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A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we
have
a
quorum
so
we're
duly
ordered
to
we
can
operate
then.
Today,
before
proceeding
with
business,
we
ask
that
all
members
and
gas
to
please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
for
any
guests
attending
via
Zoom
to
please
mute
your
microphones
and
tell
require
to
testify.
We
have
one
guest
on
behalf
of
the
justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
attending
via
Zoom
cam
approval
of
the
minutes.
Do
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes?
Motion
great,
thank
you.
A
Does
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second?
Do
we
have
any
objections
right
then
the
motion,
the
minutes,
will
stand
to
be
approved.
We
have
two
new
board
members,
including
myself.
I
am
the
one
of
the
newly
co-chair
appointees
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone.
Today
we
also
have
the
new
co-chair
appointee,
Senator
Philip
wheeler,
as
well
as
three
or
excuse
me,
new
citizen
members,
Brian
Hicks
and
Danny
Rhodes.
C
There
are
two
information
items
before
the
board
today.
The
first
timeline
for
the
2024-2023
capital
planning
period
provides
a
brief
overview
of
the
capital
planning
process,
including
which
state
agencies
must
submit
Capital
plans
and
the
timeline
for
the
rest
of
this
2023
planning
period.
The
statutory
statutory
due
date
for
Capital
plans
was
April
15th,
but,
given
that
date
fell
on
a
Saturday
agencies
had
until
Monday
April
17th
to
submit
their
plans.
There
are
currently
1476
Capital
plans,
valued
at
roughly
34.5
billion,
submitted
in
version
1
of
the
capital
planning
system.
C
These
figures
are
preliminary
and
will
change
as
agencies
have
the
opportunity
to
amend
their
plans
after
each
monthly
meeting.
This
document
also
details
the
tentative
meeting
schedule.
We
anticipate
four
more
meetings
through
September
2023,
which
will
allow
staff
time
to
proof
and
edit
the
final
Statewide
Capital
Improvement
plan,
so
that
we
can
meet
the
statutory
November
1st
deadline.
C
The
second
information
item
before
you
is
a
list
of
all
agencies
that
submitted
Capital
plans,
but
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
to
testify.
These
agencies,
generally
Encompass
boards
and
commissions
that
do
not
have
any
Capital
needs
state
agencies
that
do
not
have
capital
projects
or
I.T
needs,
and
agencies
that
primarily
use
restricted
funds
for
their
source
of
funds.
C
A
A
E
F
D
Sure
thank
you
for
having
us
today.
We
are
happy
to
present
our
six-year
Capital
plan.
Our
Capital
plan
focuses
on
building
issues
impacting
patient
and
Health
Services.
It
protects
infrastructure
Investments
with
our
facilities,
and
we
have
a
little
bit
of
Technology
modernization
mixed
in
as
well
I'm
going
to
assume
that
you
all
have
this
slide
presentation
in
your
packets
slide.
Three
provides
a
list
of
our
facilities
through
our
Department
of
Behavioral,
Health
and
developmental
and
intellectual
disabilities.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
a
large
footprint
across
the
cabinet.
D
D
Our
Capital
plan
for
this
period
only
has
seven
items
on
it.
This
amount
is
down
from
previous
Capital
plans
thanks
in
part,
thanks
largely
to
the
generous
funding
by
the
general
assembly
and
the
most
recent
enacted
budget.
These
these
projects
help
us
continue
to
maintain
our
facilities
and
we're
very
thankful
for
all
the
support
that
we
get
at
this
point.
I
would
turn
it
over
to
Astrid
to
talk
about
these
individual
projects
in
the
current
plan.
Sure.
F
F
Currently,
the
lab
is
really
unsufficient
or
insufficient
for
the
equipment,
the
modernization
of
equipment
that
has
happened.
The
current
lab
is
running
out
of
space
and
does
not
have
the
capacity
to
do
that.
Dr
stack
is
also
here.
If
you
all
have
any
additional
questions
as
it
relates
to
the
lab
once
we
finish
so
there's
that
and
then
the
next
item
is
kcpc.
F
With
that
passing,
we've
seen
a
large
influx
of
patients
that
were
not
fully
able
to
handle
and
need
additional
space
due
to
the
regular
regulations,
so
we're
seeking
for
additional
space
on
the
property
to
help
with
the
influx
of
individuals.
The
next
item
is
our
social
assistant
management
system.
That's
Sam's,
and
that
is
for
modernization,
that
is,
for
our
department
of
aging
and
independent
living,
and
that
is
updating
the
system
that
is
fully
outdated.
It's
out
of
compliance
with
our
federal
requirements
and
IT
Supplies.
F
The
system
supplies
help
to
the
area,
districts
and
the
services
that
they
provide
for
the
Aging
and
independent
living
next
item
number
five
is
our
Western
State
Hospital
replacement
of
the
HVAC
system,
it's
all
the
fun
and
pretty
stuff
that
we
get
to
do
so.
It's
12
million
replacing
the
pool
pipes.
F
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
are
familiar
with
western
state
hospital,
but
it's
a
200
year
old
hospital
and
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
within
the
hospital
are
really
really
old.
So
it's
updating
that
number
six
is
Western
State,
Hospital,
updating,
upgrade
of
mechanical
lines,
again
gas,
water,
sewer,
all
the
fun
and
flashy
stuff,
and
then
also.
F
Our
last
item
is
Oakwood
and
replacement
of
water
lines
there
again
50
year
old
lines,
it's
the
infrastructure
for
our
facilities,
so
those
are
all
of
our
top
projects
and
you
all
have
any
questions
be
happy
to
answer.
H
G
Dr
stack:
do
you
mind
coming
up
for
a
second
you
know.
Astrid
has
always
giving
us
the
general
explanation,
but
if
you,
you
know
your
staff
Works
inside
this
lab,
you
know
I
remember
when
the
lab
was
built,
but
you've
got
to
give
us
a
picture
of.
You
know
the
real
differences
that
have
happened
in
technology,
that
kind
of
require.
You
know
this
project
sure.
I
Thank
you,
director,
Hicks,
so
and
committee
and
Madam
chair.
The
laboratory
was
built
in
the
early
90s,
it's
more
than
it's
about
30
years
old,
I'd,
say
the
science
and
technology
in
the
lab
now
would
have
been
like
Star
Trek
type
technology
to
those
Folks.
At
that
time
they
built
the
lab.
The
HVAC
system
was
not
designed
to
handle
all
the
heat
that
those
machines
throw
off.
It
can't
maintain
humidity,
and
this
is
a
real
problem.
I
So
we
do
all
the
newborn
screening
every
live
birth
in
the
Commonwealth
Kentucky
has
to
have
newborn
screening
for
inborn
errors
and
Metabolism
about
53
000
live
births.
Those
machines
generate
so
much
heat
that
we
have
stainless
steel
pipes
vented
up
through
the
roof
of
the
building
to
try
to
vent
the
heat
out
of
the
building,
because
the
air
conditioning
units
can't
maintain
the
conditions
we
have
a
room
that
does
fine
particulate
matter,
analysis,
so
dirts
and
soils
and
particles.
I
It
has
to
have
very
precise
heat
and
humidity
temperature
conditions,
or
else
the
particles
don't
work
properly.
The
machines
lose
their
precision.
We
have
a
combination
of
fans,
dehumidifiers
and
various
other
in
the
room
things
trying
to
maintain
the
conditions
and
still,
when
we
get
to
the
summer
months,
July
August.
Sometimes
we
can't
run
the
lab
means.
We
can't
provide
the
testing
for
the
people
we're
obligated
to
do.
I
I
This
is
actually
a
replacement
lab
attached
to
the
current
lab
facility
and
it
would
bring
additional
benefits
so
the
vendor
that
we
had
to
do
a
feasibility
study
and
when
they
analyzed
all
of
that,
they
went
through
numerous
different
options.
Renovate
while
we
live
in
it
add
space,
but
you
reuse
space.
I
The
the
plan
that
they
came
up
with
and
proposed,
as
the
best
was
to
build
a
new
tower
attached
to,
but
behind
the
current
tower,
for
a
number
of
reasons,
one
the
build
out
for
this
level
of
lab
is
so
unique
and
and
frankly,
specialized
compared
to
other
general
purpose,
Labs
that
the
most
cost
effective
way
to
do.
That
was
to
build
a
new
lab
with
the
current
specs
met.
The
other
thing
was
these
Labs,
all
of
them,
including
the
KSP
lab
and
the
building
and
other
labs
I.
I
Think
the
coroner
medical
examiner
has
a
lab.
There
should
be
redundancies
for
the
HVAC
systems
so
that,
if
one
set
goes
down,
there's
another
one
to
back
up
that
would
have
helped
guard
against
this
problem.
We
faced
here,
which
was
a
real
threat
these
last
couple
months
until
we
got
this
new
HVAC
coils
replaced,
the
new
building
will
be
a
redundancy
to
the
old
building
and
the
old
building
will
be
a
redundancy
to
the
new
building.
I
So
in
fact,
all
of
the
tenants
of
that
property
will
benefit
and
some
of
the
current
tenants,
the
other
agencies
need
additional
space
and
we're
already
considering
if
they
had
to
move
elsewhere
to
find
that
space.
So
this
will
actually
indirectly
not
as
the
direct
cause
or
reason
for
this,
but
indirectly
benefit
those
other
state
agencies
who
needed
space
and
otherwise
would
be
happy
to
stay
there.
So
I'll
conclude
by
just
saying
to
do
this
will
be
at
least
a
five-year
project
from
design
to
occupancy.
I
If
we
add
another
year
plus
from
today
until
the
time
the
money
would
be
approved
next
summer,
it'll
be
six
and
a
half
years,
probably
until
the
cert,
the
soonest
move-in
date,
the
lab
will
be
closer
to
40
years
old.
At
that
point,
this
lab
is,
unlike
any
other
lab
in
the
state.
The
statute
regulations
both
state
and
federal,
require
certain
things
be
done.
If
it
goes
offline,
we
have
to
send
specimens
out
of
state
at
a
higher
cost
to
out-of-state
vendors.
I
To
do
this,
it
really
is
Mission
critical
and
because
of
the
long
lead
time
to
design
it
and
build
it.
A
decision
in
the
next
session
to
fund
it
would
really
only
yield
resolution
five
and
a
half
to
six
years
down
the
road.
So
it's
really
urgent
that
this
project
get
approved
plan
so
I
hope
that
helps
provide
additional
perspective.
A
So
I
have
just
a
couple
questions
myself.
As
far
as
like
the
central
lab
expansion
that
you
were
just
talking
about
within
your
presentation
and
within
your
documentation,
you
talked
about
some
injuries,
and
so
you
could,
if
you
could
just
talk
about
some
injuries,
that
potentially,
if
you
had
or
some
near-misses
so.
I
I
It
damaged
the
building
and
the
ceiling
on
the
floor
beneath
so,
and
the
only
way
to
remediate
that
again,
a
reason
why
the
proposal
another
reason
to
build
a
new
building
you'd
have
to
rip
out
the
whole
infrastructure
in
the
building
and
put
a
whole
new
drain
system
in
there
and
then
so
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
The
other
thing
is
some
of
these
things.
If
they
were
minor,
we
could
just
do
a
one-off
replacement,
but
there's
so
many
of
them.
They.
I
I
The
room
is
required
to
have
negative
pressure
so
that
no
air
goes
out
from
under
the
door
that
it
all
goes
out
through
a
vent
so
that
it
doesn't
expose
people
in
the
hallway.
We
don't
know
where
the
air
vents,
because
there's
no
there's
no
clear
flow
map
and
it's
not
clear.
It's
a
negative
pressure
room.
So
we
we
desperately
need
to
design
that
lab,
so
it
has
proper
negative
pressure.
I
A
Yeah,
those
are
two
very
good
ones.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
As
far
as
your
forensic,
the
construct
forensic
psychiatric
hospital
within
your
presentation.
Also,
you
talked
about
that
doc
has
agreed
to
provide
the
land.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that
just
a
little
bit,
it.
F
Is
it
is
on
Luther
Luckett
in
Louisville?
They
already
have
a
presence
there,
and
so
it
would
just
be
within
that
complex
of
building
an
additional
structure.
There
gotcha.
A
You
that
would
be
good.
Thank
you
sure,
thank
you
and
then
for
the
the
Sams,
we're
telling
you
talked
just
a
little
bit
about
matching.
So
can
you
describe
what
does
that
mean
in
compliance
with
Federal?
Well,
I
wrote
matching
because
it
says
due
to
lack
of
compliance
with
federal
reporting
requirements.
So
what
does
that
mean?
Is
that
a
matching
or
is
there
current?
What
are
the
current
funds?
Are
those
currently
available
or
what
is
that?
What
kind
of
federal
requirements
are
we
not
risking
compliance
with.
F
So
it
I
I
believe
I'll
get
clarification
for
it,
but
I
believe
it's
in
the
actual
system
of
the
compliance
and
the
reporting
that
is
required
that
it,
the
system,
does
not
provide
that
if
it's
Federal
matching
that
is
usually
with
so
much
of
our
cabinet
receives
federal
funds,
so
they
can
receive
federal
funds
and
utilize
State
funds
for
program
Administration
or
a
general
Administration
on
stuff,
but
I
believe
it's
in
regards
to
the
actual
system
is
not
providing
everything
that
it
should
for
the
federal
compliance
to
run.
A
D
We've
been
out
of
compliance
for
over
a
decade
at
this
point,
there's
always
the
concern
that
the
the
federal
government
could
draw
a
hard
line
and
reduce
our
existing
federal
funds
to
the
programs.
That
is
that's,
probably
the
biggest
fear
of
it
wait
now
we
need
to
address
it.
It's
just.
We
we've
been
trying
to
address
this
for
a
while
gotcha.
A
E
J
A
K
Going
back
to
the
state
lab,
is
this
going
to
provide
any
new
services
or
just
allow
us
to
kind
of
improve
on
existing
services?
And
that
shower
example,
is
remarkable,
I
mean
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
takes
a
rocket
scientist
just
to
maybe
drain
it
into
a
tank
or
something
you
know,
I
mean
that
that's
that's
just
remarkable.
It's.
I
Impressive
Senator
I
went
through
there
a
couple
years
ago
and
walked
through
and
I
was
like
you
where's,
the
truth.
You
got
to
be
kidding
me
and
and
I
took
pictures
of
this.
That's
what
led
to
them
us
getting
a
feasibility
study
and
then
us
trying
to
escalate
this
I
honestly.
Don't
think
a
lot
of
Commissioners
have
spent
much
time
walking
through
the
lab,
because
the
floors
are
shining
and
the
building
looks
good,
and
it's
not
that
it's
not
maintained
for
basic
structure.
It's
just
not
what
we
need,
but
to
your
point.
I
Oh
we're
we're
so
space
constrained.
Now
that
we
can't
add
and
expand
things
like
we
need
to
so
there's
a
whole
array
of
genetic
testing
elements
for
diseases
and
pathogens
and
things
that
State
Labs
are
expanding
into.
We
don't
have
anywhere
to
put
the
new
machine,
so
we
can't
expand
like
those
others.
The
building
was
designed
in
a
way
cores
and
hallways.
So
a
lot
of
dead
space
and
very
big
hallways,
that's
not
being
utilized,
and
then
the
the
size
of
the
labs
is
rigidly
constrained
by
these
four
walls
around
them.
I
So
it
can't
be
configured
in
the
way
we
need
to
to
be
able
to
design
programs
the
way
they
are
today
to
do
different
services,
so
yeah,
this
design
builds
in
more
space
to
be
able
to
expand
the
current
programs
the
way
they
need
to
be,
but
then
also
to
allow
a
little
bit
margin
of
growth
in
the
years
ahead.
If
there's
other
needs
for
other
programs,.
K
Every
follow-up
for
my
Mr
chairman,
so
once
I
guess
the
addition
gets
fixed
with
this.
Also,
are
you
planning
on
I
guess
renovating
the
the
old
part
once
they
can
get,
or
is
it
going
to
become
addition.
I
So,
commissioner,
Ruth
is
sitting
behind
me
from
you,
know:
Finance
cabinet,
so
I
bill
as
the
owner
of
the
property.
Then
what
they'll
do
is
probably
work
with
existing
tenants
and
then
renovate
that
space
to
make
it
usable
for
the
needs
for
the
other,
tenants
and
so
I.
Think
they're
they've
already
started
discussions
they're
working
on
that,
but
he
would
be
in
a
much
better
position
to
thank.
F
Chair
85
beds
is
what
we
currently.
A
A
A
M
Our
six-year
plan
this
year
is
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we've
submitted
the
last
two
biennium.
We
are
very,
very
appreciative
of
the
funds
that
we've
received
the
last
two
biennium
to
do
work
at
the
campuses
that
are
under
our
management.
We
currently
have
three
state
operated
campuses.
We
have
the
Kentucky
School
for
the
Blind,
that's
in
Louisville
the
Kentucky
school
for
the
deaf,
that's
in
Danville,
and
then
we
have
the
FFA
leadership,
Training
Center,
that's
located
in
Hardinsburg.
M
Those
are
the
three
campuses
that
are
complete.
Capital
plan
is
based
on.
We
do
have
one
project
that
is
specific
to
KDE
I'll,
just
kind
of
start
at
the
top
and
go
through
real
high
overview
of
each.
Of
course.
Our
first
priority
is
our
miscellaneous
maintenance
pool.
This
provides
us
funds
to
do
maintenance,
that's
needed
across
all
of
those
campuses,
whether
it's
you
know,
improvements
to
Locks
Windows,
Doors
things
that
can
be
done
in
the
short
term.
M
We
also
have
a
project
for
the
McDaniel
Scoggin
building
and
that
is
located
on
ksb's
campus,
that
is
our
main
building
for
all
student
life
and
Student.
Activity
contains
classrooms
conference
rooms,
administrative
offices,
and
so
that
we
decided
to
isolate
that
as
as
its
own
project
this
year,
since
our
students
do
spend
so
much
of
their
time
in
that
building.
M
We
also
have
what
we
call
the
education
finance
application.
Many
of
you
I'm
sure,
are
familiar
with
our
seek
appropriation
that
we
receive
at
the
Department
of
Education,
that's
over
three
billion
dollars
that
the
department
receives
in
our
budget
that
goes
to
school
districts.
It's
the
main
funding
source
for
our
school
districts.
We
have
been
operating
using
the
same,
seek
system
to
calculate
different
scenarios
that
we
that
we
would
like
to
see
based
on
per
pupil,
different
inputs,
and
that
system
has
been
around
for
for
quite
a
quite
a
while.
M
M
Next,
we
have
what
we
call
a
state
schools,
Building
Maintenance,
exterior,
Building
Maintenance
you'll,
see
in
the
past
and
and
in
this
particular
plan
that
we
do
ask
for
things
based
on
the
state
schools
that
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
use
those
funds
across
the
campuses.
We've
we've
asked
for
pools
in
the
past
and
we've
continued
to
this
time,
because
that
does
give
us
that
flexibility
to
apply
the
funds
where
needed
these
campuses
are.
M
We
have
buildings
that
were
built
back
in
the
50s
and
for
so
long
because
of
of
limited
fund
Source,
we
weren't
able
to
do
anything
but
Band-Aids.
So
the
last
two
biennium.
We
have
really
focused
on
trying
to
improve,
replace
repair
and
get
our
buildings
up
to
speed.
So
now
we're
moving
into
more
of
a
deferred
maintenance
type
of
plan.
M
We
also
have
what
we
call
a
dormitory
in
cottage
renovation
request.
We
have
over
30
cottages
at
our
FFA
leadership,
Training
Center.
We
also
have,
of
course,
ksb
and
KSD
are
residential
schools
for
our
our
vision,
impaired
and
blind
students
and
our
hard
of
hearing
and
deaf
students,
so
keeping
those
dorms
up
to
date.
Safe
is
a
top
priority.
M
Lastly,
in
our
FFA
leadership
training
center
in
the
last
biennium,
we
received
funds
to
build
an
activity
classroom.
Building
that
is
FFA
is
trying
to
really
move
towards,
instead
of
just
being
a
three-month
campus.
Where
kids
come,
you
know
July
through
September,
to
open
it
up
to
Private
Industry,
to
open
it
up
to
other
state
agencies
to
be
able
to
offer
those
facilities
for
meetings
and
conferences.
So
that
would
be
our
last
and
final
project.
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have.
N
Southworth
I
do
think
this
is
a
little
different.
I
know:
we've
I,
don't
know
if
this
here
we
go
if
in
the
past,
of
course,
we
have
looked
at
ksb
and
KSD,
specifically
and
and
I
can
appreciate
maintenance
pools.
But
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
here
is
ksb
and
KSD
are
statutorily,
I
mean
they're
mandated
they're,
it's
just
something
we
can't
get
away
from
the
FFA
leadership.
Building,
on
the
other
hand,
is
a
little
bit
more
of
as
you
described.
This
is
a
want,
not
a
need
so
I'm
kind
of
concerned.
N
Is
there
anything
I
don't
know
regulatory
wise,
I
mean
I
know
we
can
all
sit
here
and
hope
and
pray
that
everybody
does
the
right
thing,
but
it
seems
like
to
me
in
the
pool
the
priority
still
would
have
to
be
if
KSD
and
ksb
have
needs,
the
FFA
gets
the
crumbs
if
there's
left
over,
and
we
all
know,
there's
never
any
left
over
so
does
FFA
get
anything
and
or
do
we
take
care
of
FFA
in
spite
of
ongoing
needs
at
ksb
and
case
D?
That's
my
concern
this
whole
setup.
M
On
why
we're
going
this
direction?
Absolutely
I'll,
be
glad
to
our
main
priority
is
ksb
and
KSD.
We
have
included
FFA
over
the
past
years,
as
that
is
part
of
our
career
in
technical
education
office
at
the
department
of
Ed.
Typically,
what
we
do
in
my
experience
is
ksb
and
KSD.
If
we
receive
three
million
dollars,
they
get
1.4
each
and
then
whatever's
remaining
goes
to
FFA.
M
So
we've
really
very
heavily
wait
the
funds
that
we
receive
for
ksb
and
KSD,
and
a
lot
of
the
work
that
that
that
the
pools
cover
we
don't
even
apply
to
the
FFA
camp.
So
we
can
share.
You
know
how
we
split
projects
and
amounts.
You
know
historically,
to
show
you
that
we
we
like
FFA,
we
do
support
financially,
they
do
bring
in
a
tuition
when
the
kids
come
in
the
summer.
We
give
a
very,
very
small
percentage
of
our
pools
to
FFA.
N
Follow-Up.
Okay,
so
you
just
give
an
example:
1.4
for
ksb
and
KSD,
and
then
you've
got
your
leftover
last
200,
for
the
excuse
me
FFA.
So
is
this
in
a
pool
situation
where
ksb
and
KSD
have
three
million
dollars
each
worth
of
needs
and
we're
just
scratching
the
service
like
we
always
are,
or
is
this
in
a
situation
where
K
is
being
k,
have
a
million
in
needs
and
we're
trying
to
get
extra
stuff
done
ahead
so
that
they're
in
good
shape
for
the
next
year?
N
We
don't
need
to
ask
for
more
or
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense,
because
obviously
it
sounds
great
on
paper,
but
as
soon
as
it
goes
to
practicality,
one
has
an
immediate
need.
The
other
doesn't,
but
we
divide
it
evenly.
I
mean
that
kind
of
stuff
is
the
kind
of
stuff
that
you're
supposed
to
be
able
to
have.
You
know
the
decision
makers
do
correctly,
but
in
public
service
everything
has
to
be
documented
and
assigned.
It
seems
like
because
we
have
that
transparency
issue
to
the
public,
not
like
a
private
business,
operates.
M
So,
yes,
we
we
work
closely
with
Finance
facilities;
they
have
assigned
someone
from
their
Department
to
be
with
us
through
on
both
of
those
campuses.
Over
the
last
four
years,
we
prioritize
the
projects
as
needed.
Those
campuses,
some
of
the
buildings,
are
so
old.
We've
had
to
address
emergency
situations
and
those
funds
then
shift
towards
what
the
emergency
or
what
the
priority
is
at
the
time.
The
mentality
of
splitting
it
half
and
half
is
simply
that.
M
That's
that's
the
that's
the
we
we
think
about
it
in
those
terms,
but
we
are
able
to
work
with
our
osbd
analyst
to
Route
those
funds
to
the
priority,
whether
it
be
a
ksb
or
KSD.
The
money
we've
received
the
last
four
years
has
really
helped
us
be
able
to
replace
roofs
and
replace
HVAC
systems.
Do
all
of
those
all
of
those
things
that
that
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
keep
the
building
safe
for
the
children
to
go
in
now,
we're
moving
towards.
M
You
know,
maintenance
of
those
things
to
keep.
You
know
to
keep
those
in
good
in
good
shape
and
then
to
also
address
other
issues
that
are
happening
across
the
campus.
So
we
we
definitely
prioritize
and
we
definitely
move
the
money
where
we
need
to
move
the
money.
A
O
O
Also
here
with
us
today
is
Julie
Schmidt
Julie
is
the
senior
director
of
external
affairs
with
ket,
so
I've
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
mentioned
her
good
afternoon
board
co-chairs
and
members.
It's
my
understanding
that
each
of
you
have
a
copy
of
our
six-year
plan.
That's
in
your
agendas
for
today.
O
As
you
know,
the
labor
cabinet
and
education
Workforce
Development
cabinet
were
merged
by
legislation
that
became
effective,
July
1st
2022..
That
merger
has
resulted
in
a
significantly
larger
cabinet.
In
addition
to
secretary
link,
we
now
have
two
Deputy
secretaries,
myself
and
deputy
secretary
Beth
Brinley
before
the
merger.
O
O
O
Our
new
mission
after
the
merger
is
to
educate,
encourage,
employ
and
enforce
fostering
opportunities
for
lifelong
learning,
training
and
Career
Services,
while
protecting
the
well-being
of
Kentucky's
Workforce.
It
has
a
merged
cabinet.
In
addition
to
the
office
of
the
secretary,
we
now
have
10
departments
and
24
agencies
that
are
administratively
attached.
Our
shared
services,
sections
within
the
office
of
the
secretary,
provide
legal,
fiscal,
Human,
Resources
technology,
Communications
policy,
and
excuse
me
policy
and
audit
and
legislative
support
for
all
of
the
agencies
that
are
in
the
cabinet.
On
a
day-to-day
basis.
O
The
cabinet
now
owns
and
operates
18
buildings
across
the
state
that
provide
services
to
kentuckians
in
the
Kentucky
career
Senators,
as
well
as
the
Charles
McDowell
rehabilitation
center
and
the
Carl
Perkins
vocational
training.
Center
maintenance
pools
for
these
18
buildings
is
the
priority
of
the
education
and
labor
cabinet.
O
Finally,
Julie
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
General
that
you
may
have,
as
it
relates
to
ket's
six-year
plan
or,
if
you
have
specific
questions
regarding
the
funding
requests
for
the
rural
service,
access
and
reception
I.T
project,
which
will
help
improve
access
for
rural
areas
across
the
state.
That
concludes
our
presentation.
We're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
G
There
we
go.
Thank
you.
You
know
I'm
gonna
skip
past
the
maintenance
pools
understand
the
description.
I
wanted
you
to
maybe
to
expand
a
little
bit
on
your
rural
service
access
and
reception
project,
the
20
million
dollars
to
get
to
the
end
of
the
road
and
the
end
of
the
holler.
In
some
places,
around
Kentucky
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
what
that
requires.
R
Sure
well,
first,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
for
the
support
that
you
all
provide.
R
A
lot
of
people
have
to
depend
on
DirecTV
or
dish
to
be
able
to
get
television
where
they
live,
and
they
will
only
carry
one
KET
Channel
and
that
is
KT
or
HD
signal.
We've
tried
our
best
to
get
them
to
cover
all
four
stations
that
we
have.
We
have
four
channels
rather,
but
they're
they're,
just
not
going
to
do
it.
We've
brought
it
before
Congress
and
everything
else,
but
it's
just
the
KET
channel.
So
there's
a
desire
to
be
able
to
get
legislative
coverage.
R
Kentucky
Centric
programs
that
KET
carries,
but
they
can't
get
it
if
they're
receiving
their
television
via
satellite.
Most
cable
companies
do
carry
all
of
our
channels.
So
this
is
what
we're
trying
our
best
to
do
is
to
hear
the
desires
of
kentuckians
who
can't
get
k-e-t
and
desire
it.
So,
knowing
that
we
have
these
terrain
issues
and
some
of
the
places
like
you
just
mentioned
just
what
we
could
do
to
be
able
to
serve
everyone,
and
so
that's
what
this
plan
is
to
address
those
kentuckians
and
do
our
best
to
serve
them.
S
You
have
one
question
sure:
do
you
already
have
the
map
of
the
rural
areas
that
you
intend
to
service
so
that
you
could
kind
of
see
the
concentrated
areas
that
could
receive
the
most
service,
for
example,
with
maybe
less
resource
that
would
be
able
to
Branch
off?
Do
you
already
have
that
mapped
out
the.
R
You
know
it's
expensive
and
it's
challenging
and
we
want
to
make
sure
what
resources
we
do
receive,
that
they
would
be
for
the
most
people
served.
So
he
could
give
that
information
to
you
or
I
can
get
it
for
you
and
and
get
it
to
you.
A
The
question
regarding
the
vocational
rehab,
the
3.1
million
or
3.2
million
it
talks
in
here
about
the
that
the
the
current
system
is
14
years
old
and
it
does
not
meet
all
business
requirements.
Currently,
can
you
describe
what
are
some
of
the
business
requirements
or
how
many
critical
requirements
are
not
being
met?
What
platform
are
we
on?
What
are
we
talking
about.
P
So
the
current
system
is
more
of
a
homegrown
system
and
it
handles
all
the
case
management
for
all
of
our
OVR
blind
cases
and
that
that
system
has
just
become
Antiquated.
We
already
have
a
project.
That's
authorized
at
4.6
million
dollars
that
we're
currently
working
on
we've
procured
a
a
company
that
is
working
on
it.
This
specifically,
is
just
a
reauthorization
for
some
more
funding,
but
it
is
all
federal
funding
from
the
RSA.
They
provide
that
funding
to
us.
P
We've
we've
gotten
prior
approval
for
it,
so
we're
just
asking
for
the
authority
to
move
forward,
and
this
CMS
system
will
help
them
advance
to
handle
all
the
requirements.
The
RSA
requires
of
OVR
in
all
of
their
casework
for
their
counselors
and
to
provide
services,
and
so
it's
just
additional
funding
for
moving
that
project
forward.
So.
A
Q
A
A
T
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
John
Lyons
I'm,
deputy
secretary
of
the
engine
environment
cabinet.
T
T
Like
other
cabinets,
we
have
a
maintenance
pool
as
well.
This
mainly
goes
for
our
sites
like
Maxi,
Flats,
forestry
areas
and
nature
preserve
areas
we
often
have
to.
T
As
I
was
saying,
we
have
these
areas
that
we
have
to
maintain
roofs,
Trail
maintenance
and
other
items
that
we
that
we
have
every
year
as
far
as
our
state-owned
dam
repair.
That's
a
big!
That's
a
big
ticket
item,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
78
state-owned
dams
and
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
Clements
Lake
Dam.
T
That's
particularly
interesting
one
in
round
County
anybody
went
to
Morehead
State.
You
might
recognize
that
as
Eagle
Lake,
if
that
dam
was
to
fail,
it
would
inundate
the
campus
and
lots
of
parts
of
Moorhead
and
obviously
we
want
to
take
care
of
these
dams,
and
these
are
our
three
highest
priced
or
high
highest
priority
list
on
state-owned
down
repair.
T
On
slide,
four,
you
see
item
three.
It's
the
eight
hour
inspection
app,
it's
1.3
million
dollars.
We
have
248
inspectors
in
three
divisions
and
our
department,
environment,
detection,
air
quality,
waste
management
and
Division
of
Water.
They
typically
work
out
of
their
truck.
For
the
most
part.
This
would
help
them
be
much
more
efficient
in
doing
their
jobs
rather
than
having
to
go
back
to
the
Regional
Offices
and
do
paperwork.
T
This
is
something
we've
been
looking
at
for
several
years
now
and
we
can
hope
that
we
can
get
this
mobile
app,
so
we
can
help
them
be
more
efficient
in
the
field,
the
Wally
property.
This
is
very
similar
to
a
property
we
had
in
the
past
called
long
Lane.
It's
an
arsenic
site,
just
like
like
long
Lane
was
in
Montgomery
County.
T
As
you
can
see,
this
was
arsenic
that
was
stored
and
was
spilled.
These
are
always
health
related
Public,
Safety
matters
that
we
were
dealing
with
here.
So
it's
a
big
ticket
item.
It'll,
probably
just
get
the
basic
cleanup
on
the
front
end,
but
after
that
we
will
go
back
and
monitor
that
site
as
time
goes
on
to
make
sure
that
Public
Access
is
limited.
T
On
Slide
Five,
you
have
the
super
fun
cleanup.
You
can
see.
That's
just
two
million
dollars
the
liability
there
we
think
across
the
state,
and
it's
kind
of
a
guess-
is
anywhere
from
1.5
to
2
billion
dollars
for
over
a
thousand
identified
sites
potentially
identified
sites.
Simple
Sites
are
like
dry
cleaning
plating,
wire,
burning
areas,
batteries,
battery
recyclers
and
wood
treaters.
These
are
historic
sites
that
have
left
contamination
that
we
have
to.
T
You
know,
go
out
and
inspect,
make
sure
that
again
that
the
public
is
not
have
does
not
have
access
to
these
and
the
reason
we're
only
asking
for
two
million
dollars
is
because
we
really
don't
have
the
resources
to
administer
any
more
than
that.
That's
about
our
about
the
limits
of
our
bandwidth
and
being
able
to
clean
up
these
sites
on
an
annual
basis
item
six
is
unsafe.
T
Fire
Equipment,
you
may
be
asking
what
Fire
Equipment
does
energy
environment
can
have
it's
in
forestry,
obviously,
for
Wildfire
fighting
we've
had
some
particularly
bad
years
for
wildfires
in
the
last
five
or
six
years,
I
remember
when
I
came
back
to
state
government
in
2016.
2016
was
a
horrible
year.
This
has
replaced
dozers
and
transports.
Some
of
our
older
dozers
do
not
have
enclosed
cabs.
So
this
is
a
safety
issue
for
our
for
our
workers,
as
well
as
being
more
efficient
and
replacing
old
units.
T
Foreign
slide,
six
you'll
see
land
acquisition
and
maintenance.
This
is
a
new
ask.
This
is
for
the
Kentucky
Heritage
land
conservation
board.
They
have.
We
have
over
136
sites
and
67
counties.
T
The
reason
that
we're
asking
for
this
is
that
that
pool
of
money
has
diminished
by
about
80
cents,
80
percent
because
of
the
unmined
minerals
tax
depletion
over
the
years.
They
essentially
do
not
have
money
to
maintain
these
natural
areas
in
these
counties,
and
this
would
go
to
the
local
governments
to
help
maintain
those
areas
for
education
purposes,
for
recreation
purposes,
for
the
local
communities.
T
T
While
we,
you
may
be
familiar
with
the
bill
money
that
we
got
to
plug
orphan
Wells.
We
have
14
000,
plus
orphan
whales
in
the
state,
and
there
will
never
be
enough
money
to
obviously
plug
all
those
Wills,
even
though
to
date
I'm
proud
to
say
that
we
plugged
over
500
with
that
bill
money.
This
money
will
primarily
be
used
in
the
short
term
for
storage
tank
removal.
T
In
fact,
we
have
three
bid
packages
out
right
now
to
do
that
very
thing:
to
remove
these
some
six
to
ten
thousand
storage
tanks
that
are
sitting
out
there
on
these
tank
batteries
hidden
by
Woods,
maybe
in
plain
sight,
maybe
in
neighborhoods,
but
quite
often
they
can
be
a
a
health
hazard
or
or
actually
a
danger
to
the
public.
T
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
would
remember,
but
a
few
years
back,
a
couple
of
teenagers
were
killed
when
one
of
these
tank
batteries
exploded
in
Western
Kentucky,
not
sure
what
they
were
doing
around
the
tank
battery,
but
it
was
a
horrible
accident
and
this
is
the
reason
we
need
to
clean
these
up
slide.
Eight,
we
have
an
item
for
the
John
P
Rhodey
Nursery
in
Western
Kentucky.
We
have
two
forced
nurseries
in
the
State,
the
other
one
in
Morgan
County.
T
This
would
add
the
a
chiller
to
the
site
to
chill
seedlings
as
they're
pulled
from
the
ground.
It
gives
them
longer
life
and
make
sure
that
we
get
the
seedlings
to
those
that
purchase
them
in
good
health.
We
already
have
a
chiller
at
the
Morgan
County
site,
and
this
will
just
bring
this
site
up
to
par
with
that
one
and
then
finally,
we
have
the
emergency
response
mobile
command
unit.
Unfortunately,
as
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
use
of
the
current
unit
that
we
have
in
the
past
year
and
a
half.
T
What
we
have
now
is
is
basically
a
converted
livestock
trailer,
it's
heavy,
it's
outdated.
It
needs
upgrading,
and
this
unit
here
would
help
us
for
our
ERT
staff,
when
they're
on
site
to
have
that
mobile
command
post
to
have
the
communications
and
the
workspace
to
stay
on
site
without
leaving,
as
you
know,
it's
hard
to
deploy
from
Frankfurt
to
Western,
Kentucky
or
Eastern
Kentucky.
But
this
is
a.
This
would
be
a
pool
unit
that
we
would
tow
to
the
site
and
use
as
a
command
post
and
with
that
Madam
chair,
we'll
take
any
questions.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
secretary,
Lyons,
Corey,
state-owned
and
repair
I
mean
in
this
particular
request.
You've
got,
you
know
very
specific,
those
three
dams.
You
know
in
the
locations.
They
are
you
know
at
times,
and
we
know
they're
high
Hazard
because
of
the
not
because
they're
structurally
deficient,
necessarily
because
of
the
impact,
as
you
said,
of
the
flooding
and
damage
if
they
were
to
fail.
So
give
you
a
sense
of
you
know
the
my
so
you
come
up
with
these
proposals
because
of
the
monitoring
that
you
do
of
the
structural.
G
T
Yes,
and
you
know,
we've
had
some
very
expensive
ones.
As
you
may
recall,
we
do
annual
inspections
on
these
and
most
times
it's
the
emergency
spillways
that
that
are
failing,
I've
actually
been
to
the
Genoa
Lake
Dam.
It's
it's
on
our
one
of
our
State
Forest
and
witness
the
the
crumbling
of
the
concrete
in
the
in
the
in
the
spillway,
which
is
then
causes
more
erosion
of
the
structure
of
the
dam
structure
itself
same
thing
with
Clements
Lake
Dam.
T
It's
it's
another
issue
there
and
those
dams
are
maintained
like
they're
supposed
to
be
by
the
the
entities
that
own
them
be
a
mowing
and
making
sure
there's
no
animal
Burrows.
So
these
are
structural
issues
in
all
cases
and
for
State
up
for
a
dam
of
considerable
size.
It's
a
considerable
price
tag
to
to
fix
them
and
maintain
them.
A
Okay,
of
course,
I've
got
a
couple
so
for
the
Wiley
property
site.
In
your
notes
it
says
that
this
project
was
proposed
in
the
agent's
last
plan,
with
no
changes.
Okay,
can
you
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
that
and
since
we're
talking
about
75
percent,
pure
arsenic
was
stockpiled.
So
what's
the
risk
to
the
you
know
to
the
environment
into
humans.
T
Well,
unlike
and
I'm
in
Madam,
chair
you'll,
have
to
excuse
me,
I'm
not
intimately
familiar
with
the
particular
property.
Corey
may
have
more
detail
than
I
do,
but
in
the
case
of
the
long
Lane
property
that
I
mentioned
it
had
a
low-income
housing
around
it,
and
actually
it
was
in
people's
yards.
In
that
case,
here
it's
more
contained
is
my
understanding
in
the
structure
that
used
to
be
there
in
the
barn.
T
I,
don't
know
the
the
actual
access
for
that
site.
We
can
certainly
find
that
out.
U
U
Just
how
they
came
up
with
the
the
estimates
was
based
on
what
they
thought:
the
removal
cost
and
the
disposal
cost
now
and
I
think
they
went
back
and
looked
at
what
they
did
last
time
and
I
think
some
things
changed
not
exactly
sure.
Why?
Because
we
asked
that
too,
when
we
got
that
from
them,
because
they
didn't
really
change
the
estimate
cost
so
I
think
they
might
have
had
a
little
extra
built
in
last
time,
but
this
was
more
of
a
detailed
review
of
what
they
have
going
on
now.
Gotcha.
A
So
is
this
property?
Is
it
fenced
off,
you
know,
is,
can
can
people
like
Cisco?
Can
children
access
it
and
then
is
also
this
actually
seeping
into
the
water
system?
You
know,
so
you
know
that's
what
that's
why
I'm
asking
as
far
as
like?
What's
the
what's
the
risk
to
the
environment
and
to
obviously
humans
well,.
T
It's
mainly
soil
contamination,
sure
I,
guess,
if
left
to
the
elements,
it
could
certainly
get
into
nearby
streams
or
drainages
I'm,
not
I.
T
T
And
that
was
the
same
way
with
long
Lane
it
we
cleaned
up
just
a
major
area,
and
that
was
eight
plus
billion
dollars,
as
I
recall
and
still
and
they're
still
they're
still
contamination
in
the
drainages
there
that
we
have
to
monitor
and
make
sure
nobody
has
access
to.
This
has
the
potential
to
be
the
same
type
of
situation.
Yeah.
A
T
A
water
supply
just
on
public
property,
it's
kind
of
tough
for
us
to
do
that
when
there's
no
responsible
party
in
this
case,
the
responsible
party,
is
long
gone.
V
T
That's
why
we
have
to
come
in
and
take
these
measures,
and
usually
you
know
if
we
can't
get
cooperation
from
the
landowner,
then
usually
we
can
because
they
can't
pay
for
it.
So
they
let
us
come
in
there
and
clean
that
up
again.
Madam
chair
I
would
have
to
check
on
what
kind
of
limited
access
that
we
can
effectuate,
given
that
we
don't
own
the
property
I'm
just
I
didn't
have
that
detail.
I
apologize.
U
But
until
we
get
the
funding
to
address
the
situation,
there's
nothing
really.
We
can
do
other
than
the
monitoring
at
this
point.
Okay,.
A
Going
to
the
John
Rhodey
Nursery
chilled
production
So
within
your
description.
You
also
talk
about
that.
There
was
that
you
bring
in
portable
units
for
chilling.
Let
me
find
my
notes.
Here,
a
refrigerated
trailer
has
been
leased
in
the
past
to
help
increase
the
seedling
storage
capacity.
Do
you
have
any
idea
how
much
that
expense
is
on
an
annual
basis.
A
T
The
the
problem
question
it's
over
the
years.
Obviously
this
would
pay
for
itself
having
to
lease
out
those
portable
Refrigeration
units
during
the
Harvest
Time.
So
and
again
we
do
have
one
at
the
Morgan
County
facility.
It's
a
rather
large
refrigerated,
Warehouse
I've
been
there
when
they're,
harvesting,
seedlings
and
they
bag
them
and
put
them
in
put
them
in
the
in
the
chill
area
until
they
can
ship
them.
A
All
right
yeah,
that
would
be
nice
if
you
could
provide
what
the,
how
what
the
length
of
time
that
refrigerator
that
you
know
the
portable
is
laced
and
what
the
cost
is.
And
that
would
like
to
your
point
that
would
help
us
understand
over
the
length
of
leasing
that
how
long
it
would
take
before
we
could
have
a
return
on
investment.
V
The
finance
cabinet,
of
course,
is
responsible
for
financial
and
facility
management
and
we
strive
to
enhance
efficiency
and
effectiveness
of
government
operations
and
maintain
Commonwealth
assets.
We
try
to
deliver
quality
services
and
we
have
several
proposed
projects
and
multiple
maintenance
pools
that
I'm
going
to
let
Miss
Howard
present
to
you
today.
So
thank
you
very
much.
W
W
Our
first,
our
rank
for
the
biennium
was
the
controller's
office
and
that's
for
the
emars
upgrade
and
system
enhancement
that
one
is
for
3.5
million
dollars
and
per
KRS
45
305.
The
financing,
the
finance
and
administration
cabinet
shall
install
a
unified
and
integrated
system
of
accounts
for
the
state
which
shall
comply
with
generally
accepted
accounting
principles.
W
W
W
W
W
W
Electronic
policy
acknowledgment
fund
I
mean
sorry
portal,
Justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
a
help
desk
monetization
Department
of
Revenue
excela
document
migration,
Personnel
cabinet
Kentucky,
human
resource
information
system,
which
that's
Chris
and
that's
to
use
across
across
the
Commonwealth
Kentucky
State
Office
Building
physical
security
monitoring
platform
upgrade
this
project
provided
to
this
project,
provided
funding
to
the
education
and
labor
cabinet
for
the
unemployment
insurance
system
upgrades
to
assist
with
increased
to
claims
during
the
pro
the
covid-19
pandemic.
W
W
W
The
next
I'm
going
to
proceed
with
is
facilities
and
support
services,
and
we
have
various
pools
that
are
within
the
facilities.
Budget
requests,
maintenance,
pool
of
15
million
These
funds
are
necessary
to
maintain
over
79
facilities
in
Frankfurt
and
Outland
counties
asphalt,
pools.
We
have
a
lot
of
parking
lots,
that's
all
I
have
to
say
in
order.
We
have
like
three
million
square
feet
of
parking
lot
that
we
must
maintain
roof
pools.
There
is
596
150
square
feet
of
roofing
that
these
funds
would
go
to
maintain
Central
lab
brief.
W
Eight
minutes,
eight,
eight
million
these
structures
require
extensive
rework
in
order
to
resolve
leaks
and
well
affected
the
majority
and
will
affect
the
majority
of
the
13
year
old
Ruth,
that
is
98
599
square
feet,
Transportation,
building
new
roof,
eight
million
dollars.
This
roof
is
past
warranty
and
currently
leaking
requiring
replacement
to
a
roof.
That
is
over
20
years.
W
The
CHR
renovation
construction
phase,
one
five
million
dollars
the
cabinet
for
human
resource
buildings,
need
major
repairs
and
upgrade
Commonwealth
energy
management
and
control
systems.
That's
two
million
dollars.
This
project
gives
Kentucky
a
more
Global
ability
to
monitor
measure
report
and
conserve
energy,
deferred,
maintenance,
historic
properties,
the
Old
State
Capitol,
the
governor's
mansion
Berry
Hill
Mansion
best
Lindsay,
House,
Frankfort,
Cemetery
State
lot,
and
the
new
state
capitol
complex
requires
various
repair
to
avoid
deterioration
and
we're
asking
five
million
dollars
for
those
maintenance
to
those
buildings
acquire
land,
demolish
structure
Statewide.
W
These
fundings
will
allow
the
purchase
of
unique
properties
throughout
the
state
mechanical
electrical
Plumbing
replacement
and
rebuild
10
million
dollars
several
buildings
that
facilities
and
support
services
manages
across
the
state
are
using
HVAC
electrical
and
plumbing
equipment
that
is
approaching
or
beyond
the
life
expectancy,
and
the
last
is
other
long-term
financing
that
is,
our
guaranteed
energy
performance
grants.
50
million
this.
The
the
facilities
and
support
services
will
use
project
funds
for
air,
various
energy
and
utility
saving
projects
in
the
state-owned
buildings.
Third-Party
financing
creates
a
budget
neutral
Improvement
throughout
utility
savings.
W
These
projects
will
be
financed
through
third-party
lease
purchasing
Finance,
which
are
funded
from
the
agency's
budget,
and
that
is
that
is
our
projects.
That's
a
brief
overview
of
all
of
our
projects,
that
is
in
our
six-year
Capital
plan,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
or
need
additional
information,
I
do
have
representatives
from
our
departments
that
will
be
able
to
address
those
today.
N
If
questions
on
three
different
projects
kind
of
just
blow
through
all
those,
the
first
item,
that
I
noticed
is
the
emars.
The
number
one
item
here
on
your
list.
N
Now
the
14
million
was
kind
of
a
late
change
because
we
started
a
few
months
prior
to
the
14
million
getting
approved.
It
was
like
a
9
million
dollar
project,
so
we've
already
kind
of
added
3.5
million
I
feel
like
and
now
I'm
or
more
than
that
and
now
I'm
seeing
another
3.5.
Is
there
a
change
in
the
scope
of
the
project,
or
is
this
getting
hosed
by
it
vendors
or
what's
going
on.
V
N
E
N
A
N
You
on
the
number
four
item
here:
electric
vehicle
charging
stations-
and
there
is
Senate
Bill
281
got
mentioned
here
so
I
had
to
look
that
up
because
I
don't
recall
anything
about
making
sure
we're
using
electric
vehicles
and
in
fact
that's
not
the
case
and
in
fact
doesn't
even
say
here-
that's
the
case
so
to
clarify
it
says:
alternative
fuels.
We
were
talking
about
ethanol.
So
what?
How
did
we
get
from
it?
Bill
about
ethanol
to
EV
stations.
W
Well,
they
will
they
will.
The
alternative
fuel
vehicles
is
a
part
of
that
bill
that
we
have
to
go,
but
I
have
John.
I
have
John.
H
John
R
the
executive
director
for
office
of
Fleet
Management,
yes
ma'am,
you
are
correct.
The
bill
is
dealing
with
alternative
fuels
and
relies
on
a
USC
code
as
well
as
another
Kentucky
code
for
the
definitions
of
alternative
fuels.
The
alternative
fuels
include
electric
vehicles,
hybrid
or
other
electric
vehicles,
the
problem
with
the
amendment.
It
actually
limits
our
alliance
on
ethanol
and
shifts
the
Reliance
towards
other
alternative
fuels,
which
also
include
fuel
cell
Vehicles,
biodiesel
and
some
additional
that
positive
definitions
of
alternative
fuels.
H
Unfortunately,
the
infrastructure
that's
available
here
in
Kentucky,
eliminate
most
of
those
and
leave
us
rarely
with
ethanol,
which
is
what
we've
traditionally
relied
on
to
say,
compliant
with
that
law.
The
the
core
law
and
now
shifting
this
as
industry,
has
shifting
us
anyhow
towards
electric
vehicles
and
that's
in
all
varieties
of
electric
vehicles
that
could
be
a
hybrid
plug-in,
hybrid
or
a
full
electric
vehicle.
H
H
Problem
with
at
E85
Vehicles
ethanol
Vehicles
is
they
will
burn
either
gasoline
or
ethanol
and
again,
infrastructure
is
an
issue
with
ethanol
being
able
to
access
ethanol
fuel
in
Kentucky.
There
are
stations
out
there,
but
there
are
fairly
widespread.
So
our
agencies,
our
drivers,
tend
to
put
gasoline
in
those
Vehicles.
So
if
I
increase
my
number
of
E85
vehicles,
I
can't
I
can't
comply
with
the
law
and
provide
a
commensurate
increase
in
ethanol
use.
N
So
perhaps
would
a
solution
be
to
not
have
to
have
this
capital
expenditure
to
just
repeal
our
amendment
of
that
law
that
we
passed
and
then
we
can
quit
this
conversation?
I.
H
Would
offer
that
industry
and
the
federal
government
are
pushing
us
towards
electric
vehicles
anyhow,
but
immediately?
Yes,
you
could
take
that
route
long
term
we're
still
going
to
be
unless
something
changes
in
industry
and
at
the
federal
level
we're
still
going
to
be
steered
towards
electric
vehicles.
Sure.
N
And
I
appreciate
that,
although
we're
also
steered
toward
not
having
enough
electricity
on
our
grid,
so
I'm
concerned
about
that
last
item-
Mrs
Madam,
chairman-
is
item
number
hold
on.
We've
got
a
lot
of
pages
here.
It's
not
an
item
number.
It's
the
50
million
dollar
guaranteed
Energy
savings,
Performance
Pool.
We
just
discussed
so
every
time
that
I
see
one
of
these
projects
when
I
do
the
ROI
calculations,
it's
very
basic
and
there's
really
not
an
Roi.
N
It's
for
the
good
of
the
cause,
we'd
like
to
have
less
energy
costs
over
time,
but
the
lifespan
of
the
project
versus
the
savings
it's
going
to
generate
is
pretty
much
an
even
wash.
Is
there
anything
that
you
can
add
to
my
understanding
other
than?
Hopefully,
every
project
comes
in
better
than
that
on
why
we
should
invest
50
million
dollars
up
front
to
be
able
to
get
ourselves
50
million
dollars
20
years
down
the
road.
It
just
seems
like
a
lot
of
effort.
Q
Sam
Ruth,
commissioner
facilities,
Energy
savings
performance
contracts
are
a
guarantee
from
a
third
party.
We
have,
they
do
a
study
of
a
building
and
say
we've
looked
at
the
building
and
here
are
ways
you
can
save
energy
if
you
replace
these
things,
make
these
changes
and
they're
on
the
hook
to
guarantee
those
savings.
So
if,
if
your
monthly
Energy
bill
is
a
hundred
dollars,
they
come
in
and
they
say
you
make
these
changes
and
we'll
reduce
your
energy
bill
to
80.
that
twenty
dollars
difference
is
used
to
repay
the
loan
for
those
energy
measures.
Q
So
lights
are
a
great
example.
You
went
from
fluorescent
lights
to
to
LEDs
and
that's
that's
an
energy
savings.
Q
The
cost
to
install
those
lights
is,
is
you
know
some
amount
of
money,
but
the
guarantee
from
this
third
party
is
that
those
lights
will
pay
for
themselves
within
the
span
of
the
project
and
so
you're
getting
them
for
no
additional
utility
cost.
Your
utility
cost
or
your
spend
is
still
that
hundred
dollars.
But
it's
at
twenty
dollars
that
you're
using
to
pay
for
the
lights
and.
N
So
I
do
understand
the
concept
of
the
project.
I
guess.
My
question
was
more
along
the
lines
of
when
Kentucky's
in
a
cash
flow
issue
state
and
it's
essentially
the
cost
of
light
bulbs
over
the
lifetime
of
the
building.
That's
going
to
be
usable,
a
lot
of
the
projects
I've
seen
is
going
to
be
the
20
and
we're
going
to
save
twenty
dollars.
So
it's
really
an
even
wash.
N
G
It's
not
a
bond
fund
expense,
it's
actually
just
the
approval
for
because
the
law
requires
no
matter
who
spends
the
money.
If
it's
a
capital
Improvement
to
a
cat
to
the
Commonwealth,
it
requires
to
be
a
capital
line
item
project,
and
so
we
have
agreed
with
the
legislature
over
the
years
to
put
a
value
there
associated
with
it.
But
really
it's
the
authorization
of
the
general
assembly
to
say
you
can
hosts.
Have
somebody
else
spend
your
money
on
this
project.
N
Okay,
that
that
does
help
me
because
I
was
saying
we
were
in
a
bond
pool,
but
it
still
brings
me
back
to
my
original
question,
which
is
well.
My
original
question
was:
are
we
in
a
cash
flow
situation
where
we
can
just
do
more
of
these
projects
all
the
time?
But
perhaps
the
real
question
needs
to
be.
What
have
we
been
in
the
past?
G
And
let
me
add
one
more
thing:
if
you
look
in
the
Appropriations
bill,
you
will
not
see
a
number
okay,
so
so
in
essence
the
50
million
shouldn't
even
be
on
here
because
we
authorize
someone
else
to
spend
the
money.
So
we
keep
it
so
because
the
general
assembly
is
not
appropriating
State
funds
in
this
instance,
but
it
is
a
capital
project.
And
so,
if
you
look
at
an
Appropriations
bill,
there's
no
there's
no
dollar
appropriation,
and
so
that's
why
I
call
it
an
authorization
and
so
50
million
could
be
40,
60
100,
it's
it's!
G
It's
an
open-ended
authorization.
If
those
projects
meet
the
test
of
guarantee,
then
they're,
then
the
general
assembly
is
permitting
it
to
happen,
so
so
I
would
suggest
in
the
future.
We
not
put
a
number
on
espc's
here
because
it
confuses.
You
know
that
it
appears
as
if
we're
going
to
be
spending
our
own
money
and
we
are
we
don't
we
spend
it
by
the
utility
bill
savings
that
goes
back
to
the
Esco.
N
S
S
Is
there
a
cost
comparison
to
the
actual
maintenance,
because,
obviously
that's
The
Upfront
cost
to
do
the
switch,
but
the
cost
comparence
comparison
to
actually
maintenance,
the
petroleum
vehicle
versus
an
electric
vehicle
could
be
substantially
different,
so
has
that
been
determined
costs
for
that
on
the
long
term?
That
would
be
my
first
question
and
the
second
one
is
on
number
12.
S
The
least
spaced
report
determined
it
needed
to
reduce
its
dependence
upon
privately
owned,
leased
space,
so
I'm,
assuming
that
is
where
there
are
already
buildings
or
spaces
utilized
for
State
business,
but
that
you
will
provide
necessary
funding
for
the
purchase
of
unique
properties
throughout
this.
The
state.
So
are
you
looking
at
only
property
that
already
has
a
state
space
or
are
I
mean?
How
are
you
defining
unique
properties
throughout
the
state?
Is
that
to
expand
into
other
properties
for
the
state
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
understand
that
one.
W
Okay,
because
John
R
can
answer
that
question
again.
H
Executive
director
for
Fleet,
the
I
believe
I,
understand
your
question,
but
please
forgive
me
if
I,
if
I
answer
somewhere
Askew
of
what
you
you
were
asking
to
so
the
maintenance
in
general,
the
industry
industry
believes
that
maintenance
on
certainly
full
electric
vehicles,
but
even
the
hybrid
versions,
will
be
less
than
maintenance
on
ice
or
petroleum-based
vehicles.
J
H
We
we
are
at
a
position
now,
beginning
of
your
question.
Talk
about
replacing
half
of
the
fleet,
we're
in
position
now
where
we
currently
are
about
half
a
roughly
alternative
fuels,
but
it's
very
heavily
reliant
on
85
Vehicles,
almost
entirely.
H
That's!
Unless
something
changes
in
industry
or
in
the
the
laws
that
we
are
trying
to
abide
with.
Then
that's
got
to
shift
over
time
and
it's
got
to
shift
towards
electric
vehicles
in
the
short
term,
we'll
be
able
to
continue
to
comply
with
what
I
call
the
50
rule
by.
G
H
S
Yes,
I
understand:
I'm,
not
an
electric
vehicle
person,
but
I
I
know
some
folks
that
have
this
and
it
definitely
is
not
cheaper
to
maintain
these
vehicles.
It
probably
has
less
moving
Parts,
but
it
also
has
probably
more
computer
and
technology
and
things
like
that
which
are
usually
higher
dollar
items.
So
that
was
my
question
for
that
one.
But
but
that's
fine,
then
number
12.,
okay,.
S
Q
Yeah,
this
is
same.
It's
same
money,
that's
put
in
every
every
time,
we're
not
actively
looking
for
land
to
purchase
to
to
finance.
This
is
acquisition
and
demolition.
So
it's
a
fund
that
we
can
use
as
something
comes
up
that
we
we
need
these
funds
for,
but
it's
we're
not
actively
looking
to
purchase
new
land.
K
Wheeler,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
guess
one
question
that
goes
along
with
my
colleague,
Senator
southworth's
question
and
a
couple
other
points
that
were
mentioned
here
today.
I
mean
you
know,
I've
done
some
research
into
the
electric
vehicles
too,
and
you
know
they
say
they're
going
to
be
less
maintenance,
but
you
know
the
battery
has
to
be
replaced
approximately
every
five
years.
Then
you
also
have
disposal
issues
with
some
of
the
toxic
components
and
things
like
that.
That
also
are
adding
cost
on
these
vehicles.
K
I
think
I
said
you
know.
If
somebody
told
me
the
main
long-term
cost
owning
a
Tesla
is
the
fact
that
I
think
every
five
years
you
got
to
spend
somewhere
around
twelve
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
a
new
battery,
because
you
know
the
charging
life
decreases
with
with
each
passing
year.
They
kind
of
Hope
technology,
eventually
catches
up
to
that
and
brings
it
down,
but
I
mean
how
much
so
is
this?
Basically
some
type
of
federal
compliance
issue
here
I
mean?
K
Is
this
Washington
essentially
telling
us
we
have
to
have
a
battery
Fleet
I
mean
I
know
a
few
of
us
are
hoping
that
you
know
I
think
there's
a
case
coming
up
at
the
Supreme
Court.
That's
currently
under
consideration
that
within
the
maybe
the
epa's
ability
to
kind
of
force,
some
of
these
things
down
our
throat
through
the
Chevron
principle,
but.
V
V
No
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
answer,
but
no
it's
it's
not
a
federal
compliance
issue.
It's
it's
I,
think
our
response
to
trying
to
look
to
the
Future
to
comply
with
how
we
think
that
we're
going
to
have
to
comply
with
Senate,
Bill
281.
K
Okay,
so
this
is
the
administration's
decision
to
replace
the
current
Fleet
of
combustion
vehicles
with
the
electric
vehicles.
Then.
H
So
the
the
core
law
45
off
of
625
and
Senate
Bill
281,
combined
to
steer
us
towards
what,
in
our
determination,
is
electric
vehicles.
It's
what
when
I
mentioned
the
federal
government
and
Industry
as
you're
aware
you're,
right
federal
government
has
incentivized
and
actually
by
executive
orders
requiring
manufacturers
to
shift
towards
manufacturing
more
manufacturing
of
electric
vehicles.
So
that's
what
the
marketplace
is
moving
towards.
H
One
is
that
by
a
certain
certain
date
in
the
original
bill
by
a
different
date
in
the
as
amended
by
281,
we
are
required
to
replace
half
of
the
fleet
at
least
50
of
the
fleet,
with
alternative
field
vehicles
and
then
there's
a
broad
definition
of
a
toronto-filled
vehicles
that
include,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
biodiesel,
hydrogen
fuel
cell
Vehicles,
the
different
varieties
of
electric
vehicles
in
E85,
I
am
probably
forgetting
one
or
two,
but
there's
a
variety
of
possible
in
Kentucky.
H
The
really
only
two
viable
electronic
fuel
options-
IL
natural
gas,
oh
by
the
way
for
a
passenger,
Fleet
or
electric
vehicles
or
E85,
and
both
bills-
were
actually
required
to
increase
and
I'll
apologize
to
remember,
which
way
it's
where
to
decrease
our
Reliance
petroleum
or
increase
our
Reliance
on
alternative
fuels.
The
net
outcome
is
the
same
in
the
amended
statute.
By
is.
H
Passed
this
year
we
have
to
show
a
commensurate
increase
in
the
fuel
for
any
increase
in
the
alternative
field
vehicles
that
that
we
purchased.
So
that
is
a
that
is
very
problematic
for
us,
because
I
can't
there's
no
way
for
me
to
to
police
that
to
enforce
that
with
our
drivers.
There's
just
I
can't
have
85
vehicles
in
the
fleet
if
they
can't
use
gasoline,
because
there's
not
enough
85
infrastructure
out
there
to
to
support
them.
H
I'm
I'm
happy
to
proceed
as
as
the
legislature
and
the
the
executive
branch
direct
me
in
terms
of
laws
but
I'm
trying
to
comply
with
the
laws
in
place.
Right
now,.
K
V
Damaged
roof
that
he
referenced.
Q
That's
right
the
the
current
building
whoever's
in
it.
It
will
need
a
new
roof
yeah,
so
we've
got
to
replace
that
roof
because
it's
misaged
and
it's
it's
leaking.
E
J
K
Q
Q
K
A
X
Thank
you
ma'am
first
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
come
before
the
capital
planning,
Advisory
Board
today
with
me,
or
we
brought
a
team
so
that
we
can
answer
all
the
questions
that
you
could
possibly
have
at
the
end
to
my
right
is
Rebecca
Norton.
She
is
our
finance
director
for
the
cabinet.
Roberto
McCann
has
her
assistant.
X
We
have
Randy
White
Deputy
Commissioner
of
the
Department
of
Corrections
Kevin
Rader,
who
is
the
assistant
director
of
the
finance
department
at
the
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training,
Colonel
Burnett
yeah,
commissioner
Burnett
from
the
Kentucky
State
Police
major
Bruce
button,
also
from
the
Kentucky
State
Police.
So
that
will
be
the
team
that
will
answer
questions
that
you
may
have.
X
My
name
is
Keith
Jackson
I'm,
the
deputy
secretary
of
justice
and
Public
Safety
and
good
afternoon
on
behalf
of
our
cabinet
and
our
secretary
Kerry
Harvey
I'd,
like
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
our
plan.
The
justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
is
comprised
of
six
departments:
the
Kentucky
State
Police,
Department
of
Justice
administration,
department
of
public
advocacy,
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training
and
the
Department
of
Corrections.
X
The
justice
and
Public
Safety
cabinet
plan
submission
includes
projects
from
the
Kentucky
State
Police
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice,
department
of
corrections
and
Department
of
Criminal
Justice
training.
The
size
and
scale
of
the
cabinet
is
vast,
with
over
900
physical
structures,
approximately
10
000
acres
and
locations
in
over
40
counties
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
X
Today,
I
want
to
briefly
discuss
our
top
priorities
as
a
cabinet.
Above
all
else,
we
continue
to
prioritize
the
safety
longevity
of
our
buildings,
and
this
requires
addressing
a
backlog
of
Maintenance
projects
that
have
accumulated
over
Decades
of
underfunded.
Maintenance
pools.
The
Justice
cabinet
is
unique
in
that
many
of
our
operations.
Our
facilities
operate
on
a
24
7
basis,
and
the
continued
operations
are
critical
for
Life
Safety.
X
These
24
7
facilities,
experience
more
daily,
wear
and
tear,
but
also
must
maintain,
must
remain
operational
at
all
times,
even
when
faced
with
a
leaking
roof
or
a
failing
HVAC
system.
Keeping
these
facilities
in
safe
working
order
requires
a
high
level
of
effort
from
our
staff,
who
are
tirelessly
work
tirelessly
to
to
provide
that
service.
X
The
available
funding
in
response
to
immediate
needs
and
in
anticipation
of
potential
system
failures.
These
factors
in
combination
with
the
cabinet's
large
fiscal
plant
and
aging
facilities
require
a
large
number
of
maintenance
pool
requests
which
cannot
be
delayed.
Any
further
inability
to
clear
the
maintenance
backlog
as
quickly
as
possible
results
in
more
extensive
requests.
Major
projects
and
other
major
projects
in
the
future
buildings
continue
to
deteriorate
while
demand
for
services
increase
and
delays
compound
and
complicate
the
issue
when
the
issues
need
to
be
fixed
for
the
Department
of
Corrections.
X
The
Kentucky
State
Police
has
requested
30.7
million
of
Maintenance
pool
funding
in
the
upcoming
biennium,
including
funds
for
critical
roof,
Replacements
and
security
and
fire
safety
improvements.
The
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
has
identified
5.9
million
in
maintenance
to
be
completed
over
the
next
biennium,
including
life
cycle,
repairs
to
Sewer
and
Water
Systems
HVAC
systems
and
roof
repairs.
X
Department
of
Correction
has
requested
funding
for
the
Eastern
Kentucky
facility
for
critical
repairs
to
the
facade
and
structure
estimated
at
77
million
dollars,
as
well
as
the
first
phase
of
a
necessary
HVAC
replacement
at
ekcc
projected
to
cost
80
million
dollars.
Also
in
the
Department
of
Corrections
request,
it
request
is
29
29
million
dollars
for
design
of
a
level
four
Prison
in
Eastern
Kentucky.
X
In
previous
years.
We
have
worked
to
replace
the
Reformatory.
We
now
must
excuse
me.
We
now
must
look
at
the
next
chapter
for
Doc,
which
is
requesting
29
29
million
dollars
for
design
of
a
new
facility,
as
we
recognize
that
there
must
be
a
conscious
effort
to
replace
the
aging
and
costly
Main
and
the
costliness
to
maintain
the
buildings,
as
well
as
as
well
as
strategically
locate
new
facilities
in
areas
where
we
can
recruit
and
retain
staff
in
the
future.
X
Rounding
out
the
priority
for
the
cabinet,
our
request
for
additional
and
necessary
funding
for
continuing
projects
to
ensure
that
the
Investments
made
in
the
previous
authorizations
are
fully
executed
through
complete
and
comprehensive
capital
projects.
This
includes
additional
funding
for
construction
of
KSP
post
7
in
Richmond.
X
The
Department
of
Juvenile
Justice
is
also
requested
phase
two
funding
for
the
renovation
of
the
Louisville
Detention
Center
to
follow
the
phase
one
construction
authorized
in
the
previous
session
beyond
the
cabinet's
most
most
critical
maintenance,
repairs,
maintenance,
repairs
and
replacement
projects
are
the
requests
for
new
and
improved
law
enforcement
law
enforcement
training
facility,
with
both
doc
JT
through
their
proposed
Western
Kentucky
training
facility,
as
well
as
a
proposed
indoor
firing
range
and
improvements
to
telecommunic
telecommunicator
technology
of
law
enforcement.
Statewide
I
mean
excuse
me
of
law
enforcement
and
equipment
for
KSP.
X
The
cabinet
is
striving
to
meet
the
the
needs
of
law
enforcement
Statewide
by
providing
expanded
training
opportunities
to
Public
Safety
employees.
This
will
ultimately
help
recruit
and
fill
critical
roles
with
qualified,
well-trained
individuals.
Access
to
training
locations
is
vital
for
maintaining
certifications
and
keeping
skills
up
to
date.
N
Southworth
I've
got
a
question
about
in
general
because
we're
talking
about
Forward
Thinking
a
little
bit
about
this
new
prison
and
that's
been
a
discussion
for
a
while
and
you've
got
the
little
Sandy
completion
of
the
expansion
there
and
things
and
excuse
me
one
of
the
Finance.
What
do
we
call
them
anyway?
The
the
fiscal
Note
local
impact?
Whatever
that
thing
is
the
criminal
unpack,
one
of
those
ones
that
I
had
on
a
bill
of
mine
last
year,
or
this
past
session
estimated
that
and
I
think
it
was
my
home
incarceration
bill.
N
We
would
save
a
couple
hundred
million
dollars
a
year
or
something
of
that
nature
and
the
general
gist
of
the
idea
that
I'm
getting
at
here
is
policy,
determines
pricing
and
of
all
these
prices
that
we
have
old
facilities.
We
got
to
figure
out
how
to
build
a
new
one.
N
Technical
violations
by
changing
the
definition
of
a
technical
violation
or
what
goes
into
prison
versus
what
goes
into
an
ankle,
bracelet
or
whatever
those
kind
of
things
are
going
to
seriously
shift
the
size
of
the
population,
that's
being
housed
at
these
places.
So
let's
say:
if
we
shifted
it
832,
we
wouldn't
need
the
832
new
beds
right
so
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
what
kind
of
R
and
D
group
is
in
the
doc.
Y
Thank
you
I
think
the
the
intent
of
studying
a
new
prison,
whether
it's
located
in
Eastern,
Kentucky
or
elsewhere,
ma'am,
is
that
none
of
our
prisons
are
over
40
years
old.
Several
of
our
prisons
are
approaching
100
years
old,
one
is
even
about
130
years
old
and
some
of
those
prisons.
Historically,
in
the
current
times,
we've
had
a
difficult
time,
Staffing
those
prisons,
so
it
may
be
more
economical
to
displace
those
vacancies
to
a
more
conducive
region
where
we
can
staff
the
prisons.
I
think
that
was
the
intent
of
studying
the
prison.
N
Oh
I
agree
that
was
the
intent
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
There
are
a
number
of
Prisons
with
issues.
So
if
we
build
a
new
one
in
Eastern
Kentucky
and
we've
got
three
more
in
Central
kentucky
that
need
to
go
somehow
at
me.
At
what
point
are
we
looking
at
the
trajectory
of
how
many
people
are
in
prison
and
is
that
the
right
answer,
or
should
we
have
policy
considerations?
We
should
be
looking
at
because
we
could
literally
strike
one
word
out
of
a
statute
and
make
your
all's
job
20
million
dollars
less.
Y
K
Yeah
I
was
looking
at
item
number
five,
where
it
talked
about
the
the
exterior
is
quickly
degraded
an
important
addition
to
the
material
selections
when
built.
You
know
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
the
same
issue
we
were
talking
about
earlier
with
the
central
lab
building
and
I
mean.
Maybe
there
is
a
statute
of
limitations
issue,
but
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
contractors
that
do
business
with
the
state
and
design
these
buildings
and
build
these
buildings.
K
The
ones
that
were
around
20
and
30
years
ago
are
still
doing
business
with
the
state,
and
it
would
seem
to
me
if
they've
made
poor
Selections
in
the
past
and
and
given
us
a
product,
that's
not
really
held
up
well
that.
Maybe
we
should
consider
that
when
we
give
these
folks
contracts
to
build
a
building
that
maybe
they
should
be
held
to
account
for
some
of
the
prior
failures
when
they're,
when,
when
we're
considering
whether
or
not
to
award
them
new
construction
contracts
for
the
state
foreign.
Y
To
the
ekcc
facade,
yes,
sir,
that
prison
is
approaching
about
30
years
of
age
and
when
the
building
was
originally
constructed,
the
doors
and
the
Wonder
firearms
and
the
walkways
and
the
gangways
were
constructed
of
coated
powder
coated
Steel
over
the
years
and-
and
you
know
due
to
the
climate,
those
materials
just
haven't-
held
up-
they've
deteriorated
they've
rusted.
Perhaps
it's
due
to
the
salt
that
spread.
You
know
in
some
areas
to
to
make
the
walkway
safer
during
the
ice
so
going
forward.
Y
We
have
identified
an
improvement
in
the
materials
and
we
actually
require
that
we
build
that
into
the
bidding
process.
We
want
to
proceed
in
new
construction
with
stainless
steel
or
at
least
at
a
minimum
aluminum
type
building
material
so
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
replacing
that
at
least
In
Our,
Lifetime
or
within
the
serviceable
lifetime
of
the
prison.
I.
Think
going
back
to
what
commissioner
Ruth
had
said.
It
may
be
beyond
the
statute
of
limitations,
but
it's
certainly
Something
That
We're
conscientious
of
we're,
proud
of
our
buildings.
Y
We
want
to
maintain
our
buildings
and
you
know
any
type
of
improvements.
Any
type
of
upgrades
or
Replacements
is
a
significant
challenge
for
our
operations,
because
we
have
to
consider
moving
inmates
around
offenders,
maybe
even
vacating
beds,
for
a
temporary
amount
of
time,
which
we
know
we
need
the
bed
space
so
we're
just
as
interested
as
anyone
and
going
forward
and
improving
upon
these
materials
and
requiring
doing
the
job
the
right
way.
The
first
time.
A
A
Gotcha,
okay,
so
we
don't
need
to
do
that
all
right
with
that
in
mind,
if
there
are
no
more
questions
or
comments,
then
our
next
meeting
date
is
scheduled
for
1
pm
to
be
held
in
this
conference,
room
169
on
Wednesday
June
14th,
and
will
include
a
report
from
the
Commonwealth
office
of
Technology,
where
they
will
review
their
IT
project
rankings
and
recommendations.
With
that
in
mind,
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.