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From YouTube: Jail and Corrections Reform Task Force
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Jail and Corrections Reform Task Force meeting located in room 171 of the Annex.
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A
Is
reform
task
force
our
first
meeting,
I
want
to
welcome
you
all
to
the
task
force
we're
going
to
try
to
get
a
lot
done
in
the
next
few
months
to
to
develop
some
policy
ideas
and
and
suggestions
and
potential
options
ahead
of
the
2021
session.
I'm
looking
forward
to
serving
with
my
co-chairman,
michael
meredith.
B
A
C
A
Remember
to
to
text
us
your
questions
with
that
we're
going
to
jump
right
in
turn,
your
cell
phones
off
and,
if
you're,
testifying
before
the
committee.
I'm
reading
this
instruction,
please
state
your
name
and
title
for
the
record
before
you
begin
your
testimony
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
always
in
front
of
a
committee
here
in
kentucky.
A
A
Steve,
shannon
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
association
of
regional
programs
come
on
up
steve
glad
to
have
you
here
in
person,
and
I
know
we've
got
jo
dan
beavers
and
eric
embry,
the
ceo
of
life
skills
and,
formerly
the
royal
mental
health
center
also
attending
remotely.
Mr
shannon
thank
you.
I
got
my
mask.
E
E
E
The
system-
and
I
always
want
to
tell
you
about
a
little
about
mental
health
centers.
We
serve
about
180
000
people
annually
about
125
26
kentuckians
accesses
services
at
a
mental
health
center.
Our
enabling
statute,
krs-210,
were
creature
of
the
general
assembly,
clearly
identify
serving
people
with
intellectual
development,
disabilities,
people
with
mental
illness
and
people
with
substance
use
disorder,
and
we
serve
180,
000,
distinct
individuals
annually,
probably
about
8
000
people
in
8
000
people
about
one
at
one.
One
point
that
was
one
in
200
working
kentuckians
was
employed.
E
Center,
pretty
economic
force
really
statewide
and
a
piece
that
doesn't
get
talked
about
much
we're
led
by
300
committed,
volunteer
board
members
who
really
shape
the
future
of
services
and
what
centers
are
doing.
I
tell
people
community
mental
health
centers,
make
communities
better
through
exceptional
services,
good
jobs
and
committed
volunteer
leadership,
and
that's
really
what
we
do
as
mental
health
centers.
That's
the
important
piece
and
that's
kind
of
our
background.
Okay,
today
I
was
asked
to
talk
about
mental
health
and
incarceration.
E
When
I
hear
mental
health,
I
expand
that
to
include
substance
use
disorder
as
well,
because
that's
a
pretty
significant
piece,
and
unfortunately,
but
probably
not
surprisingly,
individual
intellectual
development
disabilities
are
crossing
that
path
as
well
they're
having
some
legal
problems
and
those
are
raising
up
now
in
different
places,
actually
have
in
this
room
on
monday
talking
about
exceptional
supports
and
one
of
the
characteristics
for
people.
Intellectual
villain,
disability
who
need
additional
support
are
criminal
justice
involvement.
So
it's
really
happening
unfortunately.
E
So
for
us,
this
is
something
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
and
we
are
committed
to
doing
there's
a
powerpoint
in
your
packet.
I
do
better
without
powerpoint,
so
I'm
going
to
speak,
hopefully
get
everything
covered.
I
have
my
cheat
sheet
in
case.
I
missed
something
I'll
check
that
to
make
sure
I
cover
everything
I
cheat
sheets
in
school.
I
would
have
done
better,
so
this
is
what
you're
doing
and
again
the
category
is
pretty
broad,
so
we
were
starting.
I
was
trying
to
figure
out.
E
What
can
we
do
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
joe
dan
beaver
who's,
the
ceo
of
life
skills
and
eric
embry,
ceo
of
penny
royal,
about
how
can
we
approach
this
topic
because
it's
a
fairly
large
piece
of
waterfront,
so
we
said,
let's
look
at
it
from
a
perspective
of
of
a
continuum
in
terms
of
an
arrest,
maybe
pre-trial
what
happens
there,
services,
while
a
person
incarcerated
and
re-entry
and
in
our
world.
I
call
it
transition,
that's
what
we
really
talk
about,
but
it's
re-entry.
E
E
But
one
theme,
if
I
was
told,
what's
the
one
thing
that
you
all
need
to
take
away
today
and
it's
a
pretty
simple
message
and
it's
across
all
healthcare,
but
in
our
focus
today,
all
right
and
this
impacts,
jail
and
corrections.
Reform
is
services
accessed
sooner
the
sooner
someone
gets
services,
the
better
the
outcome
it
is
for
that
person,
the
sooner
they
get
the
services,
the
better
the
outcome,
and
secondarily
the
sooner
services
are
delivered
to
people
right.
E
They
get
services
the
better
the
outcome
for
the
system,
okay,
so
the
individual
who
I
like
to
talk
about
will
get
a
better
outcome.
If
they
access
services
sooner
right,
don't
wait,
get
them
as
soon
as
possible
and
the
system
is
better
that
way
and
the
system
is
better.
That
way.
I
used
to
talk
about
cost
savings.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
savings,
but
it's
a
cost
avoidance.
E
I
don't.
The
budgets
decrease
significantly
because
of
action,
but
there's
not
added
people
to
the
existing
budget,
so
you
can
spread
the
resources
better.
That
way,
you're
not
forced
to
do
more
things,
so
the
system
benefits
it
because
they're
not
getting
more
expensive,
more
intensive
services,
someplace
else,
so
a
theme
is
better
services.
Delivered
sooner
is
better
outcomes.
I
really
think
that's
true.
If
you
look
at
dentistry,
they
tell
you
get
your
teeth
cleaned
twice
a
year
right,
so
you
don't
get
a
root
canal.
We
accept
that
promise.
E
Let's
apply
it
here
as
well
on
mental
health
and
substance
abuse.
So
we
talk
about
the
continuum
and
the
very
beginning
of
this
process
in
the
continuum
is:
is
what
can
people
do
when
there's
a
crisis
for
an
individual
in
the
community?
At
that
point,
what
can
happen
and
what
the
centers
do
in
collaboration
with
local
law
enforcement
is
a
program
called
crisis
intervention
training.
E
This
is
the
first
step
and
again
this
is
services
better
sooner
okay.
This
program
started
in
memphis,
because
memphis
had
some
bad
encounters
unfortunate
encounters
between
people
who
are
severely
mentally
ill,
not
taking
their
medication
and
folks
who
and
law
enforcement
officers.
So
they
figured
out.
What
can
we
do?
Yeah?
E
He
understood
this
world
from
both
perspectives,
but
what
this
program
does
is
train
police
officers
in
how
to
interact
with
someone
who's
mentally
ill
and
is
having
a
problem,
maybe
not
taking
their
medication,
get
upset.
You
know
you
probably
heard
stories,
train
police
officers
to
go
and
interact
with
that
person
right
trained
in
de-escalation
remain
calm,
speak
in
a
very
s.
E
You
know
slow
cautious
way,
don't
aggravate
the
person
right
and
do
that
and
the
outcome
is
the
individual
police
officer
and
they
take
that
skill
focus
on
mental
illness,
but
applies
to
substance,
abuse
and
intellectual
development
disabilities
and
they
have
a
better
interaction
with
that
person
right.
Bad
things
don't
happen.
E
Second
thing:
is
police
officers
aren't
getting
hurt
in
that
transaction
in
that
interaction,
police
officers
were
getting
hurt
before
this
training.
The
centers
do
that
training
two
three
days
a
week
training
some
law
enforcement,
local
agencies,
everyone's
been
trained,
some
have
dedicated
cit
officers,
but
the
point
is
the
person
is
better
served.
The
law
enforcement
officer
is
better
equipped,
isn't
getting
harmed
and
instead
of
taking
that
person
to
jail,
they
may
take
that
person
to
a
crisis.
Stabilization
unit
for
mental
health
treatment,
a
psychiatric
hospital
they're
not
showing
up
in
jail.
E
That's
got
to
be
a
good
deal
for
everybody,
they're
getting
those
services
law,
enforcement's
safer.
One,
quick
story,
state
police
told
me
this:
they
got
both
were
trained.
They
showed
up
the
deputy
sheriff
showed
up.
They
were
in
the
class
together
they
expected
when
they
got
to
this
person's
house,
that
something
bad
was
going
to
happen
to
somebody
that
day
and
it
didn't
happen.
E
B
E
In
the
process
it
worked
really
well,
that's
cit.
It's
an
upstream
there's,
a
desmond
tutu
who
said
we
can
pull
people
out
of
the
river.
But
let's
figure
out
why
they're
falling
in
the
river
upstream
cit
is
an
upstream
tech
technique
that
works
again
for
law
enforcement
and
the
person
and
gets
them
into
services
works
for
everybody
involved,
pretty
good.
B
E
E
Right
they're
facing
some
sort
of
incarceration
jail
time,
whatever
president,
whoever
going
to
be,
but
they
agree
to
participate
in
drug
court
right
and
the
judge
holds
them
accountable.
Judges
have
that
special
power
that
case
managers
and
clinicians
don't
have
to
hold
and
family
members
and
sometimes
individuals
to
be
held
accountable.
They
have
to
participate
in
drug
courts,
it's
a
data-driven
model,
it's
all
over
the
state,
but
it's
never
been
a
systematic
process.
E
Judges
want
to
do
it.
Aoc
wants
to
support
it,
how's
it
paid
for
how
does
that
work
out?
If
this
is
really
effective,
let's
get
as
many
drug
courts
as
we
can
in
specialized
treatment
again
to
prevent
a
conversation
of
these
folks
being
in
jail
and
the
focus
of
this
task
force.
It's
almost
a
management
issue
of
what
takes
place
with
drug
courts
really
effective
ever
had
a
chance
to
go
to
drug
court.
Graduation,
you
ought
to
go
to
one.
E
If
you
haven't
been
to
one
it's
just
a
profound
experience
to
have
people
who
are
now
sober,
they
feel
like
they
can
manage
their
life
and
can
move
on
to
recovery,
which
is
a
whole
different
thing
than
being
sober.
So
drug
courts
related
drug
courts
right
and
we
provide
services.
Drug
courts
have
drug
screenings,
so
we're
checking
to
make
sure
they're
getting
into
treatment.
They
have
to
participate
in
treatment,
they
have
to
go.
They
can't
skip
out
some
communities.
Have
mental
health
course.
The
same
focus
lexington
has
one
started
but
lexington.
E
You
know
they
figured
out
a
way
to
pay
for
it,
not
a
systematic
approach.
Other
communities
have
those
as
well
louisville.
One
time
had
a
veterans
court
because
they
had
a
lot
of
veterans
who
are
having
a
problem
focus
on
specific
that
issue
and
again
the
goal
is
we're
up
river,
we're
up
the
stream,
we're
not
pulling
bodies
out
we're
preventing
bodies
from
getting
in.
So
we
have
drug
courts,
mental
health
courts,
veteran
courts,
we
have
more.
So
that's
the
next
step
briefly.
What
are
we
doing
in
jails?
E
Okay,
that's
the
first
step,
what's
happening
in
jails,
we
all
have
contracts
with
local
jails
and
cmhcs
are
a
regional
model.
I
emphasize
a
regional
model
from
as
few
as
five
counties
as
many
as
17
counties,
their
relationship
across
within
their
county
within
their
region
with
local
jails.
Isn't
the
same.
You
know
it
varies.
Some
is
really
really
good.
Some
is
aspiring
to
be
good.
Different
centers
have
different
approaches
to
jails,
so
it's
a
local
issue,
jails
and
construction.
I,
like
the
local
perspective.
E
I
think
that's
how
it
drives
the
system
better,
as
opposed
to
top
down,
but
one
thing
that
started
in
lexington
at
the
mental
health
center
their
bluegrass.
Now
new
vista
was
a
jail
triage
program
and
this
was
done
in
response
to
suicides
and
jails
all
over
the
herald
leader,
maybe
15
years
ago,
several
suicides
in
a
relatively
short
period
of
time.
Bluegrass.
Now
new
vista
developed
a
tool
in
collaboration
with
the
jail
clinicians.
Did
this
and
the
retired
jailer
on
so
had
suicide
prevention,
things
they
identify
and
the
jail
protocol
they
needed
identified.
E
This
is
a
telephonic
back.
In
the
day,
this
was
cutting
edge
technology.
Telephonic
today,
who
still
has
a
telephone
right,
but
it's
that
technology
and
it
was
a
jailer,
could
call.
I
have
someone
who's
at
risk
of
suicide
mentioned
they
want
to
hurt
themselves.
Oh
my
gosh,
I
want
to
die
what
has
happened
to
me.
They
can
call
and
get
specific
directions.
Protocols
to
follow
a
person
needs
to
be
in
an
observation
cell
need
to
be
seen
every
15
minutes
that
person's
in
crisis.
E
You
need
to
call
the
mental
health
center
and
get
someone
out
there
today
to
get
them
committed
to
a
tooth.
Wait
call
them
right
now:
bluegrass
trained
professionals,
24
7,
not
a
cheap
thing-
to
do,
calling
to
a
local
mental
health
center
who's
on
call
go
to
the
jail
go
see.
This
person
needs
to
happen
again.
The
focus
is
keeping
people
safe.
E
E
That
could
come
out
of
this
task
force.
That
recommendation
is
encourage
those
relationships
to
get
back
and
look
at
that.
We
did
a
planning
initiative
several
two
years
20
years
ago
and
one
guy
was
mad.
He
had
to
do
it,
ceo,
since
retired
unfunded
mandate.
Why
are
you
making
me
doing
this
and
he
complained
about
it?
Two
months
later
he
said
it's
a
pretty
good
thing.
E
We
thought
we
had
a
good
relationship
with
our
local
partners
and
we
didn't-
and
he
was
a
big
enough
guy
to
acknowledge
that
I
thought
we
had
a
good
relationship
and
we
didn't.
Maybe
a
recommendation
is
go
back
and
have
conversations
with
local
jails
and
local
jails
have
conversational
health
centers,
because
maybe.
D
E
Think
the
relationship
is
good
and
effective,
and
maybe
it's
not
going
from
jails
to
corrections.
This
happened
again.
Maybe
eight
years
ago
we
were
still
doing
this
substance,
abuse,
outpatient
treatment,
intensive
outpatient
treatment
for
people
coming
out
of
corrections
they
get
referred
to
us.
They
have
to
participate.
E
Intensive
outpatient
treatment
is
three
hours,
maybe
three
four
days
a
week,
so
you
get
maybe
12
hours
of
therapy
supports
group
therapy
a
week
they
have
to
participate.
This
is
an
evidence-based
practice.
The
outcomes
for
iop
is
comparable
to
residential.
You
can
do
iop
and
still
work
right.
You
can
still
do
iop
and
you
know
so.
You
have
some
money
to
live
and
support
yourself
and
go
on
from
there.
So
that's
the
new
program
that
happened
and
all
the
centers
are
participating
in
that
with
the
department
of
corrections.
E
E
E
Now
they
suspend
from
your
medicaid
and
then
they
reactivate
it
upon
discharge.
So
when
you
get
out,
it's
activated
again
one
little
anomaly:
you
got
to
go
to
the
dcbs
office
and
tell
them
you're
out
of
jail.
Then
you're
back
on
medicaid
that
allows
for
these
services
to
be
paid.
It's
an
invaluable
change
in
accessing
services
for
individuals
who
didn't
have
coverage
before
state
general
fund
dollars
and
mental
health
centers
have
been
reduced.
E
E
Allows
that
to
happen,
that's
pretty
important.
Two
programs
going
to
highlight
one
in
northern
kentucky
and
one
in
the
penny
royal
center
hopkinsville
one
in
northern
kentucky
is
north
key.
It
is
a
heroin,
expedited
addiction,
recovery,
treatment
heart.
I
think
they
like
the
word
heart
and
they
force
letters
to
fit
that.
But
it's
the
heart
program-
and
this
is
done
with
a
boon
in
kenton,
county
okay
and
it's
done
in
their
communities,
judges
when
someone
gets
arrested
and
they
have
an
opioid
right,
they're,
either
tested
positive
or
they
have
opioids
on
their
body.
E
That
person,
that
judge
orders
a
substance,
abuse
assessment
and
that
substance
abuse
assessment
is
sent
directly
to
the
mental
health
under
their
north
key.
They
get
it
immediately.
They
go
and
do
the
assessment.
It's
an
ordered
assessment,
as
opposed
to
ordering
the
assessment
and
not
having
someone.
Do
it
right
away.
They
do
the
assessment
make
a
recommendation
back
to
the
judge.
Again,
some
people
are
recommended
substance,
abuse,
intensive
outpatient
treatment.
If
that
happens,
that
individual
goes
right
into
treatment
immediately:
they're
not
going
to
the
jail
they're,
not
being
incarcerated,
getting
to
treatment.
E
They
meet
a
case
manager
in
the
world
of
services
of
people,
intellectual
development,
disabilities,
mental
illness
and
substance
abuse
disorders
case
managers
are
the
linchpin.
These
are
folks
who
connect
them
to
access
in
the
community,
connect
them
to
services,
connect
them
to
housing,
connect
them
to
jobs,
and
do
these
things
this
program
in
fiscal
year,
20
did
776
assessments,
okay,
and
the
goal
is
to
get
them
into
treatment
to
get
them
into
sober.
They
don't
get
arrested.
E
They
don't
get
a
jail
they're,
not
occupying
that
space
in
a
jail
they're
working
and
they're
participating
597
assessments
in
kenton,
county
179
in
boone
county
in
fiscal
year,
20
and
20
head
covered
in
it.
Still.
A
lot
of
people
impacted
who
are
going
to
treatment
instead
of
jail
again
better
services
delivered
sooner
is
a
better
outcome.
The
next
program
I'm
going
to
touch
upon
briefly.
It
involves
the
penny
royal
center
hopkins
villas
around
the
counties
and
the
western
kentucky
correctional
facility
and.
E
E
So
you
don't
experience
the
high
if
they're
taking
vivitrol
they
get
that
in
corrections
make
sure
they
have
someone
who
is
a
physician
to
prescribe
vivid
trials,
an
ejection
every
28
days
that
takes
place.
So
that's
not
missed
that
happens
if
they
need
therapy.
That's
connected
substitute
services,
that's
connected,
make
sure
they're
medicaid
eligible
start
looking
for
jobs,
food
stamps
they
can
live
in
the
community
and
be
supported
the
focus
being
that
person
hopefully
doesn't
go
back
to
prison.
The
recidivism
rates
impacted
by
that
person.
Clearly,
that's
what
happens?
E
The
data
shows
again,
this
was
suspended
because
of
code,
where
the
person
can
no
longer
go
because
you
know
they're
not
a
facility,
so
it's
been
suspended
since
middle
march.
But
up
to
that
point,
green
river,
which
I
understand,
is
a
maximum
security
facility.
Those
folks
are
receptive
to
the
supports
they
had
49
appointments
upon
release
and
42
of
those
were
kept,
pretty
significant
thing,
they're
connected
to
the
community,
and
hopefully
that
stops
right.
Hopefully
that
works.
E
E
E
B
E
Serving
this
population
had
a
residential
option,
you
would
know
immediately
and
that
person
would
be
on
their
medication
right
away.
They
wouldn't
be
arrested,
they
wouldn't
interface
with
law
enforcement.
They
wouldn't
be
in
our
jails.
This
is
a
strategy
that
we
can
spend
30
cents
on
in
waiver
and
draw
down
federal
dollars
versus
a
dollar
in
jails
and
get
no
federal
participation
or
prison.
That's
a
way,
upriver
issue
that
we
can
impact
the
number
of
people
who
interact.
I've
talked
about
this
with
health
and
internal
health
and
welfare.
The
cabinet's
not
opposed
to
it.
E
E
E
What
they
want
to
do
but
add
some
structure
to
those
relationships
going
forward
to
impact
the
services
and
work
on
coming
out.
So
we
know
specifically
what
people
need
when
they
come
back.
They
don't
necessarily
have
those
skills
in
place
and
that,
hopefully
reduces
recidivism,
manages
the
census
get
people
into
treatment
as
opposed
to
incarceration
and
don't
end
up
being
there
quick
story
out
of
owensboro,
a
person
went
to
their
mental
health
court.
E
They
had
substance
abuse
as
well.
They
were
probably
self-medicating.
Okay,
they
went
through
they
graduated
recognized
as
examining
participant
as
the
outcome
of
services.
Better
service
delivery,
sooner
better
outcome.
They
are
now
been
sober
for
a
year.
They've
purchased
a
vehicle.
They
are
working
they're,
making
restitution
payments,
they're
recognized.
They
live
in
sober
housing.
It's
a
eight
person,
six
person
in
a
home
who
are
all
in
recovery.
As
a
leader,
this
person
went
for
someone
who
was
regularly
involved
with
law
enforcement,
a
local
jail
to
now,
making
restitution
and
not
being
involved.
E
D
Thank
you,
chairman
and
steve.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
You
obviously
know
that
central
westerfield
and
I
have
had
some
immersive
training
with
your
groups.
Yes
served
on
joe
dan's
board
for
eight
years
prior
and
during
my
time
here
in
the
legislature,
but
I've
got
a
few
questions
and
the
first
one's
going
to
be
multi-stage
and
a
little
broad,
the
next
couple
or
three
will
be
more
directed
last
fall
when
I
was
preparing
for
some
work
on
on
looking
at
jails
at
the
local
level.
D
D
D
D
E
I
think
from
a
broad
perspective:
yes,
I
think
specific
cases
it
becomes
more
difficult.
Talk
to
the
person,
see
what
works
but
yeah
there's
our
community-based
services.
I
think,
if
you
go
back
to
my
reference
to
a
wafer,
some
of
these
folks
could
get
a
residential
model
live
in
a
home
with
two
other
people
that
staffed
24
7.,
it's
less
expensive,
it's
supportive!
E
You
know
exactly
what
they're
doing
and
really,
if
you
have
that
model,
maybe
a
year
and
18
months
out,
they
move
into
their
own
apartment
because
they're
doing
better
right
and
get
those
supports.
I
think
there's
some
folks
who
will
need
more
long-term
supports.
Maybe
you
know
some
folks
need
to
spend
maybe
more
time
getting
that
intensive
support,
but
I
think
if
you
figure
out
a
way
because
what
happens
now,
there's
not
a
place
for
folks
to
go
and
live
and
get
the
24
7.
there's
personal
care
home.
They
do
a
great
job.
B
E
B
E
E
E
If
you
looked
at
pieces
of
legislation
that
related
this
field,
the
last
well
since
14,
when
they
showed
up
11
when
they
showed
up
there's
a
paragraph
added
that
the
same
standard
will
be
applied,
the
same
standard
of
care
as
applied
to
medical
necessary
will
be
provided
in
cases
involving
the
criminal
justice
system.
We
added
that
language
to
prevent
that.
We've
had
some
problem
with
that,
but
added
that
language.
I
think
that's
the
piece
is:
what
do
we
need
and
we
don't
have
that
residential
option
in
place
and
that's
really
the
ticket.
E
E
Population,
the
sel
waiver-
I
think
now
it's
about
three
thousand
people,
but
twenty
seven
hundred
waiting,
michelle
p
waver,
don't
have
a
residential
option.
Is
ten
thousand
five
hundred
people
right
now
right?
There's
a
lot
of
people
out.
There
is
really
mentally
ill.
You
can
define
the
category
of
who's
gonna
be
eligible.
Okay.
I
really
think
a
waiver
is
a
vehicle
because
again
it's
30
cents,
not
a
dollar.
D
D
D
They
need
to
be
assessed
by
community
mental
health
center
need
to
be
taken
on
to
the
maybe
the
the
institutional
facility,
whatever
the
situation
may
be
in
that
many
times,
those
communities
only
have
one
officer
on
the
streets
for
a
given
time
and
based
on
the
regional
nature
of
everything.
Sometimes
that's
a
real
challenge,
because
it
might
take
that
one
officer:
that's
patrolling
the
streets
out
of
that
community
for
three
or
four
hours
at
a
time
and
there's
no
coverage
there
at
that
point.
Unless
you
know
there's
a
call-in
situation
and
that's.
E
E
I
don't
know
if
you
know
kelly
gunning
she's
an
advocate
has
a
son
with
mental
illness,
faye
morton,
there's
tim's
law,
faith
morgan's
son
sam
was
taken
off
from
patrol
car
44
times
to
eastern
state
hospital
right.
They
will
tell
you:
why
are
we
using
a
patrol
car
to
transport
people
right?
Why
are
we
using
that?
If
you
get
put
in
the
back
of
a
cruiser
right
with
handcuffs?
E
Why
is
that
happening
to
someone
who's
mentally
ill?
So
I
agree
right.
That's
what
I
think
that
was
done
because
that
exists,
but
we've
had
the
same
story.
I've
heard
similar
stories
where
people
are
held
in
local
police
office.
You
know
for
six
hours
because
there's
no
one
available
to
transport.
How
do
you
make
that
happen?
I
think
we
got
to
figure
out
some
conversation.
This
is
a
conversation
for
the
department
of
behavioral
health
right.
E
What's
the
alternative
transportation
method?
What
else
can
we
do?
You
know
people
say
ambulances
right.
Ambulances
aren't
necessarily.
You
know
they're
not
anymore
available,
but
that's
the
place.
So
you
know
in
in
your
community
they
go
to
western
state
hospital.
They
got
to
get
assessed
by
someone
at
life
skills.
Then
they
go
on
and
you
know
they
get
to
western
state
hospital
and
they're
sitting
around
waiting.
There.
We've
heard
this
repeatedly.
I
understand
it,
why
is
it
law
enforcement
still
training.
E
F
E
D
D
E
A
B
E
I
don't
think
they're
on
a
shorter
track
as
a
medic.
Medicaid
pays
intensive
outpatient.
You
know
now
what
does
happen.
Some
of
those
services
are
prior
authorized
with
her
friends
at
the
mcos
and
they
could
say
no
more,
but
some
residential
programs
get
denied.
There's
the
american
society
of
addiction,
medicine,
it's
a
sam
and
they
actually
have
language
about
not
always
recommending
residential
some.
You
know
and
the
guy
that
wrote
that
really
was
addressed
in
some
court.
In
some
places
you
know
a
teenager
who
gets
possession
of
marijuana.
E
First
offense
was
getting
six
months
residential.
That's
not
necessarily
at
that
point
right
that
wasn't
that's
what
that
relates
to,
but
I
think
that's,
the
piece
residential
has
been
impacted,
so
the
people
need
residential
may
not
be
getting
it
intensive
outpatient.
Some
prior
offs
are
denied,
so
people
don't
get
as
long
as
we
can.
But
that's
a
function
of
the
managed
care
environment
is.
E
E
D
E
E
An
issue
and
there's
not
always
a
great
handoff
right,
the
green
river
that
person
that
that
that
case
manager-
if,
if
I'm
in
that
facility
over
that
step
in
that
part
of
the
state
and
I'm
going
back
to
maysville,
they
call
the
mental
health
center
in
maysville,
they
make
that
connection
for
the
person
there
needs
to
be
an
intentional
linkage
going
back,
and
I
think
that
has
addressed
some
of
those
things
and
we,
as
a
mental
health
center,
have
to
be
responsive.
To
that
intensive
linkage
I
mean
we
have
to
know.
E
We
have
to
dedicate
identity.
Who
is
the
staff
person
you're
going
to
contact
and
what's
going
to
take
place
when
code
would
happen?
A
lot
of
folks
got
released
from
from
facilities
because
of
covid,
and
we
provided
a
list
of
names.
There
was
no
mechanism,
there's
no
real
way,
but
that's
what
I
think
that
would
make
the
relationship
stronger
and
better
and
go
from
there.
So
there's
specific-
and
it
really
is
an
intentionality
you've-
got
to
make
sure
this
is
happening.
We
know,
what's
going
on,
we
struggle
with
this
from
psych
hospitals.
E
G
A
All
right
chairman's
prerogative,
you
you
ask
all
you
want
I'm
going
to
read
this
question.
I
got
by
text
and
I
don't
know
from
whom
this
question
came,
but
they
sent
this
I'm
going
to
read
the
verbatim.
Will
you
ask-
and
here
I
am
asking
if
the
program
such
as
heart
would
be
successful
if
it
was
expanded
to
drugs
besides
opioids,
is
there
a
reason
that
these
programs
are
opioid
specific?
There
are
changes
in
trends
constantly
and
a
rise
in
use
of
meth
and
various
other
drugs.
A
E
Yeah
and
and
that
program
started
because
northern
kentucky
senator
strickley
I
mean.
Obviously
you
were
there
right.
Opioids
was
a
huge
issue.
There
2-3
and
still
persists.
So
that
was
the
focus
of
the
issue
at
the
time
they
were
addressing
was
opioids
is
why
that
was
targeted
for
opioids,
but
yeah
intensive
outpatient
treatment
can
work
with
other
populations
other
drugs,
it's
just
so
it's
not
tied
back
at
the
time.
That
was
number
one
now
what's
happening.
I
hate
this
phrase.
Meth
is
making
a
comeback.
I
like
to
play
golf
tiger.
Woods
is
making
a
comeback.
E
A
A
A
Mentioned
it
to
joe
dan
and
eric
I've
shared
it
with
katie.
Before
I
don't
know,
if
I've
shared
it
with
chairman
meredith,
there's
a
group
that
I
was
asked
to
do
some
video
work
for
out
of
nashville
and
it's
the
it's
the
life
skills
of
the
pinroll
center
of
middle
tennessee,
the
mental
health
co-op
and
they've
got
or
just
opened
in
the
last
year,
or
so
they
were
constructing
it
at
the
time,
but
what
they
called
the
crisis
treatment
center
yep
and
it
serves
essentially
the
middle
third
of
tennessee.
A
A
So
we've
got
but
it
doesn't
solve
that
problem,
but
the
whole
thing
is
premised
on
and
they
work
with
law
enforcement
to
build
this,
this
mechanism
and
it's
staffed
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week,
365
days
a
year
and
it
it's
very
intentional
to
make
the
time
commitment
for
the
police
officer
to
do
that.
Warm
hand-off
for
someone
that
needs
care
to
be
10
minutes
or
less.
E
A
A
E
Seven
counties
started
the
living
room,
similar
model
24
7
drop
off.
There
was
not
sufficient
funding.
I
think
they've
had
to
scale
back
and
look
at
it,
but
they
do
the
same
deal
with
law
enforcement
drop
off,
see
someone
right
away.
There's
a
conversation
electioning
around
this
issue.
At
one
point
they
tried
at
eastern
state
hospital
had
a
similar,
not
quite
the
same
thing,
but
first
they
made
law
enforcement
available.
They
had
wi-fi
computers,
they
could
do
paperwork
while
or
waiting
things
like
that.
E
E
F
F
But
before
I
came
to
this
meeting
last
week,
I
went
and
visited
my
local
jail
and
sat
down
and
talked
to
my
jailer,
and
he
was
interested
in
this
task
force
and
a
guy
I've
known
for
a
long
long
time,
and
he
said
I
asked
him.
I
said
what
what's
your
biggest
challenge
in
the
jail
and
what
you're
talking
about
mental
health
was
the
first
thing
he
mentioned.
So
I
think
it's
appropriate,
mr
chairman,
that
you
have
this
first
on
the
agenda,
because
I
think
it's
a
huge
huge
issue.
F
You
know
there's
a
song
by
joan
baez
a
war
protester
food
singer
that
I
like
to
listen
to
and
she
sings
a
song
about.
Somebody
died
in
jail
over
a
fight
of
a
glass
of
milk,
and
I
think
that
is
so
symbolistic
of
mental
health
problems
in
jail,
because
that
glass
of
milk
isn't
about
milk
at
all.
It
represents
all
the
baggage
that
people
who
come
to
jail
bring
with
them.
So
I'm
happy
to
hear.
F
I
guess
I
want
to
say
one
of
the
things
I
look
forward
to
most
about
this
task
force
is
improving,
hopefully,
improving
the
relationships
and
the
interaction
between
our
local
mental
health
facilities
and
our
jails,
because,
let's
face
it,
we
have
both
of
them.
We
have
good
personnel
in
both
of
them,
but
sometimes,
as
you
say,
the
handoff
isn't
what
it
should
be
and
also
the
services
in
this
jail.
So
I
look
forward
to
working
on
that.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
F
F
It's
been
a
long
time
since
I
dealt
with
those
but
he's
exactly
right
on
that
and
what
happens
when
when
that
you
know
people
always-
and
we
don't
hear
about
this.
But
what
happens
in
these
small
towns
in
rural
areas
is
people
when
when
when
this
happens,
then
they
look
for
an
alternative
and
you
never
hear
about
the
alternative,
but
many
times
the
alternative
is
drop.
F
The
person
off
at
a
bus
stop
drive
them
to
the
next
counting
all
these
horrible
alternatives
that,
from
a
practical
sense,
sometimes
happen
because
people
can't
be
tied
up
all
day.
I'm
with
these
so
I'm
occur.
So
I
do
think
with
chair
chairman
mary
to
talk
about.
We
do.
This
is
something
we
need
to
look
at
because
many
times
these
are
the
worst
cases
and
and
and-
and
I
think
because
of
that
we
have
good
intentions,
but
because
it's
so
cumbersome.
F
A
I
want
to
in
reference
to
what
senator
sugel
just
mentioned.
I
got
a
text
here
from
eric
emery,
who
mentioned
one
of
the
issues
that
they
run
into.
Is
it's
on
referrals?
So,
when
the
when
the
region,
the
individual
transitioning
to
doesn't,
have
a
needed
service
that
becomes
a
problem,
the
medicaid
assisted
treatment
is
one
of
those
that
you
have
run
into
that
issue
with
so
another
area
where
we
need
to
to
address
and
make
sure
that
that
handoff
is
as
warm
as
can
be
as
possible.
B
D
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
steve.
This
is
a
great
start
and
you've
brought
up
a
plethora
of
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
talked
about
the
courts,
specific
courts
to
address
specific
things
I
was
in
lexington
and
they
had
a
child
support
court
that
helped
keep
people
out
of
prison
and
out
of
jails.
D
You
brought
up
the
intervention
and
I
know
in
the
outlying
areas
like
chairman
meredith
was
talking
about.
It
is
a
problem.
We
had
discussed
one
time
about
the
police
officer,
dropping
them
at
the
jails
and
letting
the
jailer
wait
before
they
book
them.
For
someone
to
come
and
and
do
the
intervention,
but
you
run
into
legal
problems
with
that,
because
officer
needs
to
book
them
when
it
goes
to
jail.
So,
but
those
are
things
that
do
need
to
be
discussed
and
worked
on.
D
D
Another
thing
we
worked
on
a
lot
with
when
I
was
in
camden
was
a
wrap
around
services,
specifically
jobs,
yeah,
because
that
will
stop
the
recidivism
and
that
so
I
don't
really
have
any
particular
question
for
you
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
the
chairman
for
a
good
start
with
there's.
So
many
things
and
a
lot
of
times.
It
boils
down
to
money
and
location,
because
what
you
can
do
in
lexington
and
louisville
and
northern
kentucky
it's
hard
to
do
out
in
the
state.
E
Yeah,
but
we
still
need
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
happen.
You
shield
the
accidental
services
and
that's
that's.
Why
we're
here
to
try
yeah?
I
agree,
and
I
think
one
thing
that
I
think
would
be
interesting
to
talk
about
is
recovery.
There's
people
who
are
now
sober
and
they're
in
recovery.
Their
life
is
really
hard.
You
think
their
life
is
good,
their
finances
are
probably
ruined.
They
bounce
checks
all
over
the
place.
They
have
a
long
history
of
you
know,
do
a
background
check.
You
know
safe
place
on
them.
It's
volumes
long.
B
D
C
Thank
you
for
your
for
being
here
today.
I
was,
I
really
appreciate,
being
on
this
being
appointed
to
this
task
force,
because
some
of
you
may
know
that
in
my
district
we
have
just
hired
a
warden
and
we
are
starting
the
hiring
and
training
process
for
the
southeast
state
correctional
facility,
so
hopefully
in
the
fall,
we'll
see
those
wills
turning
toward
the
fall.
C
Of
course,
I'd
like
to
know
what
is
available
for
the
for
a
person
who
is
incarcerated,
what
is
a
day
in
the
life
of
the
treatment
that's
available
to
them,
while
they're
incarcerated,
because
you
know,
if
there's
some
sort
of
hurdle
that
that
we
can,
maybe
you
know,
knock
down
in
order
to
make
sure
that
these
folks
get
the
treatment
they
they
they
need,
while
they're
incarcerated,
so
whether
it
be
to
to
put
them
on
the
path
to
recovery
or
whether
it
be
to
integrate
them
into
our
workforce.
Once
they
leave
incarceration.
E
I
think
corrections
be
better
prepared
to
answer
that
than
I
am
okay,
but
they
do
have
within
corrections
a
division
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse.
Okay.
So
they
have
a
cadre
of
licensed
clinical
professionals
that
work
at
their
facilities.
So
they
have
that
and
maybe
that's
a
better
question
for
them.
You
know
but
they're
doing
that
they're
they're,
probably
doing
group
therapy
doing
iop.
I
know
they're
doing
a
vivitrol.
E
E
E
E
And-
and
you
know,
figure
out
how
to
make
those
things
so
they're
getting
group
therapy
or
they're
getting
ilp,
or
this
is
where
they're
at
this
is
the
drug
of
choice
before
they
went
in.
We
know
that
information,
the
more
we
know
upon,
leaving
the
better
the
system
of
care
can
meet
that
person's
needs.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
piece
that
would
be.
A
A
We're
very
familiar
with
the
services
they
provide,
but
this
is
clearly
an
area
where
there
needs
to
be
more
cooperation.
You
and
I
had
a
conversation
last
october
november
about
something
that
chairman
petrie
and
I
were
discussing
working
on
and
the
capacities
there
to
take
advantage
of,
and
there's
certainly
a
population
of
people
that
need
that
care
there
needs
to
be.
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
make
to
meet
yeah.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
for
starting
us
off.
Well
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
all.
Yes,
sir,
can
I
go
home?
G
Yeah,
I'm
ready
first
off
I'd
like
to
say
in
regards
to
the
last
topic
that
things
have
come
a
long
ways
in
the
19
years
that
I've
been
involved
in
corrections
on
the
mental
health
side,
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction.
Although
I
agree,
we
have
lots
of
topics
to
continue
to
work
on
I'm
jason
woods
of
the
grayson
county
jailer.
I'm
here
today
to
talk
about
the
inmate
phone
system.
G
So
in
that
19
years,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
change
in
the
jail
system
entirely.
But
specifically,
today
we're
talking
about
the
phone
systems
we
started
out
when
I
came
with
an
analog
system
that
we
used
three
millimeter
cassette
tapes
to
record
the
phone
conversations
and
we
had
about
a
30-day
supply
of
recordings
and
today
we're
all
digital
and
cloud
storage,
and
we
can
get
as
long
as
six
to
seven
to
eight
years
of
storage
in
sometimes
in
some
cases.
G
The
way
the
system
works
is
when
someone
is
booked
into
our
facility,
particularly
they're,
assigned
an
account
number
and
once
they
get
into
a
population
where
the
phones
are
located
in
each
dorm,
the
first
phone
call
they
make
it's
an
identity
process
where
they
have
to
state
their
name.
It
records
their
voice.
G
As
you
all
know,
nobody
likes
to
admit
it,
but
we
have
bad
deputies
from
time
to
time
and
those
phones
are
very
good
tool,
especially
in
those
circumstances
that
we
can
weed
out
bad
employees
on
the
good
side.
It's
a
point
of
contact
for
the
inmates
to
have
basically
constant
contact
with
their
families.
G
Our
facility
does
turn
the
phones
off
at
about
11
o'clock
and
they
don't
get
turned
back
on
after
the
last
leaves
the
facility
in
the
mornings
which
right
now,
with
probably
going
on
they're
on
pretty
much
24
7,
because
we're
not
doing
much
transporting
at
all,
so
they
can
also
be
used
as
a
disciplinary
tool.
If
you
have.
G
G
G
You
basically
have
to
assign
a
deputy
on
those
visiting
days
or
video
visitation
days
to
monitor
that
system
constantly,
which
is
an
expense
to
the
jails.
Also,
a
positive
on
both
ends
the
video
visitation
bonds
themselves
and
spread
some
revenue
for
you,
which
most
jails
in
the
state
can
definitely
use
that
revenue.
G
A
G
G
That
part
of
it
is
negotiable.
It's
in
the
neighborhood
of
50
to
60
percent.
For
us.
It's,
I
think
it's
60
for
us
without
pulling
the
contract
out
and
reading
it,
so
the
numbers
fluctuate
it's
hard
to
use
our
facility
as
a
comparison
point
because
of
our
federal
population.
Most
of
our
federal
inmates
have
cash
on
hand
or
money
on
hand.
G
A
G
A
I'm
trying
to
get
an
idea
of
what
it
costs
for
the
inmates,
because
I'll
tell
you
that
the
opposite
is
true.
Based
on
feedback.
I've
heard
from
constituents
who've
not
been
able
to
take
advantage
of
phone
calls
because
it's
prohibitive
the
cost
is
prohibitive.
They
can't
afford
to
make
calls
or
their
you
know,
their
loved
ones
put
money
on
on
their
account
to
use
and
they're
able
to
make
calls.
But
it
only
goes
so
far
and
20.
A
It's
like
it's
like
we're
in
1989
again
and
it's
you
got
to
have
a
calling
card
and
it
costs
a
fortune
to
call
your
mother
when,
as
you
mentioned,
she's
local
and
yeah,
I
don't
understand
what
the
what
I
want
to
know.
Jason
is
what
the
heck
are
we
paying
for?
What
are
those
inmates
paying,
for?
I
mean
they're,
they're
storage
of
those
conversations,
and
you
you
mentioned
that
there
are
seven
or
eight
years
of
worth
of
stores,
six
to
eight
years
worth
of
storage,
back
that
you
might
need.
A
G
G
G
Yeah,
so
what
has
come
into
play
in
the
last
couple
of
years
is
with
systems
improving.
Is
the
phone
companies
have
put
in
place
that
family
members
can
load
phone
time
only
so
that
the
inmate
has
no
choice
in
using
it
for
anything
except
phone
time
so,
and
that
with
that
said,
most
of
you
guys
know
that
we
we
charge
housing
any
jail
in
the
state
through
their
county
inmates.
So
most
of
them
are
about
ten
dollars
a
day.
G
A
G
Yeah,
I
don't
have
the
number
that
is
used
for
other
things,
but
I
do
have.
I
did
run
yesterday
in
preparing
for
this.
The
number
that
was
loaded
for
just
phone
time
that
is
currently
setting
basically
on
hold
until
it's
used
at
this
facility,
is
thousand
six
hundred
and
eighty
seven
dollars
and
two
cents,
but
again
it's
hard
to
compare
us
to
anyone
else
because
of
our
federal
population.
One
of
our
inmates
has
fifteen
thousand
plus
in
this
inmate
account.
A
A
F
A
Think
I
can
restrict
that
phone
to
you
to
call
only
certain
numbers.
Is
that
sort
of
feature
available
on
these
systems
so
that
the
people
that
have
asked
for
or
have
gotten
money?
You
know
they
call
their
attorney.
They
can
call
their
family,
they
can
call
their
doctor,
they
call
whomever
but
can't
call
a
bunch
of
other
stuff.
Those.
G
G
Yeah
yeah,
and
that
happens
we
have
you,
don't
really
see
it
on
the
money
side.
As
far
as
mom
doesn't
want
son
to
spend
all
of
his
money
on
junk
food,
but
where
we
do
see
that
happen,
a
lot
is
joe
blow
comes
to
jail
and
he's
got
a
epo
against
his
girlfriend
or
ex-wife
or
whatever,
and
that
person
will
call
in
and
say
block
my
number,
please
I
don't
want
them
calling
me
or
a.
G
That
was
a
hot
topic
this
past
year
and
maybe
a
little
bit
the
year
before
the
dpa's
office
has
given
a
list
of
numbers
to,
I
think,
all
the
vendors
to
put
in
the
system.
I
know
the
vendor
that
we
use,
I
actually
put
those
numbers
in.
We
did
it
to
ourselves,
so
there
was
over
a
thousand
numbers
and
the
vendor
also
made
them
free
of
charge.
So.
A
A
F
F
Oh
okay,
well,
yeah,
well,
boy
with
the
influence
you
had,
I
thought
you
were
one
of
the,
but
thank
you
for
everything.
You've
done
because
you,
you
know
the
grayson
county
jail
is
just
one
example
and
there's
probably
a
dozen
other
examples
of
jails
across
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
where
great
things
are
happening,
they're
financially
self-sufficient.
F
We
have
very
professional,
a
lot
of
professionalism
and
we
read
so
much
negative
about
jails,
and
you
know
I
love
to
tell
the
story,
because
so
many
people
aren't
aware
kentucky
is
the
only
place
in
the
world,
and
this
might
be
good.
It
might
be
bad
depending
on
your
perspective
war.
We
elect
jailers,
there's
no
place
else
in
the
world.
That
does
that.
F
So
we
we
definitely
have
a
very
unique,
a
unique
system,
but
there's
just
kind
of
two
things
I
want
to
say
because
I
think
it
covers
all
the
conversation
that
you
and
chairman
westerfield
has
had
is
is
number
one
news.
Flash
inmates
will
lie
and
exaggerate
about
what
happens
as
far
as
their
restrictions
and
how
much
phone
services
cost,
but
also
news.
F
F
Does
that
fall
under
the
realm
of
of
this
topic
today?
Okay,
absolutely!
Okay!
Well,
thank
you
because
you
said
something
jason
I
want.
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
aware
of,
and
that
is
that
the
trend
of
going
strictly
to
video
visitation-
and
I
have
a
disagreement
with
my
local
jailer
over
this,
because
I,
like
you,
think
that
we
should
the
rehabilitative
value
of
someone
being
able
to
go
and
see
their
family
physically
is
invaluable,
and
I
think
we
need
to
protect
that.
F
It's
all
and-
and
I
see
that
being
eroded,
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
have
visit
video
visitation,
but
if
a
family's
local
and
can
come
visit,
I
think
we
need
to
protect
that,
and-
and
I
know
that
there's
you
know
it's
there's
a
convenience
factor
for
jailers.
There's
a
you
know:
you're,
you
have
to
move
prisoners
all
these
things
that
you
have
to
do,
but
we
talk
about
rehabilitation.
F
We
talk
about
reform
and
but
then,
on
the
other
hand,
we're
going
to
create
a
world
where
a
husband
can't
go
see
a
wife
or
a
wife
can't
go
see
a
husband
and
visit
in
a
local
community.
I
I
think
we
really
need
to
protect
that.
So
I
was
glad
to
say
that
that
you
agree
with
that,
because
I
know
there's
many
people
that
don't
and
there's
tremendous
financial
pressure
to
go
the
other
way.
With
that
what
say
you.
C
G
G
And
you
know
I'll
give
you
two
real
quick
stories
that
we
dealt
with
here
one
recently,
this
last
fall.
We
had
a
lady
from
louisville
bring
down
enough
fentanyl,
unknowingly,
she
didn't
know
what
it
was
and
dropped
it
off
in
our
lobby.
That
would
kill
about
20
inmates
and
we
caught
that
and
we
prosecuted
that
girl
in
federal
court
and
she's
now
a
federal
inmate
in
my
female
facility.
G
A
G
A
son
about
probably
three
years
old
or
maybe
four
walking
next
to
her,
she
was
the
girlfriend
of
the
inmate
when
she
walks
in
the
door.
She
sees
the
inmate
in
the
visiting
booth
with
another
girlfriend,
so
she
turns
and
hands
the
baby
off
to
a
friend
that
came
down
with
her
to
see
somebody
else
and
takes
off
running
into
the
visiting
booth
grabs.
G
A
B
G
Have
problems
on
the
on
the
inmate
side?
You
might
have
someone
that's
on
the
same
case
and
we're
not
aware
of
it
and
they
get
into
it
or
they
just
don't
like
each
other
and
they
get
into
it
or
someone
sells
a
girlfriend
is
visiting
another
inmate
and
he
doesn't
know
until
he
shows
up
to
the
booth
to
see
his
mom
and
they
get
into
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
things
to
go
downhill
fast
in
those
settings.
A
So
I
I
appreciate
you
coming
on
that.
I've
gotten
a
slew
of
text,
messages
with
follow-up
comments
and
questions,
some
of
which
are
we
can't
get
into
any
more
of
those,
because
we
need
to
move
on
and
representative
has
a
question.
So
I'm
going
to
let
her
ask
and
then
we're
going
to
go
on
to
the
next
subject
representative:
go
ahead.
C
Well,
actually,
some
of
what
I
was
going
to
ask
was
also
addressed
by
the
senator.
So
thank
you.
That's
okay,
but
I
I
have
spoken
with
one
of
the
jailers
in
my
district
who
is
using
this.
I'm
not
sure
that
they've
actually
implemented
it
just
yet,
but
they
were
going
to
move
toward
video
visitation
as
a
tool
for
people
such
as
in
my
area
in
eastern
kentucky,
who
may
not
have
the
money
to
come
visit
inmates
that
they
can
use
this
as
a
tool?
Are
you
all?
G
No,
it's
totally
the
option
of
the
jailers,
and
I
I
just
have
not
went
down
that
road.
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of,
like
I
said
before,
separating
the
family
connection,
I
think
that's
a
big
part
of
the
rehabilitation
side,
we're
real
big
on
programs
here
in
this
jail,
and
I
think
that's
just
a
great
tool
that
we
need
to
keep
now
on
the
other
side
of
it.
We
do
have
inmates
that
are
three
to
four
hours
from
home
and
family
members.
G
That's
what
I
would
recommend
if
you're
going
to
go
to
the
video
visitation,
then
I
would
keep
the
option
for
either
or
but
then
some
jails
just
can't
do
that
they
don't
have
the
facility
to
to
make
both
of
those
happen
at
the
same
time.
So
it's
really
it's
really
down
to
which
facility
can
can
make
it
happen.
G
A
Jason,
I
appreciate
it
some
of
the
questions
senator
webb
and
I
were
thinking
along
the
same
lines
and
I
I've
already
texted
with
with
the
association
to
make
sure-
and
I
want
to
thank
them-
they
actually
reached
out
and
offered
said,
send
any
questions.
You
have
we'll
get
an
answer
to
you
back
to
the
to
the
task
force.
A
So
I
appreciate
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about-
and
this
will
be
one
of
the
questions,
but
I'm
curious
to
see
what
the
cost
is
per
inmate,
the
average
cost
per
inmate
or
how
much
money
is
spent
per
inmate
to
make
those
phone
calls.
How
many
jails
are
using
that
sort
of
system?
How
many
jails
have
a
video
system
if
they
are
using
one
and
what
that
cost
is,
and
I
might
drag
the
vendors
in
here
and
ask
some
similar
questions
at
them.
A
A
F
G
A
There's
a
bunch
of
those
that
can't
afford
to
drop
15
000
in
their
family
members
expense
account
there
to
jail
and
they
go
without
contact
with
the
outside
world
and
they're,
not
particularly
violent
people
they're
people
who
suffer
because
they
don't
have
that
contact
because,
as
you
mentioned,
that
rehabilitative
aspect
of
contact
doesn't
get
to
happen
for
them
and
it's
cost
prohibitive.
So
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Jason
we're
gonna
move
on
to
jail
rating
systems,
amanda
essex.
You
have
been
very
patient
waiting
throughout
the
task
force
meeting
so
far.
H
H
H
I'd
like
to
begin
with
a
really
quick
overview
of
the
distinctions
between
prisons
and
jails.
We
find
often
laying
that
framework
really
for
the
conversations
in
most
states.
Prisons
are
under
the
purview
of
the
state,
russians,
department
and
jails
are
run
by
local
sheriffs
or
local
law
enforcement.
H
For
the
most
part,
jails
are
smaller
facilities
than
prisons,
and
they
help
people
who
have
been
convicted
of
lower
level
crimes
or
who
are
pre-trial
detainees
in
most
states.
Individuals,
convicted
of
a
misdemeanor
will
be
incarcerated
in
a
local
jail,
and
these
are
offenses
typically
carry
under
one
year
of
incarceration.
H
If
someone
is
sentenced
for
more
than
a
year,
they'll
typically
serve
that
time
in
prison
in
iowa
and
vermont.
However,
some
misdemeanors
can
result
in
up
to
two
years
of
incarceration
in
a
jail,
and
then
a
few
states
have
longer
sentences
for
misdemeanors
that
can
be
served
in
prison
rather
than
jail.
H
For
the
most
part,
individuals
convicted
of
a
felony
offense
or
sentenced
to
more
than
one
year
of
incarceration
will
serve
that
time
in
prison.
Another
distinction
between
jails
and
prisons
is
that,
in
almost
every
instance,
anyone
incarcerated
in
prison
has
been
convicted
of
a
crime,
whereas
many
people
held
in
jail
or
their
pre-trial
waiting
to
be
adjudicated.
H
In
recent
years,
we've
really
seen
some
increased
national
attention
when
it
comes
to
jails.
A
lot
of
this
focus
has
followed
efforts
such
as
the
macarthur
foundation,
safety
and
justice
challenge,
which
is
focused
on
rethinking
the
use
of
jails
and
reducing
the
misuse
and
overuse
of
jails
and
the
future
of
trust.
H
In
the
last
couple
of
years,
one
significant
area
of
focus
has
been
conditions
of
confinement
in
jails
and
kentucky
is
actually
one
of
the
first
states
to
improve
conditions
for
women
in
jails,
and
a
number
of
states
have
followed
suit.
Since
your
state
passed
legislation
co-sponsored
by
chairman
westerfield
in
2018.
H
Though
most
jails
around
the
country
are
run
by
local
law
enforcement,
many
of
those
jails
house,
individuals
who
would
otherwise
be
incarcerated
by
the
state.
I'd
like
to
quickly
apologize
for
my
slightly
outdated
map
here,
as
you
can
imagine,
working
from
home,
I
haven't
been
able
to
get
to
our
map
making
software.
H
But
if
you
imagine
this
updated
or
the
bureau
of
justice
bureau
of
justice
statistics
prisoners
in
2018
report,
the
only
difference
is,
you
would
see.
Michigan
and
north
dakota
would
be
red
indicating
that
there
are
no
state
inmates
in
local
jails
and
in
2018
there
are
30
states
with
prison
inmates
in
their
local
jails.
H
H
H
They
may
have
a
separate
rate
on
top
of
the
per
diem
or
the
cost
can
be
directly
billed
to
the
state
contracts
between
corrections,
department
and
counties
fill
in
the
details,
and
while
these
rates
are
as
of
publication
in
2010,
many
of
them
are
set
in
statute,
and
so
they
don't
change.
Very
often,
utah
is
one
state
that
modified
the
reimbursement
rate
for
jails.
In
recent
years,
the
state
passed
legislation
in
2016
that
increased
the
reimbursement
rate
for
jails
that
provide
services,
treatment,
services
specifically
to
inmates.
H
That
change
was
not
put
in
place,
but
in
legislation
the
following
year,
the
state
that,
in
order
to
set
the
reimbursement
rate,
cities
and
counties
have
to
report
to
the
joint
committee
on
the
average
cost
confining
individuals
in
local
jails.
This
includes
us
related
to
food,
clothing
and
laundry,
medical,
behavioral,
health
care,
personnel,
inmate
vocational
training
and
education.
H
H
Minimum
security
jails
are
similar
to
these,
but
the
only
people
in
the
facility
are
sent
they're
trafficking,
misdemeanors
low-level
founders,
and
they
must
be
minimum
risk.
Offenders.
12-Day
and
12-hour
jails
are
exactly
what
they
sound
like
in
sales.
The
maximum
incarceration
is
12
consecutiveness.
H
12-Hour
jails
only
allow
incarceration
for
12
hours
and
they're,
primarily
just
for
booking
and
processing.
New
arrests
and
the
final
category
here
is
the
temporary
holding
facility,
which
can
only
hold
individuals
for
up
to
six
hours.
These
aren't
regulated
in
the
same
way
as
other
jails,
but
are
still
established
by
the
bureau
of
adult
detention,
and
this
classification
system
in
ohio
appears
to
be
the
most
comparable
to
the
system
in
kentucky.
H
H
H
H
H
Illinois
sets
standards
for
county
and
municipal
jails,
with
more
standards
related
to
county
jails,
as
opposed
to
municipal
and
municipal
jails,
are
only
for
temporary
detention
up
to
48
hours
in
most
instances,
whereas
county
jails
hold
individuals
serving
terms
of
imprisonment
and
pre-trial
in
arkansas
jails
are
delineated
based
on
the
form
of
government.
That
runs
the
jails,
so
they
have
city,
county
municipality
and
public
instrumentality
jails.
H
In
my
research
it
seemed
that
this
is
most
often
the
distinction
that
is
used
when
laying
out
jail.
Classifications
and
texas
is
unique
in
that
it
has
both
state
and
local
jails.
The
misdemeanor
offenses
results
in
a
sentence
of
up
to
one
year
in
a
local
jail.
However,
the
state
has
a
classification
of
offenses
known
as
a
state
jail
felony.
This
is
the
lowest
level
of
felony
in
the
state
and
it
results
in
incarceration
in
a
state
jail
for
up
to
two
years,
unlike
jails
in
other
states.
H
H
You
can
see
on
this
slide.
Facilities
are
evaluated
based
on
five
categories.
The
first
category
of
safety
and
security
includes
use
of
force,
control
of
illegal
substances
and
security
management,
among
other
factors
within
the
second
category
of
health
and
well-being,
is
unit
conditions
and
services
provided
to
incarcerated
individuals.
H
The
third
category
for
fair
treatment
includes
staff
and
inmate
interactions.
Inmate
grievance
and
inmate
discipline,
rehabilitation
and
re-entry
is
the
fourth
category,
and
this
includes
planning
for
re-entry
as
well
as
programming
available
for
incarcerated
individuals
and
the
final
category
is
fiscal
accountability.
H
On
the
slide,
you
can
actually
see
the
rating
scales
used
in
the
evaluations,
as
well
as
the
ratings
for
two
facilities.
From
the
most
recent
evaluation
you
can
see,
facilities
are
graded
within
each
category
as
either
exceptional
good,
acceptable
or
in
need
of
improvement,
and
the
full
report
includes
ratings
for
28
prison
facilities
in
the
state.
H
Another
approach
to
state
oversight
of
jails
has
come
in
the
form
of
oversight
bodies
established
in
statute
in
connecticut,
there's
the
criminal
justice
policy
advisory
commission,
which
develops
and
recommends
policies
to
prevent
prison
and
jail
overcrowding
and
gathers
data
regarding
the
impacts
of
efforts
to
prevent
the
tennessee
corrections.
Institute,
establishes
minimum
standards
for
jails,
establishes
guidelines
for
security
at
those
facilities
and
inspects
them.
H
H
There
are
seven
states
with
what's
known
as
a
unified
corrections
system
in
these
states,
which
are
alaska,
connecticut
delaware,
hawaii,
rhode,
island,
vermont
and
west
virginia.
The
corrections
department
is
not
only
responsible
for
prisons,
but
also
for
jails.
West
virginia
actually
only
recently
changed
to
a
unified
system
in
2018.
H
A
Thank
you
amanda.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
You
answered
one,
the
score
there
in.
I
had
a
presentation
in
front
of
me,
but
the
scoring
was
wondering
if
it
was
numeric
or
but
I
see
that
it
was
good,
better
best
or
needs
improvement.
What
have
you
are
there?
Penalties
or
incentives
for
facilities
that
excel
or
fail
to
excel
under
the
standards
in
that
state
or
any
other
state.
D
H
That
is
correct,
yes,
happy
to
provide
a
little
more
distinction
there.
Mr
chairman,
the
state
jails
are
similar
to
the
county
jails,
except
they
are
run
by
the
state.
I
think
in
general,
there
are
smaller
facilities,
but
they
fall
under
the
corrections
department,
along
with
prisons
and
those
are
for
a
very
narrow
category
of
offenses,
whereas
the
county
jails
are
more
comparable
to
jails
around
the
country.
H
A
A
H
A
All
right
any
other
questions,
members,
I
don't
see
any
in
the
chat,
then
you
get
a
text
message
from
anybody
hold
on
nope.
Just
a
judge.
Texted
me
all
right
see
no
further
questions
amanda.
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
being
patient
waiting
until
I
can
call
on
you-
and
I
hope
the
weather
weather's
good
in
colorado
and
you
and
your
family
and
your
fellow
ncsl
colleagues
and
friends
of
mine
are
all
doing
well
and
healthy
over
there.
H
A
B
I
feel
like
I'm
screaming,
so
I
apologize
for
that,
but
thank
you
for
having
me
chairman,
westerfeld
and
chairman
meredith.
My
name
is
lisa
lamb
and
I
am
the
deputy
commissioner
of
community
services
and
local
facilities.
I
still
kind
of
struggle
saying
that,
because
it's
brand
new
I've
been
in
a
role
about
six
weeks.
So
if
there's
something
I
don't
know,
please
rest
assured.
I
will
get
that
information
for
you.
So
you
asked
us
to
talk
to
you
today
about
how
the
department
of
corrections
uses
halfway
houses
and
the
private
prisons.
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B
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B
B
Some
of
the
programs
that
they
offer
include
moral
recognition,
therapy,
new
directions
and
24
7
dads
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
budget,
we
paid
re-entry
service
centers,
19.5
million
and
fy
20..
There
are
currently
22
re-entry
service
centers
located
across
the
state.
This
includes
seven
in
fayette,
county
and
11
in
jefferson,
county
and
here's
a
map
showing
you
where
those
are
located.
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B
B
We
also
use
them
as
traditional
how
transitional
housing
for
pro
leaks?
This
could
be
very
short
term,
could
be
a
matter
of
days
for
an
immediate
release
or
a
period
of
months,
while
the
individual
obtains
a
more
permanent
home
placement.
We
also
use
these
centers
for
treatment.
We
offer
substance,
abuse,
programming
and
12
of
the
re-entry
service.
B
Centers
inmates
who
are
placed
at
them
for
treatment
are
clinically
assessed
for
appropriate
level
of
care,
and
they
can
also
be
placed
into
treatment
from
either
the
pro
board
court
or
by
social
service
clinicians,
who
work
hand
in
hand
with
their
probation
of
parole
officers.
These
clinicians
also
refer
those
that
are
on
hiv
or
home
incarceration.
B
B
We
have
a
population
management
division
that
reviews
the
list
of
community
custody
inmates
on
a
weekly
basis
and
just
for
an
example
of
this.
When
I
put
together
this
presentation,
there
were
only
48
inmates
who
qualified
for
housing
in
a
re-entry
service
center
based
on
the
statutory
criteria
this
week,
that's
more
like
55.,
so
you
asked
me
to
give
you
an
update
on
where
we
are
right
now
with
coping
19
in
our
facilities.
B
We've
worked
diligently
doesn't
even
really
is
a
solid
word
I
could
think
of,
but
it
has
been
our
primary
focus
to
try
and
protect
our
incarcerated
population
and
our
staff.
We
put
together
some
steps
at
the
very
beginning,
even
before
the
first
case
in
kentucky
and
several
of
these
proactive
staffs
were
still
doing.
B
B
We
initiated
enhanced
sanitization
efforts
using
gerbicide
and
a
bleach
solution,
and
we
also
did
something
that
I
never
heard
of
before
we
put
in
foot
sanitation
trays
throughout
our
prison.
These
are
literally
something
that
the
staff
step
into
as
they
walk
into
the
facility
and
then
also
each
door.
We
stopped
all
inmate
transfers
department-wide.
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B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
So
the
second
question
was:
are
proley
home
placements
being
investigated
only
by
phone,
no
on-site
visits
so
due
to
offended
to
officer
and
probation
pro
officer
safety
during
this
pandemic
we
have
modified
a
normal
procedure
and
normally
that
would
entail
an
in-home
visit
by
pnp
officer.
So
currently
it's
a
combination.
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B
So,
first
of
all,
let
me
say,
the
department
of
corrections
absolutely
understands
the
financial
burden
that
this
pandemic
has
caused
on
the
owners
of
the
re-entry
service
centers.
They
are
businesses,
and
I
know
that
they're
negatively
impact,
just
like
other
businesses
in
this
state.
We
can't
find,
though,
where
we
ever
did
a
directive
to
stop
early
from
going
out
and
working
what
we
saw
instead
were
halfway
re-entry
service.
B
Centers
excuse
me
directors
telling
us
that
they
weren't
going
to
allow
that
for
the
safety
of
the
rest
of
the
clients
in
their
facilities,
so
they
they
communicated
to
us
that
they
were
stopping
this
practice,
and
they
also
were
aware
of
the
fact
that
many
of
the
places
of
employment
that
parolees
typically
worked
were
closed
at
the
outset
of
the
pandemic.
They're
sharing
with
us
now
that
in
most
cases
the
parolees
are
going
back
out
to
work,
you
ask
what
directives
and
information
had
been
given
to
the
re-entry
service
center.
B
Since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
we
have
an
individual
who,
whose
primary
job
is
to
work
with
the
directors
of
these
facilities
and
he
communicates
with
them
sometimes
daily,
but
on
a
regular
basis.
So
we
asked
them
for
their
pandemic
action
plan
initially,
so
we
could
work
with
the
facilities
to
ensure
that
they
were
safe
and
that
they
were
implementing
some
of
the
same
things
that
we
were
doing
in
our
institutions
and
then
the
last
question
that
you
provided
to
us
chairman
westerfield
was.
B
Is
it
true
that
state
inmates
are
being
held
from
re-entry
service
centers
in
order
to
transfer
to
the
new
southeast
correctional
complex?
This
is
absolutely
not
true,
because
that
is
going
to
be
a
prison
for
medium
custody.
Male
inmates,
I'll
be
glad
to
do
my
best
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
have.
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B
I
will
check
on
that,
sir,
and
see
if
that
has
been
something
that
we
felt
like
they
didn't
have
the
treatment
faith
for,
or
I
know
that
when
we
changed
the
contract
last
year
and
asked
them
to
provide
regency
programming
that
that
if
they
had
a
treatment
program
for
substance,
abuse
that
counted
as
one
of
their
as
one
of
their
reentry
programs.
But
I
will
check
on
that,
for
you.
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B
D
B
Senator
carroll,
we
absolutely
do
understand
that,
and
you
are
correct
that
it
is
affecting
all
of
these
facilities.
It's
affecting
really
everywhere
in
the
state.
This
pandemic
has
caused
us
to
take
actions
that
again,
we
don't
like,
in
the
terms
of
the
the
burden
that
is
created
for
facilities,
but
we
did
make
those
difficult
choices
to
try
and
protect
our
incarcerated
population
and
the
staff
at
these
facilities.
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B
Yes,
it
was
the
last
time
I
checked
and
it
does
change,
because
one
of
the
requirements
was
that
the
individual
needed
to
have
a
verified
home
placement.
So
at
the
initial
outset,
when
the
computations
were
put
into
effect,
some
did
not,
but
that
had
fluctuated
and
some
were
able
to
provide
that.
But
the
last
time
I
checked
there
were
a
little
over
1100
that
were
released.
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A
Thank
you
senator.
I
appreciate
it
lisa.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
I
appreciate
you
answering
those
questions
and,
in
light
of
the
subject
matter
of
this
task
force,
we're
likely
to
have
doc
come
back
a
time
or
two,
so
I
appreciate
it.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
presenters
today
for
making
time
we've
gone
a
little
over
our
time,
but
that's
okay.
I
guess
this
is
important
work.
I
want
to
do
a
reminder,
make
a
reminder
here
here
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
so
I
hope
anybody
hasn't
jumped
off
the
call.
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B
A
There
she
is
she's
home
office.
Secretary,
noble
was
in
the
group,
any
anybody
else,
and
I
don't
have
the
blue
jeans
app
right
pulled
up
in
front
of
me
at
this
moment.
All
right.
The
boss
says
that's
everyone
with
that.
We
conclude
our
first
meeting
and
our
next
meeting
will
be.
When
do
we,
we
do
know,
but
I
can't
august
21st
another
friday,
I
believe
jeremy,
do
you
have
anything
else
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,.