
crime
which
should
be
subject
to
registration.
C
So
when
you
have
a
violent
offense,
though
you're
required
in
most
cases
when
it's
a
violent
described
as
a
violent
offense
to
serve
eighty-five
percent
of
your
time,
and
so
someone
that
commits
this
act,
especially
on
a
child
under
12,
would
therefore
be
designated
as
a
violent
offender
and
then
would
be
more
more
likely.
There's
always
arguments
that
can
be
made
would
be
more
likely
to
serve
that
85
percent
of
their
time.
H
H
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
clarification.
I
I
think
that
that
really
helps
those
of
us
who
are
not
lawyers
understand
the
importance
of
this,
and
I
again
thank
you
for
your
you're
bringing
this.
Thank
you.
C
Seeing
no
further
comments,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
H
G
G
C
Yes,
would
anyone
if
somebody
was
gone
representative
elliott,
would
you.
C
Okay,
there
being
17,
yes,
votes,
zero,
no
votes
and
zero
pass
votes.
This
will
be
reported
with
favorable
expression
that
the
same
should
pass
excellent
job.
Thank
you
to
the
family
for
being
here
as
well.
Thank
you,
mr
speaker,
for
bringing
this
young
lady
forward
to
present
this
an
excellent
piece
of
legislation,
and
we
thank
you
for
bringing
it.
C
Oh,
by
the
way
I
meant
to,
if
I
didn't
record
it,
the
that
was
the
bill
approved
as
amended
by
the
committee
sub.
C
The
next
bill
is
house
bill,
220,
that's
sponsored
by
representative
hale
and
he
has
a
guest
with
with
him
here
today.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
him
to
identify
himself
and
introduce
his
guest
and
then
you
may
proceed.
K
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much
today.
I
appreciate
the
in
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
I
am
representative
david
hale
from
the
74th
legislative
district,
and
I
have
joining
me
today.
The
commissioner
of
the
kentucky
high
school
athletic
association,
mr
julian
tackett,
and
I
will
be
brief
before
you
today.
I
come
before
you
and
the
committee
today
to
present
to
you
house
bill
220.
K
K
But
what
my
bill
that
I'm
bringing
before
you
today
is
it's
very
simple
and
I'm
sure
you
have
a
copy
of
that
before
you.
It
actually
is
very
simply
stated
that
this,
this
piece
of
legislation
is
intended
to
protect
the
officials
of
this
state
not
only
on
the
high
school
level,
but
also.
This
would
also
include
collegiate
level
officials
as
well
that
many
times
are
are
threatened.
They
are
on
occasions
physically
harmed.
K
There
has
been
threats
brought
against
their
families.
There
has
been
things
that
has
happened,
accusations
against
them
against
businesses
that
they
owned,
and
so
what
we
are,
what
we
are
facing
here
of
the
games
that
we
all
love
here
in
the
state.
Let's
be
factual,
we
all
love
to
watch,
our
kids
play
basketball
and
football
and
baseball
and
whatever
the
sport
may
be.
K
K
That's
out
there
because
we
have
a
shortage
of
officials,
and
I
believe,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
it
is
a
absolute
correlation
between
what
officials
are
having
to
put
up
with
and
the
abuse
and
I'm
not
talking
about
just
an
irate
fan
in
the
stands:
that's
hollering
at
the
official
he
or
her
it.
This
goes
far
beyond
that.
I
am
a
former
official
for
many
years.
K
Two
areas
of
the
parking
lot
or
even
off
the
school
grounds
that
some
of
those
would
escalate
to,
and
so
what
this
bill
does.
It
would
make
this
an
offense
which
would
be
a
class,
a
misdemeanor,
and
I'm
going
to
be
very
frank.
I
I
really
wanted
to
make
this
stiffer
than
that.
I
I
personally
felt
it
should
have
been
a
stiffer
penalty
than
a
class,
a
misdemeanor,
but
to
get
the
bill
possibly
heard
and
to
get
the
bill
passed.
K
I
went
with
those
those
actions
right
there
to
make
this
a
class
a
misdemeanor
and
again
I
I'm
very
I'm
very
troubled,
but
what
we're
seeing
happen
in
this
state-
and
I
would
at
this
point,
mr
chairman,
if
it
would
be
appropriate
I'd
like
for
the
commissioner
of
the
kentucky
high
school
athletic
association
today
to
just
share
with
the
committee
the
the
problem
that
he
is
seeing
as
he
oversees
this.
Our
athletic
contest
here
in
kentucky.
L
Well,
thanks
for
joining
the
hail
and
I'll,
be
very
brief,
because,
with
respect
to
your
schedule,
we
are
in
a
tremendous
shortage
over
the
last
three
to
four
years.
It's
not
all
covered
related
we're
down
in
kentucky
we're
down
about
25
to
30
percent
of
the
available
pool
of
officials
and
what
has
happened
over
the
last
few
years.
Our
schools
have
thrown
money
at
the
problem.
Our
organizations
have
increased
fees,
it's
not
money,
it's
not
that's,
not
the
reason
you're
losing
it's
the
environment.
L
It
is
what
they're
subjected
to
we've
been
here
a
couple
of
times
over
the
past
to
support
efforts
to
do
that.
I
realized,
probably
when
both
representative
hale
and
I
were
both
refereeing.
We
probably
had
a
lot
of
people
didn't
like
what
we
did,
but
they
seldom
threatened
us,
and
that
is
almost
an
every
night
thing.
You
recently
saw
an
issue
or
come
up
just
outside
of
lexington.
L
That
is
indicative
of
what's
going
on
around
the
state,
people
are
just
basically,
I
think
law
enforcement
feels
like
it's
an
all
or
nothing
they've
got
to
go
all
the
way
to
a
much
more
serious
offense.
This
gives
them
a
much
better
tool
in
their
toolbox
to
help
get
this
point
made,
and
we
really
wholeheartedly
support
it.
C
We
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
by
representative
mccoy
in
a
second
by
representative
lewis,
and
we
do
have
a
question
by
representative
elliott.
Thank.
I
You,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative
hale,
and
thank
you,
commissioner
tackett.
I
think
we've
had
this
bill
previously.
I
It
with
a
different
sponsor-
and
this
question
is
for
is,
for
commissioner
tackett-
is
some
of
this
related
to
the
ability
of
the
association
to
make
payments
to
to
our
officials.
I
know
you
know
years
ago
I
looked
into
into
doing
it.
I
I
play
an
official
every
weekend
on
my
couch.
You
know
watching
these
games,
but
I
know
that
the
pay
is
not
not
a
lot
and,
of
course,
the
association
can't
afford
to
make
large
payments.
But
what
what
part
of
this
is
due
to
that?
I
agree
with
representative
hale.
I
L
Thank
you
for
that
question,
because
it
also
gives
me
a
chance
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things
as
it
relates
to
school-based
sport.
The
payments
are
made
by
the
schools
and
there
there
is
varying
degrees
of
how
quickly
they
do
that.
We
are
blessed
in
our
state
about
half
of
our
school
districts
have
adopted
a
platform.
An
electronic
platform
called
ref
pay,
which
electronically
pays
them
as
soon
as
they're
certified
that
they
were
there,
and
that
has
been
a
big
help.
L
We
still
have
some
schools
have
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
with
our
military
bases
being
a
little
bit
slow,
but
that
problem
at
the
high
school
and
middle
school
level
is
not
what
it
was
before
it's
been
solved.
They
have
to
pay
within
seven
days.
The
actual
amount
of
pay
will
always
be
up
for
debate
and
there's
a
lot
of
of
local
negotiation
that
goes
on.
We
set
a
standard
fee
at
the
high
school
level,
but
that
does
not
apply
to
the
junior
varsity
and
freshmen
and
there's
a
lot
of
there's.
L
Some
community
engagement
there
to
try
to
figure
out
what's
the
best
rate.
The
biggest
problem
that
we're
facing
at
the
school
level
is
as
soon
as
we
recognize
a
problem
and
raise
the
school
officiating
fee.
The
local
leagues
raise
what
they're
paying
to
incentivize
the
people
to
do
the
games
that
are
five
miles
from
their
house
instead
of
traveling
on
a
snowy
night,
and
so
that's
probably
something
that
will
never
stop,
but
the
mechanics
of
payment
is
much
better
than
it
was
much
better.
Thank
you.
K
Bill
and
I'll
be
and
I'll
be
very
brief.
We
we
all
know-
and
I
know
I'm
sitting
in
a
room
here-
that,
where
there's
some
attorneys
here
and
and
lawyers-
and
we
all
know
that
there
are
there-
are
things
in
place
that
people
can
already
be
charged
with
an
assault
on
an
on
an
attack
of
someone.
K
That
are
playing
in
our
local
sports
teams
that
it
is
almost
impossible
now
to
keep
up
with
the
amount
of
games
that
we
have
with
such
a
shortage
of
officials
and
in
my
conversation
with
the
commissioner
tackett
even
last
night,
he
shared
with
me
that
there
was
instances
that
was
probably
going
to
be
coming
up
soon,
that
they
would
have
to
cancel
contests
because
they
they
could
not
cover
when
they
have
a
a
a
group
of
games.
Maybe
15
20
30
games
in
one
area
they
have.
K
They
do
not
have
the
amount
of
people
to
cover
that,
because
of
the
shortage
and
and
to
representative
elliott's
question
representative
elliot
I've
done
this
for
a
long
time
it
you
got
it's
kind
of
like
being
a
legislator,
you,
if
you
figure
up
your
time,
if
you
figure
up
the
hour
what
you
make
per
hour.
It's
it's
very,
very
small,
but
I
don't
think
on
our
level
where
I
did
it
in
the
high
school
level.
We
don't
do
it
for
the
pay.
We
do
it
because
we
love
the
game.
K
We
love
the
kids
commissioner
tackett.
L
C
G
K
C
D
A
C
C
C
You
you've
had
a
busy
day
that
being
said
as
we
transition
to
the
next
bill,
which
is
going
to
be
house
bill,
222,
we
are
going
to
being
the
judiciary
committee
make
a
technical
correction.
We
got
so
giddy
about
the
testimony
earlier
today
that
nobody
made
a
motion
on
the
original
bill,
even
though
we
voted
favorably.
So
we're
going
to
do
it
again
and
give
representative
blanton
the
time
to
register
his
vote.
So
do
I
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
with
regards
to
house
bill?
220
is
amended
by
the
committee
substitute.
J
C
J
I
G
H
D
A
C
C
As
indicated
before,
we
have
18,
yes,
votes,
zero,
no
votes,
zero
pass.
The
same
will
be
reported
with
favorable
expression
that
the
same
shall
pass.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence,
committee
members
again.
That
was
a
great
presentation
and
I
think
we
just
all
got
it
a
little
bit
ahead
of
ourselves.
So
thank
you.
Now
we
have
with
us
house
bill
222.
C
We
have
representative
call
carney
and
representative
nemes
and
they
have
a
guest,
and
this
bill
also
has
been
before
the
the
interim,
and
I
believe
it
was
discussed,
maybe
in
the
last
session
as
well.
So
we've
we've
been
on
this
bill
for
quite
some
time,
and
I
know
that
representative
call
carney
has
done
extensive
research
on
this
bill
because
I've
seen
it,
and
so
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
believe
that
we
included
or
sent
an
email
out
today
to
the
members
of
some
of
the
research
items
that
you
presented.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee.
Many
of
you
may
remember
the
interim
hearing
where
we
did
go
a
little
bit
in
depth
into
what
anti-slap
legislation
is.
Fundamentally,
the
bill
creates
a
special
motion
to
dismiss
that
can
be
used
to
protect
claims
that
involve
matters
of
public
concern
or
public
interest
from
frivolous
meritless
lawsuits
that
are
filed
in
order
to
chill
that
speech
or
deter
it.
I
think
that
we
can
just
quickly
go
over
some
of
the
main
points
in
the
bill.
M
M
Thank
you,
and
there
was
just
one
minor
change
in
a
phrase
in
that
bill.
Basically,
the
main
points
to
consider
here
are
the
anti-slap
legislation
is
designed
to
protect
the
core
values
of
speech,
press
petition
and
assembly
on
matters
of
public
concern
or
interest
that
are
secured
by
the
first
amendment.
M
I've
filed
a
version
of
this
bill
since
2019
have
had
a
lot
of
input,
a
lot
of
feedback,
a
lot
of
changes
that
have
been
made
to
end
up
with
this
version
of
the
bill,
which
is
very,
very
tightly
narrowed
and
construed
so
that
we
don't
have
this
issue
of
inconsistency
and
confusion
among
the
courts.
So
with
that,
I
guess
I'll
allow
either
my
co-sponsor
representative,
nemes
or
mr
mcgarvey
to
speak.
D
I'll
just
say
that
there's
not
much
more,
I
can
add
representative
carney.
Has
it
she's
the
expert
on
this
bill,
I'm
here
just
to
help
answer
any
questions
that
she
won't
need
it,
but,
but
I
I
do
think
john
john
mcgarvey
who's
a
constituent
of
mine,
so
we
he
gets
our
opportunity.
C
To
speak,
we'll
let
him
speak
in
just
a
moment.
We
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
by
by
representative
hevron
in
a
second
by
representative
mccoy.
I
do
have
we're
going
to
go
to
questions
in
mr
mcgarvey,
but
I
will
ask
you
to
clarify
one
thing
for
the
benefit
of
this
committee
and
after
talking
with
chairman
petry
this
morning,
you
gave
a
very
good
argument
to
a
question
regarding
separation
of
powers.
C
D
D
I
was
the
general
counsel
for
the
kentucky
supreme
court,
the
office
of
chief
justice
for
a
number
of
years,
so
the
concern
is
a
very
valid
concern,
and
that
is
that
in
areas
of
substance,
the
legislature
makes
the
rules
in
areas
of
process
the
courts
make
the
rules
in
areas
of
evidence,
because
some
of
that's
processed,
some
of
that
substance
we
work
together.
That's
kentucky
rule
of
evidence
1101..
D
This
is
some
of
this.
Bill
is
addresses
process,
as
representative
carney
has
outlined,
and
the
concern
is:
are
we
overstepping
our
bounds
into
separations
of
powers
and
I
would
say
we
have
two
responses
to
that.
There
are
a
number
of
statutes
that
we've
passed,
that
that
do
address
process
and
we
ask
the
court
to
grant
that
what's
called
comedy
comedy
is,
even
though
this
is
within
the
realm
of
the
court
system.
The
legislature
has
given
its
approval.
D
Well,
if
you
let
the
process
go
forward,
that
is
the
harm
to
me.
So
that's
the
substantive
harm
that
we're
trying
to
stop,
and
so
my
response,
mr
chairman,
is
those
two
things
one
I
believe
we
would.
We
would
ask
the
court
and
the
court
would
grant
it
comedy
to
the
extent
that
it's
necessary,
but
I
think
the
more
fundamental
point
is
the
process
is
the
substantive
right
that
we're
trying
to
address
here.
D
N
Again,
I
come
to
you
as
one
of
the
lrc's
uniform
law
commissioners
and
its
legislative
liaison
for
kentucky.
This
is
a
uniform
act.
The
process
by
which
this
act
was
developed
includes
a
year
of
study.
In
two
years
of
drafting,
I
have
never
seen
an
act
that
we
adopted
as
the
uniformed
law
commission,
enjoy
such
wide
support
as
this
one.
That
support
ranges
from
the
aclu
to
the
americans
for
prosperity.
N
It
is
now
before
the
indiana
legislature,
jim
bopp.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
all
recognize
his
name,
one
of
the
most
prominent
capital
c
conservative
lawyers
in
the
country
testified
in
support
of
it.
I
think
it
could
be
title
and
act
to
provide
an
efficient
mechanism
to
protect
the
first
amendment.
I
don't
want
to
waste
your
time,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
this
is
not
a
partisan
bill,
but
it's
a
product
of
the
uniform
law.
C
M
M
There
are
examples
where
a
coal
miner
was
essentially
a
whistleblower
against
the
company
for
dangerous
practices,
the
company
sued,
the
the
worker
for
defamation,
and
so
he
was
defending
against
that
underlying
defamation
case,
which
was
again
not
valid
on
its
merits,
but
was
just
designed
to
drain
the
individual
of
resources
and
try
to
essentially
shut
them
up
more
recently.
M
There
is
an
open
records
case
that
was
in
taylorville
involved
the
city
of
taylorsville,
where
they
sued
an
individual
for
filing
too
many
open
records,
requests
and
then
publishing
those
records
on
a
blog,
which,
of
course,
this
is
all
public
record
again
essentially
to
to
intimidate
and
stop
the
individual
from
publishing
that
information
on
the
blog.
M
I
think
one
there's
a
few
more
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
actions
involving
developers,
changes
in
zoning,
so
you
have
a
lot
of
local
planning
commissions
and
things
like
that
involved
in
developers
involved
in
suing
people
for
defamation.
For
bot,
you
know,
comments
being
made
in
public
hearings
or
just
statements
made
or
blocking
zoning
changes,
and
so
they'll
be
sued
for
something
like
tortious
interference
or
defamation,
just
to
kind
of
again
use
up
their
resources
and
and
not
ever
get
to
the
underlying
issue
at
hand.
J
I'm
going
to
beat
representative
scott
to
this
one:
what's
the
difference
between
the
original,
which
is
a
very
good
question
and
should
be
part
of
our
process,
every
committee:
what's
the
difference
between
the
original
bill
you
filed
and
what
we
just
changed
five
minutes
ago,
sure.
M
So,
on
page,
I
believe
it
is
page
it's
in
section
two,
which
is
the
exceptions
and
it's
number
five.
So
it's
2a5
in
section
yeah,
section
two
number,
two,
a
subsection
five
for
page
two
that
was
easier
seeking
recovery
for
bodily
injury,
wrongful
death
or
survival,
or
to
statements
made
regarding
that
legal
action.
There
was
another
phrase
in
there
involving
damage
to
reputation
which
was
removed
because
all
of
that
is
covered
under
subsection
b
of
that
same
section,.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
first
off
I'd
like
to
comment
that
I
appreciate
and
respect
the
way
representative
carney
has
marshaled
this
issue.
She
spoke
with
me
some
years
ago
and
and
was
persistent
in
the
bestest
ways
and
it's
a
good
issue.
That's
it's
worthy
of
pursuit.
I
have
several
questions,
not
the
fault
of
the
sponsor
anybody
presenting,
as
I
spoke
with
you
this
morning.
I
hope
that
we
can
talk
about
those
afterwards.
A
Secondly,
along
with
that,
there
are
some
procedural
mechanisms
in
the
bill
that
limits
appeal
time
to
21
days
of
mandates,
attorneys
fees
and
costs
and
other
expenses
on
certain
findings,
rather
than
letting
those
be
permissive
and
a
few
other
things.
I
hope
that
I
can
speak
with
someone
afterwards
again,
not
the
sponsor's
fault,
not
the
presenter's
fault,
and
I
hope
we're
able
to
do
that.
We'll
likely
be
a
pass
on
it
today,
but
I
hope
that's
not
a
bad
mark
on
the
bill
itself,
because
I
applaud
the
work
done
and
it's
a
good
issue.
C
J
My
vote,
mr
chairman,
I
am
going
to
vote
I
today
to
move
it
along
in
the
process,
but
I
will
echo
the
concerns
that
representative
petry
mentioned
and
hope
to
have
follow-up
conversations.
I
know
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
and
I
commend
you
and
I
have
no
doubt
of
your
work.
You
do
meticulous
work
and
I
appreciate
that
so
because
of
that
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
to
move
along
in
the
process
today.
Thank
you.
G
Yes
explain
my
vote.
I
studied
this
issue
preparing
to
run
for
office
actually
and
have
been
concerned
about
it
ever
since,
but
many
of
the
things
I
was
concerned
about
I've
seen
meticulously
taken
care
of
here,
but
I
still
have
the
same
kind
of
concerns
that
have
been
expressed.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
about
perhaps
taking
care
of
those.
Thank
you.
I
vote.
Yes,.
I
Hey
explain
my
vote,
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
vote
yes,
but
I
do
have
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
I
didn't
ask
it
during
the
discussion,
but
I
do
have
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
a
matter
of
public
concern
is
of
such
importance
that
we
should
limit
the
ability
of
someone
to
go
through
the
through
the
litigation
process.
So
I'm
gonna
vote
yes,
but
I
would.
I
would
like
to
have
that
discussion
with
you
and
I
thank
you
for
your
work.
L
H
A
Mr
chairman,
I
briefly
I
will
vote
yes
because
I
admire
the
work
done
and
it's
a
good
issue
again.
I
need
a
further
discussion
before
I
make
a
decision
on
the
floor.
Vote
yes
for
today.
Thank.
C
Yes,
there
being
18,
yes,
votes,
zero,
no
votes
and
zero
pass
votes.
The
same
will
be
reported,
a
favorable
expression
that
the
same
should
pass.
I
want
to
echo
the
good
work
that
you've
done
on
this
bill.
Complicated
bills
rarely
go
forward
without
having
changes
along
the
way,
and
we
know
that
that's
a
case,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
took
the
time
today
to
make
sure
this
committee
understood
what
you
were
trying
to
achieve
in
your
bill.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
C
C
We
may
hear
the
fentanyl
bill
that
was
initially
scheduled
on
our
first
agenda
and
was
pulled
we're
working
out
some
details
there.
We
have
requested
the
student
rights
bill
and
a
few
others.
So
as
I
get
more
information
through
the
week,
I
will
try
to
send
you
a
text
or
an
email
and
let
you
know
so
that
you
can
read
those
bills
in
advance
and
be
prepared.