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A
A
It's
a
little
bit
after
10,
so
we'll
get
started
today.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
to
the
third
meeting
of
the
jail
and
Corrections
task
force.
Madam
Secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
A
Present
so
today
we
will
hear
from
some
County
judges.
I've
been
told
that
if
you've
seen
one
County
you've
seen
one
County
so
in
order
to
get
an
accurate
representation
of
kind
of.
What's
going
on
across
the
Commonwealth,
we've
invited
six
judges
here
today
to
share
the
story
of
how
the
the
current
law
affects
a
fiscal
Court's
budget
affects
a
county.
We
want
to
hear
some
of
the
challenges
they're
facing,
and
so
with
that
we've
got
got
at
the
table,
judge
Covington
and
judge
Taylor.
D
Thank
you
so
much
Mr
chair
appreciate
the
committee
appreciate
y'all
having
us
here
today.
It's
it's
really
refreshing
to
me
in
my
ninth
year,
as
County
judge
executive,
that
I'm
able
to
sit
here
today
and
have
this
conversation
about
something
that
has
really
been
a
Scourge
on
County
budgets
on
County
government
as
a
whole
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Madison
County
story,
I'm
gonna,
I'm,
gonna
paint
a
picture
for
you,
which
is
my
picture.
D
Since
2015,
when
I
was
elected
as
County
judge,
executive
I
knew
we
had
a
jail
problem
in
2015
and
2014..
I
didn't
really
know
what
that
meant,
because
I've
never
been
County
Judge
before
and
so
in
2015
I
put
together
a
task
force.
It
was
just
a
local
community
task
force,
trying
to
hit
things
and
problems
head
on
on
that
task.
Force
was,
our
Jailer
was
was
was
County
attorney.
Commonwealth
Attorney
was
just
citizens
at
large.
It
was
a.
D
D
It
really
quickly
that
task
force
identified
that
we
didn't
have
a
jail
problem,
that
we
had
a
drug
problem
that
that
85
percent
of
people
incarcerated
were
drug
related
crimes.
We
had
a
85
percent
recidivism
rate.
At
that
time
we
probably
had
a
350
to
400
inmates
fast
forward
to
putting
together
a
concept
to
trying
to
be
common
sense,
oriented
with
with
government.
We
we
put
together
a
plan
to
build
a
Healing
Center.
Instead
of
incarceration,
it
was
to
do
rehabilitation.
D
We
got
a
lot
of
pushback
when
we
presented
that
to
our
community
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
were
going
to
fund
it.
We
got
a
lot
of
pushback
from
our
community.
That
said,
no
I
don't
want
our
tax
dollars
to
be
spent.
That
way,
you
need
to
build
a
jail.
So
in
2018
we
put
together
a
plan
to
build
a
new
jail.
We
were
going
to
build
a
jail
about
800
beds
to
try
to
build
for
the
future,
but
also
maybe
ways
I
I'd
heard
about
all
these
ways.
D
We
can
make
money
on
a
jail.
You
know
through
federal
inmates
through
housing,
more
State
inmates,
and
then
then
we
we,
the
Fiscal
Court,
voted
for
a
tax
increase
to
be
able
to
pay
for
this
jail.
50
million
dollar
jail
again
the
community
pushed
back.
So
in
2018
the
community
said
no
we're
not.
We
don't
want
our
tax
dollars
to
be
spent
that
way.
D
So
we
pushed
on
the
brakes,
the
Fiscal
Court
decided
to
rescind
our
ordinance
of
the
tax
increase
and
since
then,
we've
been
housing.
Individuals
outside
of
the
county
been
spending
millions
of
dollars
a
year
because
we
can't
house
them
all
so
I
painted
that
picture,
because
we've
tried
we've
tried
to
to
hit
this
problem
head
on
with
community
support.
But,
as
you
all
know,
as
we
all
one
thing
we
do
have
in
common
is
we're
elected
officials
and
so
we're
supposed
to
listen
to
our
citizens.
I
mean
our
citizens
spoke,
and
so
we
did.
D
Our
facility
is
184
bed
facility,
a
Madison,
County
Detention
Center
is
184
beds,
we're
a
population
about
95,
000
people.
Currently
we
have
about
450
inmates
under
our
responsibility
and
care
that
would
be
in
jail.
We
have
320
today
in-house
184
bad
facility.
We
have
320
in-house.
We
have
68
inmates
in
other
counties.
D
We
have
62
State
inmates
as
of
this
morning
and
we
have
24
on
HIC,
so
total
population
of
incarcerated,
whether
HIC
other
counties,
State
inmates
or
in
our
Jail.
It's
474.
As
of
today,
just
some
quick
numbers,
a
Contracting.
We
call
it
in
our
budget
contracted
inmate
housing.
That's
where
we
have
to
send
inmates,
because
we
can't
house
them
all
to
other
counties.
D
Last
year
we
spent
1
million
51
000
just
in
rent,
just
housing
inmates
and
what
we
had
to
pay
other
jails
that
did
not
include
the
the
transport
cost,
what
we
have
to
pay
deputies
to
transport
back
and
forth,
wear
and
tear
on
vehicles
in
their
time.
The
year
prior
to
that,
we
spent
1.4
million
dollars
on
a
housing
inmates
in
other
counties
which
was
2122
and
then
of
course,
covered
year
is
really
a
year
that
doesn't
really
paint
a
good
picture.
D
So
it
was
a
it
was
about
six
hundred
thousand
this
year
we
estimated
800
000
to
be
spent
on
contracted
inmate
housing,
and
then
we
give
about.
Last
year
we
gave
almost
four
million
dollars
out
of
the
general
fund
to
our
budget
and
this
year
we're
looking
to
give
about
3.6
million
dollars.
Prior
to
that,
it's
been
a
little
over
4
million,
been
3
million,
but
anywhere
between
three
to
four
million
dollars
is
what
it
is.
D
What
it's
cost
us
I'm
here
today,
as
obviously
Madison
County,
judge,
executive
I'm
here
today
to
ask
direction
from
you
all
Madison
County
is
is
a
crucial
point
where
we
need
direction
from
the
legislative
body
of
what
we're
supposed
to
do
about
our
current
situation.
D
I've
asked
several
times
over
the
past
several
years
and,
and
it's
been
hey,
hang
on,
don't
do
anything
yet
I
can't
go
and
spend
50
million
dollars
on
a
new
Detention
Center
in
Madison
County.
If
I
don't
know
what
the
state
Playbook
is,
and
so
that's
where
I'm
here
today
for
is
to
ask
Direction
what
am
I
supposed
to
do
as
a
County
when
we're
upside
down
on
what
it
costs.
Obviously
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
dark
hole
to
throw
money
into
a
jail.
We
all
know
that
and
also
to
end
with.
D
This
is
not
a
problem
that
has
been
going
on
just
recently.
There
are
studies
that
go
back.
The
legislative
body
had
acted
back
in
the
late
90s
about
doing
studies,
there's
multiple
studies
and
task
force
that
were
put
together,
and
so
I'm
thankful
that
I'm
here
today
and
I'm
hopeful
today
that
we
can
all
together
come
up
with
Solutions.
This
is
not
about
jailers
and
judges.
This
is
not
about
County
versus
jails.
This
is
about
Solutions,
we're
all
elected
officials.
E
Joe
Pat
Covington
I'm
County
judge
in
Scott,
County
Georgetown,
and
we
have
similar
issues
to
what
Madison
County
does
as
well.
We
have
an
86
bed
facility
and
built
in
1992
we're
one
of
the
fastest
growing
communities
in
the
Commonwealth,
and
today
we
have
121
inmates
in
our
facility,
there's
probably
10,
to
15
outside
the
facility.
We
have
contracts
with
four
other
County
jails
to
house
our
inmates
when
we
go
above
130
inmates
and
we're
just
really
challenged
by
our
square
footage.
E
We
have
about
19
500
square
feet
and
it
really
limits
our
opportunities
to
provide
programming
and
try
to
assist
individuals
that
are
struggling
that
are
there
because
of
of
the
drug
epidemic
and
I
I
would
agree
100
with
Reagan
that
we
don't
have
a
jail
problem.
We
have
a
drug
problem
and
you
know
how
do
we
provide
services
and
connect
young
people
and
connect
folks
to
to
opportunities
to
help
them
not
come
back
to
where
they
are
and
about?
The
numbers
that
we've
had
are
around?
E
70
percent
are
related
to
drug-related
offenses,
while
they're
there
we,
we
have
probably
an
average
of
31
State
inmates
on
a
yearly
basis
over
the
last
last
year's
about
31
State
inmates.
The
year
before
was
about
25..
We
don't
take.
You
know
we
don't
have
a
huge
State
inmate
population
just
because
we're
we're
so
limited
and
looking
at
the
big
picture.
Over
the
last
two
years,
we've
had
net
expenditures
about
3.8,
3.9
million
on
on
our
jail,
and
you
know
give
our
Jailer
Geller
Darren
broils
a
lot
of
credit.
E
He
is
very
physically
conservative.
He
squeezes
the
dollar,
but
it's
still
a
significant
expenditure
on
our
on
our
budget
and
it
impacts
our
community
and
I'm
I'm
very
similar
to
what
Reagan
shared
we
need
direction
because
with
our
growth
in
our
community,
the
reality
is,
sooner
than
sooner
or
later,
we're
going
to
have
to
do
something
and
we
just
want
Direction
and
want
to
know
about
the
state
Playbook
possibility.
E
And
if,
if
we
were
to
go,
build
a
35
million
dollar
facility
to
house
300
350
inmates,
you
know
over
20
years,
that's
going
to
cost
us
about
54
million
dollars.
If
we
had
a
4.5
percent
Bond-
and
you
know
that
is
a
significant
expenditure
on
our
County
and
looking
at
opportunities
that
could
those
funds
could
be
used
elsewhere
to
benefit
our
community.
It's
just.
We
really
would
appreciate
Direction
and
we
value
the
opportunity
to
come
here
and
share
today
about
our
communities.
D
D
County
will
pay
46
years
on
our
Detention
Center,
not
by
not
by
my
choosing
but
by
previous
administrations
choosing,
but
we
were
able
to
lower
and
save
about
400
000
in
interest
a
couple
years
ago,
so
we
refinanced
it
I
was
trying
to
take
some
of
the
time
off
the
debt
instead
of
a
but
but
we
couldn't
so
we
did
save
some
in
interest
and
then
I'll
end
with
this.
This
article,
which
I
think
is
a
very
good
article.
D
It
paints
a
really
good
picture
and,
if
y'all
like
a
copy
of
this,
but
it
the
title
of
it,
was
turning
jails
into
prisons
and
I.
Think
that's.
One
of
the
challenges
we
face
in
the
Commonwealth,
or
at
least
Master
County
faces-
is
that
a
detention,
local
detention
centers
were
never
meant
to
build
to
be
a
permanent
housing.
They
were
never
built
to
be
rehabilitation
centers.
They
were
built
to
be
temporary,
holding
facilities
for
a
short
period
of
time,
but
would
be
open
to
answer
any
questions.
Yeah.
E
They
might
have
I
wanted
to
add
as
well.
We
we
do
not
have
any
debt
on
our
facility,
but
we
wanted
I
do
want
to
share
that.
We
have
worked
to
try
to
offer
other
tools
for
our
judges
to
try
to
help
our
community
to
reduce
our
number
of
inmates
in
our
facility
and
we've
contracted
with
the
Isaiah
house
to
provide
an
IOP
for
a
community.
F
You
Mr
chair,
thank
you
for
coming
in
today.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
so
just
get
to
it.
Are
you
wanting
to
stay
in
the
business
of
local
and
state
inmates,
or
just
local
or
just
state,
or
just
get
out
of
the
business
altogether?
What
would
be
the
preferential
situation
for
each
of
your
counties.
F
Not
not
saying
that
what
I'm
saying
what
about,
if
you
were
to,
rather
than
get
out
of
it
entirely
what
if
you
were
just
to
have
local
inmates,
no
state,
can
you
County
afford
it
physically.
D
Not
because
I
mean
you
heard
my
numbers,
as
you
heard
my
numbers
earlier,
I
mean
we
only
have
62..
We
only
have
62
State
state
inmates
and
I.
Think
if
you
look
across
the
state
at
the
revenues
that
come
in
on
jails,
the
majority
of
the
jails
that
are
that
are
saying
the.
B
E
You
know
not
one
inmate
in
our
in
our
jails
there,
because
of
a
a
violation
of
County,
ordinance,
XYZ
and
and
just
being
realistically
it
realistic,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
partnership
of
how
we
can
have
a
phased
approach
to
addressing
the
issue
over
time.
It's
I,
don't
think
it's
reality
for
us
to
completely.
You
know
get
out
of
the
business,
but
how
can
we
have
a
phased
approach,
a
partnership
to
address
the
issue
on
a
state
and
local
level
that
that
would
be
my
answer.
B
F
So
yep
and
then
another
concern
we
get
to
is
you've
got
warehousing,
which
is
a
bad
term,
but
it
is
raw
residential
capacity
of
a
body
and
then
you've
got
all
the
different
programming
that
goes
in
after
that.
If
you've
just
got
local
inmates,
I
don't
know
that
that's
possible.
If
you
have
a
mixture
of
State,
then
we
end
up
with
76
jails
or
so
with
varying
degrees
of
programming
being
offered
that
way.
F
If
you
end
up
in
a
certain
zip
code,
you're
able
to
get
certain
program,
if
you
haven't
put
another
one,
then
tough
luck,
you'll
do
better.
Hopefully
in
the
next
draw
is
there
anything
you
see
that
we
can
get
the
level
of
programming
up
for
everybody
the
same
across
the
state
with
local
institutions.
D
Yeah
I
would
definitely
say
anytime
that
you
could
take
a
unified
approach
to
a
problem
and
create
solutions
that
it's
better
than
than
the
duplicating
Services
I,
think
that
we
are
duplicating
way
too
many
services.
So
you
know
a
concept
of
of
being
more
unified
across
the
state.
I
would
100
be
open
to
that.
F
Yeah,
the
the
assumption
that
question
is
this,
and
so
anybody
can
take
it
on
and
say:
oh,
that's
not
the
case.
The
assumption
is
this:
if
we
just
provide
residential
capacity,
misdemeanor
or
felon,
does
it
matter?
If
we
just
provide
residential
capacity
with
not
effective
programming,
then
you
turned
into
a
motel
that
they
check
out
and
check
back
into
I.
E
And
there's
120
counties,
70
full
service
jails,
four
Regional
jails
and
then
three
Life
Safety
jails
and
then
43
jails
closed,
and
you
know
my
my
thought
process
is
the
the
big
thing
is:
how
do
we,
how
do
we
keep
them
from
coming
back
and
and
how?
How
can
you
offer
something
similar
in
Western
Kentucky
to
what
you
have
in
eastern
in
Northern
in
Central
kentucky
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
and,
and
you
know,
consolidating
Services
looking
at
opportunities,
you
know
you
know,
could
you
have
some
models?
E
A
Any
other
questions
before
I
get
to
mine.
All
right,
judge
Tyler,
you
said
you
all
have
62
State
inmates
with
capacity
issues
currently
is.
Is
that
a
conscious
decision
to
hold
those
inmates,
or
is
that
something
you're
just
waiting
for
Doc
to
classify
them
and
and
move
them?
What's
going
on?
There.
D
Yes,
Mr
chairman,
that
that
they
would
be
you're,
always
at
Madison,
County
you're,
always
going
to
have
some
State
inmates,
because
the
time
they
get
sentenced
or
then
they
come
back
to
our
facility.
So
then
it's
just
making
arrangements
for
Doc
to
come
transport
them
or
us
transport
them
to
to
a
facility
where
they're
going.
Okay.
A
So
you
all,
the
vast
majority
of
your
population
are
pre-trial
or
misdemeanance,
or
so
last
budget
we
had
raised
the
Per
Diem
from
31
to
34..
Did
that
have
any
kind
of
drastic
I
mean
you've
only
got
62
inmates,
so
I
mean
you're
talking.
You
know
three
dollars
a
day
per
inmate,
so
on
the
total
budget.
Did
that
help?
Does
that
help
I
mean.
E
From
276
000
or
270
000
in
in
21
to
22,
and
then
this
year
our
revenues
were
406
869..
You
know
it's
hey.
Thank
you,
yes,
but
is
it
really
making
a
real
difference?
I
I!
Don't
think
that
that
does
it
you
know
and
we're
kind
of
an
outlier
we're
so
small.
You
know
our
number
of
State
inmates
is.
Is
you
know
it's
not
a
big
that
number's
not
going
to
that?
Revenue
number
is
not
going
to
put
a
big
dent
in
our
budget.
D
I
can
tell
you
this
just
I'm
not
going
to
put
on
my
business
hat
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
if
this
was
the
private
sector
business.
You
know.
I'd
have
went
broke
a
long
time
ago,
trying
to
house
inmates
on
on
the
per
diem,
yeah
I
I,
don't
think
it's
a
really
good
business
model
for
counties.
It's
not
for
my
County
to
to
be
in
the
business
of
Housing
State
inmates.
D
Yeah
we're
about
35
is
what
we're
on
average
I
think.
Well,
everybody
did
go
up,
I,
think
to
35.
We
did
have
a
few
that
I
think
we're
just
lagging.
Hunting
hadn't
increased
it
yet,
but
now
we're
all
about
35
dollars.
B
A
D
I
mean
if,
if
it,
if
it
makes
sense,
I've
say
many
times,
if
it
don't
make
dollars
it,
don't
make
sense,
I
mean
so
it
has
to
make
sense
financially.
For
the
county,
I
mean
we
have
tried
to
invest
in
many
programs
and
not
just
with
the
jail,
but
the
sheriff's
department.
B
D
The
space
184
bed
facility,
33
years
old.
E
So
and
our
challenge
is
just
our
square
footage
period,
we
just
that's
a
big
challenge.
Our
Jailer
and
staff
would
love
to
offer
more
opportunities
for
for
programming
and
and
they're
doing
a
great
job
with
with
the
square
footage
they
have.
But
just
adding
is
is
a
big
challenge
just
because
of
our
square
footage.
Okay,.
A
G
G
It
means
a
lot
that
we
can
come
before
you
this
morning
and
tell
our
story
and,
if
I,
if
I,
might
I'd
like
to
tell
the
story
of
Union
County
as
a
newly
appointed
judge
in
2018
kind
of
drinking
from
a
fire
hose
and
with
the
jail
issue
looming,
I
was
appointed
in
early
2018
and
started
looking
at
our
jail,
trying
to
educate
myself
in
all
things
jail
a
little
history
of
our
jail.
We
are
a
47
bed
facility
built
in
1974..
G
Maintenance
costs
were
incredibly
high
with
looming
large
repairs
such
as
HVAC
and
and
roofing
issues
that
were
going
to
be
in
excess
of
a
million,
probably
closer
to
2
million
for
repairs
and
I'd
like
to
take
a
brief
moment.
Just
to
Echo,
judge
Taylor
sentiment
that
we
have
a
drug
problem
in
Union,
County
too.
We
we
house
and
have
a
convention
so
to
speak
at
the
jail,
but
most
of
our
folks
are
there
because
of
drug
issues
that
we
have
identified
three
paths
forward
pretty
quickly.
G
As
a
newly
appointed
judge
executive,
we
could
continue
on
the
path
that
we
were
on.
We
could
build
a
jail
or
we
could
close,
which
caused
a
lot
of
angst
in
my
community
to
think
about
having
a
closed
jail,
I
efforted,
to
make
an
informed
and
thoughtful
and
educated
decision
and
I
talked
to
several
folks
that
helped
me
process
this
that
had
much
more
experience
in
County
government
in
jails
than
I
did
I
talked
to
the
Department
of
Corrections
about
what
they
would
require
in
size.
G
If,
if
we
decided
to
go
down
that
path
to
build
a
jail
currently
we're
at
47,
we
were
constantly
at
75
to
80
folks
that
were
housed
there.
When
we
were
open,
I
knew
that
another
40
to
50
head
facility
was
not
going
to
be
in
line.
We
would
have
to
build
something
bigger,
looking
probably
closer
to
150
bed
facility,
I
consulted
with
Tracy
Reed
from
caico
for
her
perspective
and
experience
with
her
past
dealing
with
jails
and
how
that
looked
with
with
closed
jails
with
building
in
jails.
G
All
of
those
steps
in
between
I
even
talked
to
judge
fields
from
Pendleton
County
who
had
was
operating
a
closed
jail
just
to
say,
judge.
What's
that
like?
How
does
the?
How
did
the
logistics
work?
How
do
you
do
that?
How
do
you
pull
that
off
and
with
an
outlay
of
about
1-2
to
1.4
million
per
year
in
Rising,
coupled
with
the
large
looming,
large
maintenance
items,
I
quickly
ruled
out
that
we
can
continue
on
the
path
that
we
were
on.
G
We
were
headed,
as
judge
Taylor,
said,
to
a
an
improper
business
model
of
of
what
we
were
doing.
We
carefully
reviewed
a
building
option
and
even
consulted
folks
for
a
ballpark
figure
of
construction
with
the
range
of
12
to
16
million
dollars
just
to
build
I,
also
reviewed
our
bonding
capacity
at
the
time.
G
We
are
better
now,
but
we
only
had
a
bonding
capacity
of
16
million
dollars
in
the
county
and
I
felt
that
was
foolish
to
tie
that
entire
amount
into
the
building
of
a
jail
which
might
have
our
hands
tied
behind
our
back.
Should
an
economic
development
Prospect
come
along
that
we
needed
to
invest
in
roads
or
maintenance
or
infrastructure
that
would
would
help
get
them
there
that
left
close
closing
squarely
as
the
most
viable
option.
G
We
in
effect
had
inadvertently
already
closed
our
jail
because
our
Jailer
in
order
to
lessen
the
burden
on
the
county,
was
housing,
mostly
all
state
inmates,
in
our
County
Jail.
While
we
took
all
of
our
County
inmates
to
another
jail
because
of
a
lesser
amount,
so
we
were
just
playing
the
margin
and
that
that
helped
us
lower
that
down.
But
what
that
did?
Is
it
inadvertently
told
us?
Logistically
we
can
pull
this
off
because
we'd
been
doing
it
for
several
years.
Even
before
I
was
judge,
executive
and
I
might
add.
G
He
was
in
by
far
in
favor
of
closing
our
jails
and
he
went
back
to
work
for
the
sheriff's
office.
We
have
a
new
Jailer
now
Sheriff
Jailer
Jason
Newton,
and
he
does
a
great
job.
G
So
after
after
we
thought
we
were
kind
of
limited
in
our
choice,
I
put
out
a
bid
for
bids
for
three
counties
around
us,
Webster,
Crittenden
and
Henderson.
All
of
those
which
border
us
and
will
be
a
short
commute
back
and
forth.
We
took
the
lowest
bid,
which
was
Webster
County,
and
we
continued
to
that
with
that
Arrangement.
Today
we
are
up
for
contract
renewal
in
February
and
March
of
24.
G
I.
Think
it's
worked
so
well
for
both
of
us
that
we
will
probably
continue,
although
he
may
try
to
pop
me
for
some
more
money.
Moving
forward,
we'll
see
how
that
works
in
2021.
Just
for
an
example,
we
budgeted
seven
hundred
thousand
the
First
full
year
that
we
were
closed.
We
budgeted
seven
hundred
thousand,
that's
compared
to
the
1.4
million.
We
were
paying
and
we
came
in
under
budget,
so
we
literally
cut
our
jail
budget
in
half
by
transporting
prisoners
to
Webster
County.
G
G
We
have
a
Jailer
now
who
is
very
conscientious
about
how
he
handles
inmates
how
he
transports
the
staff
that
he
works
hard
to
hire
and
every
month
we
get
a
report
and
if
I
may
I
just
like
to
read
the
totals
of
our
July
I'm
sorry
June,
our
June
numbers
were
35
correction
July.
On
August
1st,
we
had
35
inmates
in
Webster,
County
Jail.
We
had
61
new
arrest
transports
for
the
month
of
July.
We
had
64
Court
transports
and
he,
since
he
is
a
licensed
law
enforcement
official.
G
G
But
we've
got
to
find
ways
to
to
keep
the
recidivism
down
and
with
programming
whatever
that
looks
like
whether
that's
public
partnership,
public,
private
Partnerships
or
whatever
I
guess.
That's
a
blank
slate
right
now
of
how
we
do
that.
But
we've
got
to
find
a
way
to
help
our
people
I'm.
A
firm
believer.
I've
said
this
before
and
I
mean
no
offense,
but
I.
Don't
think
many
good
things
come
out
of
a
County
Jail.
G
H
I'm
Rick
Stiltner,
I'm,
Menifee,
County's,
judge
executive
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
as
well.
I
appreciate
you
all
hearing
from
counties
hearing
from
County
judges
on
jails
than
had
how
it
affects
our
budget
yearly.
Menifee
County
a
real
budget
has
four
million
dollars.
We
have
6
100
people
who
live
in
our
community.
42
percent
of
Menifee
County
is
owned
by
the
federal
government,
Cave
Run
Lake
and
the
Red
River
Gorge.
So
our
revenues
are
limited.
Our
jail
probably
closed.
30
years
ago,
I've
been
the
judge
since
2015.
it
was
a
closed
jail.
H
When
I
came
in
and
I'm
happy
I
don't
have
a
jail
just
so
you
all
know,
and
no
I
do
not
want
one
in
my
community.
As
far
as
I
go
I
hear
these
other
judges
and
jailers
talk
about
jails.
I'll
keep
doing
what
I'm
doing.
We
do
transport
all
of
our
prisoners.
We
have
been
since
I've
been
there.
We
were
paying
35
dollars
a
day
to
house
in
Montgomery
and
round
County.
That's
the
two
counties:
I
had
contracts
with.
You
know
you
contract
with
whoever
gives
you
the
best
rate.
H
Basically,
this
year
our
rights
raised
Montgomery
County,
went
to
forty
dollars
a
day
and
round
counting
went
to
42
dollars
a
day.
I
still
signed
contracts
with
them,
but
I
had
the
the
bulk
of
my
prisoners
were
in
Montgomery
County
I
moved
all
of
my
prisoners
out
of
Montgomery
County
and
I,
moved
them
to
Lee
County,
because
it's
35
dollars
a
day
there.
H
My
Jailer
drives
a
little
further
to
take
them,
but
the
cost
offset
per
day
per
prisoner,
I
still
save
money,
and
for
me,
with
the
budget
of
four
million
dollars,
I
don't
have
any
choice
but
to
house
my
prisoners
where
it's
the
the
most
cost
effective
I'll
just
give
you
an
example
of
of
I
had
one
in
prison
or
in
jail
for
five
years
on
a
murder
charge
is
a
baby
him
and
an
accomplishment
he
went
into.
He
went
into
the
jail
on
May
of
2017.
H
H
That
cost
was
forty
three
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
to
Menifee
County
I'm
here
to
I'm
here
to
say
part
of
the
issue
with
jails
has
to
do
with
court
systems
when
we're
waiting
five
years
to
try
people
there's
something
wrong
with
that
picture.
I
you
know,
I
know
the
court.
Dockets
are
full
I,
see
it
every
Tuesday
and
Thursday
in
my
Courthouse,
where
people
are
coming,
the
recidivism
rate
in
Menifee
County
is
80
percent
or
better,
it's
probably
closer
to
90
percent.
H
We
see
the
same
people
with
6
100
people
you're
pretty
much
seeing
the
same
people
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
again,
we
average
having
between
40
and
45
people
in
jail
every
day.
That's
why
we're
paying?
We
have
a
jail
budget
of
375
000,
that's
what
the
budget
was
for
22.23
and
we
spent
or
22
Yeah
22
23.
We
spent
just
in
prisoner
housing
prisoners,
253
000.,
and
so
you
can
see
the
administrative
cost,
for
that
was
the
difference
in
that
money.
H
I,
don't
know
what
the
real
answer
is.
I,
don't
know,
I
have
a
lot
of
things.
I
could
say:
I
was
a
trooper
for
25
years,
I'm
about
people
being
in
jail
who
need
to
be
in
jail,
and
we
have
folks
who
do
and
I'm
about
paying
for
people
that
need
to
be
in
jail.
But
there
are
folks
that,
in
my
opinion,
we
don't
have
enough
programs
when
we're
seeing
we
have
the
same
drug
issues.
Union
County
has
as
the
as
Madison
County
had
is
Scott
County.
H
We
all
have
the
same
issues
that
I'm
not
leaving
a
small
County,
but
drugs
didn't
leave
us
because
we
live
in
a
small
County.
We
have
the
same
drug
problem,
everybody
else
does
but
I
will
say
there
has
to
be
a
solution
and
it
needs
to
start
at
the
state
level,
because
counties
really
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
do.
H
H
It
starts
right
then,
and
so
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
come
up
with
a
solution
that
is
beneficial
for
all
of
us.
I'm
I'm,
as
Union
County
I'd
hate,
to
see
the
state
take
them
over
and
I'm
paying
more
for
jail,
I'm
paying
more
for
inmates
than
I'm.
Currently
paying
would
I
just
hope,
there's
a
way
to
phase
whatever
we
do
we're
able
to
phase
it
in.
A
B
A
Any
questions
all
right,
I've
got
a
few.
What
what
are
you
all
seeing
on
the
recidivism
how
many
of
the
people
are
convicted?
You
know
if
they're
in
trial,
for,
if
they're
in
the
jail
for
pre-trial
and
then
they're
convicted
and
released
on
time
served
that's
one
of
the
biggest
issues
I've
heard
from
my
jailers
and
and
from
my
judges.
A
G
I'll
just
say
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
much
a
revolver
it.
It
doesn't
take
long
to
to
have
those
same
frequent
flyers
back
through
the
system
and
by
the
time
they
get
worked
through
again
time
served
in
and
out
and
so
it
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
ease
up
on
that
and
I
judge.
H
Or
may
have
the
same
thing
revolving
door,
but
the
bigger
as
far
as
Menifee
County
goes.
One
of
the
bigger
issues
is
is
before
they
ever
get
sentenced
on
a
prior
drug
charge,
they're
charged
again
and
they're
charged
again,
so
will
they
let
them
out
of
jail
and
they
put
them
back
in
they?
Let
them
out
again
they
put
them
back
in
and
so,
but
we're
not
doing
anything
to
help.
H
G
Think
in
Union
County
we,
we
celebrated
maybe
six
this
last
year
that
went
through
drug
court
and
and
that
deserves
to
be
celebrated,
because
that's
six
folks
that
have
made
a
tremendous
turnaround
by
the
time
you
get
through
that
two-year
program.
You
trip
and
fall
you
you
start
over,
you
back
up
and
you
get
going,
and
so
we
make
a
big
deal
out
of
that.
I
know
a
lot
of
judges
do
as
well.
G
We
want
to
really
affirm
those
folks
and
the
the
choices
that
they're
making,
but
when
you
compare
six
to
the
a
thousand
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
we're
trying
to
fill
up
a
bucket
with
a
thimble
or
bail
out
a
bucket
with
a
thimble.
You
know
we're
not
we're
not
making
we're
not
making
much
progress.
There.
H
G
About
35
minutes,
depending
on
how
many
deer
you
got
to
dodge
down
Highway
56,
but
it's
not
it's
not
too
terribly
bad
and
I
want
to
add
too
I
didn't
I,
didn't
and
I,
don't
want
to
interrupt,
judge
Stiltner
too
much,
but
our
we've
gotten
along
great
with
this
plan
with
our
law
enforcement,
they
I
have
heard
no
complaints,
they
our
Taylor
and
our
sheriff,
and
our
city
folks
all
work
closely
together
to
to
make
that
pretty
smooth
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in
that.
H
Yeah
it
ours
about
an
hour,
it
would
have
been
to
Montgomery
and
round
County
it's
about
30
minutes.
We
probably
doubled
our
time
by
going
to
to
Lee
County,
but
we
take
our
misdemeanor
ones
to
Powell
County
who
charges
us
35.
I
have
a
contract
with
them.
They
charge
us
35.
So
if
it's
a
misdemeanor,
most
of
them
are
going
there,
which
is
about
20
20
25
minutes.
But
if
they're
going
to
be
there
for
a
stay,
we're
moving
them
to
Lee
County
and
they
do
some
other
things
that
help
us
in
Lee
County.
H
It's
part
of
the
reason
we're
doing
what
I'm
doing
they
would
have
charged
us
32
dollars
a
day
if
we
would
come
and
get
them
if
they
need
medical
treatment
or
doctor's
appointments.
Those
kinds
of
things
they're
doing
all
of
that
for
us
at
35
a
day.
So
we
stayed
where
we
were.
A
Okay
and
then
last
question:
when
the
per
diem
went
up,
did
your
contracts
and
contract
price
immediately
go
up?
How
long
did
that
take?
Did
it.
G
Go
up
for
me.
Our
state
per
diem
goes
directly
to
Webster,
County
and
but
I
will
say
that
I
feel
like
that,
helps
us
keep
our
rate
at
thirty
dollars
a
day,
which
is
what
we're
paying
now
I'm
kind
of
disappointed.
You
said
what
you
are
you're
getting
now,
but
we're
at
thirty
dollars
and
so
I
I
I'm.
Just
you
know
my
my
business
mind
kicks
in
they're.
Getting
that
much
extra.
Surely
that's
going
to
help
us
keep
our
cost
fairly
stable
as
we
move
forward.
H
And
I
won't
say
that
that's
what
drove
the
increase?
What
drove
increases
at
at
the
other
two
jails
is
jail,
cost
they
were
trying
to
and
I
don't
blame
them
at
all.
If
I
were
sitting
in
their
seat
judge,
that's
got
a
a
jail
that
they've
got
a
16
million
dollar
payment
on
I
I'd
I'd
be
looking
at
ways:
I
could
increase
per
diem
as
well
I,
don't
blame
them
at
all.
H
I
think
they
did
what
they
thought
was
necessary
with
their
business
mind
and
I
had
to
do
what
I
thought
was
necessary
with
man,
and
so
did
it
have
a
direct
correlation.
I
won't
say
it
did
because
it
went
more
than
the
three
dollars
you
all
went
up.
You
know
we
went
from
35
to
40
and
35
to
42
and
so
I
I,
don't
think.
There's
a
direct
correlation
between
the
increase.
Okay.
C
C
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
your
time.
Chairman
Bray
I'm,
Mark,
McKenzie,
I,
Service,
Johnson,
County,
judge,
executive
I
have
since
2019.,
and
thank
you
for
letting
us
share
some
information
about
how
the
Johnson
County
deals
with
its
jail
situation
and
and
provides
services
to
the
inmates.
Johnson
County
inmates
are
housed
in
150
bed
Regional
jail
utilized
by
four
counties.
Those
four
counties
are
Johnson
Martin,
McLaughlin
and
Lawrence
counties.
It
was
built
in
the
late
1980s.
C
The
facility
does
not
have
any
debt
against
it
today.
The
average
daily
population
is
around
220
and
it's
divided
equally
between
State
and
County,
roughly
around
50
percent,
each
50
percent
state
50
percent
with
County
inmates.
Obviously
the
county
inmate
making
being
comprised
of
the
four
counties.
Our
daily
County
inmate
rate
is
31.25
a
day
with
the
State
daily
inmate
rate
being
35.25.
Each
County
pays
its
own
daily
inmate
rates
for
those
individuals
that
are
that
are
arrested
in
their
respective
counties.
C
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
about
54
percent.
According
to
the
July
report
of
the
population,
54
or
state
inmates,
Johnson
County
represents
35
percent
of
the
remaining
percentage
of
inmates
we
represent
about
35,
so
we're
the
largest
populated
county
of
the
four.
So
therefore
percentage-wise,
we
typically
have
the
largest
amount
of
population
of
County,
the
the
revenues
in
July
for
the
jail
from
both
the
state
and
County,
as
well
as
a
there
was
a
few
inmates
from
a
neighboring
County
was
about
228.
C
000
was
total
revenues
for
July
for
Johnson
County,
specifically,
our
primary
jail
costs
ranged
around
the
500
000
a
year
just
for
the
inmate
housing
costs,
plus
there's
an
additional
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
on-site
medical.
So
it's
costing
Johnson
County
roughly
around
600
000,
just
simply
for
the
the
jail
housing
of
the
inmates
and
the
medical
associated
with
that.
C
To
put
that
in
perspective,
our
jail
costs
consume
approximately
80
percent
of
our
annual
property
tax
collections.
So
it
obviously
is
a
tremendous
impact
on
our
budget
I
mentioned.
We
are
a
Regional
Jail,
comprised
of
those
four
counties
and
it's
structured
such
that
it's
governed
by
a
10-member
Jail
Authority,
comprised
of
board
members
from
each
of
the
four
counties,
Johnson
County,
being
the
host
County
as
well
as
the
largest
population.
C
We
hold
two
additional
seats,
so
each
county
has
two
seats,
but
Johnson
County
holds
two
additional
seats
by
virtue
of
those
reasons:
the
host
and
the
largest
population.
This
board
has
oversight
of
all
operations
related
to
the
facility.
Therefore,
they
set
the
daily
County
inmate
inmate
rate.
They
also
approve
operational
budgets
for
the
jail.
They
approve
the
hiring
of
employees
and
wages,
as
well
as
the
hiring
of
the
jail
administrator
to
manage
the
day-to-day
operations.
So
the
jailers
in
these
four
counties
serve
in
more
of
a
transport
mode.
C
Maybe
some
Court
duties
for
our
host
County
Johnson.
Our
Jailer
will
will
provide
some
bailiff
duties
that
type
thing
in
the
court
system,
but
obviously
with
the
jail
administrator.
The
jailers
serve
more
as
a
transport
role
in,
in
the
other,
in
all
the
counties,
but
specifically
the
3ks
that
are
not
part
of
Johnson
that,
where
we
host
so
the
regional
structure,
obviously
functions,
I
would
say
in
a
lot
of
ways
like
a
business
with
the
ability
that
they
make
decisions
in
a
pretty
quick,
timely
way.
C
The
jail
board
again
has
the
authority
to
make
those
decisions
related
to
the
jail
with
the
board
oversight,
obviously,
and
provides
a
check
and
balance
with
with
the
administrator
having
to
be
accountable
to
the
board.
That
provides
the
oversight.
Do
the
judges
have
input?
We
we
do
in
the
sense
that
we
recommend
the
appointment
of
those
board
members
and
approved
by
the
fiscal
courts
to
serve
on
that
jail
board
authority.
We
obviously
try
to
stay
as
aware
as
we
can
of
what
happens
within
that
facility.
C
C
Other
counties
do
incur
additional
costs
other
than
Johnson.
Where
we're
the
host
County,
the
other
Three
Counties
doing
costs
for
transport.
Obviously,
there
the
the
jail
does
utilize
the
state
inmates,
as
Trustees
for
property
maintenance,
which
provides
a
great
deal
of
value
inside
the
facility
itself,
as
well
as
we
all
four
counties,
heavily
utilize
State
inmates
available
for
Community
projects
in
all
their
in
all
their
counties.
C
So
that's
really
a
a
tremendous
help
to
all
of
us
for
these
Community
projects
that
we
can
use
the
state
inmates
that
are
eligible
to
be
able
to
use
them
in
our
respective
communities.
There's
obviously
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
services
and
and
and
what
we
can
do
to
keep
having
them
to
repeat
our
jail
does
offer
various
programs,
one
being
they
do
offer
GED
classes.
That's
conducted
in
partnership
with
the
Big
Sandy
Community,
Technical
College.
They
do
provide
those
on
site.
C
We
also
deal
with
the
substance
abuse
problem
as
far
as
the
purpose
for
wild
those
individuals
are
in
our
jail
is
because
the
substance
abuse
issues
and
we
have
been
working
with
a
regional
substance
abuse
provider
to
offer
treatment
at
the
time
of
arrest,
basically
so
that
they
can
catch
them
at
that
crisis
moment
before
they
actually
are
processed
through
the
system
fully
and
offer
them
treatment
to
offer
them
an
outlet
to
be
able
to
find
the
services
that
they
need.
That
could
improve
their
circumstances
and
obviously
put
them
on
a
better
path
in
life.
C
So
we're
working
with
that
group
to
provide
provide
those
on-site
through
peer
support,
Specialists
on
site.
Also,
there's
been
discussion.
I'm
not
sure
the
status
of
this
at
this
point,
but
for
those
other
three
counties
that
are
having
to
transport
in
they're,
working,
I
think
with
judges
and
various
authorities
to
try
to
offer
that
same
substance
abuse
opportunity
for
them
at
those
locations
when
they
are
arrested,
so
that
they
don't
even
have
to
transport
them
that
they
would
have
possibly
a
holding
location
in
their
effective
counties.
Where
that
the.
C
If
the
individual
should
choose
to
to
take
advantage
of
the
substance
abuse
program,
then
they
would
actually
could
be
picked
up
there
and
taken
straight
to
the
facility
for
for
their
treatment
and
not
have
to
even
be
transported
to
the
jail.
So
that
is
some
of
the
things
that
are
in
discussion
to
try
to
provide
treatment
and
opportunities
for
improvement
for
these
individuals.
That's
basically
a
snapshot
of
a
regional
relationship
that
we
have
in
Johnson
County,
with
our
other
Three
Counties
to
operate
a
Regional
Jail.
I
I
So
it
was
also
at
the
end
of
its
lifespan.
In
about
2012
2011.,
there
was
some
discussion
we
had
Department
of
Corrections
come
in
along
with
some
consultants
and
at
the
time
I
was
on
the
Fiscal
Court
as
a
magistrate.
So
we
had
some
Consultants
come
in
and
they
did
the
numbers
and
did
the
surrounding
area
and
whatever
they,
whatever
Consultants
do,
and
they
came
up
with.
If
we
actually
built
a
new
jail
that
we
would
save
the
county.
I
Approximately
two
million
dollars
per
year
and
that's
based
on
our
number
of
jail
inmates
at
the
time
and
based
on
the
population
increase
they
predicted
over
the
period
of
the
30-year
jail
life
that
it
would
grow
so
much
so
with
transportation
and
everything
else.
It
looked
like
they're.
Our
best
choice
of
action
at
that
time
would
be
to
build
a
new
jail
so
in
2016
the
county
bonded
for
16
million
or
15
million
dollars.
I'm
sorry
bonded
for
15
million
dollars
to
build
a
279
bed
jail
so
in
in
16.
I
They
made
the
first
Bond
and
there
was
understanding
that
that
was
the
the
first
bond
that
we're
going
to
issue
that
they
would
probably
have
to
issue
more.
There
were
some
changes
coming
with
the
Department
of
Corrections
different
requirements
for
jails,
so
in
2017
he
issued
another
bond
in
a
for
4.8
million
dollars,
so
total
total
cost
is
19.8
million
dollars
in
the
jail
in
order
to
bond
for
the
second
one
they
had
to
raise.
I
So
we
increased
it
to
one
and
a
half
percent
in
order
to
to
bond
and
build
the
jail
so
fast
forward.
We
got
the
jail
built.
It
opened
the
doors
in
2018
and
in
2019
we
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
inmates.
Our
dealer,
of
course,
was
you
know
it
was
a
new
jail,
a
lot
of
training
going
on
those
kind
of
things,
so
I
think
the
first
year,
first,
six
months
we
had
about
165
inmates,
so
it
was
kind
of
kind
of
a
little
sting
on
the
wallet.
Now.
I
Those
Bond
payments
that
I
mentioned
earlier
at
1.4
million
dollars
per
year
is
our
bond
payment.
They
do
not
mature
until
2036.,
so
we've
we've
got
a
long
ways
to
go
on
this
1.4
million
dollars.
Fortunately
we
did
it
when
the
rates
were
lower
and
I'd
hate
to
think
about
trying
to
do
it
now.
So
today
we
have
a
279
bed
jail.
We
have
335
inmates
in
that
jail
and
I.
This
is
right,
fresh
off
the
press
this
morning,
so
126
of
those
are
State
inmates.
Our
around
County
inmates
is
103,
Bath
County
houses,
41.
I
illit
county
has
32
Morgan
County
has
23.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
little
ones
and
twosies
to
make
up
the
difference,
but
there's
335
inmates
in
jail
this
morning.
So
you
talked
about
the
the
increase
from
the
state
of
35
dollars.
I
mean
that
did
help.
You
know
when
you're
looking
at
this
number
of
inmates
it
it
does
help
certainly
doesn't
offset
the
true
cost
of
of
what
is
costing
us.
So
we
had
to
wrestle.
We
wrestled
with
it
in
this
last
budget.
You
know
we're
responsible
to
the
taxpayers.
I
So
could
we
honestly
not
raise
the
rates
on
our
neighboring
counties,
which
you
know
I
know
these
judges
I
eat
lunch
with
them?
We
sit
on
them
on
boards.
So
that's.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
come
in
and
say
by
the
way,
we're
going
to
have
to
raise
your
race
to
42
dollars
a
day,
but
the
true
cost
of
an
inmate
I
think
is
about
47
or
something
a
day
is
what
it
really
cost
to
house
an
inmate
with
no
medical
issues
or
anything.
I
So
we
had
to
consciously
make
that
decision
to
increase
it
to
42
dollars
a
day
in
order
to
be
able
to
to
make
this
1.4
million
dollar
payment
annually,
so
the
jail,
our
we've
got
about
an
18
million
dollar
budget,
so
the
jail
budget's
about
6
million
of
that.
So
it's
one
third
of
our
budget,
total
budget
out
of
the
general
fund,
we're
contributing
2.6
million
of
that.
So
it's
you
know
it's
just
every
day
you
wake
up.
You
wonder
you
know
what
what's
going
to
happen
next.
I
We
live
and
die
off
the
payroll
and
occupational
tax.
You
know
our
property
tax
we're
at
seven
percent.
We
are
33
percent
of
our
property
as
National
Forest,
and
so
you
know
we
still
have
a
good
healthy
property
tax
base,
but
it's
still
very
hard
to
generate
the
revenue
to
make
this
jail
work.
I
The
inmates
we
have
got
I
think
some
really
good
programs.
They
do
teach
the
GED
in
in
school
or
in
the
in
the
Detention
Center.
We
have.
We
have
folks
that
come
in
and
counsel
for
substance
abuse.
I
We
have
two
different
organizations
that
come
in
and
do
that
they
do
that
early
on
and
then
they
do
that
when
it
starts
getting
closer
to
the
end
of
their
terms,
they
they're
able
to
certain
programs,
provide
some
housing
for
them
and
some
rental
assistance
when
they
get
out
and
continue
counseling
I
don't
really
know
how
successful
that
is,
because
once
they
get
out,
they
may
stay
there.
They
may
go
to
another
state.
So
nobody
really
knows
what
how
successful
that
program
is.
I
But
on
a
positive
note,
we
have
an
excellent
Jailer.
We
have
a
really
good
working
relationship
and
I
can
tell
you
you
wouldn't
want
to
try
this
project
or
this
amount
of
work
without
a
a
good
relationship
with
the
jailer.
But
we
started
a
program
there.
That's
it's.
It's
called
a
score
and
I
have
no
idea
what
that
acronym
stands
for,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
25
inmates
out
working
today.
They
work
in
clothes.
Just
like
we
do.
I
It
was
a
program
that
we
instituted
between
the
Fiscal
Court
and
the
Detention
Center
Workforce
is
at
a
premium,
as
everybody
knows,
so
we
decided
to
Endeavor
in
this
project
and
see
if
we
could
Supply
some
Workforce
for
our
local
community.
So
there's
certain
categories,
certain
classifications
of
inmates
that
are
eligible
under
certain
time
frames
along
their
sentencing
that
they're
eligible
to
do
this,
so
the
Detention
Center
provides
transportation
to
for
them
every
morning
they
pack
their
little
lunch
and
they
go
to
work
with
their
clothes
on.
They
may
be
working
in
Dairy
Queen.
I
They
may
be
working
in
an
embroidery
shop.
They
may
be
working
on
a
car
place,
so
we
got
25
of
those
out
this
morning
and
went
to
work
this
morning
and
honestly
they
get
the
majority
of
their
money,
whatever
whatever
the
scale
is
that
they
pay
and
they
have
to
pay
the
a
normal
rate
or
whatever
they're
paying
their
other
co-workers.
I
So
these
folks
get
a
bank
account
set
up
form.
It's
like
a
child's
bank
account
and
the
money's
deposited
into
their
account.
The
detention
center
with
holds
about
55
dollars
a
week
out
and
that's
the
offset
the
cost
of
transportation
and
the
extra
clothes
you
have
to
wear
to
blend
in
so
that's
been
a
really
good
program.
We've
had
numerous
folks
from
the
community
that
has
really
championed
this.
They
they
love
that
Workforce.
I
They
show
up
on
time
because
they're
brought
they
leave
on
time,
because
they're
picked
up
they're
drug
free
because
they're
drug
tested
as
soon
as
they
come
back
into
the
facility
every
night
and
they're
searched.
So
it's
a
win-win
for
all
of
us.
What's
really,
the
best
part
of
that
is
I.
Think
the
recidivism
on
this
particular
program
is
really
really
low
because
those
people
transition
right
on
into
work
and
they
already
have
a
job
they've
already
proven
they
could
come
to
work.
So
we're
really
proud
of
that
program.
I
You
know
we
like
I,
said
we
provide
GED
courses.
All
of
those
other
things
we
provide
mctc,
Maysville,
Community,
Tech
College
is
currently
working
through
some
Grant
proposals
and
they
will
be
teaching
some
technical
trade
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
it's
going
to
be
inside
the
Detention,
Center
or
we'll
actually
be
at
the
community
college,
but
they
are
undertaking
to
teach
some
some
trade
to
these
folks.
I
So
I
wanted
to
leave
that
part
as
as
a
bright
part
of
this,
but
you
know
we
kind
of
realized
a
long
time
ago
you
had
to
work
as
a
region.
You
know
you
don't
want
to
tackle
any
of
these
problems.
So
what
we
we
know
in
the
region
is,
you
know,
judge
Stiltner,
he's
right
next
to
me
in
the
county.
We
know
we've
got
to
get
something
done
because,
as
you
can
tell,
the
2.6
million
dollars
coming
out
of
the
general
fund
I
mean
think
of
the
parks
we
don't
have.
I
We
don't
even
have
a
park
around
Canada,
25,
000
people,
we
don't
really
have
a
park
city
has
a
park,
but
we
don't
have
anything
else
and
it's
outgrown.
So
there's
just
so
much
more
that
we
could
actually
utilize
this
money,
for
that
would
really
benefit
all
our
citizens,
so
we'd
just
like
to
have
you
know
a
clear
Direction
and
we're
we're
kind
of
stuck
to
2036
and
one
of
the
real
concerns
of
mine
and
probably
everyone's
we're
got
a
five-year-old
jail
right.
I
Now,
it's
costing
us
this
now,
but
in
another
three
to
four
or
five
years.
When
that
big
air
conditioning
unit
quits
on
top
of
that
roof
or
one
of
those
big
ovens
quit
you
know
we're
going
to
be
scrambling,
trying
to
figure
out
where
we're
going
to
find
the
money
to
do
these
repairs.
So
we
need
some
help.
That's
all
I
know.
I
really
wished
I
had
the
magic
answer.
I,
don't
have
the
answer,
but
I
can
I
can
certainly
tell
you
it's
a
drain
on
the
counties.
A
C
Probably
you
know
I
think
it
probably
works
as
a
pretty
good,
a
pretty
good
model.
Overall
again
you
you
from
an
organizational
standpoint.
C
The
additional
Transportation
costs,
that's
probably
the
biggest
cons
I,
can
think
to
it,
but
structural
wise.
You
know
it
seems
to
be
a
decent
model
for
us
in
rural
counties,
especially
with
the
population
of
the
state
inmates
there
that
help
us
financially
to
keep
it
running
and
I.
You
know
I
check
the
jail
administrator,
and
you
know
that
that
state
inmate
population
is
what
allows
that
jail
to
basically
do
as
well
as
it
does,
and
to
run
as
efficiently
as
efficiently
as
it
does.
A
When
the
state
increase
the
per
diem,
what
happened
to
the
the
local
rate
did
it
stay?
Were
you
able
to
keep
it
the
same
yeah.
C
Yeah
it
stay,
it
basically
stayed
the
same
and
the
additional
State
inmate
fees
helped
to
offset
up.
You
know
ongoing
costs,
primarily
with
they
had
to
make
some
serious
votes
on
wages
for
retention
and
the
employee
retention
was
really
a
challenge
and,
and
they
also
employ
from
each
of
the
four
counties
as
well.
That's
part
of
the
bylaws
is
that
the
each
County
gets
placement
of
employees.
If
you
know,
obviously,
if
they
make
qualifications,
you
know,
then
they
they're
allowed
to
have
folks
from
their
respective
counties.
Working
at
this
facility.
Okay,.