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A
This
is
the
final
joint
committee
on
state
governments,
meeting
six
of
the
interim
and
we'll
call
it
the
order
and
we'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
C
A
D
D
A
Here
in
representative
Heaven
just
walked
in,
she
is
here
as
well:
okay,
just
a
couple
announcements
before
we
get
started
for
the
folks
that
are
in
attendance
here,
we
do
have
a
meeting
that
overlaps
at
1
30.
So
if
a
couple
members
stand
up
and
leave
and
walk
out,
we
apologize
for
that
in
advance,
but
we'll
have
two
or
three
members
leaving
the
the
committee
for
another
committee.
Meeting
representative
Wheatley
would
like
to
recognize
a
couple
of
distinguished
visitors
that
he
has.
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I'd,
like
to
recognize.
We
do
have
four
visitors
here
and,
and
one
is
the
founder
and
the
director
of
the
international
public
policy
and
Management
Institute
at
the
University
of
Kentucky
and
that's
Dr
Duo
Kim,
and
he
has
three
of
his.
D
Please
stand,
yes,
thank
you
and
he
has
three
of
the
participants
in
The
Institute,
two
of
which
are
National
Assembly
staff
people
they're,
basically
their
lrc
and
one
is
a
state,
a
staff
person
for
I'm
not
going
to
pronounce
the
state,
but
it
is
a
state
that
includes
Saigon.
Please
make
him
feel
welcome.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
visiting
our
general
assembly
and
hopefully
you
enjoy
it.
Are
there
any
other
visitors
that
members
would
like
to
introduce
all
right
very
good?
Well,
we'll
move
right
into
our
first
item,
which
is
the
Kentucky
State,
Police
and
I'm.
Sorry,
we
need
to
hope.
We
need
to
approve
our
minutes
so
minutes
from
October
25th
meeting.
Hopefully,
you've
read
that
we've
got
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second.
A
F
The
floor
is
yours,
was
requested
to
come
over
to
talk
about
some
of
the
items
dealing
with
Kentucky
State
Police.
Two
things
in
particular
would
be
Recruitment
and
Retention
and
I'll
kind
of
break
those
up
into
two
different
parts.
It's
going
to
tell
you
an
overview
of
what
we,
what
we're
going.
F
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
general
assembly
for
the
the
contributions
and
support
of
how
the
Kentucky
State
Police
fared
in
the
last
session.
One
thing
that
we
were
severely
dealing
with
was
our
lack
of
Manpower.
We
were
down
in
the
700s
dealing
with
our
Troopers
and
also
had
several
several
members
that
were
eligible
to
retire
at
that
time
before
House
Bill
259,
which
solidified
our
1605
to
our
pay
scale
that
really
stopped
the
bleeding
for
people
leaving
our
departments,
especially
our
s'more.
F
We
at
that
time
we
were
74th
that
we
could
track
in
starting
pay
for
police
officers
in
Kentucky
and
for
state
agencies.
That's
touched
Kentucky.
We
were
last
during
that.
D
F
But
with
the
raises
that
that
we
received,
we
were
able
to
offset
retirements.
Typically,
we
we
have
a
pretty
good
retirement
cycle
in
July
or
I'm,
sorry
in
July,
and
we
had
38
that
had
retired
in
her
37
in
2022
fiscal
year
and
then
in
2021
we
had
a
21.,
and
at
that
time
we
had
about
close
to
100
that
was
eligible
to
retire.
F
What
I'm
happy
to
report
is
with
that
is
that
we
have
only
had
two
retirements
of
for
this
for
this
quarter
so
far,
and
that
really
has
helped
us
a
lot.
We
also
have
not
had
any
resignations,
except
for
one
that
I
just
received
today
and
that
one
is
resigned
to
go
to
lmpd
and
I'll,
discuss
that
one
in
just
in
just
a
few
minutes.
F
We
had
numerous
Troopers
that
were
retiring
and
resigning
to
go
to
other
agencies
and
to
go
to
private
sectors.
But
since
the
pay
raise
come
in
that
we've
had
four
reinstatements
of
Troopers
that
left
us
that
come
back
even
from
private
sector
or
other
police
agencies,
and
we've
also
had
a
one
of
our
highest
numbers
of
Trooper
R's
that
have
wanted
to
come
back.
F
Trooper
R
is
a
program
that
are
Troopers
that
have
retired,
if
they've
retired
within
within
five
years,
in
good
standing,
then
if
we
can
hire
them
back
on
a
contractual
basis,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
have
the
highest
number
that
we've
had.
We
have
65
of
those
and
14
had
come
back
just
since
the
first
of
the
year.
Some
of
them
knew
that
they
was
a
you
know,
possibility
of
about
receiving
some
increased
benefits.
F
So
right
now
our
sworn
Troopers
stands
at
897
from
down
in
the
700s
that
in
65
of
those
as
I
said,
are
Trooper
hours,
and
that
includes
the
38
Cadets
that
are
going
to
be.
That
will
be
graduating
this
Friday.
That
will
be
our
102nd
Cadet
class.
F
We
were
able
to
run
with
the
graduation
class
of
38
that
we
will
graduate
Friday
we'd
ran
another
class
that
graduated
in
March
of
2022
and
those
that
graduated
71.,
so
just
for
the
calendar
year
of
2022
we've
graduated
109
Troopers
and
by
offsetting
our
retirements
by
only
having
those
two
by
stopping
resignations
and
by
being
able
to
run
these
classes.
That
is
really
why
our
numbers
have
grown
to
where
they're
at
now.
We
still
need
to
do
much
better
than
897
and
we're
working
on
that
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
F
A
little
bit
more
on
on
the
retention.
But
with
these
with
these
pay
raises
that
was
received.
Not
only
was
it
the
15
000
that
was
allotted
to
us,
but
as
well
as
they
were
for
supervisors
for
those
ranks,
there
was
also
pay
increases
for
those
as
well.
So
that
was
a
two-part
thing.
A
lot
of
our
supervisors
are
very
tenured,
very
experienced
Troopers.
So
that
kept
those
around
and
it
also
increased
that
we
want
the
we
want.
F
Some
of
our
highly
trained
people
are
highly
motivated
to
participate
in
our
promotional
system
and
by
doing
that
now
that
gives
them
another
Avenue
another
guide
more
to
want
to
have
our
some
of
our.
We
would
say
best
of
the
best.
Not
everyone
wants
to
be
a
supervisor,
and
we
have
some
that
aren't,
but
we
have
some
that
want
to
so
that
will
actually
give
them
some
incentive
to
to
promote
as
well
so
buy
those
pay
raises.
F
As
I
said,
we
were
74th
and
then
we
were
last,
but
when
we
received
those
what
we
were
able
to
track,
that
probably
put
us
in
the
top
five
in
starting
pay
for
police
officers
in
Kentucky.
F
That
also
put
us
number
four,
for,
as
we
are
right
now
for
starting
pay
for
State
other
other
state
agencies
that
that
touched,
Kentucky
so
and
we're
about
tied
with
West
Virginia.
But
you
know
some
of
the
other
states
and
some
of
the
other
departments
they
had
increases
as
well
by
their
some
of
their
leadership
that
they
received.
But
you
know,
that's
really
put
us
very,
very,
very
competitive
and
that's
helped
their
ranks.
F
So
the
retention
and
the
braces
it
did,
you
know
what
we
felt
it
would
do
and
it,
and
it's
helped
that
dramatically
now.
I'll
talk
about
recruitment,
recruitment
is
a
it's
hard,
it's
it's
hard
across
the
country,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is
our
recruitment
efforts
are
better
than
most
and
it's
it's
kind
of
a
double-edged
sword.
You
know
the
economy
is
good
in
Kentucky,
it's
really
good,
so
we
are
competing
against
other
Private
Industry
other
things
that
would
have
some
of
these
good
paying
jobs.
F
But
what
we've
done?
We
made
our
recruitment
section,
the
largest
it's
ever
been
in
the
history
of
the
state
police.
We
have
five
members
in
there
that
only
thing
they
do
is
focus
on
recruiting.
F
We
have
three
African
Americans,
we
have
one
female
and
then
we
will
have
one
Commander
that
is
focused
in
working
on
recruitment
across
this
across
the
state.
They
even
have
some
that
are
going
to
colleges
that
are
close
to
Kentucky
out
of
state.
F
F
Well,
those
numbers
aren't
as
high
as
they
used
to
be
and
I
asked
that,
because
you
hear
the
numbers
before
they
used
to
be
in
the
thousands-
and
that
is
true-
that
is
true,
but
what
I
can
tell
you?
There
is
more
involvement,
there's
more
things
you
have
to
do
to
put
yourself
in
a
position
to
apply
to
be
with
State
Police.
There's
things
you
have
to
you
have
to
go
ahead
and
obtain
a
your
fingerprints.
You
have
to
pay
for
those
there's
different
things
you
have
to
do
to
prepare
yourself.
F
You're,
not
just
putting
in
an
application
and
out
of
those
350
is
that
we
have
28
of
those
that
are
late
candidates
and
what
that
is.
Those
are
certified
police
officers
that
are
already
police
officers
here
in
Kentucky
and
the
pay
raise.
That
is
where
that
we
felt
that
we
would
attract
other
departments
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
State
Police,
some
of
some
of
those
to
come
to
us
and
with
28.
Those
are
good,
but
I
would
have
liked.
F
I
would
have
liked
to
see
that
to
be
higher,
but
they
were
some
things
that
negotiated
on
some
of
their
pay
and
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
just
a
moment.
But
out
of
those
350
applications,
45
of
those
are
minority,
28
are
female
and
then
those
28
leap
candidates.
So
we've
really
increased
our
efforts.
We've
tried
to
focus
in
those
areas
where
they
would
want
to
come
to
State
Police.
F
Now
it
takes
just
money
to
attract
someone
to
the
state
police
and
that's
that's
a
huge
part
of
it
and
I
can't
thank
everyone
here
in
the
general
assembly
enough,
but
we've
also
got
to
tailor
things.
We've
got
to
kind
of
think
and
and
get
people
into
our
agency.
First,
we
did
the
leap
that
we've
talked
about,
but
we
had
a
program
because
it
was
called
the
pick
3..
F
The
reason
why
we
went
with
pick
three
is
because
what
we
were
seeing
was
that
we'd
have
candidates
that
were
in
Far
Western
Kentucky
that
did
not
want
to
apply
because
they
had
the
possibility
of
having
to
go
to
Eastern
Kentucky
or
vice
versa,
and
they
have
families,
and
we
understand
that
so
what
we
did.
We
did
with
the
Pick
3
and
they
could
pick
three
posts
that
they
would
be
willing
to
work
at
and
then
based
on
our
Manpower
needs.
We
would
determine
which
post
they
would
get.
F
That
was
pretty
successful
for
a
little
bit,
but
it's
kind
of
as
we
talked
to
potential
candidates,
and
we
realize
people
now
they're
seem
like
they're,
maybe
a
little
older
when
they
apply,
they
have
families
they're
established,
they
have
their
homes
and
then
also
working
competing
against
agencies
like
Bowling,
Green
or
Northern
Kentucky,
or
some
of
these,
where
they
can
get
a
position
as
a
police
officer,
and
they
can
stay
right
there
at
home
and
still
not
even
take
the
position.
They
have
to
go
three
posts
over.
So
what
we
did.
F
F
F
Anybody
can
apply
for
that
post
they
can
put
in
and
then
based
on
how
they
graduated
out
of
the
academy.
If
all
10
of
those
were
to
graduate,
they
will
be
assigned
back
at
Mayfield
post
the
post
that
we're
having
the
hardest
time
with
is
Dry
Ridge,
Campbellsburg,
Mayfield,
Madisonville,
Moorhead
and
Ashland
the
rest
of
the
post
there's
a
lot.
It
seem
like
there's
more
interest
there.
We
also
realized
some
of
these
other
these
areas.
You
know
they
have
positions
at
these
larger
agencies
where
they
can
apply
and
they
can
stay
there.
F
So
what
we
have
seen
since
we
come
out
with
that
is
that
our
application
process
is
double
just
in
seven
weeks.
We
went
up
that
went
from
150
to
350.
and
we
and
we
are
going
to
accept
applications
until
November
the
26th
of
this
month
and
we'll
have
to
stop
that,
because
we'll
have
to
do
some
testing
and
things
to
establish
what
the
roster
will
be
for
the
cadet
class.
F
So
I
want
everyone
to
know
that
you
know
we
we
just
weren't,
looking
at
pay
to
be
the
Magic
Bullet,
which
you
know
that,
like
I
said
that
helps
so
much,
but
we
have
looked
at
every
single
thing.
We
can
do
to
tailor
to
bring
people
into
the
state
police
and
that's
been
successful,
but
now
here's
some
other
things.
We
did.
You
know
KSP.
F
You
know
we're
about
Partnerships.
You
know
we're
about
Partnerships
with
our
local
departments,
we're
about
Partnerships
with
other
state
entities
where
Partnerships
with
our
federal
entities,
but
we
have
a
brand
and
I
everyone
here
over
the
past
few
years
have
seen
what
things
have
affected.
Kentucky
and
Kentucky's
had
more
than
our
fair
share
with
you
know
of
events
that
have
requested
law
enforcement,
not
including
our
national
disasters,
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flooding,
the
Western
Kentucky
tornadoes.
F
F
That
was
helping
to
rescue
somebody
from
ravaging
flood
waters
or
was
helping
someone
out
of
a
tornado,
ravaged
or
damaged
building
State
Police
were
there
and
we
were
there
on
the
ground,
and
not
only
that
we
were
the
ones
that
were
helping
set
up
shelters.
We
were
helping
Red
Cross.
We
were
helping
other
things
because
we
knew
those
areas.
We
knew
our
communities
and-
and
we
really
tried
to
elaborate
upon
that-
you
know
it's
more
than
just
a
law
enforcement
role.
F
I
mean
look,
people
come
to
the
state
police
because
they
want
to
serve
their
fellow
kentuckians.
They
want
to
help
people
and
want
more
to
highlight
what
we
did.
So
you
know,
we've
really
done
a
Grassroots
thing
to
our
Troopers,
because
not
only
do
we
have
five
people
that
are,
they
have
nothing
to
do
but
recruit,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
all
have
a
part
of
this
from
me
right
down
to
the
cadets.
F
That's
getting
ready
to
graduate
Friday
the
more
they
help
recruit
the
man
or
woman
that
comes
in
the
state
police,
that's
more
opportunities
for
them,
that's
more
opportunities
for
their
fellow
Kentucky
and
that's
more
opportunities
to
have
better
days
off
for
our
Troopers.
That's
more
opportunities
for
them
to
be
able
to
be
a
detective,
that's
more
opportunities
for
them
to
go
to
our
Special
Response
Team
work,
the
Kentucky
State
Derby,
the
fair,
the
Breeders
Cup.
Look
at
the
things
that
Kentucky
State
Police
has.
That
is
different
from
any
other
law
enforcement
agency.
F
That's
here
in
Kentucky
and
our
Troopers
have
really
took
that
and
ran
they
and
with
the
individual,
recruiting
proposed
they're
having
recruitment
fairs
there
at
their
post.
You
know
they're
talking
with
potential
candidates
where
they,
where
they
work
at
a
fitness,
place
or
coaches
are
talking
of
high
school
students.
They're
talking
they're
talking
just
different
things,
we're
doing
colleges,
and
it's
really.
It's
really
worked.
So
we
want
to
be
proud
of
that
brand
and
we
want
people
to
come
to
us.
F
F
Now
you
know
I
talked
about
you
know,
some
of
the
numbers
are
down
and
then
we
talk
about
how
recruitment
is.
But
let
me
step
back
just
a
second
too.
What
I
was
talking
about
our
ground
Roots
effort
on
recruitment.
F
We
have
saw
a
lot
of
the
negativity
about
scrutiny
towards,
or
I
won't,
say,
scrutiny,
but
just
not
a
very
pro-placed
climate
in
some
of
the
media
things
across
the
country.
So
we
all
get
the
national
media
networks
and
they
look
at
that.
Our
troopers
look
at
that
and
we
have
to
tell
them
hey.
We
got
to
go
out
and
we
have
to
really
talk
about
the
good
things
is:
there's
been
no
huge
movements
about
the
fund,
the
Kentucky
State
Police
they've
been
none
of
that
here.
Our
legislature
supports
us.
F
Our
governor
supports
us.
Our
community
leader
supports
us.
Everybody
supports
law
enforcement
here
in
Kentucky
and
that's
what
we
need
to
push
out
to
other
people
that
are
potential
candidates,
because
overall
Kentucky
is
very
much
supported
here
and
and
they
see
that
and
we
we
want
to
push
that
out
to
them
and
that's
one
thing:
when
they're
talking
about
potential
candidates
because,
like
I
tell
them,
is
that
we
all
started
out
somewhere,
you
either
started
out
in
the
Army.
You
started
out
in
college.
You
started
out
as
a
restaurant
worker.
F
Whatever
you
may
have
worked,
we
all
started
somewhere,
so
you
have
to
look
for
those
qualities
and
talk
with
them.
So
I
do
feel
like
that
is
working
well
and
you
you
may
ask
about
some
of
the
numbers.
Well,
why
aren't
your
numbers
higher?
Well,
we
have
grown
out
of
the
700s,
which
is
good,
but
our
efforts
as
far
as
a
state
police
agency
are
much
much
better
than
others.
Some
of
the
ones
I'd
like
to
discuss
is
a
Illinois
State
Police,
their
last
class.
F
F
F
F
F
F
In
Kentucky,
our
our
crime
rates
has
kind
of
trended
overall,
with
the
national.
The
national
model.
F
A
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we
ran,
we're
starting
in
2017,
one
things
I
was
asked
to
do-
is
talk
about
crime
rates,
rule
versus
Urban.
Some
of
that
is
hard
for
us
to
track
because,
especially
in
the
current
year,
because
there's
some
agencies
that
do
not
report
in
to
our
Reporting
System,
there's
about
five
lmpd
Nelson
County
Sheriff's,
Office,
Winchester,
PD,
Davis,
County,
Sheriff's
Office
in
Owensboro,
so
those
are
some
large
metropolitan
areas
or
large
areas
that
do
not
report
to
us.
F
So
some
of
these
figures
that
we
did
if
I
say
rule
what
we
kind
of
did
is
look
at
it
as
anything
that
would
be
50,
000
people
or
more,
but
in
2017
well
and
start.
Here
too,
some
of
y'all
may
be
aware
of
part
one
crimes,
that's
typically
what
we
had
before
that
were
some
of
our
major
felonies
in
Kentucky,
but
now
what
we've
done
is
tailored
towards
with
the
FBI
on
the
reporting
system.
So
now
you
have
instead
of
part
one
crimes.
They're
called
part:
A
crabs
group,
a
crime.
F
F
F
Some
of
the
violent
offenses
have
went
up,
but
overall
reported
crimes
have
went
down
now.
I
can
say
that
I
would
like
to
thank
a
lot
of.
That
is
because
how
law
enforcement
has
tailored
some
of
the
things
dealing
with
the
community.
You
know,
for
instance,
Kentucky
State
Police.
Some
things
we
have
done
is
now
we
have
the
victims
advocate
service.
We
have
Angel
initiative.
F
We
have
community
outreach
programs,
our
shop
with
the
trooper,
our
cram,
the
cruiser
they're
Trooper
Island,
so
I
feel
like
some
of
that
is
starting
to
really
catch
holder,
especially
across
Kentucky,
to
where
you
know
we're
reaching
out.
You
know
we're
connecting
with
people
we've
tailored
our
training
towards
community
outreach
and
those
type
things
so,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
struggle
with
right
now,
that's
really
big
and
I'm.
Sure
everybody
is
aware
of
it
is
fennel,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
that
our
state
is
struggling
with.
F
But
that
is
the
thing.
That's
that's
across
the
country.
Fentanyl,
as
you
know,
is
we
work
with
our
partners
in
the
DEA
very
closely
it's
manufactured
in
China,
it's
sent
to
Mexico
and
then
it's
traffic
into
the
country
and
traffic
here
in
Kentucky,
our
lab
submissions,
which
we
take
in
lab
submissions
from
every
Police
Department
in
Kentucky
in
2012,
we
had
15
requests
that
had
Fentanyl
15.
F
And
21
we
had
five
thousand
eight
hundred
and
six
and
just
through
the
end
of
September,
we
have
a
3
900
submissions
for
fennel,
that's
through
our
KSP
laboratory.
So
obviously
you
know.
Obviously
it's
a
problem.
It's
an
issue
and
how
that
really
probably
will
head
home
here
about
the
Fentanyl
and
And
discussing
that
is,
is
the
overdoses
that
we've
had
in
2021.
We
had
2
250
deaths
due
to
drug
overdose,.
F
1562
of
those
were
contributed
to
Fentanyl,
so
in
fentanyl
is
a
you
know,
it's
extremely
dangerous,
as
everyone
knows
two
like
two
granules
of
like
salt,
an
average
person-
that's
not
a
a
drug
user
could
potentially
potentially
die
from
just
those
two
granules.
It's
very
dangerous.
F
It's
very
dangerous
for
law
enforcement
here
in
Kentucky
to
be
out
and
to
be
faced
with
that,
it's
very
dangerous
for
our
lab
Personnel.
When
those
come
in,
you
I
talk
about
all
the
submissions
that
we
had
there
with
fentanyl
some
of
the
things
that
you
know
we
have
done:
we've
purchased
the
908
devices
and
true
narcs,
where
we
don't
have
to
handle
that
it'll
tell
us
exactly
what
that
is,
but
the
scary
thing
is
that
some,
the
other
I
would
say
illegal
drugs.
That's
coming
in
to
be
examined
by
our
laboratory.
F
G
F
So
that's
something
that
we're
working
very
tightly
with
the
Drug
Enforcement
Administration
and
our
partners
here
in
Kentucky,
but
the
as
right.
Now
that
you
know
that's
one
of
the
bigger
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
is
the
Fentanyl.
F
So
that's
kind
of
a
overview
of
the
state
police,
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
going
on
and
again
I
can't
thank
everyone
enough
for
the
support
that
they
have,
because
of
that.
Morale
is
very
good
in
the
Kentucky
State
Police
and
and
by
the
support
that
we
received
on
on
numerous
things,
and
not
only
that,
but
you
know
we
have
over
a
hundred
and
seven
million
dollars
in
capital
projects
that
was
funded
by
you
by
the
legislature
for
us.
F
So
it's
very
obvious
that
the
state
police
is
very
much
supported
by
here
and
and
I.
Thank
you
and
I'm,
hoping
for
any
questions.
Well,.
A
H
Sir,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
commissioner.
Thank
you
for
being
here
just
briefly
as
we're
talking
about
recruiting
is
a
tattoo
policy
still
the
same
that
if
you
had
short
sleeve
shirt
on,
you
can't
have
visible
tattoos
and
knowing
the
number
of
guys
that
get
out
of
the
military
with
forearm
tattoos.
If
that's
still
a
policy,
is
there
any
talk
at
all
about
changing.
F
That
we
have
discussed
that
on
multiple
multiple
fronts
on
a
multiple
occasions
and
we
have
dealt
with
some
of
our
partners.
Indiana
and
their
numbers
have
not
recur,
not
increased
because
of
the
tattoo
policy.
They
did
change
that,
and
some
of
the
issues
that
was
brought
to
life
to
us
is
what
is
an
acceptable
tattoo
and
what
is
acceptable
even
if
they're
off
duty
versus
on
duty.
You
know,
there's
multiple,
multiple
things
and
symbols,
and
that
type
thing
that
can
be
construed
by
someone
as
offensive.
F
So
we
worry
about
looking
at
that.
That
would
become
what
is
ethical
on
the
tax
on
what
will
be
acceptable
on
a
tattoo,
even
if
they're,
not
in
uniform,
if
they're,
all
30
what
would
be
acceptable
and
if
we
felt
like
it
could
bring
a
hundred
Troopers
in
you
know,
we
would
be
more
willing
to
do
it,
but
the
agencies
that
we've
talked
with
what
they
said
was
there's
really
no
downside,
except
for
somebody,
possibly
that
was
in
the
military
that
would
be
able
to
come
in.
F
But
if
you
have
tattoos,
then
there
is
issues
you
have
to
look
at.
You
have
to
look
at
your
current
Personnel,
you
know
what
tattoos
are
they
getting
and
then,
if
we
keep
that
line
that
we've
had
as
far
as
our
appearance,
then
you
never
have
to
go
back
and
adjust
that
because
now
ones
that
have
had
tattoo
piles
or
had
tattoos
now
or
now,
they're
having
to
deal
with
officers
and
unions
and
I
know,
we
don't
have
unions
with
State,
Police
and
different
things,
but
now
they
want
to
have
them
on
their
hands.
F
They
won't
have
them
on
their
face
on
their
neck
or
they
want
to
have
different
things
that
could
affect
the
appearance.
So
if
you
never
deviate
from
that,
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
go
and
fight
that,
but
we
have
looked
at
things.
We've
looked
at
things:
the
possibility
of
some
incentives
to
have
a
tattoo
removed,
some
things
that
we
may
be
able
to
do,
but
we've
actually
kind
of
started.
Looking
as
a
work
group,
you
know
how
we
may
do
that.
A
C
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
we
were
very
glad
to
give
you
our
pay
raises
and
to
help
your
Recruitment,
and
especially
with
your
art.
Troopers
I,
ran
that
bill.
I
know
that
they
are
great
supplement
to
when
you're
short
and
until
you
can
get
up
to
staff.
Now
what
I
want
to
talk
about?
It
is
their
benefits.
Are
they
getting
that
yet
and
if
not,
when
is
that
going
to
be
implemented?.
F
We
There
was
an
issue
with
the
contract.
We
are
they're
going
to
get
that
for
this
contract
year.
That
contract
year
started
in
July
the
fiscal
year.
There's
still
some
things
that
we're
having
to
iron
out
and
work,
but
even
if
we
have
to
back
up,
they
are
going
to
get
those
benefits
that
the
that
come
through
with
that
bill.
F
I
Thank
you,
sir.
That's
good
news
that
the
increase
of
Troopers
and
we
all
want
that
you
don't
operate
in
Louisville.
You
never
have.
Is
that
correct
and
I
have
another
question
after
that.
Well,.
F
Wait
that
is
part
of
we
do
have
authority
there.
Obviously,
and
we
do
come
in
when
we're
requested.
You
know
we
were
there
during
the
summer
of
2020
yeah
a
lot
we
were
requested,
so
we
were
there.
We
also
we
lmpd
based.
If
we
have,
we
work
their
officer
involved
shootings.
If
we
have.
If,
if
we're
able
to
do
so,
they've
been
a
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot.
F
E
F
We
will
work
those,
but
as
far
as
a
regular,
just
a
regular,
Patrol
type
Duty,
we
do
not
have
those
there.
You
know
we
do
work,
some
drug
investigations
that
go
over
into
Jefferson
County,
but
where
our
Manpower
numbers
have
been
lower.
Some
of
the
other
surrounding
counties
that
are
don't
have
the
police
agencies
and
and
Personnel
to
be
able
to
deal
so.
We've
had
to
tailor
those
more
towards
the
rural
areas
and
that's
one
of
our
bigger
missions
is.
I
I
certainly
understand
that,
but
but
has
it
historically
always
been
that
way
or
do
I
need
to
get
a
hold
of
a.
F
Well,
our
A-Town
pulse
covers
Louisville
covers
Jefferson
County,
so
it
you
know
if
if
we
have
Personnel
available
and
If,
there
is
a
request
for
something
in
particular
a
larger
investigation
and
we
do
go
in,
but
we
do
just
with
our
limited
Manpower
and
the
roadways
that
are
in
the
E-Town
post
area,
the
interstates
and
Parkways.
We
have
to
tailor
and
push
a
lot
of
our
Personnel
towards
that
way.
I
Do
you
do
you
operate
in
Lexington?
That's
my
last
question.
F
It's
about
the
same,
it's
tailored
about
the
same
as
Jefferson
County
Fayette
County
is
that
we
as
if
we're
in
it's
more
or
less
that
we
are
requested,
we
would
work
an
officer
involved,
shooting
if
we're
requested
to
come
in
some
sort
of
our
crowd,
management
teams
or
first
some
sort
of
special
request.
A
white
collar
investigation,
those
type
things
we
do,
but
as
far
as
having
a
trooper
dedicated
just
Fayette
or
Jefferson
County.
At
this
time,
based
on
our
current
Manpower,
we
do
not.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
I'm
over
here,
for
your
presentation
and
and
for
sharing
the
good
news
about
the
Recruitment
and
retain
retention.
G
I
know
that
we
were
all
very
happy
to
support
our
law
enforcement
and
make
sure
that
you
all
got
those
raises
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that
it's
helping.
We
also
passed
a
bill
to
allow
more
online
training
for
officers.
Does
that
affect
KSP?
Or
do
you
know
if
that's
being
implemented
yet,
and
can
you
tell
me
kind
of
your
thoughts
I,
you
know.
G
F
Yeah
we
do
some
online
training,
it's
not
as
much,
because
we
can
take
our.
We
can
take
our
our
training
personnel
and
augment
them
towards
where
they're
at
like
we
could
take
them
to
Madisonville
or
our
Academy
staff,
and
we
could
train
officers
there.
We
do
it
at
our
E-Town
campus,
we'll
we'll
go
to
Pikeville,
so
we'll
do
that.
A
lot
of
what
we
do
is
if
we
have
our
own
internal
end
service,
a
lot
of
it
is
Interactive,
and
but
we
do
whenever
we
can
utilize
as
a
cost-saving
measure.
F
We
do
use
online
that
we
can
I
know
we
use
a
lot
of
online
with
our
partner
at
Doc
JT,
some
of
the
things
we
take
with
them.
You
know
we
do
do
that
online,
like
Jill's
law
and
some
of
those,
so
especially
with
our
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training.
Some
of
those
we
do
utilize
that
when
we
can
okay.
G
Thank
you
and
I
I
hope
that
you'll
stay
in
touch
with
us
and
let
us
know
how
we
can
continue
to
help
you
recruit
and
retain
officers,
and
if
I
may
I
have
one
quick
question
about
fentanyl
very
concerning
we
are
all
hearing
more
and
more
about
fentanyl.
We
are
all
very
concerned.
G
There
are
some
harm
reduction
programs
in
place
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
your
feel
for
some
of
this
we've
heard
about
fentanyl
test
strips
and
that
they
are
considered
paraphernalia.
How
do
you
deal
with
this?
Is
this
a
problem
I
mean
the
jury's
kind
of
out
as
to
whether
or
not
they
are
actually
effective
in
testing
the
drugs
that
individuals
are
using
or
if
it
changes
Behavior,
but
should
it
be
treated
as
should
these
be
treated
as
paraphernalia.
F
That's
really
on
the
treatment
side,
with
that,
we
really
don't
have
a
lot
of
involvement
with
those
fentanyl
test
strips
if
I'm
not
aware,
I'm,
not
aware
enough.
Looking
at
those
as
paraphernalia
I
am
not
okay,.
G
Okay,
well,
that's
good
news
because
you
know,
of
course
the
goal
is
to
get
individuals
into
treatment
as
well
as
reduce
the
supply
in
in
other
ways
and
I.
Think
we
do
that
through
supporting
law
enforcement
and
then
Narcan
distribution
I
mean
you
know.
Folks
are
one
pill
can
kill,
and
a
lot
of
these
counterfeit
pills,
as
you
alluded
to
are,
are
tainted
or
contained
fentanyl.
Would
you
do
you
support
the
The
increased
Narcan
distribution?
There's
talk
of
putting
a
Narcan
in
schools
like
epipens,
we're
seeing
kids
on
school
buses
overdose?
G
What
are
you?
What
are
your
thoughts
about
that.
F
J
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
J
I
did
have
a
couple
of
comments
and
then
a
couple
of
questions
first
off
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
have
been
doing
to
one
increase
the
amount
of
the
recruitment
efforts
and
then
also
it
seems
like
that.
There's
been
a
shift
in
philosophy
of
we
need
law
enforcement,
but
we
also
need
other
programs
and
other
things
to
help
communities
in
law
enforcement
come
together.
So
thank
you
for
those
efforts.
J
I
did
just
have
a
clarifying
question.
You
asked,
or
you
mentioned
something
about
the
urban
and
rural
population.
Can
you
tell
me
that
number
again,
as
far
as
how
you
determine
which
areas
are
considered
rural
and
which
areas
are
considered
Urban
well,.
F
The
way
we
looked
at
some
of
these
stats-
and
it
just
depends
how
you
break
them
down,
because
obviously
there's
there's
entities
in
Northern
Kentucky
that
that
would
have
some
of
these
larger
populations,
but
some
of
them
are
really
kind
of
broken.
You
know
broken
up
so,
but
the
way
we
looked
at
it
was
Owensboro
and
then
Jefferson
County,
Louisville,
Fayette,
County
Lexington,
so
the
ones
that
were
50
000
and
above
in
Owensboro.
J
Okay,
thank
you
and
the
other.
A
question
that
I
have
is
that
you
spoke
about
this
year.
That
KSP
has
been
has
looked
at
40
officer
involved
shootings.
Is
that
an
increase
from
previous
years?
That's
the
first
question
related
to
that,
and
then
the
second
question
is
once
those
investigations
are
finished.
How
is
that
information
reported
out
to
the
public,
or
is
it
reported
out?
How
do
folks
find
out
more
information
about
what
has
happened
in
those
incidences.
F
F
There's
one
more
we're
working
for
all
of
them,
except
for
the
FBI,
so
you
know
we
are
working
those
forever
Agency
for
Inc
in
Kentucky
and
when
those
are
closed
you
know
they
are
that
be
adjudicated
through
the
court
system
and
then
typically,
those
are
anything
that
someone
may
request
to
look
at,
but
we
don't
necessarily
put
that
forward
because
we
may
not
be.
F
K
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
for
being
here
today,
I'm
down
here.
K
It's
okay!
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
everything
the
Kentucky
State
Troopers
do.
We
are
especially
grateful
for
our
legislative
detail
here
and
in
post.
Four
is
in
my
district,
so
I'm
grateful
for
my
guys
and
and
ladies
there
you
had
mentioned
earlier
that
there
were
four
locations
that
weren't
in
the
database
that,
like
Nelson,
County,
Davis,
County
and
Owensboro.
Could
you
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
why
they're
not
in
in
there.
F
They
they
report
on
state
mandated
things
to
us,
which
is
like
a
jc3
East
citations,
those
type
of
thing,
but
this
is
Neighbors
this
thing
through
a
federal
reporting
system,
but
they,
you
know
those
do
get
reported
monthly,
but
we
don't
have
access
to
them
until
it
comes
out
at
the
end
of
the
year
through
the
crime
in
Kentucky
report.
F
But
there
actually
is
Winchester
PD,
Nelson
County,
let's
see
Owensboro
Davis
County
Sheriff's
Office,
and
they
were
one
more
but
those
five
and
that
may
just
be
it
how
they
purchase
software
were
some
of
them
on
the
submission
of
the
neighbors
report
on
the
federal
level.
They
may
do
it
through
what
they
call
their
CAD
system
computer-aided
dispatch.
So
it
may
just
be
all
one
package,
but
what
it
is
they
do
not
report
to
the
central
repository
of
Ky
Ops,
that's
Kentucky,
State
Police
runs.
F
E
No
Burnett,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
uplifting
report
on
the
progress
of
KSP.
They
certainly
make
us
proud.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
update
the
committee
on
the
number
of
rapes
reported
rapes
during
those
same
time
frames
that
you've
mentioned
in
other
crimes
and,
if
not,
if
you
could
provide
that
to
the
committee
at
a
later
point,
I.
F
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
commissioner,
we're
glad
to
hear
that
the
steps
taken
by
this
General
Assembly
are
assisting
you
in
getting
more
troopers
on
our
roads.
We
know
that
the
best
way
to
help
fight
the
crime
problem
in
Kentucky
is
to
get
more
cops
out
enforcing
our
laws,
so
I
hope
that
the
new
mayor
of
Louisville
pays
attention
to
your
testimony.
Today
you
mentioned
a
handful
of
posts
where
you're
having
trouble
recruiting
new
officers.
L
One
of
them
is
post
six
and
Dry
Ridge
in
Grant
County
in
the
heart
of
the
district
I
represent
and
I
wondered
if
you
had
any
theories
as
to
why
some
of
these
areas
aren't
performing
as
well
in
terms
of
the
recruitment
of
new
Troopers
that
they're
not
performing
as
well
as
other
parts
of
the
state.
Thank.
F
You
Mr
chairman,
and
the
reason
why
is
because
of
is
is
the
apartments
they
have
is
the
pay
that
they
had.
F
We,
we
had
a
lot
of
departments
and
we
knew
when
we
received
this
pay
raise,
because
we
had
officers
that
were
ready
to
come
over,
but
they're
saying
you
know,
our
leaders
at
our
departments
are
just
waiting
to
see
what
your
number
is
and
what
your
number
is
is
what
we're
going
to
tailor
our
efforts
towards
and
there's
some
of
them,
that
Pikeville
PD,
for
instance,
I,
think
they
give
their
officers
a
five
dollar
an
hour
pay
raise,
which
is
about
ten
thousand
dollars.
F
Berea
raised
theirs
Richmond
raised
theirs,
I
think,
fifth,
to
mirror
about
what
we
are
and
what
they
can
do.
These
smaller
departments,
they're
Nimble,
how
they're
able
to
do
things
that
you
don't
have
to
operate
on
the
state
level
like
we
do
a
two-year
budget
cycle,
so
they
were
waiting
to
see
what
those
numbers
were
where
we
were
really
jumped
ahead
of
some
of
those,
especially
Northern
Kentucky.
Then
they
just
tailored
their
numbers
to
be
able
to
raise
their
race
to
keep
from
people
from
coming
over
and
then
also
to
recruit
those.
A
F
County
Sheriff
agencies
like
that
and,
for
instance,
lmpd
they're,
paying
up
to
75
000
for
laterals,
Boone,
County
I,
think
I
have
the
stats
here,
but
I
know
they're,
starting
out
just
depending
on
how
much
experience
you
have
between
59
and
I
think
up
to
70
000
for
a
starting
Deputy
in
Boone
County.
F
So
they
are
looking
at
the
seasoned
law
enforcement
officer
and
then
I
think
it
was
Huntington
PD
across
the
river
they're
offering
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
sign-on
bonus,
so
their
their
Nimble
and
they're
just
tailoring
things
their
pay
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
compete
with
us.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation
and
the
good
news
that
you
brought
to
us
and
if
you
could
follow
up
with
Senator,
Harper
Angel
and
we'll
get
it
out
to
the
committee
on
the
data
that
was
requested.
We'd
appreciate
that,
yes,
sir,
thank
you
so.
M
A
M
I
tried
to
sit
on
this
side
and
move
it,
but
they
made
me
move
to
the
middle,
so
hello
and
good
afternoon.
I'm
Keith,
Jackson,
deputy
secretary
of
the
Department
of
Justice
and
public
safety
for
the
state
of
Kentucky
here
today
with
me
today
with
me,
are
commissioner
gillick
and
Kevin
Rader.
M
Docjt
offers
both
basic
and
Advanced
Training
for
officers
telecommunicators
in
the
state
of
Kentucky,
which
state
with
a
state
of
the
art
facility
in
Richmond
Kentucky,
the
training
materials
are
overseen
by
the
Kentucky
law
enforcement
Council
to
meet
a
Kentucky
peace
officer,
Professional
Standards,
as
mandated
by
state
statute.
Critical
training.
M
The
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training
is
continuously
revising
to
better
meet
the
standards
of
today's
law
enforcement
officers
and
Community
needs.
The
agency
is
committed
to
making
Kentucky
a
leader
in
public
safety
by
enhancing
law
enforcement
training
in
order
to
create
a
communities
to
create
safer
communities
and
and
improve
both
law
enforcement
and
the
lives
of
kentuckians
annually.
M
The
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training
approximately
offers
basic
training
to
300
recruits
in
service
training
for
6
000
officers,
schoolwork
Source
officer,
training
for
460
sros
security
officer,
training
for
to
430
officers
and
Public
Safety
dispatch
training
to
1100
telecommunicators
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
express
the
Gratitude
and
importance
of
the
of
the
bipartisan
investment
that
both
Governors
here
and
yourselves
are
committed
to
the
recruitment
retention
and
training
in
2022.
M
These
efforts
not
only
improve
the
professionalism
and
numbers
in
the
field
of
law
enforcement,
but
also
help
Kentucky
communities
remain
safe
in
each
of
his
budget
proposal.
Proposals
Governor
Pursuit
advocated
for
increasing
the
training
stipend
for
certified
law
enforcement
officers,
who
complete
the
state
mandated
40
hours
of
annual
training.
The
legislator
legislature
understood
the
value
of
this
investment
included.
M
This
request
in
2022
increasing
the
training
stipend
from
four
thousand
dollars
to
four
thousand
three
hundred
dollars.
This
increase
ensures
Kentucky
officers,
have
training,
needs
their
training
need
enhanced
and
to
protect
each
community
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
M
Equally
important,
these
additional
funds
help
officers
officers
to
better
provide
for
their
families
when
they
put
their
lives
on
the
line
for
each
and
one
of
us.
Every
day
in
2022,
the
legislator
legislative
session
lawmakers
passed
House
Bill
556,
requiring
docjt
to
offer
10
of
basic
training
hours
by
January
of
2025
and
30
of
in-service
training
hours
to
be
virtual
by
January
of
2024..
M
We
learned
many
things
during
the
pandemic,
including
how
we
can
better
utilize
technology
to
improve
our
lives
better,
manage
our
time,
enhance
our
service
delivery
and
become
more
efficient
in
our
jobs.
By
offering
virtual
training
options,
docjt
will
take
advantage
of
the
advancements
in
adult
learning
and
help
bring
virtual
training
and
and
help
bring
virtual
training
and
our
law
enforcement
into
the
21st
century.
Expansion
of
virtual
training
will
also
help
the
Commonwealth
recruit
a
more
diverse
and
new
generations
of
Public
Safety
officers,
who
represent
the
diversity
of
the
communities
that
they
serve.
M
An
important
another
important
investment
in
law
enforcement
training
has
the
has
includes
the
military
to
law
enforcement
program.
A
new
initiative
launched
by
Kentucky
law
enforcement,
Council
m2le,
will
allow
local
law
enforcement
agencies
to
hire
active
service
members
within
all
branches
of
the
military.
During
the
last
180
days
of
service
upon
being
contracted
by
law
enforcement
agencies,
the
military
member
will
continue
to
receive
pay
and
benefits
while
being
trained
by
being
still
played
by
the
military
and
then
trained
by
docjt.
M
Again.
This
will
add
this
will
help
to
address
the
recruitment
issues
that
law
enforcement
agencies
across
the
state
are
facing,
as
well
as
tailoring
our
training
requirements
to
better
to
better
serve
the
applicants
in
the
field
without
undermining
the
quality
of
recruits.
M
The
2022,
Commonwealth
and
Kentucky
budget,
effective
July
1
authorized
more
than
28
million
dollars
for
a
fire
range
to
be
built
at
the
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training
and
the
Richmond
campus.
The
firing
range
would
be
a
part
of
a
multi-purpose
training
facility
which
would
conduct
all
kinds
of
training
necessary
for
law
enforcement.
M
The
2022
budget
Bill
also
included
2.5
million
for
Western
Kentucky
sites
feasibility
study
to
be
conducted
on
on
potentially
constructing
an
additional
facility
in
Western
Kentucky
EOP
Architects
was
awarded
a
contract
via
the
court
via
the
request
for
a
proposal
in
July
of
2022.
to
conduct
the
study
and
EOP
completed
this
complete
completed.
The
study
for
361
thousand
and
fifty
six
dollars
the
research
was
recently
completed
in
Doc
JT
is
nearly
done
with
the
report
due
to
the
legislator
legislatures
on
this
study,
we
should
be
submitting
that
to
you
soon
constructing
a
do.
M
Jc
doc,
JT
facility
in
Western
Kentucky,
will
allow
law
enforcement
agencies
in
the
region
to
continue
to
receive
top-tier
training.
They
have
come
to
expect,
while
keeping
those
officers
closer
to
home,
decreasing
Transportation
costs
and
reducing
work
disruptions
in
in
the
agencies.
A
Western
Kentucky
facility
was
also
increased.
The
number
of
training
slots
available
at
deals
for
docjt
in
the
on
the
Richmond
campus
for
agencies
serving
Northern
and
Eastern
Kentucky.
Currently
officers
wait
three
months
to
attend
the
basic
training
course
in
Richmond.
M
The
current
doc
JT
Richmond
campus
is
limited
in
growth
opportunities
as
it
is
surrounded
by
the
Eastern
Kentucky
University
campus.
At
this
potential
Western
Kentucky
facility.
The
ocjt
would
be
able
to
accommodate
an
anticipated
40
to
45
in-service
classes
of
30
officers
and
anticipated
two
telecommunicate
telecommunicator
classes
of
24
trainees
and
an
eight-hours
school
resource
officer,
training
course.
The
proposed
program
and
facilities
for
this
Madisonville
campus
is
estimated
to
cost
approximately
150
million
dollars
for
the
project.
This
does
not
include
the
estimated
7
million
per
year
for
operating
costs.
M
It
is
essential
that
we
continue
to
make
investments
necessary
to
incentivize
the
law
enforcement
profession,
so
we
can
recruit,
retain
and
train
highly
skilled,
passionate
and
committed
Public
Safety
officers.
A
N
You
Mr
chairman
I'm
interested
in
asking
about
a
different
topic,
and
that
is
juvenile
detention
centers.
If
I
might
real
quickly,
we
have
an
emergency
situation
in
Louisville
and
now
in
Adair
County
in
Jefferson
County,
all
the
juvenile
detainees
were
removed
to
Dare
County
a
couple
days
ago,
again,
we
had
the
inmates
the
juveniles
take
over
the
facility.
I
understand
that
we
have
an
employee,
that's
still
fighting
for
his
life
right
now
today
in
ICU,
and
that
there
was
a
a
rape
of
multiple
inmates
on
a
different
inmate.
N
M
In
relative
to
that
question,
there's
still
an
investigation,
so
we're
not
I'm
not
able
to
report
on
that.
We
was
there
a
rate
I'm
not
able
to
report
on
that
right
now,
sir,
because
it's
under
investigation,
but
when
we
look
at
the
the
basics
of
your
questions,
is
that
we
are
working
very
hard
to
to
ensure
that,
as
we
present
it
to
you
a
few
weeks
ago
on
how
we
respond
and
how
we
are
working,
how
we
are
utilizing
the
resources
that
we
have
presently.
M
So
when
we
look
at
whether
or
not
whether
the
the
children
are
moved
or
separated,
they
they
have
been,
and
they
are.
Unfortunately,
as
you
stated,
those
those
issues
are
occurring
and
we
are
doing
our
best
to
ensure
that
we're
implementing
policies
and
procedures
that
that
protect
the
children
that
are
under
our
care.
It.
N
Seems
to
me,
like
the
easiest
policy
to
implement,
would
be
to
separate
boys
from
Girls.
When
I
asked
the
secretary
that
he
gave
me
some
answer
about,
it
would
be
wrong
to
treat
genders
differently,
which
is
obviously
utter
nonsense,
because
within
my
own
District
we
have
a
prison
for
just
women.
We've
been
doing
that
since
time
immemorial.
So
when
are
we
going
to
stop
housing
boys
with
girls?
We
now
have
a
gang
rape
that
just
happened.
N
This
is
the
most
foreseeable
thing
in
the
history
of
mankind.
So
we
can.
You
guys
need
to
ask
for
more
funding,
I
suppose
we'll
be
right.
On
top
of
it.
You
never
asked
for
funny
that
we
didn't.
We
didn't
appropriate
to
my
knowledge
on
this
question.
We
want
to
work
together
on
doing
those
kinds
of
things,
but
the
first
step,
Mr
secretary,
that
needs
to
be
done
right
now
is
we've
got
to
separate
boys
from
girls.
N
We
say:
kids,
that's
a
great
word:
they're
kids,
they're,
violent
offenders,
they're
they're
children,
but
they're
violent
offenders,
and
now
we
have
a
gang
rape.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
I
told
the
secretary
separate
them
now,
and
he
gave
me
some
mumbo
jumbo
about
how
we
don't
want
to
treat
boys
and
girls
differently.
N
I
want
to
be
on
your
team
here,
but
you,
the
administration,
is
not
protecting
these
kids
from
one
another.
We
can't
protect,
everybody
I
get
it,
but
this
was
foreseeable
and
when
not
only
do
we
have
the
gang
rape,
but
we
have
an
employee.
Today
is
my
understanding
if
I'm
wrong,
please
correct
me:
we
have
an
employee,
that's
in
ICU
right
now,
fighting
for
his
life,
because
the
facility
was
overtaken
again.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I'm
I'm,
very
disturbed
by
what
I
just
heard
and
I
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
my
colleague,
but
that
wasn't
my
question.
I
I
want
to
ask
about
house
bills.
565
and
I
appreciate
your
work
on
on
getting
that
implemented.
I
want
to
know
if
you're
on
track
to
fulfill
the
30
percent
of
online
classes
as
classes
not
as
seats.
The
way
that
it
was
laid
out
in
statute
was
that
30
percent
of
the
online
training
should
be
30.
O
So
when,
when
we
plan
our
our
own
service
training
for
the
upcoming
year,
we
start
off
with
looking
at
the
number
of
officers
that
are
going
to
need
training
and
for
2023,
for
example,
we
are
estimating
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
provide
40
hours
of
in-service
for
about
6
300
officers.
O
So
our
our
first
course
that
we
do.
The
first
thing
that
we
do
is
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
seat
in
a
40-hour
class
for
all
40
or
all
6
300
officers,
and
then
from
there
we
add
on
an
additional
amount
to
make
up
for
any
kind
of
logistical
issues,
with
scheduling
and
some
folks
register
for
class
and
have
to
cancel
because
something
comes
up.
O
O
Now,
I
hear
your
question
about
the
actual
topics
that
that
what
what
we're
working
towards
that
we're
trying
to
have.
As
many
classes
that
are
suitable
for
online
delivery,
when
I
mean
suitable,
it
really
comes
down
to
the
subject
matter.
O
But
the
the
thing
that
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
is
that
access
to
the
training
itself,
if
we
do
it
just
solely
on
the
basis
of
the
number
of
classes,
there
are
some
classes
that
we
only
offer
once
a
year,
some
classes
that
we
offer
multiple
times
a
year,
because
there
there's
a
higher
demand
for
that
subject
matter,
and
so
we
you
know
we
were
we're
striving,
at
least
in
the
in
the
2023
year,
that
we
are
able
to
offer
the
maximum
number
of
opportunities
for
officers
and
deputies
and
and
our
agencies
to
have
access
to
a
virtual
training
option
again.
O
Moving
forward
it'll
be
a
balance
where
we've
got
a
new
section
that
we've
put
together
in
the
last
year,
where
one
of
their
primary
duties
is
called
our
instructional
design
section
one
of
their
primary
duties
as
a
section
is
to
do
do
this
development
of
the
online
training.
O
But
as
we
move
forward
in
that
planning,
the
really
the
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
the
high
level
access
we,
we
felt
like
that
once
you
know,
we
were
talking
with
the
Chiefs
and
sheriffs
at
that.
High
level
of
access
was
something
that
was
important
to
consider,
but
that
is
a
balance,
and
you
know
we
I
just
recently
met
with
the
Kentucky
association
association,
Chiefs
of
police
I'm,
going
to
be
meeting
with
the
sheriff
soon
at
the
conference,
and
this
is
an
ongoing
topic
of
of
how
to
you
know.
O
We
clearly
hear
the
need
for
in-service,
for
virtual
training
options
and
in-service
is,
is
working
with
our
our
clients.
We
see
them
as
our
clients.
We
consider
ourselves
a
service
agency
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
that
and
something
that
is
Meaningful
for
them.
But
you
know
we
are
well
on
our
way.
I
feel
like
to
making
sure
that
that
our
clients
have
that
ready
access
to
Virtual
trading
options,
if
that's,
what
they
choose
and
how
best
to
deliver
that
we
are
we're
well
on
our
way
to.
G
Get
here,
thank
you.
That's
that
is
good
to
hear
I'm
glad
that
you're
meeting
with
with
the
folks
who
are
really
able
to
help
help
you
think
through
the
implementation
and
so
I
appreciate
that
I,
just
I
would
hate
to
limit
the
individuals
who
might
want
to
take
a
class
online.
G
G
If
I
may
ask
one
more
question:
I
I
appreciate
that
your
opening
academies
elsewhere
in
the
state
I
you
know
I
know
that
there's
a
great
need
in
West
West
Kentucky
in
Northern
Kentucky
we
have
7
000,
roughly
7
000
officers
and
I
would
just
submit
that
we
have
a
great
need
to
to
bring
training
a
little
bit
closer
to
the
Northern
Kentucky
officers
as
well.
G
We
have,
as
I
said
many
many
officers
and
I,
really
think
that
you
know
part
of
the
testimony
that
we've
heard
today
indicates
that
moving
the
training
closer
to
individuals
and
to
their
families
would
help
you
with
Recruitment
and
Retention.
So
I
hope
that
at
some
point
we
can
start
having
these
conversations
about
how
to
better
serve
not
just
certain
parts
of
the
state
but
all
of
our
state.
So
thank
you.
J
My
background
has
been
in
Juvenile
Justice,
and
this
is
no
anything
to
you
all,
but
I
also
want
this
body,
this
committee
and
our
entire
electives
to
know
and
understand
in
2016
Janaya
McMillan
was
a
black
young
juvenile
who
lost
her
lives,
her
life
inside
a
detention
center,
and
we
have
failed
to
act
since
2016.
J
and
so
I
think
that
what
we
are
seeing
right
now
in
our
detention
centers
is
is,
is
a
reflection
of
this
body
failing
to
act
as
it
relates
to
our
young
people
who
are
Justice
involved,
and
it
is
very
unfortunate
to
what
is
happening
in
our
detention,
centers
and
I.
Hope
and
I
hope
that
the
things
that
representative
Nema
spoke
about
are
not
true,
and
if
they
are
true,
we
should
be
ashamed
as
leaders
that
our
most
vulnerable
population
of
young
people
are
dealing
with
this
in
our
custody.
J
A
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
and
then
we'll
close
out
I,
don't
think
there's
any
more
questions.
So
the
report
that
you
just
gave
commission
or
secretary
is
that
will
will
that
report
be
delivered
in
an
official
capacity
to
the
legislature
in
an
official
report
at
the
end
of
this
month?
Is.
A
Sir,
be
delivered
to
both
Chambers
leadership.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir?
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
guess
just
to
expand
a
little
bit
more.
You
know,
obviously
the
one
the
reason
we
were
looking
to
do
something
in
the
way
in
Western
Kentucky
was
because
of
the
drive
because
of
the
weight
of
the
classroom
weight.
Many
folks,
many
officers
in
Western
Kentucky
are
being
hired
and
they're
having
to
ride,
doubles
with
in
cars
for
six
eight
months.
A
So
can
you
when
this
is
when
the
new
Western
Kentucky
campus,
is
opened
and
fully
functioning?
What
do
you
see
the
wait
time
being
for
a
new
officer?
That's
hired
in
Kentucky?
Is
it
going
to
be
immediate?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
month?
What
what
are
you?
What
are
you
hoping
for?
What's
your
number
show
I'll.
O
So
the
the
currently
the
the
three-month
that
that
is,
some
that's
an
average.
It
depends
on
kind
of
what
time
of
the
year
and
where
agencies
are
in
their
hiring
Cycles.
But
nonetheless,
any
weight
is,
is
a
significant
issue
for
that
agency.
O
The
the
the
the
current
plan
and
I
don't
want
to
get
in
front
of
the
the
the
the
the
final
document,
but
as
the
deputy
secretary
gave
it
as
open
opening
remarks,
the
the
initial
planning
that
we
have
is
going
to
be
primarily
on
in-service
delivery
and
I
in
the
development,
with
the
hopes
that
in
the
future
that
could
be
developed
into
something
something
closer
resembling.
What
we
have
in
Richmond
for
you
know
for
for
us
to
have
an
impact
on
the
backlog
for
basic
training.
A
M
Ought
to
be
for
not
only
the
in-service
training
but
SRO
training,
telecommunicator
training
and
any
of
the
other
training
that
we
offer
outside
of
the
basic
training
will
be
conducted
in
Madisonville.
A
Very
good,
that's
all
I
needed
to
know
any
other
questions
for
our
panel
representative
Mosher.
G
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
I,
just
want
to
correct
myself
and-
and
you
all
were
very
kind
not
to
tell
me.
I
was
wrong
on
the
number
of
officers
in
Northern
Kentucky
I
misspoke
at
7,
000
Statewide,
a
thousand
in
Northern
Kentucky,
but
still
the
need
exists.
So
thank
you
for
indulging
me.
Thank
you.
A
A
P
Three
people
who
are
leaving
this
committee
and
leaving
the
general
assembly
all
three
of
these
individuals
have
represented
their
areas.
P
All
of
them
are
from
all
across
Kentucky
Warren,
County,
Jefferson,
County
and
Kenton
County
and
I'll
start
with
the
lady
from
Warren
representative
Mentor,
who
came
here
and
has
worked
hard
and
diligently
on
behalf
of
her
constituents,
and
she
always
put
them
first
and
the
people
of
Warren
County
they're,
going
to
miss
her
service,
because
not
only
did
she
represent
Warren
County,
she
represented
those
who
didn't
have
a
voice
and
she
stood
up
for
what
was
right
and
I
can
also
say
that
to
the
lady
from
Jefferson
Cantrell,
who
decided
to
to
run
for
the
judicial
branch
of
government
and
the
one
thing
about
the
lady
from
Jefferson
was
that
she
felt
very
passionate
about
the
law
and
she
worked
very
hard
across
the
aisle
with
those
who
are
within
the
law
and
I.
P
Think
that
at
some
point
in
time,
we
will
hear
from
her
again
whether
in
the
judicial
branch
or
the
executive
branch
or
the
legislative
branch.
But
she
too
was
a
an
individual
who
came
here
with
the
idea.
Not
of
what
she
could
do
for
herself,
but
what
she
could
do
for
the
people
that
she
represented
in
Jefferson
County,
and
the
gentleman
from
Canton
representative
Wheatley
had
to
step
out.
P
He
had
another
meeting,
but
I
know
that
District
that
he
represented
before
that
Arnold
Simpson
represented
that
district
and
Arnold
Simpson
left
a
legacy
that
he
followed
and
he
did
the
exact
same
thing
that
Arnold
Simpson.
He
tried
to
work
across
the
how
aisle
and
he
was
very
successful
in
doing
that
with
a
lot
of
legislation
and
we're
very
proud
of
the
fact
that,
no
matter
what
the
the
obstacles
were,
all
three
of
these
individuals
were
determined.
P
A
P
A
Thank
you,
representative
Graham.
We
in
sometimes
we
get
in
as
chairman,
you
get
in
a
haste
and
hurry
and
I
appreciate
being
called
on
that
we
actually
have
10
people
that
are
leaving
the
committee
and
retiring.
So
we're
going
to
have
quite
a
bit
of
turnover
here.
So
we
have
Senator
McGarvey
Senator,
Schroeder,
representative
Cantrell,
representative
duplessy,
representative
Fisher,
representative
flood
represent
Mentor
rep,
representative
Scott
and
representative
Wheatley,
so
we
do
have
quite
a
bit
of
over
turnover.
N
Thank
you,
I
think
we
all
want
to
associate
ourselves
with
representative
Graham's
comments
as
well.
I
think
the
job
well
done
for
everyone
leaving
I
also
want
to
mention
one
additional
person
in
particular,
and
that's
the
chairperson,
the
chairman
Jerry
Miller
who's,
a
dear
friend
of
mine
when
I
came
into
the
general
assembly.
N
He
kind
of
helped
me
out
and
showed
me
the
ropes
a
little
bit,
but
with
respect
to
policy
he's
a
Titan,
the
difficulties
that
we
face
over
the
last
decade,
most
of
them
most
of
the
big
ones,
have
been
put
right
in
his
lap.
He
didn't
he
didn't
shy
away
from
any
of
them
in
the
pension
debates.
He
came.
He
he
guided
us
through
those
on
very
difficult
times
and
he
did
it
with
the
plum.
N
He
also
for
the
first
time
in
nearly
50
years,
enacted
a
redistricting
plan
that
that
passed
judicial
muster,
and
it
was
a
Judicial
plan
that
was
attacked
but
not
attacked
for
its
for
racial
composition,
as
he
was
virulently
attacked
on
the
floor
for
that.
But
there
was
no
challenge
there
and
the
courts
have
upheld
his
plan,
Jerry
Miller,
from
whatever
Bill
he
put
to
the
floor.
He
always
did
it
as
a
happy
warrior.
N
Somebody
who,
with
those
who
just
who
disagree
with
him,
he
would
disagree
with
a
smile
and
those
who
agreed
with
him.
He
would
go
to
battle
for
so
we'll
miss
Jerry
Miller
in
the
general
assembly,
but
a
bigger
loss
is
for
the
people
of
the
city
of
Louisville.
So
I
wanted
to
recognize
his
service
and
friendship.