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A
I
will
start
by
saying
I'm
co-chair
of
the
task
force
for
the
house
and
also
serve
as
chairman
of
the
house
local
government
committee,
so
many
of
the
the
legislation
that
comes
through
dealing
with
these
issues
when
we
get
into
session
deal
with
deal
with
our
committee.
So,
madam
secretary,
if
you
want
to,
please
call
the
roll.
If
you
are
on
zoom-
and
you
are
a
member
of
the
task
force-
please
let
us
know
whether
you
are
in
your
home
district
or
in
your
frankfurt
office,
as
the
role
is
called.
B
B
Thank
you,
co-chair
howell.
A
Here
in
person
we
have
a
quorum,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
are
duly
constituted
to
do
business.
We
will
start
senator
hal
if
you'd
like
to
just
introduce
yourself
real,
quick
and
then
we'll
just
kind
of
go
around.
D
I'm
jason
howell,
I'm
a
senator
from
the
first
district.
My
main
interest
in
this
is
I'm
an
attorney
and
probably
80
of
my
total
practice
is
real
estate
oriented,
so
I've
got
probably
as
much
or
more
skin
in
the
game
on
this
directly
as
anybody
on
the
panel.
F
I
am
very
interested
in
trying
to
you
know,
streamline
the
clerk's
offices
in
such
a
way
that
is
both
considerate
of
the
financial
difficulties
that
many
rural
clerks
offices
are
having,
while
at
the
same
time
providing
the
most
access
for
our
public
and
businesses.
So
I'm
proud
to
be
a
part
of
this
committee.
B
G
B
Yes,
I'm
representative
bridges
from
the
third
district
and
last
interim
I
co-chaired
with
senator
mills
the
pva
special
task
force
and
with
the
project
going
on
here
with
the
clerks,
I
believe
they
would
tie
together.
So
I
was
asked
to
be
on
this
task
force.
H
Patrick
flannery
representative
for
the
96th
district,
I'm
happy
to
be
a
part
of
this
task
force.
The
county
clerk's
office
touches
the
lives
of
so
many
people
in
every
county
and
they
obviously
are
the
keeper
of
records
on
for
businesses
and
land
records
and
other
records,
but
primarily
function
as
as
something
for
consumers.
So
this
is
something
important
that
will
affect
all
of
our
constituents
and
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
this
task
force.
A
As
I
mentioned,
I
chair,
the
house.
Local
government
committee
also
represent
the
19th
district,
which
is
edmondson
and
warren
county,
and
on
top
of
that,
my
by
trade-
I
am
a
banker,
so
I
deal
directly
on
an
almost
daily
basis
with
the
county.
Clerk's
offices
as
well
have
good
relationships
in
those
local
offices.
In
fact,
my
cousin
is
our
our
county
clerk
in
edmondson
county
and
so
work
back
and
forth
with
them
fairly
regularly.
A
At
this
time,
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
our
presentations
for
the
day.
We
will
follow
along
with
the
agenda.
I
think
at
this
time.
So
if
the
representatives
of
the
kentucky
county
clerks
association
would
come
forward,
if
you
would,
when
you
get
to
the
table,
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
then
you
all
can
proceed
with
your
testimony.
I
I
One
is
tabitha
clemens
grant
county,
we
have
kenny
barger
from
madison
county
jason,
denney
from
anderson
county,
and
we
also
have
tabitha
clemens
and
I'm
sorry
gabe
summey
from
kenton
county
and
debbie
donnelly
with
us
all
clerks
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
hearing
us
today.
I
I
want
to
be
honest
and
real.
When
I
heard
about
this
task
force,
I
was
a
little
taken
back
because
it's
kind
of
something
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
us
when
someone
says
hey,
we
think
we
can
improve
your
your
job
and,
to
be
honest,
that
was
that
was
a
little
dis,
disheartening
and
alarming.
I
But
as
I
looked
and
and
kind
of
realized
the
entities
that
were
involved
in
the
heart
behind
this
and
put
my
ego
aside,
I
realized
that
we
were
all
stakeholders
in
this
and
that
our
passion
to
help
our
citizens
and
our
communities-
we
don't
have
the
monopoly
on
that.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
all
the
realtors,
the
bankers,
all
those
stakeholders
that
are
here
today
and
that
are
conducting
this
task
force
to
help
us
do
a
lot
of
the
good
things
that
we
have
already
started.
I
I
So
just
a
little
history.
The
election
bill
house
574
that
just
passed
this
last
session,
the
clerks
were
involved
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
it
ended
up
being
a
very
well
received
and
a
good
piece
of
legislation.
Obviously,
no
piece
of
legislation
is
perfect,
but
with
a
with
the
cooperation
for
all
the
stakeholders
to
be
involved
in
that
and
the
work
that
led
up
to
the
success
of
that
is
encouraging
when
we
start
looking
at
how
to
modernize
modernize
the
clerk's
clerk's
office.
I
So
thank
you
and
we
appreciate
you
all
allowing
us
to
be
here.
Tabitha
does
have
the
powerpoint
I'm
going
to
let
her
take
point
on
that
and
I
do
have
a
few
closing
remarks
afterwards,
but
I
just
really
appreciate
the
thoughtfulness
for
having
us
here
today
and
the
the
heart
behind
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
today.
So
thank
you
on
tabitha
I'll.
Let
you
take.
C
Okay,
so
again,
just
to
echo
what
he
said.
We
are
very
appreciative
to
be
here
and
to
share
with
you
some
things
that
we
have
found
in
conducting
a
survey
throughout
the
members
of
our
association.
All
120
county
clerks
were
invited
to
participate
in
in
this
survey,
and
105
did
participate,
which
is
great,
considering
it
was
all
promoted,
basically
through
our
email
and
through
a
few
announcements
at
some
meetings.
C
But
during
the
time
that
we
were
taking
these,
we
were
not
really
meeting
in
person.
So
this
was
really
great
participation
on
the
part
of
the
clerks.
Almost
90
percent
of
the
county
clerks
responded
and
some
interesting
things.
Statistics
is
what
we're
we're
going
to
share
with
you
today,
56
percent
of
the
county
clerks,
who
responded
have
less
than
two
full-time
deputies
in
the
recording
department.
So
you're
not
talking
about
really
large
departments
with
lots
of
deputies
working.
I
think
that
it's
important
to
note
that
and
then
to
take
it
a
step.
C
Further,
almost
96
percent
of
county
clerks
have
less
than
five
full-time
deputies
in
the
the
recording
department.
So
when
we're
looking
at
modernization,
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
there's
not
there's
not
a
lot
of
people
that
we're
talking
about
over.
You
know
over
the
course
of
a
day
recording
in
our
county
clerk's
offices.
C
C
Your
records,
96
counties
have
the
capability
of
searching
electronically,
so
we're
not
back
to
paper
and
books.
There
are
10
counties
that
do
not
offer
that,
but
again
96
do
so
what
a
great
start,
the
population
of
the
county
clerks
who
completed
the
survey,
I
think
a
lot
of
times.
I
come
from
a
rural
county
right
on
75
in
between
cincinnati
and
lexington
a
lot
of
times
what
happens.
C
C
So
it's
we
have
such
a
vast
state,
and
I
think
that
this
this
graft
certainly
shows
that
48
of
the
people
who
responded
have
under
20
000
in
population
almost
half,
then
twenty
thousand
and
two
forty
thousand
there's
twenty
six
of
us
and
then
forty
thousand
to
seventy
thousand
eleven
and
then
eight
counties
that
are
over
seventy
thousand
and
the
funding
for
those
counties
that
are
over
70
000
works
very
differently
in
county
clerk's
offices
versus
those
of
us
who
are
smaller.
C
C
Most
county
clerk's
offices
are
overwhelmingly
work
and
have
our
recording
departments
open
more
than
37
hours
a
week
and
that
that
range
is
true
for
over
80
percent
of
county
clerks,
there's
about
a
14
gap
there
of
county
clerks
that
use
their
that
have
their
recording
department,
open,
34
to
36
hours
and
then
a
very
small
percentage
30
to
33
hours,
which
happens
to
be
some
of
the
smallest
counties
that
have
very,
very
limited
staff.
C
C
A
large
majority
of
us
did,
70
percent
of
us
allowed
free
records
a
lot
of
the
ones
who
maybe
didn't
still
had
appointment
schedules
that
they
were
allowing
limited
amount
of
people
in
their
recording
areas
at
certain
times,
so
just
just
an
area
of
opportunity
for
us
to
learn
from
from
the
pandemic.
C
C
C
That
is
that's
remarkable.
I
mean
really
it
it's
remarkable,
especially
from
my
perspective.
I
came
into
the
county
clerk's
office
in
2015
to
an
office
that
did
not
have
one
document
scanned
electronically.
C
There
was
indexes,
but
there
was
not
any
document
that
was
scanned
and
we're
back
35
years
now,
so
in
a
short
amount
of
time.
Realistically,
for
the
years
that
we
have
records,
we
were
able
to
do
that,
but
it
was
through
grant
funding
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
in
a
minute.
But
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
only
seven
percent
of
the
counties
who
responded
have
no
records
online
at
this
time.
So,
while
some
people
may
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
records
that
are
not
online
really,
the
statistics
speak
for
themselves.
C
There
are
a
lot
more
than
what
even
I
thought
so
mortgages
mortgages
tend
to
take
longer
because
the
documents
representative,
meredith,
I'm
sure
you
can
attest
those
banker-
documents
that
we
get
in
sometimes
mortgages
can
be
25
to
30
pages.
Now
my
office
actually
recorded
one
for
some
power
lines
that
was
over
200
pages
a
couple
years
ago.
We
couldn't
believe
it.
We
almost
filled
up
a
book
with
that
mortgage,
so
it
does
take
longer
to
scan
those
documents,
which
is
why
there's
81.81
percent
for
a
30-year
search
so
still
a
remarkable
number.
C
So,
let's
see
we
went
through
several
different
documents
that
a
recorder
that
a
searcher
would
need
less
pendants
again
about
75
percent
are
available
online
for
a
30-year
search,
and
then
wills
are
a
little
higher
than
that
because
they
become
historical
documents.
All
of
these
documents
that
we're
talking
about
are
permanent
records
of
the
county
clerk's
office.
So
when
we're
talking
about
permanent,
it
means
forever.
C
They
are
forever
to
be
held
in
our
office
and
there's
a
cost
to
that.
It
costs
money
to
keep
those
records
up
so
again
will
76
are
available
for
a
30-year
search.
C
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
information
can
be
gleaned
through
genealogy
based
off
a
marriage
license.
So
65
percent
of
county
clerks
have
marriage
license
that
are
available
online
for
a
30-year
search
and
then
encumbrances
is
a
little
bit
higher
than
that
at
68
for
a
30-year
search.
And
if
you
have
questions
along
the
way,
don't
hesitate
to
stop
me
so
e-recording.
C
So
in
2019,
in
that
session
there
was
a
task
force
that
was
developed
to
help
the
recording
departments
and
to
figure
out
e-recording,
and
that
task
force
was
very
successful
and
it
was
able
to
be
implemented
in
january
of
2020.
C
well
within
the
first
few
months
of
2020,
many
clerks
signed
on
and
was
ready
to
start
e-recording,
and
they
did
so.
25
of
them
were
were
pretty
quick
to
get
on
board
and
then
covet
hit,
and
then
county
clerks
were
strapped
with.
How
are
we
going
to
conduct
a
presidential
election
when
we
have
to
keep
people
separated?
We
have
to
get
poll
workers
to
still
want
to
work
that
they're
not
nervous
and
scared
for
their
own
health
to
work,
and
then
we
turned
into
mail
houses.
We
were
mailing
more
ballots
than
we've
ever
mailed.
C
So,
even
though
this
went
into
effect
in
january
2020-
and
I
think
that
all
of
us
who
have
who
have
been
part
of
kcca
for
a
good
while
thought
that
we
would
have
more
clerks,
e-recording
the
pandemic
kid
and
it
slowed
down
the
process.
So
we
couldn't
have
people
come
in
and
train
us
on
how
to
accept
those
electronic
documents,
because
they
weren't
permitted
in
our
offices
because
of
executive
orders
that
existed.
C
So,
while
there's
only
25
who
are
currently
accepting
e-recordings.
I
think
that
there
is
a
a
good
bit
of
people
who
are
excited
about
the
opportunity
I
being
one
of
them.
I
wanted
to
be
one
of
the
first
ones.
I'm
sure
that
my
vendor
would
tell
you.
I
was
on
the
phone
with
them
pretty
regularly
in
2019
to
try
to
be
one
of
the
first
ones,
and
then
things
got
shifted
because
of
the
pandemic.
But
what
was
interesting
to
us
was
that
of
72
of
the
clerks
who
are
not
e-recording
at
this
time.
C
So
some
interesting
things
about
county
clerk's
offices,
county
clerks,
are
fee
offices
and
we
have
to
operate
off
of
the
money
that
we
bring
into
the
office.
There's
not
tax
money,
that's
just
sitting!
You
know.
Every
year
after
a
property
tax
collection
sitting
there
for
us
to
budget,
we
have
to
budget
what
we
think
we're
going
to
bring
in.
So
when
the
market
is
good
and
things
are
selling
and
there's
property
moving,
we
have
more
recorded
documents
and
we
can
bring
in
more
money.
We
have
more
cars
being
sold.
C
We
can
bring
in
money
on
the
motor
vehicle
side
when
those
things
go
down,
so
does
the
operating
budgets
of
our
office,
so
that's
important
to
keep
in
mind
most
county
clerks
start
every
year
off
with
a
zero
dollar
bank
balance.
That's
my
county!
That's
chris's
county!
The
large
counties
operate
differently,
as
I
said
earlier,
but
most
of
our
counties
start
every
year
with
zero
dollars
in
the
bank,
so
think
about
that
at
your
for
your
home
or
for
your
business
every
year.
C
Whatever
you
have
in
the
bank
at
the
end
of
that
year,
you
can't
touch,
and
you
start
january,
and
you
have
to
make
payroll
in
three
to
four
days.
That's
me
every
year
my
household
knows
that
at
the
start
of
the
year,
mom's
nervous
because
she
has
to
make
payroll
and
she
has
to
make
sure
her
deputies
get
paid
and
that
when
we
start
talking
about
modernizing
and
changing
things,
it
makes
us
nervous
because
we
have
a
budget
to
adhere
to,
and
we
have
a
way
that
we're
doing
that
now.
C
So
it's
important
for
us
to
keep
that
in
mind.
Then.
D
Money
can
can
I
help
you
and
ask
yourself
going
back
to
your
payroll
issue.
I
don't
know.
I
doubt
this
was
in
part
of
your
survey
or
anything.
But
do
you
have
a
feel
at
all
of
how
many
of
your
clerks
start
the
year
making
payroll
by
loaning
personal
money
into
accounts
just
to
make
the
payroll,
because
some
of
them
can't
generate
it
fast
enough.
C
Correct
so
there's
a
fund
for
counties
that
are
smaller
than
20
000
that
they
get
a
stipend
out
of
the
motor
vehicle
side
of
the
office.
There's
a
dollar
attributed-
and
I
believe
it's
the
third
dollar
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
somebody's
third
dollar,
the
third
dollar
of
the
registrations
go
into
a
an
account
for
small
counties
and
they
get
that
influx
and
cash
to
their
offices.
C
Then
there's
those
of
us
who
are
above
that
threshold
by
like
5
000
people
like
me,
that
we
don't
get
that
influx
of
cash.
You
there
are
ways
to
borrow
money
to
start
off
the
year,
but
it
has
to
be
paid
back.
It's
not
like
it
can
be
a
whole
year
loan,
but
it's
short
term.
I
don't
have
an
exact
number
for
you
on
that,
but
if
you're
interested
in
that,
we
can
certainly
gather
it.
I
think.
D
I
I
would
want
to
go
back
to
the
third
dollar
that
is
collected
from
every
county
clerk
during
the
motor
vehicle
side.
So
it's
it's
not
that
now,
obviously
the
borrowing
the
money
would
come
from
the
county,
as
my
assumption
is
the
physical
court,
but.
I
I
C
I
agree.
Thank
you,
thank
you
and
then.
Lastly,
on
this
slide,
when
that
e-recording
task
force
was
meeting,
there
was
a
10
storage
fee
to
help
retain
that
permanent
record
and
that
storage
fee
at
that
time
was
agreed
to
be
kept
in
the
county.
Clerk's
offices
for
the
four-year
term,
and
it's
not
permitted
by
the
auditor
dlg
and
the
fees
must
be
turned
over
to
the
fiscal
court.
C
So
that
fee
was
to
be
dedicated
for
equipment
upgrades
to
bring
some
of
these
counties
to
to
being
able
to
have
their
documents
online
and
then
also
to
to
be
able
to
help
us
digitize
more
documents
to
be
able
to
have
a
source
of
funding
to
be
able
to
preserve
those
forever
documents
for
a
longer
capacity,
and
that
money
is
now
currently
being
turned
over
to
the
fiscal
court's.
A
And
tabitha,
if
I
might,
that
was
something
that
we
discussed,
jason
and
kenny
were
here
for
a
meeting
during
the
during
the
session
earlier
this
year,
along
with
the
business
community,
and
that
was
something
we
discussed
significantly
during
that
time
period,
and
I
will
be
honest
with
you.
I
think
that
that
probably
needs
to
extend
to
not
just
the
clerk's
term
but
but
be
a
more
permanent
thing.
A
I
think
it's
been
an
interpretation
of
the
auditor's
office
more
so
than
an
intent
at
the
legislature.
On
that
specific
issue.
The
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
ask-
and
you
mentioned
that
third
dollar
fund.
I
know
my
my
small
county
clerk,
which
is
a
county
of
about
12
000,
give
or
take
a
couple
hundred
folk.
A
They
mentioned
getting
some
funding
through
the
state
and
I'm
assuming
that's
what
it
was,
but
because
of
the
timing
of
that
they
had
to
go
on
and
basically
turn
that
money
directly
over
to
the
fiscal
court
and
were
not
able
to
use
it
in
their
office.
The
first
couple
of
years
that
they
received
it.
Have
you
all
heard
that.
C
A
Okay-
and
I
know
as
as
we
go
through
this-
and
I
know
we
have
folks
from
a
lot
of
different
sectors
here-
I
think
the
county
judges
association,
the
fiscal
courts-
will
be
involved
in
some
of
these
discussions,
as
we
move
forward
with
the
task
force
over
the
next
couple
of
months
as
well,
because,
obviously,
that
intertwines
with
them,
but
especially
on
this
10
fee.
The
thing
that
I've
always
said
was
that's
a
relatively
new
fee
that
I
don't
think
any
county
is
counting
on
for
for
funding
right
now.
C
Okay
and
just
to
elaborate
on
the
auditing
every
county,
clerk's
audited,
you
know
yearly
on
the
motor
vehicle
side
separately
from
the
fee
office,
so
it
could
easily
be
incorporated.
I'm
sure,
into
that
yearly.
Audit.
C
All
right,
so
this
is
another
piece
of
the
puzzle
for
county
clerks.
It's
the
kentucky
department
of
libraries
and
archives.
So
there
was
there's
grants
that
we
can
apply
for
twice
a
year.
The
money
is
solely
collected
by
the
county
clerks.
There
are
no
other
entities
within
government
that
collect
funding
for
the
kdla
grants.
C
C
There's
two
cycles
again
because
we're
going
to
talk
about
those
in
a
second,
but
it
was
just
over
12
only
12
were
awarded
in
2021,
so
we
have
seen
a
significant
decrease
in
the
amount
of
grant
funding
coming
into
the
county.
Clerk's
offices
and
there's
been
conversations
on
the
side
with
that
cabinet,
specifically
about
those
grants
in
the
process,
but
we
do
want
to
share
this
with
you
all.
Go
ahead.
Do.
C
No,
the
funding
has
went
up,
we
have
seen
more
recorded,
so
it's
based
off
of
the
number
of
recorded
documents
in
our
office
is
what
the
funding
is
based
off
of
for
every
recorded
document.
There's
a
there's,
a
dollar
amount
that
goes
into
this
fund
we've
seen
a
significant
as
you
all
can
imagine
real
estate
and
many
parts
of
the
commonwealth
is
selling.
I
mean
you
can't
find
a
house
in
my
county
right
now.
I
had
every
day
on
facebook
in
my
feed.
C
That's
all
that
I
see
are
my
realtor
friends
begging
people
to
sell
their
property
because
you
can't
find
a
home
in
our
county
and
the
funding
went
up.
There.
There's
been
some
changes
in
in
the
representatives
that
we
have
that
come
out
to
our
counties.
We
don't
they
haven't
been
coming
out,
obviously
in
2021,
be
or
2020
because
of
covid,
but
that
connection
that
we
had
at
one
time
with
our
representatives
from
kdla
has
changed
significantly.
I'm
sure
chris
would
agree
with
that.
I
B
E
A
D
So,
just
to
give
you
some
can
I
have
a
can.
I
have
a
follow-up
question.
D
This
increase
in
in
the
housing
market
and
and
the
the
churn
that
we've
seen
really
didn't
even
start
in
2020.
In
a
lot
of
our
areas,
it
was
2018
into
2019,
so
there
would
have
been
a
time
for
that
for
that
to
bankroll
in
there
have
we
seen
any
kind
of
recent
increase
in
kdla
funding
grants
as
far
as
number
or
amount
in
the
grants
have
we
seen
any
increase
in
those
in
the
last
year
or
so.
C
C
Cities,
police
agencies
that
are
trying
to
become
online
with
their
documents.
My
understanding,
some
libraries
possibly
could
have
applied,
so
any
other
government
entity
that
would
have
records
can
do
that.
Many
of
them
are
not
permanent
record
holders,
though,
is
is
the
important
thing
to
note
so
just
just
to
kind
of
scan.
Through
this
funding
in
2018
county
clerks
received
over
1
million
dollars
in
funding
and
the
other
entities
received
about
37
000
in
2019,
it
decreased
to
where
county
clerks
received
just
over
700
000
and
other
entities
got
about
200
000.
in
2020.
C
Some
of
those
grants
were
not
awarded
at
all
the
money.
The
money
stayed
at
kdla,
so
the
next
slide
highlights
a
few
highlights
of
the
second
cycle,
which
is
where
we
saw
the
significant
decrease
down
to
the
fact
that
zero
county
clerks
were
awarded
any
grant.
Funding
in
the
second
cycle
of
2021
and
2021
cycle
is
actually
applied
for,
like
in
advance
you're,
applying
you're
applying
for
that
in
advance.
C
C
I
applied
for
my
first
grant
and
I
hadn't
been
in
office,
but
a
couple
months
and
was
able
to
be
awarded,
which
is
the
way
that
it
should
be.
In
our
opinion.
You
know
we
need
that
resource
of
those
experts
who
are
in
archives
that
can
come
and
help
us
assess
and
look
at
our
records
and
say.
Okay,
this
is
what
we
need
to
do,
and
this
is
how
we
need
to
get
there
and
that
that
relationship
is
just
really
went
downhill.
C
The
last
few
years,
so
we
were
encouraged
by
kdla
in
the
second
cycle
of
21,
as
we
were
expressing
some
concerns
to
send
the
grant
proposals
to
the
regional
administrators
since
they
couldn't
come
out
to
the
offices,
send
them
in
electronically.
Let
them
review
them
and
then
send
them
back.
Nine
of
the
14
counties
who
submitted
did
that
and
zero
were
awarded
county
clerks
collected
more
funding
in
2020,
which
would
fund
the
2021
cycles.
C
Then,
prior
years,
yet
we
didn't
receive
a
return
on
our
investment
with
the
kdla
program
or
the
regional
administrators,
so
that
was
that
was
it's
just
disheartening
to
us
when
we
see
the
money
that
we're
sending
out
every
month
in
our
monthly
reports
to
kdla
to
not
see
that
funding
come
back
into
our
counties,
which
is
what
it
was
meant
to
do,
but
you
can
see
in
that
prior
graph,
you
know
how
significantly
the
funding
went
down.
I
mean
it's
a
drastic
drop
for
us.
C
C
I
I
I
just
had
a
couple
of
closing
remarks
and-
and
I
think
more
than
anything,
I
think
I
want
everyone
here
to
realize
and
I
think
our
our
data
proves
that
the
clerks
and
the
clerks
association
we
are
not
opposed
to
modernization.
I
So
you
know
that
I
think
we
have
seen
that
through
covet,
we've
had
several
county
clerks
that
have
had
a
different
route
on
how
to
manage
and
navigate
through
those
waters,
so
that
was
very
difficult
on
the
clerks
that
are
already
doing
what
I
think
you
all
are
asking
us
to
do,
but
in
all
reality
the
vast
majority
are
are
working
towards
getting
the
modernization
to
that
level.
One
other
thing
is
some
of
the
other.
I
I
I
Humorously
relates
to
my
deputy
in
our
recording
as
the
deed
nazi,
but
she
is
passionate
about
getting
it
right
and
because
she
is
passionate
about
what
she
does.
She
has
saved
a
lot
of
our
realtors
in
our
local
area
and
my
county
attorney
from
litigation,
and
I
think
that's
that
should
be
noted
that
the
county
clerks
of
this
commonwealth
are
are
professionals
and
we
really
are
passionate
about
what
we
do
and
sometimes
passion
can
be
confused
with
being
contrary.
I
We're
not
contrary.
We
want
to
help
our
citizens
and
we
want
to
see
this
be
successful,
so
we're
here
to
listen
we're
here
to
help
in
any
way
we
can-
and
we
just
appreciate
being
at
the
table
today
and
going
forward.
So
thank
you
all.
A
And
as
chair
of
this
committee,
I
want
to
appreciate
you
all
for
putting
together
the
survey
to
us,
so
we
know
kind
of
where
the
state
stands
as
a
whole.
On
this
I
think
you're
right,
there's
a
lot
of
clerks
offices
who
have
made
major
strides
over
the
last
few
years
and
are
moving
in
the
right
direction.
A
We
just
are
now
going
to
have
to
figure
out
how
to
push
some
of
those
other
ones
along
a
little
bit
more,
maybe
as
we
move
through
that,
but
I
think
this
data
that
you
all
have
provided
is
is
very
important
as
we
move
forward
through
this
process.
So
thank
you
all
for
getting
that
for
us
center
meals.
B
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
just
one
point
of
clarification:
I
probably
missed
it.
You
probably
said
what
it
was.
What
is
the
kdl
a
fee
per
filing?
Is
that
a
percentage
is
that
a
dollar
fee,
or
what
is
that?
How
much
is
that.
I
B
I
C
A
D
Howe
yeah,
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
something
representative.
Meredith
said
the
fact
that
you
have
105
out
of
120
respond
to
your
survey
shows
how
important
this
is
to
the
clerk's
offices
and
how
attentive
they
are.
We
appreciate
that
everybody
appreciates
that,
especially
someone
who
is
somewhat
lacks
on
filling
out
surveys
and
forms,
sometimes,
but
out
of
the
15
counties
that
didn't
participate
in
the
survey.
Do
we
have
any
kind
of
feel
on
where
they
are
on
the
digitization
process?.
C
I
share
I
mean
I
shared
the
list
with
some
of
those
around
the
table
at
our
pregame
meeting,
so
to
speak.
So
I
think
that
there's
some
that
that
did
not
complete
the
survey
that
that
are
probably
in
the
same
place
that
chris
chris
and
I
are
in
they
have
30
years
back
and
then
there's
a
few
counties
that
I
know
that
are
on
the
list.
That
probably
don't
have
access
at
all
online.
So
I
don't
think
that
it's.
I
don't
think
that
we
have
like
overwhelmingly.
The
15
are
all
not
online.
C
That's
not
that's
not
the
case.
I
think
some
were
probably
more
like
you
as
you
self-admitted
that
your
lacks
on
committing
to
filling
out
a
survey.
You
don't
take
the
time
I
even
got
down
to
the
point
to
where
I
had
an
average
number
of
minutes
that
it
took
to
complete
the
survey.
So
the
last
few
stragglers
that
we
had
I
tried
to
encourage.
I
was
like
it's
less
than
10
minutes.
You
know
I
mean
what
do
you
do?
That's
less
than
10
minutes
these
days.
I
And
in
in
their
defense,
I
will
say
this
about
many
clerks
throughout
the
state:
they're
not
just
sitting
in
their
office,
but
they're,
actually
on
the
front
lines,
they're
actually
doing
the
recording,
they're
actually
transferring
the
vehicles.
We
have
a
strong
group
of
individuals
that
are
just
passionate
about
their
community
and
they're,
helping
in
any
way
they
can,
whether
they're
helping
the
citizens
or
they're
actually
jumping
on
the
front
line
and
helping
the
staff.
So
they
may
not
have
had
time
during
their
day-to-day
business
to
do
that.
D
C
A
A
Online
all
right,
seeing
none
if
you
all
want
to
stick
around
in
case
other
questions
arise.
That
would
be
great
but
appreciate
you
all
being
here.
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
get
to
the
same
goal
here,
just
knowing
that
as
we
grow
in
a
technology
savvy
society
and
and
as
we
grow
as
a
more
global
economy,
how
do
we
make
all
that
work
inside
the
confines
of
all
the
the
the
state
and
local
agencies
that
we've
had
dealing
with
these
issues
over
the
years?
So
appreciate
the
good
information
you
all
provided?
Thank
you.
A
I
think
the
the
business
coalition
groups
want
to
kind
of
come
up
collectively
as
a
group.
So
if
you
all
would
now
come
on
up
to
the
table
and
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
and
who
you
represent
specifically,
would
appreciate
that
I
think
we've
got
one
participant
with
them
online
as
well.
A
So
we'll
let
the
we'll
let
the
folks
in
the
room
introduce
themselves
first
and
then
we'll
give
our
our
virtual
participant
an
opportunity
as
well.
E
Okay,
I
guess
I'm
listed
first,
so
I'll
go
ahead.
First,
I
want
to
say
that
I
love
the
presentation
that
the
county
clerks
made.
I
was
both
excited
by
the
information
that
was
shared
as
well
as
disheartened.
By
the
same
things
they
were
disheartened
by.
I
think
it's
a
shame
that
we've
put
into
legislation
certain
fees
that
are
supposed
to
help
them
improve
their
records
and
their
systems
and
they're
not
able
to
use
those
fees.
So
I
I
thought
that
that
was
a
great
presentation
for
all
of
us.
E
The
whole
point
of
my
presentation
is
just
to
sort
of
tell
you
all
about
the
history
of
where
we've
come
from
and
what
we
experienced
during
covid
and
from
our
perspective,
why
it's
so
very
important,
just
as
you
said
before,
chairman
to
maybe
encourage
some
of
these
folks
to
that,
haven't
moved
to
move
a
little
bit
faster
if
we
can
get
the
funding
and
the
the
resources
that
they
need.
E
We
started
talking
about
it
because
we
started
talking
first
about
central
filing
of
ucc
security
statements
and
we
started
thinking
about
what
are
the
other
things
that
can
be
done
now,
I'm
not
talking
about
necessarily
that
we
were
having
formal
sit-downs
with
with
legislators
and
or
interested
parties,
but
that's
when
we
started
seeing
that
that's
where
we
needed
to
go.
E
E
In
2015,
the
secretary
of
state's
office
started
a
task
force
to
look
at
electronic
and
remote
notarization
as
the
first
step
towards
getting
closer
to
electronic
remote
e-recordings
electronic
searches.
That
sort
of
thing
we
had.
I
think
that
I'm
pretty
sure
that
task
force
went
through
for
two
years,
maybe
even
a
little
bit
longer.
E
Actually
look
at
my
notes
here.
It
went
through
till
legislation
was
introduced
in
2019
on
electronic
notarizations
and
we
had
a
lot
of
good
feedback
from
all
the
interested
parties.
The
clerks
were
in
that
task
force,
bankers,
land,
title
folks,
all
different
sorts
of
people,
and
now
we
do
have
the
capacity
for
electronic
and
remote
notarization
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
which
has
been
very
helpful
and
was
very
helpful
during
covid,
and
we
saw
how
important
it
was.
E
The
legend.
The
legislation
also
included
language
that
would
allow,
but
not
require
county
clerks
and
individuals
to
use
electronic
notarization,
and
I
believe
we
had
a
few.
I
believe
we
had
a
few
county
cl.
Excuse
me
yeah,
a
few
county
clerks
that
have
taken
it
took
advantage
of
that
beforehand.
Actually,
I'm
jumping
ahead
of
myself.
That
was
on
the
the
other
task
force,
because
we
had
another
task
force.
The
other
task
force
is
where
we
actually
started
talking
about
electronic
recording.
E
That
was
a
great
task
for
us
as
well.
We
had
all
the
interested
parties,
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
things,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
were
in
the
middle
of
covid
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Covet
had
started
so
by
the
time
this
task
force
was
over
covet
had
started
and
everything
picked
up
its
face
very
quickly.
We
got
in
a
big
rush.
E
We
thought
we
had
reached
an
agreement.
It
appeared
to
me
that
we
had
reached
an
agreement
that
we
would
start
coming
up
with
some
sort
of
a
staged
process
by
which
the
county
clerks
would
get
electronic
recordings
and
electronic
searching
searches
on
board,
and
maybe
it
was
a
little
too
rushed
because
of
covid.
E
Some
of
our
clerks
have
such
a
small
staff
that
it
was
unfair
to
expect
that
they
would
show
up
when
other
people
were
afraid
to
show
up
for
their
jobs.
We
didn't
know
what
was
coming.
We
were
all
in
fear,
but
at
the
same
time
we
also
had
the
lowest
interest
rates
in
the
history
of
our
country.
That,
since
we've
been
keeping
track
of
this
sort
of
thing
and
people
were
refinancing
homes,
they
were
buying
homes.
E
It
was
amazing
how
many
people
were
buying
homes
in
the
middle
of
cove
and
people
who
were
afraid
to
go
to
work
were
still
buying
homes,
but
so
things
had
to
be
filed
and
county
clerks
were
we
we
surveyed
county
clerks.
We
went
to
their
websites,
we
called
their
offices.
We
would
do
this
regularly
every
couple
of
weeks
to
find
out
what
county
clerks
were
doing
and
county
clerks
were
doing
all
sorts
of
things.
Some
county
clerks
were
going
on
business
as
usual,
some
county
clerks
had
everything
electronic,
so
that
was
fine.
E
Some
county
clerks
were
making
appointments,
which
is
fine.
If
you
were
one
of
the
attorneys,
the
closing
attorneys
that
that
was
able
to
get
an
appointment.
E
But
if
you
weren't,
then,
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
were
stuck,
some
people
were
putting
baskets
outside
on
the
sidewalk,
and
you
were
just
basically
dumping
your
documents
into
this
basket
to
be
filed,
hoping
that
they
would
start
from
the
bottom
up
and
that
everything
wouldn't
get
shuffled
around
so
that
you
would
get
the
same
priority
that
you
were
due
and
that
your
your
title
search
was
still
clean.
E
When
your
loan
closed
lenders
were
having
to
buy
gap,
insurance
gap,
title
insurance
because
they
couldn't
get
a
clean
title
opinion
that
would
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
date
of
closing.
I
mean
there
was
a
lot
of
chaos
for
for
everyone
county
clerks
as
well.
I
understand
that,
but
it
was
a
chaotic
time
and
it
just
showed
us
how
urgent
it
is
now
for
us
to
get
all
of
these
closings
and
recordings
and
searches
done
electronically
or
allowed
to
be
done
on
electronically
by
the
consumer.
There's.
J
E
J
C
E
People
that
would
prefer
to
walk
down
to
the
office
and
that
I'm
sure
that's
fine
to
the
county
clerks,
but
but
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
the
county
clerks
understand
we're
not
trying
to
remove
their
fees.
We
understand
that
they're,
a
fee
based
office,
we're
not
trying
to
get
them
to
limit
employees.
We're
trying
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
system
continues
in
such
a
way
that,
as
things
change
or
as
emergencies
happen,
we
can
still
get
work
done
and
the
pandemic
was
sort
of
a
perfect
storm.
E
If
you
will
but
there's
other
situations
when
you
can
think
of
if
a
county
clerk's
office
just
had
to
close,
because
maybe
there
was
an
emergency
in
that
particular
county,
and
so
lawyers
or
lenders
can't
get
in
to
file
something
that
causes
a
problem,
they
still
need
to
get
their
filings
done
because
we
are
a
record
state,
a
notice,
state
and
and
lenders
and
attorneys
rely
on
that
information.
E
H
Mr
chairman,
members
of
committee,
as
I
said,
my
name
is
john
cooper,
and
I
want
to
talk
more
about
the
funding
side
of
of
this
equation.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that,
and
I
want
to
first
off
my
hat's
off
to
the
county
clerks
for
the
survey.
The
survey
was
well
done.
I
I
hope
to
get
a
copy
of
that
to
further
look
at
that,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
them
for
their
cooperation
during
this
time
period
of
the
pandemic
and
the
work
that
they
did
with
us
and
everybody
had
challenges.
H
County
clerks
are
critical
to
commerce
in
kentucky.
There's
no
question
about
that.
They
absolutely
are
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
learn
that
we're
very
concerned
about
is
the
issue
that's
been
discussed
already
and
that's
the
libraries
and
archives
grant
program,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
a
hard
time.
H
Understanding
is
why
that
grant
program
has
gone
down
to
the,
to
the
extent
that
it
has
when
the
funds
have
actually
gone
up
and
something
that
we
hope
that
this
group
will
will
look
at
and
and
and
get
folks
in
here
to
talk
to
you
about.
Obviously,
the
sweeping
of
funds
is
an
issue,
and
when
you
do
it
that's
more
of
an
issue
between
county
governments
and
county
clerks,
and
but
it
is
something
I
think
that
should
be
looked
at.
H
In
addition
to
that,
there
are
other
economic
challenges
and
impact
challenges.
So
let's
talk
about
arpa
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
we
believe,
would
allow
for
funding
of
such
projects,
which
have
been
impeded
by
by
the
pandemic,
and
I'm
gonna
go
specific
for
for
just
a
second,
as
you
heard
yesterday,
I
think,
mr
chairman,
you
were
in
a
committee
meeting
where
the
secretary
of
finance
said
that
local
governments
could
access
state
funds.
I
believe,
unless
I
misunderstood
him,
I
think
that
was
the
tenor
of
what
what
he
mentioned.
H
If
you,
if
you
look
at
under
the
under
the
arpa
treasury
rules
under
the
us
department
of
treasury,
602,
c1c
and
603
c1c
address
general
government
services
of
both
602
as
the
state
and
territories
in
603
as
municipal
and
county
governments.
H
We
believe
under
that
fund
that
the
that
the
critical
services
includes-
and
it's
listed
specifically
in
software
and
hardware.
We
believe
that
that
if,
if
public
records
domain
is
not
critical
infrastructure,
then
we
don't
know
what
is
they're
they're
critical
to
carrying
on
commerce.
So
we
one
of
the
things
we
would
ask
you
to
do
is
to
get
a
ruling
or
to
get
your
staff
to
research.
Those
areas
of
the
arapa
act
to
see
if
funds
could
be
available,
we
believe
they
should
be.
H
We
as
the
bankers
believe
they
should
be
used
to
help,
particularly
the
smaller
county.
Clerk's
offices
address
the
issue
of
digitizing
their
legacy
documents
which,
and
you
heard
from
the
clerks.
You
know
some
of
those
offices
have
two
people,
one
person,
two
person
in
their
bill
room
and
in
their
document
rooms
they're
going
to
need
help
to
do
that
and
they
need
funding
to
do
that.
H
We
hope
that
you
will
look
to
these
funds
and
try
to
get
a
clarification
when
I,
when
I
reviewed
this
one
of
the
things
it
said
but
said,
the
list
was
not
all-inclusive
and
not
limited
to,
and
it
really
only
talked
about
the
things
you
could
not
do
with
those
funds
under
general
government
services.
So
I
hope
you
guys
will
take
a
look
at
that.
H
We
think
that
it's
that
it's
critical
important
that
we
move
forward
on
this
and
I
I
do
think
the
clerks
have
as
much
interest
in
this
and
not
speak
for
them,
but
I
do
think
they
have
as
much
interest
in
this
as
we
do
and
are
and
from
the
from
their
survey.
I'm
really
I'm
really,
and
you
know,
kind
of
impressed.
C
A
Most
of
what
we're
dealing
with
today
is
going
to
be
property
record
related,
but
I
know
this
arpa
funding
request
was
going
to
come
up,
and
so
we
are
going
to
deal
with
motor
vehicle
records.
I
think
later
in
this
task
force
after
the
second
or
third
meeting
likely,
and
so
tom
was
was
on
mostly
with
regard
to
this
arpa
request
and
tom.
If
you
want
to
add
anything
to
john's
comments,
let's
do
that
now
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
john
williams.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
that
and
let
me
say
for
the
record
too,
that
the
auto
dealers
consider
the
county
clerks
our
partners
because
we
have
to
work
together.
We
provide
a
lot
of
funds
for
their
offices
and
they
provide
us
great
service
in
terms
of
transferring
vehicles
and
right
now
we're,
of
course
seeing
record
vehicle
sales,
but
the
pandemic
has
exposed
state
government
I.t
systems
as
being
archaic.
L
L
Some
of
those
liens
we'd
like
to
see
an
auto
transaction
in
a
centralized
system
of
the
filing
of
liens
in
a
centralized
manner,
would
greatly
speed
transactions
and
ensure
that
they're
perfected
in
the
appropriate
way.
We
also
need
to
make
sure
that
clerks
across
the
state
are
fully
accepting
electronic
signatures.
L
We
found
that
ohio
has
an
online
system
that
works
with
the
dealers
and
motor
motor
vehicle
sales
through
the
state
and
with
their
clerks,
preserving
their
fees,
preserving
their
funding
streams
and
that
there
are
third-party
it
providers
that
do
fee-based
plug-ins.
That
would
go
directly
into
our
dealer
management
software
systems
to
speed
transactions,
so
the
consumer
gets
an
efficient
purchase
the
vehicle,
get
it
in
the
system
and
they're
out
the
door
with
the
paperwork
all
done.
L
The
other
thing
we're
concerned
about
is
continuing
with
paper.
Titles
kentucky
is
falling
behind
other
states
that
are
now
going
to
a
paperless
titling
system.
Right
now,
the
transportation
cabinet
has
approximately
4
million
vehicles
on
record
and
they
process.
2.2
million
titles
each
year
now,
that's
done
through
an
outside
vendor
out
of
tennessee
that
takes
care
of
producing
and
mailing.
Those
titles
lost.
L
So
if
we
were
to
go
to
an
electronic
titling
system
like
virginia
like
ohio,
we
could
eliminate
a
lot
of
cost
a
lot
of
paper
handling
and
to
streamline
the
the
whole
system
in
future
meetings.
Mr
chairman,
we
hope
to
bring
a
testimony
about
the
opportunities
that
some
of
these
other
states
have
done
and
the
processes
that
they
have
embraced
we're
hoping
to
bring
you
information
directly
from
ohio
and
possibly
from
virginia,
so
that
we
can
talk
about
how
we
could
implement
these
types
of
things.
L
We
talked
about
the
pandemic
being
a
perfect
storm,
but
now
that
we're
come
through
the
pandemic,
we're
seeing
that
we
may
be
in
the
perfect
time
for
the
changes
that
my
coalition
partners
want
to
make
the
changes
that
the
clerks
need
for
their
electronics,
and
the
fact
is,
is
that
on
our
side
of
it,
the
cavis
system,
which
will
replace
the
current
auto
vehicle
system,
is
not
fully
complete
nor
fully
implemented,
and
we
believe
that
additional
capabilities
could
be
added
to
that
with
a
limited
amount
of
cost
and
that
there
will
likely
be
never
be
a
better
time
to
dramatically
move
kentucky
forward
for
efficiency
and
better
service
for
its
citizens.
A
In
my
understanding
tom,
in
discussing
some
of
the
cavus
avis
transition
piece,
there
is
an
opportunity
that
some
of
these
things
could
be
handled
through
that
if
it
was
transitioned
properly
and
maybe
with
a
little
bit
of
an
additional
investment,
it
could
possibly
relate
from
an
arpa
request.
At
this
time.
L
Absolutely-
and
we
also
have,
as
I
mentioned,
resources
from
third-party
vendors
that
can
plug
into
the
cavis
system
that
would
be
at
no
cost
to
the
state
and
the
user
fees
would
cover
that.
So
we
we
have
done
some
demonstrations
on
that
for
the
cabinet
in
the
past
and
we
hope
to
continue
that
discussion
going
forward.
J
J
Bluegrass
is
made
up
of
myself
and
my
partner
emily
grant.
We
have
nine
attorneys,
11,
paralegals
and
escrow
staff
that
support
over
80
employees
that
live
in
counties
throughout
the
state
of
kentucky,
I'm
also
an
executive
member
of
the
kentucky
lane,
title
association
as
well
as
the
american
land
title
association,
where
I
serve
on
multiple
committees,
including
the
digital
closing
work
group.
J
J
J
J
This
pandemic
showed
additional
reasons
why
we
need
to
have
records
available
online
to
support
the
residential
and
commercial
searches,
as
well
as
the
ability
to
e-record
when
senate
bill
114
was
passed
back
in
2019
over
a
year
before
the
pandemic
hit.
We
saw
the
need,
as
did
the
county
clerks
to
e-record
through
the
senate
bill.
We
brought
out
that
need.
J
J
J
J
In
the
examples
I'm
getting
ready
to
share
with
you,
I
don't
want
to
use
the
county
name.
I
don't
want
to
embarrass
the
goal,
is
not
to
embarrass
or
to
point
anybody
out.
Our
goal
is
just
to
inform
you
of
how
things
work
differently
throughout
the
different
counties
as
tabas,
and
you
know,
we
assume
that
there
are
over
60,
I
guess
per
tabitha's
statement.
There
are
96
counties
that
have
some
sort
of
electronic
filing
or
records
available
online.
J
In
past
conversations,
I
don't
mean
to
use
a
vendor's
name
specifically,
but
we've
had
county
clerks
say
that
we're
on
e-clicks,
so
we're
good
to
do
a
30-year
search.
You
need.
Obviously
you
need
deeds.
You
need
mortgages,
you
need
liens,
you
need
marriage
licenses,
you
need
tax
bills.
You
can't
do
any
of
those
without
some
of
that
information.
J
J
One
county's
good
through
date
is
inaccurate.
At
times
by
three
weeks,
this
is
important.
So
when
we
go
to
update,
we
think
that
we
have
updated
to
protect
the
people's
home
and
the
bank's
investment
we
have
sometimes,
apparently,
we've
been
more
than
three
weeks
off
when
we
asked
the
clerk
this
particular
clerk,
why
they
said
that
it
was
just
too
hard
to
do
on
their
system.
J
J
J
One
county
was
closed
recently,
due
to
flooding
for
weeks.
Indexing
indexing
was
inconsistent,
granters
and
grantees,
or
buyers,
and
sellers
were
reversed
and
mortgages
have
been
found
only
by
indexing.
The
bank's
name,
not
by
looking
by
the
person
who
the
lien
belongs
to
some
counties,
are
not
online
at
all.
As
we've
discussed,
some
of
the
counties
that
are
not
online,
the
searchers
have
to
go
to
those
counties
and
get
the
books
and
have
to
wait
for
the
clerk's
availability
to
make
copies
because
they're
not
able
to
make
their
own
copies
and
pay
for
them.
J
J
When
you
go
to
a
website
to
search
the
platform,
looks
the
same.
It
looks
as
if
you're
searching
the
same
records.
The
information
in
those
platforms
is
very
much
different,
whether
that's
a
training
or
or
issue
it's
not
just
because
we
have
96
counties
online.
Their
their
variation
on
what's
available
online
differs
quite
a
bit.
J
I
am
a
kentucky
business
owner.
I
know
that
that
working
for
free
is
a
bad
business
model.
We
are
not
asking
for
the
records
to
be
out
there
for
anyone
at
any
time
at
any
cost.
At
no
costs
a
home
and
a
car
are
two
of
the
biggest
investments
that
many
of
our
residents
are
going
to
make
in
their
lifetime.
J
There
are
clerks
that
are
currently
doing
a
great
job
with
the
new
technologies,
for
example,
debbie
donnelly
who
is
on
this
committee
has
hardin
county
up
and
running
very
well.
You
can
do
title
search
full
title
search
online
and
you
can
e-record
again
the
kentucky
land
title
association
is
here
to
work
with
our
clerks
in
whatever
capacity
is
needed.
J
This
is
not
a
need
that
is
going
away
just
because
covet
is
no
longer
here.
This
is
something
that
we
need
to
figure
out
together
and
I'll
help
with
any
information
feedback
from
other
states
as
it
as
they
were,
and
some
are
in
still
in
the
same
boat
and
how
they
have
accomplished
getting
past
this.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
K
It
is
with
this
in
mind
that
we
have
all
come
together.
Excuse
me
this
whole
coalition
here,
where
we
have
come
together
to
work
together
to
find
ways
that
are
going
to
be
advantageous
for
not
just
us
as
association
leaders,
but
for
the
people
we
represent,
which
are
actually
the
consumers
of
kentucky
and
the
residents
of
kentucky.
K
I
was
excited
to
hear
from
the
clerks
that
they
are
interest.
They
are
very
interested
in
working
on
on
ways
to
adapt
technology
so
that
we
can
have
a
smoother,
more
efficient
process
in
which
we
can
work
together
to
help
our
constituents
do
what
we
want
them
to
do.
K
Real
estate
and
its
related
transactions
account
for
nearly
32
billion
dollars
in
2019.
That's
about
15
percent
of
the
gross
state
product.
The
real
estate
industry
is
clearly
a
vital
part
of
our
economy.
We
must
do
everything
possible
to
keep
it
critically
functioning
parts
such
as
our
county,
clerk's
offices,
open
for
business
2020,
yes,
was
a
crazy
year.
Kobe
was
a
unique
event
that
nobody
had
really
prepared
for
or
planned
on,
but
it
also
showed
the
need
for
some
problems
that
we
have
to
address.
K
I
will
mention
one
that
came
to
my
attention.
We
had
a
a
seller
who
wanted
to
sell
a
buyer
who
wanted
to
buy.
They
agreed
upon
a
price,
and
now
all
we
need
is
a
title
work
and
the
appraisal
to
be
done.
The
buyer,
because
of
today's
market,
even
last
year
with
covid,
was
so
hot.
The
buyer
is
living
in
a
hotel
waiting
for
an
opportunity
to
close
had
planned
on
30
days.
K
30
days
became
40..
40
became
45,
trying
to
find
out
what
the
problem
was.
The
county
clerk's
office
was
closed.
I
won't
state
the
clerks,
but
it
was
closed.
The
people
couldn't
do
their
jobs,
nothing
could
happen,
and
this
consumer
is
sitting
in
a
hotel,
paying
a
hundred
dollars
a
day,
not
just
for
hotel,
but
he
had
to
go
out
to
eat
three
times
a
day.
Well,
during
kova
that
became
a
real
challenge.
K
How
is
he
going
to
provide
for
his
family?
This
ended
up
taking
over
almost
right
at
60
days,
so
another
30
days
beyond
the
norm
that
he
would
typically
be
so
over
3
000
more
dollars,
not
counting
the
additional
cost
of
food
and
the
other
items
that
took
place.
While
we
were
just
waiting
for
an
opportunity
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
That's
just
one
incident.
I
can
name
many
others,
but
for
the
sake
of
time,
I'll
stop
there.
K
The
potential
for
transaction
delays
is
always
present,
and
it
should
not
happen
due
to
the
county
clerk's
office
being
closed,
uniform
access
and
hours
of
operation
of
all
the
county,
clerk's
offices
is
essential.
Our
members
and
the
consumers
rely
on
the
county
clerk's
office
for
access
to
the
official
records
for
all
real
property
transactions
and
to
record
documents
on
sales
and
transactions
without
access
to
these
records.
The
real
estate
transaction
cannot
move
forward.
K
G
Thank
you
for
your
presentations.
I
think
that
this
task
force,
you
know,
has
been
comprised
for
the
very
purpose
of
trying
to
learn
what
the
process
is
and
how
the
process
needs
to
be
improved.
So
one
of
my
questions
is,
you
know:
I
represent
a
small
rural
county.
Fortunately,
my
county
has
electronic
access.
We
have
a
drive-through
we've.
You
know
our
clerk
has
done
a
a
fantastic
job
and
and
and
in
our
county
I'm
an
attorney.
G
I
have
used
online
access
to
records
very
limitedly,
but
I'm
certain
that
no
one
in
my
family,
my
grandmother,
they
much
more
prefer
to
visit
the
clerk's
office
if
they're
going
to
file
their
deed
or
if
they
want
a
record
because
they
want
that
assistance
that
they
don't
have
to
necessarily
pay
for
through
an
attorney
to
make
sure
what
they're
getting
is
correct
and
what
they're
doing
is
correct.
So
I
guess
my
question
is
you
know
I
have
used
the
online
access
and
the
fee
was
actually
very
minimal
to
access
these
records
online.
G
Is
there
a
fee,
maybe
a
surcharge
or
commercial
access
fee
that
you
all
would
propose,
because
I
think
you
even
made
the
statement
that
you
know
you're
not
expecting
all
of
these
records
to
be
available
to
everyone
at
any
time.
So
would
there
be
some
sort
of
fee
that
commercial
access
fee
or
surcharge
that
you
would
propose
for
these
electronic
records
because
I'm
sure
most
of
the
residents
don't
really
need
access
to
the
electronic
records,
even
though
it's
it's
vital?
I
think
that
we
have
that
access.
G
Are
there
any
other
states
that
use
a
method
such
as
that
to
help
kind
of
our
clerks
get
these
records
online,
because
I
do
know,
for
instance,
in
our
county.
I
think
our
clerk
is
only
back
to
so
far.
Of
course
you
know
so
he's
going
to
have
to
take
extra
time
to
kind
of
go
in
and
and
and
have
someone
enter
these
records.
I
believe
it's
beyond
maybe
1980.
G
E
We
think
you
know
that
there
can
be
a
reasonable
period
of
time
that
can
be
agreed
to
through
all
the
parties.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention,
though,
as
far
as
fees,
what
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
the
cost
of
implementing
the
software
versus
fees
that
have
already
been
approved
and
and
funds
that
should
be
available
to
the
county
clerks
that
aren't
available
to
them,
which
we've
already
talked
about
before.
E
I
mean
we're
gonna,
we're
not
gonna,
say
just
because
a
third
party
is
charging
it
that
that's
what
it
should
be,
but
we
we,
I
can
say
on
behalf
of
the
bankers
just
because
of
the
fees
that
we
believe
should
be
available
to
the
clerk
and
aren't
and
we'd
be
very
much
in
support
of
getting
those
fees
retained
that
there
shouldn't
be
an
additional
fee
per
document.
So
to
say,
because,
just
like
you
said,
there's
some
people
that
don't
want
to
use
online.
They
would
want
to
go
in
there.
I'm
sure.
There's
still.
E
Some
attorneys
who'd
prefer
to
go
down
there
and
look
at
the
books
if
they're
close,
but
but
we
don't
think
it
should
be
any
more
than
what
is
being
charged
by
a
third
party
to
have
access
to
those
documents.
H
Representative
lafferty,
to
your
point
also,
we
believe
that
one
of
the
reasons
we
mentioned
the
arpa
funds
and
to
look
to
see
if
they
could
access
that,
I
don't
care
what
kind
of
fee.
If
you've
got
a
tiny
clerk's
office,
it
probably
makes
no
difference
what
the
fee
are.
You
probably
can't
cover
the
cost
of
it
of
the
transition
and
digitalizing
those
records.
I
think
there
is
going
to
have
to
be
some
help
and
I
think
that's
just
a
fact.
A
lot.
G
G
That's
the
type
of
thing
that
I
that
I
was
just
wondering
if
any
other
states
have
some
sort
of
you
know
commercial
surcharge
or
you
know
or
fee,
in
order
to
try
to
help
help
us
get
our
businesses
up
to
date,
because
I'm
sure
it's
a
valuable
asset
for
your
use.
It's
probably
something
worth
paying
for
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
knew
of
any
other
states
that
implemented
anything
like
that.
J
So
representative,
I
agree
that
we're
not
we
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
Many
states
have
already
gone
through
this
or
in
the
process
of
going
through
this
first
off.
I
don't
want
to
pretend,
like
I
understand
the
clerk's
budget,
their
needs
their
staffing.
I
just
found
a
few
minutes
ago
that
they
started
with
a
zero
budget
january
1
right.
J
I
am
working
on
getting
data
from
other
states
that
have
gone
through
this.
I
do
know
some
states
don't
charge
at
all
and
it's
available
to
everybody.
I
know
there
are
other
states
that
they
charge
the
vendors
and
other
states
have
pipe
that
have
their
websites
and
you
there's
a
fee
and
you
have
to
be
a
local
attorney,
so
they
don't
all
work
the
same,
but
I
I'm
working
on
getting
that
information,
so
we
can
give
that
to
the
committee.
M
Thank
you.
I
want
to
follow
up,
I'm
my
colleague
from
east
kentucky.
You
know
as
a
practitioner
there
in
rural
and
I
have
an
urban
fairly
urban
county
too,
but
you
know
it's
hard
way
to
make
a
living
sitting
on
main
street
and
not
having
access
to
your
some
clerks
more
than
other,
but
it
was
certainly
my
clients.
Clients
got
frustrated.
You
know
I
was
wondering
we
didn't
get
bart
complaints,
I
mean
it
was
a
real
struggle.
M
So,
along
those
lines-
and
mr
chairman,
I
you
know-
I
I
think
you
know
when
we
look
at
this
issue.
I
think
we
need
to
hear
from
our
community
bar
association
sections
that
are
the
most
impacted
and
certainly
have
a
representation
of
rural
versus
urban
and
as
a
rural
practitioner,
I'm
sort
of
touchy,
feely
paper
oriented
and
call
me
a
dinosaur
if
you
will,
but
I
I
certainly
want
that
paper
and
same
thing
in
my
car
titles.
M
You
know
I
want
that
paper
document
we're
sitting
here
in
an
age
where
cyber
security
right
here
we've
had
two
meetings
on,
and
discussions
on
the
last
two
weeks
on
committees
that
I'm
on
from
agriculture
and
energy,
so
cyber
security
is
real
and
then
the
practical
application
is
in
my
district
on
a
good
day
non-pandemic.
M
A
B
Mills
just
to
comment,
mr
chairman,
on
the
arpa
funds.
I've
mentioned
it
a
couple
times
yesterday
in
state
local
government
committees.
We
talked
quite
a
bit
about
that
and
you
know
I
guess
my
comment
on.
That
would
be
that
it
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
get
us
a
firm
answer
from
anybody
on
whether
arpa
funds
can
be
used
for
upgrading
upgrading
electronic
filing
process
software
hardware
buying,
but
possibly
the
clerks
association
may
be
able
to
come
together
and
kind
of
build
a
case
as
to
why
that
is
a
good
expenditure.
B
Once
you
build
a
case,
then
it
might
be
easier
to
go
to
your
county
judge
and
say
you
know,
here's
our
case
association
has
put
this
together.
We
believe
it's
a
firm
case.
You
know,
can
we
have
you
know
thirty
thousand
dollars
or
fifty
thousand
dollars,
so
it
may
require
some
work
on
y'all's
y'all's
part
to
build
that
case
before
you
go
to
your
county
judge
and
ask
for
money,
because
I
think
director
hicks
and
several
others
that
we
ask
you
know
what
what
can
funds
be
spent
on?
B
They
were
very
hesitant
and
basically
their
direction
was
wait.
Let's
see
what
more
guidance
is
going
to
come
out,
but
I
think
in
the
meantime
you
could
be.
You
know
diligent
about
building
a
case
looking
through
the
bill,
and
you
know
going
through
the
intent
of
the
bill
and
saying
this
is
what
the
intent
of
the
bill
was,
and
this
is
what
we're
gonna
do
with
the
funds.
So
we
believe
this
is
a
good
case
and
the
county
judges
are
gonna.
B
H
Senator
mills,
I
think,
you're
exactly
right
and
if
you
look
at
the
in
in
in
in
sections
section
602
603.,
if
you
look
at
that,
it's
very
vague
in
terms
of
it
says
it
says
that
it
is
specifically
not
all
inclusive
now.
What
does
that
mean?
Okay,
I
have
no
idea
what
that
means,
except
for
the
fact
that
I
do
believe
your
example
of
making
a
case
for
that.
H
F
Senator
wheeler,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
echo
some
of
the
concerns
of
my
colleague,
the
senator
from
carter.
You
know.
Cyber
security
is
a
real
issue,
especially
when
you're
dealing
with
people's
homes
and
people's
vehicles,
which
in
many
cases
are
the
most
valuable
assets
that
they
have.
I
mean
you
know
I
I'm
sitting
here
today
and
I've
been
notified
twice
by
the
kentucky
division
of
unemployment
that
I
haven't
worked
since
last
march,
since
I've
you
know
been
in
here
and
I've
had
to
deal
with
that,
and
it's
clear
that.
F
Well,
you
know
people
that
are
with
me
here.
They
they're,
probably.
F
But
I
mean
it's
just
it's
a.
I
agree
with
with
robin
it's
a
significant
issue.
You
know,
I
don't.
I
think
there
is
a
place
for
paper.
You
know
and
options
I
mean
to
me.
I
I
think
the
ability
to
electronically
file
is
is
is
a
convenience,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
backed
up
by
hard
evidence
so
that
you
know
when
these
options
are
placed
out
there
they're
not
putting
our
constituents
most
valuable
assets
at
risk
by
moving
too
quickly.
F
On
this
you
know,
and
secondly,
to
echo
some
of
the
concerns
of
representative
tackett
lafferty,
I
mean
you
know
just
about
all
of
my
rural
clerks
county
clerks.
Do
a
wonderful
job,
but
you
know
times
are
tough
in
in
in
parts
of
our
state,
and
you
know
the
cost
of
implementing
these.
These
programs,
while
while
necessary,
are
just
more
than
some
of
the
clerk's
offices
can
bear.
So
I
am
hopeful
that
some
of
these
arpa
funds
can
be
used
to
implement
these
programs.
F
You
know,
but
again
the
guidance
we're
receiving
out
of
washington
I
was
in
senator
mills
committee
is
frankly
just
not
very
helpful,
but
you
know
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
we
can
get
a
a
firm,
some
firm
guidance
on
that
before
those
funds
expire.
F
E
Well,
senator
wheeler,
if
I
might
respond,
I
I
totally
agree
with
with
both
of
your
comments.
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
to
that
we
have
to
understand
is
that
right
now,
some
there's
there's
information
on
some
county
clerks
websites,
I'm
from
louisville.
So
I'm
not
talking
about
any
any
remote
small
small
areas,
but
there
there
are
documentations
that
you
can
pull
together
and
you
can
get
someone's
main
mother's
maiden
name,
their
social
security
number.
E
That
might
be
better
than
than
asking
every
clerk
to
go
and
look
for
their
own
solution,
and
it
may
also
end
up
being
a
cheaper
solution
for
some
of
these
smaller
counties
who
don't
have
the
buying
power
that
larger
counties
have.
I
think
cyber
security
is
a
real
concern
that
we
should
all
have
at
the
top
of
our
minds.
K
If
I
could
also
just
from
just
a
moment,
I
won't
take
long
just
to
respond.
I
think
we
are
open.
All
of
us
are
not
trying
to
just
say,
there's
nothing
that
can
be
done.
We
need
to
find
ways
to
work
together
to
achieve
these
things,
but
the
cost
to
do
something
is
also
balanced,
with
the
cost
of
not
doing
something.
I
use
the
one
example
of
the
gentleman
that
I
know
of
just
one
of
many,
but
I
used
him.
K
They're
looking
for
ways
to
get
this,
and
how
do
you
get
a
copy
of
these
info
this
information?
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
again
we're
not
trying.
I
don't
think
anybody
up
here
is
trying
to
put
undue
burden
and
I
work
I'm
I'm
the
managing
broker
of
network
realty
in
hardin
county.
I
work
hardin
county
hart,
county
larue,
county
nelson
county
bullitt,
county
meade,
county
greene
county
I
mean
and
I'm
in
jefferson
county
and
so
I'm
paying.
K
It
is
worth
my
time.
So
I
invest
in
all
these
different
county
clerks,
but
it
is
unique
on
how
each
one
of
them
functions
and
what
you
get
and
that's
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
as
well.
J
J
You
know
we
had
a
situation
in
louisville
where
we
had
we'd
searched
a
property,
we
ran
title
and
we
had
two
gentlemen,
come
in
the
deed
was
fake,
had
been
recorded.
The
gentleman
had
fake
ids
that
were
real
kentucky
ids
and
they
used
a
fake
certified
funds
check
and
they
came
into
our
office
and
closed.
J
So
I
understand
the
concern
and
it
is
concerned
we're
not
looking
at
replacing
it,
but
we
just
take
a
look
at
the
risk
and
it's
just
because
it's
on
paper,
I
don't
know
that
it's
necessarily
less
risky
than
than
being
online,
but
we
have
some
information
we'll
continue
to
share
with
you
and
you
guys.
Let
us
know
what
you
need
we'll
absolutely
provide
whatever
it
is.
H
A
We
had
legislation
on
the
house
side
that
was
filed
too,
and
I
think
the
the
clerks
surveys
bring
some
of
that
full
circle
for
us
a
little
bit
too,
as
we
talk,
because
when
we've
had
some
of
these
discussions
leading
up
to
the
the
start
of
this
task
force
this
summer
with
house
bill
151,
I
know
one
of
the
the
concerns
and
one
of
the
issues
that
got
brought
up
at
that
time
was
the
40-hour
workweek
rule
and
that's
been
discussed
significantly.
A
We
had
some
discussions
during
session
where
it
came
to
light
that
40
hours
doesn't
work
for
the
clerk's
offices,
necessarily
maybe
it's
36
or
37.
That's
more
realistic
in
that
situation,
due
to
the
fact
that
you
have
clerks
deputy
clerks
that
have
to
balance
drawers
and
all
those
kinds
of
things,
and
you
don't
want
to
trigger
overtime
pay
in
those
situations.
So
I
think
everybody
has
that
in
their
consideration
as
we
move
forward
in
this
process,
I
think
the
other
thing
is.
A
We
now
see
based
on
the
survey
that
folks
have
moved
pretty
far
forward,
at
least
for
the
bulk
of
the
counties
on
e-searching
documents.
Now
there
may
be
some
some
some
holes
that
are
not
filled
yet
on
certain
types
of
documents,
those
kinds
of
things,
but
that
there's
a
capacity
there
for
most
of
those
issues
somehow
or
another
in
the
majority
of
the
counties,
and
that
is
moving
forward.
A
I
think,
with
regard
to
house
bill
152
that
was
filed
last
session.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
everybody
has
kind
of
come
to
some
term
on
is
that
10
storage
fee
issue
needs
to
be
addressed
and
fixed,
so
that
that
get
that
stays
with
the
clerk
somehow
or
another
to
fund
their
electronic
issues
and
document
storage,
because
obviously
there's
an
upfront
cost
to
getting
all
those
documents
scanned,
but
there's
also
a
cost
to
maintaining
those
documents.
A
Those
all
went,
live,
it
was
on
a
free
website,
but
there
were
two
different
times
that
ransomware
hit
those
websites,
those
those
localized
free
websites
that
the
clerk
was
running,
and
luckily
he
had
a
backup
and
at
the
bank
we
had
helped
him
with
his
I.t
with
the
backup
and
he
only
lost
about
30
to
60
days
worth
of
stuff.
That
had
to
be
then
rescanned
in
from
from
live
documents,
but
because
of
all
that,
I.t
security.
A
Eventually
they
left
the
free
realm
of
websites
and
signed
up
with
a
vendor
and
now
they're
they're
using
a
vendor
because
of
the
concern
with
I.t
security.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
all
need
to
talk
about.
The
other
thing
is
is
how
all
the
funds
are
going
to
interact
with
the
county
governments,
the
the
judge's
office
and
the
fiscal
court's
offices
and
the
issue
with
with
potential
closure
issues.
A
I
know
we
had
a
few
counties
where
clerks
mentioned
that
the
county
judge
executive
may
have
closed
their
office
without
their
input,
or
they
were
not
able
to
come
around
that.
I
know
I
had
a
clerk
mentioned
that
or
somebody
in
the
know
about
it,
mentioned
that
a
fiscal
court
closed
a
courthouse.
A
A
A
What
what
things
have
already
been
discussed
that
I
think
folks
can
maybe
in
the
beginning
they
wanted
something,
but
we
can
agree
to
something
a
little
less
or
agree
to
a
little
different
timeline
on
things,
and
so
I
think,
there's
been
good
information
in
this
meeting
brought
with
the
survey
and
other
things
that
addresses
a
lot
of
those
things
that
we've
talked
about
already
so
appreciate:
everybody's
involvement,
the
the
good
informations
that
have
been
brought,
I
think
again,
as
we
work
through
this
property
piece,
we
will
continue
to
probably
have
the
the
fiscal
courts
and
the
magistrates
in
at
some
point
with
regard
to
this,
we
will
probably
have
the
vendors
in
at
some
point
with
regard
to
this,
to
discuss
I.t
issues
and
I.t
security
issues
and
appreciate
everyone's
involvement
and
attendance
and
the
information
that
has
been
brought
forward
today.
A
Well,
they
are
here,
one
of
them
is
today
jason
bentley
and
he's
got
some
family
or
jason
baird
just
spared
he
has
some
family
that's
involved
in
that
they
are
here.
That's
them
right
there
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
post,
so
I'm
actually.