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From YouTube: House Budget Review Subcommittee on Transportation
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This meeting will take place upon the adjournment of the JOINT meeting taking place between the House Standing Committee on Health and Family Services and the Senate Standing committee on Health and Welfare.
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I
know
our
legislators
are
all
on
the
way,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
start
this
meeting
because
we
have
to
be
out
here
before
11
o'clock,
so
they
can
be
sanitized
a
room,
but
everyone
in
here
is
very
coveted
free.
I
know,
but
we're
still
going
to
take
precautions.
So,
madam
secretary,
would
you
please
call
the
role.
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President,
we
do
not
have
any
minutes,
because
this
is
our
first
meeting.
We
were
pl
being
very
cautious
this
year,
I'm
just
going
to
announce
our
three
new
members
representative
stevenson.
She
is
one
of
our
newest
members
on
this
committee,
but
she's,
not
a
new
member
to
the
general
assembly,
rachel
roberts,
no
new
member.
She
is
new
to
this
committee,
but
she's
been
in
the
general
assembly
and
the
only
newbie
newbie
is
representative
sean
mcpherson.
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All
right
well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
greetings
to
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
us
today.
I
said
to
chairman
yesterday
that
it
was
looking
forward
to
being
with
you
all
in
person,
and
things
are
you
know?
Fortunately,
things
are
going
in
a.
It
seems
that
things
are
going
in
a
good
direction
for
us
soon
to
be
in
person
in
many
respects.
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So
I
want
to
thank
you,
too,
for
the
opportunity
to
update
you
on
the
aftermath
of
our
recent
string
of
very
costly
weather
disasters.
That's
what
the
chairman
asked
us
to
do,
and
today
I'm
going
to
be
joined
actually
virtually
by
state
highway
engineer,
james
ballinger
and
by
our
state
by
our
transportation,
depart
cabinet
budget
director
robin
brewer
they're,
going
going
to
both
join
after.
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I
want
to
also
talk
about
the
weather
disaster
that
preceded
the
flooding
and
that
I'm
referring
to
is
the
three
consecutive
winter
storms
that
hit
us
back
to
back
to
back,
and
you
really
can't
separate
the
first
disaster
from
the
second.
It's
all
part
of
our
late
winter,
early
spring
weather
in
kentucky.
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C
We
have
a
better
idea
of
the
costs
of
those
three
straight
winter
storms
and
I'm
going
to
ask
robin
brewer
our
budget
director.
She'll
have
more
to
say
about
that.
In
a
few
minutes,
when
robin's
on,
but
it's
important
to
keep
a
couple
of
major
points
in
front
of
us
as
we
discuss
these
latest
challenges,
one
is
that
fema
disaster
funding.
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Needs
this
slide
shows
the
history.
I
know
that
several
of
you
all
or
many
of
you
have
already
seen
this
slide.
I've
presented
it
several
times,
and
I
know
mr
chairman
you're
very
familiar
with
it.
A
large
part
of
our
available
funding
for
the
cabinet's
highway
program
in
all
of
our
county.
All
of
our
county
and
municipal
road
money
comes
from
the
motor
fuels
usage
fee.
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C
It's
not
upfront
money.
It's
not
given
to
the
state
up
front,
a
state
or
local
match
is
required
for
nearly
every
federal
dollar
kentucky
receives
and
that
on
order
of
magnitude
annually
is
736
million
dollars.
That's
really
not
order
of
magnitude.
That's
actual
736
million
dollars,
we're
hoping,
as
we
sit
here
today,
of
course,
that
the
new
administration
will
propose
a
national
infrastructure
program
that
could
enable
kentucky
to
pursue
some
badly
needed,
but
high
dollar
transportation
projects.
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Programs
tennessee,
for
example,
allocates
a
portion
of
its
sales
tax
revenue
to
transportation,
as
our
neighbor
states
have
adjusted
their
motor
fuels
user
to
fees,
it's
become
harder
for
kentucky
to
compete
with
them.
Frankly,
for
new
industry,
we're
often
presented
with
projects
where
access
roads
are,
of
course
required
as
part
of
incentives
and
as
part
of
negotiations.
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We
otherwise
would
not
have
been
able
to
stimulate
economic
development
in
those
areas
nearly
as
effectively,
and
I
can
say
from
being
in
the
economic
recruitment
business
most
of
my
private
sector
life
that
it's
incredibly
competitive,
the
states
are
incredibly
competitive
and
having
these
projects
is
really
essential.
It's
not
optional.
It's
it's
not
elective
to
have
the
infrastructure
and
access
for
manufacturing
and
for
economic
development.
So
to
recap,
the
federal
highway
program
is
a
reimbursement
program.
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Okay,
thank
you
secretary
gray,
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
and,
as
a
secretary
gray
mentioned
in
his
remarks,
the
effects
of
these
weather
events
have
been
devastating,
they've
been
just
just
devastating
to
so
many
people,
though.
Throughout
kentucky,
though,
with
roads
closed
people
lost
their
their
their
homes,
I've
got
friends
and
kentucky
they've
lost
their
their
livestock
they've
lost
their
barns.
It's
very
devastating,
though,
and
I
checked
this
morning,
and
at
transportation
though
we
still
have
36
locations,
though
they're
still
closed,
flooding
into
slides
across
the
state.
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D
As
you
can
tell
you
know,
all
kentuckians
experienced
an
impact
to
some
degree
by
these
winter
storm
events.
However,
the
citizens
living
in
the
northeast
part
of
the
state,
though
they
both
run
of
these
events,
though
just
do
the
number
of
trees
blocking
the
roadways
and
the
number
of
downed
power
lines.
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Next
slide.
Please
and
mother
nature
wasn't
through
just
yet.
This
map
shows
the
total
snow
accumulation
across
kentucky
on
the
morning
of
february,
the
18th
just
days
later,
a
good
swath
of
those
same
areas
that
had
just
been
impacted
to
the
greatest
degree
by
the
ice,
though,
had
more
than
four
inches
of
snow
on
the
ground
with
spot
locations
that
had
up
to
10
inches
of
snow.
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D
This
resulted
in
a
total
cost
of
around
30
million
dollars
for
the
particular
winter
weather
event.
That's
that's
a
big
number
and
I
sometimes
like
to
think
of
it
in
the
context,
though,
of
there's
the
big
cost.
If
we
didn't
keep
mobility
flowing
in
kentucky
big
cost
to
the
to
commerce
into
the
people
in
kentucky
as
well,
but
that
that's
a
big
number
during
the
storm,
the
transportation
cabinet
lost
power
to
a
number
of
our
maintenance
facilities.
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They
were
serving
as
a
base
of
operations
for
our
response
to
the
winter
weather
operations.
I
also
want
to
note
that
many
of
our
employees,
though,
in
our
maintenance
facilities,
though
they
didn't,
have
power
at
home.
Families
didn't
have
power
at
home
and
they
were
coming
out
working
around
the
clock.
Responding
to
the
weather
event,
the
loss
of
power
also
made
working
with
officials
in
local
communities
critically
important
in
one
particular
situation.
I
would
like
to
highlight
the
indy
water
district
had
pumping
stations
that
lost
power.
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D
Our
preliminary
flood
assessments
are
still
ongoing
and
won't
be
completed
for
a
few
more
weeks,
but
no
matter
what
these
initial
costs
are
to
recover
and
get
all
the
highways
reopened,
though
there
are
substantial
long-term
impacts
to
kentucky's
transportation
network,
as
you
can
imagine,
after
an
event
of
this
magnitude,
we
always
have
pavements
that
are
washed
out.
We
have
pictures
damaged
and
we
have
landslides
all
across
the
highway
system.
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However,
we
also
experience
damage
to
our
highways
trying
to
reveal
itself
many
times
their
pops
are
clogged
and
debris.
Our
ditches
need
to
be
re-established,
our
roadway,
our
cuts
and
our
embankments.
They
become
saturated
and
they
become
weakened,
and
then
we
see
slides
that
occur
in
the
future
during
weather
events
as
well,
the
the
lifespan
of
our
pavements
and
our
structures,
our
bridges
and
our
culverts,
though,
are
reduced
as
well.
It
results
in
higher
life
cycle
costs.
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D
And
this
one
just
is
heartbreaking,
though
main
street
in
betaville.
A
lot
of
us
have
seen
the
photos
from
lee
county
and
baityville,
though
it's
it's
just
unbelievable,
okay
and
then
a
few
photos
of
the
triple
snow
and
ice
storms
that
I
already
discussed,
and
the
secretary
mentioned,
though
this
is
our
plow
just
kind
of
showing
some
of
the
the
depth
of
the
snow
in
brethren
county.
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Yeah,
I
just
want
to
talk
very
briefly
just
to
elaborate
on
a
few
points
that
the
secretary
mentioned
earlier.
So
once
severe
weather
is
forecasted.
The
cabinet
begins
tracking
expenditures
for
the
event
from
day,
one
in
anticipation
that
the
weather
event
could
be
severe
enough
for
the
cabinet
to
receive
federal
assistance
on
a
reimbursement
basis
basis.
At
some
point,
therefore,
the
road
fund
incurs
the
immediate
expenditures
from
the
cabinet's
efforts
in
reacting
to
the
event,
as
it
happens,
or
soon
after
the
road
fund
also
incurs
any
ventures.
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So
once
an
event
has
been
declared
a
disaster
and
the
state
is
eligible
for
federal
assistance
from
fema
or
another
federal
agency.
Expenditures
have
to
be
identified
as
eligible
and
significant
amounts
of.
Very
detailed
documentation
must
be
provided
to
fema
to
apply
for
reimbursement
for
those
eligible
costs
incurred
which,
as
the
secretary
mentioned,
can
be
a
very
lengthy
process.
B
Ultimately,
those
expenditures
are
housed
in
a
restricted
fund,
account
to
be
offset
by
reimbursements
from
fema,
as
mentioned
by
the
secretary.
If
expenditures
are
identified
and
approved
by
fema
fema
only
reimburses
the
cabinet
for
75
of
the
cost.
The
road
fund
must
cover
the
other
25
of
the
eligible
costs,
and
the
road
fund
covers
100
of
anything,
that's
not
eligible
for
reimbursement,
not
to
mention,
while
those
expenditures
are
that
are
eligible
for
reimbursement
are
placed
in
that
restricted
fund
account.
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B
B
I'm
sure
there
are
other
agencies
experiencing
their
own
agency
specific
issues
by
no
longer
having
this
flexibility,
but
I
can
only
speak
to
issues
as
they
relate
to
the
transportation
cabinet,
but
bottom
line.
If
the
cabinet
doesn't
have
adequate
spending
authority
for
restricted
funds
like
this,
nor
has
the
ability
to
request
spending
authority
outside
of
the
budget
process.
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I
do
have
a
comment
or
question
secretary
on
comparing
the
kentucky's
gasoline
taxes.
I
just
want
our
members
to
understand
that
that
one
slide
other
states
have
fees
that
inc.
You
know
like
west
virginia
illinois,
indiana
and
virginia.
They
all
have
fees
that
actually
their
gas
tax
if
you
include
that
it's
higher
than
ours.
So
what
you're
seeing
is
the
truth
of
just
gas
tax,
but
then
they
give
other
fees.
So
actually
we
are
so
much
lower.
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I
know
you
guys
can't
predict
bad
weather,
but
that
all
comes
out
of
that
road
fund
and-
and
you
know,
I
greatly
appreciate
this
information-
I'm
just
going
to
keep
kicking
around-
that.
We
have
a
need
for
increased
funding.
I
think
we
can
see
it
james
ballinger
and
robin
brewer.
They
really
laid
it
out
pretty
hard
to
us
that
there
there
is
a
definite
need.
I'm
going
to
keep
saying
that
without
funding,
we're
going
to
lose
out,
could
have
you
any
comments
about
the
president
and
possibly
a
stimulus
plan?
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C
C
That's
coming
from
jim
tymon
who's,
the
head
of
ashtow
american
association
of
highway,
highway
professionals
and
and
other
like
jack.
You
know,
mr
chairman,
jack
marchbanks
in
ohio,
he's
the
counterpart
of
mine
in
ohio,
director
of
ohio
department
of
transportation
and,
and
he
says
he
says
that
that
as
well.
So
obviously
the
what
that
begs,
the
question
of
is:
what
kind
of
funding
do
we
have
in
order
to
match
what
might
come
our
way
from
any
kind
of
infrastructure
package
of
a
major
of
major
significance?
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C
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
already
been
on
the
phone
trying
to
get
introductions
to
the
new
administration,
to
mayor
pete
butterjudge's
to
mayor
pete's,
the
members
of
his
staff,
simply
to
so
that
they
know
that
kentucky
is
certainly
on
the
map
and
that
we're
poised
we're
ready
to
we're
ready
to
work
with
them
with
the
federal
u.s
department
of
transportation,
federal
highways
in
any
way
that
we
can
that's
part
of
it.
I
just
look
at
it
as
in
the
private
sector.
C
C
We
were
fortunate
frankly
in
the
last
administration,
as
you
know,
chairman
and
as
chairman
up
church
knows,
and
that,
with
secretary
chao
being
a
kentuckian
and
todd
inman,
her
chief
of
staff
being
in
kentuckian,
we
were
fortunate
that
we
had
a
we
had
a
a
line
of
communication
there
and
when
we
needed
help
like
we
needed
help
on
the
brent
spence
bridge
overnight,
we
were
able
to
get
it.
We
want
to
have
similar
similar
relationships
with
the
with
the
new
administration.
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A
Gonna
have
to
do
something
and
the
only
way
we
can
do
it
is
to
making
a
reasonable
and
a
fair
gasoline
tax,
because
that's
the
only
way
we
can
get
funding,
because
our
great
fathers
found
out
that
we
have
the
constitution.
The
general
fund
has
to
stay
general
fund
and
transportation
has
to
stay
in
transportation.
A
C
I
had
tried
to
read
and
study,
but,
but
I
didn't
know
the
severity
of
the
challenge
that
we
have
with
funding
until
I
was
in
the
job
of
course,
is
for
a
few
months,
and
then
it
really
dawned
on
me
that
you
know
when
we
were
getting
requests
from
county
judges
and
from
mayors
all
across
the
state,
for
our
for
funding
in
the
various
various
buckets
that
we've
got
and
it
was
like.
Well,
we've
reached
the
bottom
of
the
barrel,
and
now
we're
going
to
have
to
go
after
the
barrel
itself.
C
We
just
the
resources,
just
aren't,
aren't
there
for
the
needs
that
we
have
especially
I
mean
the
back.
The
backlog
on
needs
is
something
like
half
a
billion
dollars
just
in
maintenance
and
and
that
when
you
look
at
it
on
our
total
budget
of
a
little
over
two
billion
dollars
annually,
that
leaves
very
little,
for
that
leaves
very
little
for
new
projects.
Frankly,
the
ones
that
are
going
to
in
that
are
going
to
stimulate
the
economy,
the
way
that
and
provide
jobs,
the
way
that
we
really
need
to
so
thank.