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A
A
Good
afternoon
and
I
appreciate
everybody
coming
here
for
the
third
meeting
of
the
house
budget
review
subcommittee
on
personnel,
public
retirement
and
finance
and
I'd
like
to
ask
spring
to
call
the
roll.
A
Here,
thank
you.
Spring
members
were
given
a
time
to
review
the
draft
minutes
from
our
February
15th
meeting
and
I'd
like
to
hear
a
motion
to
approve
the
last
meetings
minutes.
There's
a
motion
to
get
a
second
all
in
favor
on
your
pose
very
good
at
pass.
Thank
you
very
much,
I
guess.
Today
we
have
the
finance
Administration
a
cabinet
to
come
in
and
talk
about
State
procurement
and
I
told
the
secretary
earlier.
A
This
is
not
the
most
sexiest
thing
that
we
can
talk
about,
but
I
think
it's
very
vital
and
it's
important
that
the
members
have
an
understanding
of
the
procurement
process
and
how
it
operates,
because
it
does
affect
the
services
that
we
delivered
and
as
well
as
the
service
that
we
receive
and
making
sure
that
things
are
done
in
the
in
a
prudent
and
and
the
prudent
manner.
So
if
you
don't
mind,
just
go
ahead,
introduce
yourselves
and
I'll
slow.
You
in
yeah
make
sure
there.
C
A
Portunity,
if
you
don't
mind,
raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear,
swear
song,
We
swear
to
tell
the
whole
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
I
do.
Thank
you
very
much
sort
of
said
that
backwards,
but
that's
the
way
it
goes,
but
you
get
the
chance
go
ahead.
Secretary
go
ahead.
You
have
the
floor.
C
Thank
you,
first
of
all,
representative
Fleming
and
members
of
the
committee
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
come
here
today
and
talk
about
the
office
of
procurement,
Services,
the
finance
cabinet
and
the
work
that
we
do
on
a
day-to-day
basis
to
support
state
government
and
the
work
that
is
done
not
only
in
the
finance
cabinet,
but
throughout
state
government
through
procurement.
C
So
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
here
today
and
provide
additional
information
and
answer
questions
regarding
this
process
to
you
and
to
this
committee.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
I
was
planning
on
introducing
my
my
people
that
are
with
me
today.
But
since
we've
already
done
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Kathy
Robinson,
who
is
over
air
procurement,
Services
area.
A
E
E
So
the
policies
and
procedures
in
the
finance
cabinet
are
commonly
referred
to
as
the
faps
or,
as
some
people
call
them.
The
faps
there's
a
fap
for
that
is
kind
of
a
saying
that
some
of
the
procurement
people
say
it
contains
General
conditions
and
instructions
that
are
Incorporated
by
reference
into
every
solicitation
and
every
contract
that
we
issue.
E
That's
a
government
procurement
commonly
used
term
for
what
is
otherwise
called
a
price
contract
and
those
are
established
for
both
Statewide
use
and
for
agency
specific
use,
and
we
do
work
with
state
agencies
to
determine
whether
a
contract
needs
to
be
for
a
Statewide
use
such
as
UPS
parcel
delivery
or
John,
Deere
or
Granger.
Some
of
those
would
be
state-wide
use,
and
then
there
are
the
agency
specific
ones
which
we
issue
on
behalf
of
an
agency
for
a
specific
need
particular
to
that
agency.
E
E
The
standard
delegation
is
a
thousand
dollars,
but
the
finance
secretary
can
delegate
up
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
an
agency,
and
those
delegations
are
tied
to
the
agency's
level
of
procurement
training,
the
staff
that
they
have
so
the
the
more
trained
that
they
have
then
more
trained
staff
that
they
have
than
the
better
or
the
higher
their
delegated
authority
may
be,
and
the
most
frequent
way
that
they
purchase
goods
and
services
would
be
to
submit
a
requisition
to
the
office
of
procurement
services,
and
we
would
issue
a
solicitation
on
their
behalf.
E
So
the
master
agreements
a
little
bit
more
about
those
Ops,
creates
them
to
fulfill
A,
continuing
need
for
all
the
executive
branch
agencies.
All
the
executive
executive
branch
agency
need
computers.
They
all
need
office
supplies.
Most
of
them
are
using
temporary
labor.
So
those
are
examples
of
some
of
the
Allstate
agency
Master
agreements
that
we
have
that
helps
to
expedite
the
normal
purchasing
process.
E
So
we
have
Ops
has
I'm
getting
a
little
tone
time.
Ops
has
different
divisions,
we
have
an
information
technology,
division,
a
goods
and
non-professional
services,
division
that
purchase
those
items,
I.T
products
or
goods
and
non-professional
services,
and,
as
I've
already
mentioned,
they
do
the
Statewide
Master
agreements
and
also
Master
agreements
on
behalf
of
state
agencies
when
that
amount
exceeds
their
small
purchase
Authority.
E
We
also
manage
all
contract
renewals.
Master
agreements
typically
have
renewal,
optional,
renewal
periods,
and
if
the
vendor
and
the
agency
both
agree
to
renew
that
contract,
then
they
would
renew
it
and
Ops
would
manage
that,
as
well
as
any
modifications
that
might
need
to
be
made
during
the
life
of
the
contract.
E
We
also
review
their
agency
competitive
exemption
request,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
faps.
There
are
specific
procedures
that
have
to
be
followed
for
certain
non-exempt
or
non-competitive
procurements,
such
as
an
emergency
procurement.
You
know
there's
a
specific
procedure
that
they
have
to
follow
and
we
review
that
they've
followed
that
process
and
they've
done
everything
according
to
statute
Reagan
policy.
E
The
personal
service
contracts
are
for
services
that
require
professional
skill
or
professional
judgment
such
as
legal
auditing
or
Consulting,
and
a
memorandum
of
agreement
or
an
MOA,
that's
between
a
state
agency
and
any
other
governmental
body
or
political
sub,
and
also
between
a
state
agency
and
a
entity.
That's
a
501c3
non-profit!
If
that
service,
that
they're
Contracting
for
is
to
carry
out
a
governmental
function.
If
it's
not
to
carry
out
a
governmental
function,
they
can't
do
an
MOA
with
the
501c3.
E
E
They
have
to
issue
an
RFP,
that's
per
statute,
so
those
rfps
and
contracts
come
to
Ops
and
we
review
for
compliance
with
statute,
reg
and
policy,
and
also
with
the
government
contract
Review
Committee
policies.
They
have
specific
policies
that
affect
those
documents
and
we
make
sure
that
they
comply
with
those
as
well
after
Ops
has
approved
the
solicitations
or
the
RFP
is
automatically
posted
to
the
vendor
self-service
system
and
that's
on
our
website
it's
available
to
the
public.
Anybody
can
go
out
there
and
look
and
see
what's
posted
and
submit
a
bid
on
it.
E
A
E
E
E
So
now
we
get
to
the
RFP
portion
of
the
presentation,
where
we'll
kind
of
just
go
through
that
process.
So
an
RFP
is
used
when
it's
a
complex
procurement
and
typically
it's
when
the
agency
knows
what
we
want.
We
know
where
we
want
to
end
up,
but
we're
not
quite
sure
how
to
get
there.
So
we
issue
an
RFP
and
get
the
vendor
Community
to
give
us
their
proposal
to
meet
the
need
that
the
agency
is
looking
for.
E
The
RFP
is
only
required
to
be
posted
to
that
vendor
self-service
website
or
the
e-procurement
sites
is
sometimes
called
for
a
minimum
of
seven
days.
It
has
to
be
posted,
at
least
that
long.
However,
many
rfps
are
extremely
complex
and
Technical,
so
Ops
works
with
the
using
agency
to
kind
of
determine
how
long
that
RFP
needs
to
be
out
there.
E
Typically,
it
needs
to
be
out
there
at
least
30
days,
and
if
it's
very
technical
and
very
complex,
it
needs
to
stay
out
longer.
We
need
to
give
the
vendor
Community
time
to
read
the
RFP
and
understand
what
it
is
we
want.
We
need
to
allow
them
time
to
formulate
questions
and
then
the
Commonwealth
respond
to
those
questions
and
time
for
them
to
prepare
a
quality
proposal
and
submit
it
to
us.
E
So,
although
seven
days
is
the
requirement,
they
are
typically
posted
longer
than
that
to
ensure
we
get
a
quality
proposal
and
we
get
vendors
who
are
giving
us
what
it
is
we
actually
need
so
in
the
RFP,
those
performance
requirements
are
provided.
There
are
separate
Provisions
for
a
technical
and
a
cost
proposal.
The
technical
proposal
is
what
we
call
that
portion
where
they
tell
us
how
they're
going
to
do
what
we're
wanting
them
to
do.
That's
the
technical
part,
and
then
there
are
specific
evaluation
criteria
for
determining
the
award.
We
tell
them
in
the
RFP.
E
These
are
the
things
that
we're
going
to
evaluate
your
proposal
on,
and
then
we
have
oral
presentations
that
are
a
part
of
the
RFP
process
and
they
may
be
required
of
the
highest
ranking
vendors
and
on
a
complex
procurement.
They
usually
are
required
an
oral
presentation
and
that's
where
the
vendor
has
the
ability
to
come
in
and
demonstrate
to
the
evaluators
just
what
their
product
is
going
to
do.
For
example,
if
it's
some
kind
of
e-procurement
or
Software
System,
something
technical,
they
can
come
in
and
do
a
demonstration.
E
E
Once
all
the
proposals
are
evaluated,
we
typically
move
on
to
negotiation
with
the
highest
evaluated
offer,
and
sometimes
that
can
take
a
while
as
well,
and
then
the
contract
is
awarded
to
the
responsible
and
responsive
offerer,
whose
proposal
is
determined
in
writing
to
be
the
most
advantageous
to
the
Commonwealth
and
that's
based
on
the
price
and
the
evaluation
factors
that
we
set
forth
in
the
RFP.
That's
what
we
evaluate
them
on.
What
we
said
in
the
RFP
is
what
we
do.
E
So
the
role
of
the
Ops
buyer
I'll
go
into
that
just
a
little
bit.
The
buyer
works
with
the
agency
to
develop
the
solicitation,
determine
what
evaluation
criteria
would
be
appropriate
and
scoring
mechanisms
once
that
solicitation
is
issued
again
in
order
to
maintain
Integrity
of
the
process.
The
buyer
in
Ops
buyer
serves
as
the
sole
point
of
contract
for
vendors.
E
So
if
a
vendor
calls
anyone
else
in
the
agency
or
anyone
else
in
another
agency
and
wants
to
ask
questions
about
the
RFP
they're
not
allowed
no
one's
allowed
to
answer,
except
that
buyer
who
is
noted
in
the
RFP,
the
buyer,
serves
as
a
non-voting
facilitator
for
the
evaluation
team.
We
schedule
all
the
meetings
we
go
over
the
rules
for
evaluation,
we
get
non-disclosure
forms
from
those
evaluating
evaluators
and
we
ensure
that
they
are
fully
engaged
and
that
they
are
participating
in
contributing
to
the
process.
Because
it's
a
big
time
commitment
for
evaluators.
E
When
we
get
these
technical,
complex
procurements,
they've
got
to
be
very
knowledgeable
about
the
RFP.
They
have
to
thoroughly
review
the
proposals,
and
sometimes
we
get
a
lot
of
large
proposals.
So
it's
a
time
commitment
for
them
to
review
everything
and
evaluate,
and
then
schedule
meetings
with
the
team
to
document
their
evaluation.
E
E
If
the
team
requires
any
kind
of
clarification
from
the
bidder
or
the
offer,
then
that
buyer
reaches
out
and
gets
that
clarification
and
provides
it
to
the
team.
The
buyer
calculates
the
cost
score
and
I
want
to
mention.
We
calculate
the
cost
score
after
the
team
has
reviewed
the
technical
and
scored
it.
We
don't
want
a
cost
to
be
influence,
anyone's
evaluation
of
the
technical.
You
know
if
a
vendor
has
a
really
great
cost.
We
don't
want
their
to
be
to
for
the
evaluation
team
to
say
well,
they
had
a
really
good
cost.
E
E
The
buyer
calculates
the
final
scores
and
the
rankings
and
they
make
certain
that
the
evaluators
provide
justification
for
the
scores
they've.
Given
they
can't
just
say,
I
want
to
score
them
a
four.
They
have
to
explain
why
they're
scoring
them
before
they
have
to
have
justification
for
what
they're
doing
and
then
the
buyer
also
documents
the
evaluation
process.
E
So
one
thing
well
I
won't
get
to
that.
Yet
so
the
Ops
buyer.
What
else
did
they
do?
They
evaluate
the
proposals
for
responsiveness
before
they
distribute
them
to
the
team?
And
what
does
that
mean
evaluating
for
responsiveness?
They
make
certain
that
the
proposal
contains
everything
that
we
told
them
they
had
to
send.
E
They
distribute
those
proposals
to
the
evaluation
team
and
the
team
reviews
them,
as
I
stated
earlier,
they
evaluate,
and
then
we
score
based
on
that
criteria,
that
was
in
the
RFP
and
again
cost
is
scored
after
technical
is
completed.
E
Oral
presentations
or
demonstrations
are
typically
conducted
when
they're
appropriate
with
the
vendors
who
are
susceptible
for
award,
and
then
negotiations
are
conducted
with
the
highest
rank
vendor.
So
once
we've
evaluated
the
technical,
the
cost
and
the
orals,
we
total
those
scores
and
the
highest
ranked
vendor.
We
enter
into
negotiations
with
them
and
then
the
contract
is
awarded.
E
E
If
you're
issuing
an
RFP
for
an
audit,
for
example,
that's
not
going
to
be
a
long
process
because
it's
fairly
concrete
what
it
is
that
you're
asking
them
to
do.
You're
wanting
them
to
audit
these
things
for
this
time
period
and
provide
a
report.
E
Where
vendors
can
can
look
at
it
and
and
respond
to
the
time
a
contract
is
awarded
is
approximately
six
months
it
can
take
longer
and
that
doesn't
take
into
account
the
time
that
was
spent
before
that.
Let
date
the
time
that
the
agency
worked
on
their
scope
of
work
and
then
the
time
that
Ops
work
with
the
agency
to
make
sure
that
their
evaluation
criteria
was
solid,
that
their
scores
were
appropriate,
that
all
the
information
that
the
vendors
needed
was
in
the
RFP.
E
And,
as
I
said,
there
are
a
lot
of
factors
that
determine
how
long
it's
going
to
take
to
complete
your
RFP.
The
scope
will
work
for
these
large
complicated
projects.
It
takes
a
long
time
and
subject
matter
experts
with
the
agency.
You
know
they
work
on
those
and
and
it
takes
a
while
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
Ops,
the
buyer
might
have
procurement
requirements
that
it
needs
to
go
back
to
the
agency
to
comply
with.
E
E
What
it
is
you're
asking
you
need
to
allow
them
to
ask
Salient
questions
and
sometimes
vendors,
ask
questions
that
cause
us
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
scope
and
revise
the
scope,
because
you
know
they're
the
industry
experts
and
they
might
be
aware
of
things
that
Us
in
in
state
government
are
not
aware
of.
So
sometimes
that
does
require
change
to
the
RFP,
and
that
adds
more
time
onto
the
process.
E
E
They
may
want
to
modify
some
of
our
standard
terms
and
conditions,
or
they
might
want
to
modify
a
requirement
that
the
Commonwealth
office
of
technology
has,
if
it's
an
I.T
system,
so
the
buyer
would
have
to
review
those
requests
and
determine
if
it
is
something
that
we
can
work
on
or
if
it's
something
that
we
absolutely
cannot
budge
on
and
if
we
can't
and
the
vendor
decides
that
they're
not
going
to
budge
either.
Then
they're
not
responsive.
E
Then
the
evaluation
team
review
of
the
proposals,
as
I
said
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
for
them
to
review
the
RFP
and
read
the
proposals,
and
sometimes
there
have
been
instances
where
we
have
gotten
20
proposals
and
they're
large.
We
don't
get
paper
copies
anymore,
but
when
we
used
to
get
paper
copies,
we
would
have
big
file
boxes
that
were
one
proposal,
so
they
are
very
large
and
they
take
a
while
to
review
and
then
negotiation
of
terms
and
conditions.
We
can
negotiate
anything
that
was
in
that
proposal
and
many
times
we
do.
E
We
can
negotiate
cost
as
well
and
we
do
try
and
negotiate
costs
when
we
can
and
then
there's
the
process
of
awarding
the
final
agreement.
Sometimes
it
just
takes
a
long
time
to
get
signatures
for
whatever
reason
somebody's
on
vacation-
and
this
can
be-
you
know
the
vendor
on
the
vendor-
end
we're
waiting
for
them
to
sign.
So
that
takes
time
as
well
and
that
ends
my
presentation.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Robertson
I
appreciate
your
thorough
discussion
and
presentation
on
the
process
and
I
know
the
job
that
you'll
do
going
through
is
not
easy,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
different
components
that
you're
dealing
with
from
you
know
those
price
purchasing
contracts
to
complex,
rfps
and
so
forth.
A
I
wonder
I
just
want
to
ask
a
couple
questions
and
I'll
see
if
any
members
of
the
committee
has
any
questions
when
it
comes
to
I,
guess
the
just
the
the
purchase
commodity
price
and
I'll
just
I'll
use
some
of
my
language
when
I'm
used
to
and
if
you
don't
understand,
then
I'll
try
to
interpret
but
more
of
a
you
know
more
of
the
the
commodity
type
of
pricing
like
for
pencils
and
chairs
and
all
this
stuff.
A
Are
you
all
comfortable
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
purchasing
Authority
thresholds?
For
that
particular
type
of
procurement?
Could
you
mentioned
twenty
thousand
twenty
thousand
and
a
thousand
and
so
forth?
Is
there
I
guess
a
explain
a
little
more?
Is
there
any
hindrance
of
that
being
too
low,
or
is
it
maybe
too
high.
E
Well,
for
the
things
that
you
mentioned,
things
like
pencils
and
chairs
and
and
things
that
agencies
routinely
need.
We
have
established
Master
agreements
for
those
we
have
furniture,
Master
agreements.
We
have
two
office
supply,
Master
agreements
where
those
prices
are
established
and
agencies
don't
have
to
worry
about
their
purchasing
Authority.
They
can
purchase,
however
much
they
need
from
a
master
agreement
as.
A
Right
I
know
if,
if
they
find
their
situation,
it's
gone
to
I
guess
break
the
bank.
What's
the
process
to
try
to
get
that
that
approved
or
how
that
how's
that
address.
A
Yeah
but-
and
they
see
the
and
they
see
the
need,
I
mean
obviously
does
the
do.
You
all
have
the
ability
to
to
look
at
other
resources
within
your
cabinet
in
order
to
try
to
accomplish
that.
Assuming
that's
a
hiding,
that's
a
high
need.
D
So
I'm,
not
if
I
understand
your
question,
we
really
don't
have
the
ability
to
you
know
reach
into
Finance
in
terms
of
supplying
agencies
with
with
with
their
financial
needs.
They
would
need
to
look
into
their
own
budget
and
and
if
so,
if
they
needed
to
procure
either
additional
equipment
or
Goods
that
were
beyond
their
budgetary
appropriation,
then
they
would
probably
need
to
wait
until
the
next
budgetary
cycle
and
make
that
request
at
that.
A
C
No,
that
that
would
be
within
I,
mean
again,
Appropriations
are
are
designated
through
the
general
assembly
and
I.
Don't
believe
that
there's
any
language
that
allows
I
think
that
during
the
recession,
there
was
a
little
bit
of
of
ability
to
do
that.
I
think
up
to
10
percent,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
there
is
anything
that
allows
shifting
to
cover
appropriation
need.
D
And
I
guess
the
only
caveat
to
that
that
I
might
mention
is
of
course
there.
There
are
sections
of
chapter
45
that
you
know
allow
osbd
and
Secretary
of
Finance
to
make
certain
budgetary
adjustments
as
long
as
those
have
not
been
with
not
withstood
in
the
budget.
So
there
is
some
ability
there
at
some
points,
but
we
I
think
we'd
really
have
to
defer
to
osbd
yeah
those
particular
questions.
Okay,.
A
C
Obviously
we
had
some
that
just
came
through
on
Monday
following
the
wind
storms,
we
had
some
emergency
procurements
that
were
necessary
for
response
to
the
damage
caused
by
the
Windstorm
and
needing
to
address
some
things
that
were
emergencies
following
the
floods
following
the
tornadoes
we
had
some
emergencies
and
obviously
during
covid
we
had
some
emergencies.
C
C
An
agency
I
mean
it
comes
up
to
me
after
it's
been
vetted
through
Ops,
but
an
agency
submits
a
request
to
procure
something
as
an
emergency
need,
whatever
it
may
be,
you
may
be
able
to
put
more
more
information
to
that,
but
I
I
have
been
the
final
approval
on
those
emergency
purchases.
Yeah.
E
We've
had
the
large
emergencies
that
the
secretary
just
mentioned,
and
we
also
have
emergencies
such
as.
There
have
been
instances
where
a
tractor
trailer
crossed
a
bridge.
They
shouldn't
have
some
on
some
little
road
and
transportation
had
an
emergency.
They
had
to
get
materials
in
there
quickly
in
order
to
you
know,
fix
the
bridge,
so
the
the
local
traffic
can
continue.
Park
seems
to
have
a
lot
of
wind
damage,
not
even
not
just
from
the
big
storms
but
from
just
regular
storms.
Throughout
the
year.
They'll
have
wind
damage.
E
You
know,
trees
fall
on
the
roofs
things
like
that.
There
have
been
times
where
you
know
the
HVAC
goes
out
in
one
of
the
Department
of
Corrections
dorm
rooms
in
the
middle
of
summer.
You
know
that's
an
emergency,
so
there
there
are
all
kinds
of
emergencies
and
the
administrative
regs
and
the
statutes
in
a
true
emergency
situation.
The
agency
determines
whether
or
not
it's
an
emergency
situation
and
they
can
go
ahead
bed
and
start
procuring
what
they
need
to
address
that
emergency
as
quickly
as
they
can.
E
There's
not
a
list
of
you
know
what
constitutes
an
emergency,
the
agencies
they
will
try
to
get
multiple
quotes
to
address
an
emergency,
but
sometimes
that's
just
not
feasible.
E
If
there's
you
know
a
large
storm
in
a
particular
area
and
they
need
an
electrician
or
a
roofer
to
come
and
do
something
there's
a
high
demand
in
the
surrounding
area
for
those
skilled
people,
you
know
not
just
with
with
Parks,
so
they
will.
You
know,
get
as
much
information
and
quotes
as
possible,
but
sometimes
they
just
have
to
act
and
they
have
to
act
quickly.
A
A
Well,
if
you
could
it
if
we,
if
there's
a
way
to
get
just
a
list
of
emergencies,
that's
that
the
other
that
the
agencies
encountered
and
and
what
it
was
for
and
so
forth.
That'd
be
great.
A
If
you
don't
have
one
I
appreciate,
if
you
can,
you
know
provide
that
that
will
help
out
just
get
an
idea
of
what's
going
on
that
and
what
I
call
QBs
or
your
rfps
I
noticed
you
put
in
price
this
price
always
component,
or
do
you
just
look
at
the
quality
of
services
being
delivered
then
back
into
the
price
and
take
on
a
a
contractor,
say:
hey
we
can
you
we
really
like
your
service.
We
like
your
quality
of
work,
but
you
just.
We
just
need
to
work
on
your
price.
E
A
Good,
that's
good
to
hear
good
to
hear
how
many
rfps
have
been
canceled.
Do
you
know
canceled.
A
Is
there
a
list
available
for
the
public
that
can
see
that
all
the
contracts
we
have
in
terms
of
the
amount
and
and
for
what
reason
and
so
forth,
and
the
reason
I'm,
where
I'm
coming
from
when
I
was
on
Louisville
Metro
Council?
We,
along
with
another
colleague
and
I,
we
put
forth
a
cuddy,
louisvillecheckbook.com
and
basically
list
all
the
contracts
and
how
much
it
is
and
so
forth.
Is
that
something
available.
E
We
list
all
of
our
All-State
Agency
contracts
out
on
our
website,
because
they're
available
for
Louisville
Metro
and
any
other
governmental
unit
in
the
Commonwealth
to
use.
So
we
put
all
of
our
Allstate
agencies
on
our
website
and
then
there's
also
the
transparency
website
where
those
are
listed.
So.
A
It
says
so
I'll,
just
let
me
know
what
that
website
is.
I
can
dig
around,
but
that'd
be
great
I'd
like
to
look
at
that,
because
I
haven't
come
across
it
as
of
yet
so.
Okay
I
appreciate
that.
Oh
no
one,
like
one
last
question,
do
you
have
a
list
of
all
the
vehicles
that
you
described?
You
have
a
list
of
the
number
of
contracts
and
the
average
amount
in
there
as
well.
E
A
As
a
gentleman
said,
if
you
just
have
a
list
of
the
number
and
the
amounts
it
could
be,
the
average
amounts
of
the
moas
and
the
rfps
those
those
things
that
you
outline
in
the
beginning.
Your
presentation.
D
D
Now
the
agency
may
not
spend
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
they
may
only
spend
twenty
five
thousand
or
something
like
that
to
accomplish
their
particular
needs,
and
so
I
I
guess
we'll
have
to
go
back
and
see
what
see
what
Kathy
can
can
put
together,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
So
I
don't
want
to
mislead
you
with
some
of
the
numbers
that
you
may
see,
because
that's
that
that's
often
what
we
see
at
government
contract
review.
D
You
know,
moas
and
and
and
personal
service
contracts
go
before
that
committee
and
you
know
you'll
you'll
hear
well
there's
300
million
dollars
worth
of
contracts
on
on
the
on
the
agenda
for
that
particular
committee
for
that
particular
month.
But
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
Commonwealth
is
going
to
spend
all
that
money,
because
those
are
not
to
exceed
amounts.
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry
I
do
have
one
more
question.
It
just
came
to
me:
I
think
it's,
the
the
EHR
contract
with
unemployment
yo
are
y'all
involved
with
that
at
all.
E
A
The
the
electronic
health.
E
With
that
the
electronic
health
records
it's
familiar,
okay,.
A
A
Okay,
well
that
particular
contract.
It
was
let
back
in
2020,
then
there's
no
agreement
in
2021
I
understand
that
someone
was
selected
and
the
company
had
some
serious
issues.
I
won't
go
down
to
it,
but
basically-
and
thankfully
the
state
said
no-
we
got
to
reboot
and
now
I'm
understanding
with
the
secretary
of
Health
and
Family
Services,
their
hope
to
get
that
out,
sometime
I
think
into
this
quarter
or
first
or
next
quarter
and
so
forth.
A
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
see
you
know
if
what
involvement
y'all
had
with
that
particular
contract,
because
it's
been
going
on
and
we
know
that
system
is
totally
Antiquated
and
there's
been
arpa
money
to
come
in
from
other
states
to
help
update
their
their
technology
and
so
forth.
So
I
just
want
to
just
want
to
see
if,
if
you
have
any
insight
or
any
thoughts
on
that
particular
contract,
how
we
can
get
things
going,
because,
obviously
that
system
is
really
needs
to
be
updated
in
an
expeditious
way.
E
It
and
I
wanted
to
comment.
Ryan's
comment
about
the
psc's
kind
of
made
me
think
of
something
on
the
master
agreements
that
we
talked
about,
that
we're
going
to
get
you
the
information
on
a
lot
of
those
well,
the
majority
of
them.
They
established
unit
prices
for
the
agencies
to
use.
So,
for
example,
we
might
have
a
unit
prices.
You
know
of
I,
don't
know
five
dollars
for
something
the
amount
of
that
contract
is
going
to
be
zero
because
the
there's,
no
there's
nothing
being
ordered
on
that
contract.
A
I
understood
I
understood
any
questions
from
the
committee
all
right
well.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
committee
for
going
through
this
process.
I
think
it
gets
a
little
more
information
on
which
I'll
go
through
and
do
appreciate
your
service.
So
if
there's
nothing
else,
we
stand
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Thank.