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Okay,
we
are
still
behind
on
our
quorum,
so
we're
going
to
move
out
of
order
in
the
agenda
and
remind
everyone
on
zoom
to
keep
tabs
on
your
mute
buttons
as
sometimes
they
like
to
unmute
themselves.
It
seems
with
certain
updates
I'll,
also
preview.
We
have
an
agenda
item
at
the
end
of
our
agenda,
but
I
don't
want
anyone
to
miss
track
of
it,
because
some
are
leaving
early
coming
late
and
so
forth.
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So
preview
of
the
meeting
schedule.
This
will
be
a
little
bit
different
than
in
years
past
for
those
who've
been
on
this
committee
for
a
long
time
we'll
be
having
our
next
meeting
in
september
before
we
approve
the
final
report
and
make
our
votes
for
priorities
wanted
to
take
some
time
since
we've
been
all
a
lot
remote
this
year
and
haven't
been
able
to
spend
time
discussing
and
spend
all
fire
hose
intake
here
to
have
what
I
would
compare
to
a
jury.
A
Deliberation
we'll
have
a
public
meeting
to
where
anybody's
welcome,
to
hear
us
discuss
what
is
sticking
out
to
us
and
how
we
are
thinking.
As
far
as
making
our
vote
selections
for
how
to
prioritize
commonwealth's
spending
priorities
so
that
discussion
hearing
will
be
our
next
meeting
and
then
we
will
turn
in
our
vote
forms
after
that,
and
we
will
conclude
our
business
this
year
with
the
following
meeting,
where
we'll
adopt
our
final
report
as
a
matter
of
the
formal
process.
But
anyway,
our
staff
can
cover
the
details
with
that
later.
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A
F
Included
in
the
meeting
folders
today
is
one
information
item.
That's
provided
as
follow-up
to
questions
that
were
asked
last
month
during
kentucky
state
university's
discussion
of
its
capital
plan.
We
have
representatives
here
from
the
university.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
on
the
follow-up
information
that
they've
provided.
F
Moving
on
the
next
agenda
item
is
a
report
of
an
amended
capital
plan.
Actually
there's
two
capital
plan
amendments.
Two
universities
have
amended
their
plans
since
we
had
our
last
meeting.
Northern
kentucky
has
added
one
capital
project
to
the
first
biennium
of
the
planning
period,
the
expand,
renovate
regents
hall
project,
it's
a
two
million
dollar
project,
funded
with
private
funds
and
other
long-term
funding.
F
A
G
G
I
want
to
start
out
this
conversation
by
telling
you
what
I
tell
you
almost
every
year
when
I
come
to
this
group.
You
know
our
public
education
folk
are
doing
a
pretty
good
job
and
I'll
give
you
a
little
update
here
in
a
second.
But
you
know
our
buildings
are
not
doing
so
well
and
so
asset
preservation
will
be
our
number
one
item
again
this
year
in
our
budget
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
today.
G
G
G
G
We
are
also
looking
at
how
we
can
serve
the
state
in
job
growth,
because
you
all
know
that
the
most
direct
correlation
with
a
good
economy-
that's
sustainable,
is
an
educated
workforce
and
higher
education
is
the
most
direct
correlation
to
that.
So
our
number
of
stem
h,
degrees
and
credentials
have
grown
significantly
around
30
percent,
and
we
are
also
still
looking
at
how
we
can
do
the
things
we
need
to
do
with
short-term
certificates
to
solve
what
we
need,
and
with
that
in
mind,
I'll
just
be
honest
with
you.
G
We
also
are
looking
at
dual
credit,
not
just
as
an
affordability
issue,
but
how
we
can
make
sure
that
our
students
are
getting
ready
for
college.
We
only
we
have
50
of
our
college.
I
mean
our
graduating
seniors
from
high
school
going
to
college
and
we
cannot
build
the
workforce.
We
need
unless
we
increase
that.
So
dual
credit
is
a
way
that
we
will
be
looking
at
helping
these
students
to
know
that
they
can
do
college
level
work
next
slide.
Please.
G
So
once
again
just
give
you
an
idea
of
kind
of
where
we're
at
since
1999,
where
cpe
got
its,
we
came
into
existence
in
the
97
law,
but
where
we
started,
focusing
on
a
systematic
process,
heavily
started
in
1999,
so
from
1999
to
2020,
we've
grown
fte
at
our
kctcs
campuses
about
63
percent,
which
is
obviously
very
good.
Undergraduate
fte
has
grown
12
percent,
our
university
graduate
fte
has
grown
44
and
you
know
the
money
our
research
campuses
and
others
bring
in
has
grown
by
194.
G
E
What
this
slide
is
showing
you
is
the
level
of
state
investment
in
post-secondary
education
facilities
between
1999
excuse
me,
1998
2000,
and
the
2020
through
2022
biennium.
E
The
blue
bars
represent
new
and
expanded
space,
state
expenditures
in
new
and
expanded
space,
the
yellow
bars
state
expenditure
for
asset
preservation
and
renovation
and
the
bullets
over
the
left
sum
it
up.
Over
the
past
24
years,
the
state
has
invested
1.7
billion
dollars
in
new
and
expanded
eng
facilities
and
514
million
for
asset
preservation
projects,
so
that
ratio
of
spending
on
new
construction
asset
preservation
is
about
three
to
one
next
slide:
sean.
E
We
were
asked
in
coming
before
you
today
to
share
a
draft
2022-24
capital
request.
That's
what
this
table
is
showing
you.
This
draft
is
very
preliminary
at
this
point.
It
has
not
been
vetted
through
our
institutions
or
our
own
cpe
board,
but
with
something
that
is
that
was
put
together
by
cpe
staff
and
as
aaron
thompson.
E
President
thompson
alluded
to
asset
preservation
is
gonna,
be
another
high
priority
for
cpe
in
in
terms
of
capital
investment
for
this
upcoming
biennium,
as
you
can
see
in
that
first
line
at
this
point
in
the
process,
we're
anticipating
requesting
350
million
dollars
in
the
first
year
of
the
upcoming
biennium,
an
additional
350
million
in
the
second
year
for
a
total
of
700
million
dollars
in
state
bond
funds
for
asset
preservation.
E
We're
still
engaged
in
conversations
with
the
institutions
about
their
new
construction
needs,
but
one
thing
that
the
covid19
pandemic
taught
us
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
or
so
is
that
our
technology
infrastructure
was
locally
and
inadequate,
and
so
in
talking
to
our
institutions
and
then
talking
to
a
committee
that
sean
mckinnon
on
my
staff
formed
with
some
institutional
representatives
and
private
sector
representatives.
E
Technology
infrastructure
is
going
to
be
at
the
forefront
in
terms
of
our
priorities
as
well,
but
we
will
continue
to
have
conversations
with
campus
chief
budget
officers.
President
thompson
will
have
conversations
with
campus
presidents.
He
will
also
have
conversations
with
our
own
board
members,
and
so
this
is
likely
to
change,
but
we
wanted
to
give
you
some
sense
of
where
cpe
staff
was
at
this
point
in
time
in
terms
of
the
20
22
24
capital
request.
E
That's
all
sean
just
to
highlight
some
of
the
features
of
that
request.
I've
already
mentioned
the
700
million
in
state
funding
for
asset
preservations,
but
what
we
are
anticipating
at
this
time
is
that
that
700
million
dollars
will
be
matched
with
350
million
of
institutional
funds,
so
a
50
cents
on
the
dollar
match
in
terms
of
the
estimated
7.3
billion
dollar
asset
preservation
need
across
our
system.
E
The
state
funds
will
address
about
10
percent
of
that
system,
total
need,
when
you
add,
in
the
350
million
dollars
in
campus
matching
funds,
it
will
address
just
over
14
percent.
So
this
is
really
just
a
drop
in
the
bucket
in
terms
of
what
our
asset
preservation
needs
are
across
our
system.
E
We
anticipate
recommending
a
funding
pool
supported
by
a
list
of
priority
projects
and
that
pool
would
be
allocated
based
on
each
system's.
Each
institution
share
of
system,
total
renovation
and
renewal
need
and
you'll
see
that
here
in
just
a
moment
again
we're
going
to
bring
a
technology
infrastructure
to
the
forefront
as
well
with
an
80
million
request
and
sean
is
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
in
just
a
minute
about
the
details
with
respect
to
the
technology
infrastructure.
E
That
first
column
of
numbers
is
showing
the
2013
update
to
the
bfa
study,
renovation
and
renewal
need
by
institution
and
and
in
total
and
and
for
the
2017
through
2021
time
period.
Their
projections
were
that
there
would
be
a
7.3
billion
dollar
need
if
it
were
not
addressed
either
by
the
state
or
the
institutions,
or
some
combination
of
the
two.
A
second
column
of
numbers
shows
the
percent
of
total
of
that
7.3
billion
dollar
need
and
when
you
apply
those
percentages
to
the
preliminary
draft,
700
million
dollar
asset
preservation
request
from
the
state.
E
E
E
There
is
a
7.3
billion
dollar
asset
preservation
need
in
total
for
the
system
that
the
vfa
study
projected
would
we
would
be
reached
between
2017
and
2021,
and
obviously
we're
at
the
upper
end
of
that
range
in
2021.,
since
2008,
the
state
has
invested
281
million
dollars
in
asset
preservation
or
about
3.8
of
that
total
need
think
this
next
bullet
is
very
important.
Additional
investment
is
needed
not
only
to
maintain
the
value
of
our
institutions.
These
are
state-owned
assets,
but
also
the
functionalities.
E
You
know
how
are
those
facilities
going
to
serve
our
students?
We
need
to
modernize
those
facilities
and
make
them
functional,
but
also
we
need
to
maintain
the
safety
of
those
facilities
for
our
students
and
the
faculty
that
work
in
those
facilities,
modern
facilities
and
systems
reduce
operating
costs
and
better
serve
students.
Obviously
this
is
another
important
factor.
E
This
last
bullet
we
went
to
a
couple
of
different
sources
and
from
what
we
were
able
to
to
find
online
construction
costs
over
the
past
five
or
six
years
have
been
growing
at
between
three
percent
and
six
percent
per
year.
So
this
this
is
the
cost
of
renovation
and
renewal
is
only
going
to
continue
to
grow
as
we
move
forward
in
time,
and
so
that
7.3
billion
dollar
need
today
is
going
to
be
even
larger
in
the
future.
E
On
the
left-hand
side
of
the
page,
you
can
see
that
the
vfa
study
projections
were
for
three
different,
four-year
time
periods,
and
you
can
see
that
cumulative
asset
preservation
need
growing
because
it
really
hasn't
been
addressed,
and
that
bottom
line
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
table
shows
that,
in
that
2017
to
2021
time
period,
that
projected
total
asset
preservation
need
would
grow
to
7.3
billion
dollars,
and
that's
essentially
where
we
believe
we
are
today
and
one
reason
for
that.
E
As
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
table
is
that
you
know
over
this
seven
biennial
period,
the
state
investment
in
asset
preservation
has
been
281
million
dollars,
and
that
represents
about
3.8
percent.
Of
that
projected
total
need
next
slide.
Sean.
E
As
president
thompson
said
at
the
outset,
our
top
priority
continues
to
be
for
asset
preservation
funding
and
at
this
particular
time
in
our
draft
request,
we're
thinking
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
700
million
dollars.
350
million
each
year
is
what
we
would
come
forward
with.
In
terms
of
our
ask.
E
Our
report
includes
69
such
projects
with
a
total
scope
of
1.6
billion
and,
and
those
are
just
those
asset
preservation
projects
that
were
included
in
the
first
two
year
period
of
the
six-year
capital
plan
that
the
institutions
submitted.
E
As
I
think
members
of
the
committee
know,
those
projects
were
initially
prioritized
by
the
institutions
when
they
were
submitted,
but
those
priorities
change
as
we
move
forward
in
time,
but
at
least
at
the
time
they
submitted
their
prioritized
list.
We
know
what
those
priorities
were
next
slide
shown.
E
This
table
shows
the
total
scope
of
those
proposed
asset
preservation
projects
for
2022-24,
as
you
can
see
at
the
bottom.
It's
that
1.6
billion
dollar
figure
that
I
mentioned
69
projects,
totaling
that
number
and-
and
you
can
see
the
total
scope
at
each
institution
that
adds
to
that
total.
E
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
off
to
sean
to
talk
about
our
information
technology
projects
and
I'm
available
to
respond
to
any
questions
at
any
time
or
when
we
conclude
this
presentation.
H
34
projects
were
submitted
and
the
evaluation
committee
looked
at
at
those
34
projects.
These
projects
addressed
network
infrastructure,
instruction
and
information
technology,
administrative
needs
of
the
institutions.
As
we
mentioned,
staff
formed
an
evaluation
committee.
It
was
comprised
of
four
members:
a
cpa
senior
fellow
for
technology
and
innovation,
dr
doyle
friskeny
lexington,
fair
government,
cio,
al
donna,
vales
valacenti,
a
faculty
member
from
the
uk
college
of
medicine,
corp,
fun
gardner
and
mr
randall
stevens,
a
technology
entrepreneur
in
the
lexington
area.
H
The
committee
deemed
28
projects
to
be
high
value
for
these
projects
for
uk
healthcare
projects,
a
total
of
45
million
dollars
and
24
of
the
of
the
28
high
value
projects
were
campus
projects
and
a
total
of
about
135
million
dollars
for
those
24
projects.
H
The
committee
did
use
a
very
similar
process
when
looking
at
the
projects
that
the
commonwealth
office
of
technology
uses,
they
looked
at
both
an
assessment
of
risk
and
an
assessment
of
business
value
and
the
high
value
projects
are
those
projects
that
had
a
higher
business
value
and
were
lower
risk.
So
those
projects
that
were
in
that
top
left
quadrant
of
the
schematic
on
on
your
screen.
H
We
have
in
your
report
a
listing
of
the
high
value
technology
projects,
but
we've
also
included
the
projects
in
in
this
presentation.
There
are
eight
university
of
kentucky
university
projects
campus
projects.
H
H
And
I
believe
at
this
point
I
hand
it
back
over
to
dr
thompson
to
introduce
the
cpe
agency
priorities
for
capital.
G
We
have
ways
that
we
think
at
cpe.
Now,
that's
probably
a
little
bit
newer
than
we
thought
in
the
past,
we're
focusing
heavily
on
connecting
once
again
higher
education
to
the
workforce.
We're
also
focused
heavily
on
creating
a
p20
pipeline
to
make
a
lot
of
that
happen.
So
with
that
in
mind,
technology
is
always
on
our
forefront
and
how
we
can
do
it.
Do
it
more
efficiently
and
more
effectively,
and
so
you
know
our
mission
and
vision.
G
So
I
won't
go
over
that
as
much,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
a
process
for
us
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
We
set
it
deeply
into
our
strategic
agenda
and
our
accountability
system.
You
know:
we've
moved
to
a
performance
funding
model
and
you
know:
we've
moved
to
a
place
where
we
do
a
lot
of
assessment
and
accountability
to
make
sure
that
our
campuses
are
reaching
the
particular
goals
that
is
beneficial
not
only
to
their
campus
and
their
community,
but
also
overall
to
the
state.
G
G
But
if
you
think
about
those
items
that
started
and
representative
mccool
was
in
the
audience,
as
you
well
know,
with
the
student
right
to
know
bill
that
we've
developed
a
strong
piece
of
technology
that
allows
a
student
early
to
see
exactly
where
he
he
or
she
can
go
with
the
major
they
choose,
how
much
it's
going
to
cost,
how
much
they'll
get
paid
the
average
amount
of
debt
that
has
been
normally
in
this
case.
So
it
also
leads
to
another
kind
of
financial
literacy.
G
What
we're
asking
for
here
and
I'll?
Let
sean
go
into
greater
detail
here
after
I
present
it
is
we're
asking
for
a
student
portal
that
would
be
sitting
on
our
website.
That
truly
is
an
active
portal
that
allows
students
to
be
able
to
see
how
to
maneuver
from
secondary
education
all
the
way
through
to
the
workforce.
G
We're
calling
that
the
student
portal,
to
be
honest
with
you-
it's
probably
gonna-
cost
us
more
than
this,
but
we
think
we'll
be
able
to
make
it
with
this
two
million
dollar.
That
is
to
ask-
and
we
are
also
going
to
be
looking
at
upgrading
our
optical
network,
and
so
the
3
million
ask
is
a
fairly
low
ask.
I
I
understand,
but
we
believe
that
this
three
million
will
give
us
a
great
return
on
investment.
Sean
get
a
little
more
explanation
for
these.
H
Happy
too,
the
the
first
project
in
our
capital
request
for
2022-24
is
the
student
portal
also
known
as
the
college
to
career
pathways.
This
online
portal
would
would
help
students
from
all
backgrounds
explore
their
career
options
and
college
costs.
H
The
site
would
also
facilitate
course
and
program
comparisons
across
institutions,
and
it
would
facilitate
the
transfer
of
credits
and
and
also
credit
for
prior
learning.
The
two
million
dollar
scope
is
for
a
project
that
utilizes
a
centralized
catalog
of
programs
and
modules
to
allow
the
comparison
of
courses
and
and
degree
programs.
H
This
project
will
will
fund
the
the
equipment
needed
to
connect
the
public
universities
and
kctcs
to
kentucky
wired,
making
full
use
of
kentucky
wired
capabilities.
So
currently,
the
regional
optical
network
connects
the
state's
post-secondary
education
community
to
national
and
international
research
through
internet
2..
H
G
A
Okay
awesome.
Thank
you.
I'm
going
to
jump
into
a
question
here
myself
and
we'll
open
it
up
here
in
a
minute,
I'm
on
slide.
Number
least
I
show
it
as
page
five.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not
we're
talking
about
the
university
undergraduate
full-time
student
count
had
risen,
12
percent
that
slide
and
one
need
to
know,
do
we
have
any
comparisons
with
population
change
in
that
same
general,
age,
group
or
category.
G
May
not
be
exactly
in
the
way
you're
asking,
but
I
can
generally
tell
you
that
college
going
rate
has
fallen
in
kentucky
over
the
last
five
years.
Significantly,
adult
learners
are
even
has
either
aged
out
or
they're,
not
enrolling
like
they
once
did.
The
traditional
age
population
group
that
are
enrolling
are
staying
longer.
Our
retention
rates
up
to
80
percent
at
a
four-year
institutions
and
extremely
high
at
kctcs,
so
we're
having
fewer
people
come
in
the
front
door
and
more
people
going
out
the
back
door.
G
To
answer
your
question,
so
the
population
group
by
relative
comparison
isn't
keeping
up
coming
in,
but
we're
probably
doing
better
going
out.
Our
educational
attainment
rate
has
risen
in
the
last
five
years.
Almost
seven
I
mean
actually
more
than
that.
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
eight
or
nine
percentage
points
so
we're
doing
better
student
success,
but
we've
got
to
get
more
people
in
the
front
door
from
our
adult
learners
and
we've
got
to
get
more
people
in
front
door
from
our
traditional
learners
coming
in
from
high
school.
A
Okay,
fantastic
and
then
I'm
on
two
more
slides
later
you
mentioned
the
asset
preservation.
You
have
a
number
around
that
with
the
700
total
new
constructions.
Yet
to
be
determined,
do
we
have
any
clue
at
all
where
we
might
land
with
that,
because
I
know
you
mentioned
three
and
three
to
one
ratio
before
I
I
started
to
think
you
were
going
to
a
different
ratio,
but
then
I
couldn't
quite
tell
do
we
have
any
clues
about
where
you're
going
with
that.
G
Bill,
but
what
has
our
campuses
told
us?
We?
Let
me
state
this
before
bill
answers.
We
have
been
pushing
heavily
so
from
cpe
for
the
last
two
biennia.
We've
only
brought
to
you
the
asset
preservation
as
our
number
one
as
the
way
we're
going
and
haven't
brought
to
you
any
new
construction
simply
because
we
feel
that
there's
not
been
enough
focus
on
that,
and
so
I
I'm
sure
you
will
get
campuses
wanting
new
construction.
I'm
sure
there
will
be
some
folks
in
your
community
asking
for
it.
E
We
actually
have
a
chief
budget
officer's
meeting
scheduled
for
tomorrow
and,
as
you
know,
president
thompson,
the
first
inkling
that
we
got
was
at
the
last
president's
meeting
the
the
first
wednesday
of
this
month,
and
there
were
one
or
two
presidents.
That
said,
are
we
going
to
continue
to
just
move
forward
with
an
asset
preservation
asked,
or
is
there
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
this
upcoming
biennium
to
include
for
a
given
campus
to
include
a
new
construction
project?
E
Those
campus
presidents
at
that
august
meeting
was
that
he
definitely
wanted
to
continue
to
stress
asset
preservation,
but
that
he
was
not
opposed
to
a
campus,
bringing
a
project
if
it
is
indeed
a
very
high
priority
project
and
they
can
show
a
strong
rationale
for
why
we
need
to
invest
in
new
construction.
On
a
given
campus,
we're
not
going
to
close
the
door
to
those
conversations,
and
so
we
will
be
having
those
conversations
tomorrow
with
the
chief
budget
officers
will
be.
E
President
thompson
will
be
speaking
to
the
presidents
september
at
the
september
president's
meeting,
and
we
likely
will
have
at
least
two
or
three
campuses
that
have
a
request
for
some
new
construction
on
their
on
their
campus.
A
Okay,
you're
leaning
right
into
my
next
question,
which
was
in
your
1.6
billion
list
here
in
these
projects.
I
haven't
done
the
line
item
check
but
are
are
any
of
these
the
same
as
the
campus
priorities.
Or
did
you
guys
pretty
much
come
up
with
your
own
priorities
and
they
may
or
may
not
like?
How
much
does
it
align
similarity
with
the
school
requests
and
how
much
is
it
kind
of
off
on
the
more
umbrella
approach
of
the
cpe.
H
I
can
answer
this
question
for
the
committee.
The
1.6
billion
dollars
is
the
sum
of
all
of
the
asset
preservation
projects
that
were
submitted.
I
believe
it
was
version
3
in
the
capital
planning
system
that
included
at
least
some
portion
of
the
project
funded
with
state
general
fund
dollars.
So
that
is
the
that's
the
explanation
behind
the
projects
that
go
into
this
list.
G
A
G
E
Well,
what
we
will
be
recommending
is
an
asset
preservation
pool
and
whatever
level
of
funding
would
be
provided
or
authorized
by
the
general
assembly.
We
would
apply
the
percentages
based
on
vfa
study
needs
shown
in
this
table
here
and
in
that
third
column
of
numbers,
with
the
heading
state
funding.
E
If
we
requested,
and
the
general
assembly
authorized
700
million
dollars
in
asset
preservation
funding,
each
campus
would
receive
the
allocation
that
you
see
on
on
this
slide
here
and
then
they
would
be
able
to
out
of
those
asset
preservation
projects
that
they
prioritized
that
make
up
that.
You
know:
1.6
billion
dollar,
total.
E
Obviously,
for
example,
uk
identified
more
than
257
million
dollars
in
in
their
list
that
that
is
part
of
that
1.6
billion
dollars.
They
would
have
to
determine
which
of
those
projects
you'll
go
back
to
the
other
slide.
Sean.
E
So
they
they
identified
370
million
dollars
for
the
first
two
years
of
their
six-year
capital
plan,
which
would
be
within
that
20-22-24
time
frame.
Each
campus
would
have
to
determine
which
of
those
projects
that
are
on
that
comprise
the
1.6
billion
would
be
of
highest
priority
and
extend
those
funds
from
that
pool
according
to
their
allocation.
A
A
G
Yes,
there
was
a
law
passed
in
2010
that
created
a
seamless
transfer
process
between
our
two-year
campuses
and
our
four-year
campuses,
and
that's
worked
really
well,
I
mean
there's
glitches,
but
the
law
says
if
there's
a
glitch
and
they
can't
resolve
it.
It
comes
to
me
and
I
can
resolve
it,
but
what
we
also
didn't
have
in
there
was
a
four
year
to
four
year
as
well.
So
in
some
cases
there
have
been
different
ways
of
looking
at
a
course
offered
whether
it's
going
to
be
accepted
or
not.
G
In
that
case,
each
campus
will
take
a
look
at
the
syllabi,
the
required
prerequisites
for
that
course,
and
the
course
equivalencies
then
would
take
place
to
make
sure
that
they
are
looked
at
so
as
far
as
seamless
goes
there,
it's,
probably
not
as
seamless
as
I
would
like,
but
it's
one
that
is
workable.
The
the
biggest
issue
we
had
around
this
and
I'm
proud
to
say
kentucky
was
one
of
the
first
states
to
create
a
seamless
way
of
thinking,
about
course,
transfer
through
learning
outcomes
in
2010
and
that's
working
really
well
once
again
chair.
G
Well,
what
this
system
will
do
literally
is
allow-
and
I
think
this
system
may
actually
solve
that
issue.
This
would
allow
students
to
see
if
they
take
a
course
in
in
one
place,
what
institutions
will
it
be
transferred
to,
and
I
will
promise
you
if
one
institution
takes
it
another
one,
don't
we'll
see
all
most
all
of
them
taking
it.
G
So
this
is
really
once
again
a
full
disclosure
transparency
issue
that
allows
the
student
to
have
a
lot
of
control
over
his
or
her
way
of
of
his
or
her
education,
and
that's
including
some
credit
for
prior
learning
that
even
goes
beyond
their
transferability.
It
goes
to
the
idea
of
competencies
that
they
may
have
gotten
in
certain
areas
that
allows
us
to
look
at
that
in
a
way
to
evaluate
it.
So
students
know
how
much
and
how
many
credits
that
they
will
get
for
those
courses
or
for
that
life
experience.
A
Awesome
we're
going
to
jump
out
of
order
once
again
from
the
agenda
and
if
all
the
members
could
refer
to
the
minutes
in
your
packets,
and
I
want
it
to
open
the
floor
to
entertain
emotion
on
the
minutes
motion
from
senator
wheeler.
A
Second
from
representative
mccool
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
A
Okay,
while
we're
waiting
for
representative
lewis,
senator
wheeler,
has
a
question.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
it
makes
me
feel
good
to
see
so
much
efforts
on
asset
preservation.
I
think
that's
very
important.
I
mean
just
to
be
frank.
When
I
went
to
uk,
I
always
thought
the
most
beautiful
buildings
on
campus
have
practically
been
there.
I
The
longest
the
newer
ones
never
did
strike
my
fancy
too
much,
but
you
know
I
I
did
he
I've
heard
I've
got
a
lot
of
friends
in
town
that
are
having
kids
go
off
to
school
for
the
first
time
and
everything
and
are
frankly
coming
back
and
telling
stories
that
they're
quite
amazed
at
the
luxuries
in
some
of
these
dorm
rooms
like
tempur-pedic
mattresses
and
things
like
that.
I
Now,
I'm
all
about
you
know,
kids,
having
the
necessities
on
campus
of
a
clean
place
to
stay
and
a
safe
place
to
stay,
and
things
like
that.
But
you
know,
given
that
all
the
taxpayers
dollars
are
are
are
important
plus
the
fact
I
think,
there's
probably
a
learning
experience.
I
know
when
I
went
to
college
and
had
to
sleep
on
a
set
of
box
springs
and
a
thin
mattress.
You
know
there's
something
about
roughing
it
that
that
kind
of
br,
you
know,
breeds
a
little
bit
of
camaraderie
and
things.
I
You
know
what
to
what
attention
is
the
council
on
post
secondary
education
monitoring
some
of
these?
What
I
might
call
excessive
expenditures
by
the
universities
on
on
things
like
that.
G
Well,
you
ask
a
couple
of
questions
there
and
I'll
I'll
start
by
saying:
if
you
you
know
when
I
was
in
school,
I
won't
even
tell
you
what
I
had
to
do.
B
G
So
that
was
a
long
time
ago.
Well,
you
know
the
money
we're
asking
for
it
doesn't
go
to
residence
halls,
the
those
residence
halls
you're
referring
to
are
public
private
partnerships.
G
This
is
where
they
have
gone
into
with
private
partners
and
that's
the
way
that
that
they're
paying
for
those
buildings,
because
we
haven't
gotten
any
money
in
that
area
to
real
residence
halls
for
a
long
time.
So
it
is
luxurious.
I'm
not
gonna
lie.
I've
got
kids
in
college,
the
the
idea
that,
for
many
universities
and
colleges
I
spoke
at
kentucky
state
this
morning,
where
they
have
a
lot
of
old
residence
halls.
They
got
mold
and
water
coming
through
and
so
on.
G
That's
why
we're
going
with
asset
preservation
on
this
one,
but
the
new
residence
halls
are
actually
a
competitive
factor.
If
you
will
that
campuses
are
telling
us
that
everybody
has
and
students
are
asking
for
that,
parents
are
asking
for
that,
so,
but
in
this
case
we're
not
asking
for
money
from
the
state
to
supply
for
that.
G
A
Okay,
we'll
pause
on
representative
lewis,
representative
mccool
has
a
question.
B
G
B
Makes
you
appreciate
one
today,
though,
doesn't
it
it
sure
does?
But
anyway,
I
appreciate
your
all's
time.
Certainly
I
appreciate
you
mentioning
about
the
the
students
access
all
the
the
the
technology
and
open
access
to
all
serving
between
the
universities
as
well
right
to
know
that
you
mentioned
about.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
valuable,
but
I'm
asked
about
the
technology.
G
It
indeed
has
tremendously,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
appreciate
the
question
and
it
has
helped
tremendously
to
a
degree
what
we
saw
this
last
time
with
covet.
The
digital
divide
was
even
wider
than
we
thought,
so
even
they
we
provided
access
in
many
cases,
what
we
didn't
provide
was
the
what
I
call
the
capacity
so
many
of
these
students,
although
had
access
with
dad
and
mom
at
home,
working
and
students
downloading
your
stuff.
It
just
wasn't
enough
upload
and
download
speeds.
G
So
so
much
of
the
way
we
have
to
think
about
this
now
in
the
digital
divide
is
about
not
just
having
access
to
it,
but
the
usability
of
it.
So
a
part
of
this
k-ron
piece
obviously
is
to
go
to
increase
fiber
and
download
and
upload
speed.
So
but
yes,
I
I
couldn't
imagine
having
this
conversation
with
you
10
years
ago.
Well,
I
did
probably,
as
I
think
about
it,
but
it
it's
a
long
way
from
there
tremendously.
G
B
B
Madam
chair
you're.
A
B
Work
so
we're
good
go
for
it,
but
but
but
thank
you,
madam
chair,
always
good
to
see
a
a
native
clay
county
president
thompson
good
to
see
you
good
to
see
you.
I
just
had
one
quick
question
and
going
through
your
your
slideshow.
B
I
do
see
that
there
is
emphasis
being
placed
on
cyber
security,
but
as
we're
going
forward-
and
I
know
this
has
been
a
lot
of
conversations
and
on
the
insurance
side
of
things,
but
you
know
every
day,
you're
seeing
ransomware
come
up
and
and
different
companies,
you
know,
literally
being
you
know,
held
at
gunpoint
for
access
to
their
systems
going
forward
the
next
you
know
10
20
years,
cyber
security.
What
are
you
all
thinking
and
what
steps
are
you
taking
to
protect
our
systems.
G
You
know
excellent
question
and
I
can't
answer
all
of
that.
What
I
will
answer
that
I
know
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
What
I
know
is
you're
absolutely
right:
you're
hitting
the
nail
on
the
head,
I
mean
everything
can
be
hacked
now
and
there
are
people
in
business
just
to
hack
and
charge
ransoms,
and
it's
cheaper
in
many
cases
to
pay
him.
G
So
this
has
become
an
illegitimate
business
that
that
many
bigger
folk
are
getting
involved
in,
which
is
scary,
so
that
tells
you
the
corporatization
of
this
is
exactly
where
your
questions
leading
to
our
campuses
obviously
are
working
on
this.
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
how
much
or
what
I
know
or
what
I
don't
know.
We
approve
new
programs
all
the
time
that
are
cutting
edge,
that
focuses
on
cyber
security.
I
can
tell
you
that
we've
approved
several
this
past
year.
G
The
other
item,
I
will
add
as
an
example,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
board
of
baptist
health,
corporate
baptist
health
and
I
and
and
health
care,
is
a
prime
example
of
what
you're
talking
about.
Even
though
we're
talking
education
here,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
all
these
things
are
connected
and
somehow
we've
got
to
as
an
education
body
as
the
people
who
create
r
d
as
the
people
who
are
the
creators.
G
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
of
good
outcomes
toward
things
like
this,
we're
going
to
have
to
double
down
on
how
to
stay
ahead
of
this
game
that
is
being
played
on
us
and
I'm
sure
I'm
not
answering
all
your
questions
because
I
don't
know
exactly
the
answer
to
the
piece
of
it.
But
that
is
what
I
do
know.
A
A
A
You
kentucky
court
of
justice
presenters
if
you
could
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
presentation.
J
All
right-
I
I
don't
have
anything
to
show-
do
want
to
to
just
bring
you
all
up
to
speed
the
project
that
we
are
requesting
for
the
capital.
Construction
division
at
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
in
the
2022
budget
will
be
leslie
county.
That
is
a
we
are
anticipating
a
24
000
square
foot
program
need
for
that
facility.
We
currently
have.
J
J
I
Yeah,
I
you
know,
I
applaud
the
the
focus
on
getting
some
new
courtroom
facilities
as
a
practicing
attorney
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
and
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
necessarily
question
the
need
for
some
courthouses
and
and
that
you
know,
and
throughout
areas
that
have
traditionally
been
underserved
in
the
past.
But
you
know
I
know
on
several
of
these
that
have
been
done.
In
fact,
I
was
supposed
to
have
a
jury
trial
in
pike
county
this
week.
They
built
a
magnificent
courthouse.
I
There
I
mean
it's,
it's
it's
enormous
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
we
ran
into
with
kova
we're
having
to
have
more
people
appear
remotely.
I
had
a
witness
that
worked
in
a
covert
ward.
I
We
needed
to
try
to
get
on
the
screen
from
afar,
and
even
though
there
was
a
juror
box
with
about
20
monitors,
there
guess
what
it
wasn't
working
and
the
internet
was
not
stable
and
I
actually
talked
to
the
circuit
clerk's
sister,
who
I
went
to
high
school
with
and
she
said,
there's
all
kinds
of
problems
with
that
building,
which
is
relatively
new.
I
I
think
it
was
maybe
opened
in
2010-
and
I
know
in
lawrence
county,
which
is
also
part
of
my
district-
there's,
been
a
lot
of
problems
with
that
new
building,
again
very
beautiful
building,
I
like
the
architectural
style,
but
you
know
I've
heard:
there's
been
some
persistent
quality
control
problems.
What's
what's
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
done
to
try
to
get
this
under
control,
and-
and
you
know
how
can
we
assure
that
these
future
projects
won't
have
a
lot
of
the
same
problems?
The
more
recent
projects
have
had.
J
And-
and
I
appreciate
your
you
know
identifying
those
issues
we
we
ourselves
have
also
looked
at
ways
to
you
know
work
through
some
of
those
issues
that
we
that
have
come
up.
J
One
of
the
items
that
we
are
focusing
on
is
looking
at
materials
and
and
equipment
that
is
easily
more
easily
maintainable,
a
local
maintenance
staff.
We
do
rely
on
the
counties
to
to
you
know
as
the
the
the
public
properties
corporation
and
the
physical
court
are
the
owners
of
these
facilities.
J
We
also
are
looking
at
more
across-the-board
preventative
maintenance
schedules
and
contracts
so
that
we
do
have
qualified
personnel,
whether
it's
a
contractor
or
a
local
provider
that
comes
in
and
you
know,
does
quarterly
or
biannual
maintenance
on
the
the
lighting,
the
hvac
anything
related
to
the
the
equipment
itself.
I
But
it
does
start
there
just
a
second,
since
you
brought
up
an
interesting
point
in
your
answer
there.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
the
they
have
mentioned
is
that
they
had
just
decided
that,
even
though
they
had
all
these
individual
screens
that
they
paid
for
and
installed
in
the
boxes
that
it
would
probably
be
more
proper
to
have
one
large
screen
on
a
cart
and
they
had
brought
that
there,
but
it
had
been
sitting
in
a
box.
I
I
think
for
around
three
weeks,
because
even
though
they
had
somebody
on
their
staff
who
was
recently
hired
for
as
a
technology
coordinator
for
the
local
school
system
before
he
left,
he
was
willing
to
install
that
and
set
that
up.
He
couldn't
do
anything
without
a,
I
guess,
a
green
slip
or
a
green
light
from
the
aoc,
and
that
has
to
go
through
a
pretty
substantial
process.
I
Apparently
they'd
had
him
do
some
work
previously
independently
and-
and
you
know-
and
he
was
chastised
for
that,
so
they
were
chastised
for
that-
I
guess
the
office.
So
you
know
the
picture
I
got
from
speaking
to
them,
as
not
only
as
their
senator,
but
as
a
practicing
attorney
was
a
lot
of
bureaucratic
mess
and
quality
control,
and
that
was
a
great
concern
for
me.
J
I'm
I'm
going
to
ask
charles
charles
byers,
charles,
is
over
our
its
department,
and
he
can,
I
think,
speak
to
our
audio
video
in
the
courtroom.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
danny.
Thank
you
senator.
I
appreciate
the
question.
Pike
county
is
one
we've,
I'm
working
on
it
even
this
morning,
the
internet
service
provider
that
they
have
there
is
sudden
link,
and
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
is
that
we
try
to
provide
the
maximum
amount
of
bandwidth
available
very
similar
to
what
we
heard
in
the
university
context
and
especially
as
it
relates
to
video
conferencing.
C
Those
transactions
are,
are
very
bandwidth
intensive,
but
we're
limited
to
the
carriers
that
are
available
in
that
space,
and
so
we're
always
evaluating
different
carriers
and
looking
for
the
for
the
best
ways
to
hook
that
up
the
the
jury.
Rail
monitors
are
part
of
that
jabs
system
and
that's
a
vendor
solution
that
we
have
for
the
inside
the
courtroom
system.
It's
a
very
complicated
proprietary,
integrated
system.
C
So
when
we
do
things
like
zoom
or
microsoft,
teams,
meetings
where
we
have
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
integrate
those
things
together,
they
were
never
really
designed
to
work
together.
In
that
regard,
much
like
this
meeting,
it
took
some
effort,
I'm
sure
by
lrc
staff,
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
this
work,
and
so
we
are
actively
working
on
that
in
terms
of
the
the
large
monitor
that
was
there
and
why
it's
not
hooked
up.
I,
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that.
I
would
have
to
look
into
it.
C
Well,
yes,
because
well-meaning
folks
make
a
mess
out
of
this
stuff
each
and
every
day,
and
so
we
we
will
spend
more
time
after
this
pandemic.
Finally
lets
up
going
back
out
into
these
courtrooms
and
reconfiguring
those,
because
once
they
start
to
mess
with
it
it
it
compromises
the
integrity
of
that
court
record.
Because,
as
you
know,
we
don't
have
court
reporters
in
kentucky
and
so
that
audio
video
recording
is
the
official
record
of
the
court.
So
we
do
take
it
very
seriously
and
some
people
may
think
we're
overly
protective
of
it.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
comment.
I'd
like
to
echo
the
sentiments
of
my
friend
and
colleague,
senator
willard.
You
know
we
want
to
be
good
tax,
good
stewards
of
taxpayer
dollars,
and
you
know
when
I
first
got
elected
to
the
office.
One
of
the
first
people
to
reach
out
to
me
was
the
county
attorney
and
and
some
of
the
judges
and
talking
about
you
know
really
the
disrepair
and
other
facilities
in
leslie
county,
which
is
one
of
the
counties
that
I
represent
but
yeah.
B
A
Okay,
do
we
have
other
questions
pending
while
we're
looking
at
that?
I
have
a
question,
so
we
talked
about
that.
Current
judicial
facility
includes
8
000
square
feet
and
this
new
one
projected
would
be
24
000
square
feet,
and
this
study,
or
whatever
was,
is
going
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
judicial
branch
for
50
years.
What
is
involved
in
that
study
to
determine
that
the
judicial
branch,
when
the
technology
is
creating
more
remote
work,
now,
is
actually
going
to
increase
300
percent.
J
So
so
I
I
will,
I
will
add
that
you
know
the
the
court
program,
the
the
building
program
that
we
we
develop,
that
requires
you
know
so
much
square
footage
for
courtrooms
com,
so
much
square
footage
for
office
space
related
to
that
space
for
our
drug
court
pre-trial
cdw
offices,
the
circuit
clerk.
J
All
of
that,
since
the
late
2000s
has
been
reevaluated,
we
have
looked
at
ways
to
reduce
square
footages
in
you
know,
buildings
that
that
we,
you
know,
we
feel
like
there
were
spaces
that
were
unutilized
or
could
be
utilized
as
common
areas.
So
the
the
24
000
square
foot
that
has
been
proposed
for
this
judicial
facility
does
include
space
for
all
of
our
court
functions
within
that
space
and
it
it
reduces.
J
You
know
the
the
size
of
the
courtrooms
not
substantially,
but
you
know
where
we
feel,
like
you
know,
with
technology
improvements
that
the
the
courtroom
can
function.
You
know
with
the
reduction
of
those
square
footages,
but
also
reduces
the
amount
of
conference
rooms
to
create
shared
conference
rooms,
but
we
do
feel
like
based
on
the
assessment
that
the
amount
of
space
that
we
currently
occupy
in
leslie
county
is
very
inadequate.
J
Based
off
of
facilities
that
we
constructed
in
the
late
2000s
that
that
is
a
reduced
square
foot,
a
comparable,
comparable
program,
you
know
from
projects
that
were
authorized
in
2006
and
2008
probably
would
have
been
around
32
000
33
000
square
foot
for
a
facility
in
this
area.
A
Okay,
so
going
back
to
several
years
ago,
in
discussing
these
projects
in
other
counties,
we
heard
testimony
relating
to
how
much
growth
there
would
be
projected
for
the
next
17
years
and
that's
why
they
needed
to
build
about
50
percent
extra
now,
so
they
could
grow
later.
How
much
of
this
is
growth
pattern
and
how
much
of
this
is
a
wider
hallway,
and
so
it
takes
more
square
footage
and
how
much
of
this
is
actually
we're
going
to
be
using
this
space
tomorrow.
J
There
are
other
areas
that
you
know
are
required
in
this
facility
that
we
may
not
have
in
leslie
county
we've
got
space
for
you
know:
security,
cueing
security,
monitoring
holding
sales.
J
You
know
throughout
the
facility
for
each
courtroom,
sally
ford
area,
the
circulation
pass
for
not
only
the
general
public,
but
also
court
staff
and
the
the
prisoner
transfer
through
the
building.
All
of
those
are
separated
and
do
not
cross
at
any
time
so
that
that
is
part
of
the
you
know.
The
circulation
of
the
building
is
part
of
the
reason
for
the
the
square
footage.
A
Okay,
so
going
back
to
the
cost,
this
is
in
our
capital
request
for
15
million
dollars,
and
it
says
the
annual
general
fund
use
allowance
is
1.2
million.
So
are
you
suggesting
that
the
total
cost
of
this
project
is
15
million
and
that
is
going
to
be
on
top
of,
in
addition
to
or
inclusive
of
general
fund
use
allowance,
and
or
will
there
be
any
costs
to
the
locals
at
a
certain
point
in
time.
J
No,
the
the
the
use
allowance
these
projects
when
we
construct
them.
You
know
we
work
with
the
counties
to
you
know
they.
They
will
be
the
ultimate
owner
of
the
building,
but
these
projects
are
bonds
are
sold
locally
and
that
that
spread
out
through
a
20-year
bond
issuance.
J
On
on
these
projects,
we
haven't
had
an
issue
with
that:
it
doesn't
go
toward
their
bond
capacity
when
we
set
the
public
properties
corporation
up,
because
these
are
backed
by
the
authorization
to
the
judicial
budget.
There
hasn't
been
any
indication
that
you
know
this
is
this,
would
you
know
go
against
what
their
bonding
capacity
would
be.
A
J
So
I
think
there
will
be
adjustments
moving
forward,
but
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
a
lot
of
what
we're
moving
to,
or
you
know,
I
believe,
hybrid
proceedings.
You
know
where
you
might
have.
You
might
not
have
as
many
spectators
in
the
courtroom,
but
you
do
have
you
know
you
know
possible
litigants
or
attorneys
and
judges,
staff
and
clerk
staff
in
there.
J
You
know
I
could
let
charles
speak
to
this,
but
on
recent
facilities
we
are
making
provisions
in
a
lot
of
our
conference
rooms
to
to
include
large
monitors
and
video
capability
for
those
so
that
you
can
use
you
know,
conference
rooms
instead
of
courtrooms
for
the
you
know
virtual
proceedings,
but
at
this
time
we
haven't
made
any
adjustments
related
to
you
know
the
possibility
of
of
all
virtual
proceedings,
or
you
know
anything
of
that
nature.
A
A
D
D
Technology
love
it.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
katie
smith,
I'm
the
commissioner
of
the
department
for
financial
services
here
at
the
cabinet
for
economic
development,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
today
to
present
our
capital
plan
request
to
you
so
before
I
get
into
that.
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
who
we
are
and
kind
of
what
we
do.
D
So
our
cabinet
is
governed
by
the
kentucky
economic
development
partnership
board
and
that's
a
13
member
board
comprised
of
eight
private
sector
members,
four
cabinet
secretaries
and
it's
chaired
by
the
governor
and
this
board
oversees
the
work
that
is
accomplished
by
our
cabinet.
Our
cabinet
currently
consists
of
the
office
of
the
secretary,
the
department
for
business
development,
the
department
for
financial
services,
the
office
of
entrepreneurship
and
small
business,
innovation,
office
of
marketing
and
public
affairs
and
the
office
of
legal
services.
D
Additionally,
we
have
three
other
boards
that
are
attached
to
the
cabinet.
First
is
our
kentucky
economic
development
finance
authority,
which
we
call
kedfa
and
they're
the
primary
board
that
authorizes
the
majority
of
our
tax
incentive
programs
and
various
incentive
programs
that
we
we
recommend
and
have
approved
through
the
through
that
board.
Additionally,
we
have
a
bluegrass
state
skills
corporation
board
that
handles
we
have
a
couple
of
workforce
training
programs
and
then
finally,
we
have
a
commission
on
small
business
advocacy
and
innovation
board.
D
Currently
we
have
63
employees
and
our
main
office
is
located
here
in
frankfurt
in
the
old
capital
annex.
We
do
also
have
a
couple
of
foreign
contracts:
representative
representation,
one
is
in
germany
in
hamburg
and
he
covers
kind
of
the
europe
area
and
then
the
other
is
in
tokyo.
Japan
and
our
cabinet
is
the
primary
state
government
agency
that
is
responsible
for
encouraging
job
creation,
business
retention
and
new
corporate
investment.
Here
in
kentucky.
D
Our
cabinet
offers
various
programs
and
services
to
assist
companies
that
are
considering
location,
expansion
and
retention
projects
here
in
kentucky,
our
project
management
team
does
pride
itself
on
customer
service
that
it
offers
to
assist
projects
and
we
strive
to
meet
with
projects
so
that
we
can
understand
their
needs
and
provide
assistance
in
doing
so.
We
also
collaborate
across
other
state
agencies,
so
we
can
address
the
questions
raised
by
the
projects
and
their
requests.
D
D
We
work
with
work,
ready
communities,
the
product
development
initiative,
as
well
as
opportunity
zones,
and
additionally,
we
have
several
tax
incentive
programs
that
we
that
are
available,
that
we
use
to
negotiate.
The
location
of
new
projects
or
expansion
of
existing
projects,
as
well
as
retention
of
our
existing
industry
as
well
year
today
in
2021,
we've,
been
very
excited
to
announce
over
60
new
location
and
expansion
projects
investing
over
2.6
billion
dollars
and
creating
over
5
500
full-time
jobs,
paying
an
average
hourly
wage
of
23.47.
D
So
economic
development
incentives
are
used
in
negotiations
to
attract
various
economic
development
opportunities.
Incentive
programs
assist
in
lowering
the
cost
of
doing
business
in
a
state,
and
they
are
necessary
to
compete
with
all
of
the
other
states,
because
all
the
other
49
states
have
the
incentive
programs
that
offer
them
as
well.
D
Historically,
tax
incentive
programs
have
been
used
by
us
and
by
other
states
to
compete
for
potential
projects,
but
more
projects
that
we
are
now
working
with
are
requesting
assistance
more
in
the
form
of
cash.
So
our
capital
plan
request
is
similar
to
our
previous
request.
In
the
past,
it
asks
for
an
increase
of
funds
for
three
of
our
cash
programs
that
we
use
to
track
different
projects
across
kentucky
those
programs
are
listed
here.
There
are
kedfield
loans
and
grants
our
high
tech,
investment
and
construction
pool,
and
our
economic
development
fund
projects.
D
Funds
awarded
under
all
of
these
programs
are
in
the
form
of
either
a
loan
forgivable
loan
or
grant,
and
the
applicant
must
make
a
commitment
to
create
or
retain
a
certain
number
of
new
or
existing
jobs,
and
projects
may
also
be
required
to
pay
a
certain
level
wages
to
employees,
maintain
a
certain
level
of
payroll
or
make
a
certain
level
investment
as
well.
The
process
for
each
of
the
programs
is
very
similar.
D
Applications
are
required
to
be
submitted
along
with
any
additional
documentation
that
the
project
managers
may
need
in
order
to
do
due
diligence
in
order
to
determine
that
the
projects
qualify
and
are
eligible
for
each
of
the
programs.
Negotiations
with
the
applicants
then
occur
and
incentive
amounts
in
any
job.
Wage
investment
or
collateral
requirements
are
then
recommended
by
management
for
the
high
tech
pool
projects.
They
are
recommended
from
the
executive
director
of
the
office
of
entrepreneurship
and
small
business.
Innovation.
D
Edf
projects
require
the
recommendation
of
our
cabinet
secretary,
as
well
as
the
concurrence
from
the
cabinet
from
the
finance
cabinet
secretary
as
well,
and
then
the
counselor
projects
require
the
recommendation
from
either
our
deputy
commissioner
or
commissioner
of
our
department
for
business
development.
These
projects
are
then
presented
to
kedford
for
approval.
D
D
Since
2005,
the
general
assembly
has
previously
authorized
a
total
of
183.25
million
dollars
for
all
of
the
programs.
Projects
have
been
approved
and
disbursed
from
these
authorizations,
and
approximately
19.87
million
dollars
was
available
for
us
to
use
for
projects
for
future
projects
as
of
june
30th
of
this
year.
D
So
our
cabinet
planner
request
totals
60
million
dollars
over
the
next
biennium,
and
it
consists
of
20
million
for
each
of
the
three
programs
that
I've
discussed
over
the
life
of
each
of
these
programs.
Many
kentucky
companies
have
received
funding
and
assistance
to
locate
new
facilities,
expanding
existing
operations
or
retain
existing
facilities
here
in
kentucky,
and
the
future
of
each
of
these
programs
is
critical
to
continue
the
success
of
attracting
new
businesses
to
kentucky,
as
well
as
keeping
existing
businesses
and
expansion
of
them
as
well.
D
Additionally,
other
states
are
competitive
and
they
will
speak
negative
about
kentucky
if
we
do
not
have
cash
available
for
potential
projects,
we
do
need
to
have
the
flexibility
to
work
with
potential
projects
to
develop
the
most
efficient
incentive
packages
necessary
to
win
projects
for
kentucky.
So
we
please
ask
you
to
consider
our
request
for
additional
funds
for
our
programs.
D
The
kentucky
association
for
economic
development
hired
a
site
selection
consultant
that
worked
with
communities
across
kentucky
to
apply
for
potential
infrastructure
improvements
regarding
sites
and
buildings
in
their
areas.
After
the
concept
after
those
consultants
reviewed
the
projects,
the
cabinet
then
considered
some
of
them
for
requests
for
potential
grant
funding
under
our
edf
program
in
2020,
the
cabinet
did
recommend
inception
approved
projects
across
eight
communities
to
invest
nearly
three
million
dollars
in
infrastructure
improvements.
D
D
I
continue
to
talk
to
company
representatives
since
the
announcement,
because
we're
continuing
to
work
with
them-
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
one
of
the
individuals
involved
in
the
decision
confirmed
with
me
that
having
that
site
shovel
ready
was
a
must
and
was
definitely
involved
in
the
decision-making
process.
He
mentioned.
There's
several
200
plus
acre
sites
across
the
country,
but
companies
need
to
have
the
utilities
already
in
place,
so
they
don't
have
to
wait
months
or
years
for
that
infrastructure
to
be
there.
So
that's
all
I
have
today.
A
I'm
going
to
ask
one
question
related
to
the
totals
here.
It
looks
like
my
understanding
is
that
we're
dealing
with
a
pool
of
money-
183
million-
has
been
appropriated
thus
far,
and
all
of
it
is
hanging
out
there
or
has
been
forgiven
or
whatever
to
the
point
that
we're
down
to
19
million
working
dollars.
Right
now
is
that
accurate.
D
We
have
approved
and
authorized
and
we've
utilized
funds
for
grants
and
loans
and
forgivable
loans,
and
so
we
do
have
19
that
is
available
for
us.
We
do
have
some
projects
that
are
commitments,
so
they
haven't
received
approval
yet,
but
we,
the
majority
of
those
funds,
have
been
used
and
and
so
we
do
only
have
19
million
dollars
available
again.
That
was
as
of
the
end
of
june,
and
I
believe
that
is
still
the
case
today.
So.
A
Is
this
a
pool
that
this
money
is
just
going
out
or
is
some
of
it
get
end
up,
getting
repaid
and
or
of
course,
whenever
they
don't
reach
their
goals?
Some
of
it
doesn't
end
up
going
out
the
door.
Is
it
a
pool,
or
is
it
more
just
one
directional?
It's
always
leaving
and
so
you're
asking
basically
for
reinfusion.
D
So
it
and
for
some
of
the
loans
they
are
a
pool
where
money
gets
come
back
and
gets
recycled,
and
then
we
reuse
for
additional
loans,
and
so
we've
been
doing
that,
but
then
on
others,
for
how
we've
structured
some
of
the
grants
is
that
we
don't
they're
more
performance
based.
So
we
don't
get
collateral
up
front,
we
wait
until
they
perform
and
if
they
don't
perform,
we
reduce
the
disbursement
and
payment.
D
A
D
That
that
we
don't
ever
know
because
we
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
a
grant
where
we
actually
give
them
a
performance-based
grant
or
if
it's
going
to
be
structured
as
a
loan,
we
don't
know
kind
of
what
projects
or
what
type
of
funding
may
be
requested.
So
I
don't
know
if
all
of
that
19
million,
I
will
say
the
biggest
the
best.
D
A
D
We
have
roughly,
I
believe,
around
15
to
20
loans
that
are
still
out
there
now.
One
of
them
is
has
the
potential
for
the
legislature
to
forgive
because
it
was
the
acquisition
of
a
mega
site
in
glendale.
D
So
I
don't
know
for
sure
those
funds
will
come
back,
but
the
because
there
is
the
potential
for
that,
but
all
of
the
other
loans
are
repaying
and
I
don't
remember
the
balance
outstanding
that
we
have
for
that,
maybe
roughly
around
10
to
12
million
on
those
others.
I
could
be
wrong
on
that,
though.
The
balance
outstanding.
A
Okay?
Well,
thank
you.
So
much,
commissioner
good
to
see
you
again
and
we
will
move
forward
to
department
for
local
government.
A
Welcome
you
may
introduce
yourself
with
record
and
proceed
with
your
presentation.
B
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
billy
johnson,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
office
of
federal
and
state
grants
at
dlg.
We
also
have
with
us
today
laura
redman,
who
is
our
budget
manager,
and
I
will
probably
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
aaron
jones.
He
is
our
program
manager
that
manages
our
flood
program,
which
is
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
today.
K
K
Okay,
thank
you
sorry
about
that.
Madam
chair
and
committee
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
eric
jones
local
government
advisor
for
the
department
for
local
government
and
I
have
administered
the
flood
control
local
match
participation
program
for
approximately
the
past
six
years,
so
per
dlg's
funding
request.
K
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
general
overview
of
the
local
batch
participation
program
and
basically
the
purpose
it
serves
for
our
local
communities
and
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
the
return
on
investment
for
the
commonwealth,
so
the
local
match
program
basically
just
provides
the
necessary
funds
for
the
local
communities
to
fulfill
their
cost
share
requirements
for
federally
funded
flood
mitigation
projects.
K
I've
listed
out
here
traditional
projects
and
non-traditional
projects
per
the
statute.
The
way
it's
laid
out,
your
your
traditional
projects
with
this
program
was
first
created,
we're
more
geared
towards
the
us
army
corps
engineers
and
fema,
and
basically,
what
we
consider
a
traditional
project
is
when
you
have
a
specific
match
percentage
that
the
federal
agency
or
sponsor
particularly
the
core
engineers
of
feva.
K
K
Now
later,
I
believe
the
program
was
expanded
to
what
I
would
consider
more
non-traditional
flood
mitigation
projects,
and
basically
this
is
when
the
federal
sponsor
of
the
project
may
have
just
a
fixed
amount
of
funding
to
offer
for
the
project
to
whomever
the
local
community
is,
and
then
they
kind
of
leave
it
up
to
the
local
community
to
basically
go
out
and
either
put
put
up
the
money
themselves
or
find
other
funding
sources
to
fill.
Those
remaining
funding
gaps.
K
K
K
These
projects
are
what
I
would
consider
what
the
commonwealth
gets
the
biggest
bag
on
their
buck.
So
I
did
the
numbers
separately
for
these,
so
you
could
see
that
over
that
10
year
period
or
approximately
10-year
period,
the
local
mass
participation
program
spent
a
little
over
3.2
million
in
state
funds
and
just
through
the
army
corps
engineers,
202
projects
we
or
the
commonwealth
received
approximately
a
little
over
64
billion.
K
Million
dollars
in
federal
funds,
so
you
had
that
both
those
type
traditional
non-traditional
projects
together,
basically
for
a
grand
total
of
the
local
batch
participation
program
providing
a
little
over
8.1
billion
and
the
commonwealth
will
receive
a
total
of
86
billion
961
000.
K
If
you're
wondering
the
types
of
flood
mitigation
projects
that
we
helped
fund,
I
made
a
list
here
of
structural
and
non-structural
projects.
I
know
due
to
type
constraints,
I'm
not
gonna
sit
here
and
it
go
read
through
each
each
one
of
these,
but
that
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
actual
kind
of
scopes
of
work
that
we
are
assisting
the
local
communities
to
pay
for.
K
K
They
must
secure
fude
by
a
federal
agency
or
a
federal
sponsor
I'll,
explain
the
difference
there
in
just
a
minute.
So
again,
I'm
kind
of
touching
back
on
the
traditional
match.
The
u.s
army
corps
engineers.
Typically,
you
know
their
202
projects.
Are
they
put
up
95
of
the
funding
and
require
a
5
funding
from
the
local
community
and
then
female
on
average
their
projects
are
they
put
up
70
percent?
They
require
a
30
match
on
to
the
non-traditional,
match
again
the
federal
sponsor
when
they
request
an
amount.
K
It
may
vary
depending
on
the
project
or
the
project's
scope.
So
why
we
label
this
as
kind
of
a
non-traditional
matches
it
may
their
match,
may
not
be
a
specific
percentage
that
they're
asking
for
you
could
have
a
federal
agency,
go
to
a
county
and
say:
hey
look.
We
have
we
support
your
project.
We
have
limited
funds.
We
could
give
you
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
this
project.
K
The
total
project
cost
is
gonna,
be
a
hundred
thousand.
So
it's
up
to
you,
the
county
or
the
city,
to
come
up
with
the
those
funded
gaps
or
find
other
sources
of
funding.
So
I
guess
my
point
being:
is
it
doesn't
always
necessarily
the
project
doesn't
necessarily
always
have
to
be
a
percentage
match.
K
K
The
the
sole
purpose
of
this
program
that
blg
provides
is
to
simply
help
the
local
communities,
with
their
cost
share
requirements
that
the
federal
agency
or
the
federal
sponsor
has
requested
of
them,
and
that's
why
we
want
to
provide
these
funds
is
because
a
lot
of
times
for
a
lot
of
local
communities
who
don't
have
the
funds
to
put
up
for
the
cost
share
requirements.
K
They
could
lose
out
tens
of
thousands,
hundreds
of
thousands,
maybe
even
sometimes
a
billion
or
more,
if
you're
getting
into
202
projects.
K
K
I
won't
sit
here
and
read
all
these
off.
I
did
want
to
explain
what
the
difference
between
the
requirement
of
having
a
federal
agency
or
federal
sponsored
fund
deed
is.
K
We
also
accept
projects
that
may,
let's
say
the
the
county
or
the
city
receives
fund
deed
from
kentucky
transportation
cabinet
who
receives
federal
funds
or
kentucky
emergency
management,
may
provide
funding
for
a
project
and
they
also
receive
funds
through
fema.
Basically,
the
point
is
division
of
water.
They
also
receive
funds
through
fema,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
the
funds.
Don't
necessarily
have
to
come
straight
directly
from
a
federal
agency
to
qualify.
K
K
If
this
say
the
city
within
a
county,
they
most
have
both
have
a
vested
interest
in
a
flood
mitigation
project
or
you
might
have
multiple
counties
submit
an
application
that
that
border
each
other
and
they
may
all
have
a
common
interest
in
a
flood
mitigation
project
either
way.
You
know
the
way
we
look
at
it,
the
the
more
the
more
communities
involved
in
the
more
money
involved.
K
That's
us
is
you
know
it's
a
bigger
bag.
You
got
the
book.
K
It
authorizes
resolution
authorizing
the
local
community
to
submit
the
application
and
apply
for
the
funds
from
dlg
and
then
dlg.
We
also
require
a
copy
of
the
executed
legally
by
deed
agreement
that
the
local
community
has
with
the
federal
sponsor,
if
they
don't
have
that
at
the
time
that
they
are
submitting
the
application.
K
We
do
accept
letters
of
support
or
commitment
letters
from
the
federal
agencies
and
we
don't
buy
to
go
ahead
and
get
the
ball
rolling,
but
dlg
does
not
disperse
any
of
the
local
batch
participation
funds
until
we
receive
a
copy
of
the
executed
agreement
between
the
local
community
and
the
federal
agency
or
federal
sponsor
course,
applications
can
be
found
on
dlg's
website.
K
So
for
fiscal
year,
22
here's
a
list
of
projects,
applications
that
we
have
already
received.
K
This
will
be
a
traditional
project.
The
usgs
provided
forty
three
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
and
then
ohio
county
emergency
management.
They
came
up
with
another.
They
matched
that
with
forty
three
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
for
a
total
of
eighty
seven
thousand
dollars
which
would
fund
half
of
the
project
in
order
to
complete
the
project
they
needed.
Another.
K
Eighty,
seven
thousand:
here's
a
good
example
of
how
you
have
a
joint
application
where
a
city
and
a
city
in
the
county
both
have
a
common
interest
in
the
project
and
will
both
benefit
basically
the
usr.
This
is
also
a
non-traditional
project.
U.S
army
corps
engineers.
They
were
able
to
come
up
with
80
000
for
this
project
and
they
needed
another.
Eighty
thousand
dollars
for
a
total
of
160
000
to
complete
the
project.
A
Could
you
read
us
off
a
total
of
how
much
total
funds
you
have
in
active
projects
because
the
screen's
kind
of
small-
and
we
can't
see
good.
A
K
Ohio
county
has
requested.
Eighty
seven
thousand
city
of
liberty
has
requested
eighty
thousand.
K
Floyd
county
they
have
two
projects.
This
is
what's
called
your
traditional
projects,
because
this
is
the
actual
percentage
batch
for
both
of
these
projects.
Each
of
their
acquisition
property
acquisition
projects.
K
K
Lastly,
hardin
county
has
submitted
a
multi-county
application,
wrecking
ridge,
county
b.
County
hancock
county
are
all
going
to
benefit
from
this
project,
along
with
hard
county,
fema
and
usgs
is
involved
in
this
project
and
hard
county,
along
with
their
co-applicants,
have
requested
253
000.
K
K
Now
the
next
slide
we
have,
we
have
not
received
an
application
yet
for
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineer,
202
projects
that
are
ongoing
projects
that'll
last
for
many
many
years,
but
considering
that
we
ran
out
of
funds
in
2019,
so
there
was
a
year
gap
there
where
no
fundings
were
available.
K
This
is
the
projected
abouts
that
they
think
they
will
be
submitting
requested
to
complete
their
next
phase
of
their
202
projects
over
the
next
fiscal
year.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
We
currently
have.
It
seems
like
six
million
in
bond
funds
and
you're
requesting
general
funds,
six
million
for
the
next
several
biennius,
so
that
would
just
be
building
on
what
we
just
did,
except
for
general
funds
versus
bonds.
Is
that
an
accurate
statement.
A
Funds,
the
the
impact
on
the
general
fund
was
really
more
of
the
debt
service
portion
of
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
any
other
members
have
questions.
A
Sean
bowen,
it's
a
great
did
you
send
it
today
or
a
different
day
today
today,
okay,
we'll
check
on
that,
get
that
distributed
to
members.
Anything
else
all
right.
Thank
you
all.
So
much
as
a
reminder.
I'm
going
to
have
staff
go
over
this
a
little
bit
more,
but
we
have
these
sheets
that
are
going
to
be
distributed
with
an
overview,
every
single
project
in
these
different
categories
that
we've
looked
at
the
last.
A
You
know
four
meetings
and
we're
going
to
end
up
basically
taking
a
vote
on
key
things
that
need
to
be
prioritized
in
the
next
budget,
and
so
because
these
priorities,
we
haven't,
had
a
time
to
interact
with
each
other
and
in
the
past
these
have
been
done
more
secretly.
A
I
I
think
it's
important
that
we
offer
to
the
public
an
explanation
for
what
we're
thinking
when
we
make
decisions,
why
we're
thinking
it,
and
certainly
members,
don't
have
to
divulge
every
vote
that
they're
taking
if
they
don't
want
to,
but
I
do
want
to
open
it
up
next
meeting
we'll
have
our
meeting
be
a
time
for
us
to
discuss
so
when
staff
sends
this
out.
I
want
to
ask
all
of
our
members
to
kind
of
pick
out
what
you
think
where
you
might
be
leaning.
A
A
F
So
part
of
the
planning
process
also
involves
selecting
projects
that
the
members
would
like
to
see
highlighted
in
a
separate
section
of
the
capital
plan
for
funding
consideration
by
the
general
assembly.
So
what
the
projects
are
for
the
first
biennium
of
the
planning
period
and
they
encompass
state
general
fund
projects.
Only
what
we've
done
is.
We
have
sorted
all
the
projects
in
three
separate
categories.
F
F
So
after
today's
meeting
we
will
make
sure
to
mail
you
the
worksheets,
to
complete
your
selections,
we'll
send
you
the
instructions
for
completing
the
selections
and
we'll
also
send
you
a
link
to
the
project
listings.
So
if
you
want
to
go
back
and
refer
to
the
listings
online,
because
there's
so
many
projects
to
choose
from
you
have
the
option
to
do
that
too.
A
Thank
you.
So
our
next
meeting
will
be
september.
15Th
1
p.m
here
again,
and
we
will
use
that
time
to
review
our
preliminary
selections
for
key
items
to
highlight
in
this
plan
co-chair
cool
and
I
have
had
a
few
discussions,
but
obviously
in
light
of
the
fact
that
most
of
our
members
are
on
zoom.
We
wanted
to
have
that
discussion
with
all
of
our
members
together,
and
so
we
will
have
that
discussion
in
open
forum
september,
15th
1pm.