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A
And
I
want
to
thank
representative
Walker
for
letting
me
chair
this
today,
Mr
secretary,
if
you
can
call
the
role
please
representative,.
C
D
B
E
A
All
right,
representative
Dietz,
if
you
would
like
to
have
your
distinguished
vet,
come
up
to
the
front
and
introduce
them
and
if
he
could
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I'd
appreciate
that
we
could
all
stand
and
then
remain
standing
for
The
Prayer
by
representative
fugit.
F
Let's
pray
together,
heavenly
father.
Thank
you
for
a
new
day.
Thank
you
for
your
blessings
on
us
Lord.
The
ability
to
be
here
today
to
serve
you
and
to
serve
our
people
all
across
the
state
of
Kentucky
I
want
to
thank
for
this
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunities
that
we
get
Lord
hearing
this
committee
to
honor
those
who
serve
us
who
have
served
us
and
thank
you
for
our
military,
our
public
protectors,
First,
Responders
or
Troopers,
and
police
officers
and
paramedics.
C
After
this
tour
he
lived
in
California
from
1983
to
1986,
where
he
served
as
Marine
aircraft
or
I'm
sorry
served
as
the
ordinance
Chief
and
Senior
Ariel
Gunnery
instructor
for
marine
aircraft
group
16.
from
1989
to
1993.
He
returned
to
Marine
Corps
Air
Station
Beaufort,
with
Marine
fighter
attack
251
for
a
tour
that
included
some
time
in
Saudi,
Arabia
and
Kuwait
during
Desert
Storm
and
a
Westpac
cruise
to
Japan
in
the
Far
East
in
1989.
C
C
C
G
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
come
here
and
represent
veterans
across
the
country.
Obviously
it
has
been
tough
on
Veterans
for
years,
and
it
will
continue
to
be
so
as
the
numbers
dwindle
and
the
challenges
of
civilian
life
over
ways
what
the
military
can
provide,
and
it
does
require
a
special
challenge.
Well,
I
like
to
do
if,
if
you'll
indulge
me
for
a
moment,
is
I
like
to
recognize
a
couple
of
other
veterans
that
are
dear
to
my
heart.
G
The
first
one
is
my
father.
He
served
in
the
United
States
Army
during
the
second
World
War
was
with
the
36
Infantry
Division
made
the
landing
at
Salerno
in
Italy,
served
in
North
Africa.
He
was
Medevac
back
to
Africa
and
back
to
the
United
States,
where
he
was
discharged
from
the
Army
in
1946..
D
G
Mother,
her
only
brother
served
in
the
Navy
I
have
a
cousin
that
is
a
retired
Marine.
Who
was
my
inspiration
for
the
Marine
Corps
as
a
young
child?
He
kind
of
was
like
a
big
brother
to
me
after
that,
when
I
joined
the
Marine
Corps
I
dedicated
the
24
years,
I
I
wanted
to
be
there.
So
if
the
call
came,
I
could
give
the
same
service
that
my
forefathers
had
given
my
wife,
she
also
was
a
marine.
She
served
four
years
in
the
Marine
Corps.
G
She
was
the
first
woman
aerial
Gunnery
instructor
in
the
Marine
Corps
for
helicopters,
and
she
also
was
the
first
woman
assigned
to
an
offensive
nuclear
weapons
unit.
Her
uncle
was
a
marine
who
served
on
Iwo
Jima
and
earned
the
Silver
Star.
While
he
was
there,
and
then
they
sent
him
back
to
the
United
States
very
rapidly
when
they
learned
that
he
was
16
years
old
from
there.
My
family
also
jumped
into
the
frying
pan.
G
C
D
G
My
family
and
all
my
friends,
I
said
I
send
another
a
day,
because
I
know
how
important
it
is
and
I
always
include
some
kind
of
a
comic
strip
in
there
for
him
to
share
for
the
other
soldiers
and
and
the
people
that
are
there
but
I
enjoy
it.
A
Well,
we
appreciate
your
service
and
continuing
to
serve
the
community
here
in
Kentucky,
and
you
know,
and
thanks
for
coming
up
and
being
our
distinguished
veteran
for
the
day
and
I
have
a
coin
here,
I'd
like
to
present
to
you,
okay,.
G
A
I
Thank
you,
chairman
committee,
for
hearing
my
bill.
My
name
is
Wade
Williams
I'm,
the
representative
for
the
fourth
legislative
district
and
hearing
that
story
of
going
to
basic
training
and
Company
commander
of
a
basic
training
unit.
I,
don't
envy
what's
ahead
of
him
in
the
next
few
weeks.
So
that's
that
I
wish
him
all
the
luck.
What
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
today
is
house
bill.
64..
I
This
bill
addresses
an
unforeseen
effect
in
the
detail
that
pops
legislation
that
was
passed
in
the
early
90s
by
this
General
Assembly
and
when
pops
took
effect,
it
allowed
for
a
grandfathering
clause
for
those
that
had
already
had
been
certified
through
a
police
academy,
and
one
of
the
section
of
this
legislation
required
that
these
grandfather
status
individuals
had
90
days
to
retain
employment
once
they
they
retired,
and
that
what
this
bill
does
is
extend
that
90
days
to
a
one-year
process
to
allow
for
a
one-year
time
limit
to
allow
them.
I
To
kind
of
you
know,
even
some
jobs
that
they
go
into
would
require
them
to
set
out
to
get
back
into
the
retirement
system.
So
some
of
them,
which
are
at
90
days
even
the
30-day
mark,
it
makes
it
difficult
to
communicate
that
with
the
retirement
system
and
process
that
individual
paperwork
that
you
need
so
this.
But
what
this
bill
basically
does
is
just
extend
that
window
from
90
days
to
one
year
to
second.
J
A
Have
a
motion
by
representative
fugit
in
a
second
by
representative
Blanton:
do
we
have
any
discussion
Mr
secretary?
Can
you
call
the
roll?
Well?
Excuse
me?
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
it's
representative
Lafferty.
I
C
L
F
M
D
N
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
that's
particularly
representative
dossett,
for
for
his
help
with
this
as
well.
Thank.
A
H
A
O
Chairman
and
committee,
thank
you
for
having
us
today,
past
couple
years,
I've
had
the
privilege
working
with
canine
units
throughout
the
state
of
Kentucky
Patrol
dogs,
narcotics
search
and
rescue,
but
I've
never
seen
these
dogs
operate
like
this,
and
we
have
three
electronic
detection
dogs
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
and
I'm,
going
to
turn
this
over
to
our
friend
liaison
Angela
Parker
for
KSP
doing
a
phenomenal
job
here
in
the
state
and
she's
going
to
introduce
her
guests.
L
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
this
morning.
We
are
very
appreciated
to
representative
Wesley
for
sponsoring
this
bill
and
allowing
us
to
work
with
him
in
the
interim
on
the
language
that
we
find
very
important
in
this
statute.
L
When
Sergeant
strong
was
studying
for
promotion
recently,
she
noticed
that
there
was
a
gap
in
the
assault
on
a
service
animal
statute,
where
the
definitions
are
so
narrowly
defined
at
the
moment
that
harm
to
our
canine
May,
who
is
hiding
under
the
table
at
the
moment
it
may
is
an
electronic
device
detection
canine
and
under
the
current
statute,
any
harm
to
Canine
May
or
her
partner,
cam
who's
also
attending
this
morning.
In
the
audience,
any
harm
to
these
important
canines
would
not
be
covered
under
assault
on
a
service
animal.
L
At
this
time,
so
representative
Wesley
worked
with
us
in
the
interim
to
add
the
definition
for
electronic
device
detection
dogs
so
that
they
would
be
covered
by
the
statute,
but
also
to
add
the
generic
police
dog
definition
to
cover
any
canines
that
are
working
in
Police
Service
for
any
agency
in
the
Commonwealth,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
come
back
and
continually
redefine
the
statute,
because
we
can
never
anticipate
the
amazing
things
that
these
canines
can
do
in
service
for
law
enforcement.
And
so
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Sergeant.
Strong.
P
D
P
I
will
talk
about
my
dog
so,
as
they
said
earlier,
these
are
electronic
stores
of
ice
detection
canines
and
we
use
them
as
part
of
the
internet
crimes
against
children
task
force
and
we
investigate
child
sexual
exploitation
online
as
part
of
that
task
force,
and
that
involves
a
lot
of
residential
search
warrants.
Looking
for
electronic
devices,
so
we
in
particular
we
use
these
dogs
to
not
only
speed
up
the
search
process
in
general,
but
to
locate
devices
that
we
may
not
find
otherwise,
because
they've
been
hidden
because
they
have
evidence
on
them.
P
She
found
her
food
pouch.
Just
now
so
May
joined
us
in
March
2021
as
the
first
ever
ESD
canine
in
Kentucky,
working
with
law
enforcement
and
a
little
bit
later
in
August
of
2022.
We
saw
a
need
for
another
dog,
so
that's
when
we
got
Cam
and
detective
sends
his
Handler
and
these
my
favorite
part
about
these
dogs
other
than
the
the
ability
to
find
these
Electronics
is.
They
are
what
we
call
a
career
change
dog.
P
That's
a
very
nice
way
to
say
that
they
flunked
out
of
service
school,
but
because
of
that,
we're
also
able
to
use
them
as
comfort
dogs
and
on
these
search
warrants.
Unfortunately,
we
we
come
across
child
victims
that
are
in
these
residences
on
these
search
warrants
and
when
you've,
my
favorite
part
is,
is
when
you
go
in
these
houses,
and
you
see
these
dogs
search,
which
is
amazing
enough.
P
It's
incredible
enough
on
its
own
and
then
you
see
them
kind
of
switch
gears
after
they
find
all
these
Electronics
and
you're
in
a
room
with
a
child.
That's
been
a
victim
of
these
crimes
and
you
know:
they've
been
a
victim
of
these
crimes
because
you've
seen
the
images
and
the
videos
Before.
You
walk
in
the
house
and
in
the
child's
crying
and
they're
confused
and
they're
scared,
and
they
don't
quite
understand
what's
going
on
and
you
feel
helpless.
N
P
So
they're
specifically,
we
utilize
them
to
find
any
sort
of
electronic
that
has
a
storage
capability
and
they're.
Not
a
lot
of
people
ask
how
they
even
do
that
so
they're
actually
trained
to
detect
a
specific
chemical
that
is
in
these
Electronics.
It's
called
triphenylphosphine
oxide,
so
they're.
Actually
they
don't
realize
they're
searching
for
electronics.
They
think
they're
searching
for
this
chemical,
but
that's
that's
specifically
what
we
use
them
for.
N
One
more
question:
please
sure
the
other
question
is
is
outside
of
this
work.
That's
specifically
connected
to
children
who
are
being
exploited.
Are
they
used
in
any
other
types
of
searches
that
do
not
fall
within
that
scope
of
work?.
P
Yeah,
so
we
we
any
sort
of
electronic
device,
that's
Missing
or
I.
Think
recently
we
had
a
murder
case
in
Johnson
County.
We
assisted.
M
P
The
suspect
had
made
some
phone
calls
or
something
there
were
some
GPS
information.
They
felt
that
maybe
on
his
phone
and
he
had
driven
back
in
a
coal
mine
somewhere
and
and
thrown
the
phone
out
in
the
weeds,
and
they
called
me
to
come
help
them
search
for
that.
So
it's
not
as
part
of
the
task
force
that
we're
on
that's
primarily
what
we
investigate,
but
really
any
crime
involving
an
electronic
that
they
can
help
with
were
available
for.
A
Thank
you,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
First
is
what
is
the
cost
of
the
canine
as
through
training
and
and
maintenance.
P
A
P
Everywhere
I
mean
you
can
imagine
if
you
just
sit
and
think
we
have
so
many
electronics
in
our
house
now
that
we
don't
even
realize
I
mean
even
your
refrigerators
can
be
a
smart
refrigerator
now.
So
anything
like
that.
That
has
any
sort
of
storage
capacity.
These
dogs
will
alert
on.
P
This
is
voodoo
I'm
just
enjoying
having
a
dog
right,
because
I
I
still
didn't
I'd,
never
handled
the
dog
before
I
got
May,
so
I
was
kind
of
learning
as
I
went
as
well,
and
she
alerted
on
what
I
thought
was
a
shelf
and
so
I
searched
the
shelf
and
there
was
absolutely
nothing
there
for
her
to
alert
on
and
I'm
like.
Oh
my
gosh,
this
is
our
first
search.
This
isn't
good,
so
I
turned
it
around
and
looked
in.
P
There
was
actually
a
pile
of
clothes
in
the
floor
and
I
looked
at
her
and
I
was
like
I.
Think
you're
messing
with
me,
but
okay,
so
I
tear
through
the
whole
pile
of
clothes
and
on
the
main
bottom
of
that
pile
of
clothes
was
the
suspect's
phone
that
he
was
exclusively
using
to
download
child
sexual
exploitation.
Okay,.
O
So
if
you
would
turn
to
last
page
on
line
seven
that
will
kind
of
do
away
with
that,
that's
what
that's
about
it
says
that
if
such
force
is
necessary
to
protect
himself
or
herself
with
the
third
person
against
the
use
of
use
of
unlawful
physical
use
of
the
service
animal,
we
didn't
think
that
that
should
have
been
in
there.
So
we
just
went
ahead
and
disregarded
that.
K
O
K
To
lend
some
bipartisan
support
to
this
bill
because,
as
most
of
you
know
in
my
district
last
summer,
we
did
have
the
tragic
shooting
of
officers
in
our
County.
We
lost
three
officers,
I'd
like
to
name
them:
Captain,
Frazier,
Deputy,
Petrie
and
officer
chaffins,
and
alongside
those
officers
we
also
lost
a
service
dog.
We
also
lost
a
police
dog,
his
name,
his
canine,
that
canine
was
named
Drago,
and
that
was
very
important.
This
this
legislation
is
very
important
to
my
community
and
I.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward.
Thank.
O
You
Mr
chairman
I
would
like
to
add
also
to
that
that
with
KSP
I
believe
that
there's
three
three
of
these
dogs
throughout
the
state
that
needs
to
be
protected
under
this
death
definition,
we've
worked
with
Patrol
dogs,
narcotic
dogs,
search
and
rescue,
and
these
dogs
are
not
covered,
and
so
that's
why
we
was
here
today
to
ask
the
committee
to
adopt
these
dogs
into
this
definition.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
representative,
Stevenson.
Q
O
That's
the
sub,
that's
and
that's.
O
Added
in
at
the
last
minute,
without
any
of
our
discretion,.
Q
R
S
T
D
Q
O
O
A
O
A
O
A
Got
it
all
right?
Thank
you
very
much
and
the
next
one
we
got
up
on
the
list
is
House
Bill
373
by
representative
Blanton.
R
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
John
Blanton
represented
for
the
92nd
district
and
my
guest
with
me
today
is
director
John
Moberly
of
the
Kentucky
law
enforcement.
Council,
hereby
you're
going
to
hear
it
referred
to
as
klec.
R
So
we
welcome
director,
Moberly
and
appreciate
him
being
here.
I
do
have
a
committee
sub
I'd
asked
for
that
camisa.
We.
A
R
Very
good,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
House,
Bill
373
prior
to
the
committee
sub,
is
a
cleanup
language
for
the
Kentucky
law
enforcement
Council
over
the
past
I
believe
about
three
years
we've
passed
some
legislation
dealing
with
revocation
of
police
officer
certification
here
in
Kentucky
to
get
rid
of
our
Bad
actors
and
make
it
easier
for
them
to
pull
their
certification.
R
This
is
merely
some
cleanup
language
on
that,
along
with
it
would
replace
the
current
court
security
officer,
revocation
requirements
with
the
more
substantial
standards
within
KRS
15
391,
which
would
allow
for
all
sex
crime
convictions
to
be
prohibited
and
revocable,
unlike
currently
in
KRS.
Now
what
that's?
What
the
original
373
does?
What
the
committee
sub
does?
We
found
some
technical
errors
in
that
and
I
will
let
that
part
of
the
committee
sub
and
House
Bill
373
I'll.
Let
director
Moberly,
explain.
U
U
We
have
in
the
initial
submission
10
different
statutes
that
actually
go
back
back
into
about
2007.,
most
of
them
most
of
the
Amendments
that
we
are
addressing
did
come
after
2017,
but
most
of
these
involve
a
variety
of
things
involving
replication
clarifications,
certification
categories.
All
things
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
are
are
clear,
too
I'm,
sorry
that
are
that
are
clear
to
the
law
enforcement
to
the
public
that
we
serve.
U
The
the
the
Crux
of
some
of
the
changes
are
basically
removing
old
language.
In
many
cases,
a
statute
existed,
for
example,
involving
the
court
security
officers.
It
came
about
in
2007
that
was
updated
several
years
later
and
the
old
language
was
left.
So
we
wanted
to
clear
out
some
of
that
old
language.
We
wanted
to
ensure
that
we're
using
the
standards
that
have
been
passed
in
the
recent
years
for
revocation
purposes,
accountability
that
we're
applying
all
of
those
across
the
board,
and
that's
that's
another
piece
that
this
legislation
also
does.
U
For
example,
one
thing
that
that
we
had
asked
for
a
couple
years
ago
and
working
with
the
Chiefs
and
the
sheriff's
Association
was
to
to
have
the
ability
to
subpoena
information
involving
officers
who
have
broke
the
law,
broken
public
trust
and
the
language
that
had
been
provided
in.
That
did
not
allow
us
to
utilize
that
subpoena
power
until
a
13B
hearing
had
already
been
initiated.
U
We
actually
need
that
subpoena
power
just
in
case,
and
it
would
be
rare
actually
to
this
point.
We
have
had
nearly
100
cooperation
with
law
enforce,
but
we
need
that
just
in
case
there
is
a
situation
where
we
believe
there
is
additional
information
that
we
we
may
need
to
revoke
an
officer
on
it
all
comes
down
to
protecting
the
public
and
and
that's
what
what
this
language
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
with
this
house
bill
today.
R
And
now
I
will
finish
the
rest
of
the
committee
sub.
It
does
deal
with
pop
certifications
number
one.
It
would.
Apparently
we
have
had
a
situation
in
the
Commonwealth
recently
where
a
County
Judge
attempted
to
make
an
arrest
in
a
neighboring
County
we
have
found.
Actually,
there
is
some
statute
that
allows
some
limited
arrest
powers.
R
So
what
the
committee
said,
what
the
the
remainder
of
the
committee
sub
would
require
any
County
judge
executive
that
chooses
to
execute
these
powers
of
arrest.
They
would
have
to
have
a
pop
certification
provided
by
the
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training
in
Kentucky,
in
order
for
them
to
be
able
to
make
an
arrest.
So
I
have
spoken
with
several
County
judges
that
didn't
even
know
this
existed
and
they
have
no
intentions
of
doing
pop
certification
and
they
have
no
problem
with
us
putting
this
in
place.
R
Secondly,
it
would
require
all
future
sheriffs
in
the
Commonwealth
to
be
pop
certified
if
you'll
recall,
I
believe
it
was.
Last
year,
we
required
all
constables,
newly
elected
constables,
to
receive
this
train
as
well,
currently
in
Kentucky
there's
about
eight
or
nine
sheriffs
that
are
not
already
pop
certified
out
of
the
120..
R
We
would
grandfather
all
the
current
sheriffs
in
this
legislation.
Any
newly
elected
Sheriff
you
could
run
for
Sheriff,
you
could
be
elected,
you
could
serve,
but
if
you
didn't
have
the
pop
certification
after
this
goes
into
the
fact
you
just
wouldn't
have
arrest
Powers
police
officer
Powers.
So
we
are
grandfather
and
the
current
ones
in
I
have
spoke
with
the
sheriff's
Association
and
have
have
had
positive
communication
with
them
about
this
addition,
and
they
have
not
raised
any
concerns
at
this
point.
R
The
and
the
third
and
the
final
thing
it
does
is
it
does
the
same
thing
for
Deputy
jailers
as
it
does
for
sheriffs.
Actually,
Deputy
jailers
would
rarely
if
ever
ever
need
an
arrest
power,
and
so
it
would
require
empty
jailers
to
become
pop
certified
if
they
choose
to
use
any
arrest,
Powers
provided
in
that
position,
however,
they
could
still
serve
as
Deputy
jailers.
They
just
wouldn't
have
any
arrest,
Powers
again
rarely
ever
needed.
R
If
any
most
people
would
spend
a
career
as
a
deputy,
trailer
never
ever
need
that
power,
and
we
are
a
grandfather
in
all
current
ones
in
I
have
spoke
to
jailers
and
I
have
spoke
to
the
jailers
association,
and
at
this
time
the
conversations
have
been
positive
and
they've
raised
no
concerns,
that's
what
this
bill
with
the
committee
sub
will
do
in
its
totality,
and
we
would
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
Mr
chairman.
F
Representative
Blanton,
thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
representative
Blanton,
when
you
talk
about
arrest
power.
So
if,
if
a
guy
came
to
the
jail
to
turn
himself
in
and
they
can,
the
deputy
jailers
execute
a
NFTA
because
that's
arresting
them
right
will
they
still
be
able
to
serve
those
warrants?
If,
if
somebody
came
to
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
turned
herself
in,
could
they
execute
those
arrest
warrants
for
somebody
turning
herself
in.
U
So
in
Kentucky
is
fairly
unique,
so
there
is
a
pops
peace
officer,
Professional
Standards,
it's
it's
divided
into
two
pieces.
The
first
half
is
your
Fitness
testing.
There
is
no
cost
for
that.
You
also
have
drug
testing,
which
there
is
a
minimal
cost
for
that
less
than
twenty
dollars,
there's
a
polygraph
and
what
we
call
suitability
testing
altogether.
The
expense
is
around
120
dollars
per
individual.
K
And
is
that
usually
we'll
follow
it?
Please?
Is
that
usually
paid
by
the
by
the
individual
or
by
the
office?
Typically.
U
R
And
I
would
follow
that
up
going
through
the
pop
certification
actually
cost
several
thousand
dollars,
but
that
is
all
covered
in
our
dlcjt
to
actually
do
the
training.
But
the
lcjt
covers
that
expense.
K
U
Hint,
no
man,
I,
really
don't
I
I
I've
been
in
this
position
for
about
two
and
a
half
years
and
the
we
have
been
able
to
keep
our
expenses
down.
It
actually
cost
us
much
more
to
to
offer
these
Services.
We.
We
have
not
changed
the
actual
cost
in
about
15
years
or
maybe
a
little
bit
longer
so
that
that
has
not
been
something
that
has
really
come
up
or
raised
as
a
concern
by
the
Chiefs
or
sheriffs.
R
And
and
I
will
add
in
speaking
with
the
the
jugglers
Association
was
told
by
by
their
folks
that
jailers
had
actually
been
seeking
training
for
their
deputy
jailers
and
thought.
This
might
be
a
good
fit
for
them
because
they
had
been
for
the
last
few
years
trying
to
seek
out
training
for
the
deputy
jailers.
S
S
U
To
there's
a
they
take
the
test
as
a
peace,
Office
Professional
Standards
testing
make
sure
that
they
can
meet
all
the
standards.
They
start
the
academy
there's
a
test
by
Statute
that
they
have
to
take
first
day
or
within
the
first
few
days
of
the
academy,
there's
an
exit
test,
then,
after
that
the
requirement
becomes
in-service
training.
The
40
hours
are
required
training
per
year,
the
pops
testing
or
the
the
suitability.
Those
types
of
testing
are
not
required
annually.
After
that.
S
I
think
I
agree
with.
You
know
that
if
people
are
going
to
make
arrests,
they
need
to
have
that
certification.
My
concern
is,
we
have
constables
out
there
that
can't
get
into
the
academy.
So
you
have
plea
you
have
these
sheriffs
who
get
elected
and
you
have
other
people
that
are
two
years
out
trying
to
get
in
the
academy,
and
you
know
they,
so
they
want
to
go.
But
it's
not
a
fact
of.
H
S
A
fact
if
they
just
can't
get
in
because
there's
no
space
or
no
room
or
they
don't
have
the
funds.
So
how
do
we
handle
situations
like
that
when
we
have
a
sheriff
who's
elected?
We
have
a
constable
and
I
know:
constables
aren't
used
in
a
lot
of
places,
but
in
some
rural
areas
that's
their
only
piece.
That's
the
way
law
enforcement
agency
they
have.
So
how
are
we
going
to
handle
a
situation
when
you
have
a
constable
that
doesn't
you
know
is,
is
in
an
area?
S
R
Well,
first
of
all,
I
would
say
this
bill
doesn't
deal
with
constables.
Secondly,
I
would
say
that
no
one
is
impacted
to
where
they
can't
go
ahead
and
be
hired
and
be
doing
their
job.
They
just
can't
make
a
rest
until
that
availability
comes
open.
And
thirdly,
I
would
say
that
if
this
General
Assembly
would
find
a
way
to
find
more
funding
to
send
a
docjt,
we
could
solve
all
those
issues
about
getting
people
in
in
a
timely
manner
and
getting
them
trained.
It's
like
everything
else.
R
U
Yeah,
that
is
a
priority.
We
want
to
get
people
in
as
quickly
as
possible.
On
the
pops
testing
side,
we
we
oversee
the
accountability
of
all
Academies.
We
don't
have
a
backlog
on
the
pops
testing,
it's
about
six
seven
days
generally
and
we
we
offer
it
in
multiple
places
throughout
the
state.
We
want
to
be
as
accommodating
as
possible.
The
academies
I
know
for
dlcjt
in
particular,
which
is
this
has
affected.
U
Currently
so
we
are
looking
for
ways
to
to
try
to
I
know
the
training
side
of
it,
we're
looking
at
ways
to
to
offer
up
other
and
new
options
that
go
beyond
just
you
know,
bringing
people
to
to
Richmond,
and
these
are
conversations
that
multiple
academies
are
having
to
try
to
be
aware
of,
modernizing
the
training
and
Expediting
getting
these
folks
in,
because
it
is
important-
and
you
know,
with
the
shortage
of
law
enforcement,
it's
out
there
right
now,
it's
it's
really
at
the
critical
stage
that
we
prioritize
that
but
I
think
funding
is
much
much
needed
for
those
individuals.
N
Good
morning
a
question
for
you:
could
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
some
of
the
safety
precautions
when
it
comes
to
screening
folks
who,
who
you
might
be
recruiting?
We
talked
about
the
fact
that
they
go
through
the
academy
that
there's
polygraphs
that
there's
drug
testing
that
there's
physical
tests,
that
they
don't
have
arrest
Powers.
N
What
I'm
not
hearing
anything
about!
That's
really
critical
to
me
is
about
anybody
who
might
have
a
history
or
a
charge
of
a
sex
offense
against
a
child.
U
Go
ahead,
so
this
is,
this
is
critical.
I
mean
the
clear
thing
is
to
obtain
the
best
applicants
that
you
possibly
can,
and
so
Kentucky
has
really
taken
the
lead
nationally
to
identify
and
to
create
stronger,
revocation
laws,
basically
ability
to
remove
those
individuals,
but
the
the
the
house,
the
Senate,
just
in
the
last
year,
created
the
in
under
chapter
15
391.
Our
ability
to
stop
an
individual
has
had
has
had
any
sex
crime
in
their
background
from
ever
becoming
a
law
enforcement
officer.
U
We're
one
is
one
in
the
nation
that
has
gone
to
that.
Those
links,
the
the
actual
process
to
screen
these
individual
individuals
out
is
is
basically
called
suitability,
and
so
we
contract
with
a
an
organization
that
is
Ran
by
A
organization
of
psychologists
and
that's
what
they
help
us
with.
U
Basically,
they
identify
Flags
through
a
series
of
questioning
which
is
also
supported
by
the
polygraph,
and
that
information
in
itself
is
provided
back
to
the
Hiring
Agency
and
that
Hiring
Agency
should
take
that
information
and
with
those
flags
it
should
be
able
to
say
whether
this
person,
this
candidate,
is
a
good
candidate
or
there
are
strong
concerns
for
those
individuals
that
that
we
do
become
very
concerned
about
I
have
in
the
past,
have
made
personal
calls
to
to
a
sheriff
or
to
a
chief
to
say,
hey.
U
This
came
out
in
the
polygraph
I,
don't
know
if
you're
aware
of
this
just
be
aware,
and
and
typically
they
they
do
their
diligence
and
and
will
not
hire
somebody
that
type
of
background.
But
we're
always
looking
for
ways
to
to
not
only
streamline
but
to
ensure
that
we're
filtering
out,
because
we
we
want
the
best
that
we
possibly
can.
U
U
D
R
R
I
think
it
would
surprise
you
I
spent
time
reviewing
many
background
investigations.
How
small
of
a
thing
could
get
you
kicked
out
of
the
process?
That's
not
even
considered
criminal,
but
it's
about
having
the
best
people
in
these
positions
and
reiterate
what
director
Moberly
said.
The
fear
I
have
a
lot
of
times
when
I'm
sitting
here
in
Frankfurt,
and
we're
in
in
session
is
some
of
the
things
that
are
being
piled
on
law
enforcement
that
is
pushing
them
to
lower
their
standards.
R
When
we
lower
our
standards,
we're
going
to
have
more
problems
out
police,
we,
the
bigger
agencies,
say
very
high
standard,
but
when
you
get
forced
into
doing
things
and
we're
not
been
able
to
recruit
just
like
the
the
pay
that
was
given
to
KSP
last
year
that
helped
tremendously.
We
see
that
in
the
class
that
just
started
this
weekend
with
the
number
of
people,
and
so
those
type
things
help
us
to
hold
to
those
standards.
Now
a
sheriff
and
a
small
County
hiring
is
different
than
KSP
hiring.
N
U
Correct
that
that
is
a
a
clear
flag,
and
that
is
something
that,
unless
they
have
a
conviction
that
that
would
prohibit
them
under
statute
that
it's
somebody
that
could
be
hired.
N
So,
just
to
be
clear,
somebody
could
potentially
be
abusing
a
spouse,
a
partner
or
a
child,
and
as
long
as
charges
were
never
pressed
and
they
weren't
convicted,
they
could
be
hired.
Somebody
could
also
potentially
disclose
information
about
abusing
children
from
a
sexual
nature
and
could
still
be
hired
at
the
discretion
of
that
individual
they're.
N
That
is
a
real
red
flag
for
me
and
I
hope
that
that's
a
red
flag
for
other
people
that
are
sitting
on
this
committee.
As
somebody
who's
based
out
of
Jefferson
County.
We
had
a
real
issue
in
Louisville
with
a
program
called
the
Explorer
Program,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
children
that
were
hurt
in
the
presence
of
people
with
a
lot
of
power
where
they
should
have
been
safe
and
they
weren't.
A
You
and
just
for
clarification,
is
klec
or
or
doc
JT
the
hiring
authority
of
these
candidates
or.
A
F
A
Correct
okay,
thank
you
and
I.
Believe
representative
Gooch
has
a
question.
T
Thank
you
representative.
When
I
think
of
you
know,
the
Academy
I
think
it's
very,
very
extensive
training,
probably
very
rigorous
training.
I
guess.
My
question
is:
if,
when
you
talk
about
it,
maybe
a
local
sheriff
someone
who's
been
a
public
service
serving
all
their
life,
the
sizes
they're
going
to
run
for
a
sheriff
and
they
do
and
they're
you
know
middle
age
and
Beyond.
T
Is
there
a
possibility
that
I
don't
think
the
average
person
off
the
street
could
probably
go
in
and
and
do
that
training
at
the
Academy
without
having
first
been
in
good
shape
or
whatever
that's
my
question?
We
have
a
real
problem
with
someone
that
kind
of
like
the
sheriff,
because
he's
elected
by
the
people,
but
maybe
not
being
able
to
stand
up
to
the
to
the
rigors
of
the
training.
R
Well,
I
would
say:
I
would
first
of
all
contend
that
still
be
Sheriff.
We
have
several
sheriffs
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
who
who
basically
serve
as
administrator
their
office,
they're,
not
out
doing
Patrol
duties
and
and
so
forth,
and
so
on
and
don't
utilize
those
arrest
Powers
they
could
still
serve
as
Sheriff,
doesn't,
doesn't
prevent
that
it
just
if
they're
utilizing
their
arrest
Powers
and
that
they
would
have
to
receive
the
pop
certification
and
it's
a
a
it's.
R
A
move
to
bring
more
professionalism
to
our
law
enforcement
in
the
Commonwealth.
T
Okay,
when
can
I
follow
up
one
question:
okay
and
I
understand
that
the
other
question
is
pop
certification
and
retraining.
One
of
the
prerequisites
that's
for
them.
Getting
the
the
bonuses,
that's
paid
out.
E
T
The
insurance
premium
tax-
yes,
okay!
So
if
you,
if
you
say
that
that
deputy
sheriff's
then
could
qualify
for
this,
then
they
they
probably
would
be
in
favor,
because
they're
probably
going
to
get
more
money,
Deputy.
A
Okay,
if
we
have
no
other
questions,
Mr
secretary
representative,.
M
F
F
H
And
kind
of
get
a
yes
vote
on
the
previous
two
bills.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
D
D
K
I'm
going
to
pass
on
this
today,
I
came
in
here,
of
course,
I'm
supportive
of
of
a
lot
of
what
you
said.
A
representative
I
agree,
just
as
with
police
officers
and
with
teachers.
I
think
that
we
don't
want
to
lower
our
standards
and
that
the
pay
helps
I.
Think
that
you
know
my
son
actually
in
high
school
has
chosen
a
pathway
of
law
enforcement
and
I
would
like
to
for
his
safety
and
the
safety
of
our
community
make
sure
that
they
have
the
best
training
possible.
A
J
Mr
chairman
members
of
committee,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
with
you
this
morning
so
joint
resolution.
69
does
one
thing:
it
directs
the
governor
to
recognize
the
newly
created
Board
of.
J
Absolutely
I'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
continue
with
my
background
and
I
think
this
will
answer
your
question.
So
basically
it
directs
the
governor
to
recognize
the
newly
created
Board
of
radon
safety
as
the
state
entity
to
receive
and
administer
the
U.S
Environmental
Protection
Agency
State
indoor
radon
grant
funding
in
accordance
with
statute.
J
So
by
way
of
background,
for
those
who
aren't
familiar
radon
is
the
second
leading
cause
of
lung
cancer
in
Kentucky,
and
it
kills
literally
thousands
each
year
and
this
committee
actually
heard
a
presentation
on
radon
this
past
November.
J
But
the
key
funding
mechanism
to
oversee
enforcement
in
programming
was
never
transferred
to
the
Department
of
Public
Health
over
to
the
new
board
as
House
Bill
77
directed
as
previously
as
previously
referenced.
This
funding
is
from
the
epa's
state
indoor,
radon
Grant,
commonly
referred
to
as
the
surge
program
and
krs-309.434
specifically
directed
these
surge
funds
to
be
administered
by
the
new
board
of
radon
safety.
J
But
the
governor
declined
to
certify
the
board
of
radon
safety
as
the
statute
directed
and
instead
named
The
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
as
the
entity
to
receive
those
funds.
So
this
this
resolution
basically
makes
it
clear
that
the
general
assembly's
intent
through
House
Bill
77
Remains,
the
Same
today,
which
is
for
these
funds
to
be
under
the
direction
of
the
board
of
radon
safety,
to
assist
with
enforcement
and
education
of
radon
safety
for
our
Commonwealth.
S
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
this.
So
basically,
the
federal
government
gave
us
money
for
Radon
a
radon
awareness
and
protection
program
for
the
people
that
are
dying
of
cancer
from
radon
in
our
state,
because
radon
levels
are
so
high
and
then
those
those
funds
were
kind
of
misappropriated
not
used
in
the
right
direction
by
the
governor.
Is
that
correct.
J
That's
who's
sending
the
who's
the
funds
are
for
from
The.
Surge
funds
are
from
the
EPA,
yes,.
M
I
may
ask
so
you
said
that
in
the
answer
to
the
question
to
representative
Brad,
the
funds
were
misappropriated,
so
I'm
not
understanding
that
the
funds
were
misappropriated.
What
I'm
understanding
is
that
the
governor's
office
said
that
another
agency
was
responsible
for
the
funds,
but
while
that's
not
following
the
intent
to
the
general
assembly
Could,
you
actually
call
that
misappropriation.
I
mean
the
funds
I'm,
not
understanding
how
that
would
be
misappropriation.
J
M
S
Q
Q
J
So
there
is
a
a
letter
from
the
EPA
dated
June
1st
of
2022.,
and
it
is
from
senior
General
law
attorney.
Robin
Allen
from
the
EPA
basically
are
basically
referencing,
House,
Bill,
77
and
and
I
will
I
will
read
a
quote
from
House
Bill
77.
J
Well,
the
the
funds
were
were
asked
to
be
sent
to
the
to
the
new
board
that
was
created
under
house
bill
77,
and
that
letter
we
were
actually
that
letter
was
sent
from
the
EPA
requesting
that
and
then
there
was
a
response
from
the
governor's
office.
J
The
the
response
was
requested
for
14
days,
that
was
in
June,
and
there
was
a
spot
response
on
September
27
2022
from
the
governor's
office
and
and
I
will
quote
the
letter,
and
it
says
this
letter
is
to
communicate
that
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
retains
the
designation
of
the
Department
of
Public
Health
within
Kentucky's
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
as
the
lead
state
agency
for
the
EPA
surge
on
behalf
of
Kentucky.
So
that
was
the
response,
but
House
Bill,
77
and
I
could
read.
Q
N
Question
so
I
was
not
here
in
2022,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear
as
well
as
anybody
else
here
who
might
benefit
from
this
house.
J
J
So
yes,
it
would
have,
it
would
have
previously
been
part
of
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services.
However,
once
again,
I
want
to
read
a
quote
from
the
from
the
statute
and
and
it's
I
think
it's
very
clear
and
I'll
I'll
read
it
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
room
for
misinterpretation.
J
It
basically
says
quote
that
was
so
the
so
the
legis.
Let
me
say
this:
the
legislator
created
the
Kentucky
Board
of
radon
safety
to
among
other
duties
and
then
quote
enter
into
agreements
with
any
federal
or
state
agency,
political
subdivision,
post-secondary
education,
institution,
non-profit
organization
or
other
person
or
entity
to
assist
and
administer
grants
received
by
the
board,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency
State
indoor
radon
grant
program.
End
quote
so
it's
very
clear.
N
N
N
J
From
my
understanding,
historically
that
they
that
there's
not
been
a
robot,
a
robust
program
for
Radon
safety
in
the
Commonwealth-
and
this
was
an
attempt
by
the
general
assembly
with
House
Bill
77,
to
create
a
new
board
that
would
put
greater
emphasis
in
in
attention
toward
education
of
radon
safety.
J
N
Can
both
things
exist?
I
guess
is
my
question.
We
have
the
board,
which
is
was
one
of
the
asks
right.
That
was
one
of
the
wins
that
you
got,
which
makes
sense,
I
think
there's,
obviously
a
need
for
it.
So
I'm
glad
that
that
passed
right,
I'm,
just
wondering
why
they're
neat,
why
we
need
to
to
do
anything
outside
of
that
other
than
to
use
them
in
their
expertise
to
advise
the
cabinet
where
the
grant
lives
so
that
they
can
administer
those
funds
most
appropriately
and
effectively
to
bring
down
those
cases
for
kentuckians.
J
V
I
may
Mr
chairman
go
ahead,
Chris
Nolan
with
the
Kentucky
I'm.
V
Sorry,
the
radon
safety
professionals
is
who
I
represent
and
been
following
this
issue
for
many
years
here
in
the
Commonwealth,
the
state
has
a
radon
program,
a
radon
mitigation
program
that
includes
both
the
certification,
which
used
to
be
licensure,
but
now
a
certification
of
radon
professionals
who
do
the
testing
and
Mitigation
Of
of
radon
in
Kentucky
in
homes
and
buildings,
and
businesses
and
and
schools,
and
the
like
in
that
program,
also
had
an
educational
component
to
it
as
well,
and
it
was
housed
in
the
Department
of
Public
Health.
V
So
when
the
state
radon
program
was
moved
from
the
Department
for
public
health
over
to
public
protection
cabinet
as
an
independent
board,
the
legislation
was
designed
for
all
those
Monies
to
then
follow
it
so
that
that
board
had
a
budget
to
actually
operate
and
enforce
the
cabinet
for
or
the
department
for,
public
health
was
not
enforcing
any
of
the
certification
requirements
of
Professionals
in
the
state
we
haven't
had
enforcement
in
years.
So
that's
why
the
whole
program
was
moved,
so
it
could
have
a
dedicated
enforcement
branch.
V
So
the
the
language
of
this
resolution
simply
reiterate
reiterates.
The
intent
of
the
general
assembly
is
for
the
board
to
have
those
funds
in
order
to
operate.
A
I
I
have
a
question
here
house
last
year:
House
Bill
77.
Did
it
direct
or
request
this
money
be
transferred.
V
I
would
say,
probably
both,
because
it
very
clearly
in
statute
says
that
the
board
shall
be
able
to
accept
and
and
expend
funds
that
are
given
to
it,
including
the
funds
from
the
federal
EPA
surge
Grant,
which
is
the
bulk
of
the
funds
that
the
state
has
received.
For
the
management
of
the
radon
program.
For
the
state.
R
R
And
so
in
2022
the
general
assembly
passed
a
piece
of
legislation
establishing
all
this.
It
went
through
the
process.
It
was
signed
into
law
by
governor
and
becomes
law
of
the
land.
Correct,
correct
and
all
your
resolution
is
doing
is
saying
it's
the
law
and
we
must
follow
it.
Is
that
correct,
correct
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
all
the
things
that's
going
on
for
those
people
watching
at
home
for
the
smoke
of
mirrors.
This
is
law
in
Kentucky.
R
M
Blanton
just
said:
we
also
need
to
read
these
laws
and
know
exactly
what
they
say.
So
the
law
in
House
Bill
77
said
that
the
board
shall
enter
into
agreements
with
federal
estate
agencies,
including
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency
I,
don't
see
language
in
this
bill
that
says
that
the
money
must
be
transferred,
and
my
question
is:
if
the
cabinet
entered
into
the
agreement,
the
board
didn't
enter
the
agreement.
I
don't
see
language
in
the
bill
as
written.
That
says
that
the
the
money
needs
to
be
transferred.
M
So
it's
semantics,
but
I
think
when
we
have
the
law
and
we
read
what
it
says,
we
need
to
follow
what
it
says
and
if
it's
not
stated
correctly,
then
we
need
to
change
it,
but
but
it
does
say
that
they
shall
enter
into
agreements.
It
does
not
specifically
say
that
agreements
should
be
transferred
to
them.
M
M
D
S
O
A
We're
going
to
keep
the
meeting
open
for
a
minute.
We
have
some
people
that
are
in
another
Committee
hearing
and
hopefully
we'll
get
them
over
here
in
just
a
second.
M
A
E
Another
to
try
to
get
one
more
vote
for
anyone
who's
left
here.
Still
that
didn't
run
off
to
another
meeting
or
another
event
there.
The
National,
Guard
Boone
National
Guard
on
March
13th
at
10
o'clock,
we're
hoping
session
will
either
be
two
or
four,
but
from
ten
to
two
has
invited
us
over
to
Boone
Center
for
a
brief
in
from
General
Lamberton
and
then
also
an
air
flight
over
Frankfurt
in
helicopters.