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A
Everybody
gets
seated,
we
will
call
the
meeting
daughter.
A
There
all
right,
if
we,
the
Marine,
is
going
to
lead
us
in
our
pledge.
Senator
Wilson.
C
A
All
right
we'll
get
started.
Thank
you
all.
Today
we
got
two
bills
on
the
agenda
and
the
first
bill
on
the
agenda
is
Senate
Bill
79
with
Senator
Rocky
Adams,
and
if
you
all
you'll
come
up
and
then
your
guest
guest
looks
a
little
familiar
too.
D
A
All
right
yeah,
you
all,
may
proceed
and
introduce
yourselves.
Okay.
F
F
What's
even
worse
is
that
government
facilitates
this
through
unnecessary
publication
of
individuals,
physical
addresses
when
a
victim
decides
to
leave
and
find
a
safe
place.
Often
her
abuser
is
able
to
find
her,
sometimes
by
finding
her
new
location
through
easily
accessible
and
free
public
records.
F
We
can
and
must
do
more
to
protect
victims.
Currently,
my
office
runs
the
address
confidentiality
program.
It's
a
little-known
creation
from
2013
that
allows
people
with
protective
orders
to
have
their
addresses
hidden
when
registering
to
vote.
Instead,
the
state
capital
is
the
listed
voting
address
on
public
records.
Only
my
office
and
the
county
clerk
know
their
real
addresses
where
absentee
ballots
are
sent,
so
they
can
vote
in
safety.
F
That's
a
worthy
idea
and
my
predecessor
deserves
credit
for
it.
However,
it's
time
for
us
to
do
more.
The
existing
address
confidentiality
program
is
extremely
Limited
and
has
fewer
than
50
participants.
Statewide
studies
show
some
45
percent
of
Kentucky
women
and
35
percent
of
Kentucky.
Men
have
experienced
domestic
violence
a
lot
more
than
50
people.
There
are
two
core
issues
with
our
current
program.
F
Second,
requiring
that
participants
have
an
active
protective
order
against
an
abuser
can
be
counterproductive.
As
that
process
May
reveal
their
new
address
to
their
abuser
and
is
noted.
The
vast
majority
of
domestic
abuse
victims
don't
obtain
a
protective
order.
The
general
assembly
and
I
have
worked
hard
these
past
three
years
to
modernize
our
election
process
and
borrow
good
ideas
from
other
states,
and
this
is
another
example.
F
Senate
Bill
79
becomes
law.
It
will
bring
our
program
in
line
with
38
other
states
that
provide
a
comprehensive
program
masking
addresses
on
public
records.
Victims
of
domestic
violence
should
know
our
office
and
the
general
assembly
have
their
back
and
our
government
won't
facilitate
stalking.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I'll.
Just
add
to
the
secretary's
comments
that
the
safe
at
home
act.
It
makes
really
critical
reforms
to
protect
victims
of
domestic
violence,
stalking
and
human
trafficking.
It
allows
the
it
allows
the
participants
in
this
program
to
enter
in
through
just
a
sworn
statement,
rather
than
what
the
secretary
said
in
emergency
protective
order.
E
So
it
creates
reciprocity
with
other
states
which
I
think
is
really
critical
because,
as
you
know,
some
people
move
away
because
they're
they
just
don't
feel
safe
at
home.
I
could
give
you
anecdotal
evidence
of
people
that
I've
talked
to
on
a
daily
basis
who
have
sold
their
cars
because
they
think
they're
too
identifiable
who
have
refrained
from
living
in
certain
places
because
they
don't
feel
safe
there.
E
This
I
think
is
such
a
nice
broadening
of
a
current
program
that
we
have
and
it's
a
great
resource
of
of
people
feeling,
finally,
that
someone's
listening
to
them
and
that
they
can
feel
safe.
H
Thank
you
appears
to
be
a
great
program
and
it's
going
to
appear
to
be
a
rhetorical
question,
but
just
to
make
sure
I'm
not
missing
anything
I'm
always
concerned
about
unintended
consequences.
What's
the
downside
to
this.
F
H
F
Senator-
and
let
me
add
to
that
as
well-
there's
a
in
the
bill
there's
a
formal
process
for
our
office
to
actually,
of
course,
review
these.
These
applications
ensure
there's
no
perjury,
no
attempt
by
people
to
avoid
creditors
that
sort
of
thing.
So
there
is
oversight.
It's
not
just
people
kind
of
walking
in
and
signing
up,
there'll
be
a
review
process.
G
F
Dollars
we're
not
charging
the
taxpayers
for
this.
These
are
funds
that
are
coming
to
us
as
you've
appropriated
through
the
ACP
program
that
we
already
have.
These
are
funds
that
come
from
fines
assessed
from
people
that
are
convicted
to
these
offenses
that
we're
protecting
people
from
so
that's
paying
the
cost
of
this
fund
to
have
been
sort
of.
H
H
A
You
Senator
Westfield.
I
Thank
you,
chairman,
I'm,
stunned
secretary,
that
we've
only
got
50.
I.
Remember
the
bill.
Passing
and
I
am
there's
a
lot
more
than
50.
That
could
benefit
from
it.
So
I'm,
certainly
supportive
of
the
bill.
I'm
curious,
whether
or
not
and
I'm
not
asking
you
to
commit
to
this
or
anything
but
I'm
wondering
if
everyone
knows
that
it's
even
an
option
or
when
this
is
enacted
as
presumably
it
will
be
whether
they'll
know
that
this
is
an
option.
An
expanded
option.
I
Has
anyone
considered
whether
it's
your
office
or
maybe
some
of
the
domestic
violence,
Advocates
or
anyone,
talked
about
some
sort
of
an
ad
campaign,
something
messaging
to
get
the
word
out
to,
if
not
Mass
public
than
at
least
to
our
domestic
violence,
shelters
and
other
providers
in
this
space?
To
let
people
know,
this
is
a
resource
that
you
can
lean
on.
J
A
A
You,
secretary
Adam,
if
this
was
late
in
the
year,
we
might
even
put
it
on
what
is
it
consent,
but
we
won't
do
that.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
y'all.
Now
we're
going
to
hear
from
Senator
nemus
and
his
guest
if
they
will
come
to
the
come
to
the
altar.
As
father
niemus
comes
to
the
altar,
I
mean
senator
neimus.
J
G
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
for
hearing
this
very
important
bill.
It's
not
a
simple
Bill
I'm.
Sorry
I
can't
say
that,
because
it's
very
important
and
we're
going
to
keep
this
succinct,
we
could
talk
all
day
on
this
subject,
because
it's
exciting,
as
I
promised
you
I'm
going
to
behave
because
thank
you.
The
Secret,
Service
retired,
colonel
from
the
NSA
and
army
military
intelligence,
I've
I've
got
Homeland
Security
here,
so
I
will
behave.
I
also
have
an
admiral
here
so
anyway,
what
this
Bill
does
is.
K
First
of
all,
let
me
introduce
my
guest
colonel
turn.
The
mic
on.
L
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
inviting
us
I'm,
Rick,
halbly
I'm,
president
of
global
Watchman
Associates
and
my
background
is
I,
was
in
served
24
years,
active
duty
in
the
Army
as
a
military,
intelligence,
Colonel
and
then
I
transitioned
to
Federal
senior
executive
service
with
the
Department
of
Defense
and
the
intelligence
community
and
was
a
senior
executive
at
NSA
for
20
years
and
I
worked
with
CAE
programs.
While
I
was
there.
M
L
J
Morning
Senators,
my
name
is
Gene
price
right
now:
I'm
a
partner
with
frost,
Brown,
Todd
Lexington,
of
course,
before
that
I
spent
36
years
with
the
Navy
as
a
Navy
intelligence
officer,
I
retired,
as
a
rear,
Admiral
two-star,
rear,
Admiral
and
while
I
was
a
commander
of
the
Office
of
Naval
intelligence,
which
is
the
nation's
Premier,
Maritime
intelligence,
Authority.
It
goes
to
the
president
fairly
regularly
with
updates
and
things
like
that.
First
Kentucky
India
ever
lead
it.
So
a
little
bit
proud
of
that.
J
Also
I
was
the
deputy
commander
of
Fleet
cyber
command
at
Fort
Meade,
where
Rick
was
and
we're
a
supported,
cybercom,
NSA
and
disa
the
defense
Information
Systems
agency,
so
I'm,
primarily
here
in
that
role.
All
that
experience,
what
I'm
primarily
doing
now
with
frost
Browns
out,
is
cyber
security
counseling
for
Kentucky
businesses.
N
Go
ahead
and
Robert
Holman
special
agent
in
charge
of
the
U.S
Secret
Service
here
in
out
of
our
Louisville
Field
office,
and,
of
course,
we
investigate
cyber
crime
and
and
deal
with
cyber
security,
and
so
we're
interacting
with
citizens.
Here
all
throughout
the
state
of
Kentucky
and
with
cyber
security
issues.
A
Do
you
want
to
I'll
introduce
to
the
sub
or.
K
A
Didn't
talk
about
the
bills
looking
for
adoption
kind
of
motion
by
Senator
Williams,
second,
by
Senator
Wilson,
any
yeah
I,
if
you're
with
the
sub
and
Nave,
not
who's,
we're
just
going
to
do
a
Voice
vote
all
right.
All
four
any
opposed
I
got
one
of
those
good
cash.
All
right
Center.
You
may
explain
the
bill.
K
K
K
To
start
start,
a
regional
cyber
Center,
like
the
Georgia
has
in
Florida,
has
what
this
will
do
is
it'll
help
K
through
12,
in
post-secondary
education,
in
a
pipeline
into
the
universities
and
to
the
businesses
into
the
as
the
military
and
government
to
be
able
to
do
the
Top
Line
cyber
and
be
taught
from
kids
in
Kentucky
and
bring
in
people
from
all
over
the
United
States
to
our
universities,
and
they
have
to
be
able
to.
K
This
will
help
businesses
like
we
have
the
the
Admiral
here
that
talking
about
how
it's
going
want
to
help
in
the
businesses
to
come
in
there
be
some
Skiffs,
probably
in
the
uofl
center,
the
Cyber
Center.
That
will
be
built
it's
this.
This
is
the
start
of
something
really
great,
and
if
we
don't
do
it
in
the
end
or
our
surrounding
place,
will
this
will
be
There's
jobs
out
there
in
six
figures
that
can't
be
filled
right
now.
K
All
of
these
people
need
need
qualified
people
to
go
into
this,
so
hopefully
we'll
I'm
going
to
let
them
start
with
Kevin
Gardner
go
ahead.
D
Thank
you
thanks
again
for
having
us
I'm
going
to
keep
my
remarks
brief
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
particularly
because
there's
a
lot
more
expertise
at
this
table
than
than
I
have
I
think
we
can
thank
Colonel,
hubbleb's
vision
for
this.
It
was
his
idea
to
begin
with,
and
and
and
since
that,
since
that
original
mention
of
of
the
concept
of
a
Kentucky
cyber
security
Center
in
2012
sorry,
2020,
we've
met
with
we've
gone
and
visited
Georgia
cyber
Center
Florida
cyber
security,
Center
we've
met
with
private
sector
companies.
D
Metals
manufacturers
in
Kentucky
have
a
have
a
cyber
security
problem.
They
know
how
to
make
metal,
but
they
don't
know
how
to
do
the
cyber
security
piece.
Healthcare
energy
and
water
utilities,
office
of
Homeland
Security
Department
of
Education
we've
met
with
all
of
these
folks
from
across
the
across
the
state
to
understand
what
what
does
this
need
to
be
in
order
to
provide
the
the
types
of
security
that
that
these
institutions
need
both
private
sector,
Institution,
state
agencies
and
and
federal
agencies.
D
We've
also
met
with
educational
institutions
across
the
state,
from
from
Murray
State
to
EKU
and
and
NKU
and
everywhere
everywhere
else,
in
between
to
figure
out
how
this
can
support.
All
of
the
educational
initiatives
in
the
state
University
of
Louisville
currently
leads
a
national
Consortium
of
educational
institutions
and
provides
training
for
their
professors
and
teachers
to
increase
their
ability
to
offer
cyber
security
education
in
particular
that's
geared
at
non-academic
programs.
So
we're
not
talking
necessarily
about
bachelors
and
master's
degrees.
D
We're
talking
about
educational,
upskilling
for
people
that
at
all
levels
right,
Community,
College,
level,
high
school
level,
professionals
that
are
in
the
field.
If
there's
one
field
that
changes
rapidly,
it's
cyber
security,
it's
it's
always
continually
evolving
and
what
this
bill
does
is
to
develop
a
really
rich
ecosystem,
so
that
we
can
continuously
evolve
and
develop
and
have
Kentucky,
be
the
cyber
security
expert
Center
for
for
this
region
of
the
country.
D
J
My
firm
got
really
heavily
into
this
last
spring.
We've
all
heard
about
this
Russia
invaded
Ukraine
and
there
have
been
a
bill
pending
before
the
Congress
for
several
years
on
cyber
security,
having
a
comprehensive
look
at
critical
infrastructure
across
the
United
States,
the
electric
grid,
chemicals,
Transportation,
16,
separate
sectors
that
President
Obama
identified
back
in
2013..
J
So
in
the
wake
of
that
Invasion
sisa,
which
is
the
critical
infrastructure
and
cyber
security
agency
and
Security
Agency.
Excuse
me
in
Washington.
It's
also
a
part
of
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security.
They
made
a
major
push
under
director
Jen
easterly.
To
get
this
thing
passed
because
there
was
a
profound
fear
that
what
the
Russians
were
doing
to
the
ukrainians,
they
would
be
doing
to
Nato
in
the
United
States,
and
so
that
was
pushed
through
and
it
passed
and
now
they're
putting
through
What's
called
the
enabling
regulations.
J
You
are
familiar
with
that
and
we
expect
to
see
those
enabling
enabling
regulations
here
sometime
later
this
year,
the
proposed
ones.
So
what
does
cersea
do
this
new
statute?
This?
The
cyber
security
incident
reporting
and
cyber
security
information
act?
It
was
it's
going
to
require
companies
across
the
United
States,
if
they're
critical
infrastructure
to
report
within
72
hours
of
a
hack,
whether
it's
ransomware
or
their
DDOS
or
whatever
it
is,
and
what
are
the
main
features
of
it
main
concerns
that's
coming
out
in
industry.
J
Is
it
doesn't
just
look
at
your
I.T
system,
your
email,
your
applications
that
you're
running
on
your
own
personal
computers
or
at
work,
or
here
with
the
legislative
commissions,
it
goes
into
What's
called
the
OT
networks,
the
operational
technology?
That's
the
stuff!
That's
not
run
so
much
by
your
it's,
but
Engineers
people
are
Highly
Educated
in
industrial,
Control,
Systems,
programmable
logic,
controllers,
Escada
systems.
All
these
different
things
are
now
going
to
become
front
and
center.
J
For
instance,
since
cersea
was
passed
just
in
in
January
ferc,
the
Federal
Energy
Regulatory
Commission,
there's
too
many
acronyms
in
the
federal
government,
but
ferc
told
nerk,
which
is
the
North
American
Electric
Regulatory
Commission.
You
are
going
to
pass
new
cyber
security
regulations
that
are
going
to
require
a
lot
more
robust
oversight
over
your
networks,
particularly
electricity.
J
J
We
don't
have
enough
people
trained
in
that
I
counsel,
clients,
I
was
talking
to
client
yesterday.
That
is
trying
is
grappling
with
what's
coming
here
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
They
they're
in
a
rural
area
and
they
can't
get
Engineers
to
come
to
where
they
are.
So
what
we
have
to
have
is
a
center
like
Dr
Gardner
was
talking
about
that.
J
Will
train
people
kentuckians
that
will
stay
here
because,
on
the
other
end
of
things,
I've
got
another
client
I
was
talking
to
this
goes
back
two
or
three
months
ago
they
had
been
advertising
an
entry-level
job,
paying
about
75
000
a
year,
pretty
good
starting
salary.
In
my
my
book,
they'd
advertised
it
twice
and
they
had
not
been
able
to
get
a
single
applicant.
They
were
in
a
an
area
where
it's
sort
of
Rural
and
I'm
from
a
rural
area
I'm
from
Quail
County.
J
They
couldn't
get
anybody
to
apply
for
this,
even
though
it
was
pretty
good.
So
why
there's
just
not
enough
trained
people?
It's
just
that
simple.
If
you
ask
the
Office
of
Management
and
budget
right
now
at
the
federal
level,
we
are
almost
one
million
people
behind
who
are
trained
to
do
this
sort
of
work,
so
the
urgency
of
it
is
very
real
and
every
single
federal
agency
is
starting
to
pile
on
with
regulations.
The
FDIC
came
out
with
a
report
in
late
January.
Very,
very
critical
of
this
is
the
IG
of
the
FDIC.
J
The
Inspector
General
is
critical
of
that
agency,
saying
you
aren't
doing
enough
for
cyber
security
to
protect
the
savings
and
deposits
that
Americans
have
on
file,
and
then
the
SEC
has
passed
new
regulations
on
cyber
security.
The
EPA
has
passed
new
regulations
and
they
had
to
take
water
inspectors
initially,
I,
don't
know
if
they're
still
doing
this
and
train
them
on
how
to
do
audits,
for
cyber
security,
no
background
in
it.
J
Coast
Guard
is
having
to
do
the
same
thing,
because
everybody
all
at
once
with
with
the
invasion,
is
very,
very
concerned
about
what
could
happen.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
and
I
talked
to
clients
almost
daily
about
these
sort
of
things
and
I.
Think
Kentucky
has
an
opportunity
here
to
get
ahead
of
the
game.
We
can
put
it
in
a
major
metropolitan
area
where
there's
lots
of
there's
lots
of
options.
If
you
have
Highly
Educated
people
who
are
become
highly
compensated,
they
want
options.
You
know.
J
N
Thank
you
very
much
again:
I'm
Robert
Holman
with
the
U.S
Secret,
Service
and
the
way
I
see
this
is
we've
been
able
to
work
with
the
University
of
Louisville.
We
as
the
Secret
Service,
have
a
cyber
fraud
task
force
for
the
state
where
we
work
with
state
and
local
agencies,
along
with
our
federal
Partners
Academia
and
with
industry
partners.
N
We
are
involved
in
the
Cyber
threat
area
because
we
are
the
ones
that
get
called
when
people
are
compromised
when
their
businesses
do
get
compromised
or
something
has
happened.
That
hack
has
already
happened,
and
so
we
go
in
and
try
to
strengthen
those
systems,
identify
who's
doing
it.
But
in
doing
that,
we
are
starting
to
realize.
Well,
we've
already
realized
how
big
of
a
problem
that
is
and
training
is
important.
Training
is
important
for
the
people
that
we
are
trying
to
hire.
N
It's
been
very
successful
for
us,
and
it
is
something
that
we
look
forward
to
doing
here
in
Louisville
as
well
and
having
this
in
a
in
a
Center
in
a
university
like
the
University
of
Louisville,
where
we
have.
The
contacts
with
the
FBI
with
the
Secret
Service,
with
DHS
as
a
whole,
is
something
that
will
allow
that
to
grow
and
allow
us
to
use
some
of
our
resources
and
their
resources
together
to
continue
to
train
state
and
local
agencies
to
be
able
to
combat
it
as
well.
L
You
know
our
society
in
our
critical
infrastructure
depend
on
a
secure
cyber
environment
to
operate.
It
affects
all
of
us.
This
initiative
is
not
about
an
academic
curriculum
at
all.
Okay,
this
CR.
This
initiative
floats
all
boats
in
this
state,
regardless
of
where
you
live
in
this
state.
Regardless
of
what
your
income
is,
regardless
of
what
your
profession
is,
it
affects
all
of
our
businesses,
all
of
our
state
government,
all
of
our
Lives.
It
floats
all
the
boats
for
our
people
here
in
this
state.
L
The
problem
is,
we
have
a
problem
and,
as
the
Admiral
said,
we
don't
have
enough
qualified
people
to
shore
up
the
gap
of
this
very
critical
threat.
When
I
talk
to
the
Appropriations
Revenue
Committee
in
August
and
in
November
I
talked
to
him
about
the
threat.
That's
not
what
I'm
here
today
to
do,
but
I
do
want
to
give
you
some
information.
The
information
is,
is
the
Admiral
said
we
have
over
700
000
job
vacancies
in
this
country
in
cyber
security.
L
We
have
we
have
over
4
600
job
vacancies
in
this
state.
All
the
surrounding
states
around
us
have
more
vacancies
than
we
do
Okay.
The
reason
is,
we
don't
have
qualified
people
who
are
graduating
with
the
right
experience
and
preparation
to
take
these
jobs,
and
we
don't
have
people
in
jobs
who
have
the
skills
to
do
the
cyber
security
job.
Okay,
and
so
that's
why
the
federal
government
set
up
these
centers
of
academic
excellence
in
cyber
security.
What
we
do
have
in
this
state
are
six.
L
We
have
six
academic
institutions
in
this
state
that
are
that
are
certified
that
are
accredited,
but
think
about
that.
We
have
4
000,
accredited
colleges
and
universities
in
this
country.
We
have
less
than
400
that
are
accredited
in
cyber
security.
We
have
50
colleges
and
universities
in
this
state.
We
only
have
six
that
are
accredited.
We
have
a
shortage
of
people,
Preparing
People.
We
have
K-12
where
we
do
not
have
a
generation
of
cyber
athletes
being
trained
to
step
up.
They
don't
even
think
about
cyber
security.
L
As
a
career
field,
we
got
to
fix
that.
We
have
industry
that
has
more
shortfalls
than
government.
Believe
it
or
not-
and
they
want
to
throw
money
in
this,
just
like
the
federal
government
does
there's
a
lot
of
money
for
this
state.
When
you
look
at
what
Georgia
did
they
make
so
much
money
at
their
cyber
Center
I?
L
Think
they're
carrying
forth
this
year
about
12
million
dollars
in
Revenue,
because
they've
got
so
much
interest
in
the
industry
coming
in
and
pouring
money
into
their
facility
and
the
federal
government
in
there
that
they
plan
to
be
self-sustaining,
not
taking
a
nickel
from
the
state
government
they'll
pay
their
own
salaries,
their
own
operation
fees
and
they're.
Thinking
about
building
another
building,
they'll
pay
for
themselves.
It's
a
money
maker
for
the
state,
both
in
terms
of
personal
income,
Revenue
corporate
Revenue.
So
it's
a
great
Money
Maker
for
this
state.
L
But,
more
importantly,
this
state
needs
this
to
secure
itself
both
for
local
state
government
and
for
the
federal
government
and
qualify
our
people
for
high
paying
jobs,
if
not
in
this
state
and
other
states,
and
so
I
urge
you
to
really
take
a
good
look
at
this.
This
floats
all
boats,
it's
something
that
we
should
do
for
our
citizens.
Thank
you
for
your
time,
love
to
take
questions.
A
Thank
you,
Homeland
Security.
You
want
to
say
a
a
brief
word.
O
Very
brief:
yes,
I'm
Brigadier,
General
retired
Steve,
Bullard
Kentucky
Commission
on
Military
Affairs
I
do
work
closely
with
Josh
Keats
at
Homeland,
Security
we've
been
working
with
UF
uofl.
We've
got
a
DOD
two
million
dollar
Grant
in
2020
to
set
up
a
cyber
certifications
program
through
the
University
of
Louisville
Senator
McConnell
just
gave
20
million
dollars
through
the
National
Defense
authorization
act.
O
O
A
Got
a
couple
of
questions
and
our
own
Tech
expert
is
Senator
Westerfield
and
we're
going
to
let
him.
I
Start.
Thank
you.
Chairman
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
Gentlemen.
I
appreciate
your
time.
Senator
thank
you
for
for
bringing
the
bill
I'm
going
to
try
to
be
concise
here
and
get
my
questions
asked
quickly.
Instead
of
going
one
at
a
time,
I'm
just
going
to
ask
if
any
of
you
visited,
Murray
State
University
before
so,
I've
got
two
hands.
L
D
I
I
know
that
have
you
been
to
the
center
I
haven't
been
there:
okay
in
1997
the
legislature
created
and
required
each
of
our
six
Flagship
state
universities
to
create
programs
of
Distinction
and
Murray
State
has
one
I
assume
you
know
what
it's
called
and
what
it
deals
with:
80
plus
companies
visiting
Murray
State,
it's
got
200
or
so
students
in
that
program,
I'm
sure
they'd
like
to
have
more.
It's
been
recognized
gentleman
from
the
Secret
Service,
whose
name
I
apologize.
That
I
did
not
take
that
down.
I
I
didn't
get
that,
but
you
said
that
it's
important
for
a
university
to
have
a
program
like
this
to
partner
with
the
federal
government.
Murray
State's
done
that
it
has
been
recognized
by
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security
by
the
NSA
as
a
center
of
academic
Excellence
for
cyber
defense.
We
have
this
already
and
I
guess
I'm
curious.
I
Why
why
we
need
to
spend
money
at
the
University
of
Louisville
at
the
expense
of
one
that
we've
had
operating
and
successfully
operating
for
a
quarter
of
a
century
and
I
and
I
before
we
answer
that
question
I
want
to
ask
the
20
million
dollars
or
20
or
30
million
dollars,
I've
seen
it
reported
as
20
I've
seen
it
reported
as
30
million
dollars.
It's
coming
through
the
the
federal
appropriation
gentleman
front.
Mr
is
at
Alexander
from
the
or
yes,
sir,
from
the
University
of
Louisville
Gardner.
D
D
I
I
Wanted
is
that
anything
else?
Okay,
the
the
only
other
thing
I
guess
I
would
take
issue
with,
and
this
is
the
gentleman
from
frost
you
mentioned
that
that
Highly
Educated
people
want
to
and
and
enjoy
coming
to
a
metro
area
as
someone
from
a
rural
area,
I
frankly
find
it
insulting
to
argue
that
that
Louisville
can
be
or
Lexington
can
be
and
I
know,
that's
not
what
you
were
saying,
but
that's
certainly
how
this
rural
Kentucky
boy
got
it
and
and
I'm
sorry
I'll.
I
Let
you
address
that,
of
course,
but
Murray
State's
got
a
a
very
good
facility.
That's
been
nationally
recognized
by
the
very
authorities
that
you're
here
on
behalf
of
or
that
you
once
worked
for
that
partner
with
universities
and
I.
Agree,
listen,
and
let
me
say
this
that
the
chairman
acknowledged
I'm,
the
biggest
nerd
in
the
legislature.
I
Everything
you
said
was
right.
We
are
far
behind
everything
you
said
was
right
regarding
the
need
for
more
cyber
security
education
and
a
much
more
robust
Workforce
than
we
have
today
in
the
public
and
in
the
private
sector.
I'm,
a
member
of
the
ncsl
cyber
security
task
force
and
have
been
for
about
five
or
six
years,
I.
I
Even
though
you
can
probably
anticipate
my
vote
but
10
years
from
now,
uofl
is
going
to
get
much
more
attention
and
much
more
affection,
because
it's
one
of
the
two
big
research,
universities
and
I
know
that
the
federal
money
was
only
available
for
research,
universities
and
places
like
Murray
State,
Eastern,
Western,
K-State
Morehead.
They
continue
to
suffer
I'll.
Let
you
respond
to
the.
J
J
My
comments
directed
at
Murray,
I
I,
had
a
client
yesterday,
literally
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
this
hearing
tell
me
that
they
can't
get
Engineers
on
their
networks,
because
people
they're
in
a
rural
area,
I
can't
say
the
client
it's
not
in
Southwest
Kentucky,
though
they
can't
get
people
to
come
because
they
have
they
work
hard
to
get
Engineers.
I.
Think.
Are
you
an
engineer
because,
okay,
regrettably.
M
J
I
L
I
can
assure
all
of
you
that
this
initiative
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
getting
attention
or
affection
for
the
University
of
Louisville.
Okay.
This
is
about
problem
solving
and
preparing
our
people
in
our
Workforce
for
the
Future
Okay
in
2020.
It
was
Murray
that
invited
me
to
come
to
the
first
Kentucky
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
cyber
security
and
forensics
conference.
Murray
was
actually
the
lead
in
the
state
for
putting
that
together,
along
with
the
other
five
caes.
L
It
was
then
that
I
brought
up
this
idea
of
what
you're
not
doing
I
had
no
naysayers,
no
one's
doing
what
we
this
program
lays
out
to
be
doing.
Okay,
there
are
a
lot
of
the
caes
have
degree
programs
like
Northern
Kentucky,
like
University
of
Cumberlands,
and-
and
that's
that's
great.
We
want
more
people
in
this
state.
L
Putting
programs
together
like
that
so
I
I
applaud
Murray,
State,
University
okay,
but
to
get
back
to
your
point,
when
you
take
a
look
just
kind
of
an
unbiased,
unprochial
non-political
put
all
that
unbiased
Prejudice
aside
Louisville,
arguably
we
have
an
international
airport.
Here,
that's
going
to
bring
industry
in.
We
have
a
large
economy
here.
We
have
interstates
going
through
here.
We
have
the
Ohio
River
going
here.
L
We
have
a
huge
population
when
you
look
at
the
potential
that
Louisville
has
quite
frankly
and
compared
to
any
other
place,
it's
centrally
located,
it's
not
in
the
East,
it's
not
in
the
west.
You
know
you
have
Cumberland,
you
have
Northern
Kentucky,
you
have
Murray
in
the
west
we're
centrally
located.
Here.
We
have
a
big
city.
We
have
a
great
economy,
it's
just
kind
of
a
no-brainer
that
if
you
want
to
set
up
a
cyber
security
facility
for
this
state,
you
want
to
go
with
the
location
that
has
the
most
potential.
L
I
I
That's
what
happens
here
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
you
have
anything
or
any
of
the
four
of
you
have
anything
to
get
or
the
Senate
and
certainly
not
Senator
needs
I
I.
Don't
think
any
of
you
have
anything
against
Murray
State
or
the
the
communities
out
in
the
rural
Kentucky
areas,
but
Louisville
gets
the
attention.
Lexington
gets.
I
K
Go
ahead,
yes,
we're
we're
not
trying
to
take
away
from
anybody.
This
Center
is
more
than
just
the
curriculum
and
the
degree
programs,
but
it's
all
about
Education
and
Training,
which,
and
you
say,
UK
uofl
gets
all
the
attention,
but
UK
and
uofl
is
the
only
ones
with
a
research
center
that
can
bring
the
grants
in
and
that
it
needs
to
be
here
whether
we
would
like
to
have
it
somewhere
else
or
not.
K
D
Right,
I'll
just
add
sorry
made
I'll
just
add
if,
if,
if
this
program
doesn't
benefit
Eastern,
Kentucky,
Murray
State
and
the
other
CAE
institutions
and
the
institutions
that
are
not
CAE
but
ought
to
be,
then
we're
not
doing
our
job,
and
so
that
is,
and
we've
met
with
with
all
the
academic
institutions
across
the
state
to
understand.
How
could
this?
What
could
this
look
like?
What
what
type
of
partnership
could
this
be?
D
I'll
say
that
in
the
last
three
years,
we've
gotten
grants
from
NSA
Department
of
Defense
Department
of
Justice
and
a
lot
of
those
Department
of
Justice,
in
particular,
we've
partnered,
with
the
across
the
state
Owensboro
for
example,
because
we
need
to
train
people
there.
We
don't
need
to
train
people
in
in
Louisville,
necessarily
so
we've
gotten
about
15
million
dollars
in
research,
grants
that
are
geared
at
training
and,
and
so
we
need
to
be
able.
D
A
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
just
I'm
curious
how
you
all
feel
about
Western
Kentucky
University
in
the
hilltoppers
rhetorical
question
Colonel.
You
mentioned
six
accredited
sites
in
Kentucky
and
I
assume
those
are
our
regional
universities
like
that
you
mentioned
Cameron,
that's
one
of
them
who.
L
Are
the
Sixers?
Yes,
sir?
So
we
have
Owensboro
Community
College
in
Murray,
that's
in
the
in
the
west,
we
have
University
of
Louisville.
We
have
Northern
Kentucky
University
in
in
the
north.
We
have
the
great
Community
College
of
Bluegrass
Community
College
right
here
in
the
proud
city
of
Frankfort,
and
then
we
have
the
University
of
Cumberlands.
H
L
And
so
we
have
two
community
colleges
and
four
universities.
H
K
Had
the
Appropriations
last
year
and
it
got
lost
in
the
shuffle
of
the
last
few
minutes,
and
we
took
the
Appropriations
out
this
time
because
it's
not
a
budget
year
and
most
likely
there
will
be
a
request,
as
was
requested
last
year
for
our
Appropriations.
But
by
setting
this
up
now
and
with
like
the
money
that
came
into
Georgia
and
they
have
they
have
the
ability
to
set
their
their
fund
up.
I
hope
that
maybe
they
won't
even
ask
for.
H
K
Million
the
second
okay,
so
I
I
expected
that
to
be
as
far
in
next
year's,
also
minus
whatever
has
been
brought
in
in
the
meantime.
Yes,
I
do.
Okay,.
H
Well,
I'm
proud
to
see
that
the
community
college
system
is
involved
in
this
and
I
guess.
That's
the
little
dilemma
that
I
have
here
is:
if
we're
concentrating
resources
in
in
the
University
of
Louisville,
which
we
should
to
get
the
grants
from
from
federal
government.
But
we
want
to
develop
more
centers
for
training
of
personnel
shouldn't.
We
Western.
K
K
M
H
H
L
Let
me
let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
how
that
grants
so
when
the
grants
are
applied
for
just
as
they
are
right
now,
all
these
universities
partner
with
each
other
and
when
they
put
in
the
grant
request
right.
So
two
things
to
answer
your
your
question:
one
is,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
50
College
universities
in
the
state.
Only
six
are
accredited
okay,
we
want
as
many
as
are
willing
to
become
accredited
so
Moorhead
eastern
western
UK.
That's
part
of
this
plan
is
that
we
get
everybody
on
board.
L
Okay,
when
grants
are
applied
for
what?
What
what
happens
is
we
go
out
to
all
the
all
the
colleges
and
universities
and
ask
for
qualified
participants,
and
so
when
we
do
that,
we'll
have
community
colleges
we'll
have
universities
accredited
and
not
accredited
their
faculty,
their
students
who
are
participating
in
that
Grant
as
full
members
of
that
Grant
they
get
money.
So
it's
a
very
confederated
distributed
type
of
a
grant,
a
pro
approach.
It's
not
that
the
grant
comes
to
uofl
at
all
one
of
the
people
who's
in
that
Grant
proposal
it
could
be
Western.
L
Kentucky
will
have
the
lead
for
that
Grant.
So
this
this
cyber
security
Center
is
simply
a
facilitator
whose
mission
it
is
to
conclude
everybody
all
the
school
systems,
K-12
all
the
colleges
and
universities
of
Kentucky,
and
also
to
reach
out
in
the
region
to
have
a
very
inclusive
approach
to
how
can
we
best
spend
state
federal
industry
money
with
grants
and
scholarships
even
to
further
our
our
position
here
in
securing
the
Cyber
environment
so.
H
D
It
I
think
that's
right
and
I
would
just
say
that
the
NSA
grants,
for
example,
that
I
talked
about
in
Department
of
Defense
and
Department
of
Justice,
that
we've
got
already
have
been
in
partnership
with
Kentucky
institutions
and
other
institutions
across
the
state,
and
so,
and
that
has
been
training,
teachers
and
educators
at
K-12
level,
and
because
that
we
need
that
pipeline,
which
does
that
Community
College.
It's
also
K-12.
So
we
need
that
pipeline.
We've
been
doing
that
across
the
country
from
Seattle
Washington
and
to
New,
York,
City
and
all
the
way
down
to
Mississippi.
D
H
I
think
part
of
the
problem
is,
then
the
legislation
is
kind
of
too
narrow
in
scope,
because
this
is
a
huge
problem
and
I
would
hope
if
we
move
this
forward,
that
the
center
may
be
2024
session,
particularly
looking
at
some
type
of
appropriation,
we've
got
a
broader
base
bill
that
that
develops
a
plan
for
Kentucky
and
I
hope.
You
can
appreciate
that
our
concern
is
it
because
you've
mentioned
twice
as
a
regional?
Well,
it
shouldn't
be
Regional,
it
should
be
Commonwealth.
So
that's
my
concerns,
but
thank
you.
Mr
chair.
P
Yes,
gentlemen,
I'll
be
brief.
One
of
the
things
I
was
thinking,
as
you
were
talking
I'm,
also
from
Eastern
Kentucky,
so
we're
going
to
be
championing
wanting
to
have
as
much
of
this
stuff
as
we
can
get
there
and
there's
some
projects
in
the
work
actually
today
in
that
region.
But
I
can
understand
some
of
the
need
to
look
at
different
locations
due
to
us
taking
a
greater
level
at
scrutinizing.
P
Everything
I
think
we've
learned
some
lessons
here
in
the
last
little
bit
of
finding
out
some
of
our
stuff
through
the
chips
act
didn't
pass
the
mustard,
and
so
we
may
have
current
facilities
that
may
have
to
have
scrubbing
if
you
will
and
so
having
online
new
capabilities
that
we
can
guarantee
any
of
our
equipment
or
soldiers
in
the
field
or
whatever
we're
working
at
that.
This
new
site
is
100
percent,
free
of
any
problems
and
I'm
being
vague,
as
you
all
know
why.
P
But
so
there
could
be
a
what's
going
on
here
and
and
I
support
that,
because
that
means
that
we
will
be
putting
out
stuff
from
an
area
that
we
can
guarantee
as
secure,
and
that
means
that
our
men
and
women
in
uniform
and
equipment
and
everything
else
around
the
globe
is
much
safer.
For
so
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
P
I
was
curious
to
just
to
follow
up
I
like
the
tech
stuff
too,
like
Whitney
or
senator
just
Phil,
but
do
you
all
use
blockchain
security
and
your
stuff
there
to
prevent
interacting
with
other
agencies,
because
you
can't
be
Standalone
completely?
You
can
work
on
the
stuff
there.
When
you
come
out,
you
still
have
to
file
reports
and
I
wonder
if
once
we're
communicating
back
and
forth
what
we're
working
on
what
is
the
mechanism
you're
using
to
guarantee
those
transactions
are
secure.
K
Before
I
guess,
Colonel
probably
answered
that
or
the
Admiral,
but
I
want
to
say,
Senator
Smith
I
think
you
are
typical
of
why
certain
things
need
to
be
in
certain
places
like
you're,
big,
on
crypto
Mining,
and
we
needed
to
put
it
in
your
area
and
we
we
funded
that
and
helped
do
that,
and
it's
a
great
thing
and
you
had
the
foresight
to
see
into
the
future
we're
seeing
into
the
future
what
we
need
in
in
put
a
uofl,
it's
a
Kentucky
cyber
Center.
K
That
needs
to
be
there
for
certain
reasons:
the
research
facility
in
the
center,
where
you
know
the
airport
and
this
and
that
and
another
so
I,
think
you
indirectly
pointed
out
why
it
needs
to
be
at
a
certain
place.
So
I
hope
that
you'll
support
this
as
we
have
your
area
and
for.
N
L
Well,
I
I,
I'm
no
longer
with
NSA,
so
I
can't
really
comment
on
what
the
agency
does
with
blockchain
and
cryptocurrency
on
the
dark.
Web
I
did
give
a
talk
with
the
Secret
Service
and
the
Kentucky
cyber
crime
task
force
about
the
dark
web
I
have
software
at
my
home
that
I'm
on
the
dark
web.
P
Appreciate
that
and
just
to
follow
up
on
on
the
Senator's
comments,
you
know
I'm
from
Eastern
Kentucky,
but
I'm.
A
Kentuckian
I
have
a
lot
of
people
from
my
area
that
come
to
the
University
of
Louisville
and
they
have
their
degrees
on
their
wall
and
we
take
as
much
pride
and
my
mother
went
to
Murray,
so
I
think
that's
very
common
for
all
of
us
to
be
sort
of
spread
out
with
it.
So
I
I
don't
see
the
lines
of
demarcation
for
us
as
far
as
that.
P
M
P
K
And
I
want
to
give
accolades
to
the
University
of
Cumberlands,
who
started
a
fantastic
cyber
program
and
actually,
when
University
of
Louisville
was
looking
for
a
president,
I
was
wanting
to
steal
your
guy
to
come
to.
O
M
A
I
want
to
do
something
a
little
bit
different,
because
we've
got
some
members,
that's
going
to
leave.
We
need
to
vote
on
the
bill
and
I've
got
a
first
from
Center
Higdon
I'll
make
a
second
and
I
and
I
sent
her
Meredith
to
the
second
and
then
I've
I've
still
got
three
Senators.
That's
got
some
questions.
A
So
if
the
Senators
that
need
to
leave
at
10
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
do
this
bill
and
then
they
can
leave
and
get
their
vote
in
now.
I,
don't
think
the
three
questions
might
change
anything
I
think
some
of
them
are
like
me,
don't
forget
about
Somerset,
Community
College
or
you
know
something
of
that
nature.
So
anyway,
I've
got
first
and
I
got
a
second
and
I'm
going
to
call
let
this
the
follow
up.
A
Yeah
we
need
to,
and
then
you
can
then
we'll
stay
around
the
ones
that
won't
stay
around
at
that
they'll
stay.
And
then
we
can
ask
those
questions
because
they,
if
you
want
to
you,
can
but
once
we
we
won't
adjourn,
but
we
will
take
the
vote
all
right.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
this
is
an
awesome
awesome.
Addition
to
the
state
clearly
clearly
needed
and
I
will
say
a
rising
tide
raises
All
Ships,
so
thank
you.
I
vote.
Yes
I
would
also
like
to
be
recorded
as
a
yes
vote
on
Senate
Bill,
79
I
was
late
for
that
and
thank
you
very
much.
C
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
vote
I'm
going
to
vote
Yes,
but
I
would
like
to
explain
my
votes,
the
voice,
my
vote
in
just
a
very
short
comment.
One
I
see
the
necessity
to
this
I
don't
agree
about
the
quality
of
life
issues.
It's
my
concern
it
it's
clear
that
people
are
leaving
our
big
cities
and
looking
for
a
rural
quality
of
life.
My
daughter
granddaughter
does
go
to
the
University
of
Louisville.
I
know
that
this
money
is
coming
directly
low,
but
I
sure
wish
there
would
be
some
crumbs.
C
There
could
be
spread
out
around
some
of
the
other
universities,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
when
this
matter
comes
to
the
general
fund-
and
we
start
appropriating
general
fund
dollars,
then
we're
going
to
make
sure
there's
some
equity
in
the
funds
that
are
appropriate
by
the
general
funds
of
that's
going
to
be
my
vote.
Thank
you.
H
I'll
explain
my
vote.
Please
I'm
an
eye
and
again
just
want
to
get
back
to
the
original
conversation
earlier
conversation
about
this
needs
to
be
broader
in
scope.
It
truly
does
I
appreciate
y'all
bringing
this
to
our
attention,
but
I
would
like
to
see
in
2024
this
be
a
true
Commonwealth
initiative.
Oh,
this
is
a
serious,
serious
issue.
It's
it's
just
not
going
to
be
addressed
today,
so
I
just
encourage
us
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
P
Yes,
I
like
to
explain
my
vote:
I
love
the
technology
I
think
Kentucky
is
an
emerging
tax.
State
I
think
it's
undeniable
for
for
anybody.
That
really
follows
this
stuff.
I
think
we're
positioned.
It's
it's
needed.
It
was
needed
two
years
ago,
I'm
glad
to
see
you
all
doing
that
so
any
speed.
We
can
help
with
that.
So
I
vote,
I
and
I
want
to
be
put
down
as
voting
for
eye
on
also
Senate
bill.
79.
I
was
late
getting
to
the
committee
meeting
and
wanted
to
have
that
reflected.
I
Me
explain
my
vote.
Yes
I
vote
no,
but
not
because
it's
the
the
need
for
cyber
security,
education
and
spending
from
federal
and
state
governments,
not
necessary
I,
agree
and
everything
you
said
was
exactly
right
and
the
need
is
great
and
I
commend
the
senator
for
bringing
the
bill.
I.
Don't
oppose
the
concept
of
broadening
this,
but
Mr
Gardner
the
press
release
we're
in
you
name
all
the
people
that
you
partnered,
with
named
other
universities
from
Georgia
to
Florida,
to
Seattle
to
New
York
doesn't
mention
Murray
State
doesn't
mention
the
rest
of
the.
M
I
Universities
and
colleges
in
the
rural
parts
of
the
state
having
access
Colonel
to
to
things
that
Louisville
has
is
certainly
commendable.
Murray
State's
got
the
101st
Airborne
Division,
that's
probably
an
important
relationship
to
have,
and
probably
worth
investing
in
right
next
door.
So
I
I
just
regret
that
Murray's
left
out
and
I
agree
with
Senator
Boswell
I
hope
that
if,
if
general
fund
monies
go
out
the
door
to
help
this,
that
it
helps
everybody
not
just
the
University
of
Louisville.
Thank
you.
Q
I'd
like
to
explain
my
yes
vote.
I
spoke
with
NKU
College
of.
R
Informatics
they're
well
and
I
visited
them
and
they
were
on
board
with
them.
I
spoke
with
KSU
they're
excited
about
this,
because
one
thing
that
and
I
went
to
the
university
a
little
and
looked
at
the
Cyber
Center
there,
75
percent
of
their
students
take
their
courses
remotely
and
this
my
reasons
for
supporting
this
are
entirely
opposite
of
yours.
That
people
will
come
to
the
city.
My
reasons
are
because
people
will
be
able
to
move
out
to
the
rural
communities
and
still
have
well
into
six-figure
jobs
and
connect
to
them
securely.
R
I
have
two
sons
on
opposite
age
of
the
business.
Their
problem
is
retention,
okay,
one
of
them
recruited
from
Eastern
Kentucky,
and
his
first
question
are:
you
are:
are
you
willing
to
sit
in
a
room
all
day
and
stare
at
a
screen
instead
of
the
Scott,
and
he
was
but
he'd
like
to
go
out
after
that
and
go
the
other
one
he's
losing
he's.
Making
six
figures.
He
lives
in
a
rural
community
goes
to
a
regional
skiff
on
the
weekends
and
and
the
farmers
out.
There
can't
believe
how
he
does
what
he
does.
R
But
this
is
a
rural
initiative
and
the
way
you've
done
it.
The
uofl
we've
got
to
get
away
from
thinking
about
brick
and
mortar.
We
have
to
think
about
the
cloud
some
people
might
want
to
say
the
metaverse,
but
they
have
created
what
I
hope
the
money
goes
for
is
to
expand
the
cloud
so
that
people
not
only
all
over
Kentucky
but
all
over
the
US
and
can
take
advantage
of
this
program
and
when
I
spoke
to
the
department
chair
I,
was
fully
convinced
that
his
goal
is
to
spread
this
throughout
and
for
KSU.
R
They
they
can't
afford
to
bring
these
resources
into
there.
Just
like
many
of
our
community
colleges
can't,
but
with
the
cloud
that
they've
set
up
and
hopefully
will
expand,
these
kind
of
programs
can
be
done.
It's
not
a
brick
and
mortar
issue.
It's
a
and
I
also
have
an
MS
in
electrical
engineering,
none
of
which
had
to
do
with
real
electrical
engineering.
Almost
all
of
it
was
software.
R
I
was
a
member
of
a
research
University
database
Center
at
the
University
of
Florida,
and
you
have
to
be
a
PhD
level,
Research
Center,
to
be
able
to
get
these
kind
of
grants
in
here.
It's
absolutely
essential.
It's
a
money
maker
and
it
benefits
the
kids
who
can
work
on
it,
but
it
benefits
everybody
in
the
state.
So
I'm
voting
I,
because
my
universities
and
my
rural
community
are
looking
forward
to
getting
access
to
the
cloud
and
learning
everything
they
can
learn
about
how
this
works.
A
Aye
it
passes,
we
have
one
nay
and
we
oh
yeah.
We
need
a
motion.
A
second
for
title.
A
minute
got
a
motion
got
a
second
I'll,
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
any
opposed
carries,
carries
motion
pastors
favorable
expression,
y'all
hearing
a
background.
A
Anyway,
now
your
question
been
answered.
C
A
Oh
all
right,
so
you
you
got
everything,
answered
everybody
happy
and
want
to
go
along
hopping
and
singing
all
right.
Thank
you
all
and
you
all
y'all
got
this
bills
passed
in
spite
of
the
future
priest
or
was
at
work.
K
Are
you
going
to
ask
my
good
friend
of
Colonel,
who
grew
up
with
some
personal
questions,
I'd.