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Okay,
I
would
remind
everyone
who
is
remote
to
please
mute
your
computer,
so
we
do
not
have
any
feedback
and
also
remind
you
that
if
you
have
questions,
please
use
the
chat
function
on
your
computer,
to
ask
those
questions
or
to
ask
to
be
recognized
to
ask
those
questions,
and
the
first
item
we
have
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
august
12
12
2021
meeting.
I
would
entertain
a
motion.
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F
F
It
can
always
also
be
something
as
simple
as
a
student
who
has
is
going
to
college,
but
doesn't
have
a
clear
plan
for
academic
goal
or
job
goals
or
career
goals,
to
better
understand
the
types
of
academic
barriers
that
kcts
students
face.
Staff
asked
the
president
of
each
college
to
provide
us
a
list
of
five,
their
top
five
non-academic
barriers
present
on
their
campuses.
F
The
first
inability
to
navigate
college
relates
to
problems
that
arise
from
students
having
difficulty
figuring
out
things
such
as.
What's
the
deadline
for
registering
for
classes,
how
do
I
register
for
classes?
Am
I
eligible
for
financial
aid?
How
do
I
fill
out
a
financial
aid
form?
Where
do
I
go
to
get
it
or
the
fact
that
they
need
to
meet
with
an
academic
advisor
to
set
up
a
plan
for
their
education
at
the
school?
F
The
third
barrier
competing
time
constraints
occurs
when
a
student
must
balance
their
time
needed
for
school,
with
other
responsibilities
such
as
family
work
or
caring
for
an
ailing
parent
personal
health
issues.
The
fourth
barrier
includes
pre-existing
medical
conditions,
major
medical
events
and
mental
health
problems,
the
latter
of
which
was
mentioned
by
several
specifically
mentioned
by
several
college
presidents.
As
a
non-academic
barrier,
their
students
face
the
final
one.
Disengagement
is
a
student's
lack
of
personal
connection
to
the
college.
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F
F
For
example,
we
used
annual
household
income
as
a
proxy
measure
for
financial
instability
and
found
that
the
statewide
average
was
sixty
four
thousand
dollars
annually.
While
more
than
half
of
the
kcts
students
who
filed
for
federal
financial
aid
reported
an
annual
household
income
less
than
forty
thousand.
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F
F
G
G
G
G
Recommendation
two
was
that
the
kctcs
systems
office
should
develop
more
accurate
measures
of
non-academic
program,
success
that
focus
on
determining
whether
a
program
increases
or
I'm
sorry
decreases.
The
prevalence
of
the
problem
it
was
designed
to
address
and
recommendation
number
three
was
that
the
kctcs
systems
office
should
study
the
relationship
between
programs,
student
success
and
retention,
and
that
the
results
should
be
shared
with
the
colleges
so
that
they
can
improve
existing
programs
and
more
effectively
implement
future
programs.
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A
A
A
Mr
president,
it's
good
to
meet
you,
sir,
and
welcome
to
our
committee,
and
I
would
ask
that
you
both
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
you
have
the
floor.
H
Sure-
and
he
hit
my
name
perfect,
dr
paul
zarapata,.
H
We
are
very
pleased
to
be
here
today.
The
presentation
ahead
of
us
stole
a
little
bit
of
our
thunder,
but
we'll
still
move
on
here.
If
it's,
okay
with
you
senator
carroll,
I'm
going
to
move
forward
with
the
presentation,
if
I
don't
screw
this
up
here,
we
go
so
as
was
mentioned
previously,
we've
got
16
independently,
accredited
colleges
across
the
state
over
70
locations.
H
You
know
the
mission
of
community
colleges
is
to
provide
access
and
so
we're
all
over
the
state
so
that
students
can
stay
close
to
home
and
don't
have
to
go
to
the
universities
and
stay
in
a
dorm
if
they
don't
or
if
they
can't
over
a
hundred
thousand
students
served
annually
and
we're
an
open
access
institution,
meaning
anyone
can
come
to
us
in
in,
except
in
a
few
different
cases.
I
guess
allied
health
and
some
others
have
some
wait
lists.
H
So
this
was
mentioned
previously
too,
and
I
think
if
you
stripe
this
across
the
pandemic,
you
can
see
why
our
enrollment
has
been
hit
so
hard.
You
know,
a
third
of
our
students
have
got
dependents.
H
H
H
So
this
was
mentioned
as
well,
and
so
we've
got
over
140
programs
that
target
these
prominent
non-academic
barriers.
All
colleges
have
at
least
three
of
these
11
have
at
least
eight
and
just
as
a
footnote
there,
the
percentage
is
sum
to
greater
than
100,
because
the
program
well
and
it's
blacked
out
there.
H
And
our
response
was
to
leverage
technology
the
first
go
at
it
is.
We
were
going
to
try
and
collect
this
information
up
front
on
the
admissions
application
and,
after
speaking
with
some
students
and
speaking
with
people
on
the
front
lines,
it
really
almost
turns
into
a
barrier
because
you're
listing
all
these
things
that
that
might
the
students
might
face
and
if
they're
you're
collecting
it
there,
it's
almost
a
disincentive
for
them
to
apply
and
come
to
the
college,
and
so
as
happens,
we
have
to
blow
stuff
up
and
move
on.
H
And
so
what
we've
come
up
with
is
a
is
a
new
way
to
collect
this
data
from
the
student
information
system
during
the
registration
process.
So
it's
not
so
invasive.
Many
of
the
students
that
use
some
of
these
services
are,
for
lack
of
a
better
term
embarrassed
to
identify
themselves
for
using
it
and
so
food
insecurities
or
if
they
need.
You
know,
emergency
loans
for
flat
tire
things
like
that.
H
You
know
the
things
that
get
in
the
way
of
them
just
being
able
to
go
on
with
their
lives,
and
so
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
non-invasive
way
to
do
it,
but
we
also
need
to
have
that
information
so
that
we
can
be
proactive
in
reaching
out
to
these
students
we're
doing
a
good
job
with
it.
But
again
we
are
still
implementing
this
technology
solution.
H
So
starfish
you
can
give
kudos
to
student
achievement.
So
if
a
student
does
good
on
a
test
or
quiz,
you
can
send
them
a
hay
and
you
can
customize
it
to
them
as
minor
as
that
might
sound.
It
really
resonates
with
students
that
might
not
necessarily
get
that
fee.
With
our
first
generation
students.
They
may
not
have
family
that
value
college
or
understand
how
important
it
is
to
get
some
support.
You
know
if
you
get
100
on
that
really
hard
spanish
test,
there's
flags
that
you
can
set
for
areas
of
concern.
H
If
a
student
misses
multiple
assignments,
if
they
really
blow
a
test,
things
like
that,
so
you
can
reach
out
for
help
and
make
sure
that
they're
getting
what
they
need
to
do.
H
You
can
make
referrals
to
different
support
services
all
across
the
colleges
and
also
give
them
to
do
items
so
that
they've
got
a
list
of
things
that
they
know.
What
they
need
to
do,
because
again,
especially
for
these
first
generation
students,
and
especially
for
this
incoming
class
of
freshmen,
that
you
know
during
covid,
were
online,
mostly,
as
you
know,
for
half
their
junior
year
and
all
their
senior
year.
It's
tough
to
navigate
these
things.
H
It
really
is
and
being
able
to
give
them
some
pretty
straightforward
checklists
of
what
they
need
to
do
really
helps
and
they
and
then
there's
appointments
and
that's
advising
appointments,
counseling
appointments,
even
mental
health
service
appointments
and
those
sorts
of
things.
H
H
And
so
here's
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
knocking
down
student
barriers,
food
pantries
partnerships
with
goodwill,
the
united
way
ymcas
across
the
across
the
state,
mental
health,
counseling
transportation
assistance,
for
example
at
jefferson.
They
have
a
bus
pass
program
so
that
students
can
ride
the
the
louisville
buses
tran
arrangements
with
child
care
providers.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
nearly
as
many
of
those
as
we
need
and
then
assistance
with
financial
aid
and
financial
literacy.
H
Also,
we've
got
micro
loans
or
micro
grants,
as
things
may
come
up
again
with
you
know.
Sometimes
the
difference
between
a
student
dropping
out
and
a
student
continuing
on
with
us
and
being
successful
is
a
flat
tire
because
they
just
can't
get
in,
and
so
it's
it's
very
difficult.
H
So
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
around
innovation
flexibility
and
support.
Obviously
we
need
to
offer
these
programs.
You
know
when
you
have
a
student
base,
that
is
almost
half
25
and
over
you've
got
to
meet
them
where
their
lives
are,
and
so
we've
come
up
with
some
very
innovative
programs
across
the
state
and
I'll.
Just
give
a
few
examples
here.
At
ashland
they
teach
welding
24
hours
a
day,
there's
three
different
shifts
that
come
in
sky
flex
at
south
central.
H
This
is
a
program
that
utilizes
advanced
manufacturing,
electrical
technology,
engineering
and
electronics,
technology,
industrial
maintenance,
welding,
air
conditioning
technology,
automotive
technology
and
collision
repair,
and
it's
ideal
for
adult
students,
because
most
of
the
work
is
completed
online
by
interactive
learning
tools.
But
then
the
students
go
to
campus
one
day
a
week
for
a
hands-on
lab
with
the
instructor
so
that
they
can
still
work
and
they
can
still
learn
and,
and
then
there's
tech
express
at
owensboro,
which
is
similar.
H
You
can
take
classes
during
the
evening
or
early
morning
hours
and
also
for
covid19
support
back
when
the
pandemic
hit.
I
was
actually
the
chief
information
officer,
and
so
what
we
had
to
do
was
mobilize.
H
H
H
And
I
sincerely
believe
we're
the
solution
to
kentucky's
workforce
shortage.
We
award
98
percent
of
all
short-term
certificates
in
kentucky
we
train
82
percent
of
kentucky's,
skilled
trades
workers.
We
award
two-thirds
of
kentucky's,
nursing
and
allied
health
credentials
and
then
nearly
80
percent
of
credentials
are
awarded
are
in
kentucky's
top
five
industry
sectors.
H
And
I'll
be
around
to
talk
to
everyone.
This
is
we've
and
we've
we're
working
closely
with
cp,
but
things
that
get
really
expensive
for
us.
Are
these
wraparound
student
services
and
success
coaches
right
now
our
success
coaches
get
assigned
to
about
600
students
and
so
that
one
to
600
ratio
gets
pretty
difficult.
We've
got
a
lot
of
old
buildings,
it
seems
like
every
week
we've
got
an
hvac
unit
that
goes
out
and
that's
two
million
dollars
a
shot.
It
seems
like
all
across
the
state,
nursing
program,
support
and,
of
course,
cdl
training
expansion.
H
That's
the
end
of
my
presentation
again.
I
really
appreciate
the
ability
to
to
kind
of
tell
our
story
to
you
and
with
that
I'll
I'll
open
it
back
up.
A
Thank
you,
dr
zerpada.
I've
got
a
couple
questions
just
open
up
and
there
there
may
be
others.
You
talked
about
the
enrollment
and
obviously
during
during
colby
those
issues.
What
are
those
numbers
looking
like
throughout
the
state
and
is
it?
Is
it
fairly
consistent
throughout
the
state
that
numbers
are
down.
H
They
are
and
they
they
tend
to
match
the
workforce
participation
rate,
which
is
you
know,
pretty
low.
We
are,
is
it
relatively
flat
year
over
year,
from
fall
to
fall?
We're.
I
Actually,
a
little
bit
down
from
last
year,
even
we're
not
sure
if
that's
the
uncertainty
about
child
care
and
kids
in
school
or
unemployment
concerns
or
other,
but
we're
down.
I
want
to
say
around
two
percent
right
now
from
our
last
fall
that
head
count's
a
little
odd,
because
we
have
so
many
types
of
head
count.
A
And
you
mentioned
child
care,
as
is
one
of
the
struggles,
if
I
remember
correctly,
at
wkctc
did:
did
they
not
open
the
scholar
house
and
then
that
ended
up
moving
over
to
different
owners
eventually?
A
I
So
the
scholar
house,
scholar
houses,
are
available
at
a
few
of
our
campuses,
including
wkctc,
w
yeah
west
kentucky.
We
get
a
lot
of
ctcs
in
there.
The
way
that
a
scholar
house
works.
If
you
all
are
not
aware,
is
it
section,
8
housing,
that's
available
for
single
parents,
male
or
female,
who
have
small
children
and
are
enrolled
in
a
higher
education
institution
full
time,
and
so
there
is
a
day
care
on
the
site.
Some
of
those
daycares
also
accept
children
from
other
sites,
or
you
know
to
students
in
general.
I
That
model
is
difficult
to
replicate
because
the
kentucky
housing
authority
does
not
always
have
available
section
8
vouchers
that
can
be
attached
to
a
facility,
but
certainly
it's
a
wonderful
model,
it's
very
successful
and
we
are
trying
to
increase
that.
We
also
have
some
head
start
partnership.
So
henderson,
for
example,
has
two
head
start
classrooms
on
their
campus
and
it
is
just
for
students
at
the
college.
The
children
can
go
full
day
or
half
day,
and
that
includes
both
toddlers
and
infants.
I
Some
of
the
colleges
do
have
or
have
had
child
care
facilities.
As
you
all
know,
there's
a
lot
of
liability
and
concern
around
operating
your
own
child
care
facility.
It's
a
little
bit
outside
of
our
mission,
and
so
in
most
cases
we
try
to
partner,
as
we
do
with
the
kentucky
housing
authority
or
head
start
to
manage
those
child
care
partnerships,
but
we're
also
have
very
strong
early
childhood
programs,
and
so
our
students
do
intern
in
those
facilities.
It's
a
wonderful
partnership
back
and
forth.
A
And
I
can
vouch
for
that.
I
know
we've
had
students
at
our
facility
at
eastern
uk
and
you
know-
and
I
I
think
you
know-
and
I
don't
know
that
we
have
ever
been
asked
to
to
reserve
any
slots
and
when
you
brought
that
up
that
kind
of
made
me
think.
Maybe
we
need
to
reach
out
to
the
community
college
and
maybe
see
if
they
want
us
to
reserve
so
many
slots
each
year.
I
We
appreciate
that
we
are
working
with
as
dr
sarah
potter
noted,
united
ways.
We
also
work
with
several
housing
authorities
so
much
it's.
The
community
college
is
in
the
community
right,
so
they
may
are
able
to
make
those
partnerships,
and
I
appreciate
that
you're
thinking
about
how
your
organization
can
strengthen
that
partnership
as
well.
Yeah.
A
And
we
have
an
excellent
school-
I
I
cannot
say
enough
good
about
dr
reese
and
the
programs
on
that
campus.
Just
quality,
just
I
think,
unmatched
anywhere
in
this
state
and
they
just
do
a
great
job.
Representative
fleming,
you
have
a
question,
sir.
C
I
am
I'm
trying
to
get
my
head
more
wrapped
around
what
the
issues
are
in
terms
of
the
barriers
that
you
described
and
you
did
a
nice
job
in
terms
of
laying
some
partnerships
that
you're
trying
to
formulate
and
culture
or
cultivate,
I
should
say:
is
there
any
effort
with
businesses
in
terms
of
trying
to
partner
with
them
either
from
a
funding
point
of
view
or
for
a
child
care
perspective?
C
I
C
I'm
not
I'm
not,
may
not
be
doing
a
good
job
in
explaining
what
my
my
thought
is,
but
there
are
businesses
that
have
relationships
with
child
care
as
well
or
have
a
child
care
located
within
their
facility,
at
least
they
used
to
before
pandemic.
C
H
There
were
some
of
those
before
the
pandemic
and
what
you
know,
because
they
had
some
access
capacity
before
that
they
could
take
in
some
of
these
children,
but
I
think
with
the
pandemic
and
the
I
forget
exactly
how
they've
reduced
the
number
of
students
per
or
children
per
day
care
worker,
but
I
don't
think
it's
as
prevalent
as
it
was,
but
that's
a
very
good
point.
I'm
actually
starting
a
well.
I've
gone
to
two
college
tours
now.
H
C
And
it
seems
to
be
a
common
theme,
at
least
in
my
mind,
among
a
couple
other
things,
but
child
care
providing
child
care
runs
through
not
only
for
individuals
to
go
back
to
school,
but
also
go
back
to
work
right.
You
know,
and
it's,
and
it
seems
that
you
know.
C
I
guess
the
state
could
do
a
little
more,
have
a
little
more
effort
in
terms
of
trying
to
fuel
the
support
of
folks
to
go
back
to
school
are
going
to
go
back
to
to
work
by
having
child
care
type
of
facilities,
you're
going
to
say
something.
I
So
yeah,
I'm
just
going
to
add
it
just
a
couple
other
thoughts.
One
is
we
partner
a
lot
with
employers,
particularly
around
apprenticeships,
or
work
and
learn
experiences,
so
in
that
sense
the
employer
that
provides
child
care
is
providing
it
for
their
employee,
while
they're
at
school,
so
that
does
help
some
of
our
students.
I
would
also
say
we
are
working
with
the
kentucky
chamber
on
a
child
care
provider
initiative
or
some
recommendations
that
could
come
forward.
I
Child
care
does
not
pay.
Well,
it's
you
know
it's
a
profession
that
does
not
pay
much
it's
harder
to
bring
people
in
if,
if
you're,
going
to
make
nine
dollars
as
a
child
care
provider
or
15
to
18
working
at
a
distribution
center
or
a
fast
food
place,
you're
less
likely
to
be
a
child
care
provider,
and
so
I
do
think
there
are
opportunities
to
think
about
how
to
help
subsidize
child
care.
But
the
third
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
a
really
cool
program
at
one
of
our
colleges,
that
is
around
non-academic
barriers.
I
It's
called
tuesday
night
live,
it
happens
at
hazard,
community
and
technical
college.
They
have
not
been
able
to
do
it
since
covet
started,
but
they're
looking
forward
to
restarting
it
and
every
tuesday
night,
from
six
to
nine.
Their
students
are
on
campus
with
their
children.
They
prepare
all
of
them
a
meal
together
and
eat
that
then
the
parents
go
to
class
and
the
early
childhood
students
take
care
of
the
kids
and
work
with
them
in
their
homework.
I
So
it's
a
wonderful
kind
of
family
orientation
to
learning
and
that's
been
very
successful
at
hctc
and
I
think
we'll
probably
be
duplicated
as
we
come
out
of
this
setting
where
people
are
uncomfortable
being
together
and
move
more
into
a
social.
You
know
a
social
environment
that
allows
all
these
kids
and
parents
to
be
together.
C
And
that's
a
creative
solution,
that's
good
to
hear,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
replicate
that
you
know
throughout
the
state
one
more
question:
if
you
don't
mind,
mr
chairman,
that
is
some
mental
health
as
a
barrier.
Could
you
expand
on
that,
a
little
more
in
terms
of
that
being
a
barrier
and
a
challenge
and
how
that's
going
to
be?
How
that's
being
addressed.
H
So
we
have
a
partner
the
council
on
post-secondary
education
has
put
out.
I
can't
remember
the
name:
mental.
H
This
is
support
through
online
chat
phone
calls
in
some
cases,
there's
referrals
that
can
be
made
out
to
local
mental
health
facilities.
If,
if
the,
if
the
student
needs
face-to-face
or
is
having
some
very
serious
problems,
kovid
did
a
number
on
a
lot
of
people,
but
on
our
students
you
know
it
the
pressures
that
they
already
had
in
their
lives
and
this
just
compounded
it
and
it's
not
just
our
students,
our
faculty
and
staff
too.
H
We've
had,
I
don't
think,
we've
ever
had
so
many
you
know
calls
out
for
help
to
for
the
resources
we've
we've
had
them
in
place.
We
just
haven't
advertised
them
very
well,
and
so
they
are
taking
advantage
of
them,
and
you
know
as
cp's
funding
for
this
runs
out.
We
will
definitely
pick
that
up
and
and
continue
it,
because
it's
very
important.
C
Okay,
well
thanks
for
for
explanation,
I
know
eastern
kentucky
is
very
much
void
when
it
comes
to
mental
health
issues
and
so
forth,
and
I
would
encourage
all
whatever
you
can
do
to
partner
with
facilities
that
offer
mental
health
services
throughout
the
state,
and
you
know,
look
at
the
telehealth
type
of
an
avenue
to
make
that
make
that
come
from.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Thank
you,
and
I
would
also
let
the
committee
know
that,
as
far
as
child
care,
with
the
federal
funds
that
are
coming
in
anyone
who
wants
to
get
not
just
a
certificate
but
a
degree
there
there's
funding
available
to
do
that.
So
you
can
basically
get
a
free
education
now
with
the
federal
dollars
coming
in
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
efforts
to
increase
the
number
of
child
care
workers,
but
she's
exactly
right.
A
It's
for,
if
you
depend
on
a
child
care
center,
to
feed
your
family
as
an
owner
you're,
taking
a
huge
risk
because
it's
just
not
a
profitable
business
at
all
and
and
having
doing
this,
for,
I
guess
11
12
years
now
and
we
just
went
through
a
process
of
increasing
pay
and
benefits.
But
we
have
other
programs
that
financially
support
our
child
care
program
and
without
them
our
center
would
have
closed
a
long
time
ago.
A
We're
not
child
care
providers,
we're
teachers
and
we
run
a
school,
and
I
think
that
that
that
we
do
need
to
be
tied
in
with
education,
and
we
need
to
be
looking
at
at
the
very
same
and
dollars
need
to
be
allocated
the
very
same
to
help
these
centers
grow
throughout
the
commonwealth
and
to
continue
to
improve
the
quality.
A
We've
made
a
lot
of
progress
over
the
years
through
the
kentucky
all-stars
program
and
other
initiatives,
but
as
I
say
that
I'm
well
aware
of
the
deserts,
we
have
in
the
state
where
we
have
no
providers,
so
we're
fighting
two
battles
just
to
have
child
care
on
one
hand
and
to
provide
quality
child
care
on
the
other.
So
this
is
a
huge
issue
for
a
lot
of
different
reasons
that
that
we're
going
to
be
facing.
A
I
think
in
the
years
to
come
and-
and
I
think
it's
the
one
issue
that
we're
really
going
to
have
to
think
outside
the
box
of
where
we
are
right
now
as
a
state,
because
our
model
doesn't
work,
and
I
I
think
it's
refreshing
to
hear
legislators
from
both
sides
of
the
aisles
have
taken
up
this
issue
and
have
become
very
familiar
with
it
and
and
are
willing
to
look
at
various
ways
to
make
the
changes.
So
for
what
it's
worth.
A
That's
just
the
things
that
I
have
seen
day
to
day
over
the
last
few
years,
senator
nemas.
D
D
What
are
they
worth?
Can
you
give
me
a
list
of
your
short-term
certificates
and,
for
instance,
dr
aaron
thompson
is
doing
a
fantastic
job
of
letting
people
the
students
know
what
their
degree
is
actually
worth,
because
a
lot
of
these
certificates
are
not
quite
worth
what
they
is
intended
unless
you
do
a
registered
apprenticeship
in
it
and
it's
stable.
Some
of
your
certificates
may
be
too
new
for
you
to
know
that.
But
could
you
give
me
a
list
of
the
certificates
in
what
they're
actually
worth
what
people
are
making
with
them?
D
D
If
you
will
allow
me,
mr
chairman,
it
goes
a
little
bit
with
what
you're
talking
about
the
governor's
early
childhood,
I'm
sure
you're,
all
familiar
with
that,
we
we
were
talking
about
and
they
were
trying
to
get
forced
on
the
day,
cares
that
they
would
have
to
hire
people
with
certificates
in
in
childhood.
I
think
you
provide
those.
I
D
Are
one
provider
yes
and
there's
a
problem
with
that
with
a
good
thing
about
it?
Is
you
have
better
child
care?
You
have
better
teachers
and
better
qualified
people.
The
bad
thing-
and
I
think
senator
carroll
will
agree
with
that.
It
brings
a
cost
up
to
the
daycare
which
is
passed
on
to
parents
who
are
struggling
to
have
child
care
in
the
first
place.
So
that's
a
balancing
act
there.
I
think
that,
and
that's
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question
for
you
all.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
There
actually
is
no
cost
for
for
them
to
get
a
cd8
today,
there's
funding
to
to
accommodate
that
and
all
all
any
any
employee
or
any
any
student
wanting
to
get
into
early
childhood
education,
the
funds
that
are
there
and
to
go
beyond
that
associate's
bachelor's
degree.
So
that's
not
an
issue
at
this
point
in
the
future,
once
the
federal
funds
dry
up,
that
may
be
a
different
story,
but
that's
that's
where
we
are
today
and
we
use
that
as
an
incentive.
A
D
Funding
part
of
the
cost
to
the
parent
that
cannot
afford
that.
A
Exactly
yes,
and
we
just
went
through
the
process
of
increasing
our
rates
at
our
center
and
we
look
all
throughout
the
region
and
we
try
to
kind
of
stay
in
the
middle,
but
you
know
the
families
were
okay
with
the
rate
increases,
because
they
knew
that
we
were.
A
We
were
increasing
our
pay
and
we
knew
they
knew
that
we
were
trying
to
get
a
better
quality
of
early
childhood
educator
within
the
centers,
but
in
in
right
now
things
are
great,
the
money
is
there
and
it
will
be
there
until
2024,
I
think,
is
there
are
quarterly
payments
going
out
between
now
and
2024,
based
on
your
capacity
and
and
so
you
know,
you
can
make
these
investments
and
you
can
pay
better.
You
actually
get
higher
level
of
funding
the
higher
you
pay,
your
your
staff.
A
The
problem
is
in
2024
when
this
money
goes
away,
each
child
care
center
is
going
to
be
stuck
paying
that
level
and
it's
going
to
be
difficult
for
them
to
survive.
At
that
point,
and
my
fear
is
we're
going
to
be
right
back
where
we
started
and
we're
going
to
see
the
numbers
of
our
providers
start
to
tank
again,
because
the
profit
margin
is
so
slim
as
it
is,
but
again
a
lot
of
issues,
and
I
don't
mean
to
harp
on
this.
It's
just
these
are
conversations
that
I
have
every
day.
B
B
B
H
That's
a
that's
a
good
question.
Certainly
I
think
the
prevalence
of
adjuncts
has
been
in
many
cases
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
retain
the
full-time
faculty
because
we're
being
outbid
by
the
universities
and
a
lot
of
I'm
sorry.
H
So
one
of
the
problems
we
face
is
that
our
salaries,
we
just
can't
match
us,
but
allied
health
in
particular.
We
just
get
outbid
by
the
universities
and
private
industries,
so
our
board
has
taken
it
very
seriously
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on
compensation
and
classification
to
try
and
get
those
up
now.
H
I
I
would
echo
that
the
faculty
concerns
you
know
much
like
the
hospitals
are
losing
nurses.
We
had
40
nursing
faculty
vacancies
when
we
started
the
term
and
while
we've
been
able
to
film
most
of
those
that
does
impact
our
ability.
You
know
we.
We
turn
out
over
900
nurses
a
year
ready
to
take
that
nclex
test
and
be
out
there
to
help
meet
the
commonwealth's
concerns
separately.
I
You
know,
I
think
we
also
have
to
look
at
just
the
the
larger
colleges
you
know
to
meet
employer
needs,
even
though
we
partner
with
employers-
and
we
do
have
legislative
funding
to
support
those
partnerships
and
training.
There's
always
a
need
for
a
new
equipment
to
keep
everybody
up
to
date
and
current
there's
a
need
for
simulators
in
our
allied
health
programs.
When
we
can't
be
in
the
clinical
sites,
you
saw
the
cdl
ask.
We
have
there's
a
huge
need
in
the
state
for
cdl
operators.
I
You
cannot
just
teach
that
in
your
parking
lots,
because
you
ruin
your
parking
lots
as
students
hit,
curbs
and
wipe
out
signage,
and
you
know
are
figuring
out
how
to
drive
those
big
trucks.
So
we're
looking
at
ways
to
invest
in
cdl
training,
centers,
for
example,
we
use
cdl
simulators
because
we
can't
always
have
students
on
the
road.
I
We
need
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
also
try
that
we
partner-
as
you
all
know,
very
closely
with
the
kentucky
department
of
education
on
dual
credit
programs
and
have
over
20
000
dual
credit
students
that
are
coming
through.
You
know
we
that's
a
lot
of
training
for
those
faculty
because
they
also
may
use
our
online
programs.
So
we
do
a
lot
of
professional
development.
I
We're
really
looking
at
what
other
flexible
programs
can
we
offer?
Can
we
offer
more
competency-based
education
versus
seedtime
education?
Are
there
the
apprenticeships?
You
know
we'll
send
you
that
list,
but
right
now
just
direct
apprenticeships.
We
have
65
companies
and
almost
500
apprentices.
Those
take
some
wrap
around
services
and
work
on
our
side
too.
I
So,
honestly,
we
could
put
every
dollar
to
work
and
it
would
be
an
investment
in
the
commonwealth
because
we
really
are
working
very
hard
to
meet
the
needs
for
all
of
these
types
of
employers
and
we
we
do
give
out
a
number
of
certificates.
I
don't
know
senator
nemes
if
you
know
that
cpe
just
released
a
report
yesterday
on
the
value
of
some
of
those
certificates,
we'll
forward
that
to
your
office,
but
people
who
get
a
certificate
diploma
or
degree
move
on
to
a
bachelor's.
I
H
Dollar
well,
and
I
will
say
that
we
will
have
a
you
know.
We,
we
have
a
very
verbose
document
that
we
put
together,
that
we
are
going
to
make
more
concise
about
asks
and
what
we
can
provide
with
those
ass,
and
that
will
be
coming
out
very
soon.
Once
our
marketing
wizards
can
condense
what
we've?
What
we've
put
down
on
paper.
B
No
that's
okay.
Now
that
I
wanted
to
hear
that-
and
I
just
you
know
for
my
fellow
colleagues
here-
I'm
a
big
fan
of
the
community
college,
not
because
I
work
there,
but
because
I've
seen
the
good
work
that
they
do
and
as
our
state
looks
to
rebounding
from
this
pandemic,
we're
going
to
need
a
lot
more
employees
trained,
ready
to
go
to
work
employees
and
I
think
the
community
college
system
is
the
place
that's
going
to
provide
those.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
work.
Thank
you.
A
Just
to
expand
on
that,
I
know
that
during
the
special
session
that
we
just
had
and-
and
I
visited
baptist
health
paducah
and
met
with
their
management
and
some
some
medical
professionals
there-
the
the
one
thing
that
they
they
told
me
that
that
they
needed
the
most
was
for
our
schools
to
put
out
more
health
professionals-
nurses
in
particular-
and
I
know
it
at
our
school.
What
we
pay
for
instructors
is
not
very
competitive
and
we're
limited
on
the
number
of
students
that
we
can
put
out
every
year.
A
A
I
So
on
the
nursing
programs,
all
of
our
colleges
have
nursing
programs,
in
fact,
because
different
campuses
programs
are
separately
managed.
We
have
23
nursing
programs,
the
kentucky
board
of
nursing
caps,
the
number
of
of
seats
that
you
can
fill
at
any
given
time,
and
then
there
are
also
national
accreditation
standards
that
you
have
to
meet
so
the
number
of
faculty-to-nurse
ratios,
for
example,
in
classroom
versus
in
a
clinical
site.
So
I
believe
our
current
cap
is
about
1250
students.
I
Last
year
we
graduated
905
students
ready
to
take
the
nclex.
The
students
have
to
pass
the
nclex
to
to
be
in
practice
anywhere
in
the
you
know
anywhere
in
the
country
really,
but
that's
the
same
nursing
test
that
a
bachelor's
degree
student
would
take.
So
if
a
hospital,
a
magnet
hospital
needs
a
bachelor's
nurse
that
nerd,
we
have
many
partnerships
with
our
regional
and
research
institutions
to
put
the
extra
two
years.
I
I
We
are
meeting
weekly
on
the
nursing
crisis,
we're
meeting
with
hospitals
we're
looking
at
every
kind
of
barrier,
so
the
caps
could
be
a
barrier
if
we
could
get
more
faculty
and
more
clinical
sites,
which
are
also
problematic,
sometimes
and
could
then
increase
those
caps
and
obviously
that
would
give
us
greater
opportunity
to
to
meet
those
needs.
At
some
colleges
we
have
more
students
than
we
are
applicants
than
we
have
seats
at
some
colleges.
I
We
do
not
some
of
the
colleges,
I
don't
know
if
it's
coveted
lately
or
what
but
madisonville,
for
example,
reported
that
they
they
took
every
qualified
cap
opportunity.
They
had
candidate
that
they
had
and
they
still
were,
had
some
seats
available,
and
then
we
do
have
a
lot
of
students
who
are
not
retained
for
one
reason
or
another
or
step
out
and
come
back
just
as
you
heard
about
these
non-academic
barriers.
I
That
is
an
incredibly
difficult
program,
it's
very
time,
consuming
because
of
the
number
of
hours
and
if,
if
you
get
sick,
if
a
family
member
gets
sick,
if
your
child
is
suddenly
out
of
school,
if
you
get
into
clinical
jeopardy
or
academic
jeopardy
for
some
reason,
you
know
that
sets
those
students
back,
and
so
that's
where
the
wraparound
services
that
dr
zarapata
has
mentioned
so
many
times.
Success.
Coaches,
tutors
people
who
can
be
sure,
you're
being
referred
to
appropriate
social
services,
make
an
enormous
difference.
I
I
don't
know
if
you've
heard
from
the
kentucky
chamber
on
their
talent,
pipeline
management
process,
but
they're
working
with
several
large
collaboratives
of
employer
hospitals
just
on
the
rn
position,
all
of
the
providers,
and
how
can
we?
You
know?
How
can
we
both
increase
the
number
of
students
going
through
the
program
and
retain
the
students
in
the
program
to
graduate
successfully?
I
I
feel,
like
you
know,
I'm
talking
nursing
once
a
week,
if
not
more,
and
it
it's
an
enormous
problem
and
so
again
that
support
of
any
kind
makes
a
big
difference
in
that
effort.
A
Can
I
make
a
formal
request
today
that
you
all
start
pulling
the
numbers
together
all
that
information
you
just
gave
and
anything
related
to
nursing
positions
and
other
programs
that
that
you
all
have
and
then
maybe
something
showing
the
trends
I
this
is
something
that
that
is
going
to
be
discussed
between
now
and
the
next
session,
and
I
expect
that
there
will
likely
be
some
movement
in
legislation
to
not
just
for
community
colleges,
but
our
universities
also-
and
this
is
something
that
we
have
got
to
address
quickly
and
if
you
all
could
get
ahead
of
the
game
for
us
please
and
and
have
that
data
together.
A
J
A
E
Yes,
I
can
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
too
have
quest
a
couple
questions
about
the
nursing
program
I
didn't
realize
when
we
started
we
were
going
to
zero
in
on
nurses,
but
did
I
understand
correctly
that
the
state
caps,
the
number
of
seats.
I
Yes,
sir,
the
kentucky
board
of
nursing
sets
caps
colleges,
private
for-profit
public
colleges
have
the
opportunity
to
increase
them.
A
certain
number.
I
believe
it's
20
students,
but
I'd
want
to
check
that
without
having
to
go
back
before
the
board.
After
that,
you
have
to
take
to
the
board
a
proposal
to
increase
the
number
of
caps
and
show
that
you
have
faculty
resource
clinical
site
other
capacity
to
meet
the
needs
of
those
students
to
ensure
appropriate
clinical
experience.
E
I
It's
my
understanding
of
the
process
and
I
have
been
to
the
the
education
committee
of
the
kentucky
board
of
nursing
that
any
college
wanting
to
increase
their
caps
goes
before
that
education
committee.
The
education
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
full
board.
It
is
done
at
the
request.
I
Galen,
for
example,
college
of
nursing
you
know,
has
been
up
recently.
A
couple
of
our
colleges
have
been
up
recently
looking
to
increase
those
caps.
As
the
education
committee
is
reviewing
the
cap
numbers,
they
also
take
into
account
the
retention
and
graduation
data
from
the
program
site
and
a
number
of
other
factors.
I
We
have
a
very
committed
leadership
committee
of
the
program
directors
of
each
of
our
nursing
programs,
and
you
know
they're
really
working
with
that
education
committee
and
with
the
board
of
nursing
to
ensure
that
they
understand
the
differences
and
the
benefits
of
two-year
programs
of
nursing
again,
regardless
of
provider
versus
the
four-year
nursing
program,
because
I
think
sometimes
it's
it's
easy
to
to
look
at
a
nursing
program
as
a
university
program
and
again,
our
students
have
much
different
barriers.
E
I'll
just
make
a
comment
on
that.
I
would
hope
that
they
are
very
receptive
to
the
request
from
the
two-year
colleges,
especially
at
this
time.
When
I
keep
hearing
about,
we
have
nursing
shortages
as
well
as
one
other
question
about
nurses.
If
I
understand
correctly,
you
had
just
over
900
900
graduates
last
year
is:
can
you
break
down?
Is
that
rns
or
lpm
programs.
I
That's
a
registered,
we
call
them
associate
degree
nurses
and
they
do
sit
for
the
nclex
and
our
registered
nurses.
We
have
other
numbers
of
lpns
and
then
we
are
also
the
registry
for
the
state
registered
nurse
aides
who
work
in
the
long-term
care
facility.
That's
the
first
step
or
could
be
the
first
step
on
a
nursing
pathway.
I
We
register
a
lot
of
students.
Some
of
those
are
not
really
going
into
the
long-term
care
facility,
they're
more
preparing
for
nursing
school
because
often
that's
a
requirement
for
the
nursing
school,
but
we
do
have
graduates
in
each
of
those
three
areas
and
our
high
schools
and
our
many
of
our
long-term
care
facilities
also
prepare
the
coursework
and
the
individual
for
the
state
registered
nurse
aid
test.
E
I
E
Fair
enough,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
you
said
you
have
a
high
success
rate.
Do
you
know,
is
that
a
90
percent?
Is
it
75?
Is
it
99?
Can
you
tell
me
what
that
is.
I
I
could
not
tell
you
by
college-
and
I
don't
have
the
average-
I'm
sorry,
I'm
happy
to
get
that
for
you.
I
can
say
that
we
we
meet
the
accrediting
program
baseline
at
all,
call
you
know
at
all
colleges.
We
don't
have
any
college
on
probation
for
a
low
number,
but
I
regret
I
can't
give
you
the
exact
number
right
now.
E
E
A
Thank
you,
representative
beckler.
You
said
something
that
caught
my
attention
in
the
nursing
programs.
Some
of
those
who
are
getting
the
associates
in
nursing
are
required
to
get
the
cna
certification.
As
part
of
that
is
that
correct.
A
I
Don't
think
it
takes
any
slots,
those
you
know,
those
programs,
those
state
registered
nurse
aid
programs
are
taught
in
the
high
school,
so
students
out
of
high
school
can
be
taking
that
test.
I
mean
the
test
we'll
we'll
give
the
test
to
anybody
who's
ready
to
take
it.
We
prepare
those.
There
are
proprietary
institutions
that
do
that.
Many
of
the
independent
colleges
like
university
of
camp
or
campbellsville
do
that
several
of
the
nursing
home
provides
their
own
training,
there's
not
a
requirement
that
they
take
a
credit
class.
J
J
We
passed
senate
bill
two
last
week
in
our
special
session
and
one
of
the
provisions
that
I
liked
about
senate
bill
2.
In
fact
I
mentioned
this
on
the
floor-
was
section
section
6
of
that
bill,
which
said
that
that
colleges
and
universities
were
going
to
be
encouraged
to
engage
in
a
public
awareness
campaign
about
covet
and
about
the
benefits
of
the
vaccine
to
again
to
encourage
kentuckians
to
obtain
the
vaccine.
Okay
you'd
indicate
it
and
you're,
not
you.
J
J
You
know
right
there
in
in
the
middle
of
my
senate
district
and
and
a
school,
I
was
once
on
the
board
of
back
from
2002
to
2007.
I
was
on
the
board
of
that
community
college,
it's
in
a
perfect
location,
to
do
a
public
awareness
campaign
because
it
sits
right
there,
as
you
know,
in
the
middle
of
community,
that
that
has
not
been
vaccinated
at
the
level
that
we've
seen
in
lexington,
which
has
a
very
high
level
of
vaccinations.
J
H
You
know,
lexington
is
doing
a
pretty
good
job
with
the
vaccine.
We've
got
pockets
of
the
state
where
nobody
we've
got
faculty
and
staff
that
don't
want
to
get
the
vaccine
and
so
we're
fighting
an
uphill
battle
there.
But
I
have
certainly
in
every
communication
that
I've
put
out
encouraged
all
of
our
students,
faculty
and
staff
to
get
vaccinated.
H
J
Final
comment:
if
I
made
mr
chair,
thank
you,
dr
mccall.
As
you
probably
know,
bctc
may
be
different.
We've
got
a
very
strong
nursing
program.
There
bctc.
In
fact
we
can't.
J
We
probably
have
people
on
the
waiting
list
to
get
in
nursing,
at
bctc
and
and
and
I
I
want
to
commend
dr
cappo
for
his
work
there
and
and
having
such
a
strong
nursing
program
and
and
and
maybe
you
can
speak
with
him
and
see
what
can
be
due
to
to
model
that
to
your
other
colleges,
because
bctc
has
a
very,
very
strong
nursing
program.
A
Thank
you
senator
just
to
summarize
the
the
nursing
discussion,
so
so
the
board
of
nursing
would
need
to
be
involved
in
this
conversation.
A
As
far
as
setting
those
numbers,
the
accreditation
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration
on
what
those
requirements
are
so
so
we're
looking
at
probably
investments
of
additional
staffing,
probably
increasing
pay
in
order
to
recruit
additional
staffing,
the
facilities
within
each
community
college.
I
know
they
have
like
a
mock
hospital
area,
probably
increased
investments
in
that
to
expand.
A
Are
there
are
there
programs
that
run
are
most
of
those
day
programs,
or
are
there
like
evening
classes
in
in
nursing
and
how
do
how
are
those
normally
administered
in
each
at
each
campus?.
I
There
it's
different
across
the
23
programs.
Most
of
them
are
day
programs,
and
many
of
them
are
10-month
programs
and
not
12-month
programs.
That's
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
is
that
the
nurses
have
to
do
some
time
in
a
hospital
to
maintain
their
licensure,
and
so
they
use
some
of
that
two
months
but
separately.
I
It
is
a
primarily
female
enrolled
program,
although
we're
getting
more
male
nurses
all
the
time.
Those
female
nurses
do
often
have
children,
their
children
are
out
of
school
in
the
summer,
and
so
we
do
not
often
offer
a
full
course
load
in
the
summer.
We
might
offer
one
or
two
online
classes,
or
do
some
makeup
work
that
sort
of
thing,
but
also
that
two
months
of
not
paying
nurses
gives
them
time
to
earn
two
months
of
a
hospital
salary
which
helps
them
offset.
What
we're
able
to
pay.
So
we
do
have
some
evening
classes.
I
We
try
to
move
as
much
online
as
possible
or
flip
classes
where
the
didactic
and
lecture
is
online
and
then
they're
in
a
clinical
site
or
in
a
lab,
while
they're
in
the
classroom.
We
do
it
a
number
of
different
ways.
We
have
four
different
because
of
the
way
we
came
out
of
the
technical
program
system
and
because
different
institutions
have
changed
their
programs
up
a
little
bit
to
meet
their
communities
needs
or
the
you
know,
availability
of
clinical
sites
at
their
hospitals.
I
C
Thank
you.
I'm
I'm
gonna
take
advantage
since
apparently
the
presidents
are
are
zooming
in
and
so
forth.
I'm
part,
and
this
is
a
totally
different
track
from
nursing
and
so
forth,
but
a
part
of
an
aviation
caucus
and
we're
looking
at
finding
some
synergies
through
through
you
all
to
help
cultivate
a
over
10
billion
dollar
industry
and
over
600
companies
that
provide
or
feed
into
that
area.
And
I've
talked
to
a
couple
universities
that
that
offer
programs.
C
I
like
to
request,
if
you
can
put
together
an
inventory
of
any
aviation
related
programs
that
that,
in
addition
to
that,
that
have
some
type
of
a
tie,
not
the
programs
but
maybe
in
general,
tied
with
local
high
schools
and
providing
that
that
would
be
most
most
helpful
because
we're
looking
at
putting
forth
some
some
legislation
that
will
help
cultivate
that
that
profession
in
industry
and
providing
you
know
trying
to
support
those
things.
So
I
appreciate,
if
you
can
provide
any
information.
Thank.
F
H
Yes,
yeah
yeah
there
is
there.
We
have
a
process
faculty
use,
it's
been
moved
online.
Obviously
we
try
to
make
interventions
to
stop
that,
but
there's
sometimes
when
they
just
have
to
withdraw.
Okay.
A
And
I
agree
with
the
comment
that
was
made
earlier
and
I
think
it
was
representative
jenkins
that
made
it.
You
all
are
crucial
to
the
success
of
this
commonwealth
and
and
I
think
that
role
is
going
to
increase
with
each
year
as
we
get
more
industry
into
our
state
and
as
we
require
specific
training
for
that
industry,
you
all
are
going
to
play
a
huge
role,
even
I
think
more
so
than
you
do
now,
and
I've
seen
a
willingness
throughout
the
system
to
be
able
to
adapt.
A
Like
you
said,
dr
williams,
to
the
local
area
to
the
needs,
depending
on
what
industry
is
in
that
area,
and
I
think
that's
a
very
successful
model.
A
And
so
you
all
have
your
challenges
in
the
years
to
come
and
and
we
will
be
depending
on
you
and-
and
I
think
I
speak
for
everyone-
we're
just
very
grateful
for
all
the
efforts
that
you
do
make
and
the
successes
that
you
have
in
each
of
our
communities
with
the
various
programs
that
you
have
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
years
to
come,
and
I
apologize
for
all
the
homework
that
you
all
are
leaving
here
with.
A
But
this
this
committee
likes
to
learn
a
lot
of
things,
so
we're
very
grateful
for
you
all
providing
that
information
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
dr
zarapata,
dr
williams,
thank
you
both
for
being
here
some
excellent
information,
excellent
presentation,
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
again
in
the
future,
but
when
you
all
can
get
some
of
that
data
together,
if
you
could
get
it
to
leadership
in
the
senate
or
get
it
to
me,
and
I
know
the
house
will
also
be
looking
in
this
area
to
see
what
we
need
to
do.
A
But
as
we're
dealing
with
the
immediate
crisis,
it
would
be
foolish
of
us
to
not
start
planning
ahead
for
two
four
years
down
the
road
and
what
we
could
do,
perhaps
in
the
next
session.
That
would
churn
out
more
nurses
two
years
from
now,
and
I
think
we
have
to
consider
that
we-
and
I
know
that
you
all
can't
just
say,
poof
we're
going
to
do
that.
A
H
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
today
we
are
all
about
agility
and
responsiveness.
We
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
eyes
on
us
coming
as
we
get
kentucky
back
to
work
and
I'm
really
easy
to
find
through
email,
there's,
not
very
many
zarapatas.
So
please
reach
out.
J
And
I
just
couldn't
pick
that
thought
was
a
more
timely
topic.
Oh.