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Let
the
record
reflect,
we
do
have
a
quorum
or
duly
constituted
to
do
business.
The
first
thing
we
will
do
is
approve
the
minutes
from
the
June
12
2023
meeting
do
I.
Have
a
motion.
I
have
a
motion
to
approve.
Is
there
a
second
I?
Have
a
motion?
I
have
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
use
voting
sign
of
I,
and
you
want
to
post
like
sign.
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These
are
very
two
very
important
subjects
that
come
up
a
lot,
not
so
much
the
work
programs,
but
classification
I
am
very
interested
in
work
programs
because
I
think
to
me
it's
the
core
or
should
be
at
least
the
core
of
the
correctional
Corrections
philosophy
and
I'm.
Looking
forward
later
on
to
hearing
from
the
jailers
about
that,
but
introduce
for
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
E
The
first
thing
I
wanted
to
do
was
give
a
clarification
about
what
classification
is
it?
Sometimes
it
gets
misconstrued
with
a
risk
and
needs
assessment.
Classification
and
objective-based
classification
system
results
in
a
more
secure
custody
decision
that
helps
reduce
prison,
violence
escape
and
institutional
violence.
The
risk
of
needs
assessment
in
Kentucky
we
use
what's
called
a
curis,
identifies
program,
needs
and
risk
of
reoffence
for
an
individual
in
Kentucky
we
do
have
an
objective-based
risk
assessment
or
instrument.
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There
are
four
levels
of
custody:
Community
is
level
one
minimum
is
level
two.
Those
are
referred
to
commonly
as
reduced
custody.
Medium
is
level
three
and
maximum
is
level
four
based
on
the
custody
score
if
they
are
reduced
custody.
There's
an
entire
list
of
other
requirements
to
be
considered
for
Community,
the
lowest
level
of
custody
that
we
have.
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Once
the
judgment
is
received,
it's
uploaded
uploaded
into
our
offender
management
system
that
triggers
their
time
to
be
calculated
by
Offender
Information
Services.
Every
inmate
at
that
point
is
reviewed
for
classification
under
532
100
by
the
classification
staff
at
the
rotor
Assessment
Center.
If
they
are
eligible
for
classification
under
532
100,
they
are
classified.
It
is
not
a
face-to-face
classification
that
is
entered
into
our
management
system
and
sent
electronically
to
the
housing
facility.
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E
E
They
cannot
be
serving
on
providing
a
false,
misleading
or
incomplete
information
on
a
sex
offender,
registration
form
or
failure
to
comply
with
the
sex
offender
registry.
The
class
D
E
program
expanded
the
class
D
statute.
They
must
be
serving
on
a
Class
D
Felony.
They
cannot
be
serving
on
a
violent
or
sexual
offense
by
Statute.
Their
sentence
must
be
greater
than
five
years,
but
they
must
have
less
than
five
years
remaining
to
be
served.
E
E
So
this
Maps
out
a
controlled
intake
inmate.
There
are
three
paths
that
they
can
take,
so
the
inmate
pleads
guilty
or
is
found
guilty
in
court
for
a
felony
offense.
They
are
not
a
DOC
inmate
until
they
are
sentenced
and
we
must
be
received
that
judgment
or
sentencing
order
from
the
court
PMP
enters
the
pen
and
offender
management
system.
Some
officers
are
in
court.
Some
receive
notification
from
email
by
booking
sheets.
Messenger
mail
is
a
variety
of
methods.
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The
officer
uploads
that
judgment
to
our
management
system
when
it's
received
the
current
weight
for
receiving
orders
right
now,
there's
37
percent
that
we're
waiting
between
zero
and
seven
days
from
sentencing
27
between
8
and
14
days
and
16
between
15
and
30..
We
have
20
percent
that
are
waiting
over
30
days.
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After
they
calculate
that
sentence,
they
run
a
coordinate
and
an
e-warrant
check.
Looking
for
pending
charges
and
active
warrants,
they
document
their
findings
communicate
with
the
courts
and
launch
detainers.
If
there
are
any
pending
or
unknown
dispositions
for
out-of-state
charges,
they
run
ncic
once
all
of
that
is
complete.
They
refer
the
case
to
classification
staff.
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E
They're,
not
eligible
and
they're
maintained,
on
controlled
intake,
pending
admission
to
an
assessment
center
or
they're
sentenced
to
death,
and
they
are
going
directly
to
KSP
or
KCRW
if
they
are
determined
and
ineligible
at
that
time
for
the
jail
classification,
those
offenders
are
re-reviewed
periodically.
For
example,
an
inmate
who
is
sentenced
on
a
classy
felony
that
has
a
pending
felony
is
ineligible
for
classification
in
class
C,
so
that
person
will
be
re-reviewed
at
a
later
time
to
see
if
that
pending
charge
has
been
resolved
and
we
can
go
ahead
and
classify
them.
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Once
an
offender
is
admitted
into
an
assessment
center,
they
are
interviewed
by
a
classification
treatment
officer.
Their
property
is
inventory.
They
undergo
a
medical,
mental
health
and
dental
screening.
If
appropriate,
they're
referred
to
outside
medical
providers
or
Psychiatric
Services,
they
receive
an
updated
risk
and
needs
assessment.
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It's
important
to
note
that
if
you
look
at
our
count
sheets
that
all
those
beds
are
not
just
available
beds,
we
have
specialized
beds.
So
a
general
population
inmate
at
the
assessment
center
can't
transfer
into
a
specialized
medical
bed
at
a
receiving
facility
or
restrictive
housing.
Bed
and
not
just
controlled
intake
offenders
are
being
scheduled
into
the
assessment
center.
E
E
There
are
certain
differences
between
classification
for
a
jail
offender
and
a
prison
offender.
The
initial
classification
of
a
jail
offender
is
completed
by
the
assessment
center
staff
and
notification
is
sent
electronically
to
the
jail.
All
classifications
conducted
in
the
institutions
are
done,
Face
to
Face
by
the
classification
staff
and
it's
in
a
committee.
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The
reclassification
of
a
jail
inmate
is
conducted
by
a
central
office
staff
upon
any
triggering
event.
So
if
the
offender
receives
an
additional
sentence,
has
disciplinary
Behavior,
that's
done
by
staff
in
central
office
and
the
jail
can
request
a
custody
review
every
90
day
every
90
days
of
their
offenders
in
the
institutions.
Reclassifications
happen
twice
a
year
based
on
an
established
schedule
or
whenever
there's
a
triggering
event
in
the
jail.
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E
A
E
E
E
G
G
E
For
a
Class
D
inmate,
we
can
classify
them
without
a
PSI,
but
it
automates
automatically
makes
them
a
higher
custody
level.
And
what
we
do
is
we
run
a
report,
every
Monday
of
inmates
that
don't
have
a
PSI
and
we
wait.
We
can
track
when
the
PSI
is
due.
So
as
soon
as
we
get
that
PSI
in
we
reclassify
them
what
happens
with
a
Class
C
inmate.
We
cannot
review
them
without
that
PSI,
because
we
can't
give
someone
Community
custody
without
knowing
their
background.
So
that's
where
the
delay
is
for.
A
You're
welcome
Senator
Higdon.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
on
those
inmates
that
that
are
classified
at
the
local
jail
after
convicted
they're
not
eligible
to
stay
in
that
facility.
How
long
does
it
generally
take
you
to
get
them
to
out
of
the
local
jail
to
wherever
they're
to
you
know,
I,
guess
the
state
state
incarceration
or
how
long
does
that
take.
E
H
G
You,
chairman,
are
the
classifications
done
just
in
the
order
and
they
show
up
or
does
anything
to
help.
You
is
anything
any
Factor
allow
one
defendant's
case
to
jump
the
line
a
bit.
E
G
G
A
I
I
A
Welcome
and
I'm,
looking
through
the
rest
of
the
PowerPoint
here
that
the
members
have
in
their
folders
and
most
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
population
Trends
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
we
can
revisit
this
topic,
but
I
want
to
get
make
sure
we
cover
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
the
classification
process
right
now,
we'll
we'll
look
at
the
numbers,
maybe
to
another
date.
We
have
quite
a
few
more
meetings
because
we
have
so
much
else
on
the
agenda.
So
do
you
have
anything
else
to
add
reference
to
the
classification
process?
No.
I
And
where
I'm
getting
at
is
I'm
just
wondering
how
many
times
you're
having
to
re-look
at
it
a
lot
and
well
that
would
be
an
interest.
I
know
and
I
appreciate
the
data
points
you
put
at
the
end
of
your
presentation.
I
appreciate
that
that
might
be
another
nice
data
point
to
see
how
many
times
you're
reviewing
these
before
they're
resolved.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
E
A
We're
going
to
switch
gears
now
to
one
of
my
favorite
topics
in
both
prisons
and
jails.
Is
our
its
work,
programs
and
I'm
interested
in
hearing
about
the
farm
operation,
prison,
Industries
and
any
other
prison
work
programs
which
you
have.
A
J
Good
morning,
good
morning,
it's
good
to
be
with
you
and
thank
you
for
having
us
again
today.
I'm
Randy,
White,
Deputy
Commissioner
for
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Corrections
and
with
me
to
my
left,
is:
is
director
of
Correctional
Industries,
Tony
Bailey
to
just
jump
in
and
answer
your
question,
the
excavation
that
you
can
see
from
the
interstate
from
I-64
over
to
your
right
as
you
head,
south
or
east,
at
the
Blackburn
Correctional
Complex.
J
That
is
part
of
the
the
landscaping
and
the
site,
preparations
in
anticipation
for
the
relocation
of
the
Kentucky
State
Reformatory
from
Lagrange
Kentucky.
So
as
part
of
the
the
feasibility
and
the
architecture
funding,
we
we
were
allocated
funding
to
design
the
facility
and
prepare
the
grounds
for
the
new
medical
facility
at
that
site
and
I.
Think
I
testified
to
some
extent
last
week
about
the
shift
of
the
Reformatory
operations
and
the
reasons
for
the
shift
to
the
the
Fayette
County
site.
And
yes,.
A
J
A
J
Sir,
the
mission
of
the
Kentucky
Correctional
Industries
is
to
provide
inmates
with
a
realistic
World
experience
and
to
teach
a
marketable
job
skills
while
maintaining
self-sufficient
business
model
that
provides
quality
goods
and
services
to
the
customers.
Just
to
not
draw
it
out.
With
the
mission
statement,
Correctional
Industries
tries
to
teach
the
inmates
that
may
have
not
been
exposed
to
structured
work
days
to
teach
them
a
structured
work
day
to
teach
them
a
marketable
skill
so
that
they
can
use
that.
A
And
I
want
to
interrupt
you
right
there.
Yes,
sir
and
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
this
when
the
jails
come
up
to
to
me,
that's
the
biggest
gift
that
we
can
give
our
incarcerated
population
is
a
structured
work
day.
Most
of
them
have
never
experienced
it,
and
if
you
talk
to
potential
employers,
that's
the
biggest
impediment
to
employment,
proceed.
J
So
not
only
do
we
try
to
acclimate
them
and
teach
them
a
structured
work
environment.
They
have
to
interview
for
the
job
to
be
selected
for
the
job
they
have
to
show
up
and
work
an
approximate
six
to
eight
hour
work
day.
According
to
the
facility
schedule
post
incarceration,
they
can
leave
the
prisons
and
have
a
a
work
reference
from
their
performance
while
they
work
in
Correctional,
Industries
and
also
they'll
have
a
job
history.
They
just
don't
spend
out
of
time
in
the
prison.
J
J
So
we
have
KCI
plants
located
across
the
state
at
various
different
facilities,
Green
River
manufacturers,
office
furniture
and
many
of
the
desks
and
the
and
the
the
shelving
that
you
might
see
and
the
chairs
that
you
have
in
your
state
offices.
Those
were
made
high
quality,
Goods,
very,
very
good
product
manufactured
by
inmates
at
Green,
River
and
also
the
Little
Sandy
Correctional
Complex.
J
There's
four
staff
members
44
inmates
employed
there
at
that
particular
facility,
Kentucky
State
Penitentiary.
They
manufacture
at
one
time
most
of
the
uniforms
and
the
jackets
sheets
and
pillowcases
for
all
of
the
prisons
within
Kentucky
three
staff
and
40
inmates
at
that
particular
prison.
We
can
employ
up
to
about
100
inmates
there,
but
because
of
downsizing
with
some
construction
and
Staffing
vacancies,
we've
had
to
pull
back
at
that
particular
prison
with
the
inmate
positions.
J
Luther
luck
at
Correctional
Complex
in
LaGrange
has
four
staff
members
53
inmates.
They
perform
embroidery:
silk
screening
full
service
printing
shop
at
that
facility,
where
they
can
print
a
number
of
various
different
types
of
products.
Kci
Warehouse
right
here
in
Frankfort.
They
helped
to
help
to
provide
support
and
delivery
around
the
state.
So
if
it's
manufactured
at
a
particular
prison,
it's
sent
to
that
location
and
then
sent
back
out
to
the
ultimate
Destination
six
staff,
members,
10
and
mates
work
in
that
particular
location.
J
Kci
currently
has
four
Farm
operations:
North
Point
and
Boyle
County
Blackburn
and
Fayette
County
Roeder
Correctional
Complex
in
LaGrange,
and
the
Western
Kentucky
Correctional
Complex
in
Lyon
County.
We
have
375
acres
of
corn,
860
Acres
of
soybeans
in
1143,
head
of
cattle.
Currently
between
all
of
the
farm
operations,
we
have
about
46
inmate
workers
on
those
Farm
operations.
J
Because
of
the
down
says
and
at
that
prison
we've
had
to
employ
fewer
workers
and
ultimately
we'll
relocate
that
license
plate
manufacturing
over
at
the
women's
prison
in
Shelby
County.
Currently,
there's
three
KCI
staff
and
six
dma
workers
at
that
facility.
J
J
They
produce
Furniture,
high
quality,
Furniture
State
office,
furniture
for
KCI
staff,
44
inmate
workers
at
that
site
and
I
think
they
can
go
up
to
100
workers,
but
we've
had
to
downsize
at
that
prison,
similar
to
what
we've
done
at
the
penitentiary
and
and
also
the
Kentucky
State
Reformatory
Eastern
Kentucky
Correctional
Complex
produces
mattresses,
the
other
part
of
the
inmate
clothing
and
pillowcases
and
sheets.
They
also
have
a
coupon
processing
plant
there,
but,
as
we
know,
things
are
going
digital
and
so
coupons
are
becoming
fewer
and
fewer.
A
J
Yeah
one
one
thing
I'd
like
to
to
end
upon
is
mentioning
that
we
have
a
first
ever
Pi
program.
Pi
stands
for
prison,
Industries.
J
So,
due
to
Federal
Regulations
changes,
we
can
now
partner
with
Private
Industry
within
the
prisons
and
through
that
partnership
with
the
Private
Industry,
they
can
make
a
marketable
good
to
sell
to
the
public.
In
return
for
that
partnership,
the
inmates
can
earn
real
world
wages
comparable
to
what
is
available
within
the
communities
So.
Currently
we're
partnering
with
looks
like
Restoration
Parts
Unlimited,
that's
located
in
LaGrange
and
what
they
manufacture,
and
this
is
on
site.
At
the
women's
prison.
We
employ
seven
offenders.
A
Commissioner,
thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
I'm,
familiar
with
your
career
and
the
Department
of
Corrections
in
Kentucky,
is
fortunate
to
have
you
as
our
Deputy
Commissioner.
As
I
stated
the
beginning.
The
the
meeting
inmate
work
programs
are
really
my
favorite
part
of
Corrections
and
before
this
job
I
was
in
Corrections
for
a
long
time.
Both
County
and
federal
and
I
got
a
couple.
Think
questions
I
want
to
ask
you:
what
can
we
do
to
bring
to
raise
the
profile
of
the
farm
operations?
A
Kentucky
Correctional
and
you
don't
really
hear
much
about
it
and
and
I
follow
this
stuff
pretty
closely
I.
Follow
it
real
closely
and
you
don't
really
hear
anything
about
it
and
then
also
a
comment
about
I
hear
some
some
in
Corrections
today
they
kind
of
want
to
de-emphasize
farm
operations
and
I'd
be
the
first
to
meet
economically.
They
don't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
right
now.
That's
unfortunate
but-
and
you
know,
I'm
old-fashioned,
I'm,
an
old
guy,
but
for
me
there's
no
substitute
for
that.
A
A
I,
I,
feel
and
I
think
also,
if
you'll
talk
to
them,
you'll
see
that
those
experiences
benefit
them
forever.
It
may
not
be
the
exact
same
field
that
they're
working,
it
probably
won't
be
only
about
two
percent
of
our
population
is
in
agricultural
nationally,
but
but
I
just
think
they're
huge
benefits,
as
is
Correctional
Industries,
as
is
all
the
other
things
you
mentioned.
So
what
can
we
do
to
to
kind
of
preach?
The
gospel.
J
I
think
two
two
maybe
put
value
on
our
operations.
We
we
produce
a
very
finely
cultured
genetics
within
our
our
Kettle,
so
those
are
top-notch
cattle
and
so
anytime
they
go
to
the
market
they're
highly
sought,
after
so
I
think
just
an
awareness
and
conscientiousness
about
the
quality
of
the
product,
the
crops
and
the
cattle.
The
other
thing
is
is
Preservation
of
a
real
estate.
J
We
we've
got
a
a
large
acreage,
but
at
times
that
that
seems
to
to
shrink-
and
we
we
have
to
guard
that
acreage-
we
have
to
have
the
acreage
to
conduct
these
operations
on
the
prison
grounds
and
and
finally,
perhaps
helping
raise
the
awareness
about
our
operations
within
within
the
prisons.
We
sell
our
product
on
the
open
market
so
whether
it's
the
the
light,
the
livestock
operations
or
whether
it's
the
granaries,
we
sell
those
on
the
open
market,
there's
no
contract.
J
So
it's
you
know
it's
a
competitive
bidding
process
to
be
open
and
transparent,
but
I
think
those
three
things
is
just
to
help
us
get
the
word
out
and
to
to
bring
attention
to
our
operations
within
the
prisons.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
K
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
all
for
your
presentation
and
I've
got
a
couple
questions
and
one
is
similar
on
the
lines
of
the
Chairman's
question.
K
My
question
is
more
around
the
number
of
folks
who
are
incarcerated.
How
do
we
get
more
people
in
inside
the
the
work
program,
and
so
the
chairman
asked
more
about
the
profile
of
letting
folks
from
the
outside
know,
and
so
my
question
is:
what
is
it
that
we
need
to
do
to
fill
these
programs
at
capacity?
K
J
Ma'am
representative
here
and
thank
you
for
that
question.
During
the
covet
pandemic,
we
we
saw
a
a
real
challenge
as
far
as
Staffing
goes
with
her
population
and
also
sourcing
materials,
and
just
in
general
business
coming
in
our
Direction.
Often
it
was
difficult
for
us
to
fill
orders
because
of
the
lag
time
with
ordering
raw
materials
to
manufacture
products
and
so
forth.
So
what
we
had
to
do
is
to
shrink
down
the
workforce.
J
We
would
love
to
to
get
more
business
steered
in
our
Direction
so
that
we
could
handle
more
more
more
employment
within
the
offender
population,
so
that
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
representative,
Heron,
so
the
more
business
we
can
get,
the
more
that
we
can
grow
because
we're
a
self-sustaining
operations
within
Kentucky,
Correctional
Industries,
the
taxpayers,
face
no
part,
so
the
business
generates
and
the
profits
from
the
business
in
essence
runs
the
business.
K
I'm,
sorry,
you
have
a
podcast
yeah
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
off
the
next
question.
I
have
when
you
talk
about
the
profits,
how
how
much
money
is
made
from
these
programs?
How
much
money
does
the
the
state
keep
like?
Where
does
that
money
go
to,
and
how
much
does
that
go?
How
much
do
the
workers
make.
J
So
I
believe
in
and
I'll
consult
with
Mr
Bailey
on
this,
but
I
believe
last
physical
year,
Kentucky
Correctional
Industries
generated
between
14
12
and
14
million
dollars
again
that
that
profit
goes
back
into
operating
the
plants
and
paying
the
staff
members
and
paying
the
inmates
their
wages,
I
believe
with
the
the
cattle
we.
What
was
the
cattle
total.
L
J
J
They're
paid
a
a
sliding
scale
based
upon
a
probationary
period
and
then
that
scale
slides
up
and
they're
paid
an
hourly
rate,
the
longer
they'd
been
employed
and
and
the
more
skills
that
they
get.
They
they
get
an
increase
in
what
their
pay
is.
So.
J
On
probation,
they
earned
60
cents
an
hour,
and
then
it
works
on
a
sliding
scale,
the
longer
they
work.
They
earn
72
cents
an
hour,
92
cents
an
hour,
ultimately
a
dollar
twelve
an
hour
and
then
on
the
farms
they
earn
between
a
dollar.
Thirty,
three
and
two
dollars
an
hour.
D
Do
we
have
data
on
tracking
recidivism?
You
know
the
people
who
go
through
the
work
program
compared
to
those
who
don't.
J
Yes
or
we
have
some
data
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
a
summary
of
that
data.
The
success
of
KCI
is
not
only
measured
in
dollars,
but
in
the
reduction
of
recidivism
rate
for
those
inmates
trained
in
the
program.
An
independent
study
done
by
PKU,
the
College
of
Criminal
Justice
found
only
13.5
percent
of
M82
had
worked
in
a
KCI
Industries
returned
to
prison
compared
to
42
percent
returning
from
the
general
population.
Now
that
data
is
a
few
years
old,
currently
I
think
the
recidivism
rate
is
around
26
percent.
J
K
J
I
think
it's
both
I
think
that
the
inmates
that
go
towards
that
gravitate
towards
that
program
and
apply
and
they
want
to
have
a
structured
work
environment,
but
they
also
they
go.
They
go
through
an
application
process,
an
interview
process
and
then
they
report
to
work
and
they
receive
on
the
job,
training
and
they're
introduced
to
a
positive
culture
where
they
can
benefit
from
that
positive
culture.
It
offers
them
a
stability.
So
I
think
that
the
answer
exists
to
both
of
those
questions.
Thank
you.
A
A
L
A
L
A
A
That's
what
I,
like
okay,
representative
chairman
Petrie,.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
two
things.
If
I
may
first
is
the
program's
great
and
I
agree
with
them
chairman
schickel
about
the
best
program.
You've
got
is
some
kind
of
work
for
all
purposes.
A
full
spectrum
holistically
question
on
that
is.
This
is
there's
habituation
of
mind
and
body,
so,
if
you're
going
into
farming
or
going
to
some
on
the
farm
or
something
else
like
that,
you
have
that
work
habit.
I
J
We're
involved
with
various
colleges,
offering
degree
programs
and
and
other
type
of
programs,
but
as
far
as
specifically
for
Farm
operations,
I
don't
think.
I
It
doesn't
have
to
be
for
Farm
I'm,
just
talking
about
Farm,
habituation
and
other
things,
but
there's
not
a
great
lot
of
people.
I
can
Envision
coming
out
of
incarceration
and
going
into
farming.
It's
hard
enough
if
you've
got
a
family
history
behind
you
doing
that
so,
but
I'm
looking
at
skill
sets
so
name
me,
one
two
or
three
kctcs
or
other
higher
ed
institutions
that
are
helping
with
skill
set
development
or
certification
development
in
the
prisons.
We.
K
J
I
J
I
If
you'll
get
that
back
to
the
committee
as
comprehensive
as
you
want
to
make
it
and
then
also,
if
there's
any
recommendation
or
insight
about
how
that
can
be
developed
further.
Secondly,
just
to
put
this
out
there,
Mr
chairman,
on
the
hourly
rate,
side
and
habituation
of
mind
and
body,
if
you're
asking
somebody
to
work
at
60
cents
an
hour,
that's
not
a
real
good
habituation
that
may
be.
We
don't
want
a
reward
for
people.
Who've
done
bad
contact
to
give
them
a
conduct
to
go
and
get
a
job.
I
But
if
you're
talking
about
habituation
of
if
I
work,
then
I
receive
something
of
commensurate
value,
then
we're
really
undervaluing
what
their
work
is.
You
also
have
the
added
benefit
if
there
is
something
more
than
Pennies
on
the
dollar
being
paid.
You
also
can
divert
that
statutorily
if
we
need
to
ramp
this
up
to
make
sure
that
court
costs
and
restitution
and
child
support
and
other
obligations
of
the
inmate
are
being
more
adequately
addressed
while
they're
incarcerated.
So
I
would
just
put
that
out
there
and
Peg
the
issue.
A
And
and
I
appreciate
your
words
Mr
chairman
I
want
to
elaborate
on
that
a
little
I
think
I
probably
have
a
little
bit
different
perspective
than
you
do,
but
that
but
I
knew
this
would
come
up
and
I
was
going
to
save
it
for
jails,
because
you're
going
to
hear
the
same
thing
with
the
jails.
But
it's
important
to
realize
that
these
folks
are
being
housed
at
Kentucky.
A
Taxpayer
expense
they
and
they
receive
many
things
that
many
in
our
middle
and
lower
economic
Stratus
don't
receive
such
as
Medical
Care,
air
conditioning
Recreation
mental
health,
counseling,
a
lot
lots
of
things.
If
you
go
go
to
these
institutions,
I
think
you'll
be
amazed
at
the
amenities
in
these
institutions
and
in
our
jails.
Also,
I
do
agree
with
you
that
that
we
do
need
to
respect
the
value
of
their
work
and
and
and
maybe
pay
them
a
little
bit
more.
A
But
it's
also
important
to
realize
that
the
in
that
they
are
being
housed
at
Kentucky
tax,
prepare
expense
and
when
we
use
the
term
profit
for
these
programs,
it's
you
know
it's
you
know.
Really
it's
not.
We
don't
turn
a
prop.
We
will
only
be
turning
a
profit
when
our
when
our
as
you
know
this
especially
Mr
chairman
that
when
our
Corrections
budget
there's
no
taxpayer
money
in
it
and
there's
a
bunch
of
taxpayer
money
in
it
right
now,
big
dollars,
actually
in
some
of
our
jails.
A
A
I,
don't
either
just
a
different
way
of
looking
at
it.
Hey
thanks
a
lot
I'm
going
to
have
you
guys
back
one
of
the
great
things
about
task
force?
Is
we
get
to
it,
do
a
deep
dive
and
we
have
we're
going
to
have
some
more
meetings
and
I'm
gonna.
Have
you
back
and
your
colleagues
back
you'll
be
back
here,
probably
more
than
you
want
to
be,
but
we're
going
to
switch
the
gears
now
towards
to
jails.
Just
so,
I
can
stay
on
schedule
like.
A
We
are
now
45
minutes
into
the
meeting,
so
we
went
a
little
bit
over,
but
not
too
bad
with
corrections,
and
so
we
will
now
switch
gears
to
jails
and
we
have
the
head
of
our
department
of
local
facilities
with
us
who
I've
seen
a
lot
of
these
days.
It's
good
to
see
you
again
introduce
with
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
F
A
Go
through
no,
don't
worry
about
going
through
quickly.
Your
previous
colleague
didn't
did
a
great
job
of
condensing
a
PowerPoint
I
always
get
scared
when
I
see
a
PowerPoint
I,
don't
allow
them
in
my
normal
meetings
during
session.
But
this
is
a
little
bit
different
deal
here
and
and
keep
in
mind.
We've
got
jailers
going
behind
you
who
are
actually
doing
what
you're
talking
about
so.
F
So
for
the
purpose
of
this
conversation,
we're
going
to
be
talking
strictly
about
jail
programs
for
State
inmates,
I'm
not
going
to
cover
anything
related
to
those
County,
inmate
work
programs.
The
jailers
can
do
that
I'm
sure,
while
they
they
do
their
testimony.
So
basically,
there
are
two
programs
for
State
inmates
in
the
in
the
jail
system.
One
of
those
is
the
community
service
related
projects
and
the
other
is
State
Work
Release.
So
we'll
begin
with
the
the
community
service
related
projects,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
it.
F
F
They
they
identify
the
type
of
prisoner,
that's
working
if
any,
what
types
of
jobs
they're
going
to
do
and
how
those
inmates
are
going
to
be
assigned
to
the
jobs.
The
statute
does
require
that
no
prisoner
be
assigned
unduly
hazardous
work
and
that
a
prisoner
May
refuse
to
participate
in
the
program
for
valid
medical
reasons.
F
So
statutorily
or
by
policy
the
work
assignments
outside
of
the
secure
jails
or
those
inmates,
those
data
mates
that
are
working
out
in
the
community
they're,
the
ones
along
the
roadsides,
picking
up
trash
mowing
grass
at
the
parks,
doing
various
maintenance
at
school
buildings
and
things
of
that
nature
in
the
summertime.
F
F
So
the
the
differences
63
cents
per
day
if
the
inmate
is
eligible
for
work
for
time,
credit,
meaning
that
those
time
that
time
comes
directly
off
their
minimum
expiration
date
of
sentence
if
they
are
not
eligible
for
work
for
time,
credit
credit
that
pay
doubles
to
a
dollar
and
26
Cents
for
work
for
time
credit
purposes.
One
credit
is
given
for
each
day
that
has
worked
and
then
once
the
offender
has
earned
five
credits,
they
get
one
day
off
of
their
sentence.
F
If
you're
not
familiar
with
that,
the
days
are
reported
by
the
jails
to
our
our
office
and
then
we
process
the
pay
issue,
the
payment
to
the
jails,
as
well
as
issuing
the
work
for
time
credit
off
of
the
inmate
sentence.
F
We
do
require
an
annual
training
for
those
Community
supervisors
that
are
supervising
inmates
out
in
the
community
that
are
not
jail
staff.
So
some
jails
have
a
rule
that
only
their
jail
deputies
can
supervise
inmates
working
out
in
the
community
outside
the
secure
perimeter
of
the
jail.
But
if
they're
using
Community
supervisors,
volunteers
or
employees
of
those
County
agencies,
then
we
do
require
that
they
have
an
annual
training
out
of
the
74
full-service
jails.
We
have
73
of
those
that
participate
that
have
active
community
service
programs.
F
We
average
over
3
600
inmates
a
month
if
you
totaled
up
for
FY
23
and
just
for
a
note.
These
numbers
are
based
on
July
1st
of
2022
through
May
30th,
because
the
jails
report
that
data
to
us
at
the
end
of
each
month,
so
we
run
a
month
behind.
So
we
are
just
now
calculating
and
processing
the
June
payments,
for
we.
D
G
You
chairman,
I'm
gonna,
I'm,
just
gonna,
ask
a
dumb
question
here:
I've
asked
too
many
chairman
I
know
that
there
are
are
any
of
these
credits,
part
of
the
the
miscount
issue
that
the
Department's
dealing
with
and
that
audit
that
was
done
or
is
being
done.
F
G
F
Then
those
cognitive
behavioral,
evidence-based
programs,
not
work
related
programs
and.
G
Is
there
has
there
been
any
delay
on
calculating
these
credits
for
any
inmates?
No.
G
F
F
Okay,
so
the
cost
savings
that
you
see
there
simply
what
we
did
is
we
took
the
number
of
work
hours
that
that
were
reported
or
the
days
of
work
that
were
reported
converted
that
to
hours
and
then
multiplied
that
by
minimum
wage
doc
paid
just
short
of
450
000
out
to
the
to
the
jails
for
the
compensation
for
that
inmate
labor,
so
that
that
money
then
is
distributed
back
amongst
the
inmates.
F
Just
a
couple
of
quick
statistics:
this
graph
is
going
to
show
you
the
average
for
fiscal
year
20
through
23
for
the
community
service.
This
is
all
jails
combined.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
obviously
had
the
dip
there
during
covid
and
we
are
starting
to
see
that
number
rise,
but
obviously,
as
you
can
tell,
we
are
not
back
to
that
pre-covered
level,
and
there
are
various
reasons
for
that.
I'm
sure
the
jailers
association
will
probably
discuss
some
of
that
in
their
related
testimony,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
this
one.
F
The
final
program
that
I
want
to
talk
about
is
what
we
call
State
work
release,
and
so
this
one's
a
little
different.
This
is
that
program
where
the
inmates
are
actually
going
out
and
being
employed
by
private
employers
and
they
are
making
a
lawful
wage.
So
these
individuals
are
competing
for
jobs,
just
like
the
individuals
who
are
who
are
out
on
the
street,
and
this
is
something
that
came
up
in
the
2017
regular
session.
It
was
a
part
of
Senate
Bill
120,
which
was
the
driving
factor
for
this.
F
The
statutory
reference
is
532
100
and
then
we've
got
the
details
outlined
in
Corrections
policy
and
procedure
19.4.
One
specific
thing
to
note:
the
statute
does
limit
this
program
to
only
those
class
D
felons.
So
we
do
have
that
subset
of
Class
C
felons
that
are
housed
in
the
jail.
They
are
not
eligible
to
participate
in
this
program
by
Statute
that
this
program
also
runs
concurrent
with
the
judge's
jurisdiction.
So
a
lot
of
times
judges
will
how.
F
F
A
G
We're
just
over
here
doing
good
government
chairman
I
want
to
go
back
to
a
couple
of
slides
back
on
the
the
number
of
hours
reported,
worked,
cost
savings
to
County
slide.
Okay
to
there
you
go,
yes
is
the
447
000
accurate.
G
B
F
G
A
You're
welcome
it's
great
to
have
people
checking
the
numbers,
that's
for
sure
anything
else,
I
kind
of
like
to
switch
gears
and
have
you
back
if
that's
all
right,
sure,
absolutely
yeah,
because
the
jailers
are
waiting
and
we're
we're
an
hour
in,
but
so
I
will
have
you
back,
I
promise.
Okay,
thank.
F
A
Okay,
jailers,
while
you
are
coming
I,
am
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
being
a
former
Jailer
I.
Just
think
it's
important
as
a
committee
that
we
realize
in
Kentucky
how
special
Kentucky
jailers
are
and
how
unique
they
are.
You
know
in
the
first
Kentucky
Constitution
jailers
were
never
mentioned
in
the
second
Kentucky
Constitution.
They
were
never
mentioned.
We,
the
sheriffs,
are
in
the
jails
and
the
jail.
The
position
of
Jailer
was
actually
adopted
in
the
1890
1891.
A
convention.
Before
that,
the
the
the
sheriffs
were
in
the
jails,
and
there
is
a
provision
in
our
constitution
still
to
combine
the
office
of
jailer
in
the
office
of
sheriff
in
the
county.
That
wants
to
the
reason
I
bring.
This
up
is
the
reason
if
you
go
back
and
you
look
at
the
Constitutional
notes,
when
the
1890
Constitution
was
adopted,
some
people,
you
hear
that
boy,
that's
backward.
The
Kentucky
elects
jailers
and
just
for
the
record
Kentucky's
the
only
place
in
the
world,
the
electric
jail
or
some
president
Association
you're.
A
Also,
president
of
the
world
Association,
because
you're
president
of
the
Kentucky
jailers
Association
we're
the
only
place
sent
me
a
people,
say
Virginia
and
this
and
that
that's
not
true,
Kentucky's
the
only
place
in
the
world
that
elects
jailers.
But
the
reason
if
you
go
back
and
research,
the
Constitutional
Convention
I,
think
this
is
very
unique
and
a
bit
of
an
eye-opener
was.
There
was
an
argument
that
that
Constitutional
Convention
between
the
delegates
there
they've
thought
that
the
person
who
arrests
the
prisoner
may
be
mad
or
upset
and
might
abuse
The
Prisoner.
A
So
they
created
a
separate
office.
They
separated
those
two
office,
the
office
of
Jailer
and
the
office
of
sheriff.
It
was
actually
a
move
towards
professionalism
to
take
it
away
from
the
sheriff
who
they
felt.
That
would
not
be
his
primary
focus
and
give
it
to
an
elected
official
in
the
community
that
it
would
be
the
primary
focus.
The
office
of
the
elected
jailer
I
also
think
it's
interesting
from
a
historical
perspective.
If
you
look
at
the
office
of
jailer,
you
go
to
Danville.
The
first
public
building
built
in
Kentucky
was
jail.
A
A
The
other
thing
that
I
always
like
to
point
out,
because
we
hear
a
lot
about
cost
of
Corrections.
We
hear
cost
all
the
time
that
Corrections
are
breaking
the
state,
but
the
total
budget
that
goes
to
Corrections
and
that's
including
jail,
not
not
County
expenses,
but
the
total
the
state
spends
is
five
percent
of
the
budget
on
the
prisons
and
the
jails.
That's
what
the
state
spends.
Five
percent
of
the
budget,
so
I
think
that's
important,
that
we
realize
that
it's
also
important
that
we
realize
that
jails
and
prisons
are
constitutional
responsibility.
A
A
We
spend
way
more
on
Medicaid
Parks,
all
kinds
of
stuff
that
are
not
outlined
in
the
Constitution,
but
the
responsibility
of
jails
and
prisons
is
a
direct
constitutional
responsibility.
Every
public
official
is
sworn
to
uphold
the
Constitution,
and
that
is
in
there.
So
until
the
Constitution
changed
that
so
I
I
think
there's
a
really
powerful
things.
A
Prior
to
this
job,
the
longest
job
I've
ever
had
was
working
in
the
jail
business
and
that
that
that's
the
beginning
of
it
right
and
the
reason
I
want
to
show
this
to
the
members
and
then
president
of
the
association,
Mr
Daley
I'm
sure,
will
share
a
lot
of
other
programs,
but
I
want
to
share
with
you
what
can
actually
happen
in
a
jail
and
some
of
the
positive
things
were
happening
in
our
jail
and
it's
interesting
because
our
jail
was
built
by
Christian,
County,
architect
and
actually
modeled
the
our
new
or
it's
not
new
anymore,
but
RJ
was
actually
built
as
kind
of
prototype
of
that
jail
and
the
reason
I
built
it
that
way
was
is
Christian
County
in
those
days
had
a
reputation
for
having
a
self-sufficient
jail
financially,
and
that
was
my
goal
to
have
a
self-sufficient
Jail
go
back
to
the
previous
picture.
A
There
Jason,
you
know
it's
kind
of
interesting,
Jason
madek,
who
is
our
president
currently
elected
Jailer
when
he
was.
He
actually
ran
this
facility,
but
this
is
what
you're
looking
at
here
is
called
our
Boone
County
Jail
Work
Camp.
It's
actually
a
restricted
custody.
Center
but
the
reason
I
called
it
a
Work
Camp
was,
is
I
wanted
to
emphasize
work.
A
It
was
interesting
because
the
Department
of
Corrections
didn't
want
me
to
call
it
a
Work
Camp.
They
thought
that
sounded
backward
was
a
bad
name,
but
I
wanted
the
citizens
of
Boone
County
to
know
what
was
going
on
at
this
facility,
so
I
called
it
a
Work
Camp.
Now,
if
you're
looking
at
that
facility,
that
is
a
Morton,
Building,
I'm
sure
you're
all
familiar
with
Morton
Buildings,
they
built
Barnes
a
lot
of
them
in
Kentucky
that
was
built
by
prisoners
under
the
supervision
that
Jailer
Jason
made
act.
A
Deputy
I
tried
to
save
money,
so
I
didn't
promote
him
but
the,
but
that,
but
that
under
his
supervision,
a
couple
others
in
our
public
works,
but
they
literally
built
that
building
with
prisoner
labor
now
move
on
forward
and
show
us
another
picture,
I'm
not
worried
about
them.
Sit
there
there
you
go
okay,
somebody
said
structured
work
program,
things
like
picking
up
trash
and
things
like
that.
That
might
not
be
a
structured
work
program.
Well,
you're.
A
Looking
at
some
of
the
things
right
there
weed
eating
on
right-of-ways
doing
things
like
that,
I
can
assure
you.
It
was
very
structured,
I've
been
out
there
on
them
and
if
you
ever
want
an
experience,
you
know
it's
for
me.
I've
had
a
lot
of
good
jobs
over
the
years,
but
the
most
fulfilling
job
I've
ever
had
in
my
life
was
the
job
of
Jailer.
Don't
want
to
go
back.
Those
days
are
passed,
but
it
they're.
Just
it's
you
talk
about
a
job.
We
have
direct
impact
on
people's
lives.
A
The
the
it's
the
job
of
Jailer
and
you're.
Looking
at
Boone
County
jail
inmates
out
working
in
the
community
show
us
some
more
pictures.
Jason
now
this
is
our
agricultural
operation
and
you
see
all
the
cucumbers
and
peppers
and
all
that
some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
shickles
pickles
and
my
pickle
Feast.
Well,
that's
where
that
all
started
was
pickles
from
the
was
cucumbers
from
the
jail
we
had
too
many
of
them.
We
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
them.
So
that's
where
that
all
started,
but
and
here's
some
more.
A
We
have
guys
they're
using
chainsaws.
You
say
you
give
prisoners,
chainsaws,
yep,
we
do
certain
ones
and
they
go
out
in
the
community.
Take
down
trees
for
in
in
public
right-of-ways
do
all
kinds
of
things
here
they
are
working
at
this,
the
they
were
working
at
the
senior
activity
center.
Now
this
picture
here
folks
they'll
go
back
you're,
passing
up
my
pride
and
joy
okay.
Now
this
is
a
lousy
picture.
A
I
wish
I
had
better
pictures,
but
this
is
of
a
this
is
an
art
project
at
the
end
of
the
century.
It's
been
23
years
ago.
Now
we
did
a
timeline
with
prisoners
on
the
history
of
the
century,
and
you
can
see
there
on
the
left.
It
says
1900,
you
can't
see
it
and
then
on
the
right.
You
see
2000
all
those
paintings
there
on
that
wall
and
they're
still
still
there
today
were
done
by
prisoners.
Look
at
them,
folks,
they're,
they're,
literally
pieces
of
Art.
A
It
brings
me
to
my
point
I'm,
a
big
believer
that
cultural
activity.
We
had
a
jail
choir.
We
had
a
Christmas
concert.
We
had
our
all
these
things
are
a
big
deal
for
prisoners
who
have
never
ever
experienced
anything
like
that,
and
it
just
really
it
for
me,
the
benefit
of
it
is
unbelievable.
We
talk
about
recidivism
rates.
I
always
get
I,
always
get
scared.
When
people
talk
about
recidivism
rates
because
there's
all
kinds
of
ways
you
can
figure
them.
A
You
know
it's
a
known
fact
that
people
at
a
certain
age
group
are
much
more
prone
to
commit
violent
crime.
Young
men
between
like
about
17
and
27.
You
know
that's
the
sweet
spot
after
that,
it
kind
of
travels
off
and
I,
don't
care
who
you
are
that's
just
the
way
it
is
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
things.
You
got
to
factor
into
recidivism,
but
go
ahead.
Jason,
go
ahead,
keep
going,
we
don't
care
about
statistics.
A
It
that
was
it
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
share
I,
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
all.
You
know
a
couple
other
things
about
the
program
that
we
had
in
Boone
County.
When
you
went
to
that
program,
you
had
to
have
a
burr
haircut,
you
say
well
why
and
this
this
particular
work
program
was
all
male
because
it
it
was
a
just
one
facility.
We
did
have
a
work
program,
but
it
was
back
at
the
main
jail
for
the
females.
You
say
why
would
you
do
that?
A
A
The
churches
came
in
there
with
their
church
services,
the
AAA
almost
every
night.
It
was
a
positive
environment
for
a
young
man
to
live
in.
We
had
contact
visits
with
the
families.
Every
Sundays
I
worked
a
lot
of
those
because
it
was
hard
to
find
somebody
on
Sunday.
Every
Sunday
we
would
during
the
summer
would
be
outside
bad
weather,
be
inside
in
the
winter,
but
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
share
this
is
I.
Just
think
it's
like
the
farm
operations,
like
the
all
the
other.
A
We
don't
realize
all
the
good
things
that
are
going
on
in
jails
and
prisons.
There
really
are.
All
we
hear
is
the
negative.
We
don't
hear
the
good
and
there
is
good
there's
a
lot
of
good,
and
you
know
the
recidivism
rate
is
one
thing
and
it's
and
we're
reducing
the
recidivism
rate.
But
but
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
people
don't
want
you
know.
Drug
treatment
has
a
huge
recidivism
rate
higher
than
jails,
but
we
don't.
You
know
we
don't
criticize
them
for
their
recidivism
rate.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
the
group
today
when
we
were
walking
working
about
talking
about
jail,
work,
programs
and
jails
in
general.
I
know
I'm,
very
biased
about
it,
but
but
I've
just
seen
too
much
good
come
out
of
jails.
I
was
sitting
in
my
I
had
a
porch
put
on
my
house,
and
every
morning
I
was
sitting
at
the
kitchen
table.
I'd
be
drinking
coffee
and
there
was
a
guy.
He
was
out
putting
in
the
porch
and
he
would
look
at
me
and
I'd.
A
Look
back
at
him
and
I
thought
man
I
know
that
guy
from
somewhere-
and
so
he
asked
me
if
he
could
use
the
bathroom
so
I,
let
him
in
to
use
the
bathroom.
Where
do
I
know
you
from
he
said:
I
was
in
your
jail.
That
happens
all
the
time
to
me
when
I
go
out
in
Boone
County
people
come
up
and
my
partner
thinks
well.
Why
aren't
they
mad?
Why
are
they
so
friendly?
Why
they,
like
you
so
much
The
Stereotype,
that
people
think
of
at
least
in
my
experience?
A
That's
just
not
the
reality.
Remember
the
Kentucky
Jailer
is
elected
by
the
citizens.
They
serve
directly.
That's
a
powerful
thing,
sure
there's
bad
things
that
go
on
in
jails.
Sure
there's
when
you
take,
you
know
every
murderer
and
Thief
that's
been
charged,
comes
through
a
jail,
hello,
yeah,
you're
gonna
have
some
bad
things
happen.
You
get
that
many
people
congregated
in
one
place,
but
overall
our
elected
jailers
in
Kentucky
provide
a
good
and
honorable
service
and
gentlemen,
introduce
yourselves
to
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
N
A
N
You,
sir,
our
coroner's
office
at
the
time
was
operating
out
of
our
old
Hospital
building,
which
was
downtown
pretty
Antiquated
had
no
storage
space
for
bodies
at
the
time
he
was
renting
space
from
the
local
hospital
I
think
they
gave
him
one
day
free
and
then,
every
day
after
that
was
300
a
day.
So
we
got
together
with
the
County
government
and
built
a
building.
N
This
was
another
project
that
we
started
shortly
after
I
took
office
every
year
in
the
summertime,
both
of
our
local
nursing
homes
would
bring
their
residents
out
for
fishing
there
at
a
pond.
That's
located
there
on
the
jail
property
and,
if
you
can
imagine,
we
were
struggling
with
dealing
with
wheelchairs
at
the
water's
edge
on
that
bank.
N
N
This
is
the
first
community
garden
that
we
had
in
the
area
we
partnered
with
a
gardening
program
locally
there
and
they
supplied
all
of
the
expense
and
we
supplied
the
labor
to
build
these
raised
gardens
for
the
community
to
use.
N
This
is
a
gardening
slash,
Hydroponics
program
at
our
Grayson
County
Middle
School,
the
middle
school
or
the
school
system
purchased
those
greenhouses
and
we
put
them
together
and
built
the
raised
beds
for
them
and
that
program's
still
going
today.
It's
a
building
that
the
inmates
built
for
the
city
of
Clarkson
for
their
utilities
department.
N
It's
finished
now
used
daily.
This
is
a
building
that
is
also
the
city
of
Clarkson
that
they
purchased
that
was
adjacent
to
their
City
ballpark.
That's
been
currently
being
remodeled
as
we
speak.
It
will
contain
a
community
area
inside
for
them
to
use
with
restrooms
and
then
a
pavilion
on
the
outside
and
we're
providing
the
labor
and
the
city's
providing
the
expenses.
N
N
Our
Grayson
County
Sheriff's
Office
just
recently
moved
into
a
building
just
off
of
the
square,
which
used
to
be
the
old
Litchfield
police
department
and
everything
on
the
interior
was
done
by
the
inmates.
They
did
all
the
painting
laying
the
floors
set
the
doors
and
and
all
that
this
is
a
project
that
we're
about
halfway
done
with
that's
at
the
jail.
It's
a
new
training
facility
that
my
staff
will
benefit
from.
N
N
Concession
stain
in
the
background
there
that
was
built
basically
from
the
ground
up.
There
was
a
small
building
there.
Originally,
this
is
the
city
of
Litchfield
Thompson
island,
softball
complex.
That
building
was
built
by
the
inmates.
Everything
except
the
Brick
Lane
was
done
by
the
inmates
same
thing
here.
This
entire
ballpark
was
built
by
their
inmate
work
program.
N
The
city
of
Caneyville
supplied
the
materials,
and
there
was
a
local
contractor
that
did
the
groundwork
prior
to
us
assembling
the
ballpark,
but
they
did
everything
here,
including
the
building
and
fences
on
the
local
Kentucky
Utilities
set
the
poles
for
us
Community
Center
in
Yemen.
We
do
the
upkeep
for
that
yearly.
N
We
visited
a
couple
times
a
year
and
clean
it
and
and
make
sure
it's
ready
for
Community
use
same
thing
here:
the
Curtis,
Wells,
Community,
Center
and
ready
area.
This
building
was
remodeled
on
the
inside,
it's
an
old
store
building
and
it
was
remodeled
on
the
inside
to
allow
for
Community
use
it
was
purchased
by
the
county.
This
is
another
Community
Center
in
Millwood
that
we
help
keep
up
with.
N
It's
been
remodeled
a
couple
of
times
on
the
inside
Ro
court
house
if
you've
been
through
Litchfield
you're,
probably
familiar
with
that
it's
been
under
extensive
Remodeling
on
the
interior
and
the
exterior
and
the
inmate
labor
have
done
most
of
that
work
on
the
inside
contains
our
County
clerk's
office
and
our
PVA
PVA
Office.
N
Grayson
County
ag
Park.
We
help
maintain
this
throughout
the
year
with
Mowing
and
such
and
then
the
building
on
the
top
right
has
restrooms
in
the
basement.
Those
were
recently
remodeled.
Last
year,
Community
Action
Group.
This
building
was
remodeled
to
house
them.
They
were
once
housed
in
the
old
hospital
building
as
well.
N
A
A
The
I
I
don't
mean
to
be
going
out
of
order
a
little
bit,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
had
an.
D
Fine,
it's
not
about
inmate
pay,
but
so,
if
I'm
convicted
of
a
Class,
D
Felony,
let's
say
in
Grayson
County
I
I'll
serve
my
sentence
in
Grayson
County
correct.
Yes,
all
right
and
you
all
have
a
terrific
work
program.
But
now,
if
I'm
convicted
of
let's
say
a
Class
D
Felony
in
Rockcastle,
County
I'll
serve
my
sentence.
There.
Correct
I
won't
have
the
can
I
be
transferred
to
Pulaski
County.
N
Yes,
you
can
be
transferred
and
we
do
that
with
between
ourselves.
If,
if
I'm
needing
workers,
then
I
might
contact
one
of
these
guys
and
say
hey,
do
you
have
any
workers
you
can
spare,
or
vice
versa?
So
just
because
you
got
sentenced
in
Rockcastle,
County
doesn't
mean
you'll
stay
in
Rockcastle
County
for
your
entire,
but.
D
The
sentence,
if
I'm
transferred
that's
up
to
the
Jailer,
not
up
to
Corrections
or
anybody
else,
correct.
Yes,
all
right,
so
I
guess
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
and
I've
been
talking
with
jayler
McCollum
behind
you.
There
he's
got
one
of
the
best
work
programs
in
the
state
with
an
education
component
and
provides
a
lot
of
opportunity.
You
know
if
you
can
go
through
one
of
his
cohorts.
D
One
of
my
biggest
concerns
is:
is
we've
just
kind
of
got
a
patchwork
of
programs
throughout
the
state
with
all
74
facilities
like
you
all
I
have
no
doubt,
in
my
mind,
run
phenomenal
programs,
but
some
jails
don't
offer
that
or
they
don't
offer
the
same
opportunities
and
I
do
think.
It's
important
that
when
we
look
kind
of
into
the
future
and
see
where
this
is
going,
we
need
something
standardized
more
standardized.
D
D
Of
vacancies
right
and
to
me,
you
know
if
he's
running
a
good
program
and
I
know
he
is
because
he's
told
me
about
it,
but
he
can't
get
people
to
fill
spots
and
then
we've
got
some
of
these
other
communities
that
might
not
have
as
good
a
programming
or
as
run
as
good
a
gel
as
him
I
feel
like
we're
doing
a
disservice
to
to
not
only
our
counties
but
also
to
the
inmates
themselves
and
so
I,
don't
know.
If
it's
more
of
a
question
or
more
of
a
statement.
N
N
Think
you'll
find
a
lot
of
the
jails
are,
are
doing
more
of
the
educational
programs
than
what
they
used
to
do.
There's
a
little
bit
of
a
hindrance
there
on
the
financial
side
of
it,
because
you
have
to
have
certified
individuals
to
teach
those
programs
which
takes
a
higher
salary.
And
then
you
know
sometimes
our
options
aren't
real
good
with
that.
So
we're
sometimes
a
little
bit
limited
on
that
end
of
it
and.
D
A
Thank
you
chairman
for
those
comments.
One
one
thing
I
might
add
too,
is
that
just
but
the
all
the
work
programs
have
are
having
trouble
getting
inmates
now,
even
the
even
the
good
ones,
I
mean
I
know.
Boone
County
has
all
kinds
of
vacancies,
but
for
your
Point's
well
taken
and
thank
you
for
making
making
it
anyone
else,
any
other
questions
from
anybody
else,
questions
or
comments
from
the
task
force.
A
Okay,
we've
got
a
few
more
minutes.
Do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
from
the
jailers.
A
C
Well,
Barry
Brady!
Thank
you
chairman
schickel.
We
have
a
297
bed
facility.
128
beds
of
those
are
South
program
and
80
of
them
are
sore.
Soar
is
an
Aftercare
program.
They
have
to
complete
sap
first
before
they
go
in
the
sword.
So
in
the
soar
program
we're
putting
these
individuals,
our
portion
of
these
individuals
are
in
the
low
custody,
part
of
the
jail
and
they're
going
out
to
work
and
doing
government
projects,
whether
it's
sanitation,
dog
pounds,
City
water
and
we've
actually
had
some
real
success
for
inmates.
Actually
a
few
two
inmates.
C
Currently
former
inmates
are
working
with
our
our
city,
water
company,
because
they
got
certified
while
working
in
the
inmate
program
and
then
after
they
made
parole,
they
moved
to
Marion
County
and
took
jobs
with
the
the
Lebanon
water
company.
So
it's
a
it's,
been
a
big
success
in
that
portion
of
it.
The
the
thing
that
that
I'm
gonna
bring
up
real,
quick.
Just
one
one
comment:
it
was
made
by
our
County
my
County
Judge
David
Doherty
this
past
this
week.
C
He
would
he
left
to
go
on
vacation,
so
he
started
looking
for
a
place
to
board
the
the
family
pet
and
after
you
got
the
checking
on
that
you're.
Looking
at
Cost,
anywhere
from
35
to
65
dollars
a
day
to
board
a
a
pet
and
and
the
owner
has
to
bring
the
food
and
provide
for
medical.
C
So
what
what
we've
done
in
our
partnership
with
the
Department
of
Corrections
is
the
the
Kentucky
jailers
have
done
a
phenomenal
job
over
the
years
keeping
housing
the
inmates
Dan
is
professionals
we
possibly
can
at
the
same
time
is,
is
what
we've
increased
and
added
to
the
to
the
responsibilities
of
Housing,
and
that
is
with
programs.
When
you
take
my
facility,
it's
209
27
beds,
but
I
I
have
I,
have
208
of
them
are
under
contract
with
education
and
work,
so
I
mean
it's.
C
M
Thanks
Senator,
I
guess
what
you
know:
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
things
right
now.
Senator
I
appreciate
your
comments
on
it.
We've
known
each
other
a
day
or
two
and
I
think
our
philosophies
are
pretty
close,
but
the
the
other
thing
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
is
all
of
our
art
things.
You
know
all
all
politics
are
local
right.
So
when
you
look
at
local
jails,
it's
really
critically
important
to
follow
up
on.
We.
K
M
M
We're
not
for
jail
people,
because
it's
cheap
right.
It's
not
cheap
work,
but
it's
inexpensive.
So
we
do
a
lot
of
social
programs
for
a
very
inexpensive
price
and
those
serve
our
communities.
Well,
whether
you
know
I
mean
whether
I'm
painting
fire
hydrants,
whether
I'm
paying
fire
departments
because
County
Police
Department
the
Fiscal
Court.
All
of
those
things
are
done
by
by
inmates
at
a
substantially
reduced
rate.
They
probably
wouldn't
be
done
if
it
weren't
for
us
doing
them.
The
other
good
part
about
that
is
is
I,
think
it
might
have
been
representative
Bray.
M
They
are
getting
real
skills.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
how
many
prisoners
we've
had
that
have
worked
in
these
programs
and
then
have
gone
to
work
for
different
cities
or
different
entities
in
Campbell,
County
and
again
I.
As
a
side
note,
you
know,
I've
got
I've
got
a
restricted
custody
Center
that
I
could
close
down
since
covid,
because
I
you
know
half
staffed
right
where
normally
I
would
save
millions
of
dollars
a
year
now
I'm,
probably
half
of
that.
A
Thank
you,
hey
I'm,
losing
members,
Mr,
President
and
so
I
think
I
need
to
adjourn.
I've
gone
gone
over
what
I've
need
to
go
I'm
going
to
have
you
all
back
I
appreciate
you
coming
I
appreciate
the
Department
of
Corrections
coming
chairman
Petrie.
I
Just
real,
quick
and
I
know
you're
trying
to
close
out
is
there
a
way
that
the
association
or
someone
can
try
to
get
the
same
type
of
data
were
requested
on
Doc.
Similarly
of
what
programs
are
available
across
the
state,
some
survey
index
spreadsheet.
Just
so
we've
got
an
idea
of.
When
did
the
program
come
into
existence?
Where
is
it
at
how
many
people
are
in
it?
Three
or
four
things
like
that?
Just
so,
we've
got
an
idea
and
we
can
see
that
across
the
entire
Commonwealth
would
be
helpful
if
I.