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A
D
A
E
Mr
chairman
and
colleagues,
thank
you
all
for
taking
time
to.
Let
me
hear
this
bill.
This
bill
is
a
very
simple
bill
and
what
it
does
is
it
allows
you
as
a
homeowner,
if
you're
into
one
of
these
historic
districts,
and
you
decide
to
go
in
and
and
not
renovate
but
restore,
there's
a
big
difference
in
renovation
restoration.
So
you
restore
it
and
get
your
place
all
ready
to
go
inside.
You
want
to
paint
it
that
you
can
paint
it
a
color.
E
E
It
is
stunning,
and
I
tried
to
keep
my
face
serious
when
I
was
presenting
the
bill.
In
most
cases,
you
don't
have
any
problem,
but
there
are
that
exception,
where
you
have
one
person
that
has
some
power
over
something
and
they
decide
to
sort
of
abuse.
It
we've
all
bumped
into
that.
This
just
clears
it
up,
doesn't
create
anything
new,
doesn't
give
anybody
any
power
to
to
use
any
other
paint
color
the
one
that's
already
approved,
so
the
board
always
has
power
over
it.
E
This
particular
building's
white,
as
all
the
other
buildings
are
in
there
and
the
same
palette
that
was
for
approved
by
the
the
owners
group.
So
as
silly
as
it
is,
it's
just
a
change
that
is
needed.
E
Well,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
my
lineup
that
I
get
in
there.
I
don't
only
for
larry
four.
You
would
have
embarrassed
myself
like
that,
but
I'm
glad
that
the
chairman
brought
that
up.
A
B
D
B
A
E
A
F
I
represent
district
22
part
of
fayette
county
all
of
jesus
county
and
all
of
garrett
county
with
me
here
today
is
mr
tom
horn,
who
is
an
attorney
with
the
lexington
fayette
urban
county
government
he'll
speak
if
if
he
gets
an
opportunity,
I'm
here
to
produce
senate
bill
to
present
senate
bill
224,
which
impacts
the
the
fayette
county,
police
and
fire
department,
retirement
benefits.
F
I
know
you've
already
heard
this
this
morning,
but
this
really
is
a
simple
bill,
but
it
really
is
a
very
important
bill
to
the
people
of
fayette
county.
The
bill
is
being
assessed
today
and
at
the
state
level,
because
the
bylaws
of
the
faith
iron
county
government
require
that
any
changes
to
their
retirement
system
for
the
fire
and
the
police
departments
be
approved
by
the
general
assembly,
so
that
that's
why
we're
here,
fayette
county,
is
pretty
unique
in
that
it
is
the
only
urban
county
government
that
we
have
in
the
commonwealth.
F
It's
also
unique
in
how
it
currently
calculates
retirement
pay
for
its
police
and
fire
departments
senate
bill.
224
includes
provisions
for
the
fayette
county,
police
and
fire
department
retirement
pay.
It
calculates
the
annual
salary
a
member
can
contribute
to
their
base
salary
from
their
base
salary,
along
with
that
that
is
required
from
their
employer
as
long
as
the
member
makes
appropriate
contributions
to
their
retirement,
and
so
all
that
goes
into
a
big
lump
and
that's
how
they
determine
their
retirement.
F
What
this
bill
does
it
allows
the
fayette
county,
police
and
fire
department
people
to
not
be
penalized
for
their
workman's
compensation
events.
It
actually
allows
them
to
effectively
draw
their
average
retirement
by
allowing
them
to
catch
up
that
pay
that
they
missed
during
the
time
that
they
were
on
workman's
compensation
and
then
the
the
fayette
county,
the
fayette
urban
county
government,
would
also
put
in
their
equitable
amount
so
that
there's
no
reduction
in
their
retirement
pay
motion
on
the
bill.
A
C
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
senator
and
mr
horn.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
just
have
one
question,
and
that
question
is
is:
is
this
consistent
with
all
the
other
departments
in
lfucg.
G
C
G
As
you
know,
with
lexington
as
an
employer
when
someone's
off
on
workers
compensation,
they
actually
pay
a
hundred
percent
of
the
salary.
But
two-thirds
of
that
is
all
that
the
state
law
requires
and
is
what
is
not
contributed
toward
pension
wise.
This
change
in
the
bill
would
allow
a
police
officer
or
firefighter
to
elect
to
make
their
contribution
on
the
salary,
and
so
when
they
retire,
their
entire
salary
would
still
be
part
of
the
calculation
instead
of
having
an
abbreviated
salary
for
a
period
of.
C
D
D
D
A
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
john
blanton
representative
for
the
92nd
district
and
audrey
mike
harmon,
with
me
from
the
state
auditor's
office,
the
auditor
himself
and
jim
henderson
with
caico.
Today.
We
appreciate
you,
mr
chairman,
for
allowing
us
to
bring
this
for
discussion
today
and
to
the
members
for
for
hearing
this.
We
have
been
working
over
the
interim
on
some
issues
jointly
with
the
kentucky
association
of
county's
officials
and
the
auditor
himself
and
his
office
on
ways
that
we
can
improve
and
help
some
of
our
counties.
H
Unfortunately,
you
know
inflation
and
everything
else
has
driven
up
the
cost
of
of
of
audit
fees
and
we're
trying
to
find,
since
we
mandate
that
they
have
these
audits,
a
way
that
that
we
can
do
the
audits
and
and
find
some
relief
for
some
of
these
counties.
It's
just
struggling
right
now,
especially
with
loss
of
population,
loss
of
income,
tax
income
and
so
forth.
H
The
audits
still
have
to
be
done,
and
so
we're
looking
for
ways
to
to
help
these
counties,
and
we
think
we've
come
up
with
something
that
we're
all
in
agreement
will
be
beneficial
to
our
counties,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
to
the
auditor
and
jim
henderson
and
let
them
talk
about
what
what
our
plans
are.
H
I
You
representative,
blanton
and
I'll
I'll
jump
in
just
a
little
bit.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
hear
this
actually
representative,
blanton
I've
probably
been
working
on
this
issue.
Maybe
two
two
and
a
half
years
yeah
or
so
the
committee
sub
that
we
worked
on
and
we
have
an
agreement
on,
does
a
couple
of
things.
The
first
part
of
the
committee
sub
deals
with
what
we
call
an
outlier
audit.
I
There
are
a
handful
of
audits
from
time
to
time,
specifically
for
sheriffs
and
county
clerks
that
go
beyond
the
average
cost.
It
can
be
for
multiple
reasons.
It
could
be
because
you
have
a
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
bad
actor
who's
not
doing
their
paperwork
properly.
It
could
be
because,
unfortunately,
the
sheriff
or
the
county
clerk
has
an
employee
that
is
not
handling
their
paperwork
properly
or
some.
In
some
instances
it
could
be
a
lack
of
cooperation
that
tends
to
drive
the
cost
of
the
audit
up.
I
Unfortunately,
your
counties,
your
fiscal
courts,
do
not
have
you
know
ultimate
control
of
the
shares
in
the
county
clerk's
office
when
it
comes
to
the
cost
of
their
invoice.
So
the
outlier
audit
portion
allows
some
rebate
on
those
audits
that
exceed
150
percent
of
the
cost
of
it.
So
we've
worked
on
that
the
second
part
of
this
particular
bill
and
just
as
he
said,
the
cost
of
audits,
like
everything
else,
has
gone
up
over
the
years
and
part
of
it
is.
I
You
know
when
I
first
entered
the
auditor's
office,
probably
about
two-thirds
of
our
budget
came
from
invoice
and
fraud,
it's
not
all
county.
Some
of
it
were
invoiced
in
the
state
as
well
about
a
third
of
it
came
from
the
general
fund,
well,
probably
five
or
ten
years
before
me,
that
was
probably
flipped
based
on
what
we
have
seen.
So
what
this
bill
does
currently
this
particular
bill
right
now.
I
Fifty
percent
of
the
audit
cost
of
fiscal
courts
specifically
that
we
do
are
offset
by
funds
the
general
assembly
provides
when
it
comes
to
sheriffs
and
county
clerks.
We
invoice
at
a
hundred
percent.
So
what
this
bill
does
with
with
the
funding
that
is
mentioned
in
here,
it
allows
us
to
invoice
at
50
for
those
sheriffs
and
county
clerks
audits
as
well
for
the
next
two
years
and
jim.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to.
J
I'll
just
simply
add,
and
I
cover
tested
again
last
night-
I
got
a
sinus
thing
for
a
week
now,
so
I
apologize
how
much
we
appreciate
representative
blanton
really
leading
on
this
issue
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
J
In
particular,
he
knows
this
issue
because
of
the
counties
he
represents
in
particular,
being
hit
exceptionally
hard
by
some
of
these
outlier
audit
costs,
and
we
do
appreciate
dr
harmon
working
with
us-
and
I
know
chairman
meredith
you've
been
a
a
real
champion
for
counties
on
trying
to
help
us
do
a
better
job
of
educating
members
here
on
the
complexities
of
things
that
the
state
pushes
down
really
to
counties.
I
know
your
work
on
the
jail
issue.
J
I
think
this
committee
heard
that
testimony
about
you
know
the
state
gets
the
benefit
of
something
that
counties
are
paying
for
again.
This
is
another
state
mandate
that
is,
that
is
that
is
required
of
counties,
and
I
don't
think
counties
any
county
in
the
right
mind
would
say
that
they
don't
want
to
be
audited.
J
They
simply
just
want
to
pay
what
that
ought
to
be,
and
unfortunately,
as
dr
harmon
explained
over
the
years,
that
gap
has
just
grown
larger
between
what
what
we
might
would
pay
and
what
the
auditor's
office
needs
to
operate
on,
and
so
I
think,
a
part
of
our
agreement
in
this
this.
This
basically
budget
budget
plea,
which
is
why
it's
discussion
only
here,
primarily
we're
making
this
case
in
the
budget,
is
to
give
us
a
couple
of
years
of
relief
is
really
what
we're
asking
for
to
give
us
time
to
talk
more
about
what?
J
D
J
It's
a
win-win,
and
so
we're
asking
for
funding
in
this,
and
this
is
not
an
archer
harmon
issue.
This
is
an
auditor
elan
issue.
This
wasn't
an
auditor
hatchet
itch
issue
ed
hatchet
right,
yeah
in
the
new
well
and
but
yeah.
Oh,
my
god.
J
I've
had
all
those
auditors
when
I
was
judged,
and
so,
but
it's
just
the
systemic
problem
has
grown
in
in
the
fact
that
to
operate
the
altar's
office
sufficiently
that
the
only
place
to
fund
the
auditor's
office
is
either
on
the
charges
to
the
oddities
or
for
the
state
to
look
more
seriously
at
their
expectation
of
what
the
auditor's
office
should
do.
I
In,
in
addition,
just
to
kind
of
jump
in
you
know,
I
talked
about
how
the
kind
of
the
flip
over
the
years,
also
everybody,
including
state
government,
has
had
pension
costs,
go
up
substantially.
You
know,
I
said,
on
public
pension
oversight
board
and
we
have
seen
and
tried
to
work
ways
to
get
that
resolved
as
well,
but
this
is
something
you
know
we
had
a
disagreement
kind
of
on
how
to
get
here.
This
is
something
we
all
came
together.
I
This
is
something
that
we
are
unified,
absolutely
in
our
ask,
and
we
think
it's
important,
because
it
will
help
all
counties
that
the
outlier
will
help.
Those
counties
that
have
had
previous
concerns,
the
other
part
of
your
sheriffs
and
your
county
clerks
on
their
audits
will
help
every
county,
and
so
we
just
ask
that
this
body
give
full
consideration
to
that.
I
H
Being
here,
we
would
just
ask
you,
members
of
the
committee
and
mr
chairman,
as
the
budget
process,
moves
forward,
to
be
supportive
of
us
in
what
we're
trying
to
obtain,
because
I
think
most
counties.
It's
representative
here
on
this
committee
will
see
a
positive
impact
in
their
county
from
it,
so
we
would
appreciate
any
support
thrown
our
way
in
getting
this
in
the
budget.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.