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30
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we
will
have
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roll
call
at
that
time.
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No
matter
what
point
we
are
in
discussion
on
the
bill,
so
just
as
a
reminder,
everyone
members
attending
remotely.
Please
indicate
your
location
when
the
secretary
calls
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role.
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remind
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don't
think
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an
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B
B
B
B
A
President
in
the
room,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
are
duly
constituted
to
do
business.
We
have
one
bill
on
the
agenda
today
that
is
house
bill,
500
sponsored
by
representative
mccoy
representative
mccoy.
We
know
you,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
you
for
the
record
to
introduce
yourself
and
after
you've
done
so
you
can
begin
your
presentation
on
house
bill.
500.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
good
morning
to
everyone
members
of
the
committee.
I
am
chad,
mccoy
state
representative
for
the
50th
district,
which
is
all
of
nelson
county,
which
includes
bardstown,
bourbon
capital
of
the
world
trademark,
and
that's
why
I'm
here
it
is
my
district
that
is
sort
of
the
epicenter
of
what
has
gone
on
with
this
bourbon
explosion
that
our
state
has
seen
and
regardless
of
what
you
might
think
of
of
bourbon.
You
cannot
ignore
the
economic
impact
it
has
on
our
state.
It
has
become
one
of
our
greatest
signature
industries.
G
We
have
more
bourbon
barrels
than
we
have
people
and
in
my
area
in
particular
the
bourbon
trail
and
the
tourism
and
visitors,
we
get
we're
almost
up
to
two
million
a
year
now
coming
through
and
and
so
the
the
economic
development
opportunities
that
come
from
that
industry
are
things
that
I
feel
like.
We
have
got
to
nurture
and
encourage
and
grow
and
I'll
kind
of
give
you
an
example
when
you
think
of
california,
you
probably
think
about
wine
and
wineries
and
and
people
go
on
wine
tours
and
they
go
and
visit
these
places.
G
Well
right
now,
california,
wines
are
are
sort
of
on
a
downturn,
but
the
tourism
business
in
california,
in
the
in
the
wineries,
is
holding
steady.
If
not
growing
and
look
bourbon
has
been
on
a
tear
and
I
think
that
will
continue
for
a
while.
But
the
reality
is
at
some
point.
You
know
it
might
have
a
downturn
and
when
it
does,
I
think
it
will
be
important
that
we've
done
everything
we
can
up
here
to
get
out
of
the
way
of
the
tourism
side
of
the
economic
development
side.
A
All
right
so
we're
good
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
the
committee
sub
say
aye.
Those
opposed
no
sub
is
adopted.
You
may
proceed.
Thank.
G
You,
sir,
so
what
this
house
bill
500
does,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
most
of
it's
not
new.
G
Most
of
it
is
things
that
are
already
happening
now
and-
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
tweaks
for
what's
happening
in
my
area
and
what
I
think
can
happen
so,
first
and
foremost,
there's
there's
this
concept
going
on
right
now
called
barrel
picks,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've,
if
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
participate
in
one
or
go
and
see
it,
but
it
has
become
such
a
draw
for
our
distilleries.
In
fact,
I'm
a
member
of
the
bourbon
capital
guild
in
bardstown.
G
It's
a
little
bourbon
club
that
you
guys
can't
join
cause
you're,
not
from
bardstown,
but
we
we
got
to
partner
with
jim
beam
and
we
got
to
go
check
out
all
the
new
stuff
before
everybody
else
did
you
know.
G
They
built
this
facility
out
by
the
lake
so
again
we're
just
bringing
people
in
it's
a
really
cool
cool
thing
that
we're
doing
or
they're
doing,
and
unfortunately
there
is
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
legal.
There
was
an
interpretation
by
the
abc
that
maybe
we
need
to
tweak
the
laws
they're,
okay
with
it.
They
they
want
us
to
tweak
the
law.
So
this
is
that
tweak
this
bill
will
just
say:
you're
allowed
to
do
those
barrel,
select
events
where
people
come
in
sample
a
few
things.
G
You're
allowed
to
then
sell
those
barrels
and
and
here's
one
of
the
things
we've
done.
If
it's
going
to
an
end
user
consumer,
it
can
just
be
sold
through
the
gift
shop,
they
can
also
use
you.
You
all
were
not
on
illinois,
but
we
did
a
direct
ship
bill
a
couple
years
ago
where,
where
it's
allowed
to
be
shipped
in
states
that
allow
that,
but
the
other
thing
that
happens
in
these
barrel
picks.
In
fact
this
is
probably
the
largest
chunk
of
them.
Is
restaurants,
bars
and
retailers
like
to
go.
Do
them.
G
So,
for
example,
you
could
go
to
liquor,
barn
and
right
now
buy
a
barrel.
Select
that
liquor
barn
has
done
so.
Licensees
are
also
doing
this.
Those
kind
of
sales
again
will
continue
to
happen
under
this
law
and
we'll
go
through
the
three-tier
system.
So
that's
kind
of
the
first
big
thing.
That's
out
there.
G
The
second
piece
of
this
bill
is:
it
allows
for
specialty
bottles
that
you
can
only
buy
at
the
gift
shop
and
again,
my
focus
is
having
something
that
your
butt
has
to
physically
come
to
the
distillery
to
be
able
to
buy.
That's
what
drives
tourism
don't
know
again
come
come
down
to.
Will
it
in
my
hometown
and
great
restaurant,
give
a
quick
plug,
but
you
there
are
people
standing
in
line
waiting
to
see
what
is
going
to
be
released.
G
The
third
thing
and-
and
I
got
this
idea
from
california-
I
was
traveling
out
in
wine
country
and
we
went
to
carmel
by
the
sea
and
the
wineries
are
all
over
the
place,
but
in
the
little
town
of
carmel,
all
the
wineries
have
a
tasting
room
right
on
main
street
and
you
actually
buy
like
a
a
ticket
that
gets
you
three
tastings
at
any
winery
you
want
to
go
to.
So
I
keep
thinking
for
bardstown
that
wow.
What?
If?
What?
G
If
other
distilleries
who,
unfortunately
are
not
in
my
area,
wanted
to
come
and
put
a
tasting
shop
right
there.
So
what
this
bill
does
is
it
allows
a
distillery
to
have
one
off-site
tasting
room
somewhere
other
than
their
distillery.
Hopefully,
they'll
pick
bardstown.
You
guys
can
fight
for
your
communities,
they
they
may
show
up
there
too.
G
The
the
last
two
things
distilleries
are
already
allowed
to
go
to
fairs
and
festivals
and
and
offer
buy
the
drinks.
It's
a
good
way
for
people
to
get
to
experience
different
products,
especially
our
craft
guys.
You
know
the
craft
distilling
industry
is
is
really
coming
into
its
own.
This
change
would
allow
the
distilleries
to
do
what
the
beer
and
wine
guys
can
already
do
and
that
is
buy,
buy
the
bottle
and
have
samples
there.
G
There
are
limits
on
the
number
of
bottles
that
can
be
purchased,
but
it
just
if,
if
there
was,
for
example,
in
bardstown,
we
have
the
arts
and
crafts
festival,
they
would
be
able
to
set
up
a
booth
and
do
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
then
finally-
and
this
is
kind
of
a
weird
when
it's
just
sort
of
a
cleanup-
one
of
the
things
that's
become
wildly
popular-
are
barrel
aged
cocktails.
G
So
you
make
a
batch
of
old
fashions
and
put
them
in
a
barrel
for
a
while
and
then
it's
kind
of
cool
you
go
to
the
bar
and
they
serve
them
out
of
the
barrel.
They
got
a
neat
taste
profile.
It
turns
out,
that's
probably
illegal,
because
you're
not
allowed
to
serve
alcohol
other
than
out
of
its
original
container.
G
So
I'm
clarifying
that
for
by
the
drink
licensees
they
are
allowed
to
pre-batch
and
put
them
in
a
barrel
with
some
restrictions.
So
in
a
nutshell,
that's
what
the
bill
does,
but
you
see
this
room
behind
me
is
filled
with
people.
There
are
none
of
them
here
to
tell
me
how
great
I
am
or
how
wonderful
this
bill
is.
G
They
are
they
are
here
because
they
don't
like
my
bill,
but
they
are
the
other
people
in
the
three-tier
system
and-
and
I
just
want
you
guys
to
think
for
a
minute
about
the
minute
quantities-
I'm
talking
about
here,
because
you're
getting
ready
to
hear
a
whole
bunch
of
chicken
little
the
sky
is
falling
and
I
just
ask
you:
listen
with
a
little
common
sense,
they're,
wonderful
people.
I
love
all
of
them
behind
me.
We
work
with
them
on
everything
the
bourbon
industry
loves
them.
G
We
need
them,
they
all
need
each
other,
these
these
three
tiers
in
this
system,
but
this
is
an
is
a
piece
that
will
grow
the
pie
for
everybody,
and
I
just
want
you
to
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind
when
they're
up
here
talking
so
that
I'll
answer
any
questions,
or
I
can
wait
until
they're
done.
However,
you
want
me
to
handle
it.
Mr
chairman,.
A
Representative
huff,
you
had
a
question:
was
it
for
whit,
mccoy?
Okay,
you
may
proceed.
C
First
of
all,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
think
you've
already
answered
my
first
question.
Is
it
within
the
realm
of
the
three-tier
system?
I
think
you've
already
indicated
that
it
was.
G
Now,
if
it
was
me
and
you
representative
huff
and
we
went
in
to
get
buy
our
own
barrel-
and
we
were
just
going
to
take
it
and
give
it
aways
christmas
gifts
that
one
would
not
that
could
go
through
the
gift
shop
just
like
we
could
go
to
the
gift
shop
right
now
and
buy
bottles
that
don't
go
through
the
three-tier
system,
but
that
is
that
is
a
very
small
percentage.
Now.
G
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
quick
question.
I'm
not
trying!
I
don't
know
if
I
hope
this
doesn't
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
go
ahead.
The
mixed
blend
the
barrel
aged
mixed
blends
barrel.
E
G
We
really
just
want
to
make
sure
this
is
happening
already,
representative
johnson,
if
you,
if
you
come
to
bardstown,
there
are
two
or
three
distilleries
that
at
their
restaurant
they
have
them
up
on
the
thing.
There's
a
barrel
aged
manhattan
in
a
barrel,
aged
old
fashioned
that
they
they
just
dispense
it
out
of
a
little
thing.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
they're
not
going
to
get
in
trouble.
I
really
can't
think
of
anything
else.
Somebody
could
do
with
it,
though,
because
you've
got
to
be
a
buy.
G
E
G
Well,
so
what
you're
now
talking
about
is,
what's
called
rtds
ready
to
drinks?
If
you
go
to
a
liquor
store,
you
can
buy
a
ready-to-drink
gin
and
tonic,
for
example,
so
that
kind
of
already
exists
under
the
law.
D
G
Yeah,
absolutely
this
and
really
I
to
me
this
is
more
of
a
tourism
bill.
I
even
I
even
talked
with
the
chairwoman
king
about
maybe
running
it
through
tourism,
we're
not
really
changing
anything
representative
gentry.
I
know,
despite
what
you're
getting
ready
to
hear,
that's
why
I
walked
you
through
it.
The
only
real
change
is
on
the
consumers
were
allowing
the
barrel
picks
to
go
through
the
gift
shop,
but
everything
else
is
just
sort
of
clarifying.
What's
already
done.
G
A
D
Thank
you
so,
on
page
24
line
six,
as
you
know,
we
allowed
recently.
D
Now
we
are
allowing
packaged
bottles
to
be
sold
at
these
fairs
and
festivals.
Can
you
tell
me
what
the
the
max
where
the
cap
is
on
that
or
what?
How
much
can
a
person
buy.
G
Yeah
and
so
remember
this
right
now,
you
can
walk
into
a
retailer
and
buy
an
unlimited
supply,
there's
no
limit
on
what
you
can
buy
at
a
liquor
store.
This
says-
and
this
was
something
that
came
out
a
few
years
ago,
when
we,
when
we
did
a
gift
shop
agreement
with
the
whole
three-tier
system
and
the
the
agreed-upon
quantity
limit
that
we
agreed
upon,
then,
is
still
this
limit,
which
is
nine
liters
per
person
per
day.
G
I
don't
I
don't
have
statistics
for
you,
but
I'll
give
you
an
example.
I
would
invite
you
and
you
can
be
my
guest
to
come
in
september
to
the
bourbon
festival
in
downtown
bardstown
and
we
set
up
at
the
bourbon
festival.
Every
distillery
sets
up
these
incredible
booths
and
at
those
booths
they
have
for
sale
all
of
the
panoply
of
their
products.
So
guy
walks
in
from
oakland
california
he's
here
on
a
trip
and
he
walks
around
and
says
you
know
what
I've
never
even
seen
this
distillery
gets
to
sample.
G
D
D
I'm
concerned,
if
we
keep
giving
giving
giving
to
the
distillers,
are
we
really
expanding
the
sales
or
are
we
just
transferring
who
is
making
the
sales
and
are
we
creating
an
incentive
to
control
supply
to
some
extent
which
raises
price?
So
if
what
I'm
getting
at
is
first
of
all,
let
me
say,
mr
representative,
mccoy,
I
know
you
would
like
to
make
bardstown
a
sonoma
valley,
napa
valley
of
bourbon
industry,
I'm
sure
every
single
person
here,
if
they
were
representing
the
district
that
you
represent,
would
do
the
same
thing.
D
I
fully
understand
why
you
would
want
to
do
that.
Okay,
but
our
districts
most
of
our
districts,
don't
have
distilleries.
Probably
never
will
we
do
have
retailers
and
a
lot
of
them
are
telling
us
that
we
can't
keep
products
on
our
shelves.
We
we
can't
and
are
we
continuing
to
incentivize
distilleries
by
some
of
these
things
that
we're
doing
and
expanding
on
to.
G
My
only
concern
no
and
listen.
I
I
appreciate
that
and
I
hear
the
argument
a
couple
things
to
think
about
number
one.
America
is
a
capitalist
place,
whether
you
like
that
or
not,
and
we
don't
have
you
tried
to
buy
a
new
car
lately
or
seen
the
prices
of
them.
I
tried
to
get
my
kid
a
ford,
bronco
ford's
right
here
in
our
state.
I
can't
buy
one,
my
dealer
doesn't
have
them
looked
in
california,
they
had
a
couple
when
the
when
the
reality
of
the
world
is
a
product
is
in
limited
supply.
G
G
Why
would
someone
who
makes
a
product
want
to
choke
off
the
ability
for
someone
to
sell
it?
That's
why
you
make
a
product
is
to
sell
it.
So
I
I
hear
the
concern,
but
I
think
what
we're
seeing
and
remember
nothing
here
is
changing
all
the
problems.
We've
got
right
now,
those
I'm
not
creating
anything
new.
The
barrel
picks
are
going
on
the
supply
issues
we've
got
are
because
of
the
nature
of
this
product.
G
D
I
don't
want
to
take
up
any
more
time
because
I
know
you're
always
out
of
time
in
this
committee,
but
so
I
I
would
like
to
talk
to
you
after
on.
A
A
You
we've
got
two
more
questions,
then,
at
nine
o'clock
we're
going
to
allow
the
individuals
who
signed
up
to
speak
in
opposition
to
have
some
time
at
this
time.
Representative,
bray.
C
Thank
you.
So
you
talked
about
on
the
private
select
barrel
picks
if
you've
got
a
retailer,
they
can
come
in
and
physically
make
their
selection,
and
then
it
has
to
go
to
a
wholesaler.
I
guess
so
that
they
can
receive
the
product,
and
I
understand
the
three
tier
system.
C
G
G
G
I
struggle
with
it.
I
think
the
three-tier
system
would
exist
without
the
laws
requiring
it,
because
to
be
candid,
with
you,
the
three-tier
system
exists
for
every
product,
walmart
doesn't
make
products
or
ship
products.
Walmart
sells
products,
they
rely
on
distributors,
they
rely
on
manufacturers,
that's
kind
of
the
nature
of
the
beast.
The
the
argument,
though,
would
be
that
it
just
helps
ensure
quality,
but
you'd
have
to
ask
him
how
I
struggle
with
that
part.
C
I'm
not
you
know,
alcohol
is
not
my
strong
suit
or
forte.
It
just
seems
to
me
like
that's.
It
makes
it
a
more
expensive
product
right,
but
thank
you.
F
One
of
my
questions
were
I
already
answered,
but
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
bourbon
trail.
I've
never
been
on.
The
bourbon
trail
explain
to
me
a
little
bit
about
what
these
satellite
centers
might
look
like.
What
do
you
vision
that
to
look
like,
because
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
would.
G
What
yeah,
absolutely
so,
really
what
it?
What
if
you
go
to
a
distillery
now
it
sounds
like
you
haven't
been
to
one.
I
encourage
you
to
go
they're,
pretty
cool
they're
going
to
have
a
gift
shop
and
when
you
walk
into
the
gift
shop,
what
they'll
have
for
sale
is
a
bunch
of
swag.
You
know
fun
t-shirts
with
funny
logos
on
them
and
and
coasters
and
keychains,
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
but
they'll
also
have
their
products
for
sale.
G
G
They
are
also
allowed
at
those
gift
shops
to
have
a
buy
the
drink
and
buy
the
bottle
sales.
So
it
would
just
be
that
exactly
it
would
be
a
a
gift
shop
where
you
could
walk
in
and
and
we
kind
of
have
them
in
downtown
bardstown
already.
If
you
come
downtown
and
walk
you'll
see
some
of
the
distilleries
have
got
places
set
up,
but
what
they've
had
to
do
is
actually
buy
a
retail
license.
G
There
are
places
in
the
state
where
you
can't
get
a
retail
license,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
allow
everybody,
including
some
of
our
craft,
guys
the
ability
to
come
open
up
one
of
their
gift
shops,
one
anywhere
else.
They
want
as
long
as
it's
a
wet
county.
Obviously
I'm
not.
It
doesn't
change
any
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
C
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Just
double
check
it
on
this
one
unit
that
you're
going
to
allow
these
guys
to
have
yeah
like
one
testing
room.
Are
you
gonna
allow
them
to
have
other
owners
of
that
unit,
or
do
they
have
to
own
the
unit,
no
be
responsible
for
it?
It.
G
G
A
A
I
H
Chairman
weber,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
bill.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
a
few
comments
on
it
and
I
also
appreciate
representative
mccoy
proposing
to
fix
the
private
barrel
selection
problem
that
we
do
have.
However,
members
of
the
kentucky
association
of
beverage,
retailers
and
myself
cannot
support
house
bill
500
because
it
goes
much
further
than
just
fixing
the
barrel
selection
problem.
H
I'm
not
just
talking
about
hard
to
get
her
allocated
bottles,
I'm
talking
about
everyday
kentucky,
bourbons
that
have
been
stable
products
on
our
shelves
for
years.
This
problem
exists
for
both
big
and
small
stores.
It's
a
problem
for
all
of
us
in
this
industry.
Our
customers
are
frustrated
and
we
are
frustrated
too.
In
fact,
some
of
them
have
resorted
to
traveling
out
of
state
to
get
bourbons
that
used
to
be
available
regularly
here
in
kentucky.
H
Our
customers
and
your
constituents
should
not
have
to
line
up
at
a
distillery
gift
shop
at
6
a.m,
cross
the
border
in
another
state
or
join
an
online
club
to
buy
a
special
bottle
of
kentucky
bourbon.
They
want
to
support
local
businesses
and
we
want
to
sell
the
products
that
are
in
demand
house
bill.
H
I
I'm
once
again
thank
you
for
being
here
to
hear
our
side
of
this
said.
I
won't
repeat
too
much
of
what
you
heard
from
eric,
but
except
echoes
comments
about
the
ongoing
problem
of
getting
kentucky
bourbon
for
our
customers.
I
know
allocated
bourbons
like
papi,
and
old
forest
or
birthday
are
hard
to
get,
especially
for
small
retailers
like
me,
but
I
would
never
have
imagined
that
I
would
have
empty
shelves
where
I
usually
stock,
kentucky,
tavern
old,
crow,
h,
jim
beam
and
woodford
products.
I
To
name
a
few.
I
said
we
hear
the
distillery
say
they
want
kentucky
to
remain
the
bourbon
capital
of
the
world.
But
how
do
we
do
that
when
you
have
empty
shelves
and
kentuckians
can't
buy
the
bourbon
that
we
love
at
our
local
stores?
I
have
made
reusable
signs
to
put
up
in
these
spots
to
make
sure
that
they
know
that
I
apologize
for
the
lack
of
product
we
have
on
those
shelves.
I
Some
of
the
other
changes
this
bill
makes
would
allow
distilleries
to
sell
a
case
of
bourbon
to
each
customer
at
fares
and
farmers
markets,
and
it
would
allow
a
distillery
to
open
a
satellite
store
and
block
it
from
my
store
to
sell
bourbon
that
I
cannot
even
get.
I
mean
if
cuffs
are
things
they
can't
get
that
bourbon
at
my
store
and
only
at
these
locations.
It
stops
them
from
coming
into
my
store
and
doesn't
give
me
a
chance
to
sell
anything
at
all
to
them,
because
I
miss
that
opportunity.
I
I
We
have
told
the
stellar
association
for
years
that
if
they
want
to
talk
about
special
privileges,
for
small
distilleries
to
be
able
to
grow
like
theirs
like
how
the
small
farm
wineries
have
privileges
that
large
wineries
don't
or
microbrewery
privileges
that
are
given
the
large
two
large
breweries.
We
have
been
open
to
that
discussion.
They
have
repeatedly
said
that
they
won't
agree
to
craft
distilleries
having
privileges
not
also
given
to
these
mega
distilleries.
I
While
we
appreciate
representative
mccoy
changing
the
bill
until
I
only
won
a
satellite
store
per
distillery,
no
good
deed
goes
unpunished.
I
appreciate
everything
he
is
trying
to
do
for
those
people
every
good
deed.
He
does
for
them,
takes
away
from
us
tenfold
and
from
the
local
community
from
what
we
do
around
us
by
not
allowing
us
to
have
these
products
additional
privileges
like
these
four
distilleries,
will
only
make
it
harder
for
us
to
get
inventory
and
will
prevent
our
customers
from
shopping
local.
I
I
understand
that
it
is
their
bourbon
and
they
want
to
make
as
much
money
as
possible,
but
my
business
is
totally
dependent
on
what
our
producer
will
allow
me
to
buy,
because
I
am
not
allowed
to
distill
my
own
bourbon
several
years
ago.
We
did
not
oppose
distilleries
being
able
to
increase
how
much
they
can
sell
to
each
customer,
because
we
were
told
that
by
the
time
the
new
quantity
limit
went
into
effect,
there
would
be
a
plenty
a
supply
of
for
everybody.
I
That
is
not
what
has
happened
and
the
bill
will
make
it
worse
for
your
local
retailers
and
our
customers
that
are
that
are
your
constituent
constituents.
I
ask
that
you
vote
no
on
house
bill
500,
and
so
your
customers
can
shop
local
and
not
be
forced
to
drive
to
the
distillery
across
the
border.
Instead,
please
support
senate
bill
160
to
fix
the
barrel
selection.
You
know
I
do
want
to
remind
you.
As
everybody
knows,
we
touched
seven
states.
I
The
retailers
grew
this
bourbon
business
business.
We
are
the
ones
that
really
have
pushed
it
for
years,
along
with
our
restaurants,
and
we
take
the
bottles
out
of
our
hands
that
drive
people
to
our
stores
that
they
want
it
shuts
down
these
ones
that
are
trying
to
grow
it.
Really.
It
really
causes
more
damage
than
good,
and
I
think
we've
allowed
a
lot
of
access
to
alcohol
from
outside
of
here
very
easily
and
we'd,
be
mindful
that
those
acts
have
just
taken
place.
I
J
J
Thank
you,
chairman
weber,
appreciate
it
usually
I'm
saying
chairman
koenig,
as
representative
gentry
said,
as
I
told
representative
mccoy
earlier,
I
don't
understand
why
he
got
you
all
up
so
early
to
come
out
here
and
hear
a
bad
alcohol
bill,
but
I
was
born
in
bardstown,
so
hopefully
that
that
saves
me
representative
mccoy.
J
We
we
greatly
appreciate
working
with
him
on
a
number
of
issues
and
in
fact
I
told
him
earlier
there
are
a
couple
of
other
alcohol
bills
that
he's
filed
that
we
support,
and
so
we
we
and
this
bill
initially
was
even
broader
than
the
bill
that
you
see
before
you
today.
Now
again,
I
don't
know
what's
in
the
committee
sub,
but
I
do
appreciate
him
making
some
changes
that
we
requested,
but
we
still
think
this
bill
goes
too
far.
J
As
the
retailers
indicated
representative
bray,
you
mentioned
the
three
church
system
that
is
necessity
of
a
wholesaler,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
casey
to
kind
of
kind
of
give
you
a
little
bit
of
synopsis.
You
know
what
the
heck
does
a
does.
A
wine
and
spirits
wholesaler
do
and
then
I'll
get
back
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
bill.
Sure.
Thank
you,
charles.
K
Good
morning,
everyone-
members
of
the
committee-
I
I
do
appreciate
you
allowing
me
to
give
you
a
brief
glimpse
into
the
wholesale
network
and
and
what
a
wholesaler
does
in
the
three-tier
system.
It's
been
noted
in
a
couple
conversations
already.
There
is
sometimes
confusion
around
what
our
tier
provides
to
the
market,
both
with
our
supplier
tier,
as
well
as
our
retail
tier,
so
I'll
take
a
minute
or
two
to
give
you
a
brief
synopsis.
So
from
a
30
000
foot
view,
our
role
is
pretty
basic.
K
K
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
the
beverage
experts
in
the
market.
Our
teams
work
really
hard
to
develop
certification,
educate
themselves,
educate
members
of
our
tiers
so
that
between
our
supplier
tier
and
our
retailer
tier,
we
are
providing
the
best
service
we
can
to
engage
consumers
and
and
ultimately
to
grow
our
suppliers
products.
K
So
that's
why
we're
uniquely
positioned
in
the
middle?
We
provide
resources
in
both
directions
from
a
new
product,
and
we
talked
about
some
innovation
in
new
product
standpoint
from
a
new
product
standpoint,
the
wholesaler
is
the
one
who
drives
the
initial
drive
to
the
market
of
all
new
products.
K
I
personally
have
launched
thousands
of
brands,
in
my
time
from
craft
gins
to
craft
vodkas
to
moonshine
to
bourbons,
and
we
work
with
them
closely
to
provide
them
skill
that
otherwise
they
couldn't
provide
themselves.
Many
of
our
suppliers
don't
have
someone
who
actually
exists
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
so
we
are
their
sales
resource.
We
are
their
marketing
resource
their.
We
are
their
finance
resource.
K
K
K
K
K
One
of
my
good
friends
in
in
harrisburg
area,
dixon
deadman
called
me
one
day
and
said
I've
got
this
brand.
I
want
to
revive
my
my
family's
legacy
brand
that
was
taken
at
prohibition,
and
would
you
help
me
develop
that
brand
and,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
that
product,
it's
called
kentucky
isle
and
he
was
incredibly
successful
and
was
fortunate
enough
that
somebody
wanted
to
take
a
stake
in
his
product
and
has
created
a
great
success
that
started
on
the
backs
of
the
wholesalers
to
take
it
further.
K
As
eric
and
adam
pointed
to,
we
then
rely
on
that
retail
tier
that
retail
tier
is
incredibly
important
because
they
are
ultimately
the
ones
who
are
engaging,
our
consumers,
driving
products
to
the
consumers
and
ensuring
that
we
have
a
diverse
portfolio
of
brands
available
to
you
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
that
we've
got
a
system
of
checks
and
balances
that
ensures
that
it's
done
with
a
proper
tax
collection
which
is
all
handled
at
the
wholesale
tier.
There
was
a
question
about
barrels,
for
example,
one
of
the
functions
of
the
wholesale
tier
tiers.
K
We
collect
both
the
state
excise
taxes
and
ad
valorem
taxes,
which
we
then
pay
on
a
monthly
basis
to
the
state
to
ensure
that
the
the
correct
taxation
is
is
covered
that
is
not
handled
by
the
supplier.
Tier
retailers
pay
localized
taxes,
as
we
do
localized
taxes
as
well
and
and
what
we
sell
to
them,
but
as
as
I
mentioned,
with
with
bourbons
and
such
so,
you
know
through
a
lot
of
people's
hard
work,
engagement
and
brand
development.
K
K
We
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
walk
you
through
invite
you
to
rndc
or
one
of
our
our
partner
wholesalers
and
further
explain
what
we
do
and
actually
show
you
what
what
we
do.
Thank
you.
K
A
You've
got
you
got
about
three
minutes:
okay,
based.
J
A
J
Okay,
I
appreciate
that,
in
regards
to
the
barrel
pick
issue
representative.
Mccoy
is
correct
that
this
bill
does
maintain
the
three-tier
system
for
those
retail
picks.
However,
for
a
consumer
pick,
it
would
go
well
outside
the
bounds
right
now
of
what
the
quantity
limits
exist
in
kentucky
for
a
gift
shop
sale,
which
is
one
case,
so
this
would
allow
unlimited
barrels
to
be
sold
direct
to
consumers
now,
most
of
the
time,
it's
not
just
two
one
or
two
people
buying
a
barrel
because,
as
he
mentioned,
they're
quite
expensive
right.
J
So
these
are
bourbon
clubs,
they're
corporations.
It
may
be
a
law
firm,
an
accounting,
firm
whomever
it
may
be
it.
There
are
people
out
there
with
some
pretty
big
buying
power,
and
I
would
point
out
that
the
barrel
the
barrel
pick
provision
itself
would
do
nothing
to
drive
tourism
because
we
already
have
barrel
picks
they
exist
today
they
work
well.
This
was
never
an
issue
until
the
abc
issued
its
opinion.
No
one
ever
mentioned
barrel,
picks
being
an
issue
the
process
or
anything
about
it,
because
consumers
could
find
a
local
retailer.
J
The
process
worked
very
well
and
also
alcohol
is
regulated
on
a
state-by-state
basis,
love
it
or
hate
it.
We
have
the
21st
amendment
to
the
u.s
constitution,
which
puts
alcohol
regulation
to
the
states.
What
does
that
mean?
That
means
that
individual
states
regulate
how
much
alcohol
can
cross
their
borders?
Okay,
all
of
our
surrounding
states
have
what
are
called
personal
importation
limits
you
cannot
cross.
J
You
know
how
much
is
enforced
can
vary
state
to
state
but
you're
not
technically
allowed
to
cross
the
borders,
for
example
in
ohio
you're
not
allowed
to
bring
more
than
one
liter
of
liquor
across
the
border.
Obviously,
with
a
barrel
pick
you're
talking
about
150
to
250
bottles,
so
it's
a
large
quantity
of
product
that
if
somebody
from
a
surrounding
state
were
to
drive
into
kentucky,
they
wouldn't
legally
be
able
to
cross
that
border
back
to
take
that
product.
So
how
does
that
happen?
Now?
It
goes
through
the
three-tier
system
in
that
state.
J
J
There
is
one
state
in
california
that
it
looks
like
a
bill
is
moving
there
to
allow
dtc
of
spirits
their
dtc
spirits
bill
would
be
limited
to
craft
distillers
only
and
it's
a
an
annual
limit
right
now
on
the
in
that
bill
at
36
leaders
so
again
would
not
capture
the
amount
of
quantity,
that's
in
a
barrel
of
bourbon
and
so
the
barrel.
I
understand
some
of
the
other,
his
other
some
of
the
other
priorities
in
the
bill,
but
we're
talking
about
the
barrel
pick
issue
itself.
J
It
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
tourism,
the
other
pieces.
Yes,
you
could
probably
argue
they
do,
but
but
that
piece
alone
does
not
and
we're
talking
about
work,
economic
development
and
workforce.
We
have
a
workforce
in
kentucky
too.
You
know.
Wholesalers
and
distributors
employ
upwards
of
2500
people
across
the
state.
At
an
average
annual
wage
of
80
000
a
year,
we've
got
good
jobs.
We
retain
employees,
we
treat
them
right,
we've
got
retailers
employ
another,
probably
13.
J
000
people
in
this
state
rndc
is
investing
55
million
dollars
in
a
facility
right
now,
it's
being
built
as
we
speak
in
louisville
kentucky,
so
we
are
also
invested
in
this
community.
We
love,
I
personally
love
the
bourbon
industry
love
it.
I
grew
up
around
it.
Just
this
past
saturday
I
took
bourbon
tours.
I
felt
it
on
sunday,
but
I
I
enjoyed
it.
J
I
had
some
batch
cocktails.
We
support
that
provision.
So
there's
a
lot
of
we.
We
love
the
bourbon
industry,
fully
support
it,
but
sometimes
things
can
go
too
far.
We
believe
this
bill
simply
goes
too
far.
Now,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
sit
down
with
representative
mccoy,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
sit
down.
I've
had
discussions
with
the
kentucky
distillers
association.
A
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
I
don't
see
any
questions
for
any
of
the
any
of
the
four
that
presented.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
presenting
your
points
representative,
mccoy.
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
few
minutes
here.
If
there's
anything
you
need
to
address,
you
may
do
that
and
then
we're
going
to
have.
A
A
A
A
A
D
A
C
Think
you're
trying
to
move
this
forward
in
a
way
that
promotes
economic
development.
I
I
appreciate
the
way
you
distilled
the
argument
down
to,
I
guess
I'd
say
my
level,
because
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
alcohol
bills
in
committee
in
a
way
that
I
could
understand
it.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
to
move
it
forward
and
continue
to
talk
to
folks
and
review
it,
but
I,
but
what
you're
trying
to
do
makes
sense
to
me.
So.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
D
Explain
my
vote,
please,
you
may
I'm
going
to
pass
today.
There
are
some
things
in
here
that
I
support
need
to
be
done.
I
think
there's
another
bill
in
the
senate
that
does
that
and
doesn't
go
as
far
as
as
this
bill
does,
and
so
I'm
gonna
pass
today
and-
and
I
think
this
bill's
in
the
wrong
committee,
but
I'll
keep
it
back
thanks.
C
A
E
So
I'm,
along
the
same
lines
of
I,
want
to
move
this
forward,
have
additional
conversations
about
it.
We've
had
many
conversations,
as
you
know,
a
little
concerned
about
the
distribution
process
of
it,
but
I
also
know
that
for
my
district,
this
is
a
good
thing.
So,
let's
move
it
forward,
keep
talking
see
where
we
get
to
on
the
floor.
I'm
a
yes
vote.
Thank
you.
C
Explain
my
vote,
please,
you
may
for
now
I'm
going
to
vote
yes,
but
I
would
love
to
see
the
bill.
Sponsors,
plural
and
the
retailers
actually
get
on
the
same
page
on
this.
So
I
don't
know
how
that
happens.
I
don't
know
enough
about
it
really
to
know
how
that
operates,
but
I
I
would
love
to
see
a
floor
amendment
that
both
support.
C
F
C
C
Explain
my
vote.
You
may
do
have
some
concerns
about
this
bill.
I
am
a
no
today
I
do
appreciate.
I
will
say
that
my
knowledge
as
to
this
industry
is
rather
limited,
and
I
appreciate
that
you
tried
to
explain
it,
but
I
just
don't
feel
like.
I
have
a
good
grasp
on
this
at
this
time.
So
today
I'm
gonna
know
thank
you.
A
F
Currently,
I'm
to
pass
on
this
bill,
like
some
of
the
other
representatives
stated,
this
is
new
to
me
a
little
bit.
I
do
promote
economic
development.
I
do
promote
tourism,
I'm
just
not
sure
if
this
is
actually
a
bill
that
would
help
in
either
one
of
those.
So
I
need
to
do
a
little
more
research
on
that.
So
currently,
right
now,
I'm
going
to
pass.