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C
A
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
Juvenile
Justice
has
been
a
Hot
Topic,
the
last
several
weeks
and
I'm
glad
you
all
can
make
it
today
to
discuss
this
topic
and
the
numbers
and
budgets
surrounding
it
and
if
you
all,
want
to
proceed,
I
may
interrupt
shortly
in
depending
on
what
stated
what
questions
I
might
have,
but
I
will
try
not
to
interrupt
too
much.
So
if
you
all
want
to
proceed.
Thank.
C
You
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
having
us
today,
you're
right.
This
is
a
very
serious
and
and
in
current
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
so
commissioner
Reed
and
I
will
provide
you
today
a
comprehensive
overview.
You
know
of
of
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
the
challenges
that
are
facing,
particularly
the
Detention
Center
component
of
the
department,
the
actions
the
Administration
has
taken
and
art
and
is
currently
taking
and
will
describe
some
of
the
recommendations
the
administration
is
making
that
we
made
in
a
presentation
to
the
Juvenile
Justice
work
group.
C
Mr
chairman,
you
were
part
of
recently
so
just
to
say,
I'm
sitting
in
for
secretary
Kerry
Harvey
today,
secretary
Harvey
had
a
already
rescheduled
medical
procedure
that
he
couldn't
delay
today,
so
I'm
kind
of
sitting
in
his
place
and
and
then
commissioner
Reed
and
I
will
tag
team
a
little
bit
on
this
presentation
and
and
Mr
chairman
anytime.
You
want
to
ask
questions.
C
You
know
we're
happy
happy
to
stop
and
go
through
that,
but
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
this
committee,
the
general
other
members
of
the
general
assembly
on
on
Crafting.
You
know
some
some
improvements.
You
know
to
this
important
public
policy
issue,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
commissioner
to
introduce
herself
and
start
on
the
presentation.
D
Thank
you
I'm
happy
to
be
here
this
morning
talking
about
my
favorite
subject,
which
is
Juvenile,
Justice
and
I.
I
come
into
this
with
a
a
background.
I
think
that's
very
fitting
for
it.
I
have
a
master's
in
criminal
justice
with
a
specialization
in
Juvenile,
Justice
and
I've-
probably
done
just
about
everything
you
can
do.
I've
worked
in
the
Detention
Center
I've
been
a
probation
officer.
I
ran
an
agency
that
ran
group
homes
for
adolescent
teens.
D
One
of
the
things
a
couple
of
things
I'm
most
proud
about
is
I
started.
The
first
foster
care
Review
Board
in
Lexington
before
there
was
ever
AOC
involvement
before
that
became
a
thing.
I
also
started
the
emergency
shelter
for
teens.
D
That
is
there
and
it
has
continued
to
this
day,
and
it
is
the
only
shelter
still
operating
in
Lexington,
so
I'm
proud
that
I
was
involved
with
that
I
moved
on
eventually
to
state
government,
I
worked
for
back,
then
the
cabinet
for
families
and
children
and
back
then
DJJ
was
not
formed
and
juvenile
Services
were
under
that
that
division.
So
when
DJJ
was
created,
I
moved
over
and
was
involved.
D
D
We
were
in
the
middle
of
a
national
pandemic,
a
national
work
shortage
and
then
I
have
to
say
mother
nature
didn't
help
us
I'd
only
been
there
a
few
months
and
the
tornadoes
came
and
I
don't
know
if
you
realize
it,
but
we
had
a
facility
right
there
in
Mayfield
that
got
hit
and
we
had
our
staff
and
kids
huddled
in
the
building
as
everything
ripped
through
there.
Fortunately,
everybody
was
okay,
but
the
building
sustained
fairly
major
hit
extensive.
D
We
had
to
move
all
the
kids
out
within
a
few
hours
to
all
of
our
other
facilities,
and
if
that
wasn't
enough,
then
the
floods
came
and
we
had
three
facilities
in
Jackson
Kentucky
and
we
had
staff
unable
to
they'd
lost
their
home.
Some
of
them
everything
gone
some
just
the
car.
Some
were
roomed
across
a
creek,
so
we
had
to
close
one
of
our
group
homes
right.
There
move
those
kids
out,
try
to
move
our
staff
over
there
to
cover
that,
so
that,
with
the
other
issues
we
it
really
has
been
a
challenging
year.
D
So
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
you
know
talk
about
with
Juvenile
Justice
a
little
explanation
of
of
how
it
all
works
and
it's
kind
of
a
very
complicated
thing,
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
any
other
agency,
maybe
one
that
deals
with
the
range
of
what
we
do.
We
can
have
an
11
year
old,
that's
in
our
facility
for
skipping
school
and
we
could
have
an
almost
18
year
old
who's
in
there
who's
murdered
three
people
and
so
we're
dealing.
D
You
know
we're
looking
at
one
place
for
a
kid
to
try
to
find
a
foster
home
and
we
have
another
one
who
is
two
days
away
from
turning
18
and
on
his
18th
birthday.
The
Adult
Jail
will
come
at
midnight
and
pick
him
up
because
he's
being
tried
and
adult
and
is
facing
a
life
sentence
and
moving
to
the
adult
jail.
So
we're
really
really
have
a
wide
range
of
things.
D
So
let
me
start
with
just
kind
of
explaining
the
thing
people
know
most
about
which
is
our
facilities,
and
you
can
see
there
on
this
slide.
We
have
four
different
types:
the
regional
juvenile
detention
centers
are
primarily
for
pre-adjudicated.
Kids-
and
these
are
the
kids
involved
in
the
court
process-
they've
been
arrested
for
most
of
them
arrested,
but
they're
still
pending.
You
know:
what's
what
the
court
outcome
is
going
to
be
for
their
case
and
we
have
eight
of
those
and
you
can
see
where
they
are
there.
D
We
also
have
our
post
disposition,
and
this
is
after
the
youth
has
gone
before
the
court.
The
court
has
made
a
determination.
They
have
committed
them
or
sentenced
them
to
us,
and
then
we
place
them
in
one
of
these
facilities.
So
we
we
have
seven
Youth
Development
Centers,
you
see
the
five
listed
two
and
Adair
and
Campbell
are
a
dual
function.
So
those
those
count
in
there.
We
also
have
group
homes.
We
have
eight
of
those
and
one
nice
thing
about
the
group
home
since
you
all
are
the
budget
folks.
D
Is
we
get
Medicaid
for
those
which
is
pays
for
a
lot
of
things?
If
we
have
a
youth
in
a
Youth,
Development
Center
who
needs
surgery,
it's
State
dollars
that
pay
for
that.
But
if
you
use
this
in
a
group
home,
then
Medicaid
will
do
that.
We
also
Bill
Medicaid
for
our
treatment
services.
So
we
like
to
say
the
group
homes
are
one
of
our
more
financially
advantageous
programs
and
also
they're
good
for
kids,
because
they're
smaller
and
can
serve
specific
functions.
So
we
like
those
too
our
final
one.
D
There
is
the
day
treatment,
centers
and
we
operate
six
that
are
DJJ
operated
and
we
contract
for
18
others
with
local
school
districts.
So
we
serve
a
lot
of
kids
in
those
programs.
Those
can
be
for
kids
who
have
finished
the
program
like
they've,
been
at,
say:
Lake
Cumberland
there,
one
of
our
facilities
and
they've
gone
back
home.
Well,
rather
than
put
them
back
in
regular
school,
we
might
have
them
go
through
our
day
treatment
program
as
part
of
their
re-entry.
We
have
some
probated
kids
in
which
the
judge
orders
them
to
attend.
D
We
have
some
that
just
come
from
Pure
School
referrals,
so
that
all
of
them
work
a
little
bit
differently.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
in
a
nutshell.
What
we
have
if
you
want
to
the
other
on
there,
so
we
have
a
total
of
29
facilities
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
how
many
we
have.
D
A
D
The
one
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
on
there,
because
this
is
a
unique
thing
for
Kentucky
is
our
alternatives
to
detention.
We
are
probably
the
only
state
in
the
nation
that
has
this
sort
of
a
system
and
I
think
if
you
talk
to
any
of
the
juvenile
court
judges,
they
will
tell
you
it's
a
function.
D
They
really
appreciate-
and
this
is
the
ability,
instead
of
placing
a
kid
in
secured
attention,
that
we
can
put
them
on
some
sort
of
home
detention,
either
with
or
without
electronic
monitoring,
or
for
some
youth
who
would
go
into
detention
purely
because
the
family
situation
is
such,
they
can't
go
home.
You
know
we
can
place
them
in
a
foster
home
or
in
a
shelter
program
and
not
have
them
in
our
facility.
D
So
if
you're
looking
at
208
of
these
kids,
our
average
facility
for
detention
like
in
Boyd
well
Boyd
is
one
of
our
smaller
ones.
It's
30,
but
most
of
the
other
ones
are
40.
you're
talking
about
five
additional
centers.
You
would
have
to
have
to
house
those
kids
if
we
weren't
able
to
do
that.
So
I
always
like
to
tout
that
as
one
of
the
better
things
that
we
do,
and
we
have
a
map
here,
just
kind
of
shows
you
where
we're
spread
out
pretty
much
all
throughout
the
state
with
different
or
different
facilities.
D
So
detention
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
because
it's
got
It's
kind
of
our
like
I
said
it's
the
one
that's
been
most
in
the
news
and
it's
also
the
one
that
is
the
one
of
the
first
things
that
we're
involved
with
that
and
before
there
was
ever
Senate
Bill
200
for
anybody
old
enough
as
me,
or
whatever
there
was
House
Bill
117
and
that
created
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice.
D
It
came
out
as
a
result
of
the
consent
decree
that
we
were
under
and
at
that
time
it
went
from
being
a
county
operated,
detention
to
a
state
operated
and
at
the
time
it
was
County.
There
was
only
two
Standalone
juvenile
detention
centers
that
was
in
Fayette
and
Louisville.
The
other
kids
were
in
adult
jails
and
had
some
very
poor
consequences,
as
a
result
of
that,
so
DJJ
became
the
state
agency
to
also
do
detention.
D
So
what
we
did
was
we
broke
the
state
up
and
we
had
catchment
areas
and
the
catchment
areas
went
to
their
assigned
detention
center
and
so
just
like
an
adult
jail,
there
was
a
mixture
of
population,
so
you
had
girls
and
boys
in
the
facility.
You
had
the
staff,
his
offender
11
year,
old
I
talked
about
and
the
17
year
old
and
the
same,
and
that
has
been
the
system
since
it
was
established
several
years
ago.
D
So
then
Senate
Bill
200
came
along
in
2014
and
it
did
remove
a
lot
of
or
the
low-level
kids,
which
is
what
it
was
supposed
to
do
and
it
did
it
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing
and
they
moved
them
to
Alternative
Community
Options.
So
we
have
court
designated
workers
and
others
that
do
a
lot
of
those
diversion
efforts.
D
D
So
basically,
what
happened
is
you
did
that
we
had
a
change
in
the
population
that
we
served
and
we
saw
a
lot
more
serious
level,
kids
in
the
building
which,
again,
that
was
the
purpose
of
it,
because
we
also
know
all
the
research
shows
that
mixing
low-level
kids
with
more
serious
kids
is
not
a
good
thing
that
they
become
worse
from
doing
that.
So
we
want
to
to
keep
that
away
from
them.
So
you
can
see
on
the
next
page
too,
there's
a
little
increased
two
of
the
the
felonies.
D
You
can
see
how
they
went
from
42.9
to
72,
certainly
a
major
change,
capital
offenses
and
Class
A
and
B's
also
increased
and
and
I
just
you
know,
I
have
to
mention
that
from
my
first
stint
in
DJJ,
when
I
first
left
in
2004
and
came
back.
If
we
had
a
kid
on
capital
murder
in
one
of
our
buildings
back,
then
we
were
kind
of
like
everybody
was
sort
of
like
wow.
D
D
The
court
designated
worker
is
going
to
be
involved,
they're,
going
to
use
their
screening
instruments,
they're
going
to
be
contacting
the
judge
and
they're
going
to
be
making
the
decision,
whether
the
youth
is
goes
back
home
or
if
the
judge
determines
the
youth
should
be
taken
to
secured
attention,
and,
if
is
that
is
the
outcome
law
enforcement
brings
them
to
us
and,
like
I
said
they
bring
them
to
us,
they
ring
the
doorbell
or
whatever,
and
that's
the
first
time
we've
seen
that
kid.
We
know
nothing
about
them.
D
We've
got
a
sheep
that
has
their
name
their
charge,
their
age
whatever,
and
we
don't
know
anything
else.
We
don't
know
if
they're
on
medication,
we
don't
know
their
school
level,
whether
they're,
you
know
a
junior
reading
on
a
fifth
grade
level
or
in
the
gifted
classes.
We
don't
know
their
food
allergies,
we
don't
know
anything
so
there's
a
lot
of
triaging
that
goes
on,
and
so
we
may
have
these
kids
just
a
very
short
time.
D
Kids
don't
get
bail
in
juvenile
court;
instead
they
get
a
detention
hearing,
that's
the
legal
process
and
that
has
to
happen
within
24
to
48
hours,
excluding
weekends
and
holidays
of
their
arrest.
So
you
actually
might
have
a
kid
come
in.
You
know,
Monday
night,
just
before
midnight
and
Tuesday
morning
at
eight
he's
taken
out
for
court
and
that
that's
it
we
never
see
them
again.
So
they're
only
with
us
a
few
hours
they
may
come
in
on
a
Friday
go
to
court
Monday
morning
get
released.
We
never
see
them
again.
D
Some
do
come
back,
they
are
held
till
further
Court
processes
or-
and
so
you
know
some
other-
an
aunt
comes
up
willing
to
take
them
or
find
them
an
alternative
or
whatever,
but
every
time
they
leave
and
go
to
court.
We
have
no
idea
if
they're
coming
back,
that
is
a
Judicial
decision
and
not
something
that
that
DJJ
is
involved
in
at
the
bottom
there
if
they
do
commit
the
youth
to
us
and
we
make
a
determination
of
the
placement
and
then
we'll
transport
them
to
their
next
place.
D
Where
they'll
go
so
we
basically
have
two
types
of
kids,
as
I
mentioned
before
the
pre-adjudication
kids
and
the
post
adjudication,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute
and
as
I
mentioned,
the
juvenile
detention
centers
mainly
have
the
the
kids
who
are
awaiting
a
court
process
and
beginning
in
this
year.
In
December,
we've
started
a
whole
new
system
and
we
are
now
separating
girls
and
boys.
D
D
But
this
is
something
a
a
new
that
is
a
I,
think,
a
broad,
bold
step
that
we're
doing
and
something
needed
for
our
kids.
That
were
also
in
the
the
detention
model.
D
As
I
said,
you
know
we're
housing,
kids
across
all
different
risks.
Crimes
individual
needs,
the
averaging.
The
stay
is
is
really
kind
of
hard
to
get
because
you
may
have
some
of
those
kids
or
their
hours.
You
may
have
some
who
are
there
a
few
days
weeks,
and
then
we
actually
have
the
youth
who
are
going
through.
The
circuit
court
process
tried
as
adults
and
they
may
stay
years.
We've
had
a
kid
up
to
three
years
waiting
and
some
of
them
still
aren't
even
done.
They
they
get
moved
to
the
adult
jail.
D
We
have
some
kids,
who
are
five
and
six
years
and
still
haven't,
had
a
a
final
resolution
of
their
court
case.
So
those
kind
of
inflate
our
numbers
and
it's
really
hard
to
get
a
true
length
of
stay
I
think
I
already
mentioned
the
fact
that
we
do
a
lot
of
triaging
with
that
and
the
other
thing
then
on.
D
There
is
because
of
that
ongoing
kids
coming
in
and
out
all
the
time
and
not
knowing
how
long
they're
going
to
be
there
and
in
the
pre-adjudication
we're
somewhat
limited
on
what
we
can
do
in
detention.
What
we
do
have
is
mental
health
services
and
education
services
that
we
do.
Our
counselors
will
help
the
kids
contact
their
parents,
which
we're
very
liberal
with
our
calls
to
families
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
of
you
are
aware
of
Criminal
Justice
stuff,
but
generally
a
lot
of
States
charge.
D
You
know
when
the
kids
charge
home
the
parents
have
to
pay
for
it
or
their
kids
pay
for
it.
We
all
of
our
calls
are
free.
We
we
encourage
contact
our
counselors
work
with
the
kids
to
to
maintain.
They
get
calls
home
and
they
get
some
Zoom
calls
also
so
that
they
can
keep
those
family
connections
going.
They
also
will
we
have
a
lot
of
kids
on
suicide
risk
precautions
and
that's
another
thing.
We
screen
the
youth,
we
ask
them
if
they've
ever
tried
to
kill
themselves
or
commit
suit
harm
themselves.
D
We
try
to
find
out.
You
know
if
they've
been
depressed
if
they've
been
receiving
prior,
you
know
Mental,
Health,
Services
and
as
needed,
we
make
referrals.
We
have
our
own
mental
health
staff
that
we
can
make
our
chief
psychiatrist
and
our
regional
psychologist,
who
can
come
in
and
assist
and
make
those
referrals
and
sometimes
medication,
management
and
so
forth.
The
other
thing
that
we
do
is
the
education.
We
have
kids
from
fourth
grade
to
college
and
in
the
same
in
the
same
classroom.
Basically,
we
do
a
lot
of
credit
recovery.
D
Education
is
probably
our
strongest
point
for
detention
that
we
can
do,
because
we
we
can
try
to
do
some
assessment
and
find
out
where
the
kid
is
and
try
to
get
them,
and
we
actually
have
some
kids
that
do
actually
graduate
more
It's,
usually
the
kids
who
are
in
there
for
a
long
time,
pending
court
processes
as
an
adult
that
are
more
likely,
but
to
get
their
GED
or
high
school
diploma
and
the
other.
The
other
thing
on
the
the
limitations
and
detention
for
formal
treatment
that
people
don't
want
to
understand.
D
They'll
say
well,
like
the
kid
Works
their
way
through
the
program.
Well,
they
do
not
because
again,
they
are
only
there,
while
the
Court's
deciding
what
to
do
with
them.
So
we
don't
do
treatment
like
we
do
in
our
post
disposition
programs.
First
off,
we
actually
have
kids,
Believe,
It
or
Not
Who
come
here
and
who
cases
will
be
dismissed
and
they
were
not
guilty
for
what
they
were
charged.
The
fact
that
they
haven't
been
found
guilty
also
means
they
have
a
right
to
refuse
treatment.
D
If
we
were
going
to
give
treatment,
we
would
actually
have
to
get
informed
consent
from
the
parent
to
do
that.
I
think
you
can
probably
understand
that
if
your
child
was
arrested,
you
wouldn't
necessarily
want
somebody
assuming
something
that
they
need
without
you
know,
any
finding
of
guilt
or
whatever,
and
the
other
thing
that
that
inhibits
this
is
that
effective
treatment,
what
we
do
in
our
post
disposition.
We
talk
about.
What's
got
you
here
today
and
we
talk
about
what
you've
done.
D
The
things
you've
done,
why
you've
done
them,
and
you
really
can't
have
that
discussion
in
detention,
because
the
kids
have
attorneys,
who
are
going
to
say,
don't
talk
to
anybody
and
if
they
do,
our
staff
do
not
have
the
confidentiality.
So
if
somebody
could
subpoena
them
and
say
what
did
that
kid
tell
you
in
group,
did
he
tell
you
he
did
this
or
whatever?
So
we
have
to
be
really
careful
about
what
we
do
on
that
and
we
actually
have
some
youth
who
don't
need
Treatment
Services.
D
You
know
if
you
have
a
kid
coming
in,
because
they're,
stealing
food
and
they're
hungry,
probably
what
we
need
to
do
is
get
somebody
to
work
with
the
family
to
get
some
Financial
Resources
out
there.
It's
not
cognitive.
Behavioral
therapy
may
not
help
in
that
circumstance.
So
again
we
just
see
a
real
large
number
of
of
kids
across
the
state
now
post
adjudication,
it's
a
whole
other
thing
when
they,
when
they
come
to
that,
we
know
tons
about
them.
We
have
our
community
worker.
D
Every
youth
gets
one
and
they're
going
to
talk
with
the
family.
We're
going
to
find
out
all
the
medical
information,
the
mental
health
we're
going
to
get
school
records.
We're
going
to
look
at.
You
know
anything
and
everything
we
can
find
out
about
that
youth
and
then
we'll
go
through
a
classification
which
is
a
panel
meeting
and
decide
which
of
our
facilities
would
best
serve
that
youth
and
we're
going
to
look
at
the
offense.
You
know
what
risks
they
have
to
the
community.
We're
also
going
to
we
just
know
our
facilities.
We
know.
D
Lake
Cumberland
does
really
well
with
a
lot
of
the
mental
health
kids,
so
that's
maybe
Target
from
them.
If
we
have
our
younger
kids,
we
may
try
to
Target
them
more.
For
a
group
home,
one
of
our
group
homes
is
for
Independent
Living
For
Youth,
who
have
nobody
to
go
back
to
and
they're
nearing
emancipation
age
and
that
that's
up
in
Ashland
and
a
lot
of
those
kids.
D
We
have
gone
to
like
Job,
Corps
and
and
they
I
think
they've
actually
worked
at
one
of
the
local
fast
food
places
up
there
and
are
able
to
save
up
some
money
to
help
help
him
get
an
apartment.
But
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
have
a
kid
stay
with
us
in
our
building
at
18
and
open
the
door
and
say
bye,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
transition
those
kids
in
a
careful
thoughtful
way.
So
we're
able
to
do
a
lot
of
individual
things
and
I
did
mention
our
day.
D
Treatment
centers
and
these,
as
I've
said,
are
for
all
sorts
of
different
kids
that
that
we
might
do
and
for
those
that
are
going
to
remain
in
their
own
home
so
that
chart
there
will
just
kind
of
show
you
the
the
breakdown
there
of
what
we
were
talking
about,
and
the
other
thing
I
don't
want
to
forget
to
tell
you
about
too,
is
our
community
services,
and
this
is
something
a
lot
of
people
kind
of
forget.
The
facilities
get
most
of
the
the
attention
and
so
forth,
but
we
have
offices
across
the
state.
D
We
have
37
offices,
juvenile
service
workers
and
we
do
probation
and
also
what
a
lot
of
people
would
call
parole,
but
we
call
it
Aftercare.
We
try
to
stay
away
from
some
of
the
adult
terms
for
youth
coming
back
out
of
the
facility
to
help
transition
them
back.
They
they
begin
working,
Irene
entry,
the
day
the
kid
goes
and
they
work
with
the
family.
They
help
set
up
family
visits.
We
have
family
counseling
involved
in
the
facilities.
The
workers
will
come
be
involved
in
that,
so
they
also
prepare
all
the
predisposition
reports
for
the
court.
D
D
C
I'm
so
good,
let
me
I
just
want
to
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
focusing
on
Mr
chairman
is
that
distinction
between
pre-adjudication
and
detention
facilities
and
post
adjudication
and
their
facilities
and
programs
what
Senate,
Bill
200
also
included
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
first
states
in
the
country
where
we
focused
on
evidence-based
treatment
programs
in
those
post,
adjudication
programs
and
facilities,
and
that's
that's,
been
a
that's
a
trend.
C
That's
been
going
on
in
the
criminal
justice
system
now
for
years
and
in
the
department
for
Juvenile
Justice
is
a
you
know,
is
a
practitioner
of
ensuring
that
we
have
evidence-based
treatment
programs
that
really
have
been
proven
through
studies
and
and
studies
of
studies.
You
know
to
be
effective.
C
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
that
going
back
to
the
historical
part
that
the
commissioner
spoke
about
is
it
was
in
1995
that
the
you
know
that
the
U.S
Department
of
Justice
notified
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
that
they
were
going
to
be
investigating
our
various
juvenile
treatment,
juvenile
facilities
and
those
cases.
Those
were
County
operated
facilities,
as
the
commissioner
had
said,
and
then
in
1996.
As
a
result
of
their
findings,
due
to
the
conditions
that
they
found,
the
Commonwealth
entered
into
a
consent
decree
with
the
U.S
Department
of
Justice
I
will
mention.
C
You
know,
since
the
this
is
a
budget
subcommittee
in
the
1997
special
session
on
post-secondary
education.
That's
when
we
first
started
funding
the
state,
operated,
detention
facilities,
the
capital
budgets
and
and
moving
in
that
direction,
and
the
creation
of
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice.
C
So
we've
come
a
long
way
for
there,
but
but
the
distinction
that
we're
drawing
between
pre-adjudication
and
the
detention,
centers
and
post
adjudication
is
really
critical,
because
the
problems
that
have
Arisen
recently
are
in
the
detention
centers,
as
you
all
known
that
there
have
been
acts
of
violence
that
have
occurred
in
these
detention
facilities
that
have
both
harmed
the
youth
and
the
workers
and
those
detention,
staff
facilities
and
they've
been
life-threatening,
and
some
facilities
have
incurred
substantial
property
damage
due
to
some
of
the
youth
who
are
acting
out
in
those
facilities.
C
You
know
one
of
the
core
foundational
issues
around
that
is
Staffing
the
and
the
lack
thereof.
Just
like
an
adult
Correctional
Institution,
you
have
to
have
the
right
amount
of
posts,
the
right
amount
of
Manpower
there
to
control
and
contain
and
prevent
these
kinds
of
activities.
Among
this.
C
This
varied
group
that
the
Commissioners
talked
about
from
from
individuals
who've
committed
violence
to
to
individuals
who
were
there
because
the
court
said
to
detain
them
before
their
Court
appearances
and
so
we've,
and
so
these
acts
of
violence
and
these
interruptions
not
only
cause
harm,
but
they
they
interrupt.
The,
for
example,
the
educational
facilities,
the
six
hours
of
Education
that
they
want
to
have
that
we
want
to
have
in
those
detention,
centers
and
so
security
has
become
more
Paramount.
As
the
as
one
of
the
prior
slides
showed.
C
We
have
a
lot
larger
percentage
of
of
we'll
call
it
high
crime
charged
individuals
in
there
than
before,
a
greater
share,
not
only
because
of
Senate
Bill
200
but
the
but
the
superintendents
at
these
detention,
centers
local
law
enforcement
and
now
I'm
I'm.
Paraphrasing
what
secretary
Harvey
has
learned
in
his
conversations
with
law
enforcement
around
the
around
the
state
is
there's
definitely
a
change
in
the
level
of
violence
and
propensity
for
violence.
A
C
No
I'll
be
glad
to,
in
fact,
I've
got
a
slide
here
in
in
a
minute.
That'll
address
that
on
on
one
of
the
things
that
we've
got
is
is
when
this
Administration
came
in.
There
have
been
some
small
previous
attempts,
but
a
youth
worker
at
a
Detention
Center
who
started
with
the
Department
was
making
about
thirty
thousand
dollars.
Let
me
just
jump
to
a
slide.
I
think
that
will
help
and-
and
we
have
had
and
I'll
go
back
even
a
little
bit
before
that
Mr
chairman
in
the
2018-2020
budget.
C
There
was
a
recognition
of
the
need
for
more
Staffing
in
the
in
the
in
the
detention
centers
particularly,
and
there
was
funding
provided,
but
actually
the
Staffing
levels
dropped.
Even
though
there
was
a
recognition
of
the
need
for
more
staff,
and
so
in
essence,
the
funding
that
was
put
there
to
provide
more
staff
didn't
occurred.
It
didn't
get
implemented
because
we
couldn't
attract
the
workers
there
and
so
in
December
of
2021,
the
governor
had
announced
a
10
Race
for
all
security
positions
at
Juvenile
Justice.
C
We
did
the
same
thing
at
the
same
time
with
the
Adult
Correctional
institutions
because
of
the
difficulty
in
Staffing,
our
Adult
Correctional
institutions
there,
and
so
that
10
percent
went
into
place
just
at
that
point
in
time
it
was
carried
through
in
the
budget
process.
You
all
provided
the
amount
of
funding
the
governor
recommended
to
sustain
that
and
then
in
the
budget.
As
you
all
know,
there
was
an
eight
percent
across
the
board
increase
for
all
state
employees
affecting
also
Juvenile
Justice.
C
So
in
those
two
actions
right,
we
raised
the
pay
from
30
000
to
you
know
almost
another
20
percent
that
didn't
solve
the
problem.
C
That
was
through
what
we
call
a
locality
premium,
which
we
often
use
in
the
correctional
institutions
as
well
to
give
a
higher
pay
to
a
particular
location
and
a
particular
job
type
like
a
correctional
officer
or
the
youth
service
worker
and
still
not
seeing
the
full
thing.
So
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
in
representative
Petrie
asked
me
this
question
is:
why
did
you
pick
you
know
this?
This
value
to
a
to
the
salary
to
attract
and
part
of
it
is
a
combination
of
it.
C
C
What
is
a
figure
for
which
we
can
think
we
can
get
a
higher
number
of
Staffing
there,
and
so
fifty
thousand
dollars
is
kind
of
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
we
we
chose
to
make
that
effort
and
just
went
into
effect
earlier
this
month
and
we're
starting
to
see
a
little
bit
of
Greater
interest,
we're
still
too
early
to
say
keeping
up
with
the
the
cabinet,
the
department
and
the
Personnel
cabinet,
who
is
also
working
with
the
cabinet
to
try
to
post
and
attract
and
Market
these
positions
with
it.
C
About
the
same
time,
the
Fayette
Urban
County
Government
announced
that
they're
raising
their
beginning
pay
of
their
of
their
jail
workers
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
with
a
three
thousand
dollar
signing
vote.
So
they
they're
kind
of
incorporating
the
same
idea
of
we're
incrementally
moving
up
the
level
of
salary
so
that
we
can
attract
enough
people
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
create
a
staffing
pattern
within
the
detention
centers
that
requires
that
provides
a
safe
and
secure
facility.
C
For
the
Youth,
who
are
there
and
the
staff
who
are
working
in
there,
and
so
in
order
to
finance
that
in
the
current
fiscal
year,
Mr
chairman,
we
have
essentially
because
we
had
so
many
positions,
we
couldn't
hire.
So
we
you
know,
so
we
decided
to
devote
those
resources
rather
than
remaining
dormant.
You
know
to
this
increase
in
pay
and.
C
Let
me
explains
only
the
the
youth
workers,
who
are
now
being
re-u,
positioned
as
correctional
officers
in
the
eight
detention
centers
correct,
because
that
is
the
area
that
we've
had
the
biggest
problem.
It's
where
we
have
the
violent
attacks,
it's
where
we
have
the
most
vacant
positions
and
the
least
amount
of
Staffing.
C
The
commissioner
can
talk
about
in
some
of
these
other
areas
in
the
Youth
Development
Centers,
the
group
homes,
the
day
treatment
centers,
we
have
other
youth
workers
and
who
do
really
great
work,
but
we're
not
having
anywhere
near
the
same
kind
of
Staffing
problems
in
those
facilities
as
we
are
in
the
Detention
Center.
So
the
idea
here
was
to
Target.
It
was
to
Target
these
solutions
to
this
targeted
problem
in
the
detention
centers,
and
so
so.
C
A
Have
a
two-part
question
and
then
I
believe
representative
Kulkarni
has
a
question:
what
are
your
thoughts
on
House,
Bill,
3
and
how's?
How
does
that
compare
to
the
administration's
proposal
to
retrofit
the
London
facility?
One.
C
Of
the
things
in-house
Bill
3,
there
is
an
appropriation
of
8.9
million
dollars
to
retrofit
I'll,
say
the
former
detention
center
located
in
downtown
Louisville,
at
least
that's
what
we
believe
that
was
intended
there,
because
we
also
operate
a
facility,
as
you
mentioned,
Mr
chairman
in
in
Jefferson
County
and
Linden
Kentucky,
that
was
put
in
place
after
the
Louisville
Jefferson
Metro
government
decided
to
no
longer
provide
Detention
Center
services
to
the
Jefferson
County
Youth,
and
that's
something
I
want
to
make
sure.
C
Everybody
knows
that
in
late
2019,
that
was
the
only
Detention
Center
in
the
Commonwealth
operated
by
a
locality
and
that's
been
a
long
Arrangement
between
the
department
and
then
Louisville
Metro,
and
they
decided
to
no
longer.
They
didn't
have
to
do
it
by
law.
It
was
an
agreement.
There
was
a.
There
was
an
agreement
by
which
we
paid
him
a
certain
dollar
figure
per
day
per
youth.
So
they
didn't.
They
didn't
finance
that
the
Commonwealth
did,
but
they
operated
it.
So
we
shifted
when
they
closed
down.
C
We
had
to
shift
over
to
the
facility
in
Linden,
which
was
previously
a
Youth
Development
Center,
not
intended
to
be
a
full
Detention.
Center
I
had
to
make
some
some
retrofits
to
make
that
try
to
make
that
a
more
appropriate
secure
facility
going
back
to
House
Bill
3
representative
bratcher
he's
got
in
there
a
Dollar
figure
to
retrofit
the
facility
downtown.
Now
we
are
in
communication
with
the
Louisville
Metro
Government,
because
we,
the
Commonwealth,
hasn't
with
our
finance,
Administration
cabinet
and
our
facilities.
C
Folks,
within
the
justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
in
the
Department
of
Juvenile,
we
haven't
done
a
full
walk
through
there
to
see
what
are
the
renovations
that
would
be
necessary
to
to
bring
that
facility
back
to
a
secure,
Detention
Center.
So
the
first
reaction
to
that
is
I,
don't
know
if
8.9
million
is
the
right
number,
because
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
go
in
there
and
kind
of
determine
what
are
the?
C
Secondly,
another
issue
is
that
project
in
House
Bill
3
is
appropriated
next
year.
We
need
the
money
this
year,
so
we
can
get
started
as
soon
as
possible
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
that
facility.
Thirdly,
the
Commonwealth
as
a
practice
does
not
appropriate
funds
to
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
to
retrofit
another
government's
building.
We
don't
do
that
with
the
private
sector.
We
don't
do
it
with
the
public
sector,
so
we
need
to
work
through
well
who's
building.
Is
that
and
when
does
the
Commonwealth
put
investment
in
there?
C
The
goal,
though,
is
to
create
a
facility
in
for
that
area
of
the
state
that
can
handle
higher
security
offenders.
So
we
all
agree
on
the
goal,
which
is
which
is
to
have
a
location
in
our
largest
community
in
the
Commonwealth
that
can
handle
as
a
Detention
Center.
The
youth
there
now
we'll
add,
just
as
we've
had
challenges
in
our
Adult
Correctional
institutions
in
Oldham
County
right
we've
got
the
Kentucky
State
Reformatory,
the
Luther
Correctional
Complex,
the
rotary
Correctional
Center.
C
We've
had
very
difficulty
keeping
Staffing
up
in
that
labor
market,
which
includes
the
Jefferson
metro
area,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
cautions
I
had
is.
We
might
be
able
to
build
the
facility,
but
will
we
be
able
to
staff
it
because
of
the
you
know,
because
of
the
good
labor
market,
that's
going
on
in
the
Louisville
Metro
Area?
C
Secondly,
on
House
Bill
3,
there
are
Provisions
in
there
that
mandate
the
courts
to
detain
in
youth
offenders
who
have
been
charged
with
certain
crimes
right
now
the
courts
have
that
discretion
as
to
what
is
the
disposition
before
the
pre-detension
hearing
of
of
where
should
a
youth
go?
Should
he
go
home
with
his
family?
Should
he
go
back
to
his
foster
home?
Should
he?
You
know
those
are
questions.
They
decide
so
right
now.
C
We
we
don't
know
if
that
were
to
be
in
place,
how
many
more
youth
would
be
mandatorily
detained
in
Kentucky
in
these
facilities
and
whether
or
not
we
have
the
capacity
much
less
the
Staffing
to
accommodate
that,
so
another
caution
I
would
have
about
that
is
the
administrative
office
of
Court.
This
is
a
three
branch
of
government
problem.
It
is
all
three
branches
of
government
executive
branch,
we're
taking
the
actions
that
we
have
discretion
to
the
judicial
branch
through
the
court
system.
C
Then
the
legislative
branch
and
we'll
talk
about
the
roles
of
appropriating
funds
and
passing
statutory
changes.
So
those
are
my
first
comments.
Mr
chairman
about
about
that
bill.
We
understand
the
spirit
and
intent,
particularly
of
the
of
the
8.9
million,
but
we
think
there
are
some.
There
are
some
things
to
be
further
considered
before
we
really
can
land
on.
You
know
a
position
there
all.
E
E
Since
that's
what
we've
been
talking
about,
my
understanding
is
that
this
fifty
thousand
dollar
increase
in
starting
salary
is
based
on
these
workers
being
reclassified
as
Corrections
Officers,
as
opposed
to
youth
workers,
and
so
my
question
is
around
the
professional
development
and
training
that
these
individuals
are
going
to
get
because
we're
talking
about
kids
I'm
talking
about
just
your
detention
and
not
the
pre-adjudication
centers
at
this
point,
so
I
had
a
question
about
that
in
terms
of
what
training
they're
going
to
get
and
then
a
larger
question
going
back
to
which
was
really
kind
of
triggered
by
one
of
your
previous
slides
talking
about
mental
health
and
education
services
that
are
provided
in
these
in
these
facilities.
E
The
picture
that
you
painted
in
that
situation,
when
you
were
talking
about
it,
is
at
odds
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
reported
as
in
terms
of
what
actually
goes
on
in
the
facilities
and
the
kids
being
locked
up
for
most
of
the
day
as
opposed
to
getting
these
services.
So
my
other
question
has
to
do
with
Staffing
in
terms
of
our
is
there
a
plan
to
hire
any
more
mental
health
workers
or
education
workers
for
these
kids,
or
is
it
just
Corrections
based
and
then?
What
is?
What
is
your
response
to
that?
E
C
Me
address
our
first
question
about
the
raise
in
pay
and
the
transition
to
a
correctional
officer.
Those
aren't
those
aren't
I'll
say
dependent
upon
one
another.
It
was
the
raise
and
pay
to
50
000
was
simply
to
raise
the
pay
to
attract
more
workers
right,
no
matter
what
position
title
we
would
put
on
it:
okay,
the
idea
of
working
with
our
Personnel
cabinet
and
with
the
justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
to
to
reclassify
the
positions.
C
The
correctional
officer
officers
is
to
as
a
distinction
to
youth
service
workers
which
are
in
the
day,
treatment
programs
group
homes.
The
Youth
Development
Centers
is
to
emphasize
the
the
characteristics
of
security
and
and
to
ensure
and
I'll.
Let
the
commissioner
talk
about
training,
ensure
that
they
have
the
proper
kind
of
training
because
of
the
characteristics
of
the
population
has
changed.
C
But
our
approach
in
terms
of
ensuring
a
secure
facility
has
not
adjusted
fully
to
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
higher
crime,
individuals
and
and
and
some
of
the
incidents
that
you've
you've
read
about
I
would
go
back
to,
but
it's
all
all
foundation
on
the
level
of
Staffing
the
number
of
workers
that
we
can
have
there
that
are
really
the
key
to
assuring
the
security
as
I'll.
C
But
training
is
really
critical
and
I'm
glad
you
pointed
out
representative
girl
Carney,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we've
already
initiated
and
I'll-
let
the
commissioner
add,
is
we've
been
working
with
our
department
of
corrections
to
provide
that
kind
of
training
on
defensive
equipment
and
other
security
features
that
they're
just
they're,
that's
what
they
were
trained
for
and
they
were
the
and
there
we've
got
them
right
there
in
the
cabinet
and
they
have
already
begun
that
training
process
for
the
detention
center
staff.
But
let
me
let
the
commissioner
add
to
those
right.
D
And
let
me
let
me
say
that
the
fact
that
we're
switching
over
to
that
job
title
does
not
mean
that
we're
looking
at
the
way
we
treat
kids
completely
different,
we're
not
going
to
still
treat
kids
like
kids.
We
have
a
six-week,
Training
Academy
that
all
new
staff
go
through.
They
start
off
with
at
least
two
weeks
of
on-the-job
training
where
they're.
D
Just
following
and
mentoring,
you
know
being
mentored
in
the
facility
and
and
then
they
they
have
a
week
of
say:
physical
Management
training,
the
restraint
techniques
they
have
a
week
of
Health
Services
protocol,
and
then
they
have
four
other
weeks.
That
includes
a
lot
of
virtual
classes.
Now
on
everything
from
adolescent
brain
development,
trauma-informed
care,
ver,
you
know,
de-escalation
of
Youth
and
all
the
other
types
of
things
that
we
have
for
kids
and
they'll
still
continue
to
get.
That
training
is
always
something
we're
looking
up
around.
D
You
know
our
staff
have
to
even
know
like
how
to
spot
abuse
and
neglect
and
how
to
make
an
abuse
and
neglect
referral,
because
you
may
have
a
kid
coming
into
the
detention
and
in
the
process
of
changing
into
the
uniform.
You
see
where
they
have
belt
marks
all
over
them,
and
so
our
staff
have
to
know
everything
about
a
lot
of
child
welfare
stuff.
D
D
Youth
I
will
state
that
where
we
do
have
issues
with
hiring
those
as
well
well,
and
so,
where
that's
something
we
right
now,
a
lot
of
schools
are
also
hiring
mental
health
folks
and
so
we're
smarter
than
a
sometimes
a
competition
for
who
gets,
who
out
of
the
limited
numbers
that
we
have
in
some
of
the
areas
where
we're
having
difficulty
hiring
those
we're
actually
doing
contracts
with
local
providers
to
come
in
and
do
the
service
with
our
kids.
So
we're
always
looking
to
do
that
and,
like
I
said
we
we
have
our.
D
We
have
our
chief
of
psychiatric
doctor
and
the
two
folks
and
that's
under
a
con
under
him
at
a
contract
with
UK,
and
then
we
have
our
three
regional
psychologists
and
they
have
folks
under
them.
We
have
to
do
all
the
sex
offender
assessments.
They
have
to
assess
for
suicide,
so
we
still
get,
though
they're
still
getting
all
the
mental
health
services.
D
D
So
you
know
this
is
a
relationship,
business
and,
and
you
know,
and
our
youth
workers
become,
you
know
quasi-pearance
in
some
cases,
I
mean
the
kids.
Are
you
know,
you're
talking
about
11
12
13
year
olds
in
some
instance,
so
you
know
they're
still
in
that
sort
of
some
of
our
most
effective
workers.
It's
surprising,
you
may
have
some
20
something
year:
old,
who's,
25
and
six
foot.
D
Two,
but
you
may
have
some
some
62
year
old,
grandma,
that's
in
there
and
she's
the
one
that
keeps
the
kids
in
line
even
better,
because
she's
got
that
parental
voice
and
they
they
they're,
still
kids,
and
they
know
that.
So
you
know
we're
looking
at.
We
have
all
sorts
of
people
who
work
in
there.
We've
also
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
was
because
of
the
covid.
D
We
were
not
able
to
have
the
robust
program
and
we
used
to
have
we
used
to
have
groups
come
in
all
the
time
we
had
Boyz
II
Men.
We
had
arts
on
the
Move
coming
in.
We
had
you
know
Shakespeare
Behind
Bars.
We
had
all
these
and
when
the
pandemic
we
hit,
we
had
to
cut
all
that
out.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
was
we
established
an
Institutional
Rec
leader
for
each
of
our
facilities
and
we're
still
haven't
got
fully
staffed
on
those.
D
But
where
we've
had
those
we've
seen,
you
know
the
ability
to
really
just
keep
the
kids
engaged
to
do
art
stuff
to
do
a
book
club
to
have
yoga
classes.
You
know
just
also
movie
nights,
so
that
has
helped
a
lot.
We've
tried
to
augment
that
program
as
we're
able
now
to
open
back
up
we're
starting
to
reach
out
to
some
of
those
groups.
D
Arts
on
the
Move
comes
in
every
Wednesday
and
spends
four
or
five
hours
doing
an
hour
with
each
group
of
therapeutic
art
classes
for
our
kids
at
Fayette,
and
so
we're
looking
to
duplicate
that
in
some
other
places.
So
we're
programming
is
essential.
So
please
do
not
think
that
we
at
all
are
not
concentrating
on
that.
C
The
answer
is
yes,
because
we
would
still
want
to
separate
high-level
offenders
from
in
a
more
secure,
Detention
Center
than
lower
level
offenders
in
in
the
Linden
facility.
So
we
just
opened
up
the
first
10
beds.
That's
all
we
can
have
right
now
it's
about
a
30
bed
facility.
So
we
see
we
see
the
need
to
have
a
bifurcated
two
sets
of
locations
there
so
that
we
can
have
the
treatment
programs
or
the
services
that
the
commissioner
talked
about
in
the
lower
levels.
More
consistent
and
less
interrupted.
A
C
You're
able
to
remain
a
Detention
Center
again
for
the
lower
level
offenders
in
that
come
out
of
that
Community.
Okay,.
A
That's
previously
about
the
fifty
thousand
dollar,
the
increase
to
fifty
thousand.
If
entry-level
youth
workers
who
are
now
I
guess
dubbed,
as
correctional
officers
currently
receive
fifty
thousand,
what
amount
of
pay
do
upper
echelon
positions
earn,
such
as
maybe
a
Corrections
Lieutenant
Sergeant
Etc?
C
A
C
We
have
to
have
more
staff
here
in
order
to
avoid
the
problems
we've
been
describing
here
today,
and
so
so
we
have
here
on
this
slide.
You
know
they
have
worked
hard
at
revising
and
looking
at
their
Staffing
patterns
within
the
detention
centers
themselves
and-
and
there
is
a
need
for
more
workers
right.
So
if
we
don't
have
more
workers,
we're
not
going
to
solve
this
problem
period
And.
So
in
order
to
have
more
workers,
we
need,
we
need
additional
funding
to
be
able
and
we're
hopeful.
C
A
C
The
ask
is
shown
in
this
slide
here
is
to
sustain
the
fifty
thousand
dollar
increase
in
the
locality
premiums.
I
mentioned
3.2
million
to
really
expand
our
transportation
services
because
of
the
because
of
the
change
in
in
locating
and
detention,
centers,
high-level
offenders
in
our
three
highest
level:
security
facilities,
Adair
Warren
Fayette,
and
try
to
take
the
and
not
try
to
but
take
the
burden
off
local
law
enforcement,
who
now
have
a
greater
Transportation
responsibility
as
they
transport
these
children
and
these
youth
across
the
across
the
the
state.
C
The
hiring
of
more
staff
is
146
more
employees
and
we've
got
a
phase-in
process
that
shows
that
9.7
million
and
the
other
thing
the
secretary
Harvey
has
testified
to
is
the
Department
of
Juvenile.
Justice
really
doesn't
have
a
very
good
I.T
system
for
youth
offender
management
like
we
do
in
Adult
Correctional
institutions,
so
we're
using
Federal
grant
funds
this
year
to
begin
to
implement
that
youth
offender
management
system.
C
We
have
a
small
amount
of
money
to
maintain
that
in
the
outer
years,
just
as
importantly
as
on
the
capital
budget,
we've
identified
a
greater
level
of
security
issues
associated
with
the
physical
plant.
So
we
need
more
perimeter
fencing
in
these
facilities.
We
need
greater
security
for
the
entrance.
The
vehicle
entrance
into
these
facilities,
we're
calling
them
a
security
post,
but
that
can
Encompass
a
physical
post,
including
video
and
cameras
and
other
security
features.
C
We
have
had
our
new
director
of
security,
Larry
Chandler,
who
used
was
awarding
it
six
Adult
Correctional
institutions
in
Kentucky
is
really
well
regarded.
He
has
been
identifying
Within
These
facilities,
certain
security
improvements
that
will
maintain
better
security
inside
the
facility,
and
we
have
a
handful
of
things
at
each
of
the
eight
facilities
we
want
to
do.
We've
got
improvements
of
the
Jefferson
County
Detention
Center
here,
which
is
the
Linden
facility
in
order
to
make
all
30
of
those
cells
what
we
call
wet
cells
right,
so
they've
got
toilets
in
running
water
right
now.
C
We
only
have
10
of
them.
We
need
four
and
a
half
million
to
bring
that
up
to
all
30
locations
and
then
we're
looking
at
you
know:
design
funding
for
new
detention.
Centers
we've
got
to
modernize
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
age
of
some
of
these
facilities
as
age
is,
you
know,
25
years
old
and
the
change
in
the
character
of
some
of
the
youth
that
are
that
are
detained
there.
We're
we're
thinking
about
having
design
funding.
C
You
know
for
a
couple
of
facilities
that
accommodate
this
change
in
location
of
the
detained
Youth
and
to
and
and
could
incorporate.
As
you
said,
Mr
chairman,
you
know
the
other
actions
there
in
the
Jefferson
County
to
assure
a
secure,
Detention
Facility
there
and
then
one
last
thing.
We
don't
want
to
forget
about
our
Correctional
institutions.
We
have
a
significant
staffy
shortage
in
those
locations.
We
have
a.
C
We
have
a
way
in
Kentucky
right
where
that
doesn't
cause
as
great
a
problem
of
overcrowding
in
adult
facilities,
because
we
Kentucky
and
Louisiana
use
our
County
jails
for
a
class
C
and
D
offenders
and
and
locate
them
there.
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
relief
valve
there,
but
we've
got
a
significant
problem
in
hiring
correctional
officers
and
not
just
in
the
Oldham
County
area,
including
Eddyville,
on
the
Kentucky
State
Penitentiary
surgery
Penitentiary
our
maximum
security.
So
we
want
to
also
bring
their
beginning
level
salaries
and
the
cut
locality
premium.
C
I
mentioned
up
to
the
same
level
we're
just
talking
about
for
the
juvenile
detention
centers.
So
that's
another
area
that
that
is
interactive.
In
terms
of
that.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention.
Just
Mr
chairman
we've
done
a
couple
things
temporarily.
We
have
the
state
police
who
are
in
our
highest
security
facilities,
24
7
because
of
the
low
Staffing
just
to
be
a
preventive
and
hopeful
there
they're
not
doing
treatment,
they're,
not
doing
the
services
that
the
commissioner
talked
about,
but
they're
there
as
a
presence
to
help
avoid
some
of
these
significant.
C
You
know
actions
that
have
taken
place,
we're
also
using
as
we've
talked
to
representative
kokarni,
the
Department
of
Corrections
has
really
stepped
up
in
providing
some
advice
and
and
training
so
associated
with,
like
the
defensive
equipment.
So
our
ask:
is
there
on
the
legislative
side
on
the
statutory
side,
two
elements,
one?
We
would
like
to
see
a
statute
that
gives
that
qualifies
these
youth
detainees
for
bail.
We
have
it
for
adults,
we
do
not
have
it
for
youth.
C
If
there's
a
youth
who
is
being
tried
as
an
adult,
they
get
bailed
a
youth
who's
not
tried
as
an
adult
doesn't
get
bail,
it
gives
the
courts
another
tool.
Secondly,
we
would
like
to
remove
status
offenders
and
Class
B
misdemeanors
from
detention
period,
and
so
that's,
including
for
violation
of
court
orders.
Some
of
the
reasons
that
we
are
that
some
of
these
individuals
are
detained
is
because
they
fail
to
appear,
for
example,
in
court,
and
they
wouldn't
otherwise
have
been
at
a
detention
center,
but
they
were
because
of
the
violation
of
court
order.
C
A
Hey,
if
you
could
just
kind
of
a
guesstimate
on
what
the
potential
price
tag
would
be
on
yeah.
C
There
I
think
it's
it's
about
just
short
of
20
million
dollars
in
the
operating
budget,
in
fiscal
24.,
in
about
26
million
dollars
on
the
capital
side
for
juvenile
detention
centers,
and
we're
also
recommending
the
30
million
dollars
on
the
Adult
Correctional
institutional,
Staffing
and
being
budget
director
I
can
tell
you.
I
can
assure
you,
the
money's
there
we're
we've
raised.
The
the
consensus
forecasting
group
raise
the
official
estimate
for
the
current
Year
to
one
1.4
billion
more
than
was
already
budgeted.
C
Now,
that's
just
been
shaved
a
little
bit
with
House
Bill,
one
that
just
got
passed,
lowering
the
income
tax
rate
from
four
and
a
half
to
four
percent.
But
even
if
you
take
that
away,
we
still
have
a
sustained
level
of
recurring
resources
that
are
there
not
only
for
this,
but
for
some
of
the
other
of
the
governor's
Pro
recommendations,
particularly
in
the
area
of
the
K-12
education
and
Universal
Pre-K.
A
Don't
believe
so
well,
this
is
a
very
multifaceted
issue.
Com,
complex
a
lot
of
moving
parts.
A
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
time
dedicated
last
several
weeks
to
this
topic
and
appreciate
you
all
coming
today
and
testifying
and
making
this
presentation
I
do
there
are
some
additional
questions
for
the
sake
of
time,
I'm
not
going
to
ask
if
you
all,
if
I
could
submit
those
to
you
all
and
maybe
some
follow-up
questions
from
today
and
get
the
get
that
back
to
us
and
the
members
I
would
appreciate
it.
C
A
A
Looks
like
JC's
waving
at
us
there
and
then
the
back
I
have
my
banker,
Mark
Strother
I,
think
he's
here
with
the
Kentucky
Bankers
Association.
Today
you
take
out
a
couple
loans.
They
show
up
to
see
you
so
I'll
have
it
paid
by
the
end
end
of
the
month
mark
But.
If
there
are
no
other
questions,
I'm
going
to
adjourn
this
meeting.
Thank
you
all
meetings
adjourned.