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A
Hiding
welcome
to
the
senate
standing
committee
on
education.
I
do
call
this
meeting
to
order.
This
is
our
12th
meeting
this
legislative
session
and
welcome
everyone
if
you've
been
in
this
committee
before
you
know
that
I
always
ask
if
you
have
a
cell
phone,
if
you
please
return
that
to
silence
or
vibrate,
if
you're
in
the
audience
or
as
well
as
a
committee
member,
I
would
greatly
appreciate
that,
and
also
like
we
ask
in
all
of
our
committee
meetings.
We
will
conduct
this
with
civility
today.
A
A
President,
we
do
have
a
quorum,
we'll
do
the
constitution
to
do
business
today.
Just
so
everyone
knows
we
have
committee
meetings
that
have
been
running
all
afternoon
at
four
o'clock
today
is
a
health
and
welfare
meeting.
I
have
six
members
on
this
committee
that
will
have
a
meeting
this
afternoon
upon
adjournment
of
this
meeting,
we're
going
to
conduct
this
meeting
in
a
timely
fashion,
we're
going
to
accept
and
allow
all
testimony
from
those
that
have
signed
up
for
those
that
are
also
presenting
on
this,
but
I
will
limit
testimony
from
those
coming
to
the
table.
A
Besides
the
bill
sponsors
to
a
three
minute
limit.
Three
minutes,
I
think
that's
very
fair.
We've
heard
this
bill
already
in
the
house.
We've
had
a
lot
of
testimony
on
this,
but
I'm
I'm
asking
so
we
can
get
through
today's
business
as
well
as
health
and
welfare
for
those
members.
If
we
will
limit
that
to
three
minutes.
First
bill
on
the
agenda
for
today's
house
bill
nine
an
act
relating
to
educational
opportunities
in
making
an
appropriation.
Therefore,
the
representative
is
chad,
mccoy.
A
C
Good
afternoon,
senator
members
of
the
committee,
thanks
for
having
us
I'll
I'll,
let
pastor
stevens
stephen
son,
stephen
son,
introduce
himself
and
I'll
I'll.
Be
very
brief.
Mr
chairman,
I
know
we've
got
time
constraints
and
this
bill
has
been
vetted
quite
a
bit
in
the
house
and
on
the
floor
debate.
Let
me
just
break
it
down
like
this.
This
bill
does
three
big
things.
C
So
that's
that's
the
first
thing.
The
second
thing
it
does
and
remember,
under
current
law,
the
only
authorizers
that
are
allowed
in
the
state
of
kentucky
or
your
local
school
districts
that
does
not
change
under
current
law.
If
you
apply
to
your
local
school
district
and
they
deny
your
application,
you
can
appeal
to
the
kde
that
does
not
change
the
changes.
Are
this
when
it
comes
to
the
application
process
number
one.
We've
asked
the
kde
to
provide
you
technical
assistance.
C
Why
tell
us
compared
to
the
community
standard,
tell
us
why
this
is
good
or
bad
for
the
community
and
third
and
most
importantly-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
this
right
now
under
current
kentucky
law,
if
a
school
district
denies
and
the
kde
grants
the
appeal,
the
kde
could
force
you
to
open
a
charter
school
in
your
district,
even
if
you
didn't
want
to
so
we've
built
in
a
protection
for
smaller
districts
and
the
reason
that's
in
there
is
the
financial
implications
that
may
happen.
You
know
in
a
smaller
school
district.
C
C
What
happens,
then?
You
don't
have
anything
to
appeal
if
you
don't
get
it
so
if
the
local
board
doesn't
approve
it
in
essence,
what
we've
created
is
a
super
veto
for
them.
So
that's
thing
one
and
thing
two
not
to
be
dr
seuss,
but
that's
thing
one
and
thing
two
and
that's
the
only
real
changes
to
the
charter
law
that
we
passed
in
2017..
C
Now,
when
this
first
business
bill
first
came
out,
there
were
all
kinds
of
things
in
there:
lots
of
different
authorizers
this
that
and
the
other
and-
and
I
got
a
ton
of
feedback-
some
positive,
some
negative.
But
I
really
sat
and
listened
to.
Everybody
talk
to
folks,
but
the
one
thing
that
kept
coming
up
was
well
then,
why
don't?
We
just
do
a
pilot
project.
C
So,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
committee,
that's
what
the
third
thing
is
is
a
pilot
project.
We're
gonna
do
one
in
louisville
and
one
in
northern
kentucky.
They
have
to
report
back
to
us
and
let
us
know
how
this
thing's
going
I'll
I'll
hush
and
let
my
guest
talk
a
little
bit
senator.
Thank
you.
D
All
right,
praise
god!
Well
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
tireless
work
into
this.
Without
it
we
would
not
be
at
this
position
now.
I
I
have
worked
for
a
number
of
years
with
a
great
number.
Senator
wilson
and
senator
gibbons
have
been
very,
very
strong
supporters
and
including
your
president
of
our
senator
senator
stivers.
D
I
come
to
tell
you
all
that
we
I
do
appreciate
your
your
work,
but
most
of
all
I
want
to
say
good
day
to
my
good
buddy
senator
gerald
neal.
We
yeah.
If
you
didn't,
know
it,
we
like
each
other,
but
we
don't
agree
on
harley
anything,
but
but
he
he
has
been
someone
who
is
always
willing
to
sit
down
and
listen,
and
let
this
preacher
say
what
I
need
to
say
so
we're
here
now,
so
senator
thank
you
for
being
who
you
are,
and
the
man
that
you
are.
D
I
come
because
I've
been
before
this
committee
and
the
joint
committees
over
the
last
10
to
15
years,
urging
this
institution
to
look
out
for
the
least
in
the
kingdom
least
of
the
people
in
our
in
our
community.
D
I
don't
know
I
don't
understand
how
people
can
sit
back
for
the
last
40
to
50
years
and
see
our
young
african-american
young
people
out
of
west
louisville
failing
and
cannot
read
on
a
third
grade
level.
D
D
But,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
let's
be
real
about
this
thing,
something
is
not
working
in
the
traditional
public
system
and
all
of
the
newscasts.
I
hear
they
said.
Oh,
it's
a
private
thing.
Man,
a
charter
school,
is
as
much
public
school
as
jefferson
county
public
school
is.
It
is
a
public
system
and
I
wish
you
all
would
get
these
people
straightened
out.
D
D
Preschool
education
is
nurturing
education
and
if
you
do
not
have
that
nurturing
department
of
viability
of
preschool
with
the
understanding
where
it
is
to
work,
how
it
is
to
work
getting
children
prepared
when
I
oversaw
head
start
for
20
some
odd
years,
the
children
that
came
out
of
head
start
preschool
could
compete.
I
don't
care
who
y'all
are
in
here.
D
They
could
compete
with
you,
your
children,
your
grandchildren.
You
know
why,
because
those
little
mamas,
those
little
mothers
grandmothers
was
in
there
helping
that
child
loving
that
child,
when
they
don't
smell
good
it's
hard
when
you
gotta
deal
on
those
levels.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
want
you
to
know,
we
appreciate
it
and
listen
charter.
Schools
is
just
one
more
option
that
our
children
need
and
then,
if
there's
some
questions,
I'm
sure
we
we
will
be
here
for
a
moment
to
to
deal
with
that.
D
D
I'm
pastor
jerry
dr
jerry
stevenson,
jerry
l,
stevenson
and
I'm
the
senior
preaching
minister
and
one
of
the
shepherds
of
the
midwest
church
of
christ
there
in
west
louisville,
I'm
also
the
operating
chair
of
chairperson
for
the
kentucky
pastors
in
action
coalition,
who
has
been
the
backbone
of
bringing,
and
let
me
tell
you
something,
don't
believe
this
thing
that
they
say
well,
he's
the
only
one
to
believe
that
I
remember
talking
to
my
good
friend
many
years
ago
and
they
told
me-
and
they
told
me,
says:
pastor
you're,
the
only
one
talking
about
charter
schools
and
all
this
I
said.
D
A
Thank
you,
dr
stevenson.
Thank
you.
I'm
going
to
go
first
with
questions
from
the
committee
out
of
respect
for
senator
neal
who's
already
asked
for
a
question.
Senator
neal
I'm
going
to
yield
to
you,
sir.
E
We
agree
on
most
things,
especially
in
the
faith,
but
also
beyond
that,
and
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
for
the
record:
I'm
not
anti-charter
school
or
anti-education,
but
I
am
fiercely
a
defender
of
public
education
and
I'm
concerned
about
a
couple
of
things
and
one
of
those
areas
is
those
who
manipulate
and
there's
enough
history
that
manipulate
the
generalization
of
the
charter,
school
movement
and
for
private
reasons
and
they
exploit
it,
and
I
think
I
think
we
got
to
be
clear
that
that
has
happened
significantly
on
the
other
side
of
that
there
have
been
some
charter
schools,
mr
chairman,
that
you
can
point
out
as
being
notable
in
terms
of
things
that
they've
produced
in
terms
of
the
lives
of
young
people
etc.
E
But
let's
be
clear,
the
charter
school
piece
is
not
a
panacea
and
I
appreciate
pastor
stevenson
pointing
that
out.
But
I
do
have
a
few
questions.
F
E
C
The
the
way
the
funding
model
is
set
up
and
given
that
this
is
a
public
school
to
be
approved
by
the
school
board,
it
really
shouldn't
impact
their
budget
at
all.
You're
talking
about
a
school,
that's
going
to
maybe
be
three
to
five
hundred
kids.
The
applicant
in
this
case
will
be
responsible
and
and
remember,
let's
go
back
the
the
concerns
about
charter.
Schools
are
real
and
I
share
them
with
you,
senator
and,
and
so
did,
representative
carney
and
and
so
back
in
2017.
C
When
this
got
created,
you
will
recall
he
was
a
public
school
teacher
and
making
sure
that
we
had
the
right
guard
rails
in
place,
because
there
are
some
horror
stories
right,
but
there
are
also
some
shining
examples.
So
let's
do
what
we
can
to
bring
a
good
one
in
so
that
folks,
like
the
pastor
here
and
the
kids
in
his
community
have
that
opportunity.
So,
on
the
funding
side,
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
the
one
bringing
forward
things
like
what
facilities
are
we
going
to
use?
C
How
much
are
we
going
to
be
paying
the
teachers
if
they
end
up
going
with
an
education
service
provider
but
from
the
school's
perspective,
it's
300,
less
kids
that
they're
responsible
for
and
it's
only
the
seek
portion?
That's
going.
So
I
really
don't
think
especially
jefferson.
County's
got
what
70
some
thousand
kids
in
the
school
district.
You
know
we're
not
within
the
margin
of
error
of
what
they
lose
with
divorces
in
a
given
year.
I
just
don't
see
it
having
an
actual.
D
E
Here,
the
and
I'll
come
back.
If
the
chairman
allows
me
the
question
regarding
you
know,
one
of
the
problems
are
contracting
to
business
entities
to
carry
out
some
parts
of
the
work.
In
fact,
in
some
of
these
instances,
there's
a
lot
of
that.
Does
this
legislation
and
the
legislation
that
we've
already
passed
by
the
way?
Does
it
preclude
conflict
of
interest
and
the
retention
of
any
properties
that
are
purchased
by
any
subcontracting
business
agency?.
C
So
I
think,
with
respect
to
the
the
all
of
that
remember,
the
word
charter
means
contract.
All
of
that
will
be
handled
by
the
charter
agreement.
I
C
E
D
D
Absolutely
look
at
their
own
look
at
what
their
their
superintendent
has
has
presented
in
their
last
last
week's
unfolding
of
their
plan
for
west
louisville,
and
I
really
do
want
to
work
with
you
tremendously
to
making
sure
that
our
charter
school
in
west
louisville
is
going
to
do
what
we
needed
to
do
period,
but
they
themselves
doctor.
D
D
So
our
goal
is
to
work
with
those
children,
those
families,
that's
who
we're
targeting,
because
we're
never
we're
never
going
to
make
a
dent
into
where
our
community
needs
to
improve
until
we
help
the
family,
the
family
and
those
children
of
our
of
our
community
to
get
the
education
that
they
need.
Jefferson
county.
D
Our
concern
is
about
that
80
percent
and
that's
where
that's
where
we're
targeting.
So
if
if
this
legislation
allows
us
both
who
may
not
agree
on
everything
but
requires
that
school
system
set
down
and
let's
work
out
what's
best
for
you,
we're
ready
for
that,
we're
not
trying
to
say
we
got
a
I'm,
not
an
educator,
I'm
the
biggest
cheerleader
that
these
that
these
young
people
have.
I
I
with
without
a
without
a
doubt.
D
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
mccoy
looking
at
on
page
four,
a
couple
of
the
definitions
that
have
been
stricken
and
then
language
that
has
been
stricken
on
page
six
and
seven
dealing
with
regional
achievement,
academies,
regional
achievement
zones.
F
The
way
I
read
this,
that
the
process
of
multiple
counties
coming
together
to
approve
a
charter
school,
that's
no
longer
possible
under
this
language.
Is
that
accurate
and
and
where
I'm
coming
from
on
this
is
I
I
was
pretty
excited
because
I
I've
read
in
other
states
that
there
are
charter
schools
that
serve
those
with
disabilities
and
in
rural
areas,
the
the
number
of
those
children
may
not
be
sufficient
to
allow
the
development
of
a
charter
school.
But
if
you
pull
together,
three
or
four
counties
that
would
be
an
option.
C
Center,
my
understanding
is,
with
the
passage
of
house
bill
563
last
year
in
in
sort
of
what
I
call
the
borderless
schools.
We
no
longer
needed
that
express
language,
so
that
was
cleaned
up
here.
There
wouldn't
be
nothing
that
would
preclude
a
number
of
school
boards
coming
together
and
agreeing
to
do
this
working
together.
Now,
because
we've
already
allowed
students
to
transfer
district.
A
J
Thank
mr
chair
and-
and
my
question
is
to
you
representative,
mccoy,
and
you
know
having
been
around
here
for
a
while.
I
understand
where
this
bill
is
going,
so
my
purpose
in
asking
questions
is
to
really
educate
the
entire
public
people
of
kentucky
as
to
to
what
lies
ahead
when
this
bill
passes.
J
I
thought
senator
neil
asked
an
excellent
question
about
the
retention
of
properties,
know
desk
books,
software
anything
that's
purchased
through
the
charter
school
and
who
retains
that,
and
I
and
I'm
certain
that
the
answer
that
question
is
yes,
I
don't
see
anything
in
here
that
that
would
prevent
the
school
from
retaining
those,
even
if
the
charter
school
no
longer
existed.
So
the
answer
to
the
question
is
yes.
J
My
next
question
is:
is
this
representative
mccoy?
Is
there
anything
that
would
preclude
a
private
entity
because
I
don't
see
it
in
here
when
I
look
at
the
definition
of
applicant
from
from
sponsoring
a
charter
school?
If
I
want
to
form
an
llc
as
I
want
my
llc
to
operate
the
charter
school,
is
there
anything
that
will
preclude
me
from
doing
that
here?
What's
the
answer
to
that
question,
that's
a
simple,
yes
or
no
question
representative
mccoy.
J
This
thing
up
the
existing
legislation,
as
you
well
know,
I'm
sure,
because
you've
written
this
legislation
allows
for-profit
entities
to
organize
charter
schools.
So
so
the
we've
now
established
that
whatever
someone
purchases
from
a
charter
school,
they
retain.
We've
now
established
that
pr
for-profit
entities
can
can
organize
charter
schools
and
then
my.
My
third
question
is
whether,
in
situations
where
we
have
these
charter
schools
can
the
for-profit
entities
that
organize
these
charter
schools.
C
So
to
answer
your
last
question:
first,
no,
but
I
want
to
go
back
to
something
I
don't
agree
with
you.
On
the
first
point,
sir,
you
asked
and
answered
your
own
question
about
how
the
property
is
going
to
go,
and
I
think
if
you,
if
you
want
to
sum
it
up,
maybe
more
simply
if
the
charter
applicant
brings
the
desks
to
the
table,
they
get
to
leave
with
the
desks
if
they
were
supplied
by
the
by
the
school
system.
They're
the
school
systems,
but
all
of
that
will
be
handled
by
the
charter
itself.
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
am
trying
to
figure
out
which
question
to
ask
first,
but
I'm
gonna,
it
seems
really
quiet.
Super
quiet.
Okay,
I'm
gonna,
try
to
start
on
page
three
page
three
in
the
middle
line.
13
is
where
we're
adding
this
language
that
says
that
the
local
school
board
can
only
have
approval
of
charter
applications
within
the
bounds
of
its
district.
K
K
Okay,
that's
what
I
was
wanting
to
find
out
if
it's
got
to
do
with
the
taxes,
because
the
other
question
I
have
is
I
heard
earlier
that
the
seek
funds
and
I've
heard
multiple
times.
The
c
funds
will
now
follow
the
child,
which
I
don't
think
is
news
because
I'm
thinking
seek.
Funds
have
always
followed
children
because
it
goes
by
ada
which
doesn't
really
matter
which
district
you're
in.
K
So
what,
when
I'm
on
page
31-
and
I
see
things
on
line
25,
it
says
all
taxes
and
in
lieu
of
transfer
to
the
district
of
location
and
the
seek
funds.
Both
so
is
it
seek
funds
or
is
it
the
totality
of
all
of
the
local
plus
the
seek.
C
It's
only
c,
but
you've
got
to
remember
in
the
seek
formula.
There
is
a
local
taxing
component,
so
the
state
authorizes.
You
know,
for
example,
in
the
proposed
budget.
I
think
we're
at
4
100
on
seek.
That
does
not
mean
that
every
child
in
kentucky
gets
from
the
state
4
100
in
revenue
instead
there's
a
very
complicated
formula
and
I'm
not
about
to
tell
you.
C
C
So
when
we
talk
about
the
seek
following,
that's
really
just
the
state's
portion
of
the
seek,
and
then
you
go
back
to
house
bill
563
last
year,
senator
where
we
addre,
where
we
mandated
that
each
district
has
to
have
a
policy
with
respect
to
inner
district
transfers,
and
that's
these
things
are
going
to
end
up
ultimately
working
together.
That
way.
L
K
Multiple
times
in
this
bill
that
I've
read
now
the
one
thing
I
love
about
charters,
which
honestly
I
don't
think
it
should
just
be
charters
where
it
says
they
don't
have
to
follow.
Like
a
large
number
of
various
regulations
and
red
tape
that
we
have
on
education,
I
think
it's
really
strangling
our
teachers
honestly.
K
So
I
love
that
part.
But
then
you
hear
multiple
other
times,
I'm
on
page
32
line
13,
for
example.
You
know
we're
gonna
provide
those
services
in
the
same
manner
as
the
district
of
location,
and
this
is
not
maybe
the
best
example,
but
I've
seen
it
a
lot
of
times
in
this
bill.
K
Where
make
sure
this
one
little
thing
is
done
as
the
same
as
the
district
make
sure
that
one
little
thing
is
done
same
as
district,
but
there's
that
laundry
list
I
forget
which
page
it's
on
20
or
so
laundry
list
of
you
don't
have
to
do
any
of
this
stuff
except
and
here's
the
full
laundry
list.
Have
we
made
sure
that
these
all
match
with
each
other,
because
I
feel
like
there
might
be
some
loose
ends.
C
We've
certainly
tried
and
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
you
over
the
interim.
If
there's
some
that
we
need
to
clean
up
because
we
could
bring
a
bill
back,
you
know
keep
in
mind
even
the
pilot
that
we're
starting
in
here
really
won't
kick
in
until
after
we're
here
another
session.
So
if
there
are
some
nits
that
we
should
fix,
let's
fix
them.
A
Thank
you.
I'm
gonna
at
this
time
allow
opposing
voices.
That's
all
the
questions
I
have
at
this
time
from
committee
members
not
saying
there
won't
be
more
questions
that
come
forth,
but
I
am
gonna
call
and
I'm
gonna
go
in
order
here
now.
I
do
see
that
some
associations
have
multiple
people.
If
they
all
want
to
come
to
the
table
and
speak
in
opposition,
they
can't
they
will
have
the
same
opposition.
A
M
Now
I
am
yes,
I'm
chuck
eddy
private
citizen.
Thank
you,
chairman
wise
and
the
committee
members.
I'm
completely
opposed
to
hb9,
taking
any
commonwealth
tax
funds
to
support
private
schools
and
charter
schools.
Impresses
me
as
totally
unconstitutional,
hb
9
is
the
horrible
bill
to
give
our
yours
and
my
tax
money
to
charter
schools.
M
This
bill
is
a
creative
funding
mechanism
to
fund
charter
schools
and,
let
me
make
clear
it
is
not
just
quote:
seek
money
unquote.
Other
funding
follows
a
student
as
well,
in
spite
of
what
the
sponsor
was
saying
about
the
formulas
and
all
that
it's
not
just
the
seek
money
amount
that
we're
familiar
with
now.
In
point
of
fact,
there
already
is
a
funding
mechanism,
the
money
of
the
people
who
support
those
type
of
schools,
and,
as
senator
neil
mentioned,
I
don't
oppose
charter
schools
either.
I
don't
want
to
pay
for
them.
M
One
out
of
four
charter.
Schools
fail
in
the
first
five
years,
so
those
students
will
end
up
with
no
continuity
and
be
right
back
in
our
county
schools.
The
superintendent
of
fayette
county
recently
did
an
op-ed.
He
said
a
thousand
kids
returned
to
greenville
isd
when
he
was
there
from
charter
schools
that
went
bust,
taking
money
away
from
our
kentucky
constitutionally
required.
Public
schools
will
devastate
them.
M
They
will
take
badly
needed
funds
from
public
schools
that
are
already
woefully
underfunded,
and
these
charter
schools
will
rarely
have
their
students
be
in
the
same
county
as
where
the
money
is
being
taken
care
of
taken
from
additionally
charter
schools
have
never
properly
served
school
children
with
special
needs.
Among
many
other
failings.
I
have
family
members
that
have
been
served
with
special
ed
services
in
public
schools.
Charter
schools
historically
do
not
serve
special
ed
kids
as
well
as
public
schools.
M
Additionally,
I
agree
the
opposition
of
the
kentucky
high
school
athletic
association,
this
bill
due
to
damage
to
local
county
school
athletics.
The
actual
answer
to
school
choice
is
not
creating
for-profit
charter
schools,
where
three
percent
of
the
funds
will
go.
Out-Of-State
administrative
fees
but
increasing
the
funding
of
our
constitutionally
acquired
public
schools.
M
A
N
Waterbury
with
save
our
schools
kentucky
back
in
2017,
I
testified
before
this
same
body
in
opposition
to
charter
schools,
and
I
can
honestly
say
that
my
opposition
and
the
reasons
for
it
have
not
changed.
You
know.
Kentucky,
unfortunately,
has
quite
a
history
of
corruption.
We've
we're
also
very
poor.
N
N
I
am
a
fayette
county
tax
payer,
I'm
a
fayette
county
public
school
mom,
I'm
an
sbdm
member
when
you
tell
me
that
whether
it's
100
students
or
300
students
are
lost
that
seek
funding
is
lost.
That
is,
stem
labs
that
serve
our
children.
That
is
all
types
of
auxiliary
services
that
we
provide
to
children.
We
have
a
bus
driver
shortage
in
fayette
county
right
now,
several
weeks,
I
have
to
figure
out
how
I'm
going
to
get
my
children
to
and
from
school.
N
All
of
this
gets
harder
and
it
gets
complicated
and
deciding
who
to
point
the
finger
at
when
that
charter
school
closes
and
that
money
is
gone
and
that
is
local
taxpayer
money
guys
in
fayette
county.
I
pay
a
lot
of
taxes
and
I
understand
this
bill
isn't
about
fayette
county,
but
after
a
couple
of
years
they
will
start
coming
for
your
school
boards.
I
need
everyone
to
understand
that
has
districts
over
7
700
students,
because
apparently
it's
going
to
harm
small
ones,
but
not
ones
like
mine.
N
N
N
Aren't
going
to
be
safe,
they
will
never
be
safe.
I
feel
like
in
17
I
was
fighting
a
different
billionaire
that
apparently
I'm
fighting
now
before
I
was
fighting
one
that
destroyed
public
education
in
detroit,
where
african-american
children
are
now
left
with
no
right
to
even
literacy
according
to
the
michigan
supreme
court.
If
you
don't
believe
me,
look
it
up,
and
now
I'm
fighting,
apparently
a
new
billionaire
in
northern
kentucky
guys.
I
come
up
here
because
I
care
about
kids,
not
because
I
care
about
me.
A
Thank
you
next
up
on
the
agenda
or
sweden
on
the
signing
list,
all
from
kea,
I'm
calling
all
four
of
these
at
one
time:
jessica,
hyler,
eddie,
campbell,
brent
mckim
and
kelly
reed.
If
those
can
make
their
way
to
the
table,
please.
I
G
Chairman
wise
members
of
the
education
committee,
thank
you
for
letting
us
allowing
us
to
speak
today.
We
are
here
today
with
my
colleagues
to
urge
you
to
vote
no
on
house
bill.
9.
All
of
this
bill
has
changed.
G
Ultimately,
it
still
forces
two
communities
in
the
commonwealth
to
consider
charter
schools
without
any
kind
of
input.
According
to
the
kentucky
constitution,
as
members
of
the
general
assembly,
one
of
your
highest
constitutional
duties
is
to
provide
for
an
efficient
system
of
common
schools.
This
means
a
system
of
public
schools
that
are
free,
accessible,
staffed
with
highly
qualified
educators
and
have
the
necessary
funding
to
provide
every
student
with
the
tools
and
resources
they
need
for
robust
and
high
quality
public
education.
G
Hp
9
will
make
funding
deficiencies
worse
by
defense,
diverting
money
away
from
kentucky's
palm
private
common
schools.
Our
public
schools
house
bill
9
strips
away
authority
from
our
locally
elected
school
boards
will
be
forced
to
accept
and
fund
charter
schools
that
they
neither
want
nor
their
constituents
wants.
Public
school
districts
will
be
required
to
give
local
and
state
taxes
to
private
charter
management
corporations,
who
are
only
interested
in
one
thing
and
that's
profiting
off
the
backs
of
our
students
in
the
commonwealth.
L
L
These
funds,
which
will
be
diverted,
won't
change
the
fact
that
we
will
continue
to
have
public
schools.
They
will
change.
However,
what
they
will
change,
however,
is
the
support
that
we
give
those
schools
and
the
support
that
we
give
those
students
who
have
the
greatest
need
for
a
free
and
appropriate
education.
L
Public
education
teaches
all
students
we
have
students
of
various
backgrounds
in
our
classroom.
This
bill
takes
money
from
them.
We
have
students
who
are
just
learning
english
in
our
classroom,
as
well
as
students
who
need
who
need
help
with
reading
or
writing
in
their
native
tongue.
This
bill
takes
funding
from
them.
We
have
students
with
severe
disabilities
as
well
as
typical
students
with
invisible
disabilities.
This
bill
takes
funding
away
from
them.
L
B
As
I
said
before,
my
name
is
jessica
heiler
and
I'm
the
president
of
the
fayette
county
education
association
representing
members
in
fayette
county.
It's
the
responsibility
of
this
general
assembly
set
forth
in
the
kentucky
constitution
to
provide
for
an
efficient
system
of
common
schools,
but
instead
house
bill
9
creates
a
separate
parallel
and
unregulated
system
which
is
inefficient
and
takes
critical
resources
from
our
local
public
schools.
B
Over
and
over
over
the
years,
I've
heard
that
parents
and
students
need
choice
in
fayette
county.
We
have
choice.
Students
can
choose
to
attend
rye
stem
academy
for
girls,
carter
g
woodson
academy
for
boys,
the
stem
academy,
pre-engineering
programs,
locust
trace,
agri-science
farm.
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
the
choices
that
our
families
have
in
fayette
county,
but
I
encourage
you
to
seriously
consider
the
concerns
set
forth
by
fake
county
superintendent,
dr
demitris
liggins.
In
a
letter
he
sent
to
the
committee,
he
has
first-hand
knowledge
of
the
failures
of
charter
schools.
B
Having
recently
worked
in
texas,
where
there
are
currently
over
200
charters
operating
in
the
state.
I'll
leave
you
with
this.
Why
are
we
not
listening
to
the
experts?
This
room
is
filled
with
experts,
teachers,
parents,
administrators
and
superintendents.
We
are
the
experts,
we
know
our
kids,
we
know
our
schools,
we
understand
the
needs
of
our
community.
B
I
Hi
brian
mckim,
president
of
the
jefferson
county
teachers
association,
I'd
like
to
call
everyone's
attention
to
section
three,
the
first
paragraph
of
section
three,
I
think
it's
on
page
seven,
which
says
a
public
charter
school
shall
be
exempt
from
all
statutes
and
administrative
regulations
applicable
to
the
state
board
a
local
school
district
or
school,
except
that
the
public
charter
school
shall
adhere
to
the
same
health,
safety,
civil
and
disability
rights
requirements.
I
This
means
that
outside
those
areas
of
health,
safety,
civil
and
disability
rights,
every
single
law
and
every
single
regulation
ever
passed
in
kentucky
by
legislators
like
yourselves,
is
in
order
to
assure
an
appropriate
high
quality
educational
experience
for
our
students
has
been
waived
for
charter
schools,
since
there
has
been
no
funding
mechanism
for
charters.
This
is
not
endangered
students,
but
if
house
bill
9
is
passed,
it
will
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
are
waived?
That
includes
the
laws
against
hiring
by
nepotism.
I
I
Practitioners
and
those
who
work
in
the
cafeteria-
it
includes
the
school
schedule
with
the
minimum
school
year
of
185
days,
and
the
number
of
instructional
minutes
required
free
textbooks
for
low-income
students,
access
to
a
student
code
of
rights,
laws
around
protecting
students
from
unreasonable
discipline,
employee
due
process,
sbdm
councils
laws
regulating
food
service,
librarian
and
media
center
requirements,
advanced
placement
courses,
access
to
national
board,
stipends
for
teachers,
transportation
and
on
and
on
all
of
those
have
been
waived.
I
believe
charter
schools
are
contrary
to
the
interests
of
our
students.
I
I
Maybe
you
might
say
that
could
be
covered
in
a
car
charter
contract,
but
I
think
the
legislature
has
a
responsibility
to
assure
that,
even
if
a
charter
contract
doesn't
cover
that
there
is
a
safety
net
to
assure
that
those
sorts
of
things
cannot
happen,
that's
a
responsibility
of
the
general
assembly.
So
for
all
of
those
reasons,
I
would
hope
that
you
would
not
provide
public
funding
until
we
have
addressed
that
glaring
issue
of
all
of
the
things
that
are
not
protected
in
terms
of
protecting
kids.
Thank
you.
So
much.
G
And
just
in
closing,
I
would
just
like
to
add:
there's
been
much
discussion
very.
G
The
importance
of
local
control
during
by
this
general
assembly
during
this
session,
and
even
in
the
session
in
the
fall,
in
fact,
the
importance,
the
autonomy
and
the
decision-making
authority
of
locally
elected
public
school
boards,
which
the
community
elects
was
the
foundation
of
arguments
for
the
passage
of
senate
bill
1.
Just
last
week,
this
bill
and
its
provisions
run
contrary
to
a
lot
of
that
ideology.
A
Thank
you,
the
next
three
we
have
signed
up
from
the
kentucky
association
of
school
superintendents.
I
would
like
to
have
steve
carter,
robbie,
fletcher
and
alvin
garrison.
If
those
three
who
have
signed
up
will
please
proceed
and
make
their
way
to
the
table,
please
identify
yourselves
for
the
record.
Please,
gentlemen,
you
may
proceed.
H
My
name
is
steve
carter.
I
have
the
honor
of
serving
the
students
of
mccracken
county
public
schools
as
their
superintendent
and
I'd
like
to
thank
you,
senator
wise
and
other
members
of
the
senate
education
committee
on
giving
us
a
few
moments
to
speak
out
against
house
bill
9..
You
know
I've
got
43
years
in
education.
H
If
someone
from
another
district
comes
in,
how
will
that
be
funded
and
very
simple,
you
say
seek
well,
there
is
a
lot
to
seek.
You
have
ada
funding
transportation
funding,
sync
add-ons
and
if
the
bill
pulls
away
from
federal
dollars
and
your
local
property
taxes,
that's
an
additional
withdrawal
from
our
local
schools,
as
the
bill
currently
exists,
kde
upon
appeal
could
authorize
a
charter
school
within
our
district
and
in
doing
so
would
allow
students
from
other
districts
to
attend
which
do
come
with
a
different
base
of
local
tax
revenue
from
our
sikh
funding.
H
So
that
is
something
that
to
me
would
lend
to
local
taxpayers
having
to
foot
the
bill
for
other
county
students
or
other
counties
sending
their
local
tax
dollars
to
a
neighboring
county
either
way.
It
is
not
proper
and
I
believe
it
would
probably
be
some
challenge
regarding
to
taxation
without
representation.
H
H
P
Dr
robbie
fletcher,
I'm
superintendent
of
lawrence
county
schools.
I've
had
the
honor
of
serving
on
the
task
force
committee
with
many
of
you
and
we
had
a
great
time.
It
was
one
of
the
best
legislative
sessions
or
legislative
movements.
I've
been
a
part
of
so
I
thank
you
for
that
opportunity.
Senator
wise,
also
rep,
also
representative
tipton.
As
chair
there's
two
things
I
want
to
point
out
quickly
and
I'll
try
to
make
it
under
my
three
minutes.
Thank
you,
sir,
is
there's
one
pot
of
money.
Folks,
it's
called
a
budget.
P
P
P
If
you
can
put
multiple
districts
together,
then
we
have
the
same
issues.
We
have
the
same
issues
that
are
going
to
find
in
louisville
and
in
northern
kentucky,
so
we
keep
being
told
that
it's
northern
kentucky
and
west
louisville
or
in
louisville-
and
I
appreciate
our
brother
here,
my
brother
in
christ-
reverend
stevenson.
He
did
a
wonderful
job
talking
about
what
needs
to
happen
when
it
comes
to
students,
but
the
bottom
line
is
this
is
not
just
for
louisville.
This
is
just
not
from
northern
kentucky.
P
When
you
can
put
multiple
districts
together,
then
we're
all
in
danger.
Now
with
that
being
said,
the
general
assembly
hereby
finds
I'm
once
this
is
from
section
two
paragraph
one.
The
general
assembly
hereby
finds
and
declares
that
section
two
paragraph
one
additional
public
school
options
are
necessary
to
help
reduce
the
socioeconomic,
racial
and
ethnical
ethic
ethnic
achievement
gaps.
P
That
makes
sense,
if
that's
the
goal
of
our
charters
as
we're
looking
at,
then
I
have
a
question.
If
you
look
under
section
2,
paragraph
4,
enrollment
preference
for
public
charter,
schools
shall
be
given
to
students
enrolled
in
public
charter
schools.
The
previous
year,
the
enrollment
preference
for
returning
students
shall
exclude
those
students
from
entering
into
a
lottery.
Enrollment
preference
for
public
charter
schools
identified
as
urban
academy
shall
be
given.
Students
who
live
in
close
proximity
to
the
school
or
as
governed
by
the
charter
seems
like
some
leeway
there,
gentlemen,
but
listen
to
this.
P
A
public
charter
school
may
allow
an
enrollment
preference
for
students
who
meet
federal
eligibility
requirements
for
free
and
reduced
lunch
price
meals
and
students
who
attend
precision
low,
achieving
non-charter
public
schools.
If
our
point
is
to
reduce
the
achievement
gap,
why
is
that
may
and
not
shall?
P
Why
is
it
may
and
not?
Shall
the
second
thing
I
want
to
point
out
funding.
There
are
two
terms
and
phrases
in
section:
one
proportionate
per
pupil
basis.
It
means
multiplying
an
amount
of
funds
by
a
fraction
with
the
numerator
being
the
average
daily
attendance
of
public
charter
schools
and
the
denominator
being
the
average
daily
tenants
of
the
school
district
of
location,
simple
terms
mathematician.
A
P
Four
after
you,
yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
this:
it
is
possible
for
students
to
get
more
money
if
they
go
to
a
charter
school
than
if
they
stay
in
a
public
school.
The
last
thing,
thank
you
senator
wise
for
your
for
your
grace
teachers.
If
they
go
to
a
charter
school,
then
they
have
two
years
that
they
can
go
and
we
have
to
hold
that
position
for
them.
We
know
what
the
teacher
shortage
is
already
I'm
in
rural
eastern
kentucky.
P
I
went
four
months
without
a
pe
teacher
applicant
four
months.
So
now
I
have
to
hold
a
job
for
someone's
a
charter,
and
please
don't
tell
me
that
it
doesn't
impact
rural
kentucky.
It
will.
That
being
said,
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
here
about
innovation.
I
promise
you,
gentlemen
and,
ladies,
if
you
want
to
come
to
our
district
in
lawrence
county
or
any
of
the
districts
behind
me,
davis,
county,
owensboro,
northern
kentucky
eastern
kentucky
western
kentucky,
you
will
find
innovation
there.
P
Q
Chairman
wise
senate
educational
committee,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today,
really
appreciate
all
you
do
for
the
commonwealth,
especially
in
the
education
arena.
I
really
did
not
expect
to
be
sitting
here
before
you
again
twice
in
one
year.
That's
a
little
much
for
me,
but
since
I'm
here,
I
guess
I'll
share
my
perspective
on
hb
9,
the
hb9
matter.
Q
Spanish
american
philosopher,
george
santana,
observed
that
those
who
cannot
remember
the
past
are
condemned
to
repeat
it.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
state
that
I
agree
with
school
choice.
I,
however,
do
not
agree
with
public
dollars.
Funding
that
choice
as
of
this
year,
school
choice
is
going
well
in
covington.
For
instance,
c
covington
independent
allows
255
students
who
live
in
our
school
boundaries
to
attend
other
public
schools
and
211
students
attend
private
schools
for
a
total
of
456
students
of
our
4
000
attend
other
schools.
Q
Q
In
march,
in
march,
in
the
march
24th
article
in
link
northern
kentucky,
the
gentleman
quoted
said
the
mission
is
to
provide
an
alternative
pre-k
through
level
8
school
with
eyes
on
two
goals:
first,
keeping
the
young
professional
families
from
moving
out
of
covington
and
newport
when
their
children,
when
their
children
reach
school
age
and
second,
to
provide
second,
say
the
least,
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
less
hopeful.
Children
in
the
urban
sector,
who
achieve
a
higher
level
than
the
broader
public
school
system
can
provide
again,
that's
secondary.
Q
From
my
perspective,
this
bill
clearly
borders
on
past
efforts
to
have
separate
facilities
based
on
race.
Not
in
this
case
we
are
replacing
it
with
social
economic
status.
Let's
take
a
brief
walk
through
history,
plessy
versus
ferguson
1896,
the
supreme
court
ruled
as
long
as
facilities
for
african
americans
and
whites
were
equal
keeping
race
separate
was
constitutional.
Q
Judge
chief
justice,
earl
warren
read
the
majority
opinion
which
said
in
part
to
separate
those
children
from
other
similar
age
and
qualifications
solely
based
on
their
race,
generates
a
feeling
of
inferiority
inferiority
as
their
status
in
the
community
that
may
affect
their
hearts
and
minds
in
a
way
unlikely
to
be
done.
Three
minutes,
dr
harrison
all
right.
Well,
my
final
point
is
separate,
but
equal
facilities
are
inherently
unequal,
so.
A
R
R
I
was
treasurer
and
chief
financial
officer
of
a
community
college
in
ohio,
and
I
have
been
a
law
firm
administrator
for
20
years,
so
fiscal
oversight
responsibility
is
of
most
important
to
me.
I
do
have
to
agree
with
reverend
stevenson
who
earlier
mentioned
fully
funding
preschool
and
in
kindergarten
studies
have
shown.
If
we
invest
in
preschool
and
kindergarten,
it
has
a
seven
to
one
roi.
R
With
my
business
and
legal
background
and
currently
serving
the
chair
of
the
board.
Fiscal
oversight
is
of
utmost
priority.
To
me
many
many
times
my
career
has
seen
poor
expenditure,
authorization
procedures
lead
to
misuse
and
mismanagement
of
funds.
There
must
be
proper
accounting
systems
and
internal
controls
in
place
to
protect
the
taxpayer
funds
prior
to
them
being
lost.
There
also
must
be
oversight
as
to
the
proper
use
of
educational
purposes
of
these
funds
that
are
spent
on
education
of
students
and
not
on
administrative
overhead.
R
R
Hospital
nine
does
not
provide
for
the
requirement
charter
schools
to
follow
proper
procurement
systems,
internal
controls,
audits,
transparency
and
fiscal
oversight
of
taxpayer.
Funds
that
are
publicly
funded
institutions
are
required
to
follow.
This
should
be
a
red
flag.
Any
entity
which
receives
taxpayer
funds
should
have
a
requirement
of
transparency
and
inspection.
R
Without
these
checks
and
balances,
there
is
an
ample
opportunity
for
the
loss
of
those
funds
which
most
likely
will
never
be
recovered.
The
bills
does
not
answer
the
question
if
proper
oversight
and
procedures
are
not
put
into
place
about
receiving
school
funds
and
they
are
mismanaged
and
the
school
is
closed.
How
will
the
public
funds
be
recovered?
R
If
a
school
were
to
close,
we
have
read
time
and
time
again
of
mismanagement
of
charter
schools
of
funds
and
their
closing
only
to
have
millions,
millions
of
public
dollars
be
lost,
there
will
not
be
a
legal
recourse
and
the
money
is
lost.
Just
think
how
much
could
have
been
done
with
all
the
money
if
it
hadn't
been
lost.
R
R
R
A
A
S
Thank
you:
chairwise
lou
young
chair,
kentucky
board
of
education,
31-year
veteran
of
kentucky
public
schools.
I'm
here
this
afternoon
to
voice
my
opposition
to
house
bill
9..
I've
served
as
a
teacher,
a
high
school
administrator
superintendent
of
jessamine,
county
schools
and
chief
academic
officer
of
fayette
county
schools.
I
currently
prepare
aspiring
principals
and
superintendents
at
the
university
level,
based
on
my
experience
as
a
proud
kentucky
educator,
I
bring
you
a
message
intended
to
punctuate
three
themes:
local
control,
quality
control
and
your
ability
to
exercise
policy
control
by
slowing
down
this
process.
S
We
cannot
and
must
not
allow
for-profit,
out-of-state
charter
management
companies
to
siphon
local
tax
revenues
away
from
those
same
locally
elected
school
boards
without
their
approval.
Doing
so
further
erodes
local
control
and
further
shifts
our
focus
away
from
fully
funding
kentucky
public
schools.
S
Notwithstanding
your
decision
about
house
bill
9.,
the
2022
legislative
priorities
of
the
kentucky
board
of
education
include
our
opposition
to
any
efforts
to
direct
tax
revenues
away
from
local
public
schools.
These
funds
are
better
spent
on
improving
public
education
and
better
serving
all
kentucky
kids,
rather
than
a
self-selected
subset
of
students.
S
In
addition
to
these
broad
concepts,
there
are
some
serious
deficiencies
in
the
legislation
itself,
as
it
relates
to
the
original
bill
and
to
house
bill
9..
I
fear
that
this
bill
does
not
represent
the
collective
lessons
learned
from
other
states
that
have
established
charter
school
authorization
and
approval
standards,
leaving
us
destined
to
repeat
the
mistakes
that
could
and
should
be
avoided.
S
S
S
The
national
association
for
charter
school
authorizers
naxa
recognizes
the
vital
role
that
charter
school
authorizers
play
in
the
establishment
of
high
quality
charters
and,
to
that
end,
have
promoted
12
essential
practices
as
a
set
of
minimum
expectations
for
authorizers.
When
held
up
against
these
essential
practices.
House
bill
9,
fails
or
performs
poorly
against
all
12,
leaving
kentucky
vulnerable
to
bad
actors
that
include
for-profit,
unscrupulous
charter
school
operators
who
benefit
from
manipulating
the
system
for
their
own
gain.
S
S
You
please
wrap
it
up
referring
to
charter
schools,
the
bill
sponsor
noted
last
week
that
there
are
good
ones
and
there
are
bad
ones.
I
agree
with
him,
but
I
also
believe
in
the
power
of
thoughtful
public
policy
to
mitigate
such
risks.
Please,
let's
seize
the
opportunity
to
slow
down
and
do
everything
we
can
to
develop
thorough
and
thoughtful
legislation
that
eliminates
the
risk
of
exposing
any
kentucky
student
to
a
bad
charter.
School
experience
thanks
so
much
for
your.
A
E
E
C
Senator
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
section
three,
because
what
the
gentleman
did
and
it's
always
fun
to
do
in
court.
He
read
paragraph
one
of
what
is
an
eight
page
section.
He
then
proceeded
to
ignore
the
next
eight
pages
where
it
goes
through.
What
a
public
charter
school
shall
do
and
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on
so
I
would
encourage
you
not
to
be
misled
by
hyperbole.
C
I
I
I
I
I
It's
really
important
to
understand
that
the
issues
that
we're
facing
I.
I
But
again,
the
reason
we're
having
discussion
today
is
because
of
the
failure
of
the
education
system
on
the
west
end
predominantly
the
minority
students
in
in
jefferson
county.
We
have
failed
generation
after
generation
those
young
people
and
nobody
has
changed
the
dynamic
on
that
whatsoever,
and
that's
inexcusable.
We
talked
about
having
a
constitutional
public
school
system.
Those
kids
have
been
denied
a
constitutionally
valid
school
system.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
B
A
A
I
I'm
voting
no,
but
I'm
very
disturbed
that
we
keep
perpetuating
this
lie
that
this
is
a
private
charter
school
system.
The
bill
sponsors
said
time
and
time
again.
This
is
a
public
charter
school
and
I
know
why
we
want
to
perpetuate
this
live
I'll,
say
again:
the
school
systems
have
failed
the
minority
population
in
jefferson
county,
and
it's
inexcusable
the
reasons
I'm
not
voting
for
this
bill
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
supporting
the
position
that
people
have
given
today,
and
there
are
other
reasons.
I
A
E
A
O
O
O
O
J
J
Any
private
entity
that
forms
a
charter
school
can
use
that
money
to
acquire
anything
that
they
receive
public
money
for
just
read:
page
11
and
12..
The
language
means
everything
folks,
any
services
which
a
public
charter
school
contracts
with
a
school
district
shall
be
provided
by
the
district
at
cost
and
shall
be
negotiated.
A
separate
agreement
after
final
charter
contract
negotiations.
Representative
mccoy
just
told
you,
the
charter
is
going
to
govern
that.
So
that
means
that
your
dollars
can
go
to
acquire
desks,
textbooks
software
and
buildings
and
then
number
three.
J
They
talk
about
all
these
shells
and
enrollment
preferences,
but
understand
what
they
giveth
on
one
hand,
can
be
taken
away.
On
the
other,
and
again
I
go
to
page
11.,
the
board
of
directors
of
this
private
school
charter.
School
shall
be
responsible
for
the
operations
of
its
public
charter
school,
including,
but
not
limited
to
budget
contracting
services,
school
curriculum
and
personnel
services,
which
means
that
they
govern
discipline
and
they
can
get
rid
of
any
of
those
kids
that
they
think
are
going
to
harm
their
numbers.
J
What
we
call
creaming,
but
before
I
forget
I,
I
really
want
to
appreciate
the
comments
made
by
dr
lou
young
and
by
dr
robbie
fletcher,
who
I've
had
the
privilege
of
working
with
for
years,
two
outstanding
superintendents,
both
of
whom
today
one
from
a
a
school
district.
You
know
right
next
to
urban
areas.
Dr
young's
from
justin
county
fayette
county
is
right
next
door,
dr
fletcher
is
from
lawrence
county
eastern
kentucky
district,
but
both
of
them
recognize
the
failings
of
these
charter
schools.
J
F
Explain
my
vote.
Mr
chairman,
please
proceed.
You
know.
I
carried
the
charter
school
bill.
I
think
about
three
years
in
a
row
and
reverend
stevenson
knows
that
and
mine
was
a
pilot
program
and
so
I'm
gonna
vote
yesterday,
because
this
is
a
pilot
program
and
we
get
to
see
how
it
performs
and
so
that's
my
vote
today.
I
vote
aye.
A
K
K
There
are
a
number
of
things
I
feel
like
are
unanswered,
some
of
them
kind
of
are
answered,
but
the
real
issue
here
is
we're
talking
about
waiving
a
lot
of
regulations
on
schools
to
be
able
to
get
out
from
underneath.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
pressure-
and
this
is
a
pilot
program
that
I
would
like
to
see,
expand
to
not
making
our
public
schools
worse
but
making
our
public
schools
better.
K
If
we
can
figure
out
a
way
that
this
will
work,
I'm
willing
to
take
that
chance.
Certainly,
this
is
going
to
need
a
lot
of
continual
oversight,
but
I'm
I
I'm
willing
to
take
that
chance
right
now.
We
have
to
get
into
a
sandbox
of
space
where
we
can
actually
work
together
and
figure
out
how
to
do
this
instead
of
talking
about,
if
we
should.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank.
A
Next
on
the
agenda
is
house
bill
102,
but
we're
going
to
pass
over
that
the
bill
sponsor
is
representative
dan
fister,
who
contacted
me
today
and
asked
to
pull
that
bill
from
the
agenda.
102
will
not
be
heard
today.
Next
on
the
agenda
is
our
last
bill
house
bill
678,
an
act
relating
to
public
schools
and
declaring
an
emergency
representative
is
ed.
Massey
representative
welcome.
I
know
you've
been
in
this
community
before,
but
welcome
back.
A
T
T
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
This
bill
simply
does
one
thing
that
will
help
schools,
it
notwithstands
the
language
with
regards
to
the
kentucky
department
of
education
as
to
waivers
which,
right
now,
based
on
their
limitations,
is
taking
months
to
get
waivers
through
the
schools
and
the
time
it's
taken
to
get
the
waivers
prices
are
going
through
the
ceiling
and
they
are
losing
projects
or
being
delayed
on
projects
to
the
tune
of
millions
of
dollars.
In
fact,
one
district
testified
to
us
that
it
was
10
million
dollars.
It
cost
them
because
of
waiting
on
a
waiver.
T
The
great
news
about
this
is
that
kde
has
admitted
that
they
are
having
problems.
They
want
to
work
with
us
in
the
next
two
years.
They've
agreed
to
do
that.
There
are
about
12
people
involved
in
this,
including
ksba,
kss,
kasa,
eric
kennedy,
of
course,
several
superintendents,
two
senators,
two
representatives,
and
it
was
a
concerted
effort
of
getting
this
language
drafted.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over.
Very
briefly
to
both
of
my
colleagues.
First
to
my
right,
eric
kennedy.
H
I'll
just
be
extremely
brief:
eric
kennedy,
the
director
of
advocacy
with
the
ksba
as
representative
ed
massey,
explained
this
is
a
very
kind
of
limited,
careful
approach.
This
will
be
for
just
a
two
year
period
of
time
that
we
suspend
some
of
the
normally
required
prior
approvals
from
the
department
of
education
on
building
projects
for
two
years.
H
During
that
time,
a
lot
of
these
projects
that
are
ready
to
go
and
every
day
of
delay
cost
money,
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward,
and
we
will
be
able
to
come
back
to
the
legislature
during
that
time
and
say
well.
Here
are
some
of
the
things
that
apparently
we
can
change
or
some
of
the
normal
red
tape
that
we
maybe
don't
need
anymore.
That
will
sort
of
be
evidenced
by
this
kind
of
trial
period.
A
N
T
Well,
the
last
thing
I'll
say
chair
was
it
blew
up
today.
Was
somebody
sent
out
a
there's,
apparently
a
litigation
going
on
that
I
wasn't
aware
of,
but
in
nelson
and
indoor
marion
county,
this
bill.
That
was
not
even
discussed
in
any
of
our
discussions
or
talks.
This
is
basically
available
to
every
school
district
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
in
order
to
alleviate
the
waiting
period,
that
is
costing
the
taxpayers
the
districts
thousands
and
upon
hundreds
of
thousands,
even
millions
of
dollars.
T
H
A
C
Time
discuss
briefly
the
bonding
authority.
This
doesn't
allow
a
school
district
to
go
above
its
bonding
capacity
or
authority.
Correct.
T
That's
correct:
they
start
to
follow
state
law.
They
still
have
to
follow
bonding
law.
They
still
follow
federal
law.
What
it
does
is
stops
this
waiting
for
waivers
there's
about
five
or
six
people
in
the
kde
that
make
all
these
decisions.
They
just
simply
can't
handle
the
load.
A
H
A
Right
by
a
vote
of
eight,
I
votes
one
no
vote
the
bill
passes.
Thank
you
very
much
representative.
Thank
you
all.
I
also
want
to
thank
everyone
who
testified
today
greatly
appreciate
the
civility
of
the
room,
thank
you
to
all
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
all
the
different
capacities
of
those
that
testify
today.