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A
Here,
seeing
that
we
have
a
quorum
and
we're
authorized
to
do
business,
I
call
house
bill
290
up
our
only
bill
on
the
agenda
and
act
relating
to
student
discipline
and
public
post-secondary
education
institutions
sponsored
by
our
friend
representative
ken
banta.
If
you
don't
mind,
introduce
yourselves
or
have
your
guests
introduce
themselves
for
the
record,
and
you
have
the
floor
representative.
C
C
C
The
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
establish
a
minimum
procedural
requirement
for
post
secondary
discipline
proceedings
to
better
protect
students,
educational
interests.
The
impact
is
basic,
due
process
rights
victim
due
process
rights,
robust
due
process
for
suspensions
three
days
or
more
or
expulsion
or
termination
of
a
student's
residence
in
campus
housing.
C
Also
interesting,
just
is
the
student
discipline
report
so
that
we
can
track
and
know
who's
getting
expelled
who's
getting
suspended.
Just
good
data
to
have
the
student
discipline
report
must
also
include
the
number
and
percentage
of
disciplinary
hearings
that
resulted
in
various
student
outcomes.
We
did
in
working
with
the
universities,
move
it
from
every
three
years
to
every
four
years,
and
we
did
that
because
we
wanted
it
to
be
a
little
bit
more
anonymous.
C
I
thought
they
made
it
a
good
point
that
it
needed
to
be
a
little
bit
more
anonymous.
We
also
moved
some
dates
for
them
had
to
check
with
the
ag
make
sure
it
was
okay
on
reporting
dates,
but
we
moved
those
so
that
those
would
be
helpful
truthfully
this.
This
version
of
the
bill
doesn't
look
a
lot
like
it
did
in
the
beginning,
because
I
have
met
with
all
the
universities
and
we
did
everything
except
got
got
the
bill,
essentially
so
with
that.
C
It's
basic
due
rights,
presumption
of
innocence,
written
notice
of
charges,
access
to
complete
record
on
the
matter
to
be
present
and
participate
meaningfully
in
the
process
to
be
represented
by
counsel
at
the
expense
of
the
student
at
all
phases
of
the
process
and
fair
and
impartial
treatment,
including
the
right
to
an
impartial
hearing.
Adjudicator
I'm
going
to
stop,
and
would
you
like
to
hear
from
the
students
if
they've
got
if.
C
E
E
E
My
great-grandmother
and
grandfather
and
my
mom's
side
were
immigrants
from
mexico.
They
made
a
life
for
themselves
in
the
coal
mines
of
the
appalachian
mountains,
no
matter
how
hard
they
worked.
They
never
broke
through
to
a
higher
class,
neither
was
very
educated,
but
they
believed
wholeheartedly
in
an
education
for
my
grandfather,
he
attended
west
virginia
tech.
As
a
member
of
the
rotc
to
pay
for
his
school,
he
led
a
successful
career
in
the
united
states
air
force
and
achieved
the
rank
of
lieutenant
colonel
luis
hernandez.
E
E
My
dad
a
graduate
of
westchester
university
in
philadelphia.
He
and
his
brother,
the
first
two
college
graduates
in
their
family.
He
worked
for
many
years
putting
more
year
more
money
yearly
into
college
funds
for
both
my
brother
and
I
on
both
sides
of
my
family.
You
have
immigrants
that
were
uneducated
and
impoverished,
working
to
allow
their
children
to
become
educated.
E
They
were
sacrificing.
My
grandfather
lou
tells
me
stories
of
his
mom
coming
up
with
maze
of
making
and
saving
money,
selling,
tortilla
and
beans
to
coal
miners
on
their
lunch
break,
seldom
throwing
out
paper
towels
because
she
believed
they
could
be
used
again,
not
eating
herself
so
that
her
children
could
eat.
E
These
are
the
stories
of
my
family,
but
I'm
not
the
only
one
who
has
these
stories.
At
my
university,
the
university
of
louisville,
the
average
tuition
for
eight
semesters
of
school
is
seven
thousand
three
hundred
and
ninety
two
dollars.
That
is
almost
three
entire
years
of
salary.
For
someone
making
the
thirty
six
thousand
dollars,
that
is
the
average
in
the
united
states.
E
Many
families
go
into
excessive
amounts
of
debt
to
do
it.
They
do
this,
because
a
college
education
means
more
than
the
piece
of
paper
you
get
when
you
graduate.
It
means
a
path
forward,
a
path
to
a
better
life.
For
so
many,
this
pathway
should
not
be
taken
away
in
an
instant.
It
needs
to
be
protected
and
house
bill.
290
gives
us
a
way
to
do
just
that.
E
We're
not
here
asking
for
a
right
to
college
education,
we're
here
asking
for
the
right
to
protect
our
education
once
tuition
has
been
paid
in
full,
I'm
here
today,
because
my
great
grandparents,
because
my
grandfathers,
lou
and
willie
my
grandmother,
kathleen
I'm
here
today
because
of
my
mom
trish
and
my
dad
patrick
their
stories
their
work,
their
sacrifice
for
my
future
should
be
protected.
Thank
you.
D
I'd
first
like
to
say
thank
you
to
chairman
massey
and
all
the
members
of
the
judiciary
committee
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today
on
this
matter.
Hi.
My
name
is
julia
mattingly,
I'm
a
junior
studying
rural
health
at
the
university
of
louisville,
where
I
serve
as
speaker
of
the
sga
senate
and
president
of
the
university
young
democrats,
I'm
here
to
speak
today
in
support
of
house
bill
290..
D
A
representative
from
the
dean
of
students
informed
me
that
I
could
file
a
formal
complaint
and
receive
a
conduct
hearing.
However,
they
told
me
I
would
have
to
act
as
my
own
attorney
by
collecting
affidavits
from
all
those
involved
and
preparing
an
oral
argument
to
be
presented
to
the
board
as
an
undergraduate
rural
health.
Major
who
has
absolutely
no
legal
experience.
D
D
A
F
Thank
you.
My
question
is
your
experience
at
uofl
did.
Did
the
university
have
their
council
present
in
that
case,.
F
It
doesn't
require
them
to
have
council
correct
but
correct
it's
the
opportunity
for
council,
so
I
would
suspect
there
will
be
many
cases
where
there'll
be
disciplinary
hearings
where
they
choose
not
to
be
represented
by
council.
I
would
assume,
is
that.
G
G
Help
me
understand
the
background
on
this
on
on
why
we
are
here
today,
with
this
bill,
have
there
been
increased
numbers
of
processes
that
didn't
work
correctly
or
why
the
urgency,
when
we
haven't
had
these
these
restrictions
or
these
parameters
in
in
past
years,.
C
Thank
you
for
that
question
when
you
say
urgency
I
kind
of
have
to
chuckle,
because
I've
been
doing
this
for
three
years.
I
mean
the
house
sees
me,
walk
in
and
they're
like
rolling
their
eyes
like
here
she
comes
again.
She
won't
quit
what
I
did
before.
I
took
this
bill
over
representative
bratcher
had
it
first
and
he
was
just
overloaded
and
he
said
three
years
ago
he
said
hey.
Can
you
take
this
over
for
me,
and
I
said
I'm
gonna
have
to
research
it.
C
So
I
started
trying
to
get
information
about
how
many
suspensions,
how
many
expulsions,
how
many
hearings
and
without
naming
any
universities,
I
found
that
some
were
having
over
a
thousand
hearings
a
year,
and
I
was
hearing
outcomes
from
students
that
were
not
favorable.
They
felt
like
it
was
a
david
and
goliath
thing
that
you
know
they
would
go
into
a
room
and
they
had
their
judge,
jury
and
executioner
right
there,
and
that
was
going
to
make
the
decision
about
their
entire
educational
career
right.
C
I
know
that
you
know,
even
if
I
have
three
grown
children
and
I
would
have
never
allowed
them
to
do
anything
without
an
attorney,
and
I
just
think
that
by
putting
the
provisions
in
there
and
securing
that
the
kids
understand
the
process,
it's
not
just
going
into
a
room
and
getting
getting
the
edict.
You
actually
have.
They
know
the
process,
they
know
they
can
have
somebody
with
them
if
they
want-
and
I
just
think
it
would
be
a
lot
calmer
for
them
and
equitable.
A
H
Appreciate
that,
because
we
we
do
seem
to
have
time
today,
sir,
could
you
give
me
an
example
of
how
this
would
apply
to
you?
I
mean
I
heard
a
lot
about
your
family
and
but
give
me
something
solid,
something
you
know.
Thank
you.
E
Absolutely
so
I
am
in
a
fraternity
at
the
university
of
louisville,
the
sigma
alpha
epsilon
fraternity.
Last
year
during
the
covid
protocols,
we
were
suspended,
interimly
and
threatened
to
be
expelled
from
the
university
for
violating
pivot
protocols.
There
was
zero
evidence
against
us
when
we
actually
ended
up
having
our
hearing.
We
beat
the
suspension,
but
the
university
of
louisville
dragged
out
the
disciplinary
hearing
for
an
entire
semester.
E
E
The
fact
that
we
were
not
able
to
recruit
a
new
new
member
class
right,
we
were
not
able
to
hold
on
campus
events.
We
were
not
able
to
hold
meetings
everything
that
a
fraternity
is
set
to
do
to
build
brotherhood
connections.
We
were
not
able
to
do
at
the
university
of
louisville.
A
Any
other
questions
I'll
note
I
didn't:
have
anybody
sign
up
to
speak
for
or
against
the
bill?
President
cyrus
last
question.
I
I
appreciate
this
and
the
discussion
because
I've
had
several
parents
call
me,
and
I
know
some
I
think,
how
many
years
ago,
1984
that's
a
long
time
ago.
30
some
years
ago,
academic
ombudsmen
called
in
like
30
people
to
ask
questions
about
was
something
said
during
the
test.
I
wasn't
the
target,
but
there
was
somebody
else
who
was
it
was
like.
Well,
we
didn't
know
what
was
going
on
then,
because
they
wanted
to
know
if
there
was
some
type
of
cheating
scandal.
I
I
don't
know
whatever
happened,
because
I
wasn't
involved.
They
questioned
if
I
might
have
seen
something
I
didn't
didn't
know
anything
about
it.
But
if
I
had
been
at
risk
of
being
expelled
expelled,
I
probably
would
have
called
my
dad
or
my
brother
and
asked
for
counsel,
but
in
these
situations,
were
you
all
at
risk
of
losing
your
access
to
the
university.
E
So
I
can
say
that,
with
my
specific
situation,
I
was
not
at
risk
of
losing
access
to
the
university
right,
but
there
are
so
many
stories
of
other
students
that
are.
We
have
a
student
at
uk
who
ran
their
young
americans
for
freedom
chapter
who,
three
months
after
a
disciplinary
hearing
was
held,
that
he
was
not
told
about,
was
told
that
he
could
not
register
for
his
last
semester
senior
year
classes
and
he
had
no
clue
that
he,
the
discipline,
was
being
brought
against
him.
There's.
E
Yes,
there
are
stories
like
this
across
the
commonwealth
right,
but
it's
it's
hard
to
get
students
to
stand
up
against
their
universities
and
come
here
and
speak.
There
are
tons
and
tons
and
tons
of
cases.
I
had
a
friend
in
my
fraternity
who
was
put
on
academic
probation,
meaning
that
anything
that
he
could
did
could
have
led
to
then
into
suspension
or
expulsion.
E
E
There
are
tons
of
these
cases
across
the
commonwealth
and
what
really
what
we
have
is
we
have
a
government
institution
reigning
supreme
over
students
who
pay.
You
know,
presidents,
divers
you're,
an
attorney.
You
don't
have
a
right
to
be
an
attorney,
but
once
you
become
a
member
of
the
bar
association,
you
have
certain
rights.
As
a
member
of
the
bar
association,
none
of
us
have
a
right
to
be
college
students,
but
we
should
have
rights
to
fight
to
stay
as
college
students.
D
Yes,
he
was
a
long
story
story.
He
was
trying
to
justify
his
harassment
by
some
things
that
I
had
done,
and
so
he
was
making
claims
against
me.
I
was
making
claims
against
him,
although
there
was
far
more
evidence
against
him,
but
yeah.
I'm
sure
we
both
would
have
appreciated
right
to
counsel
in
that
situation.
A
A
No
one's
signing
they're
here.
H
I'm
going
to
vote
no
and
would
like
to
thank
both
of
you
very,
very
much
all
three
of
you
for
coming
forward
here.
You
know,
I
am
I'm
an
instructor,
you
know
at
the
university
of
louisville
and
nobody
from
any
of
the
colleges
have
come
forward
to
me
and
said
this
is
something
we
need
and,
in
my
experience
with
with
my
medical
students
in
residence,
I've
never
once
in
my
40
years
of
of
working,
there
been
been
told
by
any
of
my
students
that
they
feel
this
is
an
issue.
H
So
I
really
I
appreciate
everything
you
all
are
doing.
I
can
understand
your
perspective.
I
think
I'm
just
a
little
too
conservative
for
this
bill.
So
thank
you.
G
A
J
Thank
you
when
I
initially
saw
the
bill
and
I've
seen
it
in
past
years.
I
know
you've
been
working
on
for
a
while
representative.
I
was
really
didn't
think
it
was
something
I
would
support,
but
I've
changed
my
mind.
I
think,
when
you
start
writing
those
tuition
checks
it.
J
It
changes
your
perspective
on
it
a
little
bit
and
also
the
other
thing
that
changed
my
perspective
on
it
over
time
is
the
fact
that
it
just
seems
to
me-
and
I
may
be
wrong,
but
universities
have
us
also
have
a
political
agenda
sometimes
and
if
you're,
not
in
step
with
that
political
agenda
you're
in
trouble.
So
I
appreciate
you
for
bringing
this
forward
and
it
just
seems
like
there
with
the
so
much
money
involved.
There
should
be
some
at
least
minimum
due
process
to
a
student.
A
F
I
really
appreciate
this
bill
being
brought,
I'm
apologizing
to
the
kids
of
the
state
for
not
finding
out
sooner
that
there
was
no
due
process
rights
out
there.
I
would
have
filed
it
and
joined
with
you
when
I
first
got
here,
because
I
bet,
if
you
check
with
every
university
they'll,
have
some
set
of
standard
rules.
They
call
them,
but
we
don't
have
anything
standard
for
every
child
in
the
state
of
kentucky
going
to
college.
I
think
this
is
the
best
bill,
I'm
so
plowed
proud
to
vote.
Yes,
sorry,
I
didn't
jump
in
sooner.
G
Mr
chairman
explain
my
vote.
Yes,
sir,
I
joined
with
my
colleague
senator
from
harlan.
I
think
this
is
a
good
bill.
You
know
as
a
legal
practitioner.
I
think
that
you
know
sometimes
these
these
allegations
on
campus
could
potentially
lead
to
other
legal
ramifications
and,
as
a
practicing
attorney,
I
think
it's
very
important
that
everyone
be
informed.
G
I
mean
I
went
to
college
once
and
you
know
sometimes
you
know
things
can
can
happen
and
and
it's
important
that
everyone
knows
their
rights
and-
and
I
guess
to
speak
to
the
young
man's
position,
I
mean
he
did
suffer
a
punishment
through
his
organization
in
that
he
was.
His
organization
was
suspended
from
their
activities,
even
though
there
was
no
final
adjudication
made.
So
I
mean,
although
he
you
know,
was
not
necessarily
kicked
off
campus
or
anything.
G
He
clearly
suffered
a
an
adverse
action
on
the
part
of
the
university
through
his
organization.
So
I
think
that
having
an
attorney
that
knows
the
process
and
has
the
ability
to
to
take
appropriate
action
to
mitigate
any
actions
by
university
and
in
response
to
a
disciplinary,
very
important.
So
I'm
proudly
cast-
and
I
vote.