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A
Good
morning
to
everyone's
attention,
we'll
call
meeting
four
of
the
standing
committee
on
house
education
to
order.
It's
good
to
have
you
here
today.
I
would
ask
our
guests
to
please
if
you
want,
if
you
want
to
speak
our
particular
Bill,
there
is
a
sign
up
sheet
in
the
back
to
please
sign
that
up.
Additional
testimony
will
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair
Depending
on
time
that
we
have
also
reminders.
There
are
no
signs
permitted
in
the
committee
room.
Please
be
sure,
members
and
guests
to
silence
your
cell
phones.
A
A
C
A
D
D
Good
morning,
chair,
Tipton
and
your
guest
would
would
y'all.
Please
identify
yourselves
for
the
record.
Please
thank.
D
A
D
A
Sure
let
me
first
off
share.
What's
in
the
committee
substitute
after
the
bill
was
filed,
I
had
some
stakeholders,
some
came
and
talked
to
me
with
some
questions
and
some
recommendations
and
really
there
are
two
changes
in
the
committee
sub
from
the
original
bill.
In
the
original
bill
it
talked
about
local
school
districts
in
indemnification.
A
We
changed
that
language
and
used
the
word
that
they
have
immunity
that
was
part
of
that
was
similar
language
that
was
used
in
Senate,
Bill,
1
2019
and
after
looking
at
that,
we
made
that
change.
There's
another
provision
in
the
bill
that
calls
for
schools
to
respond
with
information
in
in
10
days,
and
we
change
that
to
10
working
days
because,
especially
like
a
Christmas
holiday,
some
of
the
holidays
just
to
give
more
time.
So
those
are
the
changes
in
the
committee
sub,
Mr,
chairman.
D
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
no
other
questions.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
all
opposed,
nay
motion
carries
chairman
Tiffany
if
you'll
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
the
Bill.
Thank.
A
You
House
Bill,
the
goal
of
House
Bill
288
is
to
protect
our
Kentucky
students,
our
children,
while
at
the
same
time
respecting
the
due
process
rights
of
teachers.
Many
of
you
may
have
seen
late
last
year,
A
A
Story
by
the
Lexington
Herald
Leader
undertook
a
review
of
these
types
of
teacher
misconduct
cases
they
looked
from
2016
through
21.,
and
they
cited
numerous
incidents
of
this
happening
across
the
state.
Even
before
I
read
that
Herald
Leader
article,
it
would
not
be
uncommon
to
read
a
news
clip
or
somewhere
here
in
the
state.
A
Were
such
a
situation
like
this
has
occurred.
You
know
this
is
this.
Is
this
is
a
bill
that
applies
to
all
120
counties,
all
171
of
our
public
school
districts
and,
quite
frankly,
are
private
schools
as
well.
We
want
to
keep
our
children
safe.
The
investigation
highlighted
several
instances
in
several
counties.
They
found
that
during
that
five-year
time
period,
194
teachers
whose
teaching
license
was
voluntarily
surrendered,
suspended
or
revoked
by
epsb
and
61
percent
of
those
traced
back
to
some
form
of
sexual
misconduct
of
the
118
teachers
accused
the
sexual
misconduct
by
epsb.
A
37
percent
of
them
were
never
prosecuted
with
a
crime
and
31
percent
had
the
charges
dismissed,
got
probation
or
served
less
than
a
year
in
jail.
The
goal
of
this
legislation
is
to
provide
stronger
requirements
for
disclosing
previous
misconduct
and
sets
forth
processes
to
ensure
school
districts
can
pursue
vetting
candidates
thoroughly
and
act
decisively
when
serious
violations
have
been
investigated
and
confirmed,
and
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
turn
the
the
table
over
to
katomi,
because
I
think
it's,
she
has
first-hand
experience.
I
think
it's
important
that
you
hear
her
story.
E
He
would
work
to
gain
my
trust
talking
with
me
behind
closed
doors
of
his
office,
asking
me
about
my
personal
life
and
offering
me
homemade
food
when
my
grandfather
passed
away
after
gaining
my
trust,
he
would
emotionally
manipulate
me
and
the
other
students
he
favored
publicly
shunning
and
alienating
anyone
who
did
something
to
upset
him.
Other
adults
and
School
staff
observed
this
flirtatious
teasing
and
conversations
that
occurred
behind
closed
doors,
unaware
of
the
grooming
occurring
before
their
eyes
and
reinforcing
my
belief
that
what
was
going
on
was
normal.
E
Unfortunately,
the
texts
and
teasing
escalated
when
he
began
tutoring
me
during
these
tutoring
sessions.
He
gave
massages
exposed
himself
digitally,
penetrated
me
and
manipulated
my
hands
for
his
own
pleasure,
I,
remember,
being
Frozen
with
shock
overwhelmed
with
confusion
and
the
feeling
I
was
going
to
throw
up
and
terrified
to
do
something
that
could
upset
him.
An
anonymous
adult
eventually
raised
concerns
to
the
principal
of
the
school.
E
However,
the
exploration
into
the
concerns
ceased
after
the
principal
questioned
the
teacher
and
contacted
my
parents
who
knew
of
the
tutoring
sessions,
but
were
unaware
of
what
really
happened
during
them.
It
wasn't
until
College
talking
with
my
college
friends
that
I
began
to
fully
understand
that
my
high
school
experience
was
not
normal
or
appropriate
in
the
time
between
the
anonymous
adults
concerns
and
my
report
to
the
Kentucky
State
Police,
the
teacher
confessed,
his
love
to
a
recent
graduate
and
continued
texting
high
school
students
individually.
E
The
teacher
who
abused
me
did
not
stop
grooming
other
students
after
his
actions,
were
first
questioned.
This
bill
is
important
because
it
can
help
these
prevent
these
teachers
from
being
able
to
continue
abusing
students.
I
hope
that
you
support
House
Bill
288
as
I
have
lived
through
the
overwhelming
fear
and
shame
and
the
inescapable
nightmares
that
result
from
abuse
at
the
hands
of
a
teacher,
an
adult
whom
children
are
supposed
to
be
able
to
trust.
E
A
Thank
you,
you
tell
me
thank
you
for
being
willing
to
come
forward
and
share
your
personal
story.
I
know
it
cannot
be
easy,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
shine
light
on
a
very
important
issue
that
we
need
to
address
here
in
the
state
of
Kentucky,
because
I
could
have
brought
many
more
people
in
here
today,
but
I
appreciate
katomi's
bravery
and
courage
in
this
battle.
A
Let
me
just
briefly:
go
through
the
house
bill.
288
section,
one
states
that
a
public
school
district
or
Public
Charter
School
shall
not
enter
into
a
non-disclosure
agreement
relating
to
a
misconduct
involving
a
minor
or
student
section.
Two
adds
to
the
definition
of
abusive
conduct
to
the
requirements
on
Personnel
actions
and
background
checks.
It
requires
applicants
for
jobs
to
disclose
if
they
have
been
the
subject
of
allegations
or
investigations
involving
misconduct
in
the
previous
12
months
and
I
want
to
stop
there
and
kind
of
talk
about
that
for
a
moment.
A
Originally,
we
had
some
language
that
didn't
have
the
12
months
in
it,
but
you
know
and
thinking
about
the
due
process
for
teachers,
because
we
do
know
that
there
are
teachers.
We've
heard
stories.
Examples:
teachers
who
are
falsely
accused
that
happens.
The
purpose
for
the
12
months
is
there
might
be
an
ongoing
investigation
that
has
not
had
any
kind
of
public
record
hasn't
been
finished
and
we
wanted
to
have
that
protection
in
there.
It
has
the
requirements
for
background
checks.
There
are
two
types
of
background
checks
that
districts
can
use.
A
It
sets
forth
the
information
that
must
be
included
in
the
application
and
requirements
for
districts
to
investigate
when
allegation
against
an
employee
is
made,
and
we
set
up
a
process
that,
when
an
allegation
is
made
that
that
has
to
go
to
the
principal
and
then
on
to
the
superintendent,
we
want
a
requirement
that
these
things
are
followed
up
with
that
they're
not
brushed
aside,
so
that
language
is,
in
there
section
three
require
kbe
on
regulations
to
add
language,
to
reconcile
this
chapter
with
employment
standards.
A
In
section
four
section,
four
refers
to
the
requirements
for
criminal
background
checks,
and
it
also
includes
Provisions
for
certified
non-public
schools.
So
those
are
the
private
schools
that
are
certified
through
KDE
Section
5
deals
with
professional
development.
It
requires
KDE
and
eepsb
to
develop
a
training
for
School
District
employees.
A
Section
6
exempts
the
disclosure
Provisions
in
section
two
from
the
requirement
to
remove
all
records
and
references
relating
to
an
allegation
of
a
criminal
offense
that
did
not
lead
to
formal
charges
was
found
not
guilty
or
charges
were
admit
or
dismissed.
What
we
really
want
to
do.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
when
an
investigation
is
begun,
it
is
completed.
A
I
will
share
a
story
from
a
a
daughter
of
a
family
member,
and
this
happened
many
years
ago
and
she
experienced
situations
similar
to
katomi.
A
teacher
was
making
inappropriate
sexual
advances
toward
her.
Parents
objected
didn't
really
get
anywhere,
but
the
parents
found
out
the
same
situation.
It
happened
with
this
teacher
in
another
school
district.
A
What
happened?
Was
this
employee
just
very
quietly
resigned
the
school
district,
not
wanting
to
go
through
a
lot
of
headache
and
red
tape.
They
just
dropped
it.
So
there
was
no
record
the
show
that
this
allegation
had
been
made
in
a
previous
School
District.
So
we
are
requiring
that
all
school
districts
come
to
a
conclusion.
A
If
that
t,
if
its
evidence
is
found
that
that
teacher
did
something
inappropriate,
it
needs
to
be
recorded
for
the
sake
of
the
teachers
who
might
have
been
falsely
accused
that
investigation
needs
to
be
completed
if
they
are
exonerated,
so
there
is
a
record
there.
That's
the
reason
we
put
that
in
there.
A
That's
really
the
essence
of
the
bill.
I'll
be
happy
to
try
I
know.
There's
a
lot
in
here,
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions
that
any
of
the
members
have.
Thank
you.
F
F
Think
you
answered
my
question
chair
in
that
my
concern
was
if
there
was
an
allegation
that
was
shown
to
not
be
true,
that
that
allegation
would
be
removed
from
the
records
and
and
if
I
understand
correctly,
that
that
allegation
would
only
be
on
for
12
months,
then
in
case
there's
something
ongoing
or
if
the
allegation
is
shown
to
be
false,
would
it
then
be
removed.
A
Let
me
go
through
that
again
on
the
application
process.
There's
a
question:
have
you
been
a
subject
of
an
allegation
or
investigation
in
the
last
12
months?
That's
on
the
application
process.
There's
also
a
requirement
for
school
districts
to
check
the
references
of
all
previous
school
districts
that
that
teacher
had
worked
in
that
District
would
be
required
if
an
investigation
had
happened
would
be
required
to
complete
come
to
a
conclusion
to
complete
that
investigation
and
then
whatever
that
conclusion
was,
would
stay
in
that
teacher's
record.
A
That
way,
you
know
if
we
asked
if
you've
ever
been
allegation.
A
lot
of
these
have
been
exonerated.
We
don't
want
to
give
somebody
a
black
eye
off
the
beginning.
That's
why
we
used
to
12
months.
We
also
put
the
process
in
here
where
the
school
district
is
required
to
check
references,
and
if
there
is
an
investigation
that
that
farmer,
school
district
is
required
to
share
that
data
and
they're
required
to
respond
back.
We
want
transparency.
A
I
understand
we're
trying
to
find
a
balance
between
protecting
our
children
and
protecting
the
due
process,
rights
of
her
teachers
and
I
think
most
people
that
I've
talked
to
in
the
education
Community
do
not
want
those
people
in
the
classroom.
They
understand
that
that's
a
black
eye
that
is
a
stain
on
the
education
and
teaching
profession.
So
that's
the
balance
I'm
trying
to
find
here.
D
G
Thank
you
chairman
for
bringing
this
forward
and
that
last
statement
was
I.
Think
the
perfect
way
to
to
summarize
this
I
mean
it's
that
fine
line
we've
got
to
follow
the
due
process
that
that
every
teacher
is
allowed
under
law,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
that
that
we
have
to
protect
our
kids.
So
it's
a
it's
a
tall
task,
one
question
for
you:
real
quick,
had
you
considered,
including
coaching
language
in
here,
coaches
or
extracurriculars,.
A
If
it's
not,
if
we
I,
certainly
will
consider
that
if
the
language
does
not
include
that
it
talks,
it
does
reference
School,
District
employees,
coaches,
sometimes
are
volunteers,
non-paid
volunteers,
so
I'll
be
more
than
open
to
exploring
that
and
seeing
that's
something
we
can
strengthen
that
or
add
to
in
the
Senate.
D
F
I
I
B
I
I
D
Okay
looks
like
house
bill
at
288,
passed
with
the
expression
of
opinion
that
the
same
ship
passed
with
the
committee
sub
attached
there
to.
Thank
you
both
very
much
for
your
testimony.
A
A
A
L
J
May
I
start
excuse
me,
may
I
start
first
House
Bill
331
is
a
result
of
bipartisan
collaboration
to
help
students
in
Kentucky,
and
you
can
see
we
work
together,
but
we
didn't
know
she
was
going
to
wear
red
and
I
was
going
to
wear
blue
today.
K
Scribe
sure
I'd
be
happy
to
explain
the
committee
sub.
What
we
did
is
strengthened
the
emergency
action
plan
in
this
language.
We
added
a
cardiac
emergency
response
plan
and
we
added
that
a
rehearsal
of
this
plan
will
be
a
simulated
rehearsal.
So
that's
basically
the
committee
sub.
All
else
stayed
stayed
the
same.
A
We
have
any
members
that
have
any
questions
comments
before
we
vote
on
the
sub,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
committee,
Subs,
say
aye
any
pose.
No
committee
sub
passes
representative
Palumbo
representative
Moser.
Please
proceed
with
your
presentation.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
The
purpose
of
House
Bill
331
is
to
save
lives.
The
reason
is
that
three
families
that
we
know
about
in
Kentucky
have
suffered
Grievous
losses
of
their
sons,
because
an
AED
was
either
not
available
or
not
accessible
to
save
their
lives.
It's
these
families
missions
to
see
this
doesn't
happen
to
any
other
children
house
committee
substitute
for
House
Bill
331
requires
automatic
external
defibrillators
in
every
middle
and
high
school
building.
J
I'm
there,
every
school
will
maintain
a
portable,
automated
external
defibrillator
in
a
public,
readily
accessible
well-marked
location
in
every
Middle,
School
building
and
high
school
building
at
every,
and
one
shall
be
available
at
every
school,
sanctioned
athletic
practice
or
competition,
as
well
as
play
practice.
Other
events
that
happen
at
the
school
school
dances,
whatever
the
school
sanction
event
might
be.
J
J
A
coach
shall
be
required
to
earn
a
cardiopulmonary
resuscitation
certification.
Also
Mr
chairman
I,
have
certainly
enjoyed
working
with
my
friend
representative
Moser,
and
she
would
like
she's
worked
long
and
hard
on
this,
and
she
would
like
to
explain
part
of
the
bill
as
well.
She's.
The
expert.
K
Well,
thank
you,
representative
Palumbo,
and
thank
you
Mr
chair.
Thank
you
committee
for
hearing
this.
Today,
I
have
worked
with
the
Batson
family
and
the
mangine
family.
On
this
language.
We
have
I've
worked
with
the
Batson
family
since
about
2013
or
2014,
on
Cameron's
cause
getting
aeds
in
schools
long
before
I
was
here.
This
is
a
passion
of
mine.
We
we
are
losing
students
I,
think
nationally.
A
M
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
representative
Palumbo
represent
Moser.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.
This
very,
very
needed
Bill.
A
couple
questions
I
have,
first
of
all
in
an
athletic
event,
is
the
visiting
team
required
to
take
this
with
them
or
the
home
team
going
to
provide
that?
That
would
be
a
question.
M
They
are
affordable
are
all
coaches
required
to
get
training,
including
assistants,
volunteers,
everybody.
K
Well,
I
think
that's
our
goal
is
to
make
to
make
sure
that
all
coaching
staff
receive
CPR
training
at
the
at
the
very
minimum,
and
training
on
this
AED
and
ruthanne
has
an
example
of
an
AED.
Here,
it's
very
simple,
to
use.
In
fact,
we
have
the
American
Heart
Association
coming
today
to
do
training
for
all
of
us
and
anyone
who
is
in
the
building
today
so
I
just
feel
like
it's
really
important
that
coaching
staff
and
those
individuals
who
are
working
directly
with
with
our
kids
get
trained.
J
Thank
commissioner
Tackett
Julian
Tackett
for
bringing
this
AED
to
show
you
all
what
it
really
looks
like
and
it
is
portable,
easily
transported.
M
Thank
you
just
a
real
quick
comment
in
November
of
1992.
At
the
end
of
the
school
day
at
Barron,
County
High
School
had
a
young
man
outside
my
classroom
that
that
went
down
in
an
episode
and
he
passed
away
and
if
that
ever
happens
on
your
watch
or
near
you,
it
is
something
that
you
will
never
forget
that
time
we
didn't
have
aeds.
M
We
tried
our
best
to
revive
that
young
man
and
those
things
are
very
disheartening,
they're
very
troubling.
It's
something
this
happened
30
years
ago,
I
can
I
can
still
visualize
the
day.
It
was
that
it
was
that
heart-wrenching.
So,
thank
you
guys
for
doing
this,
and
thanks
to
the
commissioner
back
there
for
all
of
his
efforts
and
that
also
thank
you
very
much.
A
L
Yes,
thank
you.
My
son,
Matthew
mangine
Jr,
passed
away
at
soccer
practice
on
June
16
2020..
That's
why
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
bill
I
actually
found
out
about
this
on
Sunday,
so,
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
anything
very
good
prepared
for
today.
I'm
really
here,
if
you
just
have
a
question
for
a
parent
and
and
I'm
here
to
support
in
any
way
to
get
this
bill
passed.
Thank
you.
A
O
O
Question
came
up
about
cost.
We
have
worked
with
a
company
out
of
Indiana
for
a
number
of
years
to
offer
a
price
to
our
schools.
It's
an
eight
and
nine
hundred
dollar
range,
normally
you're.
Looking
at
a
couple
of
thousand
retail
between
fifteen
hundred
and
a
thousand.
P
O
Now
those
units
are
running
anywhere
from
a
thousand
to
Eleven,
Hundred
and
they're.
Really,
you
almost
want
to
call
them.
Souped
up
as
Mr
mangine
and
I
were
talking
last
week
comes
with
other
emergency
supplies
already
in
the
requirements
for
coaches
is
a
requirement
that
they
be
that
they
take
a
CPR
first
aid,
including
AED
training
that
generally
runs
anywhere
from
fifteen
dollars
every
two
years
to
as
much
as
30
to
depending
on
the
hard
card
or
what
verification
they
want.
I
K
K
We
know
that
CPR
training
and
and
getting
to
a
child
who
has
collapsed
with
sudden
Cardiac
Arrest
within
the
first
three
minutes,
will
exponentially
increase
their
survival
rate.
Cpr
is
the
first
initiated
sequence
of
emergency
actions
and
then,
if
an
AED
is
a
is
available,
it
increases
survivability.
So
the
the
funding
that
we
have
or
the
the
lack
of
funding
now
is
a
conversation
that
we're
having.
We
have
worked
with
foundations
such
as
the
mangine's
One-Shot
foundation
and
others
Cameron's
cause
and
others
to
provide
aeds
in
school
free
of
charge.
K
L
L
Yes,
so
part
of
this
bill
is
also
more
than
just
the
CPR
certification,
because
most
coaches
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
already
have
CPR
and
AED
certification,
where
the
disconnect
is
right
now
is,
is
that's
a
two-year
you?
So
you
get
your
certification,
that's
a
two-year
process.
Part
of
this
bill
is
and
representative
Moser
and
I
talk
about
it.
L
This
simulated
aspect
of
the
rehearsal,
training
done
and
actually
Mr,
Tackett
and
I
talked
about
this
the
other
day
seasonally
before
every
season,
I
mean
if
you
do
it
once
a
year
and
we
had
it
in
June,
then
it's
going
to
be
you
know,
basketball
doesn't
start
until
the
fall.
So
that's
part
of
this
is
foundations
like
mine
and
other
programs
out
there.
We
offer
seasonal
training
to
these
schools
so
that
they
actually
get
to
do
chest.
Compressions
AED
training
more
regularly,
that's
not
a
certification
process,
so
we
do
it
as
a
rehearsal.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
I
and
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
and
sir
I'm
so
sorry
for
your
loss.
Just
a
clarification,
you
know
I
know
in
Warren
County
which
I
represent.
You
know
a
big
high
school
may
have
five
or
six
different
events
going
on
at
the
same
time
with
play
practice
and
all
that
my
question
was:
would
they
have
to
have
one
at
each
of
these
events,
or
is
it
one
centrally
located?
You
know
what
what's
the
protocol
for
that.
J
Right
now,
the
bill
says
in
each
building
one
in
each
building:
okay,
easily
accessible,
readily
accessible
and
part
of
the
emergency
plan
is
that
everybody
knows
where
it
is.
Okay,.
P
J
Just
wanted
to
start
with
middle
and
high
school
because
that's
where
the
more
stringent
athletic
programs
exist.
I
G
G
And
thank
you
committee.
Thank
you,
sir.
That
press
conference
was
one
of
the
hardest
press
conferences.
I've
been
through
I
didn't
want
to
be
brought
up
front
during
it,
but
this
is
something
that's
really
really
important
and
your
story
was
outstanding.
Thank
you
for
turning
that
sorrow
into
a
passion
to
help
others
a
quick
question
and
then
a
follow-up
comment.
Are
there
recommendations
for
a
number
of
aeds
per
enrollment.
J
K
K
I
G
As
a
former
coach
and
a
former
School
administrator
that
the
best
part
of
this
bill
is
not
the
actual
object
sitting
on
the
desk
there
in
front
it's
the
plan
and
how
well
thought
out,
it's
been
how
this
is
to
be
done.
Seasonally,
because
I
know
very
well
that
your
athletic
trainers
who
will
have
a
mobile
AED
will
be
in
a
different
spot
during
different
seasons
and
your
staff,
your
custodians,
your
coaches,
your
students
need
to
know
where
those
people
are
and
the
patterns.
G
K
F
Thank
you
just
a
quick
clarification.
So
in
the
language
it
says
that
it
should
be
in
every
middle
and
high
school
building
and
at
every
school
sanctioned
athletic
practice
or
competition.
So
it's
just
a
little
confusing
on
whether
that
would
be
Elementary
School,
sanctioned
practices
as
well
so
middle.
K
I
I
I
I
A
A
J
A
A
S
G
Yes,
chairman,
thank
you
and
thank
you
committee.
There
is
a
committee
sub
and
the
committee
sub
is
the
equivalent
of
House
Bill
158,
which
I
had
filed
earlier.
It
is
the
teacher
affidavit
Bill.
Basically,
all
that
Edition
does
is.
It
removes
the
word
affidavit
and
changes
it
toward
to
the
word
statement.
G
A
A
Does
require
notary
by
changing
this
or
you're
removing
the
requirement
for
a
notary
to
have
to
notarize
that
document?
Yes,
okay,
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
to
everyone.
They're
still
they're
still
signing
a
statement.
It
just
does
not
require
a
notary
to
certify
that
is
the
true
identity
of
that
individual.
That's.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
second
on
the
sub,
seeing
no
questions,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
any
pose.
No
committee
served
one.
The
house
bill
421
is
now
on
the
table.
Please
proceed.
G
Thank
you
before
I
begin
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
let
my
my
guests
here
introduce
themselves
great.
T
Thank
you
for
having
me
I'm,
Dr,
Carrie,
Ballinger
I.
Am
this
current
superintendent
of
Rockcastle
County
Schools.
S
G
We
have
a
a
little
background
that
may
be
helpful
to
understanding
what
house
bill
421
as
provides
a
few
additional
changes
to
the
legislation
enacted
during
the
2022
regular
session
last
session,
the
general
assembly
enacted
House
Bill
678,
which
put
in
place
a
temporary
expedited,
Facilities
Review
and
a
parole
process
for
public
school
Construction.
G
There
are
quite
a
few
Provisions
that
go
along
with
House
Bill
678
that
we're
going
to
continue
or
continuing
to
evaluate,
ultimately,
local
sport
school
boards
have
sit
in
a
stronger
position
as
far
as
the
direction
of
their
school
construction
projects.
Currently
over
150
districts
are
utilizing
this
expedited
process
out
of
171
total.
So
obviously
it
is
very,
very
popular,
expedited
process.
G
During
the
time
Kentucky
Department
of
Education
is
undertaking
a
review
of
this
entire
construction
process.
Looking
at
all
related
agency,
administrator
regulations,
Incorporated
materials,
design
manuals
and
District
guidance,
materials
relating
to
the
construction
renovation
and
modification
of
school
facilities,
KDE
will
provide
the
general
assembly
this
comprehensive
analysis
by
June,
30th
and
2023..
G
There
are
three
additional
suggestions
resulting
from
the
continued
conversations
with
school
districts
about
implementation
of
this
expedited
process.
The
proposed
language
would
allow
School
Board
a
local
school
board
of
education
to
enter
an
agreement
for
the
construction
of
adjoining
Road
improvements
and
requires
the
transportation
cabinet
to
reimburse
the
cost
of
these
improvements.
This
allows
school
districts
to
pay
for
these
initial
improvements
for
local
or
State
Road
improvements
quickly
and
seek
reimbursement
for
the
transportation
cabinet.
G
The
second
thing
allows,
but
does
not
require
the
option
for
a
local
school
district,
to
submit
a
request
for
proposals
for
competitive
procurement,
of
guaranteed
Energy
savings
contracts
based
on
the
decommissioning
and
sale
or
transfer
of
inefficient
buildings
and
property,
and
the
construction
renovation,
modification
of
new
energy,
efficient,
District
buildings
and
properties.
And,
lastly,
it
requires
the
KDE
to
establish
an
optional
program
of
professional
development
for
school
district
facilities
and
Property
Management.
G
S
S
Sir
I'll
be
happy
to
address.
678
was
a
bill
that
I
carried
last
year
that
was
passed.
I
know
that
you've
just
heard
how
many
districts
have
adopted
that
I've
been
told
that
it
is
greatly
streamlined
the
ability
to
do
construction.
You
may
recall
that,
with
the
changing
cost
and
prices
of
the
substances
needed
to
erect
a
school,
we
have
one
particular
case
we're
a
middle
school.
They
had
secure
bonding,
but
by
the
time
it
received
approval
from
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education.
S
The
prices
had
increased
to
the
point
that
they
could
no
longer
Bond
the
school.
So
that's
the
reason
we
did
this.
We
also
got
approval
with
the
KDE
and
Joint
work
together
to
allow
us
to
help
them
with
that
model.
Guideline
that
they're
talking
about,
so
we
actually
have
people
that
are
participating
on
that
to
make
sure
that
it's
streamlined
effectively
going
forward
this
bill.
The
idea
was
to
extend
that
to
the
purchasing.
S
We
started
with
the
purchase
of
property
because
there's
a
lot
of
situations
that
are
controlled
by
size
and
scope
Etc,
but
there
are
certainly
school
districts
that
have
little
pieces
of
property
or
they
want
to
acquire
something.
That's
adjoining
to
them
with
the
idea
that
in
the
future
they
may
be
able
to
acquire
more
and
based
on
the
former
statutory
language
or
the
current
statutory
language.
Unless
this
is
passed,
it
prohibited
from
them
from
doing
so.
So
this
would
allow
them
to
do
that.
S
But,
furthermore,
as
we
developed
through
this,
we
did
this
for
a
year.
In
the
interim,
we
met
every
month.
In
fact,
I
think
my
last
meeting
was
in
December
of
2022
and
and
then
because
I
had
I
was
leaving
the
legislature.
I
turned
it
over
to
representative
timony,
and
we
worked
on
this
through
the
process
we
found
out.
These
turning
lanes
were
a
major
problem.
S
I
did
not
know
that
I
learned
that
through
this
process,
that
that
is,
it
actually
held
up
a
lot
of
construction
sites
because
they
could
build
the
facility,
but
the
Ingress
and
egress
out
of
the
facility
was
hampered
because
of
the
cost
of
putting
in
a
turn
lane
for
that
purposes
of
that
construction.
So
that's
why
that
particular
piece
is
in
there.
S
So
we
need
to
be
able
to
move
swiftly
without
having
to
wait
for
that
kind
of
approval.
So
I've
worked
with
I.
We
worked
with
many
people
across
the
aisle
was
it
was
truly
bipartisan.
We
worked
with
experts
in
the
field.
We
worked
with
Mark
Riles,
who
worked
with
school
facilities
for
many
many
years,
and
we
worked
with
several
legislators
both
on
the
Senate
side
and
on
the
house.
Side
and
I
will
have
to
give
a
shout
out.
S
I
have
to
do
that
because
Josh
Collins
is
here
in
the
room
with
us
and
the
work
that
he
put
in
to
draft
this,
which
is
very
technical,
was
immense
and
much
appreciated.
So
thank
you,
Josh,
so
I
think
again.
This
is
something
that
will
assist
schools
as
they
do
construction
projects
that
will
keep
costs
down,
which
is
certainly
positive
for
the
taxpayers,
because
you
know
the
the
cost
of
building
is
going
to
continue
to
rise
so
moving
swiftly.
T
Yes
and
I'm
here
today
in
support
of
this
bill
as
the
example
that
representative
Massey
gave
about
the
Middle
School
actually
occurred
in
my
district.
So
we
we
were
moving
forward
with
a
construction
project
of
a
new
middle
school
and
we
have
a
50
year
old,
Middle
School
in
our
district
and
due
to
the
cost
of
inflation
and
the
amount
of
red
tape
that
it
it
took
for
us
to
amend
our
district
facilities
plan
to
show
new
construction
versus
renovation.
Prices
rose
and
we
were
no
longer
able
to
continue
with
the
building
of
that
project.
T
A
U
S
The
process
doesn't
change,
it
just
streamlines
the
approval
mechanism
so
before
before
678,
three
or
four
people
made
all
decisions
on
every
construction
project
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
around
schools
they
were
overworked
overwhelmed
didn't
have
the
time
nor
the
capacity
to
do
it.
When
we
talked
with
KDE,
they
agreed
that
there
were
problems,
which
is
why
they're
trying
to
streamline
the
the
manual
which
they
they
thanked
Us
in
the
sense
that
that
will
give
them
the
two
years
they
needed
to
do
that.
So
we've
worked
with
not
only
KDE
but
but
school
districts.
S
Construction
firms,
representative
branscome,
who
is
very
familiar
with
this,
was
involved
in
this
process.
Senator
Howell
who's,
also
a
very
premier
of
schools
and
representation
of
them
worked
on
this.
So
this
was
basically
not
to
change
the
process.
You
still
have
to
meet
all
the
requirements
and
regulations
that
are
required
under
law.
It
just
streamlines
the
approval
process.
I
M
Explain
my
vote
I'd
like
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
former
gentleman
from
Boone
who
spent
an
extensive
amount
of
time
on
this
even
after
he
knew
that
he
was
no
longer
going
to
be
in
the
legislature.
He's
still
spent
a
great
deal
of
time,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
him
and
it's
a
yes.
I
A
M
A
A
A
V
The
original
Bill
all
right,
I'm,
going
to
turn
to
Mr
Kennedy
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
committee
sub.
After
some
talking
to
some
stakeholders,
we
address
some
of
the
issues
that
they
had
and
Mr
Kennedy
helped
kind
of
solve
those
problems.
So.
W
I
believe
that
there
are
primarily
two
changes
in
the
committee
sub
that
is
before
you
on
on
the
sub
itself,
on
page
three
lines
15
to
17.
That
is
the
bulk
of
one
change,
which
clarifies
that,
as
we
will
discuss
in
a
moment,
most
of
this
bill
deals
with
suspension
and
expulsion.
There
are
lots
of
very
important
due
process
rights
for
students
and
their
parents
and
Guardians
around
those
issues
and
so
school
boards.
There
are
certain
hearings
before
the
elected
School
Board.
W
In
some
of
these
cases
in
some
districts
the
board
does
those
now
and
will
continue
to
do
to
do
those
timely.
There
aren't
many
of
them
in
some
larger
districts.
There
might
be
a
lot
of
these
hearings
and
in
the
interest
of
timely
due
process,
it
may
be
important
for
a
board
to
create
an
appeals
committee
targeted
towards
hearing
those
to
move
them
more
quickly.
Making
sure
that
that
is
allowable
is
in
that
change
and
then,
at
the
very
end
of
the
sub,
the
last
two
lines
of
the
sub
on
page
8,
19
and
20..
W
That
is
something
that
I
believe.
You
will
see
in
a
floor
amendment
that
was
already
filed
that
is
just
rolled
into
this
sub
that
clarifies
that
occur
a
couple
of
already
existing
requirements
for
things
that
school
districts
do
to
help
students
before
they
get
to
any
point
of
something
that
we're
discussing
in
this
bill
will
still
apply,
are
still
required
or
in
no
way
being
superseded
by
this
bill.
Motion
on
committee.
A
Who's
Mo,
who
made
that
motion
representative
Tim,
and
he
was
the
second
representative
massaroni.
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
the
committee
sub?
If
not
all
those
in
favor
say,
aye
aye
opposed
no
committee
service
adopted
and
he
is
on
the
table.
Representative
timony,
true
I
apologize.
V
Well,
listen
as
an
elementary
principle
and
my
real
job.
V
This
bill
I
see
being
very
important
when
it
comes
to
addressing
problems
with
education
after
having
Cassie
here
a
couple
weeks
ago,
we
all
sat
through
their
presentation
and
they
talked
about
the
three
things
they
thought
that
were
harming
or
hurting
teacher
retention
and
teacher
recruitment.
Those
three
things
were
paid,
support
and
respect.
V
Obviously,
this
bill
does
not
address
the
pay,
but
it
does,
in
my
opinion,
address
the
support
and
the
respect
this
bill
offers
guidelines
procedures
for
how
to
handle
disciplinary
actions
inside
the
school
setting
it
also.
The
goal
of
this
is
to
empower
teachers
to
control
what
happens
inside
their
classrooms
and
by
doing
both
of
these
things,
I
believe
we
can
help
with
recruitment
and
we
can
help
with
retention
teaching
Administration.
You
know
whatever.
V
Whatever
your
job
is
in
education
is
a
great
profession
and
I
don't
want
people
to
to
to
not
go
into
their
field
that
they
choose.
Because
of
fear.
This
bill
will
address
some
of
those
issues.
We
will
get
into
some
of
the
details
here
in
a
little
bit
about
what
the
bill
specifically
does,
but
at
this
point
I
would
like
to
let
my
good
friend
from
my
neighboring
County
Rock
Castle
I
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
she
feels
that
this
bill
is
needed.
T
Thank
you,
so
I
will
start
with
telling
you
just
a
little
bit
about
my
district
Rock
Castle
County
is
located
Southeastern
Kentucky.
We
have
five
schools
within
our
school
district
and
we
serve
roughly
2
800
students,
so
you
may
think
we're
in
a
rural
community.
You
know
what
could
possibly
be
going
on
that
would
impact
our
teachers
in
that
community.
So
I
would
like
to
share
just
a
quick
story
of
something
that
recently
happened
in
my
district.
T
Actually,
just
several
weeks
ago,
we
had
a
parent
that
dropped
a
student
off
at
Rockcastle
County
Middle
School,
making
the
statement.
If
something
happens,
don't
call
me
call
law
enforcement.
T
T
T
T
T
I
could
expel
that
student,
but
I'm
not
certain
that
that's
the
best
option,
because
what
happens
a
year
later,
when
that
expulsion
is
complete
and
that
student
comes
back
into
my
school
district
and
at
the
way
that
the
law
is
currently
written.
There's
no
soft
Landing
for
these
students.
They
go
from
being
expelled
to
being
placed
right
back
in
our
classroom.
There's
no
option
for
a
transition
period.
T
There's
no
option
for
virtual
instruction,
easing
a
student
back
into
the
general
classroom,
but
this
bill
allows
that
this
bill
also
would
allow
me
the
option
not
to
expel
this
student
in
in
that
I've.
Just
spoken
about.
I
could
have
the
option,
therefore,
to
place
this
student
on
Virtual
instruction,
making
certain
that
I
am
able,
and
my
the
people
that
work
in
my
school
system
are
able
to
continue
monitoring
this
student
is
the
student
receiving
Counseling
Services.
Is
this
student
have
going
to
a
short-term
mental
health
facility?
Is
this
student
keeping
up
within
their
study?
T
So
it
gives
me
options.
I'm,
I,
I.
Think
the
most
important
piece
of
information
in
this
bill
is
yes,
this
supports
our
teachers.
Yes,
this
gives
our
administrators
ability
to
to
make
decisions
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
because
expulsion's
not
always
the
right
answer,
but
maybe
placing
a
student
in
an
alternative
school.
Is
it
the
right
answer
or
maybe
placing
a
student
in
with
virtual
instruction
is
the
right
answer,
but
it
gives
local
school
authorities
options
to
make
decisions
based
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
because
we
know
our
students
better
than
anyone
else.
We
know
their
needs.
T
V
Thank
you,
Dr
Ballinger.
She
did
a
great
job
explaining
the
purpose.
I
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
concerns.
I
mean
I
I.
Do
this
every
day
you
know
I
handled
the
situation
yesterday
that
I,
you
know
that
that
I
would
have
liked
to
have
this
as
an
option.
V
The
the
purpose
is
to
secure
to
to
provide
security
and
safety
for
your
kids,
my
kids
and
all
your
constituents
kids,
and
will
it
be
more
work
on
administrators?
Yes,
I'm,
sorry,
principals,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
sorry,
superintendents
it
will.
You
will
have
to
think
outside
the
box
on
dealing
with
certain
problems.
You
may
have
to
do
things
that
you've
never
done
before,
but
we
have
to.
We
have
to
provide
security
for
our
teachers.
V
We
have
to
provide
security
for
our
bus
monitors
for
our
Cooks,
our
janitors,
our
paraprofessionals
kind
of
go
through
a
little
bit
about
what
the
bill
does
and
then
we'll
we'll
take
some
questions,
part
of
the
bill,
if
you're
looking,
you
know
at
the
beginning
of
the
bill
couple,
the
changes
that
were
made
is,
and
and
obviously
this
does
provide
some
questioning
and
some
concern,
but
that
clear
and
convincing
evidence
of
threats
that
pose
a
danger
to
the
well-being
of
students,
faculty
and
staff
of
a
district
all
right.
A
X
Thank
you,
representative
Tipton.
My
name
is
Kumar
Rashad
I'm,
a
high
school
teacher
in
Louisville
Kentucky.
My
school
is
Breckenridge
Metropolitan,
High,
School,
okay,.
A
X
A
X
X
90
of
our
students
are
black
and
about
85
percent.
Are
black
males,
I
I
bring
that
up,
because
you
know
I
was
looking
at
the
what's.
X
It
called
the
student
discipline
from
the
annual
statistical
report
and
it
said
that
you
know:
36.8
percent
of
the
students
were
removed
from
classes
were
black
with
expelled
without
Services
signed
in
out
of
school
suspensions
was
the
same
36.8
percent
and
in-school
removal
was
that
which
is
problematic,
because
the
total
representation
of
black
students
in
school
was
10.6,
so
we're
disproportionately
represented
when
it
comes
to
the
discipline
procedures,
and
we
have
to
really
be
careful.
I
understand
the
Maker's
point.
X
I
really
do
because
there
are
some
issues
that
require
some
students
to
be
moved,
but
we
gotta,
you
know,
really
think
about
how
we
apply.
These
apply
these
Concepts,
because
when
they're
applied
unintentionally,
they
could
be
used
to
further
that
disparity.
You
know
further
the
disproportionality
of
black
students,
not
just
black
students,
students
of
color,
poor
students,
students
with
mental
disabilities-
you
know,
will
be
maybe
inadvertently
affected
by
this.
You
know
there
are.
There
are
times
where
you
know,
people
in
my
school
who
have
been
sent
there.
X
You
know
by
you,
know
a
little
story.
X
You
know
some
students
may
have
gotten
to
a
fight
with
other
students
and
in
the
you
know,
an
adult
tries
to
break
that
out
and
inadvertently
the
adult
gets
hit,
and
then
the
students
charged
with
an
assault
on
that
adult
which
probably
shouldn't
have
been
done-
that
and
are
sent
to
my
school,
and
these
are
cases
that
happen
a
lot
so
I
just
want
you
all
to
just
think
about
how
we
Define
disciplinary
issues-
and
you
know-
and
we
were
talking
about
expelling
a
student
for
a
whole
year-
that's
going
to
send
these
students
out
on
the
streets.
X
X
We
need
to
protect
the
teachers
as
well,
so
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
be
way
more
careful
when
we're
thinking
about
passing
these
bills
do
a
lot
of
better
example
of
defining
discipline,
because,
what's
what's
a
a
threatening
to
you
all
may
not
be
threatening
to
me,
it
may
be
a
cultural
differences,
because
if
you
look
around
this
room
right
now,
this
is
how
many
of
our
schools
look.
Almost
everybody
there,
who's,
a
teacher
or
admin,
is
pretty
much
white
might
have
one
black
person
to
decide
or
a
person
of
color.
X
You
know
it
may,
but
for
the
most
part,
it
really
looks
like
this
group
right
here
and
oftentimes.
We
don't
all
have
the
same
culture
and
if
my
culture,
you
deem
my
culture
as
offensive
and
threatening
then
I'm
being
sent
to
an
alternative
school
based
on
my
culture
and
not
really,
you
know
and
not
really
giving
a
chance
that
another
student
would
give
as
far
as
taking
a
chance
in
restorative
justice.
X
So
we
need
to
really
think
about
that
when
you
think
about
passing
more
bills
for
mental
health
coordinators
options,
besides
criminality,
even
putting
history
classes
that
that
celebrate
everybody's
culture
in
in
the
classes,
because
a
lot
of
times
I
brought
my
students
with
me
and
they're
part
of
a
black
history
course
that
I
teach
and
you
know,
they're-
really
doing
making
gains
and
efforts
of
trying
to
change
their
lives
and
really
just
turning
around
and
do
the
right
thing.
X
So
we've
got
to
give
these
children
opportunities
to
do
that,
because
discretionary
choices
to
kick
a
student
out
of
school
for
12
months,
even
if
they
sent
to
an
alternative
school
or
not.
You
know
that
that's
a
that's
a
choice!
You
have
the
choice
to
turn
into
alternative
school.
A
choice
is
just
expel
and
if
you're
expelling
these
kids
on
the
street
and
we're
in
trouble
we're
in
trouble.
Y'all.
A
Mr
Rashad,
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
I've
actually
visited
alternative
schools
in
my
district,
the
one
I
invited
to
their
High
School
their
graduation
every
year.
Y'all
do
great
work
and
appreciate
you
and
the
other
teachers
in
that
role.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
all.
We
do
have
some
members
with
questions.
The
first
is
representative
bodzanowski.
F
F
And
then
I've
totally
forgotten.
My
second
question
here,
I
I,
did
have
similar
concerns
to
Kumar
and
his
statement
about.
How
are
we
taking
care
of
our
kids,
who
have
the
behavior
issues
and
I
dug
into
current
statute
and
do
feel
that
in
our
mtss
systems
and
our
other
systems
that
have
been
set
up
in
statute
that
we
do
have
a
process
for
supporting
our
kids?
F
W
Thank
you
for
the
question.
There
is
essentially
no
special
dedicated,
explicit
Revenue
stream
from
the
state
government
for
any
kind
of
alternative
educational
programming.
There
are
different
kinds
of
alternative
schools,
often
when
we
say
that
term.
We
think
only
in
terms
of
sort
of
discipline
programs
but
they're,
actually
a
sort
of
wide
variety
of
alternative
educational
settings
where
students
are
served
for
all
sorts
of
different
reasons
and
sort
of
discipline.
Programs
are
one
of
them
that
is
essentially
no
different
than
any
other
school
program.
W
Y
Thank
you
I
wanted
to
understand
the
the
virtual
landscape.
If
we're
switching,
if
some
students
will
be
expelled
or
placed
into
a
virtual
program
for
a
year,
would
this
be
a
Statewide
initiative?
Is
each
district
responsible?
Would
it
be
synchronous
asynchronous?
Would
we
have
to
assign
a
grade
level
teacher
to
to
each
sort
of
cohort
of
expelled
students?
Does
it
exist
already
and
then
what
happens
if
students
fail
in
that
environment,
okay,.
V
Good
good
question,
all
three
or
four
or
five
of
those
questions
are
all
all
good
yeah.
Basically,
it
would
depend
on
the
district.
I
mean
districts,
each
District's
different.
You
know
and
that's
that's
the
hard
thing
about
education.
You
know
we
we
try
to
pass
bills
and
and
create
laws
that
work
for
every
single
area
in
the
state
of
Kentucky,
which
is
almost
impossible.
So
that's
the
reason
that
the
district
input
and
the
district
policies
are
so
important
as
we've
seen
through.
V
It
did
open
up
new
tools
that
we've
never
used
before
one
of
those
tools
being
virtual
instruction,
I
I'm
I'm
at
no.
At
no
point
in
my
saying
that
virtual
instruction
is
as
good
as
in-person
instruction,
but
it
is
an
option
and
what
this
bill
does
is
it
opens
that
up
as
opposed
to
expulsion,
it
would
allow
that
student
to
still
participate
inside
in
the
class.
You
know
maybe
from
a
different
location,
maybe
from
a
resource
room,
maybe
from
home,
but
but
our
goal
is
ultimately
we
don't
want
to
expose.
Expel.
V
Kids,
we
don't
want
kids
outside
the
school
setting,
but
this
bill
will
open
up
that
opportunity
of
using
a
virtual
as
an
option
as
opposed
to
a
student
being
chronically
disruptive
inside
the
classroom.
Z
Okay,
my
first
question
is
this:
I
appreciate
the
intent
of
this
bill
first,
but
also
have
you
had
conversations
with
the
County
attorneys,
specifically
with
section
two
of
the
bill.
Z
You
know
a
face
student
was
to
physically
assault,
better
or
abuse,
educational,
Personnel
or
other
students
off
school
property,
and
the
incident
is
likely
to
substantially
disrupt
the
educational
process.
Under
the
provisions
of
this
bill.
That
student
could
be,
you
know,
removed
from
from
the
school.
Have
you
spoke
with
the
County
attorneys
to
regarding
the
intent
of
this
legislation.
V
Me
personally,
I
have
not
not
to
talk
to
any
County
attorney
specifically
about
this.
This
wording
here
it
has
been
looked
at
by
many
attorneys,
though,
and
I
believe
that
you
know
if
you'll
look
there,
it
talks
about
the
board.
May
modify
the
expulsion
requirement
on
a
case-by-case
basis
before
that
talks
about
obstacle
property.
V
If
the
incident
is
likely
to
substantially
disrupt
the
education
process,
so
I
think
that
goes
back
to
giving
that
that
Local
District
that
local
board
the
flexibility
in
handling
this
situation,
the
way
they
seem
the
way
they
deem
best
fit
and
I
guess
can
I
refer
to
you.
My
logger.
W
I'm,
not
your
lawyer
that
may
come
back
later.
I
need
to
make
sure
I
say
that
on
the
record
that
part,
if
you
look
at
on
so
on
page
two
of
the
sub
lines,
seven
and
eight
there
are
some
similar
language.
That's
in
the
state
statutes
now,
which
gets
to
sort
of
this
is
all
about
school
discipline
happening
based
on
conduct
of
a
student.
The
current
language
talks
about
conduct
of
a
student
at
a
school
or
school
function.
W
W
Schools
have
no
control
over,
of
course,
and
not
a
lot
of
direct
role
in
this
is
trying
to
tie
it
back
to
school
discipline
in
some
way
being
tied
to
something
that
yes
was
conduct
office,
school
property,
but
that
may
have
some
tie
back
in
connection
to
disrupting
what
is
happening
in
the
schools.
That
is
something
that
issue
that
concept
of
how
far
can
school
discipline
go
for?
Something
that's
not
happening
in
the
school,
but
is
related
and
connected
to
what's
happening
in
school
is
something
frankly
that
has
been
litigated
over
the
years
across
America.
W
There
is
it's
kind
of
a
balance
in
several,
even
U.S
Supreme
Court
decisions
on
how
far
a
school
can
go
with
school
discipline
for
something
that
is
impacting
the
school,
but
happened
office
school
property.
This
language
is
pretty
narrowly
written
to
be
in
line
with
the
current
state
of
the
law.
On
that,
of
course,
we
cannot
change
the
US
Constitution
or
interpretations
of
it,
but
that
is
kind
of
what
that's
trying
to
get
to
so
there
again,
that's
something.
W
That's
been
around
a
long
time
that
schools
have
sort
of
dealt
with
some
examples
of
that
might
be
kind
of
Dr
Ballinger's
Point
earlier
one
student
may
have
done
something
to
another
student
after
school
one
day,
totally
unrelated
obstacle
property
not
to
the
school
function,
and
it
may
or
may
not
rise
to
the
level
of
a
crime
in
the
Juvenile
Justice
System.
But
then
both
of
those
kids
show
up
the
next
morning
to
sit
next
to
each
other
in
a
classroom
you're
going
to
have
some
problems
that
schools
must
respond
to.
W
A
Z
Z
Z
Z
If
a
situation
were
to
arise
where
two
students
were
sitting
beside
each
other
I'm
sure
schools
do
this
now,
where
they
intervene
and
and
separate
them
the
best
that
they
can
but
to
to
go
out
and
to
police
after
school
hours.
Z
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
make
a
statement
on
the
bill
here
in
a
minute
we're
going
to
take
a
vote
on
this
on
this.
My
colleagues
on
this
committee
to
vote.
No,
you
know
I
heard
on
another
bill
in
this
committee
earlier
today,
House
Bill
288
that
we've
got
to
follow
due
process.
Z
Z
Furthermore,
as
this
bill
reads,
students
will
be
removed
from
class
for
unfounded
reasons.
I
know,
personally
of
students
who
are
removed
from
class
right
now
due
to
retaliation.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
their
behavior.
They
simply
could
have
just
stood
up
to
throw
away
a
piece
of
trash
or
asked
to
go
to
the
restroom
or
ask
a
question
about
their
curriculum.
I
know
this
bill
was
not
drafted
to
geared
towards
those
students,
but
this
is
a
real
issue
happening
in
our
Public
Schools.
Z
A
AA
Chairman,
thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
this,
because
I've
heard
the
same
feedback
about
safety
in
the
in
the
classroom,
and
we
do
need
to
empower
our
teachers
without
doing
it.
Unconstitutionally
so
I
appreciate
the
work
on
this
and
I
voiced
a
little
bit
of
my
concern
when
we
discussed
this
previously
as
an
instructor
who
has
tried
to
balance
virtual
and
in
person
teaching
there's
little
to
no
accountability.
That
can
happen
on
the
virtual
end.
AA
So
my
concern
is
your
the
process
of
the
accountability
for
the
person
who's,
who
is
receiving
the
virtual
if
there
isn't
as
we're
blessed
in
Louisville,
to
have
the
alternative
program,
the
alternative
school
that
as
an
option
for
those
teachers-
and
that
was
my
concern-
is
just
the
virtual
instruction
who
that
would
fall
to
and
accountability
for
that,
and
we
just
don't
want
them
to
fall
through
the
cracks.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
representative,
Truitt
and
and
presenters.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
this
bill.
Those
of
us
who
have
been
in
education
or
and
or
on
the
school
boards
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do.
Q
I
think
you
are
setting
high
expectations
for
all
students.
This
has
to
do
with
discipline
or
behavior.
We
do
the
same
thing
in
academics,
we
said
high
expectations
for
all
students,
academically
and
I.
Think
this
is
setting
high
expectations
for
all
students,
discipline
wise.
What
are
we
trying
to
do
we're
trying
to
make
the
classroom
a
safe
environment
for
not
only
a
teacher,
but
also
for
those
other
25
students
that
want
to
learn
that
their
parents
are
sending
them
to
school
in
order
to
get
an
education?
Q
So
that's
the
the
high
expectation
that
this
bill
brings
on
and
it
gives
a
little
teeth
to
Administration
and
school
districts
in
order
to
deal
with
those
students
who
do
not
abide
by
the
rules.
Dr
Ballinger.
Thank
you
for
sharing
your
story.
That's
a
prime
example
that
people
that
have
not
been
in
the
school
system
sometimes
do
not
understand
you.
Q
Let
one
one
young
lady
one
student
disrupt
the
whole
process
for
your
school
district
and
especially
that
Middle
School,
the
parents
couldn't
do
anything
with
them,
but
yet
you
were
expected
to
do
something
with
them
and
that's
not
what
the
school
system
set
up
to
be.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
that
story
for
those
who
do
not
deal
with
education
on
a
daily
basis
like
some
of
us
have,
because
that's
what
reality
is
and
that's
what's
happening
out
there,
not
only
in
your
school
but
all
schools
across
the
state
of
Kentucky.
Q
C
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
representative
Truitt.
Thank
you
for
bringing
forward
a
measure
that
addresses
an
issue
and
I
applaud
you
for
that.
My
question
is
for
Dr
Ballinger,
so
representative,
Tipton
and
I
were
the
only
two
members
of
this
committee
who
were
in
The
General
Assembly
in
2015..
At
that
time
we
voted
on
a
bill
that
raised
the
Dropout,
raise
age
from
16
to
18.
my
question
to
you,
and-
and
we
heard
a
discussion
at
that
time,
that
we
were
forcing
children,
young
people
to
remain
in
school.
T
My
personal
opinion
is
yes,
I
do
think
it
probably
is
contributing
to
our
discipline
problems,
but
I
think
that
that's
a
responsibility
that
we
owe
our
students
to
take
on
I
think
as
public
school
Educators,
the
beauty
about
public
education
is
we
we
educate
all
students
so
whether
they
want
to
be
there,
they
don't
want
to
be
there.
It's
our
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
they
graduate
from
our
public
school
systems,
ready
to
go
into
the
workforce,
ready
to
go
into
society
as
a
successful
citizen.
T
So,
yes,
it
probably
does
contribute,
but
I
think
that
that
it's
well
worth
the
the
efforts
that
we
give.
P
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative
Truett,
and
for
both
of
you,
who
testified,
I,
really
love
the
intent
of
this
bill
and
Dr
Ballinger
your
you
know.
Your
story
was
very
compelling
about
the
need
for
this
I
guess
my
concern
and
some
of
the
questions
I
have
are
about
some
of
the
unintended
consequences
and,
as
we
heard
from
from
Mr
Rashad,
we
know
that
we
have
very
disproportionate
outcomes
in
discipline
by
Race
by
poverty
by
disability
by
these
other
concerns
and
I.
Just
you
know
this.
P
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
keeps
me
awake
nights
honestly,
and
the
bill
like
this
is,
you
know,
really
focuses
my
my
attention
here.
Are
there
any
guard
rails
in
place
that
you
could
point
out
to
me
in
the
bill
to
address
the
disparities
issues
that
would
make
me
feel
more
comfortable
voting?
Yes,
on
the
bill
today,.
V
I'm
guessing
the
concerns
are
coming
from
on
page
five,
where
it
talks
about
a
student
may
be
removed
from
the
classroom
up
to
three
times
and
and
once
again,
I
understand
the
concern
there
I
mean
I.
I
live
this
daily.
Are
there
personal
conflicts?
V
Yes,
there
can
be,
will
is
everybody's
idea
of
disruption
or
disruptive
student
different,
yes,
I,
agree,
100
percent
and
and
that's
the
main
reason
we
put
in
that
next
option
there
that
next
bullet
right
below
that,
where
it
says
a
principle,
may
require
a
review
of
classroom
issues.
You
know
it's
not.
V
You
know
it's
not
my.
It's
not
a
principal's
job
to
to
create
that.
You
know
it's
one
of
those
things.
Every
teacher
handles
things
differently.
Their
classroom
management
is
different.
So
what
happens?
Is
we?
We
give
the
principal
the
principle
here
an
opportunity
to
review
the
classroom
procedures
with
the
teacher,
maybe
with
the
parent,
Guardian
or
whoever
has
legal
custody,
and
they
can
determine
a
course
of
action.
You
know
if
the
principal
sees
that
this
is
simply
a
student,
that's
not
bringing
their
pencil
to
class.
V
V
Will
this
bill
be
taken
advantage
of,
possibly
I,
think
I?
Think
every
bill
has
that
opportunity,
but
that
doesn't
stop
the
fact
that
we
have
to
do
something
different
we
have
to.
We
have
to
make
a
change.
Change
is
not
welcomed.
You
know,
change
is
tough.
Sometimes,
is
this
perfect?
Is
this
a
perfect
Bill?
No,
it's
not
it's
not,
but
I.
Think
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
My
goal
is
not
to
have
more
kids
expelled.
V
R
Thank
you,
representative.
Truitt
appreciate
you
taking
this
issue
on.
R
No
doubt
we
have
a
lot
of
issues
going
on
in
our
society
a
lot
of
different
reasons
why
that
they
exist
I,
remember
when
I
was
in
school,
if
I
got
in
trouble
at
school,
I
got
in
trouble
when
I
got
home
too,
and
that's
just
the
way
that
it
was
and
I
think
it
comes
down
to
that
authoritative
position
that
the
teacher
holds
as
well
as
the
parenthoods
and
we're
trying
to
go
through
a
plethora
of
things,
this
session
to
address
different
issues,
parental
rights
and
and
everything
of
that
sort.
V
All
right,
good
question,
representative
Callaway.
V
Kind
of
go
back
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
Obviously
you
started
on.
You
started
on
line
22.,
that's
the
one
that
basically
says
you
know.
If
this
kid
is
has
an
IEP
this,
these
penalties
may
not
may
not
apply,
but
then
you
go
on
a
little
bit
farther
a
teacher
May
immediately
remove
or
cause
to
be
removed.
The
student
from
the
classroom
and
the
student
shall
not
re-enter
the
same
classroom
for
the
remainder
of
the
school
day.
V
Then
what
I
do
right
now
is
is
I
will
take
that
kid,
sometimes
that
kid
will
hang
out
with
me
for
a
little
while
I
may
take
that
kid
to
a
resource,
room
I
may
even
call
the
mom
and
say
Hey,
listen,
mom,
we're
having
an
issue
little
Johnny
struggling
today.
V
V
V
But
then
that
student
beats
that
that
teacher
back
to
the
classroom
and
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
it's
not
going
to
change
the
way,
a
good
administrator
handles
or
de-escalate
situations.
But
it
is
going
to
force
some
administrators
to
step
up
their
game
and
do
what's
needed
appropriate
to
handle
a
situation
that
a
teacher
sees
needs
to
be
handled
in
their
classroom.
Does
that
help
at
all.
R
It
does
it
it
if
I
may,
miss
chairman
seems
like
that
it
it's
somewhat
subjective
correct
to
to
the
teacher
and
the
individual,
but
I
guess
the
the
main
thing
that
I
was
listening
for
is
what
I'm
not
hearing,
and
that
is
the
things
that
are
not
taken
into
consideration
in
this
situation.
It
sounds
like
it's
just
the
situation.
It's
not
anything
to
do
with
any
characteristics
characteristics
of
the
child,
but
the
behavior
of
the
child.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
H
Just
a
comment
really,
this
bill
appreciate
you
all's
hard
work
on
this
bill
and
it's
it
is
much
needed,
but
if
I'm
listening
correctly,
this
bill
does
not
say
you
have
to
expel,
it
just
says:
we're
providing
a
greater
range
of
services
while
trying
to
protect
our
other
students
and
staff.
That's
the
nutshell
of
which
this
bill
was
created
and
also
I
would
say
that
most
of
this
bill
deals
with
older
students.
H
You
know
the
language
for
the
younger
Elementary
part.
We
might
be
able
to
do
a
little
work
on
that,
but
this
bill
right
here,
I,
think,
comes
about
from
the
things
we've
heard
happening
in
districts
around
the
state.
So
I
think
this
bill
is
much
needed
and
I
think
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
going
to
do
what
it's
supposed
to
do
and
give
give
our
districts
a
better
way
to
handle
our
disruptive
students
and
protect
our
staff.
So
thank
you
for
the
Bill
thank.
A
M
You
Mr
chairman
and
I
I.
Don't
have
any
questions.
I've
got
some
comments.
The
status
quo
cannot
continue
in
schools,
it
just
can't.
You
know.
We
see
a
lot
of
this
information
in
the
news
and
a
lot
of
the
problems
are
going
on.
It
is
not
fair
to
the
95
percent
of
our
students
who
go
to
school
to
learn
to
not
be
able
to
learn
in
the
classroom
because
of
the
constant
disruptions
it
is
not
fair
to
them.
Their
parents
sent
them
to
school.
M
M
Our
former
chair,
lady
husband,
died
from
his
wounds
from
breaking
up
a
fight
in
school,
not
in
an
urban
School
in
a
rural
School
teachers
are
not
sent
to
school
to
break
up
fights
I.
Don't
even
remember
that
being
a
part
of
our
training.
M
Did
anybody
have
that
in
the
class
we
had
to
learn
how
to
break
up
a
fight,
although
I
did
a
bunch
and
the
constant
disruptions
that
are
happening
in
classrooms
have
enormously
and
negatively
impacted
our
students
to
learn
and
it's
a
reflection
of
what's
going
on
in
our
society
today,
the
status
quo
cannot
continue,
and
this
bill
is
a
step
toward
ending
the
status
quo.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
F
So
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes
vote
today,
and
what
I'd
like
to
say
is
a
student
who
is
acting
out
is
trying
to
tell
us
something.
We
need
to
figure
out
what
that
student
is
trying
to
say
and
provide
every
student
support
so
that
they
can
be
successful
in
the
classroom
and
in
society,
and
I
would
argue
that
every
student
who
comes
into
our
buildings
wants
to
learn.
We
just
have
to
break
down
those
barriers
or
whatever
is
concerning
that
student
to
help
them
to
be
learning.
Thank
you,
representative.
B
I
N
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
as
I
intently,
listened
to
the
the
bill,
the
the
the
the
amendments,
the
sub
and
and
the
information
that
has
been
passed
on
to
us
today.
Initially,
my
my
feeling
was
that
that
this
is
something
that's
necessary.
I
think
discipline
is
necessary.
We
need
to
have
a
safe
environment
for
students
to
learn,
but
then
Mr
Rashad
came
to
the
mic
and
and
and
throughout
some
things.
That
I
think
are
very
important.
R
I
explain
my
vote.
Please
foresee
I'm
I'm
on
a
vote
yesterday.
Moving
this
out
of
committee.
I
do
have
a
few
things
that
I
just
I,
know
you're
open
to
the
discussion,
and
so
I
will
get
with
you
on
those
and
I
appreciate
the
intent.
W
A
Z
Z
I
feel
that
we
need
to
invite
the
County
attorneys
to
this
conversation
for
section
two
of
this
bill
and
I
do
fear
of
retaliation
for
some
situations
within
this
bill,
not
not
for
all
teachers,
but
in
some
situations
this
would
apply
and,
as
we
talked
about
behavioral
issues
in
Jefferson
County,
particularly,
this
is
not
a
new
situation.
Jefferson
County
has
been
dealing
with
major
issues
since
I
attended
school
there
and
I
think
we
need
to
go
back
to
the
drilling
board
and
continue
working.
Thank
you,
representative.
G
Briefly
explain
my
vote.
Please
proceed.
Thank
you.
Chairman
I'm
voting
yesterday.
I
think
that
this
bill
is
a
critical
First
Step
that
we
need
to
send
a
message
that
behavior
in
school
needs
to
improve
rural
and
urban.
As
a
former
teacher,
an
administrator
in
an
urban
District
I
think
that
there's
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
but
I
also
I
feel
strongly
that
our
superintendents
and
our
school
boards
are
prepared
to
make
those
decisions
we
need,
to
put
you
know,
teacher
safety
and
loss
of
instruction
at
the
Forefront
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
G
A
P
Thank
you
I.
It
really
hurts
my
heart
to
vote
no
on
this,
because
I
think
it's
needed,
but
I
think
I'm
too
concerned
about
the
unintended
consequences
and
I
received
a
message.
While
I
was
sitting
here
from
a
student
who
said
they
keep
talking
about
behavior
and
what
to
do.
P
But
what
are
they
doing
to
encourage
the
students
to
keep
doing
good
me
personally,
I
give
up
when
I
have
nobody
encouraging
me
or
nothing
to
go
after
and
I'm
just
need
to
listen
to
that
student
and
need
to
listen
to
my
concerns
about
disparities
and
what
we
may
do
to
increase
those
and
and
vote
no
today.
Thank
you,
chair
Tipton,.