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A
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this
the
second
meeting
of
the
senate
community
education
to
order
appreciate
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being
here
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President
of
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we
do
have
a
quorum
members
also
ask
if
you
would
just
please
put
your
cell
phones
on
vibrate
as
we
get
started.
We
have
one
bill
for
consideration
today:
that's
senate
bill,
77
an
act
related
to
superintendent,
screening
committees,
the
sponsor
center
rocky
adams,
senator
adams,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
if
you
would
please
introduce
yourself
and
your
guests
for
the
record.
D
Sure,
thank
you
very
much
julie,
rocky
adams,
senate
district
36
and
I
just
left
the
licensing
and
occupations
committee
where
they're
discussing
historical
horse
racing
and
so
senator
thomas
is
still
over
there
and
I
said
well,
I
think
we
have
to
go,
but
so
he
said
he'll
come
over
if
he
needs
to.
D
D
Yeah,
that's
so
funny,
but-
and
also
I
want
to
I'm
here
really
because
of
my
partnership
with
senator
gerald
neal
on
this
initiative-
and
you
know
we're
talking
about
increasing
minority
representation
on
superintendent
screening
committees
and
senator
neil
has
been
really
instrumental
in
wanting
to
partner
and
get
this
passed.
It
means
a
lot
to
jefferson
county
and
it
means
a
lot
to
senator
neil,
and
I
really
am
I'm
grateful
for
his
leadership
and
his
partnership
on
this.
D
D
The
additional
four
seats
would
be
reserved
for
minority
representatives,
and
so
there
are
only
what
six
districts
one
two
three
four
five,
six
seven
eight
there's
eight
districts
that
this
would
affect
and
those
eight
districts
that
this
would
affect
directly
have
all
signed
on
in
support
of
this
bill.
Those
districts
are
bowling:
green
christian,
county,
fayette,
fulton,
jefferson,
mayfield
and
paducah,
and
so
all
eight
of
those
we've
been
really
grateful
to
work
with
them
and
they
are
very
supportive
and
then,
lastly,
why
this
bill
is
needed.
D
You
know
we've
had
instances
in
kentucky
that
have
shown
that
minority
representation
doesn't
really
happen.
Naturally,
as
an
example,
during
the
last
vacancy
in
jefferson
county,
there
were
no
minority
representatives
elected
naturally
through
this
process,
and
so
the
district
represents
about
a
hundred
thousand
people
hundred
thousand
students,
of
whom
nearly
sixty
percent
are
of
color.
D
So
a
special
election
had
to
be
held
to
include
a
minority
parent
on
the
committee,
meaning
that
voices
of
many
communities
of
colors
were
disenfranchised
in
our
community.
So
that's
kind
of
why
we
thought
this
bill
was
important
to
bring
and
with
me
today
is
abby
piper
from
the
jefferson
county,
public
schools.
E
Thank
you.
I
know
that
your
time
is
limited
and
there's
a
lot
to
do
this
session.
We
everyone
comes
up
here
and
says,
thank
you
for
how's
that
better
apologies
brave
new
world
here
in
2021..
I
know
everyone
comes
up
here
and
says.
Thank
you
for
having
us
today.
I
truly
am
grateful.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
competing
interest
this
session
and
very
grateful
to
leadership
for
making
this
a
priority.
So,
as
julie
says,
this
really
deals
with
only
a
handful
of
districts
in
kentucky.
E
So
really
this
bill
just
takes
that
idea
of
creating
that
stakeholder
feedback
for
superintendent
selection
committees
and
for
boards
of
education
to
make
that
decision
and
make
sure
that
the
stakeholders
to
a
reasonable
degree
are
representative
of
the
communities
that
they
serve.
That's
all
that
we
have
for
you,
but
we'll
take
any
questions.
F
Thank
you
miss
chair
and
mr
appreciate
you
being
here
you
and
I
talked
on
telephone,
and
I
sent
you
an
email
yesterday
about
this,
and
I
have
no
problem
at
all
with
the
intent
of
this.
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish,
but,
as
I
said
in
my
email
to
you,
you've
got
eight
school
districts
that
this
is
an
issue
all
have
agreed
to
support
this
bill.
E
E
Naturally,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that,
but
I
will
also
say
that
you
know
it's
accurate
in
the
sort
of,
in
the
limited
sense
that
a
board
could
theoretically
create
additional
voices,
but
boards
of
education
do
what
the
law
tells
them
to
do,
and
so
this
krs
160.352
says
boards
shall
have
a
superintendent
screening
committee
that
they
shall
establish
a
membership
in
the
manner
that's
set
forth
in
statute,
so
boards
are
going
to
do
what
they
have
to
do
by
law.
E
This
allows
those
boards
to
to
create
that
environment
where
we
know
minority
voices
will
be
heard,
and
there
is
statutory
precedent
for
that.
This
law
already
has
a
kick
in
at
eight
percent
minority
representation
that
required.
That's
the
reason,
frankly,
that
we
had
a
special
apparent
election
last
time
that
our
district
went
through
this
process
to
have
a
minority
representative.
F
I'm
telling
you
I'm
really
struggling
with
this,
because,
if
you're
relying
upon
somebody
from
grayson
county
kentucky
to
tell
jefferson
county
what
they
should
do
with
selecting
school
superintendents,
it's
very
problematic
for
me-
and
I
know
we've
got
a
limited
amount
of
time
here,
but
I
was
sharing.
One
of
my
colleagues
yesterday
reminds
me
of
the
book
of
galatians,
where
saint
paul
reminds
the
church
that
you're
going
to
your
old
ways,
you're
relying
on
laws
you're
not
having
a
change
of
heart,
and
you
pass
all
the
laws
you
want
to.
F
But
unless
you
have
a
change
of
heart
and
true
to
recognize,
you
have
an
issue
in
your
community.
This
is
not
it's
going
to
be
mean
meaningless
to
you.
It's
going
to
be
an
empty
process,
and
again
I
don't
understand
if
the
communities
have
already
embraced
this
bill,
why
aren't
we
challenging
the
school
boards
who
are
elected
to
represent
their
communities?
F
To
do
this
without
a
state
law
plus
it
becomes
a
standard
for
everybody
else,
and
one
size
does
not
fit
all
in
kentucky
and
at
some
future
point
in
time.
We're
gonna
have
to
come
back
and
change.
This
again,
but
I
think
this
is
an
overreach
of
state
government.
I
think
it
dilutes
the
responsibilities
of
school
board
members
which
in
many
cases
already
been
deluded,
but
I
would
hate
to
pass
this
bill
and
somebody
in
jefferson,
county
or
one
of
these
other
communities
say.
Why
did
you
all
do
this?
F
I
think
the
only
way
you
ever
be
successful
in
achieving
this
racial
divide
is
to
change
the
hearts
of
people
within
your
community,
and
this
bill
does
not
do
that.
If
you're
relying
on
us
to
mandate
that
you
have
to
do
this,
all
you're
going
to
get
is
pushback
or
you're
going
to
have
half-hearted
participation
in
this
because
well
the
state
told
us
to
do
it.
It
makes
no
sense.
F
E
So
I
will
address
that
and
I
think
it's
a
valid
question
to
walk
through
the
the
process
that
is
outlined
in
statute
is
an
elective
process.
So
that
means,
when
you
have
your
parents,
your
teachers,
that
are
those
members
that
are
chosen.
E
They
are
elected
by
the
pta
by
a
member,
the
the
principals
in
the
district
etc,
and
that
elective
process
does
not
always
yield
a
minority
candidate
and
in
many
respects,
that
has
to
do
with
the
issues
that
we
have
with
minority
teacher
recruitment
and
retention
and
with
minority
pipeline
leadership
pipelines
so
that
there
are
fewer.
Frankly,
there
are
fewer
minority
teachers
and
fewer
minority
principals
in
the
pipeline
anyway.
E
To
be
to
be
up
for
this,
that's
something
that
we
as
a
community
have
to
work
through.
Jefferson
county
is
working
through
as
we
as
we
speak
right
now
through
minority
teacher
recruitment
programs
and
pipeline
programs
for
principals,
but
that's
long
hard
work,
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
if
more
than
half
of
the
students
in
the
district
are
minority
students
that
there
is
a
mechanism
to
ensure
that
those
voices
are
provided.
F
Well,
I
don't
want
that
mechanism
to
be
in
place,
but
again,
mr
chair,
I
struggle
with
this
so
much
because
I
don't
understand
if,
if
jefferson
came
school
system
understands
this
is
an
issue.
The
community
understands
an
issue
why
the
school
board
doesn't
say
here's
what
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future.
The.
D
The
school
board
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
do
it
right
now,
and
so
let's
say
that
we
move
10
years
down
the
line,
and
we
don't
have
that
same
kind
of
you
know
genesis
as
far
as
trying
to
do
better
with
regard
to
our
minority
and
students
of
color.
This
allows
us
to
maintain
that
kind
of
good
path
forward
and
making
sure
that
that
representation
is
insured.
D
F
F
Then
maybe
we
need
to
focus
on
that
part
of
it
because
that's
wrong.
These
changes
have
to
have
to
start
at
the
community
level,
not
the
state
level.
This
is
a
terrible,
terrible
precedent.
I
think
we're
sitting
it's
it's
very
disturbing,
and
maybe
I
understand
now
why
our
school
systems
struggle
as
much
as
they
do
and
why
we
have
a
difficulty
recruiting
people
to
to
run
for
school
board
positions,
because
if
they
don't
have
the
authority
to
do
what's
best
for
their
own
home
communities,
then
this
whole
system
needs
to
be
just
scrapped.
G
Thank
you.
If
I
follow
my
good
friend's
logic,
there's
no
need
for
us
to
pass
a
whole
bevy
of
laws
across
all
kinds
of
issues
that
we
have
across
state
government.
In
fact,
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
in
this
state
and
I'm
not
just
representing,
for
instance,
district
33,
I'm
also
representing
the
interests
across
the
commonwealth
itself.
G
G
So
I
posed
I
proposed
at
that
time
because
I'm
not
naive.
I've
lived
a
life
of
pushback
waiting
for
people
to
change
their
hearts.
In
fact,
some
of
those
hearts
will
never
change.
That's
I'm
convinced
of
that.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is:
is
we
have
a
total
school
system
which
requires
the
input
and
involvement
and
engagement
of
all
and
the
question
I
put
to
them
was:
I
think
we
need
something
in
place,
because
I
just
don't
think
this
is
going
to
happen.
They
said
well,
no,
let's
not
do
that.
G
G
G
So
I
ask
that
I
ask
everyone
to
consider
that
I
could
talk
in
more
stark
terms,
but
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
and
I'll
be
glad
to
talk
to
my
good
friend,
the
senator
when
we're
finished.
In
fact,
I'm
going
to
go
to
him
and
I'm
going
to
corner
him
in
his
office.
He
doesn't
want
me
in
mind
and
hopefully
we'll
help,
and
I
know
we'll
have
a
good
discussion
and
maybe
we
both
will
learn
something
from
it.
I'm
sorry,
if
I
took
too
much
time.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
point
of
clarification
on
this.
So
what
you're
telling
us
this
dovetails
with
senator
mayor
this
question
so
currently
under
current
law,
you're,
saying
that
the
jefferson
county
school
board
could
not,
on
their
own
volition,
set
up
a
work
group
dealing
with
minority
issues.
Kind
of
similar
to
this.
That's
in
the
bill
and
the
work
group
comes
back,
gives
the
recommendations.
D
But
let's
say
we
have
another
superintendent
selection
in
six
years
and
then
we
kind
of
don't
have
the
same
group
of
people
with
the
same
kind
of
sentiment
or
same
hearts,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
the
rub
is.
Is
that
this
would
give
that
directive
to
always
have
that
inclusion
for
black
and
brown
students
of
color
to
have
that
seat
at
the
table.
H
So
I'm
having
a
problem,
so
they
have
the
authority
to
do
it.
They
may
not
necessarily
always
have
the
political
will
to
do
that.
Okay,
which
kind
of
contradicts.
I
think
what
I
don't
think
that's
the
answer
we
got
previously
is
that.
E
And
if
I
may,
just
briefly
the
when
we
talk
about
authority,
the
original
question
being
does
jefferson
county?
Does
any
district
have
the
authority
to
add
members
to
this
screening
committee?
The
answer
to
that
question
is
no
the
authority
for
that
lies
within
the
statute.
The
question
that
you've
asked
is:
can
a
separate
working
group
be
formed,
which,
of
course,
the
answer
is
yes,.
E
D
H
I
I
If
the
problem
is
there,
the
local
body
making
the
decision
to
do
this,
it
would
have
a
lot
more
clout
and
we'll
probably
do
a
lot
more
healing,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
from
what
I
can
gather
under
under
subsection
three
on
page
one.
That
is
the
reason
why
we're
doing
this
just.
D
I
D
I
And-
and
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
senator
meredith's
point
is
accurate-
that
sure.
H
I
C
C
So
the
way
I
see
this
bill
in
reality,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
different
thresholds.
I
would
love
to
think
about.
You
know
50.
When
I
first
looked,
I
was
like
well,
that's
a
you
know.
I
can
see
why
we're
doing
it,
but
then
you
wonder
about
the
district
that
only
has
48
percent.
They
feel
left
out,
because
the
last
the
next
threshold
is
eight.
I
mean
there's
a
ton
of
places
where
I
could
sit
here
and
think
you
know
we
could
rewrite
this,
but
I
going
back
to
what
senator
meredith
said.
C
Almost
it's
a
joke,
because
if
it's
over
50
percent,
it's
not
the
minority,
and
so
at
that
point
the
people
who
are
in
control
of
let's
say
the
entire:
the
elections
and
it's
fine
and
I
I
hate
to
bring
up
even
the
topic
of
race
because
to
me
we
should
be
long
past
this,
but
I've
got
constituents
that
work
in
schools
and
they've
got.
You
know
99,
if
not
100
percent
of
their
students
are
african-american,
and
I
understand
that
that's
just
it's
just
a
whole
different
situation.
C
I
mean
we've
got
a
lot
of
different
factors
involved
and
I've
been
in
that
situation
of
being
a
minority
where
you're
literally
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
run
a
shadow
work
group.
While
the
vote
get
vote.
Taking
body
is
over
here
doing
their
thing
and
do
not
represent
the
values
of
the
whole,
and
I
understand
how
that
can
become
the
situation
where
the
vote
made.
C
The
decision-making
body
doesn't
actually
represent
the
whole,
and
so
that
is
why
I
am
fine
with
having
this
extra
four
people
added
to
it,
and
I'm
not
gonna
sit
here
and
say
whether
it
should
have
been
four
or
five
or
six.
But
in
any
event
in
that,
I
think
that
the
overall
goal
here
is
pretty
much
at
least
a
starting
point.
What
we
can
do
and
to
clarify.
I
think
what
abby
had
just
said.
C
Yes,
when
we
set
things
in
statute,
boards
aren't
going
to
go
against
that
they're
just
not
and
sec,
and
we
don't
need
to
relegate
any
additional
efforts
to
a
shadow
work
group
that
doesn't
actually
have
a
vote,
and
so
we,
you
know,
make
those
all.
Even
I
think,
that's
good,
and
why
sportsville?
I
guess
there
was
no
question.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Welcome.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
before
I
say
I
was
going
to
say,
I
want
to
go
back
to
something
that
senator
southworth
said,
and
that
is
I
I
couldn't
disagree
more
with
with
her
position
about
the
question
of
race.
I
think
the
biggest
problem
we
have
in
america
today
is
that
we
don't
talk
about
race.
We
want
to
hide
it
hide
from
it.
We
want
to
ignore
it
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
the
problems
we
have
in
this
country
today.
J
I
think
the
good
thing
we
one
of
the
few
good
things
that
came
from
2020
is
about
to
issue
a
race
front
and
center
to
our
to
our
living
rooms
and
to
our
homes
into
our
workplaces
and
made
us
have
to
deal
with
that,
and
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
for
america
going
forward,
so
I
don't
think
we
should
ignore
the
issue
of
race.
I
think
we
should
be
we
should.
We
must
talk
about
it.
We
have
to
talk
about
it
if
we're
going
to
get
to
a
better
place
in
this
land.
J
Now
senator
rocky
adams,
I
like
your
bill,
my
and
and
and
I
like
the
changes
that
have
been
made
to
it.
My
only
question
is
this
and
it
shouldn't
surprise
you
there's
and-
and
let
me
say
in
full
disclosure.
I
have
served
on
superintendent
screening
committee.
I've
been
voted
and
have
served
in
fayette
county
back
in
2004,
so
I
know
what
it's
like
to
be
on
the
superintendent's
screening
committee.
I've
had
that
experience.
J
The
glaring
omission
in
my
opinion
on
this
bill-
and
this
is
a
good
bill-
is
that
there's
no
student
representation
on
this
bill
and
I've
been
an
advocate
for
student
representation
and
student
voting
here
in
kentucky
for
a
long
time
and
will
continue
to
remain
an
advocate
for
having
a
student
voice
and
I'm
going
to
file
a
bill
to
to
encourage
a
student
voice
in
school
board
elections.
J
J
That's
why
I
say
it's
a
glowing
omission,
because
that
group,
that's
most
impacted
by
the
decisions
of
the
superintendent
and
the
school
board,
have
no
voice,
and
I
think
that's
wrong
and
it's
going
back
to
what
I
said
earlier.
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
all
voices
are
heard
in
america
and
in
this
state.
D
G
H
Givens
is
voting
I
from
his
from
his
frankfurt
office,.
F
I
would
vote
eye
on
this
bill,
because
if
this
is
an
issue
for
him
and
causes
his
community
to
stumble,
then
it's
not
my
place
to
put
a
barrier
up,
but
just
want
to
say.
I
don't
think
this
is
the
solution
you,
the
solution
is:
we've
got
to
love
one
another
and
you
can't
pass
a
law
to
make
people
love
one
another.
F
It's
got
to
come
from
action
and
the
action
starts
in
these
respective
communities
where
those
local
leaders
step
up
and
say
we
need
to
do
this
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
not
because
it's
a
state
law,
but
again
because
of
my
respect
and
admiration
for
cinderneal
and
my
love
for
him
as
a
brother
in
christ.
I
vote.
I
thank
you.
G
Because
I've
been
inspired
and
warned
by
the
comments
of
my
good
friend,
the
senator,
I
feel
obligated
to
continue
this
discussion
with
him
to
because
I
think
we're
probably
on
the
same
page
actually,
because
I
think
he's
right
about
love
and
I
just
saw
a
demonstration
of
it
and
I
thank
him
for
it.
I.
C
A
H
I'm
gonna
vote
no
on
this
piece
of
legislation.
The
I
realize
there
are
huge
problems
in
jcps
and
several
other
districts
related
to
race
minority
status.
All
these
different
things.
I
get
it
my
no
votes
based
totally
on
process.
I
think
this
is
another
layer
of
process
that
doesn't
help
solve
the
problem.
Much
as
senator
meredith
has
stated,
and
I
do
want
to
clarify.
I'm
voting
no
and
but
senator
meredith
has
put
me
in
a
spot.
H
A
A
This
is
the
education
committee
and
I
think,
we've
educated
ourselves
on
a
lot
of
issues
with
this,
and
so
I
just
appreciate
the
open
dialogue
and
ability
for
everyone
in
this
room
to
continue
to
work
together
it
it's
it's
a
blessing
to
be
chairman
of
this
committee,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
discussion
that
we
had
today
and
I
do
vote
I
the
bill
does
pass
and
we
will
advance
the
bill
on.
Is
there
seen
there's
no
other.