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A
All
right,
seeing
that
we
have
a
quorum
I,
believe
we
do
now
I'll
entertain
that
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
motion
made.
Is
there
a
second
second?
Thank
you,
any
questions,
errors,
Corrections
or
anything
in
the
minutes.
We
need.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes.
Please
vote
by
saying
aye
aye.
A
Minutes
are
approved.
Okay,
we
do
have,
as
always
agency
updates
on
the
agenda.
I
want
to
point
you
all
to
aoc's
report
in
there,
and
then
members
should
have
now
some
Staffing
information
from
the
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice,
which
was
distributed
I
think
just
moments
ago.
A
I
know
you
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
seeing
that
in
advance,
but
I'd
ask
you
to
take
that
with
you
and
take
a
look
at
that.
Commissioner,
thank
you
all
for
preparing
some
numbers
for
us
to
distribute
there.
Do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
to
the
to
the
written
report
that
or
written
documentation
you
all
have
submitted
okay,
any
okay.
A
Anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
anything
that
that's
been
distributed
here
more
on
asc's
report
or
anybody
else.
A
E
If
we're
building
so
but
over
overall
things
are
much
better.
Campbell
area
in
the
northern
Kentucky
continues
to
be
the
biggest
challenge.
A
H
Start
at
the
top
I
I
think
in
last
October
with
some
internal
resources,
we
created
a
locality
premium
that
did
not
apply
evenly
across
the
detention
facilities,
but
when
the
governor
announced
the
fifty
thousand
dollar
roughly
starting
pay,
the
legislature
supported
that
with
new
money
that
differential
went
away
and
I
think
if
the
detention
facilities
now
all
of
the
the
starting
place,
the
same
set
your
understanding.
I
H
H
H
Yeah,
you
know,
that's
that's
one
of
my
many
failures.
The
the
truth
is
that
every
labor
market
is
different.
You
know,
I
mean
even
Paducah
and
Bowling
Green
are
different
down
in
our
part
of
the
state,
so
I
I
think
we've.
We've
got
to
have
a
serious
look
at
what
will
staff
Campbell
and
really
also
Jefferson,
because
we
know
that
we'll
have
coming
online
as
soon
as
the
design
and
construction
is
finished.
H
The
the
redesigned
downtown
facility
in
Jefferson
that
will
require
way
under
more
staff
than
we
have
in
Jefferson
now
so
in
in
the
urban
areas,
are
just
the
labor
markets
are
different,
so
that's
going
to
have
to
require
a
lot
of
study
and
I
hope
collaboration
between
so
between
the
our
branch
and
the
general
assembly.
I
H
Know
Senator
and
I'm
I
think
money
is
always
a
major
major
component.
It's
not
the
only
component
but
I.
Think
money
is
the
biggest
component
I
think
if
you
can
attract
the
staff
with
the
right
staff
with
money.
Of
course,
you've
got
to
have
good
working
conditions
and
good
leadership
and
we've
had
some
struggles
in
that
area
as
as
well.
But
if
the
the
money
to
me
is
the
Baseline
Factor,
if
we're
just
not
competitive
with
the
market
for
labor
in
any
wherever
the
location,
is
you
just
never
get
a
chance?
H
B
H
So
I've
lived
with
this
a
little
while
the
other
thing
that
happens
is
when
you're
kind
of
not
in
the
market
on
compensation.
You
sometimes
you
can
hire
staff,
but
you
can't
keep
them
and-
and
it
is
in
this
business,
an
inexperienced
staff
is
treacherous
in
a
lot
of
ways,
you're
on
your
own
thin
ice
when
nobody
in
the
facility
has
experience.
I
Just
one
one
other
question,
and
this
this
is
an
off-the-wall
question
and
I.
Don't
remember
where
I
read
this
and
and
for
me
this
is
kind
of
not
really
in
keeping
what
my
general
philosophy
is,
but
I
read
where
there
are
juvenile
facilities
that
are
are
using
having
using
staff
that
have
been
through
the
system
before
but
straightened
their
life
up
and
have
been
successful
and
using
them
in
facilities
like
this
and
acting.
I
You
know
as
as
youth
workers
or
guards,
but
also
serve
as
mentors
because
they've
been
through
the
system
and
I
know
that
would
require
loosening
up
some
basic
requirements
to
fill
those
positions
and
and
again
that's
against
my
overall
philosophy.
But
I
could
see
some
Merit
to
that
in
filling
some
of
those
positions
and
really
having
staff
that
could
make
a
difference
in
some
of
these
kids
lives.
E
I
was
just
going
to
say
actually
for
some
of
those
youth.
It's
not
a
matter
of
any
background
changes
because
it's
sealed
at
18,
so
if
they
did,
if
they
weren't
tried
as
a
youthful
offender,
then
when
we
do
a
background
check,
the
juvenile
stuff
is
not
going
to
show
up
and
I
will
say,
we
do
have
some
staff
that
we
have.
One
of
the
interesting
is
not
just
in
the
facility,
but
also
in
the
community,
and
we've
had
one
in
which
the
supervisor
of
that
Community
office
and
one
of
the
workers
he
used.
E
A
Thank
you
Senator
one
last
question,
commissioner,
before
we
move
on
to
the
alternatives
to
attention
just
on
Staffing,
and
your
HR
folks
told
us
last
month
that
you
know
you're
you're
doing
a
shotgun
approach.
That's
my
word,
but
you
are
doing
a
lot
of
different
things.
To
try
to
bring
in
staff
are.
Are
there
anything
fares,
ads
efforts
that
you
could
say
that's
happening
in
the
next
30
to
60
days.
E
Mean
well,
that's
just
continual
I
mean
now.
You
know
for
so
many
years,
including
my
first
stint
with
DJJ
and
then
I
was
gone
and
came
back.
You
know
we,
we
never
had
a
recruiter.
We
had
our
first
full-time
recruiter
just
in
the
last
year
and
so
that
person
Works
full-time
on
that
and
she's
done.
I
think
a
really
good
job.
E
With
Justice
and
then
Felicia
Jewett
was
with
with
with
us,
so
they
and
they
do
work
hand
in
hand.
So
it's
ongoing
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
all
follow
our
Facebook
and
social
media
I.
E
Okay,
well,
it's
on
there
all
the
time
you
know
we
have
one
right
now,
for
you
know,
be
a
culinary
instructor
at
Morehead,
because
we
need
that
provoke
rehab,
be
a
correctional
officer
of
psychologist
nurse
fairs,
as
I
mean
it's
an
ongoing
thing.
We
haven't
stopped
and
we
do
Target
more.
So
the
special
areas,
as
we've
developed
like
right
now
in
Boyd
and
some
other
areas
like
that
we
had
like
I,
think
something
like
64
people
on
the
register.
So
those
areas
are
no
longer
as
needed
and.
D
E
J
Elliott,
thank
you
Mr,
chairman
and
I'm,
not
sure
who
would
want
to
address
this
question,
but
I
noticed
190
vacancies
are
those
concentrated
in
one
or
two
of
these
facilities
widespread.
You
know
the
the
data
doesn't
show
us
where
the
vacancies
are
in
each
of
these.
Each
of
these
places
so
is
one
more
critical
than
the
other,
or
is
it
just
a
widespread
issue.
H
There
are
I
think
there
are
vacancies
everywhere,
but
I
would
say
and
just
to
make
sure
we,
the
data
is
properly
interpreted,
I
believe
that
that's
a
little
bit
artificially
High,
because
and
again
we
so
appreciated
this
help
from
the
general
assembly.
In
the
last
session
you
all
created-
and
it
was
roughly
140
new
correctional
officer
positions
and
funded
those
starting
July
1st.
So
we
were
only
able
to
start
hiring
those
positions
on
July
1st
so
that
those
new
positions
I'm
sure
count
for
a
lot
of
the
vacancies.
H
J
A
K
Well,
I'm
going
to
try
to
tell
you
as
much
as
I
I
can
today
I
want
to
start
with
the
history
of
the
alternatives
to
detention,
so
that
you
all
can
see
how
long
we've
been
doing
this
in
1996,
when
House
Bill
117
was
created
and
or
approved
and
DJJ
was
created.
They
also
implemented
alternative
to
detention
programs
in
each
of
the
catchment
areas,
as
they
were
coming
online
soon.
After
that
they
started
hiring.
We
started
hiring
the
detention
alternative
coordinators,
which
are
the
docs.
K
Those
are
the
workers
for
the
Alternatives,
even
in
the
communities,
when
we
knew
that
detention
centers
were
coming
online
to
go
ahead
and
start
the
alternative
sooner
so
I
started
in
2000
and
at
that
time
I
think
we
only
had
about
five
detention,
alternative
workers,
because
we
were
still
building
in
the
detention
centers.
Now,
when
we're
fully
staffed,
we
have
17
detention,
alternative
coordinators,
they're
in
every
catchment
area,
which
means
we
cover
all
120
counties.
K
There
are
some
dacs
that
cover
up
to
17
counties,
so
it
gets
really
fun
and
creative
to
figure
out
how
they're
going
to
do
all
of
that
which
we
cover
every
County.
Every
county
is
offered
the
same
programs
and
we
will
have
three
supervisors
and
17
decks
when
fully
staffed.
K
The
judges
have
always
been
really
receptive
to
this
program.
They
see
it
as
a
a
win-win
for
the
courts,
because
the
court
knows
that
the
youth
is
going
to
be
supervised
and
they're,
not
necessarily
going
to
be
supervised
in
detention.
K
In
fact,
I
was
in
a
meeting
with
one
of
the
judges.
They're
still
asking
you
know:
do
you
all
have
more
programs
come
in
online?
We
really
like
to
use
this
program.
K
I
was
in
a
meeting
with
a
judge
two
days
ago
and
she
was
raving
about
her
her
particular
worker
in
her
area
and
the
fact
that
she's
always
able
to
get
access
to
the
Alternatives
when
she
needs
them.
So
with
that
said,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
go
over
the
Powerpoint.
If
I
can
get
this
to
work,
the
alternatives
to
detention,
we
call
them
ATD
for
short,
so
it's
not
such
a
mouthful.
K
K
I
know
I
apologize,
the
alternatives
are
short-term,
less
restrictive
programs
than
detention.
We
try
to
keep
the
kids
no
longer
than
30
to
45
days.
However,
it
is
up
to
the
judge
and
if
their
cases
are
disposed
in
court,
these
placements
are
generally
pre-adjudicative
placements
and
we
do
have
some
in
the
home.
We
have
Alternatives.
A
A
K
K
We
do
have
some
that
are
committed
to
dcbs
or
DJJ
that
are
in
our
out
of
home
placements
gotcha,
but
generally
they're
pre-aging
home
incarceration
is
the
most
popular
alternative
to
detention
that
allows
the
youth
to
stay
in
the
community,
either
with
their
parent
or
another
Guardian
they're
on
an
electronic
angle
bracelet
and
it
is
GPS,
so
they
know
in
real
time
where
the
kids
are
and
what's
going
on
with
that,
the
home
supervision
program
is
also
a
form
of
Home
incarceration,
but
that
is
without
the
equipment.
So
they
don't
have
a
monitor.
K
They
have
a
curfew.
The
parents
have
to
know
where
they
are
at
all
times
and
with
both
of
those.
We
have
case
managers
that
we
contract
with
through
the
Methodist
home
and
through
Necco
and
Associates,
and
those
case
managers
go
to
the
home
and
do
home
visits
at
least
once
weekly.
If
the
youth
is
having
problems,
they
go
more
than
once
and
they
make
daily
phone
calls
to
the
youth
and
the
family
to
see
if
there's
any
issues
any
problems
or
if
they
need
any
help
getting
resources.
K
We
have
three
of
our
own
placements
out
of
home.
We
use
DJJ,
Frankfurt
group,
home
Moorhead,
alternative
program
and
the
one
that's
not
on
here
is
Frenchburg
group
home.
It's
a
new
group
home
that
came
online
to
do
specific
alternatives
to
detention
and
when
they
go
to
those
programs,
they
get
the
same
services
that
they
would
in
a
normal
group
home
but
they're
out
of
the
home.
The
courts
really
like
these
options.
K
Some
of
two
of
them,
the
Frankfurt
Group
Home
in
Frenchburg,
their
youth,
go
to
the
alternative
schools
in
the
county
and
then
Morehead
alternative
program.
They
have
two
sides:
they
have
the
YDC
Side
Youth
Development
Center
side,
and
then
they
have
the
alternative
side
and
all
three
of
those
hold
eight
youth
at
a
time.
So,
what's.
A
K
We
also
use
foster
care,
we
do
contract
with
saffy
and
with
Necco
and
Associates
and
the
foster
homes.
The
youth
goes
to
the
home.
They
have
a
case
manager
through
that
foster
care
agency
that
meets
with
the
youth,
weekly
and
works
with
the
home.
Those
youth
are
enrolled
in
the
county.
Schools
where
they
reside
can.
K
B
K
Not
sure
how
to
say
what
we're
saying
yeah,
but
those
foster
parents
integrate
the
youth
into
their
home,
they
go
to
school
there
they
go
with
the
foster
parents,
they
have
the
case
manager
that
goes
in
once
once
a
week,
private
child
care
facilities
we
use
Gateway.
K
Sometimes
we
use
Otter
Creek
for
the
girls
and
the
when
the
child
goes
to
those
private
Child,
Care
Facilities.
They
just
do
the
same
program
that
all
the
kids
are
doing,
so
they
just
integrate
the
youth
into
every
program.
We
have
several
Community
programs
that
are
coming
online.
This
year
we
have
mentoring
programs
through
several
different
agencies,
and
we
have
evening
reporting
centers
and
the
evening
reporting
centers
are
where
the
youth
go
from
a
certain
time
of
day
from
say
three
to
seven
or
four
to
seven
and
they
receive
psycho-educational
programs.
K
They
get
help
with
tutoring.
They
do
all
kinds
of
different
depending
on
the
center.
They
do
different
programs
with
the
youth
and
those
are
the
hours
when
youth
are
more
likely
to
be
home
alone
in
committing
offenses,
so
they
provide
transportation.
They
provide
meals.
If
there's
other
resources
that
they
need,
then
they
they
help
the
youth
get
those
and
then
the
in-home
wrap
around
programs
are
in-home
therapy
programs.
K
K
The
goals
of
the
alternative
program,
this
these
are
federal
definitions,
but
the
goals
are
to
divert
the
youth
from
secured
attention
who
can
safely
remain
in
the
community
in
order
to
serve
them
more
appropriately
and
ensure
that
detention
beds
are
for
the
offenders.
Who
present
the
public
safety
issues,
and
then
we
have
alternatives
for
those
who
are
less,
who
need
a
less
restrictive
environment.
It
keeps
the
youth
and
the
community
safe.
K
We
want
these
youth
to
be
successful,
so
we
help
them
and
provide
whatever
they
need
that
we
can
provide,
while
they're
in
our
our
care
and
to
ensure
that
the
youth
returns
to
the
next
court
appearance,
because
sometimes
they
may
not
have
a
way.
Sometimes
they
forget,
when
their
court
is
they're
confused,
they
don't
know
how
to
navigate
the
system,
and
so
our
detention,
alternative
coordinators
I'm
going
to
call
them
Dax
for
short,
because
that's
a
mouthful
they're
continually
monitoring
the
youth
and
working
with
them.
K
If
the
youth
doesn't
have
a
way
to
court,
then
they
work
to
try
to
help
them
find
a
way.
They're
they're,
amazing.
The
the
services
that
can
be
provided
for
the
Youth
in
the
home
are
are
very
good.
So
the
detention
alternative
coordinator
is
a
DJJ
employee,
who's
assigned
to
a
certain
catchment
area.
K
It
gets.
It
gets
a
little
confusing
because
the
actual
detention
counties
are
not
necessarily
the
Dax
counties.
They
work
in
that
geographical
area
and
provide
services
to
all
120
counties.
They
use
any
array
of
programs
If.
The
child
is
at
home
on
home
incarceration,
but
they
need
a
different
program
to
go
along
with
that.
If
they
need
to
go
the
evening
Reporting
Center,
then
we
make
a
referral
to
that.
If
they
need
therapy,
we
make
a
referral
to
that.
K
K
You
please
no
you're
fine.
They
also
help
to
expedite
cases
by
monitoring
the
length
of
stay
of
Youth
that
are
in
detention.
So
one
of
the
jobs
of
the
DAC
is
to
check
the
booking
program
daily,
and
then
they
look
at
kids
when
they've
come
in
when
their
detention
hearings
are.
If
a
youth
comes
in-
and
the
judge
says
well
your
hearing's
in
three
weeks
and
then
we
may
try
to
work
with
the
courts
and
the
attorneys
to
get
that
use
hearing
moved
up.
K
K
If
you
need
me
to,
but
they
make
sure
that
those
youth
are
out
and
have
their
hearings
when
they're
supposed
to
have
their
hearings
and
if
they
need
a
different
placement,
sometimes
a
youth
may
be
in
and
they
say:
well
they
you
know
the
doc,
might
talk
to
them
and
see
that
they
need
a
mental
health
assessment.
So
we
work
with
the
courts
to
get
them
a
mental
health.
A
K
The
child
any
person
that
the
child
is
involved
with,
then
the
the
DAC
isn't
in
communication
with
them.
So
if
they're
in
therapy-
yes,
if
they're
still
doing
a
diversion,
yes,
but
our
kids
have
normally
been
into
the
court
room.
So
if
they're
in
front
of
the
judge
in
the
courtroom
is
when
we
come
into
play
so
the
the
cdws,
if
they
have
kids
that
are
also
doing
diversions,
then
yes,
we
communicate
with
them,
but.
A
Does
the
debt,
even
even
if
the
fair
team
process
happened
before
previously,
because
now
that
the
child's
now
in
front
of
the
court,
whereas
with
the
fair
team
they
weren't,
is
the
is
the
DAC
looking
at
what
the
fair
team
or
Consulting,
with
what
the
fair
team's
already
tried,
or
maybe
tried
and
unsuccessfully
tried
with
a
a
kid?
Yes,.
K
K
D
A
Typically,
it's
not
great,
not
in
Kentucky
and
I'm,
not
just
saying
with
the
coordinator
I'm
just
saying
in
Juvenile
Justice
matters
generally,
we
see
a
lot
of
issues
where
parents
aren't
involved.
That's
not
the
case
in
every
case.
Obviously
this
case,
and
it's
often
enough
to
be
a
problem
and
a
concern,
and
not
just
in
Kentucky
I,
certainly
don't
want
you
I,
wouldn't
want
any
part
of
state
government
relying
solely
on
what
a
parent
is
telling.
You
has
happened
or
needs
to
happen
or
what
have.
K
You
yeah
yes,
and
we
don't
rely
solely
on
the
parent,
but
the
parent
might
say
hey.
They
were
in
with
the
CDW
doing
this
or
they
have
another
appointment
and
then
the
doc
gets
their
cases.
It
gets
their
prior
history
record,
they
have
access
to
courtnet
and
they
go
in
and
pull
the
record.
So
if
they
need
to
talk
to
somebody.
A
K
So
there's
two
ways
that
the
child
can
enter,
that
a
youth
can
enter
an
alternative
to
detention
when
the
court
designated
worker
is
called
out
and
the
child
is
in
custody
with
the
police,
then
the
CDW
can
call
the
detention
alternative
coordinator
and
say
this
is
the
youth.
These
are
the
charges.
Are
there
any
alternatives
available?
We
do
have
some
Alternatives
available
at
the
front
end.
One
of
those
is
the
YMCA
safe
place.
They
take
youth
from
around
the
state
and
then
the
foster
care
option
is
there.
K
K
The
other
option
for
that
placement
is
the
judge,
may
say:
well
we're
going
to
send
the
kid
there
for
two
days
to
give
Mom
respite
and
allow
mom
to
pick
him
up.
So
in
that
case
we
also
offer
that
as
a
pre-detension
process
as
we
work
with
the
cdws,
the
other
process
is
just
simply
the
youth
is
in
court
in
front
of
the
judge
and
look,
and
there
may
be
a
possibility.
This
youth
is
going
to
have
to
go
to
secure
detention.
The
DAC
is
there
to
speak
up
and
say
your
honor.
K
K
So
sometimes
they'll
just
look
at
us
and
say:
hey:
can
he
go
to
Frenchburg
or
can
you
you
know,
put
this
kid
in
an
evening,
a
Reporting
Center
for
the
next
two
weeks
and
get
the
service
for
services
for
that
the
DAC
is
there
to
provide
any
of
that
that
they
need
once
we
complete
the
placement
tool
and
talk
to
the
youth
and
talk
to
the
guardian
or
the
parent,
then
the
youth
is
approved
for
the
placement.
K
We
notify
the
court
and
all
interested
parties.
So
if
the
youth
has
a
social
worker,
then
we
let
the
social
worker
know
we
let
the
youth
attorney
know
if
they're
still
doing
diversion
for
another
case
they
let
the
CDW
know
so.
Everybody
knows
where
the
youth
is
and
then
the
DAC
monitors
that
placement
we
get
weekly
reports
from
the
providers
to.
Let
us
know
how
the
youth
is
doing.
K
If
they're
in
an
out
of
home
placement,
we
can
set
up
a
virtual
meeting
or
they
can
go
to
the
out
of
home
placement
and
have
a
meeting
with
the
staff
and
the
youth
and
then,
if
there's
any
violations,
if
there's
any
awols
or
if
the
child
does
receive
new
charges
that
occurred
after
being
in
the
placement,
then
we
work
with
the
court
and
see
if
the
judge
wants
the
youth
return
to
detention
or
if
we
can
just
do
sanctions
with
the
youth
which
is
moving
up
and
giving
consequences.
Basically,
I.
G
C
Just
so
I'm
clear,
the
whole
DAC
that
you've
been
talking
about
is
pre-adjudication.
It's.
C
K
K
Are
very
few
that
are
serving
days
if
they
are
serving
days
they're,
usually
in
an
out
of
home
placement,
because
the
judges
ordered
them
to
serve
time
and
detention
and
the
doc
will
say
hey.
Can
we
put
this
kid
say
it
Frankfurt
group,
home
or
Gateway,
and
let
them
serve
their
days
there.
Most
of
them
have
not
been
adjudicated.
K
C
K
C
K
Placement,
yes,
sir,
for
the
home
incarceration,
is
that
okay,
okay
for
the
home
incarceration
programs,
it's
50
a
day
and
DJJ
pays
that
through
our
general
dollars
for
our
facility
placements,
there
is
no
charge
because
those
are
already
DJJ
facilities,
so
we're
already
paying
the
staff
for
any
other
private
child
care
or
foster
home
placements.
K
K
I
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
back
during
our
working
group
on
DJJ,
there
was
a
judge
from
Jefferson
County
that
testified
and
it
she
spoke
about
some
of
some
of
this.
These
types
of
programs
and
and
she
talked
about
the
need
to
have
more
options
to
detention
in
in
Jefferson
County.
Is
it
just
a
matter
of
volume
that
there
aren't
enough
programs
like
you've
mentioned?
Are
they
just
not
set
up
there
or
are
in
representative
bratcher?
K
We
are
at
the
mercy
of
whether
there's
a
bed
available
at
the
facility
as
to
when
we
can
place
a
youth.
We
do
have
referral
lists.
So
if
the
child
is
referred
to
the
program,
then,
if
the
child,
you
know,
is
still
in
detention,
when
there's
an
opening,
then
we
look
to
move
those
youth
for
home
incarceration.
That
program
is
available.
There
is
no
cut
off
on
that
program,
so
there
could
be
multiple
youth
in
that
for
the
community
programs
again
we're
at
we're
just
at
the
mercy
of
if
they
have
availability.
K
You
know
the
evening
reporting
centers
I
believe
can
hold
up
to
20
kids.
So
if
those
are
available,
then
we
use
those.
We
make
referrals
to
in-home
therapy,
which
is
also
an
alternative
for
the
Youth
and
then,
as
they
have
a
space,
then
they
work
with
the
youth,
but
Jefferson
County
is
very
busy,
and
you
know
it's
just
a
matter
of.
If
there's
an
opening
for
the
youth
to
go
into.
C
Yeah,
if
I
could
jump
in
What
Senator
Carol
was
discussing,
the
judge
was
I
believe
in
representative
Heron
could
add
to
this
too
hey
to
hijack
your
your
committee
here
chairman,
but
it
is
important
that
she
she
was
saying
that
the
facilities
were
so
bad.
She
didn't
want
to
send
them
to
the
facilities
and
that
there
just
wasn't
enough
of
of
your
program
and
she
just
felt
like
sending
them
home
with
their
parents,
even
if
their
parents
didn't
want
them
to
come
back
with.
C
It
was
really
a
mess
is
I,
guess
I
could
just
say,
and
so
and
I'm
not
no
I'm,
not
blaming
you
I'm
just
saying
that
that's
some
of
the
things
we
were
dealing
with
you
know.
K
Yes,
sir,
and
there
I
can't
speak
to
what
the
exact
problem
is
and
why
they're
not
getting
in
the
Alternatives
it
could
be.
You
know.
Basically,
a
space
issue
is
the
biggest
problem
of
getting
kids
in
if
they're
full,
then
we
have
to
wait
till
there's
an
opening,
but
I
don't
know.
I
can't
speak
to
the
other
reasons
in
Jefferson.
County
I
just
know
that
these
programs
are
available.
K
Oh
our
Dax
yeah,
oh
yes,
sir
they're
doing
an
amazing
job.
We
started
when
we
took
over
in
Louisville
for
the
Detention
Center.
We
had
one
detention,
alternative
coordinator
covering
the
whole
County
and
me
and
then
we're
slowly
building
it
up
as
we
hire
people
in
we
have
grown
to
a
an
almost
we
have
four
we've
got
two
more
that
are
being
hired
and
we're
hiring
a
supervisor
for
that
area.
E
So
all
of
the
ones
that
are
now
DJJ
have
come
on
in
the
last
two
years
and
we
converted
some
of
our
facilities
over
because
we
were
not
able
to
access
those
private
providers
like
we
did,
and
so
you
know
we
we
have
a
goodly
number
of
beds
compared
to
what
we
used
to
I
think
everybody
agrees.
It
would
be
nice
that
if
we
could
have
more
we're
to
the
point
now
with
our
bed
space,
we
really
can't
convert
any
others
of
our
post-dispositional
programs
over
to
atds,
but
with
the.
E
C
E
Home
for
Children
Methodist,
home
zap,
sappy,
which
we
can
specialize
alternatives
for
Youth
and
families,
and
now
that
we
know
that's
what
that
is,
and
then
you
know
there's
several
all
through
the
statement:
Mary
Hearst
and
oh
gosh
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
all
the
you
know:
CBS
dcbs
uses
those.
You
know
that
in
acronym
right
they
use
us
as
well.
So
and
that's
part
of
it
too.
It's
not.
L
Thank
you
and
thank
you
all
for
this
presentation
so
far,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
requests.
Then
question
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
get
actually
the
list
of
organizations
and
placements
that
are
used
specifically
for
Jefferson
County.
L
From
my
experience
of
working
on
the
ground
and
being
in
meetings,
I
think
that
folks
have
an
idea
that
there's
a
lot
of
resources
in
Jefferson
County,
which
there
are.
But
when
we
talk
about
this
population
of
young
people,
there's
not
as
many
as
we
think
that
they
are,
and
so
I
think
that
if
we
are
able
to
get
a
list
and
see
like
exactly
where
those
kids
are
being
able
to
be
referred
to,
then
it'll
give
everyone
a
better
idea
of
what
that
process
looks
like.
L
And
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
around
funding
and
I
would
like
to
know
and
understand
better
of
how
much
money
are
we
using
Statewide
on
alternatives
to
detention
and
if
we
could
get
that
broken
down?
L
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
do
the
top
five
counties
where
the
largest
population
of
our
youth
are
coming
from,
that
make
up
the
DJJ
population,
but
I
think
we
need
to
also
have
an
understanding
of
of
how
funding
is
being
utilized
for
Alternatives
and
other
things.
So
we
can
have
understanding
if
we
need
to
be
putting
more
money
into
those
things,
because
I
don't
know
that
that
we
know
that
if
that
makes
sense.
K
Absolute
sense,
I
will
speak
with
our
fiscal
people
and
get
the
number
how
much
we've
been
spending
on
atds.
It
is
an
exorbitant
amount,
but
I
will
get
that
number
and
send
that
when
I
send
the
number
of
kids
returned
for
secured
attention.
A
K
With
me
in
case,
he
wanted
to
know
them
so
combined
public
and
Status
offenses
from
January
1
of
this
year.
Until
August
of
this
year
we
have
already
served
726
youth.
K
K
The
public
offenses
were
686
cases
and
the
status
were
40.
and
of
the
ones
that
have
been
closed.
I
do
actually
have
a
percentage
based
on
the
523
cases
that
have
been
closed
this
year
we
have
I,
don't
have
the
exact
number,
but
we
have
an
83
success
rate
and
a
17
percent
unsuccessful
rate,
which
means
those
youth
have
been
returned
to
secured
attention.
Okay.
A
And
do
you
have
I
mean
is:
is
your
ATD
program
available
in
every
County
every
and
do
you
find
all
courts
utilize?
It.
K
Not
every
Court
utilizes
them
as
much
because
they
don't
have
as
many
youth
in
front
of
them,
but
when
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
of
courts
that
use
them.
I
know
it's
available
in
all
120
counties,
and
here
recently
I've
been
here
in
the
name
of
a
couple
counties
that
haven't
in
the
past
used
atds
but
they're
using
them
now
so
I
think
it
just
depends
on
their
population.
If.
A
E
I
will
check
in
we'll
see
what
we
can
come
up
with
that
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure,
I,
think
what
she's
saying
is
we
if
we
know
which
ones
you
know
are
not
at
the,
but
we
can.
We
can
look
I,
think
and
break
it
out
by
County.
Those
that
have
historically
I'll
just
tell
you
that
this
is
very
popular
by
most
judges,
but
there
are
a
few
judges
and
judges
have
their
own
mindsets
on
things
that
have
before
said.
E
A
A
K
A
E
The
one
other
thing,
I'll
just
say
was
because
I
was
around
when
we
first
started
these
in
my
first
stint,
and
it
was
really
an
interesting
thing
because
when
it
first
came
up,
it
was
kind
of
like
well
I.
Don't
think
I
want
to
do
that.
You
know
it's
like
detention,
and
that
was
it,
but
once
once
we
got
them
out
there
and
started
to
use
them,
they
did
they.
They
saw
the
value
of
it.
E
It
became
extremely
popular
with
most
of
the
judges
and
and,
as
you
were
saying,
was
especially
in
Jefferson
and
some
of
the
others.
They
really
you
know
and
honestly,
the
home
incarceration
is
the
most
used
and
most
popular,
but
for
a
lot
of
the
kids.
The
ability
to
get
them
out
of
the
home
for
a
period
of
time
is
useful.
I
mean
we
do
have
some
kids
that
they're
not
going
home
because
they
have
no
home
to
go
back
to,
or
maybe
they
were
dcbs
youth.
E
They
were
in
a
foster
home,
the
foster
home
said
no,
they
got
arrested,
I,
don't
want
them
back,
and
so
you
hate
to
punish
child
welfare
kid
by
placing
them
into
detention
because
he
doesn't
have
a
family,
so
there's
many
different,
so
they
started
seeing
the
value
of
this
and
I
I
do
think
it's
mostly
very
popular
with
most
of
the
judges.
But
your
question
is
very
interesting
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
too
so
I.
A
I've
I
see
it
as
sort
of
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
us
in
the
criminal
justice.
Space
have
talked
about
the
the
sequential
intercept
model
and
thinking
about
intervening
at
different
stages
of
the
proceeding
and
if
Senate
Bill
200
is
aimed
at
getting
diversion
before
there's
a
court
process
I
like
the
idea
of
there
still
being
another
safety
valve
to
stop
short
of
Woe
before
you
send
them
to
detention.
A
K
As
far
as
case
management,
like
I,
said
earlier,
we
contract
with
Methodist
home
and
Neko
to
provide
in-home
services
for
the
Youth,
and
those
are
the
youth
that
are
on
home
incarceration,
so
those
managers
and
if
we
have
a
foster,
a
youth
in
foster
care
or
a
private
Child
Care
Facility.
Those
staff
are
the
first
line
of
contact
for
our
kids
because
they
are
working
daily
with
the
youth.
K
However,
the
docs
are
on
call
24
7
to
take
calls
for
any
problem
with
their
youth
any
concern.
If
there's
an
injury
or
an
illness
that
the
youth
needs
to
go.
You
know,
we've
had
some
on
home
incarceration,
the
mom
will
call
and
say
he's
sick
I
think
he
has
strep
throat
we're
going
to
the
emergency
room.
Okay.
Well,
please
take
your
child
to
the
emergency
room
and
those
are
things
that
we
can
work
around,
but
they
are
on
call
to
provide
the
case
management
if
necessary,
they
can
do
home
and
school
visits.
K
I
can't
even
count
the
number
of
times
that
I've
done
a
home
visit
or
a
school
visit
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
because
the
kid
didn't
go
to
school
and
I'm,
showing
up
at
the
house
saying
hey.
Why
aren't
you
in
school?
You
know,
and
it
could
be
something
oh
we're
sick.
They
didn't
call
in
a
lot
of
our
job
is
educating
the
family
also
in
a
lot
of
different
ways,
because
the
parents
struggle
sometimes
with
those
youth
they
can
communicate
with
the
youth
and
the
family
via
phone
call.
K
Sometimes
they
do
face
time.
I
know
when
covered
was
going
on.
We
did
a
lot
of
face
timing
with
the
kids
and
a
lot
of
you
know,
sitting
across
the
street
waving
at
the
kid
at
their
house,
talking
to
them,
they're
encouraged
to
assist
in
making
any
Community
referrals.
We've
had
some
families
who
needed
help
with
food,
and
so
the
DAC
has
met
with
them
and
worked
with
them
to
get
food
stamps
or
you
know
they
need
a
Medicaid
card.
K
We
work
with
them
to
get
that
a
lot
of
times
we're
sitting
with
them
on
the
phone
navigating
how
to
get
their
child
into
a
Counseling
Center,
because
they
don't
know
the
answers
and
they
get
frustrated
and
then
they
just
don't
communicate
with
them.
So
those
are
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
do.
We've
helped
families
get
the
free
phones,
we've
help
them
get
fans
and
and
air
conditioning
and
those
kinds
of
things
written.
The
the
people
that
are
over
the.
K
The
housing
department-
that's
the
word,
I-
was
thinking
of
written
them
because
they're
living
in
deplorable
conditions,
which
they've
reported
to
their
landlord.
So
they
do
a
lot
of
assisting
the
families
working
with
the
families,
while
also
making
sure
the
youth
is
held
accountable
at
that
time,
foreign
to
determine
the
appropriate
placement.
K
Just
to
preface
that
the
judge
is
the
one
who
makes
the
actual
decision,
we
can
recommend
that
the
youth
goes
somewhere,
but
the
judge
is
the
ultimate
deciding
factor.
We
do
have
a
tool
that
we
use
that
helps
us
Place,
based
on
the
youths
current
charge
past
12-month
history,
aggravating
factors,
mitigating
factors
we
go
over
that
and
that
helps
to
recommend
a
level
of
placement.
But
the
judge
is
the
one
who
determines
the
actual
placement
of
the
youth
home
and
card
they're
they're
based
on
different
levels.
K
Of
course,
home
incarceration
is
the
lowest
level,
but
we
have
youth
on
all
different
levels
in
every
facility
or
program
based
on
the
fact
that
some
youth,
just
don't,
have
places
to
go,
and
we
also
conduct
a
human
trafficking
screen
on
youth
going
into
our
programs,
and
we
have.
K
We
have
had
a
couple
who
we
have
had
to
turn
into
dcbs,
not
a
huge
amount
that
I
can
think
of,
but
human
trafficking
screen
is
conducted
on
each
youth
before
we
put
them
in
the
placement.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
send
them
to
somebody
or
somewhere
to
live
with
that
kind
of
trauma.
So
we
make
referrals.
If
that
is
an
issue,
is.
A
A
One
question:
okay:
I'll,
add
you
to
the
list
here
before
I
turn
to
Steve
gold?
Is
there,
did
you
tell
me,
did
you
say
how
many
you've
got
coordinators
you've
got
in
the
state.
K
We
have
currently
13
okay
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
hiring
we've
had
a
couple,
a
few
that
have
retired
and
we're
adding
more
staff
to
the
Louisville
area.
So
we
should
have
17
in
DAC
coordinators
and
three
supervisors
over
those
positions.
K
It's
based
on
the
Detention
Center
catchment
area,
Okay.
So
that's
how
we
base,
and
so
in
the
Bowling
Green
area.
We
have
two
dacs
covering
some
counties
and
then
we
have
one
in
the
middle
that
covers
a
few
counties
and
feeds
into
McCracken.
Also.
So
then,
in
McCracken
we've
got
two
workers
who
cover
that
whole
area
and
they
all
kind
of
bleed
into
each
other
gotcha.
But
yes,
they
they're,
based
on
a
catchment
area.
M
Steve
gold
I'd
like
to
thank
you.
First
of
all,
our
relationship
with
Dax
from
from
our
court
from
Henderson
County
standpoint
has
been
very
positive
and
the
feedback
that
I
hear
from
other
prosecutors
is
while
they're
always
frustrations
within
any
system.
The
the
Dax
are
always
among
the
most
popular
of
anybody
involved
in
the
juvenile
justice
system
because
they
are
constantly
working
and
they're
constantly
available
and
I've
been
surprised
at.
M
D
M
You
I
want
to
thank
them
for
that
now
you
talked
about
the
83
success
rate,
17
failure
rate
based
on
whether
or
not
a
youth
was
further
detained,
not
necessarily
whether
they
get
another
charge
or
something
like
that
and
I
know.
There's
there's
a
little
distinction
there,
maybe
not
a
huge
difference,
but
my
question
is
and
and
I'm
certainly
not
Pro
over
incarceration
of
juveniles.
Senator
Westerfield
and
I've
been
working
on
this
for
a
long
time
together.
M
So,
with
regard
to
you
know,
victims
of
those
17
percent
is:
are
there
efforts
ongoing
to
further
refine
that
tool
that
you've
got
to
make
sure
that
that
we
can
keep
that
17
percent
down
just
as
low
as
possible?
We.
K
Are
continuing
we
review
our
our
forms,
we
review
everything
that
we
have
on
a
pretty
normal,
regular
basis.
We
just
how
long
ago
did
we
do
that
tool?
It's
not
been
that
long.
Just
a
few
years
yeah
we
we
redid
the
tool
because
the
the
original
tool
was
being
overridden
a
lot,
and
so
we
created
this
one
and
it's
not
overridden
as
much
and
it's
a
little
more.
K
But
I
will
say
that
in
the
past
two
years
it's
gone
from
80
to
83.,
so
we
are
moving
up
and
I
think
that
as
we
get
more
DAC
workers
and
really
hone
in
on
working
one-on-one
with
the
youth
I
think
we're
going
to
see,
hopefully
an
improvement
even
in
the
83
percent.
Thank
you
most
yeah
and
most
of
those
are
unsuccessful.
They
are
in
detention
because
they
have
committed
the
new
offense
right.
M
A
Anything
further
Steve,
okay,
representative
brancher
quickly.
C
Just
how,
where
does
the
CDW
come
into
this
DAC
and
judge
recommendation
and
placement
and
then
where's
the
CDW
insert
if.
K
The
court
designated
worker
is
called
out
by
a
police
officer
in
the
child's
in
custody.
Then
the
court
designated
worker
will
some
after
they've
talked
with
the
youth
and
they
know
the
charges.
They
will
call
the
detention
alternative
coordinator
to
see
if
we
have
anything
available
and
then
they
notify
the
judge
and
say
this
is
the
youth.
This
is
the
charge.
These
are
the
release
options
we
have
so
then
that
leaves
it
up
to
the
judge.
K
Did
they
want
this
youth
to
go
to
home
incarceration
or
do
they
want
this
judge
to
or
the
youth
to
go
to
a
private,
Child,
Care,
Facility
or
detention?
So
we
let
them
know
the
Dax.
Let
the
CDW
know
what
is
available
in
the
counties
and
then
the
DAC
takes
over
that
case
after
the
referral
is
made.
There
was
the
any
communication
goes
to
the
DAC.
After
that.
K
C
A
F
K
We
have
been
in
talks
about
training
them
to
screen
for
some
things.
If
they've
seen
this
the
court
designated
worker,
then
you
know
they
have
that
screen.
If
they
have
things
that
are
concerning,
then
we
can
have
mobile
assessments
done
on
them.
So
if
they're
either,
we
can
either
do
that
before
we
put
them
in
the
placement
or
if
they're
in
the
placement
and
something
occurs,
then
we
have
places
The
Ridge
the
brook.
How
many
I
don't
know
how
many
Our
Lady
of
Peace,
Sun,
Hospital,
there's
Cumberland,
Hall
I,
think
I.
D
F
D
N
A
question
on
that:
how
many
of
the
do
you
know
how
many
of
the
youth
have
a
mental
health
diagnosis,
or
do
you
all
look
at
that
I.
A
A
You
very
much
I
appreciate
it
while
we're
and
we've
got
our
next
folks
here
by
Zoom
and
I'll
talk
about
them
in
a
second.
But
commissioner
I
was
going
to
ask
if
we
can
have
someone
from
the
community
supervision
part
of
the
agency
talk
about
their
services
and
what
they
do
either
next
month
or
the
month
after.
A
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
all
right
so,
a
couple
of
months
ago,
an
opportunity
to
to
be
in
Santa
Fe
New
Mexico
at
an
ncsl
meeting,
and
it
was
it
was
structured
differently
than
other
ncsl
meetings
and
they
had
a
lot
of
young
adults
there
with
lived
experience
that
were
talking
about
their
their
time
in
the
systems
that
they
experienced
and
then
some
of
the
advocacy
work
that
they've
done
as
young
adults
now
to
to
bring
reforms
to
Juvenile
Justice
systems
where
they
are,
and
there
was
a
group
of
young
men
from
Kansas
that
I
got
to
talk
to
a
bit
and
hear
from
quite
a
bit
at
that
presentation
during
that
day
and
a
half
or
so
in
Santa,
Fe
and
I
invited
them
to
to
come
and
speak
with
us
this
morning
or
this
afternoon,
just
barely
and
so
I
want
to
welcome
Desmond
Brian
White,
the
program
manager
for
Destination
innovation
and
project
in
Kansas
and
I.
I
A
Well,
we
had
yet
we
can
hear
you
we
had
you
on
on
our
picture
here.
Give
us
just
a
second.
A
Yeah,
let's
see
if
it's
gonna,
if
you'll
say
something
Desmond
or
we'll
see
if
it
switches
over
to
you
while
you're
talking.
O
A
All
right,
it's
working,
Desmond
I,
appreciate
you
being
with
us
to
talk
to
us
and
I,
wanted
to
welcome
you
and
until
you've
got
the
floor.
So
you've
got
a
group
of
both
executive
branch
and
citizens
that
are
appointed
to
this
in
different
positions
and
roles
to
represent
a
lot
of
different
stakeholder
groups
that
are
involved
in
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
a
handful
of
legislators,
myself
included,
and
the
Juvenile
Justice
oversight.
A
O
No
thank
you
for
having
me
and
I
want
to
apologize.
I
have
some
of
our
my
youth
leaders
I'm
on
the
call,
but
between
phone
dying
and
their
situations,
hopped
off.
Okay,
here
go
Tyler,
but
I
will
introduce
progeny
and
youth.
Adult
partnership
focus
on
reimagining,
the
Juvenile,
Justice,
System
and
community-based
alternatives
is
a
program
of
destination
innovation,
Innovation,
which
Youth
Empowerment
organization
aligning
boldly
Brazilian
young
people
and
the
mindsets
move
courageously
with
purpose
and
discipline
to
activate
underserved
communities.
O
Our
vision
is
to
transform
the
juvenile
justice
system
in
Kansas
by
closing
the
last
remaining
new
prisons
and
shifting
power
back
to
the
communities
in
the
most
impacted
by
these
systems
through
investing
in
these
programs
and
be
able
to
help
your
Kansas
and
hopefully,
a
better
Nation
as
well
progeny.
We
teach
problems
and
have
passion
continue
to
disrupt
the
pipelines
of
incarceration
that
made
our
communities,
such
as
under
Investments
Kansas,
have
been
creating
investments
in
community
alternatives
for
Youth
and
the
juvenile
justice
system.
However,
we
keep
coming
up
short
and
really
supporting
our
youth.
O
His
Senate
Bill
367,
which
was
passed
in
2016.,
which
was
intended
to
reduce
youth
incarceration
and
reinvesting
community-based
alternatives.
After
several
years
of
funding,
we
just
find
that
we've
come
up
short
and
the
youth
most
impacted
have
not
played
a
role
in
determining
how
Kansas
will
reinvest
that
money.
O
So
that's
a
system
that
we
hope
to
share
with
partners
and
everybody
from
across
the
nation
will
ask
the
foster
care
system
homelessness
and,
like
I,
said,
youth
incarceration
and
closing
down
the
last
year's
prison
in
Kansas
along
some
of
our
work
that
we've
been
doing,
we've
Justified
or
eliminating
spawns
of
fees
in
Kansas
for
our
Juvenile
Justice
oversight
committee
and
the
work
that
we,
who
is
really
Hands-On
and
being
able
to
take
system,
impacted
young
people
and
usually
on
the
tools
and
the
mentorship
and
the
resources
in
order
to
big
change
and
reduce
recidivism
right
now
we
have
four
youth
leaders
on
that.
O
We
have
stipends,
so
they
get
a
monthly
get
a
monthly
check
in
order
to
help
with
class
help
with
the
phone
bill
help
with
maybe
food,
whatever
remake
people.
O
A
O
C
O
O
P
O
P
S
O
R
P
S
T
R
P
G
G
O
R
O
So
that
was
was
a
project
that
we
work
with
with
one
of
our
apartments
from
the
free
Justice
Coalition,
which
is
a
coalition
of
organizations
from
across
the
country
and
in
Kansas,
and
we
work
around
advocacy
and
giving
youth
a
voice
in
order
to
be
the
voice
for
youth
across
the
country
and
in
our
communities.
We
focus
on
OC
development,
leadership,
development
and
also
our
mentorship
and
giving
different
Avenues
and
different
possibilities
and
showing
youth.
O
I
want
to
give
one
of
the
original
youth
leaders
with
progeny
Tyler
Williams
an
opportunity
to
tell
his
story
and
how
Prodigy
has
benefited
his
life.
Are
you
there
Taylor.
O
Okay,
he
was
having
some
technical
difficulties
earlier.
So,
if
he's
not
able
to.
O
Yeah,
oh
yeah
technical
difficulties,
so
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
now,
we
just
you
know
the
probation
experience,
focus
groups
where
families
and
youth
here
in
Kansas
and
that
was
hosted
by
the
underbody,
any
Casey
foundation
and
we
were
able
to
stories
and
feedback
from
youth
under
18
who
have
experienced
probation.
So
the
goal
in
that
is
to
create
a
system
that
is
beneficial
I
mean
at
a
young
age.
O
If
you
have
to
go
through
probation
being
able
to
give
give
resources
that
will
help
you
throughout
time,
probation
and
it
looks
like
Tyler,
is
up
and
running
so
I'll
give
him
the
floor.
Q
Hello,
my
name
is
Tyler
Williams
I'm,
one
of
the
original
youth
leaders
here
with
progeny,
and
you
know
just
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
of
my
personal
experience
with
the
organization.
I
was
one
of
the
original
youth
leaders.
Q
We
all
had
first-hand
experience
and
we
all
wanted
to
see
change
in
our
community
of
getting
some
investment
from
one
of
the
local
non-profits
and
got
our
feet
on
the
ground,
and
you
know
we
started
by
first
making
sure
we
knew
what
was
actually
going
on
in
the
community
learning
personal
development,
leadership,
development,
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
system,
the
pathway
to
get
bills
made
and
began
creating
reports
with
community
members,
those
who
were
directly
and
indirectly
impacted
by
our
Juvenile
justice
system,
and
now
we
are
working
on
multiple
campaign
fronts,
one
of
those
being
the
debt-free
Justice
campaign
where
we
have
written
our
first
bill.
Q
Q
One
of
our
big
sayings
here
is
your
story.
Is
not
your
crutch?
It's
your
sword
so
make
the
difference
that
you
want
to
see
in
this
world.
A
Thank
you,
Tyler
Desmond
or
Tyler,
either
one
I'm
curious.
O
You
know,
from
our
perspective
what
I've,
seen
and
experienced
as
well
I
believe
that
lack
of
resources
are
something
that
every
Community
possesses
and
it's
not
the
lack
of
resources.
The
accessibility
to
those
resources,
I
know
at
least
we're
in
my
community.
We
don't
really
even
have
a
community
resource
center
to
where
you
could
go
and
just
have
a
safe
space
outside
of
you
know,
RDI
home,
but
just
to
be
able
to
go
somewhere
and
be
safe
and
have.
D
O
Resources,
whether
it
be
therapy,
whether
it
be
somebody
to
talk
to
I,
believe
that
all
you
should
have
that
one
person
in
the
reporter
that
is
there
for
them,
and
what
I'm
hearing
over
the
past
August
from
our
focus
group
is
a
lot
of
Youth.
Don't
have
that
individual
and
I.
Think
as
Leaders,
we
have
to
you
know,
create
create
those
safe
spaces
for
youth
to
be
able
to
thrive
and
hopefully
be
preventative
from
them
ever
entering
the
system.
But
with
progeny.
O
We
use
artolite
and
I
believe
that
a
lot
of
systems
took
away
art
out
of
the
schools
and
out
of
things
made
it
less
accessible
and
I
feel
like
art
is
a
way,
is
an
Avenue
for
youth
to
be
ethnic
in
their
story
and
put
their
energy
into
somewhere.
O
If
they're,
not
I,
don't
know,
is
it
athletically
or
you
know,
intellectually,
in
our
form
is
a
way
that
they
can
express
themselves
and
a
lot
of
Youth
are
angry
and
you
know
as
I
should
in
this
crazy
world,
and
they
just
don't
have
an
outlet.
So
it's
creating
more
accessibility
to
resources
that
can
benefit
youth.
O
Most
definitely
I
believe
that
progeny
everything
that
we
do
not
everything,
but
most
things
that
we
do.
We
try
to
invest
in
the
youth
and
I,
just
kind
of
shows
them
that
they're
important
and
is
that
they
do
the
things
that
they
do.
People
are
watching
and
respect,
and
especially
being
impacted.
O
Stone
can
be
embarrassing.
That
can
be,
you
know,
demoralizing
and
if
you're
in
the
system,
if
you're
incarcerated,
you
know
it's
oftentimes
dehumanizing.
So
how
do
you
heal?
You
know?
How
do
you
resurrect
a
life,
then
some
institutional
laws
and
I
believe
that's
only
through
Iraq
connections
and
genetic
direct
connections
to
resources
and
mentorship
and
therapy
to
get
over
those
hurdles
or
even
for
them
before
they
start
and
starts
at
an
early
age.
So
we're
talking,
you
know,
Middle
School
age.
O
How
do
we
prevent
and
change
your
mindset
at
a
really
big,
such
as
we
have
a
program
called
word
to
life
where
we
take
poetry
and
music
and
we
have
it
as
an
outlet
for
mental
health,
so
we're
going
to
the
schools-
and
we
have
you-
know
Cipher
sessions
and
writing
sessions
to
able
to
give
Youth
and
Outlet.
You
speak
about
their
home
life
which
coming
from
them.
You
know
they
never
had
the
opportunity.
O
You
know.
Sometimes,
if,
if
you
come
to
school
and
he's
sleepy
nobody's
asking
him
why
they
say
get
your
head
up
or
leave
my
class,
but
what
if
he
had
to
stay
up
all
night
to
protect
his
mother
from
an
abusive
partner?
You
know
what
if
he
had
to
stay
up
to
watch
his
siblings,
because
his
mom
had
to
work
a
third
shift.
You
know
so,
just
being
more
understanding
and
intuitive
to
you.
O
Life
outside
of
that
individual's
life
and
able
to
incorporate
Arts
into
that
is
a
authentic
way
to
do
so.
From
my
perspective,.
A
And
I'm
gonna
put
you
on
the
spot
with
another
deep
policy
question:
what
would
you
recommend
or
what
ideas
do
you
have
on
better
engaging
parents
and
families
in
the
lives
of
the
children
that
that
are
coming
into
the
system.
O
State
investment
part:
that's
making
sure
that
a
family
is
a
family
before
they
are
reinserted.
You
know
if
a
youth
and
a
family,
if
there
are
any
kind
of
discrepancies,
making
sure
that
family
is
whole.
You
know
whatever
that
looks
like
before,
that
youth
is
forced
to
go
back
to
that
that
home
and
they
may
need
to
be
in
that
space
But.
O
If
the
problem
was
lack
of
funds,
because
the
you
have
fines
and
fees
to
pay
now
with
family
can't
afford
it
and
the
you
for
sure
can
afford
it,
because
they
can't
work.
You
know
how
do
we
heal
that
situation
when
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
lack
of
financials
or
I?
Think
the
solution
to
that
would
just
be
creating
programs
for
the
family,
specifically
in
order
to
you
know,
help
them
along
the
process
and
working
through
the
system.
O
Along
every
process
of
this
system,
while
they're
going
to
report
in
you
know,
that's
non-different
funds
of
fees
potentially
and
having
somebody
there
that
can
advocate
for
the
families
advocate
for
the
Youth
as
well
and
I.
Don't
know,
I
think
that
maybe
financials
or
an
investment
in
that
would
would
or
could
be
a
solution.
L
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
out
in
Kansas.
I
did
have
a
question
about
at
one
point
in
time
you
mentioned
about
giving
young
people
stipends
for
their
engagement.
I
know
that
there's
a
couple
of
subcommittee
groups
here
that
have
attempted
to
do
that
and
I
know
that
there
has
been
some
pushback
from
folks
of
saying
that
those
young
people
do
not
deserve
stipends
or
should
not
be
getting
those
stipends.
L
O
You
know
all
of
our
we
have
four
youth
leaders
on
our
usually
are
intern,
in
which
we
contract
them
out
for
a
year
position.
So
we
just
hire
our
interns.
I
will
work
with
us
through
2023
and
2024.
O
Progeny
is
the
only
program
of
its
kind
in
Kansas
and
probably
in
the
midwest
area.
We
are
naturally
funded.
So
I
think
that
you
know
separates
us
from
a
lot
of
organizations
around
us,
because
we
don't
really
have
to
fight
for
the
state.
Money
and
I
know
that
I
think
that's
when
we
talk
of
lack
of
resources,
but
also
leaning
into
your
network
as
well
and
finding
a
way
because
you've
most
definitely
who
deserve
that,
because
it's
just
that
the
energy
of
telling
them
that
they
don't
deserve.
O
Something
is
what
propels
them
to
go,
find
it
because
you
have
to
eat.
You
know
we
have
to
pay
a
bill.
You
know,
and
our
youth
are
forced
to
grow
up
at
an
earlier
age,
thinking
of
responsibilities
at
the
age
of
13.
But
what?
O
If
there
was
a
program
that
would
allow
them
to
not
only
face
their
demons,
that
they
may
have
experience
at
a
young
age,
but
also
allows
them
a
way
to
receive
that
stipend
or
be
any
kind
of
resources
shall
I'll
say
in
order
to
just
create
a
better
lifestyle
and
I
feel
that
most
definitely
youth
affected
by
the
system
they
deserve.
It.
O
Respect
and
Justice
and
I
feel
like
investing
in
the
investing
in
our
youth
is
a
way
to
change
your
mindset,
because
once
they
use
knows
that
they're
loved
and
invested
in
you
know
that
will
hold
them
accountable.
That
will
hold
and
responsible
in
order
to
start
to
create
change
in
their
own
life.
And
it's
not
until
they
start
to
see
those
Investments
that
the
thought
process
can
change
and
waiting
until
a
youth
is
18
and
goes
to
college
and
trying
to
pour
into
them.
Then
I
just
feel
like
that's
too
late.
O
We
have
to
start
earlier
and
really
change
the
culture
and
the
mindset
of
our
youth
at
an
earlier
age
and
which
is
just
one
way
that
we
can
do
so
and
again.
D
O
You
it's
the
best
investment
investment
that
we
can
make.
That
yields
the
best
return
and
oh
no,
we
have
to
be
creative
in
how
we
do
so
in
I
feel
like
the
money's
there.
We
live
in
an
abundant
world
and
just
being
able
to
think
outside
the
box
and
bring
Innovative
and
creative
programming
into
these
spaces
in
order
to
support
our
youth
because
they
are
the
next
narration.
They
are
the
next
set
of
leaders
and
we
can't
hold
youth
back
just
because
they
made
a
mistake
when
they
were
13
or
15.
A
Any
other
questions
members
seeing
none
Desmond.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
the
work
you're
doing
in
Kansas
and
I'm
happy
to
help
you
if
I
can
be
a
resource
for
the
legislators.
You
talk
to
over
there
in
our
sister
State
sister
K
State,
happy
to
help
you
all,
but
I'm
I'm
thankful
for
the
work
you're
doing
it
was
a
pleasure
to
meet
you
a
couple
months
ago
and
I
appreciate
you
making
time
for
us
here
at
our
council
meeting
today.
O
Most
definitely
thank
you
for
having
us
and
if
there's
any
way,
that
we
can
be
of
any
help
or
help
at
all,
please
reach
out.
We
would
love
to
cook
you
some
time
and
share
with
any
youth
there.
That's
willing
to
listen.
So
thank.
A
Have
a
great
day,
I
appreciate
it
and
give
our
thanks
to
Tyler
as
well
and
the
rest
of
the
guys.
Okay.
That
concludes
a
business
on
the
agenda
today.
I
do
want
to
remind
you
that
our
next
meeting
is
September.
15Th,
commissioner,
is
that
enough
time
for
your
community
folks
to
okay,
okay
hold
on
just
a
second,
oh
yeah,
representative
parent
yeah,.
L
I
just
have
a
question:
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
for
you
or
for
DJJ,
can
we
get
a
an
update
on
the
progress
of
the
facility
in
Jefferson
County,
where
the
the
timeline
is
of
what's
happening?
I.
H
Well
and
what
I
tell
you
may
be
unsatisfying
in
some
ways,
but
we
are
in
the
design
phase
now
and
as
as
you
know,
once
these
projects
go
into
construction.
This
is
largely
in
the
arena
of
the
finance
cabinet
in
Deca
and
all
of
that,
but
I
know
that
they're
they're
working
on
the
design
for
the
renovations
of
the
building,
which
is
you
know
it's
going
to
be
a
very
extensive
project.
You
know
this
is
this
is
not
just
coming
in
with
some
paint
and
and
floor
coverings.
H
This
is
going
to
be
a
very
extensive
project.
I
cannot
give
you
a
timeline
at
this
point,
I
think
once
the
design
is
completed
and
the
bid
packages
are
ready
to
go
out.
The
design
professionals
at
that
point
might
have
some
estimates
of
the
time,
but
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
I,
wouldn't
want
anybody
to
think
we're
going
to
be
in
that
building
in
six
months
or
10
months.
You
know
because
this
is
a
very
extensive
construction
project.
Do.
A
H
We
do
not
at
this
point,
Senator
that's
being
worked
on
now,
as
I
understand
it
and
again
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
to
mislead
you,
because
this
is
largely
in
the
finance
cabinet
Arena,
but
I
know
that
that
the
Juvenile
Justice
people
I,
know
I.
Think
Larry
Chandler
is
probably
our
representative
involved
in
in
that
process
and
I
know
they're
having
meetings.
You
know
almost
every
day,
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
footprint
needs
to
be.
H
What
this
needs
to
look
like
when
it's
completed
but
I
think
until
the
design
is
completed
and
they're
at
least
ready
to
go
out
to
to
start
bidding
the
construction.
It's
just
I
think
it's
impossible
to
know
what
the
timeline
will
be
because
they're
still
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
it's
an
old
building
and
so
they're
trying
to
figure
out
just.
H
N
H
Think
it's
pretty
soon
I
think
we're.
The
design
phase
is
well
underway.
Okay-
and
you
know
the
first
thing
that
had
to
happen
is
our
FP
had
to
go
out
to
hire
the
design
firm
and
all
the
procurement
stuff
takes
time.
As
you
all
know,
so,
I
think
that
is
progressing
in
good
order
and
I
would
hope
within
you
know
the
next
few
months,
we'll
have
a
lot
more
information
about
that.
But
this
you
know
I'm
I,
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
too,
and
and
I've
heard.
H
You
know
some
folks
I
think
that
in
some
circles,
there's
maybe
a
misunderstanding
about
the
scope
of
this
project,
because
I've
had
some
people
say
well,
we'll
be
in
there
by
next
summer
right
and
I'm
no
construction
person,
but
I
doubt
that
that
will
be
the
case,
because
this
is
this
is
there's
just
so
much
work
needed
on
that
building.
I
think
there
are
probably
going
to
be
some.
H
L
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record,
this
is
a
very
frustrating
not
necessarily
on
on
the
administration,
but
I
think
that
that
this
past
year,
when
we
were
talking
about
repurposing
or
reopening
the
facility,
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
know
that
myself
and
other
people
talked
about
was-
is
this
facility
the
best
facility
to
do
this
and
hearing
what
you're
saying
I'm
still
not
sure
that
it
is,
and
so
I
still
have
questions
about
how
much
it
is
going
to
cost
to
get
that
building
up
and
running,
and
did
it
make
sense
for
us
to
do
this
at
a
different
location?
L
This
is
just
very
unacceptable
and
and
I
think
that
we
as
a
legislative
body,
has
to
take
responsibility
for
that,
and
so
I
just
want
to
speak
that
for
for
the
record,
because
it's
just
very
frustrating.
Thank
you.
A
A
Y'all
see
that
look
I
just
got
no,
it's
not
won't
be
the
last
from
Katie
all
right,
seeing
nothing
else.
We've.
M
Got
yeah
just
on
on
behalf
of
prosecutors.
We
had
our
prosecutors
conference
this
past
week.
M
Earlier
today,
I
do
want
to
share
with
the
oversight
Council
that
the
fair
team
attendance
issue
was
a
point
of
emphasis
at
the
County
attorneys
association
meeting,
and
the
leadership
of
our
organization
was
was
very
clear
to
everyone
about
that.
So
that
word
has
gotten
out
there.
I
just
wanted
to.
A
Share,
that's
great.
That's
great
I,
appreciate
that
thank
you
and
I
believe
actually,
I
have
a
I
have
a
meeting
with
Scott
West
here
in
just
a
minute,
I'm
going
to
ask
to
make
sure
DPA
has
gotten
that
same
message.
I
appreciate
that
all
right,
so
you
know
the
business
come
for
the
committee.
We
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
see
you
next
month
on
the
15th
at
2.