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A
A
A
as
a
reminder
to
members.
We
now
have
a
one
minute
limit
on
vote
explanations.
A
Before
we
start,
I
would
like
to
make
an
announcement
and
we'll
have
introductions.
We
have
a
few
post-secondary
groups
here
today
we
have
some
individuals
representing
the
Association
of
Independent
Kentucky
colleges
and
universities.
If
you
would
kind
of
step
in
and
make
yourselves
known,
we
have
Dr
Burton
Webb,
the
University
of
Pikeville.
We
have
Dr
Joe
Hopkins,
president
of
Campbellsville
University.
A
We
have
Mr
Brian
Lewis,
president
of
Transylvania
University.
We
have
Dr
Jerry,
Jackson
trans
Chancellor
of
the
University
of
the
Cumberlands.
We
have
Dr
Leslie,
Reiser
Executive,
Vice
President
for
institutional
advancement,
University
of
Cumberlands
Mr
Mason
Dyer,
president
of
the
Association
of
Independent
Kentucky
colleges
and
universities.
If
we
could
make
these
people
feel
welcome
this
morning,.
A
Many
of
our
members
spoke
to
your
group
earlier
and
we
really
appreciate
you
the
robust
conversation
on
education
in
Kentucky
thanks.
We
have.
We
also
have
people
individuals
from
the
Kentucky
Association
of
student
financial
aid
administrators
in
the
Kentucky
Association
for
College
admission
counseling.
If
you
would
please
stand
at
this
time
to
be
recognized,
please
make
them
feel
welcome.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
West.
We
also
have
here
today
you
know
our
aspiring
Educators
and
we
talk
about
the
teachers
shortage
and
one
of
the
ways
to
address
that
is
to
get
our
young
people
involved
in
education
early
earlier
and
want
to
become
teachers
earlier,
and
we
have
a
number
of
them
today.
With
your
permission,
soon
arrest
like
to
ask
all
our
aspiring
Educators
here
today,
teachers
to
be
the
stand
and
let's
give
them
a
round
of
applause,.
B
A
A
A
D
Proceed,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
Just
a
couple
of
house
cleaning
things
this
bill
throughout
talks
about
parents
and
Guardians
is
applying
to
both
I'll
use
them
interchangeably,
but
I
mean
both
when
I
do
just
to
eliminate
any
confusion
on
that,
and
also
all
the
days
that
I'm
referencing
here
are
for
business
days,
not
actual
calendar
days,
and
all
these
time
frames
that
we
talk
about
There's,
7,
10,
30
day
time
frames.
All
of
those
have
a
have
an
option
to
be
mutually
agreed
to
be
extended,
so
so
I
just
wanted
to
clean
that
up.
D
It
would
be
get
it
we're
getting
away
when
we
started
talking
about
the
guts
of
the
bill.
Mr
chairman
this
bill
is
set
to
address
some
information
that
parents
might
seem
to
might
deem
to
be
harmful
to
their
kids
that
comes
out
in
public
schools.
This
bill's
purpose
is
to
guarantee
the
parents
involvement
to
end
their
child's
access
to
this
material
that
they
may
believe,
is
harmful
to
their
family
values
and
interest.
D
It
defines
six
related
materials
programs
or
events
that
a
parent
may
consider
to
be
offensive
or
unsuitable
to
the
miners.
It
directs
the
boards
of
Education
to
adopt
a
procedure
to
address
the
parent
concerns
over
harmful
material,
and
it
outlines
a
process
for
all
of
this
to
work.
That
process
first
requires
a
parent
upon
identifying
material
to
write,
a
detailed
written
complaint
and
the
statute
directs.
What
has
to
be
in
the
written
complaint
and
then
within
seven
business
days.
D
The
principal
at
that
child's
School
must
do
an
investigation
and
decide
if
the
material
is
to
remain
be
removed
or
to
be
restricted
in
some
manner.
If
it's,
the
content
is
a
program
or
event,
the
principal
must
decide
if
that
program
or
event
is
eligible
for
students
in
the
to
to
be
viewed
in
the
future
and
within
10
days
of
the
filing
of
the
complaint.
The
principal
must
get
with
the
parent
or
guardian
and
inform
them
of
his
or
her
decision
about
the
material.
That's
being
questioned
in
the
complaint.
D
D
This
section
guarantees
parent
input
in
the
board
meeting
when,
when
this
policy
or
when
this
material
or
event
is
being
reviewed
and
within
30
days
of
the
appeal,
the
the
school
board
must
have
a
meeting
and
address
these
issues
in
addressing
these
issues.
They
must
evaluate
this
in.
Oh
in
the
open
meeting.
D
There
are
allowances
for
the
open
meetings
act
where
they
can
go
and
Executives
executive
session
and
discuss
some
things,
but
they
must
come
out
of
the
executive
decision
session
and
vote
on
these
issues
as
a
school
board
within
15
days
of
this
disposition.
The
district
must
post
the
decision
on
the
district's
website
and
it
must
publish
the
decision,
along
with
the
votes
of
the
school
board
members
in
the
newspaper
with
the
largest
circulation
in
that
county.
D
Additionally,
this
this
bill
directs
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education
to
adopt
a
model
policy
for
this
complaint
resolution
process,
and
there
is
an
emergency
clause
on
it.
That's
the
gist
of
the
bill,
I'd
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
from
any
of
the
members.
E
Thank
you,
Senator
Hal
I
appreciate
this
legislation.
It's
very
needed
and
I
think
the
crowd
here
indicates
that
there
might
be
some
misinformation
about
what
this
bill
does.
Would
you
mind
reading
through
the
description
word
for
word,
of
harmful
to
minders
minors
in
that
definition,
if
you
don't
mind.
D
E
Okay,
thank
you.
One
of
the
things
I
think
that's
important
about
this
definition.
We
have
currently
in
our
statute,
KR
531
I,
believe
if
I
don't
have
my
numbers
backwards,
krs-531,
an
obscenity
statute
that
also
defines
obscene
materials
for
minors
in
this
similar,
Manner
and
I-
think
what
this
definition
does
it
broadens
the
term
for
a
parent
to
bring
forward
anything
that
would
have
contained
these
types
of
materials
within
them
or
appeal
to
the
Prairie
interest
and
it
broadens
the
term
and
the
definition
that
we
currently
have
in
our
statute
and
I
I.
E
Think
it's
a
great
definition,
I
think
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
this
statute,
we
have
to
consider,
are
our
schools
interest
in
is
really
in
educating
our
children
and
is
this?
Are
these
the
manners
and
and
the
matters
and
the
materials
that
we
want
to
educate
our
children
on
and
I
I
personally
think
that
belongs
at
in
the
home
and
it's
not
doesn't
belong
in
a
classroom
and
I
think
we
can
be
backed
up
by
that
by
long-standing
statutes
on
obscenity,
both
at
the
federal
and
the
state
level
as
well.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah
I
just
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
not
a
criminal
statute.
This
is
a
this
is
an
issue
dealing
in
a
civil
Arena
and
not
in
a
law
Arena,
but
there's
different
interpretations
of
everything.
I
think
what
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
here
with
the
work
that
was
done
on
this
statute,
is
to
afford
parents
as
much
control
and
as
much
control
within
their
local
communities
as
possible,
something
that
may
be
viewed
a
a
certain
way.
D
A
material
or
event
that
might
be
viewed
a
certain
way
in
Fulton
County
might
be
viewed
differently
by
parents
or
school
systems
in
Fayette
County,
and
this
this
we
took
great
effort
to
make
every
pipe
effort
possible
to
allow
as
much
local
influence
in
this
as
we
could,
because
parents
view
things
different
ways
in
different
parts
of
our
state.
We
have
a
very
diverse
State.
F
Thank
you,
Senator
Hal,
for
bringing
this
legislation
to
us
today.
I
am
very
much
committed
to
learning,
is
earning
and
when
you
create
an
excellent
environment
for
learning,
that's
what
I
feel
like
this
bill
is
doing,
but
what
I
really
love
about
it
as
well?
Is
we
elect
our
school
board
so
you've
now,
given
so
much
more
local
attention
to
the
superintendents
and
the
school
boards
and
I
really
think
this
is
excellent
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
motion
on
the
bill.
A
A
We're
going
to
take
them
one
at
a
time
I'm
going
to
announce,
announce
the
names
in
order
each
individual.
You
got
about
three
minutes
and
then
will
allow
questions
to
those
members,
those
people
speaking
against
as
well.
So
we'll
allow
a
little
bit
of
time
for
that,
but
that's
kind
of
how
it
will
flow.
So
Mr,
Eddie,
you're
up
you're
up
first
you've
got
three
minutes,
announce
your
name
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
A
G
You
very
much
chairman
West,
I'm,
Chuck,
Eddy
and
I'm,
just
speaking
for
myself,
I'm
concerned
that
we're
going
down
the
path
that
authoritarian
countries
go
I
call
this
the
book
Banning
bill
because
that's
exactly
what
it
is.
G
I
pose
this
bill
partially
because
their
shelves
empty
in
Florida
now
I
recognize
that
the
sponsor
said
this
is
civil,
not
Criminal,
but
teachers
are
being
scared
to
take
books
off
their
shelves.
That's
wrong!
G
Now
coming
to
one
that's
more
current,
a
book
very
good
book
called
all
boys
aren't
blue
and
it's
the
coming
of
age
of
a
black
queer
young
man.
It's
a
very
good
book.
It's
suitable
for
high
school.
It's
not
an
elementary
school
book.
It's
not
a
middle
school
book,
so
basically
I
oppose
them
by
the
way.
One
other
book
that
has
been
banned
at
various
times
is
the
Bible.
This
is
a
slippery
slope,
I
think
and
I
think
this
bill
is
misguided.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
Kate
Miller
I'm,
the
advocacy
director
at
the
ACLU
of
Kentucky
and
I
use
she
her
pronouns
chairman
West
members
of
the
education
committee.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
testify
today.
Of
course,
you
can't
really
bring
a
bill
related
to
obscenity
without
the
ACLU
having
something
to
comment
on
so
I
appreciate
your
attention.
H
Senate
Bill
5
is
not
a
particularly
new
idea
or
overly
complicated.
From
our
perspective,
it
is
the
most
recent
example
of
state-sponsored
censorship.
H
They
stated
that
the
nation's
future
depended
upon
leaders
trained
through
a
wide
exposure
of
robust
exchange
of
ideas
which
discovers
truth
out
of
a
multitude
of
tongues
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
can
agree
in
this
prolific
age
of
social
media.
That
students
in
particular
are
receiving
a
lot
of
different
information,
and
we've
got
to
equip
them
to
be
able
to
find
what's
true.
Just
last
year,
the
Supreme
Court
emphasized
that
in
schools.
H
Learning
how
to
tolerate
speech
of
all
kinds
is
part
of
learning
in
a
pluralistic
society,
a
trait
of
character,
essential
to
a
tolerant
citizen
dream.
It
appears
that
this
most
recent
example
may
be
in
response
to
a
book
or
books
related
to
sexual
orientation
or
gender
identity.
But
in
years
past
the
focus
has
been
on
race
and
in
in
coming
years
it
will
be
on
something
new.
But
what's
not
new
is
that
this
legislature,
irrespective
of
party,
has
always
and
probably
will
always
prioritize
censoring
viewpoints
that
are
inconsistent
with
their
own.
H
Sometimes
we
think
that
actually
lawmakers
May
inadvertently
censor
materials
that
are
consistent
with
your
values,
as
the
last
speaker
mentioned.
Certainly,
the
Bible
has
shown
up
on
Banned
Book
lists,
I
think
as
recently
as
2016
and
given
the
definition
of
harmful
materials
outlined
in
the
bill
and
thankfully
by
the
sponsor
Senator
Howe.
There
are
a
number
of
passages
in
religious
texts
that
quite
explicitly
describe
genitalia
as
well
as
descriptions
of
sexual
acts,
some
of
which
are
Criminal.
H
Senate
Bill
5
is
part
of
a
long
tradition
of
government
censorship
and
for
those
of
you
all
that
have
been
on
the
committee
for
a
while.
You
know
that
the
ACLU
testifying
against
them
is
part
of
our
long
tradition
of
opposing
what
we
believe
as
an
abuse
of
power.
Children's
First,
Amendment
rights
do
not
end
at
the
schoolhouse
gate
and
in
the
interests
of
Education
I
urge
you
to
vote
no
on
Senate
Bill
Phi.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
real.
I
I
J
Now
the
refugee
made
to
the
Bible
yeah,
there
are
there's
discussions
about
sex,
but
it's
not
presented
in
an
obscene
manner,
so
isn't
that
the
criteria
to
be
used
as
whether
this
material
should
be
provided
to
our
children
or
not.
If
it's
presented
in
an
obscene
manner,
should
schools
be
able
to
have
that
material,
I,
think
and
also
offensive
and
prevailing
standards.
J
H
Matters
respond,
so
I
think
that
what
the
aclu's
concern
has
always
been
and
continues
to
be,
is
that
the
government
and
the
citizen
dream
may
Define
obscene
differently
and
something
that
may
be
considered
obscene,
for
example,
from
the
last
discussion.
I
have
a
book
on
consent
that
I
talked
to
my
three-year-old
about
that
I
think
is
appropriate
for
her
age
group,
but
someone
from
this
committee
might
not
feel
comfortable
using
that
same
material,
and
it's
not
my
decision
to
determine
that
for
you
and
we
don't
believe
it's
your
decision
to
determine
it
for
us.
J
H
Which
is
why
you
know
the
idea
of
me
as
a
parent
going
to
my
school,
my
child's
school
and
telling
them
to
ensure
that
my
child
doesn't
have
access
to
a
particular
text.
I
think
is
a
is
an
abdication
of
the
responsibility
of
the
parent.
They
shouldn't
put
that
burden
on
the
school.
That's
the
child
and
the
parents
relationship
well,.
J
J
J
H
I
think
that's
not
necessarily
just
what
we're
concerned
with
it's
that,
irrespective
of
that
decision,
that's
made
through
that
process.
It's
still
this
responsibility
for
my
understanding
of
the
school
to
ensure,
even
if,
at
the
end
of
that
process,
the
principal
says:
look,
you
know.
We
do
think
that
this
Harry
Potter,
maybe
an
example.
Harry
Potter
should
remain
in
the
library.
The
parent
can
still
come
back
and
say
you
need
to
make
sure
my
child
doesn't
have
access
to
Harry,
Potter
and
I.
H
J
H
Again,
I
think
that
for
my
family,
it
would
be
completely
reasonable
for
me
to
meaningfully
engage
in
a
conversation
with
my
child
over
what
we
think
is
appropriate
and
what
isn't
appropriate
and
what
our
values
are
as
a
family,
an
idea
isn't
something
that
that
should
scare
me
I
mean
my
child.
All
of
our
children
are
going
to
be
exposed
to
radical
ideas.
I'd,
rather
us
have
conversations
about
it
than
ask
the
school
to
prohibit
them
from
being
able
to
access
something.
That's
inconsistent
with
my
values.
Well,.
J
B
B
H
B
Well,
well,
as
I
recall,
there's
a
a
famous
court
case
in
which
Justice
Potter
Stewart
who's
by
the
way
from
the
sixth
circuit
once
famously
said,
and
often
quoted
that
I
don't
know
what
obscenity
is
that
it
doesn't
have
a
definition
but
I
know
it.
When
I
see
it
absolutely.
H
B
My
second
question
to
you
is
this
k
since
we
don't
know
what
obscenity
is,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
value
judgments
here
here,
it
is
possible
since
I
do
agree.
This
is
a
definitely
a
book
Banning
bill.
There's
no
question
about
it.
It
does
have.
B
It
does
have
the
possibility,
as
you're
saying
of
when
you
talk
when
you
have
books
that
deal
with
lynchings
and
the
sexual
mutilation
that
took
place
there,
that
that
those
kind
of
books
you
know
could
be
excluded
from
schools
because
of
sexual
mutilation
that
often
took
place
with
in
connection
with
lynchings.
Is
that
correct.
H
Oh
yeah
I
mean
it's
actually
shocking
to
me
that
I
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
waste
your
all
this
time,
but
as
an
I
wasn't
even
aware
of
the
sexual
mutilation
of
corpse
from
lynchings
until
I
was
an
adult.
I
was
shocked
that
I
didn't
learn
about
that
in
school,
but
certainly
I
could
see
that,
particularly
as
it
pertains
to
the
genitalia
of
individual
who,
who
experience
that
that
violence
being
something
that
may
be
harmful
to
minors
under
this
definition.
B
My
third
question:
this
is
my
final
question:
Kate,
okay
and
I'm
gonna.
Ask
a
question,
then
I'm
not
going
to
interrupt
you
and
be
courteous
enough
to
give
you
a
chance
to
respond,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
whole
purpose
of
education
is
to
allow
people
to
be
exposed
to
a
myriad
of
ideas,
an
Amphitheater
of
subjects-
some
you
may
not
agree
with,
but
some
and
some
you
may
disagree
with,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
what
this
bill
really
does
is
frustrate
that
Amphitheater
of
ideas.
B
H
Mean
I,
don't
think
I
could
summarize
it
any
better
myself
and
and
that
we
believe
that
and
I
think,
as
I've
stated,
the
Supreme
Court
has
articulated
that
very
idea
that
we
need
to
have
like
much
like
we're.
Having
today
in
this
committee,
room
a
robust
exchange
of
ideas
from
different
perspectives.
A
Three
questions
Mr
chair.
Thank
you,
Senator
Thomas.
We
appreciate
that
next
we
have
on
on
the
docket
here:
Miranda
Stovall,
I'm.
Sorry,
if
you
could
come
back
I'm
sorry
I've
skipped
over
Senator
tichenor.
Sorry
about
that.
She's.
E
Trying
to
keep
it
short,
she
was
on
the
list.
Thank
you,
Mr
Eddie,
the
book
they
were
referring
to
with
pedophilian
it's
lawn
boys.
You
can
check
that
out
at
your
local
school
library
so
and
Senator
Thomas.
There
is
a
definition
of
pornography
that
you're
talking
about,
and
that
was
referenced
by
that
Supreme
Court
ruling
and
you'll
know
it.
When
you
see
it
was
in
specifically
in
regards
to
pornography
and
obscenity
has
been
defined
clearly
in
our
statutes,
but
it's
also
been
defined
in
U.S
code
as
well.
E
H
It
appears
to
be
a
graphic
description
related
to
masturbation.
That's
exactly
what
it
is.
I
could
see.
This
really
I
mean
it
depends
on
I.
Think
the
age
group
of
an
in
of
a
individuals
and
I
would
understand
if
parents
felt
uncomfortable
talking
to
their
children
about
masturbation,
but
I
think
it's
an
appropriate
conversation
for
for
people
to
engage
in
including
individuals
who
are
in
Kentucky
schools.
So.
E
H
E
H
H
Think
part
of
why
I'm
talking
to
my
three-year-old
about
consent
is
because
I
need
my
child
to
be
able
to
confidently
and
accurately
describe
incidents
that
may
be
unappropriate
or
maybe
unsafe,
and
I
think
that
students
having
an
understanding
of
their
sexuality
and
their
sexual
health
makes
them
safer
and
more
equipped
to
and
more
empowered,
because
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
people
don't
talk
about
sexual
abuse
and
and
and
sexual
assault
is
because
of
the
shame
that
you
feel
that
you
were
somehow
responsible
or
guilty
for
what
happened
to
you
and
so
I.
Think.
E
H
Mean
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
have
a
conversation.
I
mean
we
all
are
listening
to
the
same
radio
stations
and
watching
the
same
television.
Our
kids
are
flooded
with
descriptions
of
sexual
activity
and
many
of
which
are
inconsistent
with
our
own
values,
which
very
widely
I
mean.
Probably
you
and
I
share
some
have
some
consensus
over
what
would
be
appropriate
for
our
child
or
not,
but
when
my
child
is
exposed
to
something
that
isn't
appropriate,
we
have
a
conversation
then,
and
there
about
why
we
don't
think
it's
appropriate.
E
A
L
Thank
you
guys
for
allowing
me
to
speak
to
you
today
on
this
bill.
I
appreciate
this
bill
very
much
because
I'm,
a
mother
of
four
children
who
have
all
been
in
public
school
at
one
point
or
another
in
February
of
2022
I,
started
a
review
of
the
book
genderqueer
by
Maya,
Kobe
and
JCPS
following
that
policy,
but
with
JCPS,
would
you
all
have
a
copy
of
in
that
packet?
L
It
took
me
eight
months
and
help
and
help
from
a
lawyer
for
one
book.
The
final
decision
was
made
by
the
JCPS
sbdm
board
of
appeals
on
September
26th
2022..
You
also
have
a
copy
of
that
final
written
decision
in
your
packet,
while
in
the
review
of
the
instructional
material
process,
the
book
was
still
available
to
children.
More
copies
of
that
book
were
ordered
in
the
district
and
more
titles
featuring
inappropriate
content
were
also
added
to
libraries.
L
Most
parents
don't
even
know
what
is
in
their
child's
library
and
even
if
they
do
look
on
the
online
catalog,
the
books
have
no
description
of
what
the
content
truly
is.
For
example,
genderqueer
contains
graphic
pictures
of
oral
sex
with
adult
sex
toys
pictures
illustrations,
it
has
advertisements
for
kink.com
and
sex
toy
shops.
L
L
So
if
the
parents
don't
know
the
kids
are
just
going
to
check
them
out
and
then
your
child's
exposed,
and
what
do
you
do
then?
If
it's
something
that
you
would
not
prefer
your
child
to
have
access
to
I
agree
that
parents
need
to
have
conversations
with
their
kids.
I
have
conversations
with
my
four
children
all
the
time.
L
But
being
forced
into
a
conversation,
because
my
child
checked
out
a
book
from
the
school
library
where
I'm
supposed
to
send
my
child
and
trust
that
this
type
of
content
is
not
going
to
expose
her
to
something
that
I,
don't
think
she's
ready
for
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
I'm.
Sorry,
so
I
appreciate
this
bill
very
much.
L
I
really
do
we
need
transparency,
we
need
accountability
and
it
but
and
the
ultimate
and
ultimately,
we
need
to
be
offering
students
age-appropriate
books
that
don't
get
parents
shut
down
for
reading
it
at
a
school
board
meeting
for
being
obscene.
A
I
apologize,
it
does
say,
you're
signed
up,
but
gotcha
duly
noted,
so
that
is,
that
is
all
the
testimony
we
have
for
and
against
on
Senate
Bill
five
Center.
How?
If
you
want
to
come
back
to
the
table
and
we're
not
going
to
take
any
more
questions,
I
think
it's
I
think
the
issue
has
been
covered
and
we
have
to
move.
We
have
other
bills.
We
need
to
move
on.
A
A
We
will
now
take
the
vote.
Please
call
the
roll.
I
B
Chair
this
is
a
book
Banning
bill
and
there's
no
way
that
I,
as
as
someone
who's
gone
through
high
school
and
college
and
values
education
and
got
all
my
children
educated,
could
go
along
with
this
I
I
think
the
whole
purpose
of
Education
the
whole
purpose
of
being
exposed
is
to
learn
different
views.
B
Different
subject,
matters,
different
content
and
then
be
able
to
to
rationally
and
critically
critically
discern
what
you
think
is
is
proper,
behavior
or
proper
conduct
and
what
you
think
isn't
I'm
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
I'm,
now
speaking
as
a
parent,
that
I
had
these
discussions
with
my
children
when
they
were
14,
15,
16
and
17,
and
watched
them
grow
into
very
mature,
rational,
responsible,
independent
adults.
B
I
mentioned
this.
Last
year
we
had
the
CRT
discussion
about
how
we're
going
to
to
slowly
go
down
downward
in
the
path
of
how
what
we're
going
to
say
is.
B
Education,
what
we
say
is
not
I
cannot
again
support
any
bill
that
frustrates
and
limits
the
education
of
our
children
and,
for
that
reason,
I
vote
no.
N
A
A
I'm
going
to
call
an
audible,
Senator
Carpenter
can
thank
me
later
with
Senate
Bill
54
act
related
to
keys.
A
O
Senator
Jared
Carpenter
from
the
34th
district
and
I,
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
cost
me,
but
I'm
willing
to
pay
Mr,
Jeremy
I,
remember
how
important
this
committee
was
I
served
on
it
many
years,
so
I
appreciate
your
all
service
on
the
committee.
It's
always
a
tough
tough
issues
but
important
to
our
youth.
So
I
do
appreciate
everybody
being
here.
This
bill
is,
is
a
basic
bill.
O
Senate
Bill
54
is
about
Keys
dollars
and
it's
about
the
dollars
going
towards
proprietary
schools
and
those
schools
are
important
to
our
districts
this
morning
before
I
come
here.
Most
of
you
all
know
my
construction
background.
What
I
do
for
a
living
I
was
on
a
job
site
before
I
rode
up
here
and
I
looked
around
at
the
people.
Working
and
I
realized
I'm,
almost
the
youngest
guy
at
45,
on
the
job
side
and
I
realize
that
you
know
we
need
new
people.
We
need
people
every
day.
O
Senator,
Stivers
and
I
just
had
a
conversation
about
the
construction
industry
and,
what's
going
on
all
across
our
state
and
we're
needing
people.
So
this
funds
allows
the
opportunity
for
people
to
use
money
for
our
top
five
job
priorities
and
that
also
it
includes
agriculture.
Agriculture,
you
know,
is
one
of
our
key
Industries.
O
A
proprietary
School
in
my
district
is
farriers,
as
if
Senator
Thayer
was
here,
he
would
be
able
to
tell
you
about
how
important
farriers
are
to
the
horse
industry,
and
so
that's
another
key
industry
for
people
who
don't
want
to
go
to
college
I'm.
The
only
college
graduate
in
my
family,
my
family
had
been
successful
as
painting
contractors,
so
there's
plenty
of
opportunities
to
make
a
good
living
without
getting
a
college
degree.
I
I
encourage.
O
You
I
think
it's
important,
but
also
understand
from
my
job
site
this
morning,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
helping
people
get
into
job
opportunities
that
there's
jobs
available
and
not
only
just
jobs
available,
but
there's
great
opportunities
to
make
a
really
good
living
for
their
families,
and
so
the
important
top
five
job
job
sectors
include
health
care,
that's
CNAs,
phlebotomist,
Advanced,
manufacturing,
engineer
type
degree
or
or
from
the
Proprietary,
School
or
or
certificate
Transportation.
All
of
us
here
through
covid
realized
how
important
transportation
for
products
was.
O
It
was
almost
impossible
to
get
your
product
because
there
was
such
a
big
demand
from
from
online
shopping,
and
so
CDL
drivers
is
a
huge
part
of
what
this
bill
is
about
and
making
sure
that
that
folks
can
get
their
CDL
license
to
make
sure
they
can
continue
to
get
products
to
us.
The
business
services
is
a
big
part
of
this
paralegal
services.
O
I.T
Senator,
Givens
I,
know,
is
always
interested
in
the
I.T
industry
and,
like
I,
said
earlier,
the
construction
industry,
Plumbing
HVAC
electrical
services,
one
of
the
building,
the
building
Institute
in
Fayette
County,
offers
great
programs
and
that's
one
of
the
folks
that
could
be
benefit
from
from
this
service.
So
you
know
when
we
send
kids
through
high
school
if
they
want
to
go
into
this
career
field,
why
shouldn't
they
be
able
to
use
those
seat
dollars
to
make
sure
their
job
and
career
ready
and
be
able
to
get
a
quality
job?
O
A
I
A
A
P
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Robbie
Mills
I'm
state
senator
from
the
fourth
district
in
Northwest.
Kentucky,
please
proceed.
Thank
you
committee's
Senate.
Bill
7
is
simply
designed
to
stop
the
practice
of
public
employee
unions
using
taxpayer-funded
payroll
systems
to
collect
political
contributions
from
its
members.
P
P
P
However,
some
political,
however,
some
collective
bargaining
agreements
specifically
authorize
this
type
of
collection.
These
political
collections
are
not
designated
by
the
employee
as
to
where
they
go
like
a
United.
Way
contribution
would
be.
They
are
funneled
to
specific
packs
of
the
Union's
choosing
in
recent
elections.
All
four
jcta-backed
JCPS
school
board
members
were
re-elected
because
better
schools,
Kentucky
jcta,
is
packed
pumped
in
over
750
000
in
campaign
dollars
into
the
four
campaign
accounts.
P
Better
schools,
Kentucky
is
the
best
funded
State
regulated
pack
in
Kentucky,
because
the
access
it
has
to
the
public
payroll
system
to
collect
money
from
its
members.
Public
employers
should
be
focused
I'm.
Sorry,
public
employers
should
be
focused
on
using
taxpayer
resources
for
the
public
agency's
core
mission,
not
upon
collecting
political
contributions
to
pass
along
to
a
political
action
committee.
P
Oh,
and
by
the
way
several
court
cases
have
ruled,
including
the
U.S
Supreme
Court,
with
Ruth
Bader
Ginsburg
ruling
that
there
is
no
constitutional
right
to
a
payroll
deduction
system
for
political
Fund
Raising.
What
this
bill
does
not
do.
Let's
dispel
a
few
things.
This
bill
does
not
prohibit
state
or
local
agencies
from
collecting
union
dues
from
their
Union.
P
It
does
not
prohibit
the
practice
of
collective
bargaining
between
unions
and
public
agencies.
It
does
not
prohibit
public
employee
unions
from
communicating
with
their
members
regard
regarding
political
issues
that
are
important
to
them
and
finally,
it
does
not
prohibit
public
employees
from
contributing
to
a
political
action
committee.
P
P
B
P
B
You
know
pay
pay
for
annuities
pay
for
other
allowed
deductions,
pay
for
union
dues,
okay,
correct,
correct,
yes,
I!
Don't
understand
the
distinction
to
help
me
out
here
between
being
able
to
be
allowed
to
pay
for
union
dues
and
then
the
money
being
used
to
go
to
a
union
pack.
What's
the
difference
here,
help.
P
Me
out
here:
well,
the
difference
is,
is
that
you
know
we
as
legislators.
You
know
that
your
your
La
can't
help
you
politically
it's
a
non-partisan.
We
do
not
allow
the
government
a
public
agency
to
use
its
the
mechanism
to
be
involved
in
politics
and
to
collect
political
contributions
and
funnel
those
contributions
to
that
political
action
committee.
That's
what's
occurring
here,
we're
using
the
government
mechanism
to
collect
and
feather
out
and
funnel
contributions
to
those
organizations.
We're
not
allowed
to
do
it
in
the
legislature.
P
I
think
it's
only
fair
that
all
public
agencies
should
not
be
allowed
to
do
that
as
well,
that
you
know
that
mechanism
is
paid
for
by
taxpayer
dollars
nonpartisan
taxpayer
dollars,
they
should
be
focused
on
their
mission
and
not
focused
on
furthering
a
political
point
or
political
ID
or
a
political
party.
F
P
A
I
see
no
further
questions.
Center
Mills
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
really
quickly
and
then,
after
after
my
questions,
there
are
three
folks
signed
up
in
opposition
will
bring
them
up,
but
if
Senate
Bill
7
makes
it
through
the
process
and
achieves
final
Passage,
a
teacher
is
paid
through
the
payroll
process.
A
A
So
so
there's
going
to
be
nothing
preventing
them
to
get
continue
to
give
to
that
pack
that
the
money
is
going
to
currently
correct.
It
just
gives
them
an
additional
choice
later
on.
They
could
also
if
they
chose
to
send
that
to
a
different
pact,
maybe
that
they
felt
personally
was
better
that
better
serve
them.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct?
Thank
you
so
much
we
have
on
the
list.
Next
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
all
decide
how
you
want
to
handle
this.
We
have
Mary
ruble
from
Kea
and
we
have
Eddie
Campbell
from
Kea.
N
Now
I'm,
my
name
is
Eddie
Campbell
I'm,
a
Midland
High
School
music
teacher
from
Knox
County,
currently
on
the
release
serving
as
president
of
the
Kentucky
Education
Association.
N
N
Within
our
organization.
Members
are
elected
members
elect
representatives
to
our
governing
bodies
and
those
Representatives
determine
the
policies
and
the
legislative
positions
based
on
what
they
know
about
working
conditions,
student
learning
conditions
and
concerns
of
their
colleagues.
Every
position
we
take
and
every
action
that
we
organize
directly
reflects
the
interests
of
our
Kea
members.
N
We
also
support
the
growth
and
success
for
upcoming
Educators,
like
the
many
aspiring
Educators
who
are
in
our
room
today,
no
educator
is
forced
to
join
Kea
Educators,
make
an
informed
decision
to
voluntarily
join
members,
have
had
the
option
for
deducting
dues
and
assessments
through
payroll
deduction
for
decades
without
any
issues,
and
we
don't
see
any
legitimate
reason
for
that
to
change.
N
I
want
to
note
that
local
school
boards
make
decisions
and
policies
all
the
time
for
direct
payroll
deductions,
for
a
variety
for
a
variety
of
purpose.
I
know
that
bill
7
folks,
particularly
particularly
on
pact
donations.
When
an
educator
chooses
Kea,
they
can
also
choose
whether
to
make
a
contribution
to
our
pact
or
not.
It
is
completely
voluntary
and
is
entirely
separate
from
the
cost
of
dues.
It
is
a
personal
decision,
like
any
other
financial
decision,
that
an
individual
chooses
to
spend
their
hard-earned
money
on
I'm.
N
Just
going
to
close
by
saying
you
know,
our
Kentucky
educators
are
one
of
the
most
highly
skilled
and
degreed
workforces
in
the
Commonwealth
they're
well
informed
about
their
professions
and
most
are
involved
voters.
They
make
hundreds,
perhaps
thousands
of
decisions
every
single
day
for
their
primary
purpose,
which
is
to
provide
Kentucky's
public
schools
and
public
school
students
for
the
quality
education,
We
Trust,
our
students,
our
Kentucky
future
to
our
educators
and
our
Educators
should
not
be
told
or
need
a
permission
to
decide
on
or
how
they
will
spend
their
own
hard-earned
money.
N
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation.
We
have
one
question
right
now:
Center
funky
frommeyer.
F
Q
That's
that's
absolutely
entirely
possible
I!
Think
for
us
and
for
the
Educators
that
are
affected
by
this
I
I.
Don't
know
all
the
rules
for
legislators.
I
will
say
that
straight
up.
I
do
understand
generally,
that
you
can't
use
your
paid
staff
to
help
you
fundraise,
that's
I,
think
what
I
got
from
comments
earlier,
we're
we're
not.
Q
We
are
communicating
directly
with
the
Educators
who
are
making
decisions
about
how
to
spend
their
money,
and
nobody
on
staff
at
any
school
district
is
helping
us.
Do
that
they're
simply
directing
money
where
the
educator
asks
them
to
do
that
in
the
same
way,
I
believe
you
all
can
make
payroll
deductions
probably
and
direct
money
from
your
own
paychecks
that
you
earn
here
to
go
to
other
places
as
well.
So
the
other.
The
other
question
that
we
have
is
what
is
the
emergency?
This
has
been
going
on
for
decades.
Q
It's
been
legally
allowed
for
decades
and
now
suddenly,
probably
because
of
the
way
you
perceive
that
money
is
being
spent,
because
you
disagree
with
the
way
the
money
is
being
spent
now,
there
seems
to
be
in
a
a
need
to
do
this
and
do
it
quickly,
and
we
just
don't
understand
that
our
members
don't
understand
it.
A
A
N
Our
membership
card
contains
an
option
for
an
individual
to
contribute
to
Pac
or
to
opt
out
of
that
contribution
to
pack,
so
it
is
totally
up
to
them.
It's
very
clear
on
our
membership
form,
whether
or
not
they
would
like
to
make
that
contribution
or
not.
So
are
the
total
dues
obligation
if
they
choose
includes
a
packed
contribution,
and
that
is
what
is
automatically
assessed
if
they
break
it
over
multiple
months,
so
it's
broken
down
through
the
through
their
each
contribution
or
each
of
the
page
for
the
monthly
dues
assessment.
A
A
Q
The
on
the
membership
form
there
is
a
dues
amount
shown,
and
then
there
is
a
paragraph
that
explains
that
a
certain
amount
of
that
and
I
believe
right
now,
it's
Thirty
One
dollars
goes
to
key
pack.
If
you
don't
want
to
contribute
to
keypack,
you
check
a
box,
that's
all
it
takes,
and
then,
when
we
process
the
membership
form,
the
amount
that
you
actually
saw,
if
you
opt
out,
is
decreased
by
that.
A
Amount,
thank
you
there's
an
opt
out.
Yes,
you
basically
gotcha
seeing
no
further
questions.
We
do
have
another
speaker
on
this
subject
in
opposition
Nicole
little
shaking
her
head,
no
I'm.
Sorry.
M
Afternoon,
my
name
is
Brian
O'neill
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Louisville
professional
firefighters
and
the
legislative
director
for
the
Kentucky
professional
firefighters
I.
Thank
you
for
the
time
to
to
talk
about
this
really
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
couple
of
points
and
actually
Senator
funky
frill
Meijer
had
a
question
about
that.
We
we
do
this
with
several
of
our
fire
departments
across
the
state.
It
is
obviously
it
is
the
individual's
money.
It
is
the
individual's
Choice
what
they
want
to
do
with
it.
M
The
employers
have
never
had
a
problem
with
this
issue
and
something
to
be
clear
about
so
when
our
members
sign
up,
they
have
their
union
dues
if
they
choose
to
join,
there's
a
completely
separate
form
if
they
want
to
put
more
money
towards
the
muscular
dystrophy
Association
if
they
want
YMCA
dues
to
be
taken
out
and
if
they
want
to
contribute
to
the
pack,
if
they
choose
to
contribute
to
that
pack,
all
of
those
decisions
on
endorsements
or
donations
or
anything
or
made
by
those
people.
M
So
the
idea
that
this
money
is
funneled
to
some
pack
that
they
wouldn't
have
control
over.
They
have
absolute
control.
Over
what
that
does
we're
a
very
bipartisan
organization?
Also
right
now,
that
is
all
monitored.
That
account
is
monitored
by
the
Kentucky
registration
of
election
Finance.
It's
there
are
quarterly
reports
that
are
turned
in
and
if
there
are
any
issues
or
problems,
it
is
a
hundred
percent
on
us
to
pay
any
penalties
to
face
any
fines
or
any
discipline,
it's
not
on
the
employer
whatsoever.
M
So
it
it's
all
it's
our
responsibility
and
it
would
be
our
Pac
Chairman's
responsibility
as
well.
So
again,
I
don't
want
to
try
to
over
inflate
what
this
means.
This
is
not
a
death
now
to
our
Pac
fund.
I.
Think
several
people
pointed
out
that
you
know
yes,
our
Indo.
Our
people
would
still
have
the
opportunity
to
to
do
it
on
their
own
if
they
so
wished.
But
it
certainly
is
a
it's
a
hurdle.
It's
a
stumbling
block
and
it's
I
think
it's
a
solution.
That's
looking
for
a
problem.
A
A
B
I
like
to
explain
my
no
vote,
please
proceed
again.
I
believe
you
ought
to
call
these
bills
what
they
are.
This
is
clearly
an
anti-labor
bill.
One
thing
is
clear:
what
we're
doing
today
is
telling
people
how
they
can
spend
their
own
money
this.
This
is
money
that
they've
earned
okay.
This
is
their
money
and
we're
now
trying
to
control
how
people
can
spend
their
own
money.
B
One
of
the
biggest
payroll
deduction
agencies
that
exist
at
the
United
Way.
They
get
a
lot
of
deductions
at
United.
Way
comes
up
here
and
we
all
know
it
and
they
engage
in
lobbying.
Okay.
B
Now,
under
this,
under
this
legislation,
we're
not
preventing
the
United
Way
from
coming
up
here
and
using
some
of
the
moneys
we
donate
to
them
for
lobbying,
but
we're
saying
that
a
labor
organization
who
receive
a
person's
money
can't
engage
in
payroll
deductions
if
any
of
the
funds
are
to
be
used
for
political
activities,
I
think
that's
punitive
to
labor
organizations.
I
think
this
builds
anti-labor
is
punitive
toward
public
sector
employees
and
I.
Think
it's
wrong.
That's
why
I
vote
no.
C
A
K
R
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
for
committee
members
for
hearing
this
important
item.
Krs158-080
states
that,
except
in
schools,
districts
operating
a
year-round
school
program,
the
term
of
the
school
shall
not
be
for
a
shorter
period
in
each
year
than
the
term
of
the
public
school
provided
in
The
District,
in
which
the
child
attending
the
school
resides
now.
I
am
certainly
in
support
for
local
school
districts
to
have
the
choice
to
increase
additional
instructional
days
in
their
calendar
above
the
minimum.
R
K
Thank
you
senator
so
I
would
like
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
executive
leadership,
team
and
and
the
board
of
directors
at
Lexington,
Christian
Academy,
and
just
say
that
we
currently
support
this
this
bill,
because
we
believe
that
as
a
local
private
school,
we
should
have
the
say
and
what
our
calendar
is,
but
under
the
current
statutes,
if
Fayette
County
decides
to
go
for
175
school
days,
we
are
required
to
go
for
175
school
days,
and
so
therefore
we
have
no
Authority.
K
A
I
B
We're
trying
to
explain
my
I
vote.
Please
proceed
thanks.
Chair
number,
chair,
I,
don't
have
any
problems
with
Lexington,
Christian,
Academy
or
Lexington
Catholic
or
Sayer,
or
the
Lexington
school
you're
having
your
own
school
calendars.
I!
Think
that's
a
good
thing!
You
know
I'm
I'm
familiar
with
all
students
that
have
gone
there.
Even
my
children
and
family
members
have
gone
to
some
of
those
schools.
B
Okay,
I
would
just
like
to
say
this
committee
I
I
am
still
awaiting
the
day
in
which
we
give
Public
School
teachers
in
public
schools,
some
relief
from
the
burdensome
regulations
and
requirements
and
demands
that
we
put
upon
them.
Okay,
I'm
waiting,
I'm
still
waiting
for
that
day.
Okay,
but
having
said
all
that
I
do
support
this
legislation,
Senator
blood,
so
I
vote.
Thank
you.
S
I'd
like
to
explain,
please
I
very
much
I,
this
is
I'm
gonna
pass
and
it's
because
I'm
running
behind
and
I
did
not
look
this
bill
until
late
last
night
and
I'd
like
to
appreciate
the
senator
from
Fayette
who
was
texting
me
at
11
o'clock,
okay
and
we're
having
and
calling
me
we're
having
a
discussion
but
I'm
passing
because
I
believe
there
may
maybe
an
impact
on
homeschoolers.
We
need
to
discuss
it
with
the
staff
again.
S
This
is
my
fault,
because
I
haven't
had
the
chance
to
do
it,
but
homeschoolers
have
never
been
submitted
to
an
hour's
requirement.
Just
a
day's
requirement
with
my
reading,
because
we
homeschooled
private
schools
and
by
adding
this
language,
private
and
parochial
schools
are
now
having
hours
requirement.
I
believe
that's
in
here!
That's,
but
that's
what
I
want
to
be
convinced
by
staff.
That's
not
the
case!
So
I'm
gonna
pass
and
get
convinced,
I'm
sure.
A
Aye
so
I
saw
Senator
Bledsoe
nodding
her
head.
Well,
let's,
let's
keep
moving.
Obviously
you
two
can
talk.
Offline
and
Senator.
Williams
will
have
another
bite
at
the
Apple
on
the
floor
with
the
amendment
process
that
he
chooses
to
do
so,
but
today
we'll
keep
81
moving.
81
does
pass
with
favor
favorable
expression,
a
vote
of
eight
zero
one
pass.
Thank.