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There
have
been
many
many
changes
that
have
gone
on
since
that
time
and
I'm
not
going
into
all
of
those.
That's
not
why
I'm
here,
but
they've
been
in
a
positive
positive
direction,
and
this
has
actually
been
mirrored
in
many
other
states,
as
they
have
changed
how
they
are
addressing
this
particular
issue.
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D
D
D
We
choose
march
27
because,
frankly,
the
resolution
we
want
it
to
be
a
thoughtful
approach
to
expiring
the
state
of
emergency,
that's
being
considered,
so
the
executive
branch
of
our
government
and
the
executive
agencies
will
have
time
to
determine
if
they
need
to
file
any
administrative
regulations
based
on
their
existing
authority
statutory
authority
rather
than
us
as
a
legislative
body
continuing
to
mandate
things
through
legislative
action.
We
don't
want
to
keep
doing
that.
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D
B
B
A
I
actually
had
a
question,
but
you
didn't
see
me.
Oh
sorry,
so
I'm
gonna
just
vote
no
and
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
Senator
mcdaniel,
senator
mcgarvey
senator
nemes.
C
B
F
I'm
going
to
vote,
yes,
I'm
a
co-sponsor
of
this
resolution
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
the
people
that
are
supporting
this
right
now.
It
needs
to
be
done.
It
need
to
be
done
a
long
time
ago
and
I
supported
a
number
of
other
efforts
previously
and
that
were
unsuccessful
and
we're
finally
getting
there.
F
We
promised
two
years
ago
before
I
was
even
elected
to
this
body
that
this
was
coming
the
following
year
last
year
and
I
filed
a
bill
to
accomplish
that
goal
after
I
didn't
see
happening
and
it
didn't
happen,
and
then
I
think
we
claimed
it
was
going
to
happen
last
year
later
and
it
didn't
in
any
way.
I
fully
expected
this
year
was
going
to
happen
before
now
and
it
didn't
but
we're.
Finally,
here
and
kentucky
is
now
going
to
be
behind.
F
I
think
washington,
state
seattle
area,
new
york,
california,
a
number
of
other
states
that
should
have
been
behind
us.
I
just
want
to
take
this
moment,
of
course,
I'm
fully
supportive
of
this
effort,
but
I
want
us
all
to
remember
at
some
point:
kentucky
needs
to
start
being
the
leader
and
not
always
wait
for
everybody
else.
First,
thank
you.
Senator.
A
F
C
C
B
B
If
he
and
his
group
will
come
up
to
the
podium
or
to
the
desk,
you
can
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
the
folks
that
are
with
you.
If
you
could
have
them
introduce
themselves.
G
H
G
Is
before
us?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
you
know,
the
there
was
a
task
force
this
summer
on
modernizing
a
clerk's
offices
across
the
commonwealth.
G
There's
a
lot
of
hard
work
that
went
into
a
lot
of
people,
a
lot
of
input
from
a
lot
of
affected
groups,
the
clerks
groups,
the
fiscal
courts,
the
bankers,
associations,
the
realtors
car
dealers,
everybody
was
involved
and
we
hammered
out
a
pretty
good
product.
We
decided
to
split
the
effort
up
into
two
bills.
This
is
the
land
title
bill.
There's
a
car
title
bill
that
is,
has
started
in
the
house
and
is
now
over
to
us.
G
It's
a
house
bill
284
and
a
couple
of
people
that
are
here
with
us
today
took
the
lead
on
a
lot
of
this.
There
was
a
lot
a
lot
of
good
input,
a
lot
of
good
work
in
the
committee.
I
know,
senator
wheeler
was
a
member
of
that
committee
and
also
randall
roof
on
our
staff
did
an
excellent
job
of
keeping
up
with
all
of
this
and
putting
all
this
together
and
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
our
appreciation
for
him.
Keeping
up
with
this
and
doing
everything
that
he
did
for
this.
G
Basically,
in
a
nutshell,
this
bill
goes
and
brings
our
clerk's
offices
into
the
21st
century
and
then
on
it
getting
us
more
mainline
with
being
able
to
file
things
online.
Being
look
at
records
online
being
able
to
do
some
of
the
things
that
we
do
in
our
circuit
court
system
now,
as
far
as
online
filings
there's
a
lot
of
details
in
this
bill
that
I
can
go
into
if
you
need,
but
right
now.
H
H
It
was
really
important
to
to
the
chairman
to
hear
out
all
of
the
affected
parties,
not
only
in
the
realm
of
land
records,
but
also,
as
senator
howe
alluded
to
in
the
motor
vehicle
world
as
well.
The
county
clerks
and
I
appreciate
their
willingness
to
take
into
account
our
perspective
and
afford
us
the
opportunity
to
participate.
H
In
the
summer,
the
county,
clerk's
association
conducted
a
survey
and
surveyed
all
120
county
clerks,
105
responded
and
at
the
time
95
of
the
counties
reported
having
an
online
portal.
That's
the
first
step
of
this
bill
of
modernization
is
to
have
a
portal
where
title
searchers,
attorneys
and
the
public
will
be
able
to
go
in
and
see
deeds
and
mortgages
and
other
relevant
items
online.
H
As
you
can
imagine,
that's
going
to
take
some
work
and
effort
amongst
the
clerks.
It's
not
something
that
we
are
opposed
to
in
any
way.
We
want
to
ensure
that
these
records
are
available
for
generations
to
come.
It
not
only
affects
the
office
in
in
the
regard
of
having
vital
information
available
for
the
public,
but
also
historical
information
for
generations.
After
us,
one
of
the
things
that
was
really
important
to
the
clerks
was
making
sure
that
the
kentucky
department
of
library
and
archives
grant
program
continues
and
that
we
have
a
foundation
in
that
process.
H
The
legislation
does
clarify
that
the
ten
dollars
enacted
in
legislation
a
few
years
ago
for
the
10
recording
storage
fee
can
only
be
used
for
that
purpose.
That
was
very
important
to
the
members
of
the
modernization
task
force
to
ensure
that
that
money
was
not
used
for
other
purposes
in
county
government
that
it
would
be
solely
the
purpose
of
ensuring
that
these
records
are
recorded
and
available.
C
C
So,
as
you
know,
I
represent
many
counties
that
have
extremely
small
populations
of
very
small
clerks
offices
that
may
or
may
not
have
a
lot
of
traffic
and
which,
which
clearly
the
traffic
is
directly
commensurate
to
the
fees
which
enables
you
to
provide.
Some
of
these
services
are
the
smaller
clerks
that
you
have
spoken
with
within
your
organization.
Are
they
satisfied
with
this
legislation?
Do
they
feel
that
it
will
adequately
meet
their
needs
in
order
to
modernize,
while
at
the
same
time,
being
fiscally
responsible
and
having
adequate
resources
in
their
office?
Sure.
H
Great
question:
I
too
am
one
of
those
small
counties,
so
I
can
understand-
and
you
know
the
copy
fees
that
we
have
seen
over
the
years,
especially
during
covid
went
down.
But
what
we
have
been
able
to
see
is
that
the
10
document
storage
fee,
when
being
appropriated
correctly,
will
help
maintain
that
the
other
piece
of
the
puzzle
is.
H
We
have
filled
out
a
senate
intake
form
for
some
appropriation
through
the
budget
to
ensure
that
we
can
meet
the
requirements
of
this
bill,
and
that's
really
important
to
understand
is
that
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
work
in
back
scanning
and
and
back
indexing
with
our
vendors
to
ensure
that
we
have
those
records
available
when
it
comes
to
copy
fees.
That's
something
that
we're
already
seeing
on
the
decline.
We
have
people
who
are
accessing
these
records.
What
we
do
have
available
already
online.
H
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
commend
you
all
for
the
work
on
this.
I
know
I've
heard
from
my
county
clerks
on
the
importance
of
this
legislation.
It
really
is
kind
of
modernizing
some
of
these
efforts
and
bringing
this
along
and
I'm
particularly
encouraged,
except
the
sub
and
some
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made.
Mr
chairman,
if
it's
appropriate
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
on
the
bill.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
saw
in
the
committee
sub
a
change
and
it's
on
page
three
of
the
committee
sub
and
we
kind
of
added
more
language
to
the
paragraph
number
four,
and
then
we
added
a
paragraph
here
on
number
five,
and
it
says
a
county
clerk
may
redact
social
security
numbers
and
other
personal
information
wanting
to
know,
because
I
know
our
open
records
act
requires
social
security
numbers
to
be
redacted.
H
There's
a
document
that
we
record
in
our
office:
it's
a
military
document,
it's
called
a
dd214.
That's
why
that's
in
place.
So
the
dd214s
are
not
open
to
public
record,
but
when
we
do
release
those
to
families
as
loved
ones
have
passed
away
and
the
funeral
home
has
to
have
those.
That
is
something
that
we
may
redact.
F
F
H
No,
but
that's
an
example
of
when
we
would
not
redact
one
if,
if
it
was
needed
to
prove.
H
The
electronic
copies
of
recorded
instruments
would
also
be
you
know:
there's
there's
recorded
instruments
that
go
back
60
years
that
have
socials.
So
all
of
the
state
and
federal
liens
have
social
security
numbers
on
them
back
from
some
time
ago.
As
we're
scanning
in
these
documents,
that's
not
something
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
be
out
there,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
there
is
a
document
that
requires
the
social
to
be
proven
like
releasing
a
lien,
the
title
searchers
are
going
to
need
that
information.
G
Part
of
this,
this
was
a
lot
of
work
that
was
done
with
collaborative
efforts
with
a
lot
of
people.
We
thought
that
this
was
the
best
way
to
go
and
comply
with
the
privacy
laws
in
the
protecting
of
personal
information
by
still
allowing
it
to
be
disclosed
when
it
needed
to
be,
but
keeping
that
information
safe
from
online
searching.
F
Mr
chairman,
I
I
do
think
the
word
may
is
always
permissive
in
the
law,
and
so
it
doesn't
clarify
here
when
they
shall,
and
it
seems
like
shall
need
to
be
default,
may
would
be
the
exception
rather
than
the
other
way
around.
Thank
you.
B
A
F
Vote,
mr
chairman,
yes,
you
may,
mr
chairman,
I
came
here
because
I
was
planning
to
vote
yes
on
this,
but
I'm
actually
going
to
record
a
pass
vote
because
I,
I
think
that
having
unclarity
on
whether
social
security
numbers
are
posted
online
is
not
something
we
want
in
our
law.
Certainly,
I
don't
think
that
a
good
clerk
which
I
have
one
of
those
is
going
to
let
that
kind
of
stuff
happen,
but
at
the
same
time
we
need
it.
F
A
E
E
B
I
vote
I
and
senate
bill
135
passes
with
favorable
expression,
nine
two
to
one
pass
vote
and
we
also
have
a
title
amendment.
If
we
can
adopt
that
we
have
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
title
amendment
is
adopted.
Thank
you
senator
howe.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
committee.
Thank
you
so
much.
Our
final
item
before
us
today
is
an
item
brought
to
us
by
senator
nemus.
C
C
So
I
have
mr
thomas
on
here
just
in
case
I
don't
explain
it
properly
or
you
have
some
questions
that
I
can't
answer,
but
this
is
a
real,
easy
reorganization
of
the
finance
cabinet.
Just
one
portion
the
division
of
fleet
management.
They
want
to
move
from
the
office
of
administrative
services
to
directly
be
under
the
secretary
of
finance.
B
F
Gonna
vote.
Yes,
thank
you
for
bringing
this.
I
look
forward
to
getting
some
improvements
in
this
office
and
I
just
wanted
to
register
an
interest
in
looking
at
a
re
getting
fleet
cars
from
our
georgetown
toyota
plant.
That's
something
I
would
like
to
see.
I
I
drove
enough
of
these
cars
that
I
was
concerned
about
at
100
000
miles
in
a
camry.
I
would
not
have
been
concerned
about.
Thank
you.
Senator.