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obviously
no
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So
thanks
everyone
for
being
here
we're
calling
meeting
to
order.
Ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
Please.
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A
Here,
okay,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
these
first
two
bill
or
these
two
bills
that
we're
going
to
hear
today
are
or
some
that
I
filed
on
behalf
of
the
cabinet
and
for
environmental
protection,
and
so
I'm
just
gonna
do
them
from
here.
It's
okay
with
everyone.
A
The
first
bill
we're
going
to
hear
is
house
bill,
597
an
act
related
to
resources.
We
have
the
department
of
environmental
protection,
commissioner
tony
hatton
and
division
of
water
director
carrie
johnson,
who
are
going
to
be
speaking
for
us.
So,
gentlemen,
just
I
already
introduced
you,
but
for
the
record
please
introduce
yourself
and
the
floor.
Is
yours
appreciate
you
being
here
in
person?
It's
it's
nice
now
to
have
everyone.
You
know
testifying
in
person
and
so
good
morning,
mr
chairman,
make
sure
your
mic
is
on
and
it's
the
green
light.
The.
D
D
So
we
what
the
house
bill
597
is
it's
a
bill
that
proposes
to
make
amendments
to
krs-151
and
in
particular,
it's
speaking
to
the
necessities
for
high
and
moderate
hazard
dam
owners
to
develop
an
emergency
action
plan.
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
when
we
talk
about
high
hazard
wrist
dams,
that
we
don't
miscommunicate,
that
that
means
that
the
dam
is
a
physical
structure
is
in
some
significant
state
of
disrepair.
D
You
know
in
the
department
we
have
our
environmental
response
team
and
we
understand
the
necessity
to
have
a
plan
if
something
happens,
to
be
ready
to
respond
and
for
that
plan
to
be
known
at
several
levels,
including
the
state
and
local
government
and
people
who
live
around
these
types
of
facilities.
So
it's
a
it's
a
public
protection
things
as
much
as
anything
to
develop
a
plan.
D
D
Where
do
you
go,
and
what
do
you
do
to
to
seek
to
mitigate
the
situation
as
much
as
you
can
so
on
the
whole,
the
50
000
foot
view
that's
what
we're
seeking
to
do
here
now
there
are
numerous
private
down
owners
and,
to
you
know,
the
question
might
be
is
if
I'm
a
private
down
owner
what
additional
cost
and
responsibility
do.
I
accrue
as
a
result
of
this
and
how's
it
going
to
affect
me
in
that
regard.
D
What
the
agency
has
done
and
continues
to
do
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
primary
engineering
concern
that
would
arise
from
someone
having
to
do
an
eap.
The
agency
is
going
to
take
that
on
because
we
have
the
experts
to
do
that.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
is
that
those
particularly
technical
issues
that
might
be
problematic
for
someone
who
owns
a
dam?
D
Who
has
limited
resources,
we're
going
to
do
that
on
their
behalf
and
we're
going
to
assist
it's
it's
it's
in
our
best
interest
that
we
create
a
situation
that
improves
public
safety,
but
also
doesn't,
as
a
result,
result
in
non-compliance,
because
people
who
have
the
responsibility
can't
comply.
We're
also
going
to
be
holding
workshops
to
help
dam
owners
prepare
their
emergency
action
plan.
So
50
000
foot
view
that's
what
we're
seeking
to
do
with
this
bill,
and
we
appreciate
sir,
you
bring
it
before
the
committee.
A
Sure
we
have
motion
in
a
second
on
the
bill.
Why
do
you
have
a
couple
of
questions?
Let
me
say
that
not
all
are
very
large
ones.
There
could
be.
A
There
can
be
some
small
dams
that
around
subdivisions
or
whatever,
and
but
I
know
several
years
ago,
as
chair
of
the
committee
when
we
had
the
wolf
creek
situation,
where
they
actually
lowered
the
water
levels,
and
we
were
in
a
at
a
at
a
meeting
in
east
kentucky
and
the
cabinet
took
me
and
that
time
my
co-chair
senator
jensen.
I
think
it
was
and
we
we
toured
that-
and
you
know
had
that.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
I
heard
you
say
one
part
of
the
bill
talks
about
either
limiting
or
in
some
way
dealing
with
liability
issues,
and
I'm
usually
for
that.
I
want
to
find
that
balance
between
safety
for
the
public,
but
not
putting
people
who
are
trying
to
do
something
worthwhile
at
risk
frivolously.
Can
you
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
what
that
part
of
the
of
the
language
does.
D
Now
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
I
can
certainly
say
that
in
particular,
if
I
were
a
dam
owner
and
I
had
an
issue
and
I
had
no
plan,
I
had
no
plan
at
all
whatsoever
to
mitigate
the
problem.
Should
it
occur,
then
that
it
would
seem
to
me
that
would
put
me
in
a
much
more
precarious
situation
from
a
liability
standpoint
more
so
than
would
have.
If
I
had
an
approved
plan
by
the
cabinet,
even
with
information
provided
by
the
cabinet
such
as
inundation
zones,
how
deep
will
the
water
get?
D
E
So
if
I'm
hearing
right,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
hearing
what
you're
saying
is
that
it's
not
necessarily
providing
some
kind
of
legal
protections.
It's
more
along
the
lines
of
having
them
do
what
they
need
to
do
up
front
for
due
diligence,
so
that
there
is
a
plan
in
place
as
opposed
to
no
plan
whatsoever.
And
then
we
have
to
deal
with
a
major
issue
later.
Is.
A
Okay,
representative,
bridges.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Just
I
think
I
found
it
in
here,
but
when
you
talk
about
the
base
flood
in
the
flood
plain
and
everything
is
that
the
fed
the
hundred
year
floodplain,
that
stated
according
to
that's
recently,
been
updated.
H
C
I
What
about
places
where
these
that
are
close
enough
to
these
dams,
where
that
would
not
they
wouldn't
be
affected
normally,
but
in
case
of
them,
was
to
rupture,
it
would
come
up
suddenly
higher
than
that
or
are
they
going
to?
Does
it
affect,
or
is
it
any
kind
of
notification,
or
does
this
address
anything
in
that
area?.
H
Yes,
sir
good,
thank
you
representative
bridges.
What
what
I
think
it
does
is.
It
provides
a
tool
for
not
only
the
dam
owners
but
any
rappers
or
any
folks
that
would
be
represented
in
that
inundation
zone,
an
opportunity
to
to
know
and
realize
where
some
of
that
risk
resides,
and
it
also
engages
the
local
emergency
management
officials
through
their
regular
planning
committees
and
the
local
emergency
response
plans.
And
what
to
do
should
an
incident
happen
at
that
time?
So
it's
it's
a
risk
communication
tool
and
a
risk
mitigation
tool
as
well.
H
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
believe
it
speaks
and
about
changes
in
if,
if
someone
is
going
to
build
in
the
floodplain
as
far
as
filling
in
or
building
a
new
building,
what
are
how
are
the
requirements?
How
are
they
different
from
previous
statute
to
the
changes
in
this
statute?
What.
C
H
No
no
changes
whatsoever
and
the
intention
with
the
language
in
the
bill
is
to
clarify
what
those
federal
minimum
standards
are.
So
there
are
no
changes
from
any
of
the
regulatory
or
statutory
requirements
from
before
it's
a
clarification
and
alignment
with
federal
language.
C
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
second
representative
blanton's
motion
thank.
G
Just
have
a
quick
question
is
size
limitations
on
these
dams
because
you
know
when
traveling
I
see
a
lot
of
in
especially
eastern
kentucky.
You
know
there's
dams,
some
of
them
are
from
mining,
some
of
them
for
cattle.
G
H
The
regulatory
size
limitations
for
a
dam
are
25
feet,
measured
from
the
toe
of
the
dam
to
the
top
of
the
dam
or
an
impounding
area.
So
basically
the
area
behind
the
dam,
the
reservoir
50
acre
feet
or
more
so,
basically,
what
that
would
equate
to
is
a
foot
of
water,
50
acres
in
size
or
if
the
water's,
you
know
deeper.
Of
course,
the
pond
or
reservoir
could
be
smaller,
but
yes,
ma'am,
the
the
regulatory
standard
size
for
dams
is
outlined.
A
J
Thank
you
chairman,
so
because
I'm
in
jefferson
county,
this
is
not
a
conversation
that
we
have
often
so
can
you
tell
me
if
there
are
two
or
three
damn
locations
that
you're
looking
at
in
particular
that
people
viewing
might
get
a
better
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about
right
now.
H
A
shade
under
400
total
of
both
about
200
each
and
that's
generally
speaking,
about
a
thousand
dams
total
across
the
commonwealth.
The
bulk
of
those
are
what
we
call
low
hazard
dams,
which
pose
low
risk
to
health,
human
health
or
infrastructure,
but
high
and
significant
hazard
dams
around
400,
total
and
representative
scott.
H
So
that's
just
an
example
of
one
of
the
mitigation
activities
that
we
accomplished
through
our
programs.
We
also
have
capital
construction
projects,
as
commissioner
hatton
mentioned,
that
we're
performing
such
as
bullock
pen,
lake
dam,
which
is
the
largest
capital
project
that
the
cabinet
has
undertaken,
at
least
from
the
dep
side.
J
A
I
think
I
saw
where
you
I
know
you
showed
me
one
like
my
district.
Can
you
get
that
for
each
committee
members
not,
but
that
many
of
us
to
show
what
how
has
their
dams
or
or
those
could
be
in
their
district?
Yes,
absolutely
we
will
sorry.
Thank
you.
I
represent
kurt
mccormick
and.
G
When
you
refer
to
the
wolf
creek
dam,
is
that
the
same
as
the
peter
peter
cave
dam?
I
recently
toured
that
and
it's
pretty
pretty
large
and
do
you
know
the
quality
of
the
water.
That's
in
that
dam.
H
G
It's
a
beautiful
dam
and
it's
you
know
the
water
looks
pristine,
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
might
know
the
quality
of
the
water
and
there's
a
lot
of
homes
that
you
know,
I'm
sure
that
would
be
dire
straits.
If
that
should
something
should
happen
to
that.
So,
yes,.
H
G
C
H
C
C
A
Yes,
the
bill
does
pass
with
favorable
expression
that
sam
should
pass
so
the
gentleman.
Thank
you
very
much
yes,
sir.
Thank.
H
A
A
Item
is
house
bill
600
also
one
of
my
bills
and
testifying
today
is
the
department
for
national
resources.
Commissioner
gordon
stone
thank.
A
F
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
gordon
sloan,
commissioner,
for
the
department
for
natural
resources.
I'm
here
about
house
bill
600,
which
is
to
amend
krs
350.506,
which
has
to
do
with
the
kentucky
reclamation
guarantee
fund
in
2014.
F
The
reclamation
guarantee
fund
was
created
by
the
legislature
to
do
just
that
thing
for
coal
mining.
Perhaps
so
it
guarantees
the
reclamation
of
permits
to
oversee
the
money.
We
have
created
a
commission
three
members
of
that
seven
member
commission
are
drawn
from
the
coal
industry
and
they're
drawn
by
size.
One
you
know
one,
commissioner,
is
represents
less
a
company
that
mines
and
sells
less
than
1
million
tons
in
the
preceding
12
months.
F
Then
there's
a
commissioner
who
represents
those
companies
that
mine
1
million
to
5
million
and
a
third
member
who
represents
companies
that
mine
over
5
million,
tons
and
sell
it
in
a
year.
So
with
the
lately
with
the
coal
industry
being
in
a
downturn,
we
have
not
been
able
to
find
representatives
of
that
largest
section,
which
is
more
than
5
million
tons
mined
in
a
year
and
we're
actually
finding
very
few
even
that
middle
tier.
J
F
Is
there's
a
total
of
seven
okay?
One
is
the
the
chair
of
the
commission
is
the
secretary
of
the
energy
and
environment
cabinet.
Then
there
are
two
members
who
are
drawn
from
the
insurance
and
backing
in
this
banking
industry
who
have
knowledge
of
the
coal
industry,
and
the
third
is
a
certified
public
accountant.
C
C
A
Yes,
that's
the
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression
and
same
surpass.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
representative
stevenson.
Would
would
you
want
to
vote
on
the
cast
to
vote
on
the
first
bill?
It's
strictly
up
to
you.