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A
A
C
D
A
E
Explain
my
vote
briefly.
Certainly
Mr
Sherman
I'm
going
to
be
voting
high
today
and
the
reason
I'm
voting
I
is
because
back
a
few
weeks
ago,
TVA
was
here
and
their
response
to
my
questions
were
that
coal
was
more
reliable,
more
efficient
than
Renewables
and
that
it
was
a
cheaper
form
of
energy
than
Renewables
and
all
we're
doing
is
trying
to
preserve
the
most
effective,
cost-effective,
Reliant,
cheapest
energy
for
our
constituents
and
I.
Believe
there
is
a
a
broad,
false
narrative
going
out.
E
F
F
I'd
like
to
explain
my
yes
vote,
yes,
go
ahead,
I
am
voting
yes
on
this.
The
reason
I'm
voting,
yes,
is
because
I
do
think
it's
an
important
policy
discussion
and
direction
to
have
for
the
PSC
to
consider
reliability
and
I.
Think
it's
a
worthy
discussion
that
we
consider
that,
even
if
there
could
be
a
increase
in
rates
I'm,
not
saying
that
there
would
be,
but
I
do
think
that's
a
worthy
policy
discussion
have
my
concern
with
this
is
how
it
could
potentially
curb
or
have
a
negative
impact
on
our
state.
F
But
the
fact
that
this
will
allow
the
PSC
to
factor
in
reliability.
I
think
is
a
good
thing,
so
I'll
be
voting
yesterday.
Thank
you.
G
In
the
last
few
years
the
coal-fired
plant
was
demolished
in
my
in
my
area,
and
our
power
bills
have
went
up
extremely
because
of
that
very
thing,
and
you
know
the
people
of
East
Kentucky
absolutely
deserve
to
have
the
PSC
look
at
a
reliable
replacement
for
the
coal
industry
we
deserve
to
have
that
and
for
the
PSC
to
ignore
reliability
is
to
ignore
the
needs
of
the
people
of
East,
Kentucky
and
Rural
Kentucky,
and
so
I
vote,
Yes
and
hopefully
and
prayerfully
that
ignorance
from
Washington
will
stop
and
the
regulations
that
they
put
on
are
coal-fired
plants
or
somebody
else
stand
up
there
and
take
those
regulations
away.
G
B
H
H
I've
also
been
given
information
people
that
that
I
respect
in
this
area
that
have
led
me
to
believe
that
the
bill
as
written
has
some
potential
substantial
legal
and
practical
problems
that
could
unreasonably
burden
taxpayers
and-
and
you
know,
in
order
to
advance
continued
operation
of
coal
fired
generation
units
that
maybe
should
be
retired
because
of
inefficiency,
cost
of
Opera
operation
relative
to
cleaner
energy
sources
and
also
relative
additional
pollutant
contributions.
H
I
will
tell
you,
in
my
area,
in
Jefferson,
County
I
grew
up
in
Southwest,
Jefferson,
County
and,
quite
frankly
make
a
long
story
short.
We
had
shorter
life
expectancies
in
higher
incidences
in
West,
Louisville
and
Southwest
Jefferson
County,
being
downwind
of
of
the
the
air
in
an
entertainment
Zone
that
we
were
dealing
with
with
higher
respiratory
issues
and
Cancers
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
Clean
Air
Act
was
a
good
thing
and
that
we
are
trying
to
move
toward
cleaner
energies
and
I.
H
Think
the
the
right
way
to
do
things
moving
forward
is
always
going
to
be
a
mixed
sort
of
approach
and,
as
you
know,
it's
very
true
that
that
some
of
these
cleaner
energies
are
less
reliable,
I
think
in
time,
they're
going
to
get
more
reliable,
but
we
should
also
always
be
in
consideration
of
are
options
that
are
out
there
and
handle
it
from
a
mixed
use.
Standpoint
moving
forward,
so
I'm
going
to
be
a
no
today
against
this
particular
bill
as
it
is
written.
Thank
you.
C
They
don't
feel
that
this
bill
makes
sense
environmentally
economically
or
in
terms
of
reliability
and,
as
you've
heard
me
say
on
this
at
the
house
floor,
I
am
a
futurist
I'm
excited
about
what
the
direction
that
technology
is
going
and
I
know
that
we'll
need
more
energy
in
the
future,
but
we
need
21st
century
energy
and
this
bill
disincentivizes
and,
in
fact,
instructs
energy
companies
to
ignore
the
incentives
that
move
them
into
the
21st
century.
So
because
I
disagree,
ironically
with
the
government
overreach
of
this
body,
I
am
voting.
No
thank
you.
D
D
We
have
no
control
over
the
federal
side
to,
but
at
least
we're
taking
a
stance
at
least
we're
showing
our
our
side
of
it
here
in
Kentucky,
where
our
members
stand
and
I
appreciate
us
being
able
to
take
this
vote
to
stand
for
our
fossil
stand
for
our
production
and
and
I
I.
Consider
it
an
honor
today
to
to
vote
for
this
piece
of
legislation.
So
it's
a
yes
thank
you,
representative,.
B
I
Explain
my
vote.
Yes.
Over
the
last
six
months,
we've
had
the
North
American
Electric
reliability,
Corporation
the
grid
operator,
miso
great
operator,
pjm,
OSU
white
papers,
warning
us
of
the
reliability
crash
collision
course
that
we're
on
and
I've
received
a
lot
of
emails
from
a
particular
organization
about
this
Boogeyman
rate
increase
that
we're
going
to
have
in
in
the
gentleman
from
well
representative
Fugue
had
mentioned
that
earlier.
I
think
their
power
bill
went
up
78
percent
over
from
2011
to
2022
Elgin
Esau,
33
percent.
I
In
the
same
time,
period
Duke
Energy
saw
48
increase
in
their
rates
as
well.
Gentlemen,
the
the
boogeyman's
already
here,
if
that's
the
case,
and
to
add
the
addition
to
that
we're
going
to
have
a
reliability
factor
that
that
we
need
to
deal
with
so
for
that
reason,
I
will
definitely
be
voting
yes
on
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Chair
Gooch,
let
me
explain
my
vote
as
well
and
I
vote
I
and
you
know
I've
been
here
for
several
several
years,
and
the
electricity
rates
have
gone
up
ever
since
I've
been
here
and
some
of
the
people
that
are
today
talking
about
how
concerned
they
are
that
rates
are
going
to
increase,
have
never
said
a
word
in
the
past
about
about
the
rate
increases,
so
I
do
believe
that
there
may
be
an
instance
where
we
might
be
required
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
for
reliability,
but
I
think
that
might
be
very
well
spent
to
make
sure
that
when
our
citizens
flip
that
light
switch,
the
lights
are
on.
A
J
Thank
you,
chairman
Gooch
and
members
of
the
committee.
It's
an
honor
to
appear
before
you,
Senator,
Philip,
wheeler,
31st,
Senate
District,
said
about
192
is
essentially
a
bill
about
writing
past
wrong.
One
that's
been
discussed
today
by
representative
fugit
related
to
the
closure
of
the
Big
Sandy
Coal
Fire
plant
Louisa
Kentucky,
a
closure
that
cost
over
200
jobs
and
and
nearly
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
the
school
system.
J
In
addition,
it
has
left,
even
though
the
plant,
the
coal
generator,
is
now
gone.
The
rate
payers
are
still
left
paying
for
the
remaining
life
on
that
plant
in
the
form
of
the
Big
Sandy
Rider,
which
you
know
appears
on
every
electric
bill
and
is
a
pretty
substantial
cost
of
the
electric
bill
that
represent
a
few
get
described
so
accurately.
J
J
The
end
result
will
be
that
instead
of
retiring
this
debt
at
a
a
seven
to
ten
percent
annual
return,
it
will
be
retired
at
a
much
lower
rate,
resulting
in
about
10
million
seven
to
ten
million
dollars
in
annual
savings
to
the
rate
payers
of
Eastern
Kentucky,
which
is
one
of
the
poorest
regions
of
the
state
and
which
has
been
no.
A
G
A
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'd,
just
like
to
say
senator
thank
you
for
bringing
this
legislation
that
will
give
some
relief
to
those
who
are
on
limited
income,
whose
power
rates
I've
got
a
lady
in
our
church
that
draws
about
652
dollars
a
month.
Last
month,
her
her
power
bill
was
489
dollars.
Her
rent
is
250.
If
you
add
that
up,
she
can't
eat
anything
or
take
any
medicine
and
she's
still
in
the
hole,
and
so
thank
you
for
bringing
this
legislation
and
and
I
appreciate
it
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
A
G
H
I
A
Share
gooch,
let
me
explain
my
vote
again
Senator.
Thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
bill
and
I
I
hope
that
it
really
does
provide
a
rate
relief
for
the
citizens
in
in
your
area
and
in
the
area.
Many
of
our
our
colleagues
here
today
and.
C
A
You
know
so
many
people
claim
to
be
consumer
Advocates,
but
they
never
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is
and
they
always
you
know
they
never
complain
when
they
see
policies
that
come
from
Washington.
That
we
know
are
going
to
raise
rates,
but
they
never
complain
about
those.
But
then
they
want
to
convene
and
say
you
know
we're
here
on
the
side
of
the
consumer
and
I
think
this
calls
them
out
we're
the
ones
that
really
do
consider
ourselves:
consumer
Advocates.
So
with
that
I
vote,
I
well,.
J
Chairman
I
want
to
thank
you,
and
especially
for
your
leadership
on
this
issue
and
and
really
I
mean
your
continued
leadership
for
years.
On
this
very
issue,
I
mean
this
is
not
a
silver
bullet,
but
it's
an
important
first
step
to
bring
reasonableness
back
to
the
utility
rates
in
Eastern,
Kentucky
and
I
want
to
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
all
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart.
For
that,
lady,
that's
drawing
600
a
month
costs
every
little
bit
of
relief
you
can
give
her
is
is
important.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
Richard
Smith:
are
you
going
to
be
oh
yeah
I'm
going
to
be
returning
the
favor
and
he
passed
a
bill
out
of
his
one
of
my
bills
at
his
committee
today
and
hope
to
be
able
to
do
the
same.
K
On
yeah
I
guess
you
noticed
it's
good
to
be
back
in
front
of
my
old
chamber
over
with
the
house.
Members
and
I
appreciate
you
hearing
this
bill.
277
is
a
bill
of
the
cabinet
brought
to
us
to
take
a
look
at,
and
it
allows
us
to
go
in
and
look
at
these
dams
and
assess
if
there
are
high
risk
medium
risk
and
come
up
with
some
sort
of
quantifiable
inspection
or
or
steps
to
go
through
to
guarantee
that
these
dams
are
in
good
shape.
Okay,.
A
K
K
To
work
on
that
representative
just
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen
in
the
future.
It
was
an
amendment
Amendment.
If
I
may
remember,
we
we
had
the
South
and
then
very
often,
as
you
all
know,
the
cabinet
will
bring
you
legislation,
but
I
think
it
was
an
amendment
that
got
added
to
the
end
that,
if
positive
to
get
derailed
and
I
actually
like
the
amendment.