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A
We
do
not
have
a
quorum,
so
we
will
hold
up
on
approving
them.
The
minutes
from
the
September
21st
meeting
this
morning,
we'll
be
hearing
from
the
Department
of
Corrections
regarding
the
various
budget
initiatives
enacted
during
the
past
session
and
I
would
ask
folks
here
from
the
Department
of
Corrections.
Please
come
forward
and
if
you
all
would
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
you
will
have
the
floor.
C
They
are
the
subject
matter,
experts,
so
I'm,
probably
going
to
turn
the
rest
of
the
time
over
to
them.
But
again,
we
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
invitation
to
discuss
these
projects
with
you.
We're
especially
excited
to
update
you
on
Capital
Construction.
We
have
the
opportunity
this
biennium
to
do
some
large
projects,
as
well,
as
you
know,
get
to
work
on
some
of
the
Deferred
maintenance
that
we've
been
unable
to
do
in
previous
years.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
that,
and
we
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
D
Amy
I'm
sorry
I
am
Mike
McKinney
I
am
the
director
of
administrative
services
for
the
Department
of
Corrections,
I
kind
of
want
to
start
off
a
little
bit
talking
about
our
capital
budget.
We
are
very
happy
to
to
start
this
conversation
with
the
fact
that
we
received
a
good
bid
on
our
little
Sandy
expansion.
Last
week.
We
are
going
to
accept
that
bid
and
we're
looking
to
start
the
construction
phase
of
that
project
within
the
next
30
days.
So
we're
very
excited
that
we've
moved
that
far
in
in
that
process.
D
D
That
project
is
kind
of
at
the
end
of
the
design
phase.
We
are
hoping
to
wrap
that
up
very
soon
and
it's
our
projection
at
this
point
in
time
that
we're
going
to
start
construction
in
January
on
that
project,
so
both
of
those
projects
are
moving
along
very
nicely.
At
this
point
in
time
we
were
very
fortunate
to
have
been
given
44
million
for
our
miscellaneous
maintenance
pool,
like
Miss
Norton,
said
we're,
we're
excited
and
grateful
to
get
that
money
for
years.
D
I
think
the
department
has
been
operating
in
a
kind
of
a
reactionary
process
when
it
comes
to
repairing
our
grounds
and
our
facilities
and
things
that
it
needed.
D
This
44
million
really
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
be
proactive
and
and
fix
things
that
we've
needed
to
fix
for
many
many
years,
so
we're
very
excited
to
have
that
we're
in
the
process
of
of
setting
up
projects.
For
that
we're
doing
a
review
of
all
of
our
needs.
Like
I
said,
we've
we've
lived
many
years
in
that
reactionary
process.
So
so
now
it's
we
want
to
do
everything
we
can
with
this
44
million
and
address
the
the
critical
needs
that
we
have,
and
so
we
felt
it
was
important
to
do
that.
D
Review
and
kind
of
get
out
of
that
reactionary
mindset
that
we've
been
in
so
we're.
We've
got
a
lot
of
HVAC
issues.
We've
got
a
lot
of
re-roofs
that
need
to
be
done.
We've
got
a
32
year
old
facility
at
Eastern,
Kentucky
Correctional
Complex.
That
needs
a
lot
of
work
done
to
it.
We're
excited
to
be
able
to
move
forward
and
do
some
of
those
things
there.
D
Some
of
our
other
line
item
projects
that
we
had
are
currently
in
active
procurement
status.
Those
include
the
water
tower
maintenance
and
the
the
penitentiary
fencing.
So
those
are
those
are
currently
out
in
procurement
status.
D
As
far
as
moving
on
past
the
capital,
we
were
given
some
money
to
do
some
vehicle
purchases.
D
D
These
were
all
done
through
Kentucky
Master
agreements,
orders
have
been
placed
I
think
we
have
an
ETA
on
delivery
for
the
probation
and
pro
vehicles
December
those
come
in
just
a
little
higher
than
expected,
but
those
24
Vehicles
do
do
meet
the
direct
needs
that
we
have
at
this
point
in
time.
D
We
were
also
given
four
dollar
four
dollar
increase
in
our
County
Jail
per
diem,
based
on
all
of
our
projections
and
and
trends
that
we're
seeing
those
are
trends
that
we
projected
in
our
budget
request.
D
So
at
this
time
we
do
not
have
any
issues
with
funding
the
current
Trend
and
the
current
projection
that
we
have
for
that
four
dollars,
so
we
feel,
like
we've,
got
the
money
to
cover
that
and
that
kind
of
wraps
up
kind
of
my
my
Spiel
as
far
as
talking
about
the
the
budget
requests
and
the
things
that
we
were
given.
In
addition,
if
y'all
have
any
questions.
A
Foreign,
thank
you
passed
all
the
the
maintenance
that
needs
to
be
done.
Do
you
all
have
a
long-term
plan?
What
are
the
needs?
I
know
as
we
move
towards
vocational
programs
within
the
prisons.
Do
you
all
have
a
long-term
plan
with
most
the
facilities
on
expanding
those
programs
or
how
many
of
those
facilities
do?
We
have
existing
structures
that
are
up
to
date
and
are
are
functioning
effectively?
That's.
D
Been
a
part
of
our
process
for
the
44
million
miscellaneous
maintenance
pull
funds.
We
really
wanted
to
take
time
and
and
get
a
good
analysis
of
what
is
needed
at
each
of
our
facilities.
D
So
we've
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time.
We've
had
some
Consultants
come
in
and
kind
of
help
us
prioritize
like
we
said
we
want
to
spend
that
44
million
on
our
critical
needs,
but
at
the
same
time
we
want
to
kind
of
develop
our
plan
of
what
we
we
do
need
because
we're
getting
ready
to
work
on
our
next
maintenance
plan.
It's
it's.
D
It
will
work
on
it
for
next
year
for
our
next
budget
cycle,
so
we're
taking
the
time
necessary
to
review
what
we
need
in
those
in
each
of
our
facilities
and
and
try
to
give
everybody
the
best
plan.
We
can
come
up
with.
A
In
in
addressing
staffing
issues,
I
know
that's
been
a
a
problem.
Are
you
all
still
using
probation
and
parole
officers
to
to
fill
in
where
you're
we
have
weak
spots
and
is?
Is
yes?
Do
you
all
anticipate
that
stopping
at
any
point
is
it
with
the
pay
increases?
Is
that
helping
any
staffing
coming
up
any
or
is
that
still.
D
We're
we're
actively
recruiting
for
our
staffing.
We
still,
we
are
still
using
probation,
parole
officers
at
several
facilities.
I
do
know
that
a
couple
of
facilities
have
improved
enough
to
maybe
not
have
to
need
that
they
still
have
staffing
issues.
I
don't
want
to
make
it
sound
like
we
don't
still
have
vacancy
issues
at
some
of
our
institutions,
but
that
is
helping,
but
we're
constantly
working
on
plans
and
new
methods
to
try
to
draw
in
people
and-
and
we
still
have
vacancy
issues,
but
we're
constantly
working
on.
A
It
the
the
secretary,
spoke
the
other
day
on
some
of
the
juvenile
facilities,
and
they
are
that
he
has
a
plan
where
I
guess
it's
the
the
facilities
where
they're
having
the
most
struggles
they're
using
some
of
the
funds
allocated
for
Staffing
to
provide
raises
significant
raises
for
those
places
has
have
you
all
implemented.
Any
plans
like
that
and
because
of
the
short
staffing
and
some
of
the
the
savings
due
to
that.
Have
you
have
you
used
that
funding
to
to
supplement
other
position,
not
other
positions,
but
existing
positions.
C
So
in
Corrections
and
I'm
sure
they
will
correct
me
if
I
get
any
of
these
numbers
wrong,
but
with
corrections
they
had
made
an
effort
previous
this
year
to
increase
the
locality,
pay
and
some
of
the
facilities
in
order
to
try
and
recruit
in
those
hard
to
recruit
locations,
and
they
had
also
that's
actually
every.
C
Oh
every
facility
I'm,
sorry
and
they
had
also
increased
the
shift
differential
pay
to
try
to
fill
some
of
those
harder
to
fill
shifts
on
the
weekends
and
at
night.
And
so
where
we
brought
up.
Juvenile
Justice
was
actually
to
the
level
that
Corrections
was
at
onshift
differential
and
the
locality
pay.
A
I
say
thank
you
and
I
think
that's
the
the
language
that
secretary
used
also
senator
schickel.
E
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
This
is
a
topic
that
interests
me.
A
lot.
I
do
have
a
few
questions.
First,
is
it
clarification
just
for
my
own
education,
the
juvenile,
the
the
thyrish
for
the
people
working
at
our
secure
juvenile
facilities?
Are
they
under
you
or
not?
Is
that
a
different
different
pot
of
money
are.
C
No,
they
have
a
separate
budget,
the
Department
of
Juvenile,
Justice
and
Department
of
Corrections.
Those
are
separated.
E
Tell
me
about
the
you
mentioned
the
fence
at
Eddyville.
Well,
what
are
the
plans
for
the
fence?
What
are
we,
what
are
we
paying
for.
D
So
that
that's
currently
in
active
procurement
status,
I
I,
may
have
the
exact
details
here.
I
know
we're
doing
some
fencing
there
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
of
what
they're
actually
doing
I
do
know
the
the
pricing.
Okay.
E
Thank
you
and
lastly,
I
want
to
ask
about
the
death
chamber
at
Eddyville
I'm,
going
to
be
talking
to
some
of
our
Attorney
General
candidates.
As
you
know,
we
have
a
death
penalty
in
Kentucky.
It's
been
a
long
time
since
it's
been
used.
It's
my
hope
that
we
can
start
using
it
again
and
that
we'll
have
an
attorney
general
elected
that
will
start
pursuing
that.
As
you
know,
the
that
protocol
is
under
the
commissioner
of
Corrections
other
than
the
drug
cocktail.
A
D
A
A
Please,
okay:
we've
talked
about
the
the
facilities
as
far
as
being
passed
or
we
passed
the
critical
issues
with
with
Staffing
and
safety
concerns
within
each
facility.
Are
we
I
mean
I
know
it's
nowhere
close
to
where
it
needs
to
be
and
where
it
should
be,
but
it
is,
are
we
past
the
crisis
time
in
most
of
these
facilities,
or
are
there
still
major
concerns
about
safety?
A
I
mean
we
we
heard
about
in
with
DJJ
in
the
Louisville
facility
and
all
the
the
issues
that
we've
had
there
and
I
I
know
you
all
are
very
sensitive
to
those
issues
throughout
the
Commonwealth.
What
what
perception
is
there
from
from
your
your
seats.
D
We
still
have
some
some
vacancy
issues
that
are
that
are
probably
in
the
critical
status.
We
have
two
institutions
at
this
point
in
time
that,
in
order
to
to
decrease
that
critical
nature,
the
penitentiary
and
Green
River
Correctional
Complex,
where
we've
actually
closed
dorms
there
in
order
to
not
need
as
many
staff
in
those
those
institutions.
So
we've
moved
some
of
that
inmate
population
to
institutions
where
we
have
a
better
vacancy
rate
in
order
to
address
some
of
those
some
of
those
issues.
D
But
we
do
have
plans
in
place
to
try
to
make
that
less
than
than
what
it
could
be.
A
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
getting
back
to
the
death
chamber
from
a
budgetary
standpoint,
I
I'm,
just
thinking,
maybe
I,
didn't
explain
myself
thoroughly
before
I
want
to
know
if
I'm
a
budgetary
standpoint,
maybe
it's
something
you
need
to
be
working
on
for
next
year,
other
than
the
drug
cocktail.
If
executions
become
legal
or
they
are
legal
now,
they're
delayed.
E
If,
if
the
delay
is
lifted
by
the
courts,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
other
deficiencies
that
may
be
challenged
and
because
of
budgetary
constraints,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
addressed,
am
I
clear,
yes,
okay,
yes,.
A
During
the
when
the
secretary
testified
on
on
DJJ,
the
conversation
was
had
about
the
the
population
of
juveniles
that
are
detained
as
we
in
in
Kentucky.
We
have
less
and
less
of
a
stomach
to
detain
or
imprison
anyone.
It
seems
so
as
a
result
of
that.
A
The
population
that
remains
whether
it
be
juveniles
that
are
detained
or
held
in
facilities
or
in
our
prisons
are
more
violent
offenders,
which
can
create
some
some
unique
problems
for
Staffing
and,
as
we
are
already
short
staffed
and
I
I
can
see
that
population
that
remains
within
the
prisons
as
being
more
violent
than
10
20
years
ago,
because
we
just
seem
to
have
an
open
door
policy
and
everybody's
a
victim
and
we
let
everybody
out
of
prison
and
just
to
reoffend
the
highest
murder
rates.
Senator
schickel
correct
me.
A
If
I'm
wrong
in
almost
every
state
and
in
this
Society,
it
seems
that
that
violence
has
become
dorm
in
the
media,
glorifies
it
and
it's
accepted
and
fighting
the
police
and
and
attacking
the
police
and
anyone
in
Authority
is
just
seems
to
be
okay
these
days
and
that's
the
that's
the
atmosphere
that
we
have
set
within
our
country
at
this
point.
Unfortunately,
but
how
do
we
address
that
is?
A
Do
you
all
have
discussions
about
that
and
in
considering
budgeting
and
and
increasing
the
safety
protocol
and
equipment
and
all
of
that
because
I
there
is
no
doubt
that
the
the
population
is
going
to
become
more
and
more
violent
as
time
goes
by
and
and
we
let
everybody
the
the
Lesser
offenders
will
be
out
on
the
streets.
Do
you
all
have
discussions
about
that?
Is
it
something
that
doc
plans
for.
D
Security
security
concerns
on
our
institutions
are
top
priority.
When
we
talk
about
our
budgetary
needs,
the
safety
of
our
staff
are
definitely
top
of
the
agenda
when
we
talk
about
budgetary
needs
and
what
we
need.
We've
worked
hard
over
the
last
couple
of
years
to
upgrade
equipment,
especially
when
Staffing
is,
is
low.
We've
we've
worked
to
upgrade
equipment,
maybe
to
help
with
with
some
of
those
staffing
issues
so
that
that
is
always
in
our
discussion.
Yes,
sir,
does.
A
That
I
mean
is
that
been
noticed
within
the
facilities
that
the
the
incidents-
and
you
all
may
not
be
able
to
answer
this.
We
probably
needed
some
folks
from
other
areas
of
DLC
to
answer
some
of
these
questions,
but
it
is
as
the
budgetary
process
and
has
that
been
raised
up
any
notches
into
where
it
is
more
of
a
concern
than
it
was
in
the
past
because
of
the
population
being
imprisoned.
C
D
We've
put
body
scanners
at
every
institution,
we've
upgraded
metal
detectors.
We
have
upgraded
various
equipment,
security,
camera
systems
have
all
been
upgraded
across
the
state.
When
you,
when
you
may
be
low
on
staff,
you
may
still
have
a
camera
to
where
you
can
see
things.
It
kind
of
makes
things
a
little
easier.
So
we've
worked
really
hard
to
upgrade
those
systems
at
every
institution
that
we
have.
Okay
was.
A
D
But
we've
we've
managed
to
function.
We
haven't
had
to
ask
for
NGE
in
the
last
few
years,
so
that's
been
different
for
us,
but
we
have
been
able
to
focus
on
a
lot
of
that
equipment
needs
because
of
some
of
that
too.
So
that
has
kind
of
helped
us
out
meeting
some
of
those
upgrades
that
we've
needed
for
that.
A
E
Senator
schickel
yeah
I'm
sitting
here
thinking
up
stuff
and
this
might
a
budget
people
might
know.
This
is
like
the
chairman
said,
and
we're
asking
you
questions
that
probably
the
commissioner
should
be
answering,
but
the
you
might
I'm
really
concerned
about
12-hour
shifts
and
I
know
that
they
were
on
12-hour
shifts
for
quite
a
while,
in
my
opinion,
that's
just
too
long.
E
D
I
I
do
know
that
all
of
our
facilities,
except
two,
are
still
on
12-hour
shifts.
Now.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
the
details
behind
some
of
those,
but
I
do
know.
Well.
E
Well,
a
lot
of
times
the
employees
will
push
for
12-hour
shifts
and
it's
a
big
mistake
because
of
the
fatigue
Factor,
especially
in
a
correctional
facility,
and
so
it
takes
some
leadership
to
get
them
off
of
that.
But
but
that's
the
standard
shift
now
it's
a
12-hour
shift.
E
A
Getting
back
to
to
budget
issues
the
from
Big
Sandy
the
money
that
was
budgeted
for
that
project,
with
the
bid
that
you
all
accepted
is
that
is
it
pretty
close
to
what
was
budgeted
or
do
you
all
expect
overruns
with
and
and
I
know
in
some
areas,
building
materials
are
starting
to
come
down
a
little
bit
or
at
least
level
off,
maybe
so
how?
How
is
that?
Looking
at
this
point
with
that
bid
being
accepted.
D
That
big
came
in
about
one
percent
over
anticipated,
which
we
were
very
shocked
with,
but
very
happy
with.
So
that's
that's
why
I
kind
of
started
with
that
was
very
good
news
for
us
that
we've
got
that,
but
we
we
have
accepted
that
bid
and
are
very
fortunate,
We
Believe
to
have
had
that
one
percent
overage
in
comparison
to
what
it
could
have
been.
Okay,.
A
What
about
the
vehicles,
the
call
and
I'm
assuming
all
these
are
gas
powered
vehicles
that
we
bought?
Okay?
Is
there
any
pressure
to
start
utilizing
at
least
hybrid
vehicles
that
that's
coming
down?
Did
you
all
price,
those
out
or.
D
D
So
I
had
to
get
a
big
vehicle.
That
was
big
enough
to
to
set
up
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
it's
hard
to
get
a
battery
vehicle
that
that
does
that
so.
A
And
what
the
the
cost
to
housing
inmate
for
a
year
was
was
that
somewhere
around
20
000
was
that
the
the
the
past
rate
Senator
schickel?
Do
you
remember
that
we've
talked
about
that
before.
E
Yeah
a
lot
of
that's
on
how
you
figured
and
who's
figuring,
but
that
sounds
that
sounds
reasonable.
Yeah.
A
I'm
curious
to
see
over
the
past
three
to
five
years,
how
how
that
has
changed
and
as
we
move
forward.
A
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
appreciate
all
your
work
and
look
forward
to
communicating
with
you
in
the
future
with
the
needs,
and
hopefully
things
are
starting
to
level
out
with
the
prison
facilities.
If
we
can
just
get
some
folks
hired
and
from
what
I'm,
seeing
it's
not
getting
a
whole
lot
better,
but
just
at
a
local
level.
A
I
know
with
just
with
my
organization
we're
starting
to
see
the
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel,
but
we
had
to
pay
to
get
to
that
light
and
I'm
sure
everybody
is
is
having
to
do
that
and
I
know
as
a
state.
It's
difficult
to
do
that,
but
that's
the
reality
of
where
we
are
and-
and
we
cannot
afford,
as
we
have
seen
in
the
juvenile
facility
in
Louisville
to
let
things
get
completely
out
of
control
and
we
need
to
make
it
a
priority.
A
So
I
would
ask
you
all
and
I
know
with
secretary
Harvey.
It's
it's
it's
on
his
mind
that
if
there
are
prisons
that
get
to
that
point
where
it
becomes
a
risk
to
the
community
that
you
all
would
come
to
us
whether
it
be
facilities,
whether
it
be
some
funding
for
Staffing,
not
let
it
get
to
where
it
did
in
Louisville
and
put
community
at
risk
and
put
employees
at
risk.
But
I
know
the
I
know.